2019 Rockwood Pop Up Manual Winch Install | Electric Winch Be Gone!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- If you remember, last summer while we were yard camping for a week, the electric winch started lifting our popup roof all on its own. It bent the winch mount, it ripped canvas from the roof... so to SAVE the week, I installed a local trailer winch which required a little cutting and a little welding, but it got the job done. Now that it's Spring and the camper is out of storage, I ordered a manual winch from Goshen Stamping Company. This is the install.
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Thank you for making this video! We just got the same camper and my winch system is giving me trouble already after 1 trip. Went to bed pretty stressed out last night, but seeing your video this morning just short-cut me to the solution. Manual winch here we come! :)
It’s the best! The way a popup camper should be ❤️💪 Thank you for the feedback! 🙏
Hi from Halifax, Nova Scotia! Thank you so much for posting this video. We have a 2012 Flagstaff Classic 425D that has an electric winch with no manual option as I broke off the very tiny manual screw bolt. After 9 years of camping, we haven't had any issues YET. I much prefer a manual option so I think that I'll go ahead with this modification. Happy camping!
Hello Nova Scotia :) So great to hear you've had good success with your camper. The manual option is sooo nice! You won't regret it. My best to you my friend! Thank you for the feedback.
Thank you so much I had no idea what to do once my electric winch the motor shaft snapped. I called Goshen and got the manual winch in a few says and had my camper back up and running much faster than the 3-6 weeks waiting for the motor and it works a lot better
Awesome 👏 thank you for the feedback 🙏
Excellent job Michael, and so satisfying I'm sure!!
Just had a tow hitch fitted to my Nissan Rogue, off to the Welsh coast on Saturday..can't wait!!!
Happy camping!!
Steve
Thank you! And happy camping! :)
Much respect sir. You just saved me a lot of time.
So glad it helped 🙏 I appreciate the feedback!
Thank YOU for all the video’s, already subscribed
The wife and I have been thinking of buying our first pop up and we already knew all the models that Rockwood makes. We are so thankful to have seen your video, oddly enough the first one I found was the water damage by the unsealed mess that Rockwood built, we were so Mortified by all the rust and damage your tear down was revealing. We were as well upset about all the rust you found under the axle on your new Rockwood and learned why it was so rusted. It’s was just so rude of the Sales person to not inform you of the plethora of rust under your Brand New Camper by Rockwood. Anyone interested in buying a used and or New pop up should watch your video on the water damage first and thank you for listening all the products used for your outstanding repair!
I like to think in the back of my head that I’m just as hand as you with the ability to do repairs but I’m not. Your video’s tho will definitely be referenced should I need to do any of the repair or preferred upgrades you’ve done. “Well done good Sir, well done.”
ps: Shame on you Rockwood builders and Quality Control Inspectors!
I appreciate that you took time to send feedback. I really did think I was saving myself a lot of repair work by buying new. I sure was surprised. And have learned that I’m not alone. The quality and service is very poor in this industry. But we do it for the memories. Certainly helps to be good with the tools! Happy hunting for yours. Praying you have a great experience 🙏
Thank you for sharing! I too have powerwinch that the motor went out halfway up and I sheared of the tiny manual bolt. Just got the winch will install today as soon as I figure out how to lower or block the roof in position. Thanks again from Tennessee!
Uhhhg! Sorry you too have to deal with it. I used long 2x4s to hold up the roof. Once I got the cable/winch reinstalled I was able to lower it back down. So much fun! Be careful and enjoy the peace and quiet of the manual winch :D God bless you 🙏
Yeah that’s my plan. I’ve tried to move the gears but no luck. I think once the bolts are loose it should take tension off the cable. Safety First!
@@jimwoods8957 I have two auto-style hydraulic jacks. I used them under the 2x4s to lift the roof. Be crazy careful. It is definitely an anxious activity.
Oh wow that worked out fantastic, I’ve always been worried about my winch going rogue on me when I first brought our pop up home. That silly electric switch that raises and lowers the top was always my concern especially with a nephew who likes to play with buttons. I put a keyed switch in place of the toggle and a heavy duty battery disconnect next to it. Redundancy with peace of mind.
That's perfect!! Very smart mods.
Thanks for the video. I have a 232ESP and the drive gear on the motor sheared off while raising it and the roof came crashing back down. Luckily I was at home getting ready to clean it after a trip and not away from home in the middle of the woods or something. During further inspection I noticed the pawl on the clutch was completely worn out. I bought this camper new just over a year ago. I ordered replacement parts for the winch but you have me thinking this is the way I need to go.
This is what made me go manual. The winch lifted the top by itself and caused a lot of damage. Scary stuff... just like yours breaking and the roof falling! So unsafe. ruclips.net/video/jvKrOAxnrI4/видео.html The manual winch is a complete luxury. No fear. Works so well. And best of all... it's so quiet :) You would not regret it.
Thanks for the video. I have reached out to Goshen looking to get a winch for my trailer. My electric is so loud and unnecessary.
Good thing you have video to see where all the bolts go! lol 14:25
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Love your videos. I have a 2019 Flagstaff mac 205 and I have to say your videos scare the shit out of me lol. I can only hope I never have the issues you have had so far. Your work is amazing tho.
Keep an eye on the wood! As long as it stays dry you're good :) Also, if you have an electric winch, consider having a on/off switch put in so you can disable it between raises. Thanks for the kind words!
FYI the crimper tool is done when its closed completely. You usually do 3 crimps per piece.
Thx for the video, I'm replacing my electric with a manual as well. I noticed you're cranking clockwise to raise, was the original electric winch counter clockwise to raise with the cable spooling underneath the pulley? I have a 1970 ESP and mine spools from the bottom but you have to go counter clockwise to raise it. 👍
I followed the instructions from the manual that came with the winch. The cable entry is usually opposite of the mountin gplate, so in this case with it mounted upside down, the cable feeds into the bottom and the direction of rotation is what the direction is :) Works wonderfully!
How did the make shift cable extension hold up? We cut our cable too short going to replace the winch and can't get a new cable for a few weeks.. hoping we can finagle an extension like you did.
I left it for the remainder of the year! It was still rock solid when I replaced it finally with a new cable. The only issue I had was when the clamps/fasteners passed thru the frame I had to pull the cable over slightly to clear. Not ideal but it worked to get us to our next camping trip. Even after I ordered and received the new cable I kept putting it off until this spring :) here’s the video of me installing the new cable ruclips.net/video/LQIQncry1T0/видео.html It was really easy and if you have the time to wait for the new cable to arrive I’d highly recommend it. The ferrule crimping tool alone was $50. And I have to admit the fix made me nervous every time I lifted the roof. I sleep better knowing there is a solid new cable installed 👍
I saw you had a Weight Distribution Hitch for the trailer; do you know which brand/model is it? I have a very similar camper (year 2013) and want to use a WDH but I haven't been able to find one that fits my trailer. Thanks.
This is the one I use! It’s perfect amzn.to/3P219Ht
Thanks for this video. We just replaced our electric winch with a manual winch just like this tutorial. We are having an issue when we lower. The handle slips off and doesn’t lower the roof. The nut comes undone. Any ideas? Thanks again.
The only thing I can think of ....is the mounting point of the trailer bracket has to be completely level (mine bent when my electric winch went crazy and I had to use a car jack and heavy hammer to bend it back into shape) or the chassis of the winch will flex and the gears wont align correctly.
What did you do about the relay and all the electrical connections that were part of the original winch?
The winch requires a positive and a negative power source. Two wires. The winch is self contained… all the electronics are onboard. Once you remove the winch you simply tape the two wires up and tuck them away with a zip tie. Super simple. If In the future you ever want to put the power winch back on, it’s plug and play simple.
How about when you let it down? Do you have to hold pressure on the handle to lower slowly? I have to install next week due to broken tension spring on link stop. New cost on winches I found are like $125 +.
It’s has a built in clutch. It’s effortless to lower :) and you can let go of the handle and it just stops. It’s wonderful compared to the $500 electric winch! It’s quiet. Easy to control. And won’t randomly fail and destroy your camper due to some mysterious electrical problem 👍
BEST UPGRADE I EVER DID! Do NOT miss the unreliable, troublesome electric winch AT ALL!
Wooohooo!! Congratulations 👏👏👏🙏
Thx so much for the video I just this morning ordered my winch from Goshen (2day shipping) we have a trip for memorial day weekend 😳
1 question, you only had to replace the wire cause you cut to short ?
Awesome news :) And yes! When I replaced the malfunctioning electric winch, I had to fix it the same day so I found a local winch for a utility trailer. It did not have a bolt clamp on it and the instructions said to weld the cable to itself so thats what I did. But once I welded it, it was ruined. Had to get a new cable when I got the new winch. You should be 100% fine with the existing cable.
Another question, what wires did you cut off of the electric motor and which wire connect to the 12v battery?
@@tamez76 If I recall, I didnt have to cut any wires. I just unplugged them. Super easy!
I have recently purchased the same camper. I have had some issues, but nothing compared to the problems you have experienced. Have you considered contacting your dealer, or better yet Rockwood.? It seems like most of these issues should be covered by the warranty. Rockwood customer service has been good to me so far.
Two things... the components are poor quality. On the second day of ownership when my sink faucet sprayed water into the air, I realized it was an unserviceable plastic faucet. Total junk. So I decided not to warranty it because they would just replace garbage with garbage. When my camper was towing sideways, it took weeks for them to look at it, then weeks for them to finally send it to a trailer frame straightening and alignment shop. In total with warranty work, we did not get to use our camper for 2 months after we bought it. So when the electric winch failed... the dealer said "too bad you are 1 month out of warranty and should have installed a shut off switch to kill power when not using the winch because these things do that".... as if it was common knowledge. They should have said that when I bought it. I have now heard from many others that they have suffered similar failures. Then the dealer kindly offered to send someone out to help me get my roof back down safely but it would cost me. I figured it out, no thank you Mr Dealer.
I see you have a minivan pulling the pup. Any recommendations or tips for pulling a popup with a minivan ?
Trans cooler!!! Trans fluid changes. Weight distribution hitch. Good tires. Best quality brake pads and calipers 😁👍
I have a 05 rockwood high wall with the same power winch. How hard is it to crank? And how long does it take to crank?
As long as everything is greased correctly its very easy to crank. Which is actually a true plus versus the electric winch. The electric winch will over power a poorly greased system and can start to damage parts. But you can feel the resistance with a manual winch. You'll know when it's time to grease things. And it cranks pretty quickly. Like any old popup I've used. Maybe 30 seconds?
unbelievable, I would not be in your mood if I had all Those problems on a new camper. the forums are full of horror stories of new campers made the last couple of years, I was going to buy new but we decided to wait for a good used one or until production slows down , but who knows if craftsmanship and quality control will ever return to what it once was
In recent years I can only assume that profit driven greed, low wages, no benefits, have created this situation. Not sure how it will change, if ever, but I’m seeing it everywhere in almost everything. Thankful for tools and some God given skills..... but mostly thankful for patience and peace that only comes from the Holy Spirit, cuz it sure isn’t in me naturally 👍 Thanks for the feedback! Hope you find a rock solid one :) look for evidence of weak or wiggly roof latches and inspect the wood for evidence of moisture. Also be aware of mildew/mold smell. It can be innocent damp canvas but it can also be deep seated wood rot. Prayers for your search!!
Hi Micheal....great video. would you have the manufacture and part number of the manual winch please and thank you.
Thank you! I called these guys and they gave me everything I needed: goshenstamping.com/lift-system
Where did you get the second replacement winch at?
I called these guys and they hooked me up! :) goshenstamping.com/lift-system
What size of winch did you use the 800 or 1200 lbs
They sent me the 800. It took a little bit more muscle than my old 1997 Starcraft. The 1200 would spin a little easier and take a little longer. So perhaps take into account who is lifting?
I have a 2015 Rockwood Freedom 1910 and my electric winch has been a source of ongoing issues and ended a vacation early this year after a failure. When you ordered your lift system, did everything come as a package or did you have to order each component separately? Where did you order yours from?
I ordered mine from goshenstamping.com/ I called them up and they asked what camper I had, they matched up the proper manual winch and they asked if I needed a handle. Yep! They tossed it in :) They know all this stuff very well and will make sure you have the right parts.
@@sstressfl Is your winch a right or left hand configuration? I am trying to get oriented with it... The bolt placement on your trailer is the same as mine (I also have a Rockwood).
@@allanmen I think its right hand side... I told them it was on the passenger side of the tow vehicle :)
Hi Michael. A quick question...like you, I replaced my electric winch with a manual one however my 12V trailer power doesn't work anymore. When connected, the 120V works fine. Did you have any issues like this when you disconnected your power winch?
No issues at all. Sounds like a very tired battery to me. You could test voltage!
@@sstressfl I'm thinking the same thing. I'll check that when we get home. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@sstressfl Found it. A burned out 20A fuse. All's well now. Glad I replaced that noisy electric winch. Thanks for the video tutorial.
@@michaelchiasson655 hey that is GREAT news!! Thanks for the feedback.
We're I can get all this supplies for this project please???
Hi Rosa! Call Goshen Stamping Company goshenstamping.com/lift-system
After your electric winch went crazy on you, did the manual override not work any more? I would have thought one could just unhook the battery and use the manual override at any time.
The winch no longer worked. It ripped teeth off of itself.
I want to do this to my starcraft where can I find the winch any help would be greatly appreciated
Sorry I missed your comment! I bought mine direct from goshenstamping.com/
Quick question, how do you lower it ? Just counter clock wise , does it click ?
Just turn the handle the other way. A clutch holds it in place. When you push the opposite direction it relaxes the clutch. If you let go of the handle the clutch grabs immediately. It’s very safe and very easy to use. Silent on the way down.
@@sstressfl perfect went up like a champ !!!! And yes lowering is a breeze too , thx man I appreciate you !!!
Do you have any videos on greasing the axels?
I do not, but I will be doing that before end of season :)
I’ve gone back and forth on if I should put in an another electric winch. The previous owner to my camper had it pulled out and put in a crappy hand crank - needs a drill.
Don’t feel like carrying a drill so this method seems to be the ticket! Just emailed the company about possibly getting this rig. What did it cost you?
I think they charged me around $130 with the handle. It was worth every penny. It's easy. It works great. And its QUIET! :D
What are the chances, I ordered thr same last Friday for my 2280BH
That is awesome :) lol you're going to like it.
Thanks for your videos I have the exact same camper you have and your videos have been very helpful. I have also had issues with my electric winch. What did your manual winch cost?
It was right at $100 delivered with the extra long handle. And its the 800lb unit.
@@sstressfl thanks for your reply. Looks like it fit well and works great. I’ll order the same one, do you remember the model number? I assume it worked great on your last camping trip? Thanks again
@@everettsoetenga8858 it works flawlessly. Just give these guys a call goshenstamping.com/ 👍 they make it easy!
@@sstressfl Thanks again for your help did you get the handle extension and the 9,10 or 12 inch handle? And did it clear your propane tanks?
@@everettsoetenga8858 they sent me the 9" handle and it clears everything except it gets very close to my Weight Dist Hitch clamps that are mounted on the camper frame rails. I slide the handle out about 1/2" and it clears just fine. If I knew I had a choice I would have picked the 12" handle to clear the clamps.
Hi Michael, I'm located in NH. I bought a 2019 forest river 1910esp in NY. The original motor had failed so they replaced it with one that sits horizontal and now the manual override can't be used because it sits too low. There's no way to get a socket or anything on it. I figured a manual winch is a easier and safer solution. However, there's no dealers that are willing to take me in. I see that you're in VT which isn't too far from me. If there's anyway that I can pay you to install a manual winch, I'd gladly appreciate it.
The manual is definitely the way to go! I just opened mine today :) and I’m sorry the dealers aren’t available. And I gotta admit I’m not comfortable working on other people campers. Have you thought about trying to install it yourself?
where did you find that handle .
I called the fine folks at goshen stamping 👍 goshenstamping.com/lift-system
Where did you buy the crank at?
I called goshenstamping.com/lift-system and they made sure I had all the right stuff for my specific camper.
Does this work with all pop ups with a power lift system?
If its a goshen system then most likely. You can call the people that know at goshenstamping.com/lift-system They will set you up with whatt you need.
@@sstressfl Thank you! I appreciate the reply
@@sstressfl I have a 2013 Palomino 4124 and can't seem to find much info on whether it's Goshen or Shelby
@@maryjuanarasta9220 call those goshen folks. They’ll be able to tell you. They know campers :)
Still doing research on what trailer to buy. If you had to get another one. Would it be this one or another one? Thanks
Wow thats a great question. Knowing everything I know now, I would buy this unit again. I would get rid of the winch and put in a manual winch. I'd seal the roof screw heads and corner pieces, roof fan and side moldings. I'd ask the dealer to verify the alignment (our trailer was towing sideways and they fixed it under warranty). And I'd look for RUST underneath before taking it home! And once home... I'd remember to stake down the awning when it was out AND make sure it was leaning down when it rained. I know this trailer so well now... and we have made amazing memories in this thing.... yeah, I'd buy this one.... but only if I could get a really good price. If I was single? I'd buy a corvette and stay in hotels and airbnbs LOL But seriously, I wouldnt trade this time for anything. I love the family the Lord has given me and thankful for this trailer and the experiences we've shared together.
So what would you pay for one now? How would you go about getting the price you want to make it a win win? For both parties you and them. Thanks
@@downhill615 We paid 11k for new in 2019. Obviously things have changed since then so you have to balance the need vs the price. And if the 2280 is the only one you want, the price will get harder to negotiate. Also inventory is a bit scarce. There are some things my wife and I want to do but we're waiting for things to level out a bit more. Perhaps, Lord willing, next year will look different.
@@sstressfl out here on the west coast. They want 15,000 or more.
@@downhill615 I’ve heard some out west say as high as 30k. 15k is at least close to msrp 👍 Again, balance against the need or desire 😀 When you have kids that are growing up fast, it can motivate you to pay a little extra. I hope you find a good one that is well built. Perhaps you could ask them to install a manual winch included in the purchase 🤗