You and Andrew de Leonardis(my patreon who requested me to do this) are the reasons this video exists so WOW THANKS ELLIOT! I'm curious though as to how you came across this so quickly :)
When I noticed that the snare actually hits one 16th note earlier every bar I dropped my jaw in awe. Thanks for making me appreciate this music even more.
Learning what's going on kind of adds to the magic for me. When you uncover something that sounds completely random to find the serious structure behind it, it's magical then too :D
I often feel it loses its weirdness once I break it down and learn it. But it does get replaced by a greater appreciation for the musicians who created it and my respect for those wizards increase :) So i'm with you on this one Robert!
You should check out the robotic groove in Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt by The Mars Volta (at 4:10). It sounds kind of random but you can actually write it all out in 4/4 (although 19/16 and 13/16 are easier to count in this example)
It's actually pretty rare for the musicians who write this kind of music to take the structure into consideration. The majority of the time, they write riffs and songs like these based solely on feel, and it's not until someone with a music theory/formal music education breaks it down does this structure appear!
@@spudzlightbeer It wouldn't surprise me if the writing process was completed without structurally breaking down what is being written, but I would guess that once it comes to explaining to the rest of the band how to play the riff they would need to break down the structure in order for it to be understood by the other band members.
When i learn a confusing part i actually have way more fun listening to it cause i can groove with it internally instead of being flustered the whole time.
Half the wonder of music for me is dissecting it and seeing how all the instruments fit in with on another. After I listen to a weird groove like this a few times my mind starts turning the whole thing into a grid. Easy enough with bands like tool and meshuggah, but car bomb is a different animal. Those modulations are tricky! I spent like a day literally trying to learn this, can’t believe this video exists. Keep it up man!
I love the way you analyzed / broke down the song! I think the analysis deepens my appreciation for the pattern, and it still sounds really bewildering despite now knowing what's actually happening, haha, to answer your question at the end!
In response to your question at the end of the video, for me once you break down and learn the muscle memory for a given part, it's like deciphering a new language. So the next time you listen your brain automatically deciphers this part and I would say you lose a lot of that initial 'weirdness'.
I lose a lot of it too that I sometimes wished I didn't. But then we also gained new found magic after being able to decipher it as evident from the comments here. Thanks for watching the video all the way to the end Lachlan and chiming in on the question!
Perfect video as always, thank you. As a guitarist, this is one I want to work on since it's mainly about wrapping my head around following the accents on cues the drums play. In a lot of these bands I don't have the physical speed necessary but the way you present this is definitely something I can follow :)
Yeah, Elliot's got triggers on every drum to send midi to the light board so he basically IS the light show. Sick af. He only uses the kick trigger for audio tho.
It adds to the uniqueness to know how complicated an approach can be, no matter how simple it might sound. This passage was surprising how the drummer chooses to play over that riff.
This video is great! Thank you! To your last question... I have experienced understanding the structure of track lessening the magic, and I have experienced it enhancing the magic of a song. When understanding the structure enhances the magic, you know it is a really great track!! Best examples... The middle section and near-end section of "Bleed" by Meshuggah is in 4/4 with a 27/16 polyrhythm over the top. Understanding this structure has only made me love this section even more! For me, the same probably goes for anything by Meshuggah. At some point around 14 years ago, I figured out the middle section of "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" by Mars Volta. It lost its magic a little after that, I think because it is supposed to sound random.
That's a great response, I actually just realised I feel the same way too. Sometimes it takes away the magic, and sometimes it strengthens it. Thanks for sharing Michael!
man you're fucking cool, been a prog guitarist/bassist for years but I really want to get into drumming and your channel is going to be an awesome source!
New Fan of this band. Good video! Would love to see your analysis of the breakdown in the middle of Dancers to a Discordant System. He is follows the guitar with the bass pedals and does triplets on the snare. Such a mind fuck.
Definitely less weird but that's moreso for harmonic modulations that I like I kind of wish I could go back in time and feel the same magic I used to feel when hearing them for the first time like on obsidian Gates debut record
Saw them tonight with Between The Buried And Me. They played Constant Sleep and I lost my shit at this part. I was almost angry that people around me weren’t as visibly geeking out about it as me lmao.
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Both bands are an absolute must see live if you love amazing drumming and cool time signature/polyrhythm stuff. Not to mention Elliot from Car Bomb was incredibly nice. I’m not sure where you’re based out of but hopefully you can see them sometime.
@ your comment at the end: I like it a lot to know what's going on. And yes, it feels kinda less weird, though I would have to really get into it to actually "feel" it. So in a sense, it makes my understanding better which I like a lot, but at the same time, it still feels really weird. Does it for you, too?
That's cool, it loses a lot of it's weirdness for me and I don't listen to it the same way as the first time. However a different magic replaces that weirdness, one of respect and appreciation for the wizards who created it. And I guess it frees up my mind to pay attention to other things such as the tones they use and the other details in the song :)
to the end question, it does lose a bit of that pure wig out 'wtffffff'ness but it varies whether it goes further to just feeling completely meh or it leads to an appreciation like 'i understand whats going on and its really put together in a clever way, thats a neat idea i can take'. my personal example of the latter is figuring out the first riff in 8 by uneven structure. its odd groupings of triplets that go over the bar line, and i can play it now, but when i first heard it, it was the most disorientating thing id ever heard (in a good way)
Good of you to point out that it differs from song to song. I guess the wtfness before and the appreciation after uncovering a song are key components to us liking it. WIthout either we wouldn't listen to it again and again I'm guessing. Thanks for the detailed reply and watching my video all the way to the end Nickpov3y!
Thank you for this vid! I've been listening to car bomb quite a lot, and this was one of the, if not the most confusing part to me. Now I at least kinda know whats going on xD
This part sounds like a Sleep Paralysis demon trying to seduce you. It's haunting, alluring, and commands all your attention when it hits. And the Production side of it is absolutely perfect. One of my favourite moments in music.
Great video! Loved it, great job! Could you maybe work on Leprous - Illuminate , for the next video? They work really well on syncopated rythms, i think you'll enjoy making a video about it, and i would certainly enjoy watching it! :D
Hey I only take requests from my Patreon community as a reward for their extra support. However thanks for the recommendation and for your positive comments :)
hey man. have you heard of panzerballett? the syncopation work on a lot of their tracks reminds me of this section. you might get a kick out of listening thanks as always for the great and thorough lesson
Hey man just an idea, but perhaps you could do a video or two about writing and your approach to creating drum parts! I personally would love to see it and I don't think I'm alone
Hmm that's a good idea Morris. I have a bunch of different videos coming up mainly about my approach to drumming and music. Although I must say I only dedicate requests to my Patreons. Thanks for the idea nevertheless :)
so this was during the dillinger escape plan's farewell tour at the variety playhouse in atlanta. they opened, and then after their set they were at their merch table so i walked over to them and chatted them up. we talked about their influences and whatnot, then i offered to buy them shots, so we did shots, and then the lead singer bought us a round too. lol i spent most of the time talking to them and missed most of dillinger's set.
Haha I guess hanging out with the band is more priceless than actually witnessing them live. And Elliot's definitely super nice, he shared this video on his own social networks and said really positive things.
It’s ironic I was just listening to them. And was wondering what the science was behind their interesting approach. I knew they used odd-meter and metric modulation. Sort of the way Virgil Donati does. I’m actually more impress with the precision and intention in their phrasing and use of odd meter and metric modulation. Sometimes I feel they could groove a little more. They have the angular disjointed thing down. But it would be nice if they had a smooth subtle odd-meter style that grooves. Where you don’t know you’re listening to complex beat structure and odd meter. The contrast of the two would be awesome. A sort of sweet and sour compliment.
The timing couldn't be more perfect then haha and I don't believe in coincidences. Your observation of their music is pretty accurate and they're definitely more angular and disjointed than the other bands' music that I've covered here. That's what I find unique about Car Bomb but of course everything is subject to preferences. Once again glad to see you around again Sean :)
Trying to focus more on the written aspects of drum grooves, so my question is you were referring to the notes written as 16th notes but eighth notes were being displayed on the screen. I was just wondering why you were referring to them as 16th notes. Also, how do you go about figuring out something is in 13/16 vs 13/8 or 13/4? Thanks in advance :)
Oh I was referring to the 16ths as the micro pulse 1:23. not the actual rhythm being played, the micro pulse being 15 16th notes which also gives us the time signature. I use this pulse to explain the rest of the note durations too, for example when I say two notes are 5 16th notes apart. Whether something is in 13/16, 13/8 or 13/4 is based on convenience really. For example if this were in 15/4 it would have to be played at 520BPM, and the bars would look really huge. So it's more manageable in 15/16, which would make it 130BPM. Also the musicians would be thinking in terms of convenience too, what's the easiest way to express what they just composed or played. But there are exceptions of course, and I don't really care if something is in 7/16 versus 7/8. I'm just going to interpret it in the best way for me to understand, teach, and play. Thank you for your wonderful questions :)
Chances are the guys in the band don't think about measures and numbers. Usually bands that play ridiculous stuff like this internalize it as longer 4/4 chunks
Pretty much every mosh pit i have seen or been a part of has been lame sauce for over a decade now. Ppl more interested in recordings vids on their phones then being involved with the shows
If that is true, it's sad. But Im sure there are those who are really into the shows and will experience it without their cell phones or cameras and you are one of those invidividuals :)
Thanks for making this video!!! Shared it around!
You and Andrew de Leonardis(my patreon who requested me to do this) are the reasons this video exists so WOW THANKS ELLIOT! I'm curious though as to how you came across this so quickly :)
Wei Lung Wong A buddy of mine sent me the link, I was like WTF! You totally nailed it!:-)
Pheww I'm glad I did, wouldn't want to be sharing the wrong thing to all these other musicians here hahaha. Cheers Elliot!
Thank you BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@elliotjhoffman How the fuck did you come up with this? Amazing album btw.
Carbomb is sick
Yeah absolutely! The way they play time is giving me lots of new ideas :)
When I noticed that the snare actually hits one 16th note earlier every bar I dropped my jaw in awe. Thanks for making me appreciate this music even more.
Learning what's going on kind of adds to the magic for me. When you uncover something that sounds completely random to find the serious structure behind it, it's magical then too :D
I often feel it loses its weirdness once I break it down and learn it. But it does get replaced by a greater appreciation for the musicians who created it and my respect for those wizards increase :) So i'm with you on this one Robert!
You should check out the robotic groove in Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt by The Mars Volta (at 4:10). It sounds kind of random but you can actually write it all out in 4/4 (although 19/16 and 13/16 are easier to count in this example)
I love that album! :D
It's actually pretty rare for the musicians who write this kind of music to take the structure into consideration. The majority of the time, they write riffs and songs like these based solely on feel, and it's not until someone with a music theory/formal music education breaks it down does this structure appear!
@@spudzlightbeer It wouldn't surprise me if the writing process was completed without structurally breaking down what is being written, but I would guess that once it comes to explaining to the rest of the band how to play the riff they would need to break down the structure in order for it to be understood by the other band members.
When i learn a confusing part i actually have way more fun listening to it cause i can groove with it internally instead of being flustered the whole time.
I never thought of it that way but you're right :) We get to enjoy it in a different light and be able to "groove" with it!
I'm not even a drummer and I love these videos
And I love that you as a non-drummer are watching these videos!
Same here. There's nothing like an explainer to add to the experience. Well done, Wei. And of course Elliott!
Learning a particularly weird part of a song always makes me enjoy listening to the song more
Elliot Hoffman is an absolute beast. Magic Bullet has some crazy good patterns.
Yeeaaaa elliot is a beast!
Half the wonder of music for me is dissecting it and seeing how all the instruments fit in with on another. After I listen to a weird groove like this a few times my mind starts turning the whole thing into a grid. Easy enough with bands like tool and meshuggah, but car bomb is a different animal. Those modulations are tricky! I spent like a day literally trying to learn this, can’t believe this video exists. Keep it up man!
A day is really fast! I think I needed 3 days to practice it right. Thanks for the compliments Tony!
I love the way you analyzed / broke down the song! I think the analysis deepens my appreciation for the pattern, and it still sounds really bewildering despite now knowing what's actually happening, haha, to answer your question at the end!
Hahaha, well that's good isn't it, if it still bewilders you, it still fascinates you :) Thanks for your compliments anyway!
This is the first time hearing this band. I love it. Great video.
I was at this very show one year ago, they were amazing!
I saw Car Bomb open for Dillinger Escape Plan during their final tour and they were freaking amazing.
Damn that's cool, I've never seen any of the bands that I talk about live. I'm sure they'll all be freaking amazing haha!
In response to your question at the end of the video, for me once you break down and learn the muscle memory for a given part, it's like deciphering a new language. So the next time you listen your brain automatically deciphers this part and I would say you lose a lot of that initial 'weirdness'.
I lose a lot of it too that I sometimes wished I didn't. But then we also gained new found magic after being able to decipher it as evident from the comments here. Thanks for watching the video all the way to the end Lachlan and chiming in on the question!
This video is great on so many different levels. AWESOME!
Thank you Andrew :)
Subscribed.
Absolutely mindblowing
THANK YOU!!!
15/16 at 80bpm is so funky omg i think that's inspired me.
Haha who would have known Ilija :)
that's it i'm subscribing
Welcome to my community Pierre!
Quality keeps getting better dude!
Keep up the hard work!
This is great, nice work.
Perfect video as always, thank you. As a guitarist, this is one I want to work on since it's mainly about wrapping my head around following the accents on cues the drums play. In a lot of these bands I don't have the physical speed necessary but the way you present this is definitely something I can follow :)
I too didn't have the speed necessary, just takes some time if you keep at it! Thanks for your compliment, really appreciate it!
You have probably made my entire year.
Whao I'd be honored if I did :)
Great work!!!
thanks!
Great video! Please do more Car Bomb analyses
I might :)
I suck so that drove me crazy! I love carbomb man. Great video!!!
I saw these guys with AAL and the lightshow at this part was SIIIICCCK
djent is totally a genre what!? AAL and Car Bomb!? Dream concert dude!!!
Yeah, Elliot's got triggers on every drum to send midi to the light board so he basically IS the light show. Sick af.
He only uses the kick trigger for audio tho.
Awesome! Have even more respect for carbomb.
It adds to the uniqueness to know how complicated an approach can be, no matter how simple it might sound. This passage was surprising how the drummer chooses to play over that riff.
Boy do I miss that live sound in a small club.. we have to open everything soon
Yes :(
Hearing it for the first time is like seeing a fast sports car...Learning it is like actually driving the car.
This video is great! Thank you!
To your last question... I have experienced understanding the structure of track lessening the magic, and I have experienced it enhancing the magic of a song. When understanding the structure enhances the magic, you know it is a really great track!!
Best examples...
The middle section and near-end section of "Bleed" by Meshuggah is in 4/4 with a 27/16 polyrhythm over the top. Understanding this structure has only made me love this section even more! For me, the same probably goes for anything by Meshuggah.
At some point around 14 years ago, I figured out the middle section of "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" by Mars Volta. It lost its magic a little after that, I think because it is supposed to sound random.
That's a great response, I actually just realised I feel the same way too. Sometimes it takes away the magic, and sometimes it strengthens it. Thanks for sharing Michael!
Amazing. Much appreciation
Glad you liked it! And thanks for the subscribe!
Good job breaking this down dude!
thank you!
great video dude, so instructive =) thanks a lot!
Glad you enjoyed it Mauro!
man you're fucking cool, been a prog guitarist/bassist for years but I really want to get into drumming and your channel is going to be an awesome source!
I think after I learn what is going on in a song, it makes it even cooler to me! An example for me is the 7/16 groove of Salt & Charcoal by Plini.
Hahaha cool! I get that too although the initial weirdness totally vanishes to be replaced by a different kind of magic.
Nice! Highly recommend their track Lights Out. Monstrous grooves throughout!
Oh yeah I heard that one after transcribing this section. Damn they're unique!
THIS BREAKDOWN IS GREAT! Wei Lung rules!
Thank you Germain!!
You should do the intro to The Art Of Dying by Gojira.
It's really easy actually, the pattern is:
1234 1234 1234 12 12 1234 1234 1234 12 12 12
And repeat. I usually use my kick as a backbeat.
That's a ridiculous pattern. And he plays it perfectly live
Loved this! Subbed
Nice work!
Thanks!
awesome content as always 👍
Thank you !!
New Fan of this band. Good video! Would love to see your analysis of the breakdown in the middle of Dancers to a Discordant System. He is follows the guitar with the bass pedals and does triplets on the snare. Such a mind fuck.
Great video, man.
I haven't even watched the video but YES and thank you
MY pleasure Jakob! I hope you've watched it and still think the same haha
Definitely less weird but that's moreso for harmonic modulations that I like
I kind of wish I could go back in time and feel the same magic I used to feel when hearing them for the first time like on obsidian Gates debut record
Saw them tonight with Between The Buried And Me. They played Constant Sleep and I lost my shit at this part. I was almost angry that people around me weren’t as visibly geeking out about it as me lmao.
🤣You know it. Must have been a blast!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Both bands are an absolute must see live if you love amazing drumming and cool time signature/polyrhythm stuff. Not to mention Elliot from Car Bomb was incredibly nice. I’m not sure where you’re based out of but hopefully you can see them sometime.
@ your comment at the end:
I like it a lot to know what's going on. And yes, it feels kinda less weird, though I would have to really get into it to actually "feel" it. So in a sense, it makes my understanding better which I like a lot, but at the same time, it still feels really weird.
Does it for you, too?
That's cool, it loses a lot of it's weirdness for me and I don't listen to it the same way as the first time. However a different magic replaces that weirdness, one of respect and appreciation for the wizards who created it. And I guess it frees up my mind to pay attention to other things such as the tones they use and the other details in the song :)
to the end question, it does lose a bit of that pure wig out 'wtffffff'ness but it varies whether it goes further to just feeling completely meh or it leads to an appreciation like 'i understand whats going on and its really put together in a clever way, thats a neat idea i can take'. my personal example of the latter is figuring out the first riff in 8 by uneven structure. its odd groupings of triplets that go over the bar line, and i can play it now, but when i first heard it, it was the most disorientating thing id ever heard (in a good way)
Good of you to point out that it differs from song to song. I guess the wtfness before and the appreciation after uncovering a song are key components to us liking it. WIthout either we wouldn't listen to it again and again I'm guessing. Thanks for the detailed reply and watching my video all the way to the end Nickpov3y!
Thank you for this vid! I've been listening to car bomb quite a lot, and this was one of the, if not the most confusing part to me. Now I at least kinda know whats going on xD
Glad to be of help :)
good one. thanks!
You're welcome Julian!
Ho yeah man thats really cool
This part sounds like a Sleep Paralysis demon trying to seduce you. It's haunting, alluring, and commands all your attention when it hits. And the Production side of it is absolutely perfect. One of my favourite moments in music.
Thanks for this! It still sound weird to me and I trip over the snare timing pretty frequently :) practise makes perfect though!
Yes careful and curious practice makes perfect. Thanks for watching and commenting Paul!
Even with your detailed explanation my brain resist to understand this
Hahahaha maybe a 2nd time will tear down the resistance
Great video! Loved it, great job! Could you maybe work on Leprous - Illuminate , for the next video? They work really well on syncopated rythms, i think you'll enjoy making a video about it, and i would certainly enjoy watching it! :D
Hey I only take requests from my Patreon community as a reward for their extra support. However thanks for the recommendation and for your positive comments :)
Do Spirit of Poison please
hey man. have you heard of panzerballett? the syncopation work on a lot of their tracks reminds me of this section. you might get a kick out of listening
thanks as always for the great and thorough lesson
Agree! Panzerballett deserves a video on this channel
I haven't heard of them but now I'm intrigued. I'll definitely check them out but no promises on a future lesson, thanks for the recommendation!
THEY ARE SICK !!!!!
thanks for the reply! no need to make a lesson or anything of the sort, wei. only thought you might enjoy their music. have a good one!
Might as well be speaking Latin. So impressive you can do this.
It's not really impressive. Much tougher stuff on car bomb that I cannot do at all hahaha, thanks though you're super kind
So cool, now I know how to still not be able to play it!
😂😂😂
Hey man just an idea, but perhaps you could do a video or two about writing and your approach to creating drum parts! I personally would love to see it and I don't think I'm alone
Hmm that's a good idea Morris. I have a bunch of different videos coming up mainly about my approach to drumming and music. Although I must say I only dedicate requests to my Patreons. Thanks for the idea nevertheless :)
I got to meet the band and we all did shots together. They are the nicest fucking dudes.
Wow how did that happen!
so this was during the dillinger escape plan's farewell tour at the variety playhouse in atlanta. they opened, and then after their set they were at their merch table so i walked over to them and chatted them up. we talked about their influences and whatnot, then i offered to buy them shots, so we did shots, and then the lead singer bought us a round too. lol i spent most of the time talking to them and missed most of dillinger's set.
Haha I guess hanging out with the band is more priceless than actually witnessing them live. And Elliot's definitely super nice, he shared this video on his own social networks and said really positive things.
Awesome vids and nice set is that Roland TD 11k or something better ?
Ah that's a TD30K, such a joy to play on. Thank you for checking out my videos Jim!
It’s ironic I was just listening to them. And was wondering what the science was behind their interesting approach.
I knew they used odd-meter and metric modulation. Sort of the way Virgil Donati does.
I’m actually more impress with the precision and intention in their phrasing and use of odd meter and metric modulation.
Sometimes I feel they could groove a little more. They have the angular disjointed thing down. But it would be nice if they had a smooth subtle odd-meter style that grooves. Where you don’t know you’re listening to complex beat structure and odd meter.
The contrast of the two would be awesome. A sort of sweet and sour compliment.
The timing couldn't be more perfect then haha and I don't believe in coincidences. Your observation of their music is pretty accurate and they're definitely more angular and disjointed than the other bands' music that I've covered here. That's what I find unique about Car Bomb but of course everything is subject to preferences.
Once again glad to see you around again Sean :)
Please do more car bomb videos
Trying to focus more on the written aspects of drum grooves, so my question is you were referring to the notes written as 16th notes but eighth notes were being displayed on the screen. I was just wondering why you were referring to them as 16th notes. Also, how do you go about figuring out something is in 13/16 vs 13/8 or 13/4? Thanks in advance :)
Oh I was referring to the 16ths as the micro pulse 1:23. not the actual rhythm being played, the micro pulse being 15 16th notes which also gives us the time signature. I use this pulse to explain the rest of the note durations too, for example when I say two notes are 5 16th notes apart.
Whether something is in 13/16, 13/8 or 13/4 is based on convenience really. For example if this were in 15/4 it would have to be played at 520BPM, and the bars would look really huge. So it's more manageable in 15/16, which would make it 130BPM. Also the musicians would be thinking in terms of convenience too, what's the easiest way to express what they just composed or played. But there are exceptions of course, and I don't really care if something is in 7/16 versus 7/8. I'm just going to interpret it in the best way for me to understand, teach, and play.
Thank you for your wonderful questions :)
you should do the weird hi hat pattern with a snare and bass pattern under it near the end of lateralus by tool
Hmmm I'll think about it Aidan thanks for giving me that idea! Although I must say I only take requests from my Patreons.
Wei Lung Wong I didn't know that. I'm tight on money right now, so I can't be a patron. Still love your content!!
No worries Aidan, I'm glad you like my content!
Put some socks on man....jk....awesome video....loved it...
😂 Thanks man!
Chances are the guys in the band don't think about measures and numbers. Usually bands that play ridiculous stuff like this internalize it as longer 4/4 chunks
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lol carbomb broke the software
Ummmmmmmmmmm what?
Translate in English
Thats one lame mosh pit
HAhahahahaha
Pretty much every mosh pit i have seen or been a part of has been lame sauce for over a decade now. Ppl more interested in recordings vids on their phones then being involved with the shows
If that is true, it's sad. But Im sure there are those who are really into the shows and will experience it without their cell phones or cameras and you are one of those invidividuals :)