Full switch upgrade for Thrustmaster Warthog throttle [OTTO, Eaton/Cutler-Hammer, Honewell, Mason]
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I've replaced all toggle switches, push buttons, hat switches and the TDC with mil-spec switches, including accurate locking switches, a functional mag switch and a force transducer for the TDC out of a real F15 throttle.
The backlight is hacked to be PWM controlled by the Arduino I use for the mag switch and both are synchronized with DCS using DCS-BIOS.
More info in the thread here: forums.eagle.r...
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What an absolute beast of an upgrade!
Short of the actual item from the Aircraft, that's got to be the highest Spec Warthog Throttle on the Planet !!!!! That's some dedication to having something perfect. You have my admiration.
This is switch heaven!
This is incredible. That mag switch is just amazing. I have so many sticks and throttles ranging from 20 dollars to almost 1000 dollars and honestly the buttons and switches on them all are almost universally cheapo. It's so dissapointing. I wish I had the brains to figure out how to replace some of them.
Check out some of the other threads where I posted the write up - and on hotasdiy reddit. People are making amazing upgrades on all sorts of flight gear. Mostly it's about just experimenting and learning as you go - and being willing to accept that you may brick the gear if you mess up ;)
There's a reason for that. I just checked the prices on the 5 switches shown in the first 26 seconds (2 position locking, 3 position locking, 2x push button and the magswitch) on Mouser, Skygeek and Octopart, and the total so far is about 1 072 USD for those five (the magswitch costing 851€ a pop over at mouser, though you can get them for only 792.66€ a piece if you order 10 or more!)
So that's more than the top end of your quote in just 5 switches... =)
EDIT: You can of course get by cheaper if you hunt for used parts on Ebay (like Dead Meat said in another comment reply, he paid like 100 USD for it second hand), but that's not really something a controller manufacturer can do.
@@jubuttib What did you expect for aviation mil-spec switches for $10MM real aircraft?
@@luisderivas6005 The comment was more as a response to "so many sticks and throttles ranging from 20 dollars to almost 1000 dollars and honestly the buttons and switches on them all are almost universally cheapo".
Yeah, mission critical switches will be expensive, and that's fine, but it also explains why you won't see top of the line aviation switches even in 1000 dollar sim controllers, the component costs alone make it prohibitive.
Just in case people are curious, that neato Honeywell 26ET61-T-F mag switch retails for about 750 ~ 1000 EUR.
Very nice switch, but sure is expensive :P
Yeah they're ridiculously expensive if you buy them new. Got mine used on EBay. You can find them at around USD 100 sometimes
You fucking kidding right?
Sounds like a loose marker niche with little competition.
@@Harlequin43 You're absolutely right - it is a specialty product for aerospace and other demanding applications. Honeywell is the sole mag switch supplier currently since OTTO dropped out, so prices follow I guess :)
@@deadmeat669 its possible to DIY them. check this out: ruclips.net/video/OCmDc2_VuGI/видео.html
Outstanding work sir! Very nicely done
Best update TM throttle I've seen!
you should have spent a little fortune on this upgrade ! the magnetically held switch and the radar cursor with transducers are the most valuable parts.
would be interesting to understand how you interfaced the transducer cursor. Indeed a neat and nice job! My hat off to you.
I have replaced the left side throttle switch that I use for landing gear, along with twice replacing the PCB. My joystick then broke a few years later and I ordered a new one
and installed it. I cannot get it to work. My PC does see it, but I have not been able to follow the instructions to get the firmware or joystick to work.
Now with the Apache out, I cant fly it for beans !!!
Great video and I subscribed
Clear Skies
Mike
well that sucks
Hell of an upgrade, great work
Oh, the backlight... Perfect!
Nice 😁👍. A lot of work there. 🤓
smarty pants, great video my dude i wish i could do that stuff the closest thing to that i have built is my trackir
I've a little question, where did you find the model used in the real aircraft, beacause I want to try do something similar for the F15E.
2nd, have you used and arduino board or you just need to replace the swtiches?
Nice video anyway!!!!
Toggle switch reference is from Deadman on ED forums. Grip switches (hats, buttons) is educated guess using OTTO equivalents (though sadly not full size T4 for the comms) and parttarget.com for verification.
Regarding boards I use a pro micro to run control the Mag switch and sync back lighting using DCS-BIOS. For a pure switch replacement no arduino would be necessary. For the force transducer there's a small I2C daughter board made by Damien from deltasimelectronics.com/ that replaces the stock sensor+board.
How did you do the wiring to the switches? Did you retain the original circuit boards or done something different?
Check out the build thread linked in description. It explains it in detail.
Basically I kept the main board and routed all the switches directly to it. I got rid of the daughter boards that had the original switches.
For the mag switch though I used a little MOSFET circuit to handle the 12V switching and an Arduino Pro Micro I placed inside the box.
How did you get those lights to react to the way you turned to lights on from the cockpit? 2:07
It is described in the forum post linked in the description - I have connected the backlight LEDs to an Arduino Pro Micro running DCS-BIOS which takes care of the syncing. Dimming is done with a PWM controlled MOSFET circuit.
I replaced the Slew control, but I think the pinkie switch is next on the list. Title should have been how to change your Warthog throttle from a $250 throttle to a $2000 throttle.
Nice job looks and sounds cool. I bet those switches feel a lot better.
How did you remove the speedbrake switch if I may ask? On the rest of the switches looks like there is a small lock screw or pin with which the plastic cap is fixed, but the speedbrake has a pair of side skirts in the way and I don't want to brute force it either.
Thanks. The speed brake cap needs to be wrestled out unfortunately.
The cap has ridges on the sides that run in grooves in the side skirts so you sort of have bend these very slightly to pop it off. It is not screwed or pinned onto the toggle switch itself like the others however. It is just held in place by the side skirts.
Very cool.
Can you do a video of how you modified the internal wiring and or replaced the TM PCB? Interested in doing something similar
I have added a new post with detailed pictures and description of the PCB modifications here: forums.eagle.ru/topic/272618-full-switch-upgrade-for-thrustmaster-warthog-throttle-otto-cutler-hammer-honeywell-mason/?tab=comments#comment-4682228
Hope it helps!
Awesome!
Hello, I have a real viper grip I purchased from someone and I was wondering about that gfx-aim software your using to test the transducer. Could you send me that somehow?
All that effort why not extend the throttle arms so they pivot lower (longer throw) and don’t wobble so much
Excellent suggestion. I would love to do that but I haven't found an easy way to fix the wobble. Extending the arms will only make the problem worse I'm afraid.. Could be easier to build a new panel box around a metal throttle mechanism from e.g. Winwing Orion or VPC/VKB and transplant the grips
Hi, thanks for the video, certainly an upgrade that I would consider for the future. Question, I received a replacement switch from TM to replace the broken autopilot switch that is located at the bottom of the throttle. From what I can see, I need to remove the 3 nuts attached to each of the 3 rocker switches located on the same part of the throttle. Do you have a tip on how I can remove these? I purchased an adjustable rocker switch nut removal tool but the gap between the nut and the recess containing the nut is too small.
Check out the thread linked in the description. I've posted some pictures of the process that may help you. For the switch nuts I simply jammed a cheap pair of needle nose pliers in there and twisted them off. It did scratch the throttle body a bit but it gets covered by the legend plate in the end so no harm done.. Also the pliers were never the same again :)
Does the t4-tcg3312 have a 5th input by pushing it in or is it strictly four way?
T4 is four-way. T5 would be the five-way.
I have been needing to change one of the push buttons on my throttle base that stopped working with an OTTO P1-71122 but can never find any of those buttons available anywhere..
Normally they're available on mouser.com but the current global supply issues are also affecting them so be prepared to wait until restocks..
Does the OTTO buttons need any special wiring or software to work? or do they plug and play with the existing wiring? The red button on my throttle has stopped working, so I was wondering if I could switch it out for one of those?
The OTTOs are just switches so they wire up just like the original with the exception of the MAG switch which requries special circuitry, power and software to work.. You may indeed be able to swap out your red button it could fix the problem. However if the problem is not inside the original button the problem will not go away. It could be short or a loose wire somewhere else in the throttle causing the problem..
Don't those magnetic switches cost thousands of dollars?
Yes if you buy them new. They pop up used on eBay for like USD 100
Maybe you can help me, one sensor (small chip, I think magnetic) at the base of the throttle (hotas warthog) is not working . Where do I find to buy, do you know? Thanks.
I'd ask thrustmaster support. Never seen anyone swap those for something other than original ones..
@@deadmeat669 I think board has problem, thank you @Dead Meat!
Were you able to remove the right grip boat and china switch hats without breaking them?
The hats are locked in place with a pin and can be removed easily. The switches are soldered to the little PCB however so they need to be desoldered or broken off. I did the latter ;)
Is there a way to swap the china and boat switches? I’d like to keep the actual china and boat external parts in the same spot but have the china and boat swapped for the F-15E module. So it will look the same as stock but the 2 internal parts will be swapped
Absolutely! They're just two different toggle switches but the cap is attached in the same way. They're soldered to a small PCB however so you need to go my route (full swap out) or desolder and resolder in the opposite position on the PCB.
@@deadmeat669 thank you for the info! do you have a trick to get the caps off the switches? I cant see a set screw the way i have em mounted now
@@travis8534 I believe it is just a pin through the side. You may have to (carefully) remove the speedbrake switch to really get at them
How did you get all the infos about switches?
There's a few sources really.. A guy on ED forums posted a switch reference supposedly from an A-model ground trainer he owns. You can also use cockpit photo reference, switch supplier datasheets and the dash 1 to get an approximate idea and then cross reference a NSN database like parttarget to find out..
I bet those switches worth more than the throttle itself.. lol
Yes, combined they're around 5-6x the cost of the stock Warthog throttle.
Need a parts list and cost... can't be cheap hahah
How can I get the force feedback with the lighting?
What do you mean? There's no force feedback on the throttle..
@@deadmeat669 I think he means the sync between the cockpit lighting and the throttle lighting
@@guillaumelalonde7945 aha well in that case there is description of that in the forum post linked in the description. All backlight LEDs are simply rewired to an Arduino running DCS-BIOS which takes care of synchronization with DCS. Intensity is PWM controlled via a simply logic level MOSFET circuit.
How do I purchase a tdc slew cursor
This'll get you close: deltasimelectronics.com/
200 BUCKS FOR A SWITCH WHAT THE
What is this throttle worth 5000 EUR?
Yes - though it was only EUR 1900 ;)