I would recommend buying the Miller special tool from a dealer or make one similar to it. The tool holds all the lifters in place as you slide the trough in and out of the CAM hole. Works great!
The usual content is great for information and seeing cool stuff but I think this is the content most of us can relate to and need more of. More of this 👍🏻
I wish they explained more of what they were doing and what comes in the kit as they installed it. It was nice to see the failure points of the original lifters and camshaft. It's surprising how fast those parts seem to fail in a new truck.
I have the wagler kit and I do not recommend. It’s not just the hydraulic portion causing issues the rolllers themselves have lack of oil and have problems as well. Just spend the extra money and get the Hamilton cams Tappet conversion promise you won’t regret it.
I'm by no means being a know it all....have you guys seen any of the info out there on the rotational issue with the stock lifter body due to the square keyway? The jesel lifters have a round keyway to fit the slot in the block...so the spacer only addresses the hydraulic part of the problem...the axle on the stock lifter when pushed to one side will stop the roller from rolling....this happens due to the keyway issue and the lifter rotating left and right.... Hamilton also offers a flat tappet conversion....
The stock hydraulic roller lifter is just a horrible design. It also has no needle bearings and the oiling hole is the smallest I’ve ever seen put on a lifter. One guy did a great video on the those stock lifters and even cut them open to expose the no needle bearing and even compared them to how poor they were made to other roller lifters. Making them a solid lifter with the same lifter is a big no no as some guys are already having problems with that. That $3k Hamilton kit looks good but the simple fix would be for someone just to design a damn good hydraulic roller! Like Cummins should have had in the first place! I’ve had 3 7.3 Powerstrokes with over 500k and guess how many hydraulic roller lifter failures? Zero!!!!! I don’t have too many miles on my 23 6.7 and I’m going to hold off and see if anyone comes up with a better design hydraulic roller lifter in the future.
@@thechestnutking736 im about 10k miles into my jesel solid roller lifter conversion and so far so good....this spring im going to have my cam bore scoped to see if there are any marks on my wagler cam like i had on the stocker....
@@billw8198 Hope it works out for you. As of right now if I had to choose a fix for myself I’d probably do the Hamilton kit but I’ll drive my new truck till the lifters go bad and fix it one way or the other. Despite that and the emissions those Cummins are still the best newer motor on the road.
Its pretty much all of them. PD Diesel got rid of all his 5th gens because of it. He seems to think its because of poor metals they used for a time. It happens around 100k.
@@LucasLeCompteMusic I thought PD Diesel said his 2019's made 300,000 miles with no cam issues. The 2022's were bad before or around 100,000 miles - bad metals
Oh ya. So priming the system doesn’t fill the lifter??? The soaking was an old school trick that’s no longer needed with today’s technology and oil pump primers that we can prime the whole system before start up. Soaking still doesn’t do shit if you don’t get the air out
@user-nf3oq2ge3g sorry but your going to spin that motor over with valve spring pressure applied those needles bearing will be dry not good not criticizing just stating facts . And I agree on a full blown dry sump motor I take the belt of mine and prime before starting every time
And no you don’t soak solid lifters. And you don’t have to soak hydraulic lifters either. Assembly lube. Then install. Then turn oil pump till you see all aerated oil come out of pushrods. I don’t have time to soak lifters. Let alone waste my time with soaking a solid lifter.
You are absolutely right, why would anyone waste a few minutes soaking lifters to ensure oil gets into the needle bearings inside the rollers. Complete waste of time.
@@precisiondiesel225I believe those roller lifters don’t have needle bearings. That design of those hydraulic roller lifters is just a bad design period. I’ve already heard that this conversation already to solid is already failing because of the design of that lifter. They need different lifters with needle bearings. There’s a guy on you tube that dissected these lifters and compared them to others, there junk period.
I would recommend buying the Miller special tool from a dealer or make one similar to it. The tool holds all the lifters in place as you slide the trough in and out of the CAM hole. Works great!
The usual content is great for information and seeing cool stuff but I think this is the content most of us can relate to and need more of. More of this 👍🏻
I wish they explained more of what they were doing and what comes in the kit as they installed it. It was nice to see the failure points of the original lifters and camshaft. It's surprising how fast those parts seem to fail in a new truck.
I have the wagler kit and I do not recommend. It’s not just the hydraulic portion causing issues the rolllers themselves have lack of oil and have problems as well. Just spend the extra money and get the Hamilton cams Tappet conversion promise you won’t regret it.
The commentary between those two is hilarious!
We need more of this duo!!
This was VERY ENTERTAINING 10/10 😅 thanks firepunk!! More please
3:33 My VP44 truck here's that andnis like "what the hell did I do to you guys?" Haha
Crazy that you took the cab off for that
that part about walmart is hilarious
If the rollers themselves are the part that fails how does removing the auto lash adjust plunger help cure the problem?
What's the benefit of going to a solid roller lifter if the roller is the part that fails?
Need this done on mine
How many miles on these engines?
I remember a RUclips “people of Walmart “. Song
The thumbnail ohhh shit that hurt
@gavin: did you gave to spend 16k on tickets, so that you could go to the lake in hopes of not getting dehydrated?
I'm by no means being a know it all....have you guys seen any of the info out there on the rotational issue with the stock lifter body due to the square keyway? The jesel lifters have a round keyway to fit the slot in the block...so the spacer only addresses the hydraulic part of the problem...the axle on the stock lifter when pushed to one side will stop the roller from rolling....this happens due to the keyway issue and the lifter rotating left and right.... Hamilton also offers a flat tappet conversion....
The stock hydraulic roller lifter is just a horrible design. It also has no needle bearings and the oiling hole is the smallest I’ve ever seen put on a lifter. One guy did a great video on the those stock lifters and even cut them open to expose the no needle bearing and even compared them to how poor they were made to other roller lifters. Making them a solid lifter with the same lifter is a big no no as some guys are already having problems with that. That $3k Hamilton kit looks good but the simple fix would be for someone just to design a damn good hydraulic roller! Like Cummins should have had in the first place! I’ve had 3 7.3 Powerstrokes with over 500k and guess how many hydraulic roller lifter failures? Zero!!!!! I don’t have too many miles on my 23 6.7 and I’m going to hold off and see if anyone comes up with a better design hydraulic roller lifter in the future.
@@thechestnutking736 im about 10k miles into my jesel solid roller lifter conversion and so far so good....this spring im going to have my cam bore scoped to see if there are any marks on my wagler cam like i had on the stocker....
@@billw8198 Hope it works out for you. As of right now if I had to choose a fix for myself I’d probably do the Hamilton kit but I’ll drive my new truck till the lifters go bad and fix it one way or the other. Despite that and the emissions those Cummins are still the best newer motor on the road.
what’s a going rate to get this done? started getting a ticking noise 46 k miles
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Where you guys located? Mine just started making a little tick sometimes at idle
Cracking me up 🤣
Just one more reason to buy a clean 4th gen
How common is this issue on the 5th gen trucks and is there anything you can do to prevent it before changing the lifters?
Its pretty much all of them. PD Diesel got rid of all his 5th gens because of it. He seems to think its because of poor metals they used for a time. It happens around 100k.
Can not be all of them. I know a few guys that work there trucks and have 600k on them and have done brakes, tires and ball joints.
happened to mine at 120k miles. however that truck has 6k idle hours 😂
@@LucasLeCompteMusic I thought PD Diesel said his 2019's made 300,000 miles with no cam issues. The 2022's were bad before or around 100,000 miles - bad metals
@@time7705 I think that is correct. I can't remember if he kept his 2019s or not. I think you are right though.
Can't this be done with engine in truck?
FYI don’t listen to idiots on RUclips telling fire punk how build a diesel motor, 😂
more of this
Why is the engine out lol
Did the 2016 6.7 cummins have solid or roller lifters?
Solid up to 2018. They made the switch in 19
there should be water in redbull lol... and cancer too lol
What oil do you recommend so that this doesn't happe? Anything else that can be done to avoid this?
Hot Shots Secret.
Walmart comments😂😂😂😂
Fyi, you should always soak lifters be fore install always
Oh ya. So priming the system doesn’t fill the lifter??? The soaking was an old school trick that’s no longer needed with today’s technology and oil pump primers that we can prime the whole system before start up. Soaking still doesn’t do shit if you don’t get the air out
@user-nf3oq2ge3g sorry but your going to spin that motor over with valve spring pressure applied those needles bearing will be dry not good not criticizing just stating facts . And I agree on a full blown dry sump motor I take the belt of mine and prime before starting every time
Solid lifter, ring a bell?
@robertpolkamp yes I have used thousands you still should pre oil / pre lube the needle bearings .
nope
This guy must of not know about PrOlUbE, ThE PrOof Is iN tHe PuDdInG 😂
Amazon for the win lol
Drink lots of water
And no you don’t soak solid lifters. And you don’t have to soak hydraulic lifters either. Assembly lube. Then install. Then turn oil pump till you see all aerated oil come out of pushrods. I don’t have time to soak lifters. Let alone waste my time with soaking a solid lifter.
You are absolutely right, why would anyone waste a few minutes soaking lifters to ensure oil gets into the needle bearings inside the rollers. Complete waste of time.
@@precisiondiesel225I believe those roller lifters don’t have needle bearings. That design of those hydraulic roller lifters is just a bad design period. I’ve already heard that this conversation already to solid is already failing because of the design of that lifter. They need different lifters with needle bearings. There’s a guy on you tube that dissected these lifters and compared them to others, there junk period.