TRAVEL VLOG IV Also we are less polite with those who are close to us and pretty polite with guests or someone we don't meet often and we have subtle variations for politeness. For example- Idhar Aana > Idhar aao > Idhar aa. less polite from left to right but all these mean same if you translate to english i.e Come here. Similarly for "you", it's aap > Tum > Tu. Also adding "ji" at the end makes it very polite. "Could you please come here?" will translate to "Kripya aap idhar aayein?" and no one will use that many words plus it sounds weird/funny to us.
In film Anand Sunita Sanyal asks Rajesh khanna. डॉक्टरसाहब हैं? जरा बुला देंगे? To which Rajesh khanna makes fun of that formality by saying जरा क्या, पुरा बुला देता हूँ.
In India family party means no alcohol but full of varieties of food.. where as Rich families will have alcohol in their parties but it is not Indian culture
How to say NO in india =ok *dekhte he(ok let's see) * 😂 when I need permission for something from my parents....MOM will say ask ur father if he ll say ok, then i hv no problem , DAD will say ask ur mother if she ll say, I hv no problem(and it can be continue for 30 mins to 3 days🕒).. And finally they both will end up saying nai(NO) with some massive explanations 😤😤😤😂😂
We are not dual personalities... If we want to laugh , we laugh . If wanna dance then we dance... No matters we know it or not... We do what our brains command us. We are same from inside and outside. We don't hide our mistakes... We perform our best. We are not dual... Love from India...
Ivana Indian families were always joint families... You lived at one huge home... Unless you moved to a different city your parents, Grand parents, your brothers all loved under one roof... In the last 3-4 generations this has changed... You will still see a lot of elderly live with their children n Grand children... This is very common... Keeping your parents in Old age home or retirement home is considered taboo.. I still have my grandmother who doesn't remember anyone or anything right now, still lives at our Home in our hometown taken care by a caretaker n relatives ...
In India our tone defines whether we are rude or not ,if I say "aao" (come)in a loud tone it's very disrespectful , we also use honorifics in our low tone for a respected person we say aayiye(come ) if I say kripeya aayiye (please come ) it will sound sarcastic and more taunting the key is low tone with right honorifics.
Since I started watching your videos.. I always wondered how your parents could let you go travel so freely..after seeing this and knowing that your family give you more space.. Helps me understand.. In a Mexican culture your not going anywhere alone lol half of your family goes with you lol 😁
TRAVEL VLOG IV I think your pretty brave traveling on your own.. Im sure it can be overwhelming at times.. But you have a lot of people supporting you.. 😊
di4ulatina 75, Mexican and Indians have so many similarities i found.. Like Mexican like spices, so Indians.. Also family values are also a bit same.. But just our population is only 10 times more than mexico 😓😓😓
Biswajit sahoo well.. Honestly I didn't really know much about Indian people until I started watching this RUclips channel.. So I am seeing the similarities.. 😊
Look at it this way, The first difference between cultures that you mentioned ( Joint family) is main reason for other two three point of cultural difference you mentioned. So its like when, you live with your cousins and grow up with them in same house, or your aunts/uncles behaving like your real parents then the space of formality or saying no is very thin. Infact, i dont know if you have noticed it yet or not, but in many indian families,a kid calls his biological father as papa and elder brother of his father as Badhe papa ( elder papa). Everyday for every damn little thing, when you are taking favors from your extended family, then formality becomes heavy and awkward. Similarly, becuz indians live in such well knitted families, they are taught not to say No to elders as it may hurt their feelings. If there is a badhe papa in the house, he has to be treated like one. By the time child grows and become an old man like me, it becomes a part of his habit. Once I asked my uncle to help me in finding job in this specific company, and when he obliged, i called him to say thanks for his efforts. You know what was his first response? he screamed at me- " you damn kids have learn english way too much these days. Why thank you?? what have i done? Am i an outsider?" So much so that i actually felt bad and guilty for saying thanks to him. instead of saying thank you, i ended up saying sorry to him all the time. Empathy is built in. Its hard for indians to say no for the same reason. Its our default mode. Do indians want private space? No. Even if they are away from their family where there is no one to interfere in their lives, they will seek some sorta intervention from neighbors/ friends or random strangers. Its not saying which culture is best or worse, its the just the ways things are:) Thats why wherever you go, people treat you like one of their own. Look at comments below from indians. You are already sis to some or close friend, as if they know u from ages:)
Please do more of these, this is fascinating for me, my friend from Australia applied for a job in India as he is like you he fallen in love this place, and the way that Indian company delayed and delayed and delayed the process, it's something only Indians can fathom. I really find it fascinating that dutch people can send you home if they are about to have dinner, this can lead big breakups amongst relationship in our culture. Thank you so much ivana, please keep posting videos I enjoy them very much and congratulations on your new home.
😊 yes there are huge differences between NL and India I (dutch) had many times misunderstandings and stressful moments with my Indian partner. It takes maaaaany explanations to clear situations 😁
Ivana is now only Indian.....mind it Dutch people 😃......never try 2 snatch Ivana from Indians.....she is one of the cutest & nice-hearted daughter of mother INDIA
Few years back I worked with British, American, Australian and Dutch clients.. and IMO Dutch people were very easy to work with because they were very straight forward. No drama, only work. I hardly saw any office politics. Everyone was genuinely concern about the work and when it is done they go home happily. Indians are the worst in this regard followed by Americans. Dutch people were very sincere and treated all people equally, be it manager or just a junior coder. And yeah it is true that they have some difficulties to say Wow!! ... American clients will give emails and chats about appreciating for the very little work you do but it was very hard to get even one appreciation letter from a dutch client. whatever you do, 'so what?' will be their response.
I live in Germany. I see here too much privacy. I see how people began the party and than tell the guest that the party is over. I see how friends sit together but pay for their bills separately which is common but than they don't even bother to ask you if you would like to have a bit from their lunchbox which is quiet weird. In India there is too much involvement of family which is bit too much. Like its normal in India for any stranger to ask about your Salary and if you are married or stuffs which they have nothing to do with. I do not know what pleasure they get after knowing about other people life. Here in Germany it is almost forbidden to ask such weird questions. One thing bad about Germany is that the restaurant here have certain time for Breakfast lunch and dinner and rest of the time they usually are either closed or they do not serve whereas almost every restaurant in India serves almost everything you wish starting from 8'clk morning upto 11'clk night. Many of the restaurants are even open 24*7, which is rare here in Germany because of employee rights.Germany is more organized and clean but people are mentally sick and society is closed. India is open society which too much unorganized crowd but people are happy. Crime rate in Germany is almost zero whereas crime rate in India is very high. Germany is a place of few millions whereas almost one third people of the world lives in India. Indian government figures about population is incorrect because since 90's Indian government is providing the same population figures. Indian democracy is the most flexible democracy in the world which have its pros and cons. Whereas democracy in Germany is quiet strict. Germany government do not allow working visa to asian to earn their livelyhood, nor even provide any minijob. But Germany charge foreigners too much deliberately, knowingly they have no source of income. Germans are however not racist. Germans are perhaps the first person in the entire world who are not racist at all and they are very civilized and disciplined. Indian are not racist but they prefer good features irrespective of color and they respect educated people. Indian are hardly disciplined. As you have told before that whenever an Indian give you a time, he won't even realize that he hve given you a time unless you won't ping him before and remind him. Working culture in public sector in India is the worst in the entire world. There is unnecessary complications and the pending work shows that there is no counselling of the officers on regular basis. Germans never allow any fault 2 wheeler or 4 wheeler on their roads whereas none of the Auto in India can ever pass German standards ever. India has no driving or parking rules whereas Germany have strict rules and government collects a huge sum of money by their automatic installed cameras which takes your photo whenever you cross any speed limit and send the bill in your home address as well as in your mail. Indian can offend you and they can be loud or sometimes over aggressive whereas such things are not allowed in Germany. In India you have Temple Church and mosque in the same street whereas in Germany not. Only Church can make sound on Sunday but others are forbidden. Germany collect Kirchensteuer (Church Tax) which than goes to vatican and so they send missionaries. Almost all first world country in the west does it. In India, no one helps Sanatan Dharam and it sustains on its own. In case of any Car accident, German call the insurance and police where in India they engage in fight and abuse. Unnecessary abuse have become a part of Indian society whereas abuse is forbidden in Germany. More of the Germans are taking interest in Sanskrit script whereas most of the Indian are taken away from their anchestral Sanskrit script. Many German are health conscious where as many Indian eat too much sweet and fried things. Many west civilized countries are turning Vegetarian whereas India is unnecessary promoting and using non vegetarian stuffs. MOnsanto is ban in Germany whereas Indian government promote monsanto to kill its population. German drink wine and they never fall whereas Indian drink harddrink like whiskey, rum, vodka etc upto a point they loose their control. Indian politics have many anti Indian elements are they ensure not to turn India into first world whereas Germany politics is committed in the well fair of its people and society.
AIPC, we are turning non vegetarian but we do not eat meat on a daily basis. Hardly twice a week. Yes the system is messed up but it will get rectified in its own pace. Sanskrit as a language is not much in use but the values taught to us by our forefathers ages ago is still passed on from generation to generation. Earlier, not all people knew how to read and write, so the system was to know things by heart, and for that the learning process was by learning from elders teachings and their experience, some by observation, some by listening to and asking the person who knows about it and the rest by doing it on your own and learning from that new experience. This works pretty well even without a formal education because its the natural way of how a child evolves over the time as it grows. Formal education adds just a bit of extra knowledge more to the general knowledge and common sense gained over the time.
Thanks for being honest. I am tired of hearing people praise India always because they know we are emotionally charged so any criticism might be rude .That was a neutral and a completely honest take.
Well I feel this cultural difference might be due to living standard also Netherlands is developed country so every person can buy things quite easily while in India we always find someone friend who is economically week so we always wanted to help him and other friends share money so that he can buy stuff. So this thing is due to economical condition also.
Agriculture,animal husbandry,trade,different occupations are roots of joint family,collective parenting is another concept,n its has got thousands of years of history in India
In India, politeness is determined by their tone firstly and not in the extra words that you use. Like most importantly "Idhar aao" (come here) in Hindi is already a polite way of saying, if you say "idhar aa" then that would be considered as rude. That is something you would use maybe with your friends and younger siblings but never with your colleagues or elderly. Also adding "ji" at the end makes it very polite. Unlike English, Hindi has certain phrases to address the actions and people with respect similar to Spanish maybe.
In India saying please and thank you is a formality you never show to people who are close to you. We don't give importance to saying 'Thank you' but to reciprocating the gratitude later on
As a Dutch person it would be so confusing for me "maybe tomorrow"... So you ask them the next day will the maybe tomorrow thing just go on until you give up? 😂 What if someone ACTUALLY wants to meet up the next day???
Hahahhah you can ask them again, it's no problem. Just don't get frustrated if the answer again is maybe tomorrow. Just do your own thing and if people want to join they'll join for sure
We Indians use words like idhar aoo normally and idhar aiye for politeness or for giving respect. So I think there is misunderstanding between styles of communicating in different cultures. Some hindi words can not be translated into English and vica versa 😊
i dnt knw about dutch people but for the indians its true....but if i take the face value i would agree that u r right about dutch culture ...we dnt say thank u, sorry or please coz v dnt consider people strangers we take them as a family soo thats y we dnt say thank u or please coz we believe that when we say these words it distance the bond between us
Even in india people actually don't like to live in joint family, but due to many reasons and situations people live with negotiating their will. Today joint familys r only in villages and it has become very rear in cities. In 70's and 80's it was a quite common even in cities, and in one family there were about 50 to 100 members.
Elena Welcome You are a good, sweet and honest narrator. Please also tell us about your religion in India and how comfortable are you with it? Please draw the difference here too
Its pretty wierd but after watching your videos I think I am more of a Dutch in my subconscious than an Indian! I actually have to make extra efforts to fit into the Indian culture, most people find me awkward to not do common Indian stuff! But I love the sunshine and spirituality over here :-)
Lol" could u plz come here"or something like that shows the frustration of a person in india... but on the other hand if some one ll say" come here" or "plz come here" .. It is okay😂😂😂😂
@@IvanaPerkovicOfficial yeah it's the truth of our country India 🇮🇳 😅😅 If we are using words like thank you and please to our friends or family it means we are frustrated with them and if we aren't using that then it is fine, normal, a kind of politeness and respect for us... 🤣 It's just opposite what you said about Dutch in the video.. We use these words(thanks, please, etc) to our close or loved one's when we are angry, frustrated or irritated on them... It's normal here.. I know you will think we are crazy 🤪 but yes it's a true fact we are crazy..😁
Home Tour + Home Details (Details = Price,You bought or Renting?..Whats your aim..like you'll stay here forever or,will change frequently....BASICALLLLY EVERTHING).... plz make a video of It.. Hope so I didn't get into your Privacy asking all these silly stuffs 😣 Sorry, in Advance!! FYI : "No" saying thing.. 1 Funny Indian example.. Friend : Hey, lets go to Goa Me : (Can't say no) Mummy won't agree!!
we use "idhar aao" (the rude one you were talking about ) for people our age or younger than us. "idhar aayiye" for people older than us. Both are the variations of "come here" but since the language is different and both fundamentally carry the same meaning, confuses people haha. Words can be translated, but the essence of it can only be conveyed when spoken in their native language. also, Hindi word for "please" is Kripeya. But nowadays it sounds sarcastic (well, it depends how you tone it, Kripeya in a soft tone is to be taken seriously. whereas, if said in a comical voice or a low tone is considered sarcastic. Also, notice the expressions of the person speaking. that will tell you what it means) much love to you Ivana :D
Well you are right. May be that's we are so forward in spiritual things as well as voilance. That why every Bollywood movies has songs on each and every moment because songs and poems are only things by which you can reach the height of emotions in less words, and I think this is all product of Indian species..
Historically people used to live in with their families in big houses in villages as they used to have 5-6 kids and they all used to function as a one big happy family. When cities started to rise in india these families moved to cities for better opportunities and they used the same concept of living in village in cities. But with time the size of family reduced as people had to travel long distances to reach their offices. So they started to live individually in u appartments because they cannot afford a house in big cities.
You explained it, I think even more accurately than an Indian could have. ...Indian families used to live under one roof, one huge family (trying to clear that doubt), which would have the head of the family - eldest member, spouse, brothers, sisters (unmarried), children, grandchildren. If you have heard of the term Hindu Undivided Family (H.U.F) or make a quick search, you'll get an idea of what I'm trying to say. Not just in Hindu family but almost all other dominant religions in India. Like Muslim, Sikh even Indian Christians. May be in the late 1960s or early '70s when people started to move to other places for jobs, basically cities / towns, this system of joint family started to dissolve. One of the major reason one could say was the rise in the cost of living. The concept of nuclear family started to crop up. Though even today one can find parents staying with their sons, daughter-in-laws in many places or as you said two or more brothers sharing the same space, 1)may be to share the expenses , 2) or to live as one family taking care of their parents. 3) or if the family is into a business...
Let me make a point about the politeness in Indian languages. There are always three levels of respect expressed in most of the Indian languages. In English, if u want to say something politely, you need to add many different words to that sentence to make it sound polite. But in Indian languages, we have diff words for diff levels of politeness. For example- English - Can you please take a seat over there? Hindi 1. Aap waha baithiye. (आप यहां बैठे) 2. Tum waha baitho. (तुम यहां बैठो) 3. Tu waha baith. (तू यहां बैठ) All these three levels translate in English to this - "You sit there". Which sounds rude. But let me break it down for you. 1. Aap (आप) is used to address either elderly people or to address a person with great respect. ( teacher, old person, boss ) 2. Tum (तुम) is to address someone with the same age or who is equal in some other aspect. (friend, colleague, wife, gf) 3. Tu (तू) is used to address someone when there is no obligation (a younger person, child, really close friend). Or you don't respect them (servant, someone u are in a fight with, etc). So there is no lack of respect. In fact, the Indian people address even toddlers with great respect using "aap (आप)". It's just that the English language is so short of proper words, that these things cannot be directly translated.
Our parents are roots of our life. We think that they have all the rights to decide everything for us. They have given us this life. That's why they have full control in our life. And More than words, it's the tone in which you talk matters for politeness here. Example, if I am talking to my elder or even any stranger or colleague, I will use "AAP" instead of "Tum" for YOU. And you are absolutely right 😂😂 We Indians are damn emotional in every aspect.. whether it's love, anger, pain etc, we love to express ourselves to the fullest. Loved Loved your Video ❤ Great to know so many interesting & amazing things about Dutch people.
If your wave length are connected with the person than you speak with less word's is because you are already welcomed at first glimpse, that is athithi devo bhava
Pro-tip for speaking Hindi- In English, sentence structure is generally Subject+Verb+Object. In Hindi, general structure is Subject+Object+Verb. With little vocabulary, you'll be able to form simple sentences.
I feel you are a bit off base on the number of words used in regards to politeness. Most Indian languages have many different forms for the same exact word which can be polite, rude or neutral. But if you translate it, it translates to just one form (usually the neutral one) Example :- "Baito, yahaan bait jaiyiye, beit yahaan" etc. In some of the other languages (especially more prevalent in the sanskrit based languages), there's a lot more forms than this. But sadly that gets lost in translation, especially when you translate it to lot simpler languages which puts more importance to the grammar rather than the words and form of the words themselves.
hey Ivana, Congratulations for your new home. When will we have a tour of your home ? Are you decorating it ? would like to know more ... Stay Blessed ... Arijit
Majority of Indians(specially elderly people) translate hindi to English before speaking as they only know some common words of English, so, like in hindi "come dear, please sit here" will be "aao beta idhar betho" it is very very polite but they translate the words directly and they will say "come sit sit"😄 and If you think about it they are just using some English words to make you understand and that's why it looks like they are not polite.😅
Once again very informative and lovely video. I thought you were going to stay in Mumbai ? 🤔 Anyways plz give us a house tour 😆 hope you enjoy your stay 🤗
Awww thank you! I talked more about my reasons for Bangalore in the recent Q&A video but i'll also address it in a vlog. I;m really loving my new home!
Indian s r warm with feelings unlike west , what is the difference between a stone or being alive, or difference between Ur own and others... atleast you have someone to share.. rather than being ALONE.
In india politeness is determined through the voice tone
Cool, I'll pay more attention to that! Happy to learn more about it
TRAVEL VLOG IV Also we are less polite with those who are close to us and pretty polite with guests or someone we don't meet often and we have subtle variations for politeness. For example- Idhar Aana > Idhar aao > Idhar aa. less polite from left to right but all these mean same if you translate to english i.e Come here. Similarly for "you", it's aap > Tum > Tu. Also adding "ji" at the end makes it very polite. "Could you please come here?" will translate to "Kripya aap idhar aayein?" and no one will use that many words plus it sounds weird/funny to us.
In film Anand Sunita Sanyal asks Rajesh khanna. डॉक्टरसाहब हैं? जरा बुला देंगे? To which Rajesh khanna makes fun of that formality by saying जरा क्या, पुरा बुला देता हूँ.
@@talklogictome9181 Idhar aayein. 😋
Yup..even there is a rude please and angry please and sarcastic please..and many more..its not much about words its more about emotions
In India family party means no alcohol but full of varieties of food.. where as
Rich families will have alcohol in their parties but it is not Indian culture
Yes. We are emotional. And that is the key reason for good bonding.
How to say NO in india =ok *dekhte he(ok let's see) * 😂
when I need permission for something from my parents....MOM will say ask ur father if he ll say ok, then i hv no problem , DAD will say ask ur mother if she ll say, I hv no problem(and it can be continue for 30 mins to 3 days🕒).. And finally they both will end up saying nai(NO) with some massive explanations 😤😤😤😂😂
Hahahahah awesome to learn more about this
TRAVEL VLOG IV thnk u🙏
Biswajit sahoo haha so true always happens to me 😂😂😂
In an interview they simply say We will let you know (You are not selected for the position) 😂
We are not dual personalities...
If we want to laugh , we laugh . If wanna dance then we dance... No matters we know it or not... We do what our brains command us. We are same from inside and outside. We don't hide our mistakes... We perform our best.
We are not dual... Love from India...
Ivana Indian families were always joint families... You lived at one huge home... Unless you moved to a different city your parents, Grand parents, your brothers all loved under one roof... In the last 3-4 generations this has changed... You will still see a lot of elderly live with their children n Grand children... This is very common... Keeping your parents in Old age home or retirement home is considered taboo.. I still have my grandmother who doesn't remember anyone or anything right now, still lives at our Home in our hometown taken care by a caretaker n relatives ...
Awww thank you for explaining and bless you for taking care of your grandmother🙌🏻
In India our tone defines whether we are rude or not ,if I say "aao" (come)in a loud tone it's very disrespectful , we also use honorifics in our low tone for a respected person we say aayiye(come ) if I say kripeya aayiye (please come ) it will sound sarcastic and more taunting the key is low tone with right honorifics.
Love is measured by the amount of food people can... In North if they add more ghee to your food that means the more they love you...😂😂😂😂
Rahul Singh hahaha.... in northeast you get best part of the meat
Totally realate
so accurate hahahaha
Since I started watching your videos.. I always wondered how your parents could let you go travel so freely..after seeing this and knowing that your family give you more space.. Helps me understand.. In a Mexican culture your not going anywhere alone lol half of your family goes with you lol 😁
Hahahha yeah I've heard that a lot from my Indian female friends too. Both options have their pros and cons. Would love to travel with familu too
TRAVEL VLOG IV I think your pretty brave traveling on your own.. Im sure it can be overwhelming at times.. But you have a lot of people supporting you.. 😊
di4ulatina 75, Mexican and Indians have so many similarities i found.. Like Mexican like spices, so Indians.. Also family values are also a bit same.. But just our population is only 10 times more than mexico 😓😓😓
Biswajit sahoo well.. Honestly I didn't really know much about Indian people until I started watching this RUclips channel.. So I am seeing the similarities.. 😊
Haha.. things are little same for Indian parents too..
Happy Mahashivratri to all!
Har Har Mahadev!
Look at it this way, The first difference between cultures that you mentioned ( Joint family) is main reason for other two three point of cultural difference you mentioned. So its like when, you live with your cousins and grow up with them in same house, or your aunts/uncles behaving like your real parents then the space of formality or saying no is very thin. Infact, i dont know if you have noticed it yet or not, but in many indian families,a kid calls his biological father as papa and elder brother of his father as Badhe papa ( elder papa). Everyday for every damn little thing, when you are taking favors from your extended family, then formality becomes heavy and awkward. Similarly, becuz indians live in such well knitted families, they are taught not to say No to elders as it may hurt their feelings. If there is a badhe papa in the house, he has to be treated like one. By the time child grows and become an old man like me, it becomes a part of his habit. Once I asked my uncle to help me in finding job in this specific company, and when he obliged, i called him to say thanks for his efforts. You know what was his first response? he screamed at me- " you damn kids have learn english way too much these days. Why thank you?? what have i done? Am i an outsider?" So much so that i actually felt bad and guilty for saying thanks to him. instead of saying thank you, i ended up saying sorry to him all the time. Empathy is built in. Its hard for indians to say no for the same reason. Its our default mode. Do indians want private space? No. Even if they are away from their family where there is no one to interfere in their lives, they will seek some sorta intervention from neighbors/ friends or random strangers. Its not saying which culture is best or worse, its the just the ways things are:) Thats why wherever you go, people treat you like one of their own. Look at comments below from indians. You are already sis to some or close friend, as if they know u from ages:)
Please do more of these, this is fascinating for me, my friend from Australia applied for a job in India as he is like you he fallen in love this place, and the way that Indian company delayed and delayed and delayed the process, it's something only Indians can fathom.
I really find it fascinating that dutch people can send you home if they are about to have dinner, this can lead big breakups amongst relationship in our culture.
Thank you so much ivana, please keep posting videos I enjoy them very much and congratulations on your new home.
😊 yes there are huge differences between NL and India
I (dutch) had many times misunderstandings and stressful moments with my Indian partner. It takes maaaaany explanations to clear situations 😁
Hahah I'm happy you guys worked on that!
Ivana is now only Indian.....mind it Dutch people 😃......never try 2 snatch Ivana from Indians.....she is one of the cutest & nice-hearted daughter of mother INDIA
_rajesh _ghosh vai jyada sakhti nai hogaya...!
Bhai rosogolla nahi hai wo..
If Rickshaw driver asks you to come without you asking for a ride, please be firm and say NO
Northeast is the richest culture in India...
From our ancestors just learned
They said that enjoy each every moment of your life because life is too small
Always love the way you analyse cultures, Ivana. Want more of this series.
Awww thank you!!!
We
Indian people dont know to say no or bye
We only know how to welcome, we connect emotionaly with everyone
Awwww
Make part 3 because it will help indians to understand dutch people and not get offended by them
Awww cool!
Few years back I worked with British, American, Australian and Dutch clients.. and IMO Dutch people were very easy to work with because they were very straight forward. No drama, only work. I hardly saw any office politics. Everyone was genuinely concern about the work and when it is done they go home happily. Indians are the worst in this regard followed by Americans. Dutch people were very sincere and treated all people equally, be it manager or just a junior coder. And yeah it is true that they have some difficulties to say Wow!! ... American clients will give emails and chats about appreciating for the very little work you do but it was very hard to get even one appreciation letter from a dutch client. whatever you do, 'so what?' will be their response.
I live in Germany. I see here too much privacy. I see how people began the party and than tell the guest that the party is over. I see how friends sit together but pay for their bills separately which is common but than they don't even bother to ask you if you would like to have a bit from their lunchbox which is quiet weird. In India there is too much involvement of family which is bit too much. Like its normal in India for any stranger to ask about your Salary and if you are married or stuffs which they have nothing to do with. I do not know what pleasure they get after knowing about other people life. Here in Germany it is almost forbidden to ask such weird questions. One thing bad about Germany is that the restaurant here have certain time for Breakfast lunch and dinner and rest of the time they usually are either closed or they do not serve whereas almost every restaurant in India serves almost everything you wish starting from 8'clk morning upto 11'clk night. Many of the restaurants are even open 24*7, which is rare here in Germany because of employee rights.Germany is more organized and clean but people are mentally sick and society is closed. India is open society which too much unorganized crowd but people are happy. Crime rate in Germany is almost zero whereas crime rate in India is very high. Germany is a place of few millions whereas almost one third people of the world lives in India. Indian government figures about population is incorrect because since 90's Indian government is providing the same population figures. Indian democracy is the most flexible democracy in the world which have its pros and cons. Whereas democracy in Germany is quiet strict. Germany government do not allow working visa to asian to earn their livelyhood, nor even provide any minijob. But Germany charge foreigners too much deliberately, knowingly they have no source of income. Germans are however not racist. Germans are perhaps the first person in the entire world who are not racist at all and they are very civilized and disciplined. Indian are not racist but they prefer good features irrespective of color and they respect educated people. Indian are hardly disciplined. As you have told before that whenever an Indian give you a time, he won't even realize that he hve given you a time unless you won't ping him before and remind him. Working culture in public sector in India is the worst in the entire world. There is unnecessary complications and the pending work shows that there is no counselling of the officers on regular basis. Germans never allow any fault 2 wheeler or 4 wheeler on their roads whereas none of the Auto in India can ever pass German standards ever. India has no driving or parking rules whereas Germany have strict rules and government collects a huge sum of money by their automatic installed cameras which takes your photo whenever you cross any speed limit and send the bill in your home address as well as in your mail. Indian can offend you and they can be loud or sometimes over aggressive whereas such things are not allowed in Germany. In India you have Temple Church and mosque in the same street whereas in Germany not. Only Church can make sound on Sunday but others are forbidden. Germany collect Kirchensteuer (Church Tax) which than goes to vatican and so they send missionaries. Almost all first world country in the west does it. In India, no one helps Sanatan Dharam and it sustains on its own. In case of any Car accident, German call the insurance and police where in India they engage in fight and abuse. Unnecessary abuse have become a part of Indian society whereas abuse is forbidden in Germany. More of the Germans are taking interest in Sanskrit script whereas most of the Indian are taken away from their anchestral Sanskrit script. Many German are health conscious where as many Indian eat too much sweet and fried things. Many west civilized countries are turning Vegetarian whereas India is unnecessary promoting and using non vegetarian stuffs. MOnsanto is ban in Germany whereas Indian government promote monsanto to kill its population. German drink wine and they never fall whereas Indian drink harddrink like whiskey, rum, vodka etc upto a point they loose their control. Indian politics have many anti Indian elements are they ensure not to turn India into first world whereas Germany politics is committed in the well fair of its people and society.
AIPC, we are turning non vegetarian but we do not eat meat on a daily basis. Hardly twice a week. Yes the system is messed up but it will get rectified in its own pace. Sanskrit as a language is not much in use but the values taught to us by our forefathers ages ago is still passed on from generation to generation. Earlier, not all people knew how to read and write, so the system was to know things by heart, and for that the learning process was by learning from elders teachings and their experience, some by observation, some by listening to and asking the person who knows about it and the rest by doing it on your own and learning from that new experience. This works pretty well even without a formal education because its the natural way of how a child evolves over the time as it grows. Formal education adds just a bit of extra knowledge more to the general knowledge and common sense gained over the time.
Thanks for being honest. I am tired of hearing people praise India always because they know we are emotionally charged so any criticism might be rude .That was a neutral and a completely honest take.
Take it easy man it's too much to read.
Indian government is providing right population...it was 1.021 bn its 1.213 bn in 2011 census....it is predicted that it will be 1.318 in 2021....
Well I feel this cultural difference might be due to living standard also Netherlands is developed country so every person can buy things quite easily while in India we always find someone friend who is economically week so we always wanted to help him and other friends share money so that he can buy stuff. So this thing is due to economical condition also.
This is something amazing to know. Thank you for making this video.
Would love to see more comparison videos :)
I wish I'd seen this before going to Netherlands. I was really shocked by the brutal honesty of the people there.
Welcome to the family ............we r happy to have u .
This truly feels like a blessing, thank you!
No problem invana stay happy and keep others happy bless u
Agriculture,animal husbandry,trade,different occupations are roots of joint family,collective parenting is another concept,n its has got thousands of years of history in India
I'm so thrilled you are living in bangalore... welcome to most happening, coolest and most cosmopolitan city in india. .
Yass more more more ;D love these vids. 'Jaaa wel aardig uitzicht'😂
Hahahah
5:38 Its because India 80% population is Hindu and we are told to help as many people you can
Its our Duty
karm hi puja hai
Emotions run in our blood..Bollywood effect Ivana. :D :D
Siddhish Pandey no daily soap effects
Or may be vice versa its due to to emotions in our culture make it reflected in Bollywood and daily soaps
Yup, I think this is more true haha. Bollywood reflects (an extreme) of Indian emotional nature
I think it is the other way around. Bollywood is influencing our way of expressing emotions.
I miss my Bhojpuri brothern from Surinam and Southern America
In India, politeness is determined by their tone firstly and not in the extra words that you use. Like most importantly "Idhar aao" (come here) in Hindi is already a polite way of saying, if you say "idhar aa" then that would be considered as rude. That is something you would use maybe with your friends and younger siblings but never with your colleagues or elderly. Also adding "ji" at the end makes it very polite. Unlike English, Hindi has certain phrases to address the actions and people with respect similar to Spanish maybe.
Happiness factor is real in Netherlands 🇳🇱! It’s a very happy country. Indians run high on emotions because of uncertainties.
True to a large extent.
😊 u r beautiful awesome lovely .. just like a true India girl ... U r born for India ... Your emotions just like us .. love u .. n god bless u sis ..
In India saying please and thank you is a formality you never show to people who are close to you.
We don't give importance to saying 'Thank you' but to reciprocating the gratitude later on
As a Dutch person it would be so confusing for me "maybe tomorrow"... So you ask them the next day will the maybe tomorrow thing just go on until you give up? 😂 What if someone ACTUALLY wants to meet up the next day???
Hahahhah you can ask them again, it's no problem. Just don't get frustrated if the answer again is maybe tomorrow. Just do your own thing and if people want to join they'll join for sure
Pakka = surely, but as used in sentence, it just mean "not just yet".
Ivana correct reply
We Indians use words like idhar aoo normally and idhar aiye for politeness or for giving respect. So I think there is misunderstanding between styles of communicating in different cultures. Some hindi words can not be translated into English and vica versa 😊
i dnt knw about dutch people but for the indians its true....but if i take the face value i would agree that u r right about dutch culture ...we dnt say thank u, sorry or please coz v dnt consider people strangers we take them as a family soo thats y we dnt say thank u or please coz we believe that when we say these words it distance the bond between us
Aggressive attitude has one good thing...
There is nothing retained in the heart as grievances...
Even in india people actually don't like to live in joint family, but due to many reasons and situations people live with negotiating their will. Today joint familys r only in villages and it has become very rear in cities. In 70's and 80's it was a quite common even in cities, and in one family there were about 50 to 100 members.
Arranged marriage is the best thing to happen in our lives...Coz if anything bad happns in future. We always blame our parents 🤣🤣🤣
Your parents ain't gonna pay the alimony, buddy.
@@ravik007ggn divorce rate is zero in India
@@ayushkumar-bg1xf sarcasm? Nah.
😂
😂😂😂true
Im from London, UK. I lived in Amsterdam. And Holland is more polite than London. BY FAR!
Elena Welcome You are a good, sweet and honest narrator. Please also tell us about your religion in India and how comfortable are you with it? Please draw the difference here too
Ivana* and what does her religion have to do with this?
Its pretty wierd but after watching your videos I think I am more of a Dutch in my subconscious than an Indian! I actually have to make extra efforts to fit into the Indian culture, most people find me awkward to not do common Indian stuff! But I love the sunshine and spirituality over here :-)
Lol" could u plz come here"or something like that shows the frustration of a person in india... but on the other hand if some one ll say" come here" or "plz come here" .. It is okay😂😂😂😂
Hahahah too funny, it's just the opposite
High culture shock 😂
@@IvanaPerkovicOfficial yeah it's the truth of our country India 🇮🇳 😅😅
If we are using words like thank you and please to our friends or family it means we are frustrated with them and if we aren't using that then it is fine, normal, a kind of politeness and respect for us... 🤣 It's just opposite what you said about Dutch in the video.. We use these words(thanks, please, etc) to our close or loved one's when we are angry, frustrated or irritated on them... It's normal here..
I know you will think we are crazy 🤪 but yes it's a true fact we are crazy..😁
Hehehe 😂😂😂😂 true btw are u odia
Ivana plzzzz do part 3😍...really enjoying these series 💗💙
Awww cool, makes me so happy to hear this!
9:08 That's a nice view ?
The best thing in India which an HR says after you have been interviewed ( we will let you know) and they will never.
You have listed a lot more points. Great observation. :)
becouse Indian think polyteness is not in the ward its about the way of speaking or tone of your voice
Great. Great. Great. Lot of love from India.
Awww thank you and bless you!
Home Tour + Home Details (Details = Price,You bought or Renting?..Whats your aim..like you'll stay here forever or,will change frequently....BASICALLLLY EVERTHING)....
plz make a video of It.. Hope so I didn't get into your Privacy asking all these silly stuffs 😣 Sorry, in Advance!!
FYI : "No" saying thing.. 1 Funny Indian example..
Friend : Hey, lets go to Goa
Me : (Can't say no) Mummy won't agree!!
Hahahah thanks for the last one! I can talk about this more in an upcoming vlog or maybe a house Q&A video
Kukil Das
Same here ...
I am also using dad power to say some no or disagreement ....
we use "idhar aao" (the rude one you were talking about ) for people our age or younger than us.
"idhar aayiye" for people older than us. Both are the variations of "come here" but since the language is different and both fundamentally carry the same meaning, confuses people haha. Words can be translated, but the essence of it can only be conveyed when spoken in their native language.
also, Hindi word for "please" is Kripeya. But nowadays it sounds sarcastic (well, it depends how you tone it, Kripeya in a soft tone is to be taken seriously. whereas, if said in a comical voice or a low tone is considered sarcastic. Also, notice the expressions of the person speaking. that will tell you what it means)
much love to you Ivana :D
Well you are right. May be that's we are so forward in spiritual things as well as voilance. That why every Bollywood movies has songs on each and every moment because songs and poems are only things by which you can reach the height of emotions in less words, and I think this is all product of Indian species..
How beautifully u described the culutral diffrence and with complete respect amazing
Awww thank you so much, best compliment I can get!
TRAVEL VLOG IV this made my day ivana thank u so much
I am watching your videos one by one, I really like your accent and English pronunciation, which is easy to understand... thanks
India means love
The best thing is our relations
Relation with famlis, friends are awesome
It's very true
nice observation
Indian way of politeness is measured by the respect given to you. In your example idhar aawo is respectful than if a person would have said idhar aa
Great analysis, like 👍 it
Historically people used to live in with their families in big houses in villages as they used to have 5-6 kids and they all used to function as a one big happy family.
When cities started to rise in india these families moved to cities for better opportunities and they used the same concept of living in village in cities. But with time the size of family reduced as people had to travel long distances to reach their offices.
So they started to live individually in u appartments because they cannot afford a house in big cities.
Cool!!! Thank you for explaining!
It's look like I am Dutch .
awesome awesome awesome
next part next part next part
please.....😊
I loved you speaking Dutch in the end of your superb video.
More of these please
You explained it, I think even more accurately than an Indian could have. ...Indian families used to live under one roof, one huge family (trying to clear that doubt), which would have the head of the family - eldest member, spouse, brothers, sisters (unmarried), children, grandchildren. If you have heard of the term Hindu Undivided Family (H.U.F) or make a quick search, you'll get an idea of what I'm trying to say. Not just in Hindu family but almost all other dominant religions in India. Like Muslim, Sikh even Indian Christians. May be in the late 1960s or early '70s when people started to move to other places for jobs, basically cities / towns, this system of joint family started to dissolve. One of the major reason one could say was the rise in the cost of living. The concept of nuclear family started to crop up. Though even today one can find parents staying with their sons, daughter-in-laws in many places or as you said two or more brothers sharing the same space, 1)may be to share the expenses , 2) or to live as one family taking care of their parents. 3) or if the family is into a business...
You are an good critic !. The best..
Hahha well thank you!
Let me make a point about the politeness in Indian languages. There are always three levels of respect expressed in most of the Indian languages.
In English, if u want to say something politely, you need to add many different words to that sentence to make it sound polite. But in Indian languages, we have diff words for diff levels of politeness.
For example-
English -
Can you please take a seat over there?
Hindi
1. Aap waha baithiye. (आप यहां बैठे)
2. Tum waha baitho. (तुम यहां बैठो)
3. Tu waha baith. (तू यहां बैठ)
All these three levels translate in English to this - "You sit there". Which sounds rude. But let me break it down for you.
1. Aap (आप) is used to address either elderly people or to address a person with great respect. ( teacher, old person, boss )
2. Tum (तुम) is to address someone with the same age or who is equal in some other aspect. (friend, colleague, wife, gf)
3. Tu (तू) is used to address someone when there is no obligation (a younger person, child, really close friend). Or you don't respect them (servant, someone u are in a fight with, etc).
So there is no lack of respect. In fact, the Indian people address even toddlers with great respect using "aap (आप)". It's just that the English language is so short of proper words, that these things cannot be directly translated.
Indians are so much masala that when the moon lander lost communication, the ISRO chief cried in the arms of the Prime Minister.
Our parents are roots of our life. We think that they have all the rights to decide everything for us. They have given us this life. That's why they have full control in our life. And More than words, it's the tone in which you talk matters for politeness here. Example, if I am talking to my elder or even any stranger or colleague, I will use "AAP" instead of "Tum" for YOU. And you are absolutely right 😂😂 We Indians are damn emotional in every aspect.. whether it's love, anger, pain etc, we love to express ourselves to the fullest. Loved Loved your Video ❤ Great to know so many interesting & amazing things about Dutch people.
Awww thank you so much for explaining! Happy to hear you liked the video
TRAVEL VLOG IV Most welcome. Always Love your videos ❤
where is the Part 3
The fabulous work of BESCOM can be seen in the background ⚡💡
Nice points ivana..!!!
short and sweet.
Thank you!
as a teenager i can never think about living my grandmother alone.
If your wave length are connected with the person than you speak with less word's is because you are already welcomed at first glimpse, that is athithi devo bhava
Leuke video! Interessant ook
Pro-tip for speaking Hindi-
In English, sentence structure is generally Subject+Verb+Object.
In Hindi, general structure is Subject+Object+Verb.
With little vocabulary, you'll be able to form simple sentences.
Thank you so much!
love your videos and we can get some knowledge about other culture and if it is good we can try to adapt ,thank you for such videos.
It's really my pleasure, so happy you like it!
R u from tennis player martina Navratilova's country?
Check all the places and said.
So, what do you like Joint Family or Nuclear Family ?
Every culture has its own beauty
I feel you are a bit off base on the number of words used in regards to politeness. Most Indian languages have many different forms for the same exact word which can be polite, rude or neutral. But if you translate it, it translates to just one form (usually the neutral one) Example :- "Baito, yahaan bait jaiyiye, beit yahaan" etc. In some of the other languages (especially more prevalent in the sanskrit based languages), there's a lot more forms than this. But sadly that gets lost in translation, especially when you translate it to lot simpler languages which puts more importance to the grammar rather than the words and form of the words themselves.
hey Ivana,
Congratulations for your new home. When will we have a tour of your home ? Are you decorating it ? would like to know more ...
Stay Blessed ...
Arijit
Majority of Indians(specially elderly people) translate hindi to English before speaking as they only know some common words of English, so, like in hindi "come dear, please sit here" will be "aao beta idhar betho" it is very very polite but they translate the words directly and they will say "come sit sit"😄 and If you think about it they are just using some English words to make you understand and that's why it looks like they are not polite.😅
And one more thing is that you can see their politeness in their expressions😄
joint families are siblings who are usually joint owners in a Business and stay together
Some hindi words have plz included in them like
बैठो : sit
बैठिये : plz sit
This video is 100% entertainment .Keep doing it .👌😂😂😃😅😆
Hehehhe thanks!
TRAVEL VLOG IV U r welcome 💐 Evana
Yes. True
Btw the iraqi people also the same indians traditions shared
please reaction Nagaland voice "As one",k4 kekho,Symphonic movement...I think make you wow if you watch video Nagaland voice "As one".
please, make a video teling us about indian relationships.
Once again very informative and lovely video. I thought you were going to stay in Mumbai ? 🤔
Anyways plz give us a house tour 😆 hope you enjoy your stay 🤗
Awww thank you! I talked more about my reasons for Bangalore in the recent Q&A video but i'll also address it in a vlog. I;m really loving my new home!
Part 3 on Yugoslavian culture? If you have a Belgian friend maybe do a Flanders vs dutch culture cause there are no good videos except stereotypes.
No comparison between Indian culture and any culture of the world
The only conclusion i hv cm to after watching ur videos is that i should try to go and settle in NETHERLAND 🤔 It certainly seems a much better place 🤨
Congratulations Ivana for your new Home. I have been following you for a year and a half now. You are so Good.
Awww thank you so much!
Part 3 plz...
BTW, u repeated ur point of saying 'NO' from the first video😜
Ivana please stay , play ,enjoy and upload a video of your holi festival.
Indian s r warm with feelings unlike west , what is the difference between a stone or being alive, or difference between Ur own and others... atleast you have someone to share.. rather than being ALONE.
Good video...