Lockers vs Extreme Suspension
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Pay and Play day Herrington Woods near Sunderland, England.
1st part the hill that bent my front axle last time then comparing extreme articulation 1000 RTI Land Rover 90 to my Series with lockers, oh and a jimny with LSD and a good line.
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This is one of the best promotional videos for lockers I've ever seen. This video is the reason I've just had lockers installed and postponed my suspension upgrade. And I've tested them out and i'm wrapped!! Thankyou!!!! Carl from Melbourne Australia. :)
You are welcome.
Suspension improvements are good too.
If you compare my Landy against the 90 coming back down this slope it is the opposite story to going up.
I'm being jolted about and fighting the steering whereas he, pretty much, just drives down.
Lockers + awesome suspension = unstoppable and wickedly cool
My 110 has front and rear lockers and is unstoppable. Gotta love the Defender
Well that's an excellent demonstration of lockers. Pretty convincing!
Thanks. I've answered those questions in great detail many times. Just read the comments, it's all there.
Oh thanks I will, I genuinely believed this was the most extreme suspension ever seen until you pointed out other stuff, cheers!
there is no doubt that lockers are brillant at offroad, and the best option there is.. I would pick lockers anytime over high springrate.. to make an all around offroad vehicle
Dislocation cones seem to more hassle than they are worth. Longer springs and shocks would be preferable and would keep pressure on the wheels
Having built a few suspensions for different applications I can say with 100% certainty that the way the spring came unseated during its cycle makes that much flex useless. The guy who said that the problem is that there's no weight on that side when the spring is just hanging there is 100% correct. You can have all the flex in the world but if there's no weight on one or more tires you won't have traction on that corner. If this person installs some softer and much longer springs to compliment the travel and the shocks he'd likely get up and over quite handily.
It does however stop the vehicle being pulled over by the weight of that wheel.
It also makes a lot of difference when descending, remember it's not all about climbing.
Not entirely true jeepster83. The wheel being forced up is causing the axle to pivot on either the spring or the bump stop which is pushing down on the other wheel. It is much better than the wheel hanging in thin air. The problem with coil sprung land rovers is the front radius arms. They are crap and do not like to articulate as the radius arm bushes try to self centre the axle. A correcty set up 4 link is superior like Jeep TJ XJ ZJ WJ and. JK ;-)
True! Massive articulation is a waste of time as with no weight on the wheel there will be bugger all aid to traction. And as for descending, well unless you get to the top first, you won't be doing any descending!
Every time you don't make the top then surely you are then descending in reverse?
Good to see so many view points even though half are wrong ;-)
Detroit or ARB are known as the standard in the US. I run the Grizzle from Yukon Gear which is identical to the Detroit. I run them in a old Jeep cause Jeeps are the best off-road vehicle made (Actually it is all about strong axles, lockers, and a engine that will stay on rev. limiter for a long time, when needed. None of which come with anything built on an assembly line). Check out the Atlas transfer case too. Its made by Advanced Adapters and allows you to select front wheel drive and 2low
in the front I.F.S. and rear axle of my 86 Toyota 4x4, in mud and ruff terrain(mountainous area here in Alabama) primarily trail riding, just taking on what ever come along on the trails. i have not changed any gears so they are still factory as far as i know.
The doors themselves are a straight fit. The latch is a few inches higher so you will need to fit the striker plate. I found they were prone to springing open when the body flexes whilst off road.
I have gone back to Series doors. Mostly so I can remove the tops when running roofless.
The windy windows are more practical.
Defender doors are expensive too.
never ceased to amaze me landrover never fitted a rear locker at least.
It's called "knowing your line". It is something people without lockers learn if they want to get around. ;)
@keidicko
Ian's 90 is a serious bit of kit indeed!
He can indeed drive but you are only seeing a small snippet where it was all about cross axle-ing it on purpose.
@landyladv8
LSD or Torque biasing diffs in the front of a permanent 4wd can give understeer and heavier steering. But with power steering on a 110 I would think it would be good. Truetracs are very strong and smooth in operation. Not as much traction off-road as a full locker but less likely to break things and allows you better steering.
I took mine out when I went permanent 4wd as mine is very short and doesn't have power steering. I miss it off road though.
3:37....Rear coil seems to be seperated from the shock mount. No wonder why the person taking the video is commenting on "look at the articulation." Also now wonder why he didn't make it up the hill. The tire is bottomed out on the fender well.
Sweet, have you just got a locker on the rear or have you gone for the added no steering version, one on the front too? nice vid, got to love the Suzuki avoiding the problem with the holes though. I like to do the green lanes, but love to see people digging up pay and play sites. 4x4 Enjoy!
@flight2k5 You can think that all you want, but if you are familiar st all with Moab, Utah, the place I live is a little more extreme than even Moab. I have to go on trails that are more extreme than in this video just to go to Walmart (208-miles one-way). You have to know how to drive a 4X4 just to live here. Imagine trails that are worse than this, but put a foot of snow on them, too. It is 7100' ASL where I am sitting right now, so it snows for 9-10 months out of the year and is -30 at night.
just goes to show what I think all the time! in the long run, though it seems like a lot to pay at the outset, stock suspension and a locker is really the best route!
sounds like a place where a friend of mine lives in the four corners area.colorado,new mexico,arizonia,nevada. farminton new mexico. he leaves work its 60 degrees he gets home its 25 to 30 degrees during the summer time. think he said he's about somewhere tween 6,800-7,500. ft a.s.l. he said when he first moved there he stayed sick, but now he's adjusted.L.O.L.
I think thats a good test showing what each systems can do, i have a 110 and am thinking about a rear locker after seeing this video.
I heard that an lsd diff on the front axle makes it handle funny, or do you have to spin the wheels to engage it?
gotta love the series
@MonkeyMotorSport No offense, I am a little dubious about having him on some of the trails that I use here in the state of Nevada and Utah; I take my Jeep XJ to places that makes that place look quite sedate. I do it on 31X10.5s, 3" of lift, and a factory LSD rear diff. I am going to put a Yukon Spartan locker in the front eventually, since I have found a few circumstances where a locker in the front will worker better than anything -- having both, of course, would be the only way to fly!
It's secured at the axle end and has relocation system at the chassis.
I know have a new appreciation for the beauty of the Jeep Wrangler.
Can someone please explain to me how that disengaging coil spring works? This is the first time I've seen a coil spring just dangle at full articulation, then reconnect. Is this by design or buy accident?
mudbone80 Yes, it is deliberate.
Good point. I have accidentally clicked the report flag thinking it was the approve tick. Apologies if the RUclips police contact you. I doubt they will though.
@Mr204ruger
Of course not!
Pegged ARB RD128 in the rear and an Eaton TrueTrac in the front. Still on standard Series 4.7:1 gearsets.
Ideally, you would have both lockers and suspension.
TrueTrac torque biasing unit in the front then.
Ashcroft full air locker in the front now.
It's designed to dislocate.
It's in the wing, so what, I don't know why that matters, one goes up the other side goes down.
nice :) defender 1000 rti score .like rear dislocating setup .looks like it went well with no lockers.
How do? Like ya film what engine are ya running in the series an is it a standard set up otherwise I.e axles transmission etc
I like his B reg 300 defender just a shame he cant drive it !
sorry for the english...but wich kind of pieces have you installed on this series??!!please answer as soon as you can!!
Hi mate have you got any info on the defender doors on the series 3 i am looking at doing the conversion is it a straight fit or do you need to modify things?
Which one ;o)
The pegged ARB in the back or the TrueTrac in the front?
It depends on how you will be using it, in what and where?
did the landy have a front locker? it didn't look like it. I bet it would not have had that bit of trouble at the end with a arb air locker. nice video!
Back then it was ARB rear and TrueTrac front.
MonkeyMotorSport what's it running now? Arb front and rear? I'm just curious what your results are now? I'm thinking about arb all the around on my rig. Cheers!
ARB rear and Ashcroft Air Locker front.
Very good but hard work without power steering.
whats the lump in the series?
and which lockers are you using?
@landroverowner195
235/85R16 Insa Turbo Special Tracks on 8k16 rims.
Lockers every time baby
No, it isn't.
Sway bars aren't fitted to this vehicle so no need of a device to disconnect what isn't there.
It has a system to relocate the springs which are free to dislocate.
proof of concept.
what lockers are you running?
Lockers should be mandatory!! ;)
@Giovanni406husky
Rear ARB RD128 Air locker. Pegged. 4.7:1 KAM 24 Spline ½shafts
Front Eaton TrueTrac. 4.7:1
lockers will almost always win haha :) nice vid lads, where is this place it looks the dogs bollocks!
what size of tyre does the series has??
Lol, what a wind up to the guy in the shiny 90
@ SonofLiberty79
"I have seen a Hummer climb a 12 foot vertical wall made of concrete."
IMPOSSIBLE, it either was not 12 feet, or it was not vertical.
200 Tdi ex Discovery.
Front Eaton Truetrac.
Rear ARB Air Locker.
You are very right.
"Properlander" vs "Suzuki Gaylander"
hi guys all i call say is in my opinion "NOTHING" like a Toyota reguardless of age or type exspecially with lockers. i believe they would climb trees like bears or better. by the way what is the best locker in your opinion.
Is that a backhanded way of saying you think Land Rovers are ugly?
Or, maybe even the Jimny lol!
great series 2
@diegomayan
My Landy is indeed a bit of an old beast. Some scrote tried to steal it last night, grrrr!
All show and no go ;)
Hello Spring! Coming out to say hi @ 3:36?
Herrington Woods near Sunderland.
Someone can tell me what series of land Rover is ?
+Sebastiàn Chacòn It's a Series 2 with a Series 3 bulkhead, windscreen and wings which where fitted later due to rot/damage.
up with the 88 series!!!
diesel sound's like buffalo
left rear shock is broken and dangling on the axle, no wonder (and why am I the only one seeing this?)
+hossguitar
Because you don't understand spring dislocation systems maybe?
MonkeyMotorSport I know stabilizer dislocation but shocks? Wow!
+hossguitar
Very long shocks.
Chris, in the Suzuki, cheated by driving round the holes! I built up his Lockrite for him btw!
He now has a Tomcat.
Those are 265/75R16 so wider than you are running.
It's all down to what terrain you are running on and if you use the same tyres on the road to commute to work I guess.
If you never got stuck you should try something harder. No fun in playing on what you know to be easy.
thanks
@flight2k5
Well said that man.
defender 90 would be un stoppable if had diff lockers all round
nice car i like it !!!
Having a limited slip diff in a 4x4 is like putting perfume on a pig !!!
ATB is stronger, provides more traction more smoothly than an open diff and it doesn't kill your ability to steer like a full locker.
what engine is it?
+Jc Wong Which vehicle?
I bet he would have done better with x-springs fitted, dislocation is useless, but yet so many aim to achieve it!
yes
Completely different type of suspension. You might as well say, "Where is the Ferrari?"
where is the extreme suspention? search baja trophy truck or even preruner
is not a extreme suspension but a broken rear suspension thoug
+Argeny Sandoval In what way is it broken?
The rear left coil spring can not be detached from the chassis at any moment, as you can see in this video it came off from the top leaving the left tire hanging on the air. As may know that is not right! There should be a bottom limit.
+Argeny Sandoval That is deliberate and also commonplace on Land Rovers.
MonkeyMotorSport Really? First time I Heard that, guess will have to google it!
+Argeny Sandoval Commonly called dislocation but really it's about re-location.
It's not perfect but it is effective to a reasonable degree.
@MonkeyMotorSport scuse me,but i'm so ignorant on this matter,and i don't understand anything,can you explain better than the previous message??!
land rover series 2
And stock
Give your head a shake man!
both!!! lol
land rover 109
+Jc Wong
Do you mean the 88"?
+MonkeyMotorSport
200 tdi
They aren't skinny they are the correct size. Fat tyres are for posers.
you cheat with your diff lock rob :P
your spring popping off the spring perch is not good my friend!!!! get a locker and forget the speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kc8ntp when people say crap like this it makes me laugh.
ha ha ha ha he spent all that money on stupid springs and a stock jiminy gets up there ha ha ha get some lockers
Stock jimny with a locker in the back.
still its funny, did he not know about lockers when he spent $$$$$ on he springs?
He did and now has them.
He added a Detroit NoSpin locker in the back shortly afterwards.
+doovle lux he got them for steep descents or doing RTI ramps I guess.
Sorry Had a Jeep Rubicon and a Toyota 4runner and Toyotas are shit in my humble opinion I drove circles around them Hummers and everything I encountered with my Jeep.
No lockers on the jimny!
Rear Locker on Jimny.