What Is MORE Important Basketball IQ or Raw Talent??
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Gil's Arena Debates If Hoops IQ Is MORE Important Than Skill as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew battle over which attribute is more important for the professional hooper, basketball IQ like Nikola Jokic's passing ability and court vision or raw talent like Anthony Edwards' explosiveness and athleticism.
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Raw talent can get you in the league, Basketball IQ will keep you in the league.
And that is a fact cuz almost all of them can run and jump or else they wouldn’t be (athletes) in the first place lol
Case in point is the 2018 Draft Class of Ayton, Bagley, & Doncic. Why is Doncic an MVP candidate for several years now while the other 2 are running out of the league?
hmm To be great, you need both. But you can still play ten plus years in the league off raw talent. if you have no talent whatsoever, so can't shoot, cant pass cant defend, dribble, rebound nor score, but you have a high iq, you'll probably not make it into the league. and if you do you probably will not play....but the high iq can guarantee you a coaching job after a short career
@@Th3WhiteNoiseAyton not running out the league at all and bagley been injured since day one
@@alexandreb-h7423My bad if they're not running out of the league, but compare to Doncic's status, it's a very wide gap.
Javale McGee became serviceable once he got away from other dummies on the Wizards and eventually ended up on the Warriors.
And the Lakers ! Looked great along side other great players
Pierre 3x
He was good on the Nuggets too. I remember him dominating a playoff game vs the Lakers with Denver.
And frustrated the hell out of CP3. It was hilarious seeing McGee drive Paul crazy 😂
Funny part is we all knew he was a beast random 10 block games it was hilarious 🔥
Without K’Mart on this show I’d be lost asf. Because McCant always go off topic 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣low key first 6 min I was lost
So true. He always wants to be the other person but it aint working out he speaks bs.
He was trying to make the point that player's in the previous era (where ant man said they were not skilled), utilized a high iq, while these guys just go off raw athleticism. He just didn't communicate it well, and that's because there was an agenda he was going for lol
Hoes compare
I like mccants as a player but he with definitely go off in to left field.
I've seen rec center pickup games. Where a team of 40 year olds with high IQ, straight wash a team of 20 year olds with high athleticism.
Real life facts lol
@@Badlandz As soon as I seen the 40 year olds hit a clean pick and roll, I knew it was over. They was setting screens so smooth, they killed the 20 years olds spirits.
@@DST3000AND I’VE SEEN REC CENTER PICK UP GAMES WITH SO CALLED HIGH IQ 40 YEAR OLD PLAYERS VS ATHLETIC 20 YEAR OLDS AND THE 40 YEAR OLDS GET THEIR A$$ES HANDED TO THEM! WHATS YOUR POINT?
But no teams in the NBA have an entire team of high IQ guys. Talent definitely over IQ in the NBA
@@firsteyebeats2617exactly lol. And it’s more often than not that the 20 year olds whoop them
Last time Rashad and Bron played in the same game, Bron had 51 and Rashad had 5. I see why he hate that nga.
What game was that?
@@williambaldwin6241 March 13 2009 cavs vs sac
@@williambaldwin6241 if you find it let me know lol
@@williambaldwin6241 march 13, 2009. Cleveland vs Sacramento
@@williambaldwin62413/13/2009 cavs vs kings
"Don't repeat that to nobody"
Lmfaooo my parents used to say this all the time.
Never forget LeBron averaged 37 PPG against McCants
lol
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@@Pd2300x incoming people saying it's annoying that people keep posting this 😂 now they know how we feel when we see McCants dumb ass trolling on Twitter for no reason
Always gotta humble this nga Rashad 🫡
🫡 the plan is working. my minions are doing gods work !!!! 🔥🔥
This used to be a argument between Duncan and Amare Staudemire.
Great damn comment!
Yup.
Amare Raw Talent ain’t even close to Duncan Natural Skill & IQ
@@LUMBEEPHENOM2012naw it was , that one year they hit smash and ppl ran on the court n got suspended, Suns supposed to win that series if that happens n suns win the ring them careers could've looked a lot different
Nah, Amare a bad example due to the fact he ended up getting injured a lot while Duncan stayed healthy most of his career. A fair one would be Chris Paul vs Russell Westbrook, who are you taking in their prime?
Ant man started off by saying, "I didn't see, so I don't know, but"
😂😂😂
3:25 JR Smith
Kenyon was definitely talking about JR Smith 😄
Coulda been ronnie brewer, james white, earl barron, or solomon jones. JR was still there on the 13/14 team and all those guys were only on the 12/13 team
@@JuicyMcnamusKenyon most likely guessed the year wrong
Probably iman shumpert
@@JuicyMcnamus he also bought up playing in Denver too, alongside Chauncey Billups. They was talking about IQ
Quentin Richardson or Chris Copeland. Maybe Jr Smith, but he was ballin
Athleticism determines your floor, while IQ determines your ceiling. Also, IQ keeps you in the league longer(at a more productive level) think Westbrick(High Athleticism and low IQ) vs CP3(low Athleticism and High IQ) and Bron(someone with high Athleticism and high IQ)
Also, IQ is not only about being an elite passer and defenders(or understanding the game at high level). Its also about taking care of your body and developing your skill to the next level. Think Shaq vs Kobe, one has high Athleticism while the other has a high IQ. Probably why they worked so well together because Kobe was so elite at his IQ to develop his skill even tho he lack the Athleticism and physical gifts of Shaq. While Shaq was physically gifted that he literally didnt need a high IQ or to even develop his game much(even though he should have). Kobe lasted longer and won more rings. IQ keeps you in the game longer at a high level
westbrook has been in the league for ten plus years and has an mvp to his name, so i reckon he's done very well for himself. chris paul is very skilled and quite athletic. The problem with folks and these debates is, they narrow the subjects to one thing. High IQ is not just about passing the ball or knowing plays. Athleticism is not just limited to being able to jump high. CP3 has a good motor and strong endurance levels (that's part of being an athlete). he is also very agile, and doesn't get fatigued on the defensive end. That's all part of athleticism.
You need both, but you get in the door with raw talent. Player with raw talent and no iq vs a high iq player with no talent (can't shoot, can't dribble, can't guard, can't rebound, can't pass), it will be dumb to pick the high iq guy, because that can be trained. the high iq guy can always join the coaching staff. and the shaq and kobe take, i mean one could argue that when kobe was ball hogging at times he wasn't always using his iq.
@@el84oroyeah u sound wrong and slow no skill doesn’t mean u can’t do anything u literally said don’t go to the extreme and went to the extreme, if u in the nba u gotta know how to shoot defend do something at a high level, high iq means u understand the game and what play to make at the right time.
Cp3 was quick as F when he entered the league all the way to clipper days
Now he relies on IQ to stay in league
@@everybodywannabelikemike_ with iq you can become a coach. guys with little skill end up on the bench, as you get older and lose athleticism your days in the league are reduced. its that simple. you're not going out there playing a bunch of minutes if you can't keep up. when they say father time is undefeated, the iq doesn't regress, its the athleticism, talent and even skill that takes the hit
IQ and Skill usually go together and Talent and Athleticism typically go together.
Unless your Westbrook the man got all of them at an all time high level .. except IQ lmao he got the IQ of a 5th grade bully
bingo
Define talent in basketball
I’m saying the same thing. Do they not get the definition? That’s why the conversations go left slot because they don’t understand the wording 🤔
Shit isn’t skills IQ? 😂😂😂 I think they mean talent and IQ.
1:11 “what was the question again?”😭
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@@LUMBEEPHENOM2012trynna keep McCants on topic 😂😂 he all over the place
😂😂😂😂
They’re both equally important. Doesn’t matter how high your basketball IQ is if you don’t have the necessary skill to translate it to success.
You can develop skills quickly, iq I still see so many players in sport can't get. Pretty much it's the difference between hof and role players. Hof has both
They're both important. a great player needs both. but your regular player would need more skill than iq tbh. If you're just a regular rotation guy, chances are you're not getting your play called a ton, you're not getting as many minutes, so your skill can help you get in games and get some minutes. Your iq may not help as much if you're always on the bench. It will help in how you work with your teammates , and if that's the case, then you should be planning a career as a coach after. To survive in any major sports league, you need a decent level of skill
Athleticism and raw talent produce highlight reals that makes the NBA money, but IQ and skill win games. There is a reason why the finals were the Warriors vs. Cavaliers 4 years straight. The warriors high team IQ vs. LeBron's high IQ. The warriors were a dynasty because of the high team IQ. The Spurs were boring but won championships, because of their high IQ and skill level.
Duncan-Jokic-Bird-Stockton-Luka-CP3 are all prime examples of Smarter than athletic ❤
Straight up!!
Can easily add, Jason Kidd, Rajon Rondo, magic
But ultimately these guys win you games, not just in the clutch but by reading the game and steering the team.
The guy who brought a gun into the locker room is talking about IQ. We really are living in a simulation
Game Iq is different from actually Iq it’s like how some guys are good at talking shit over a game but can’t say it to your face
@@Joshua-qc1li your nonsensical analogy clearly reflects your IQ, rme.................
So you’re the one they talking about😂😂😂😂😂 damn that must be hard to believe you’re the smartest in the room and we all know the truth?
YOU'RE STUPID!
The only reason he brung it because the person he was arguing with was going to do the same so ima ask you,u taking the chance of protecting ur self bringing it or don’t bring it
As a Jordan and Bulls fan, when I think of post 2000 NBA and high IQ players, the first guy I think of is Kobe Bryant. When I think of pure athleticism I first think of a prime Vince Carter.
So if I use Kobe and VC as player archetypes and have to pick one, Im taking a player like Kobe every time because a high IQ guy can utilize more tools to defeat a player who is equally or more athletic than him.
Then there are people who have equal IQ/athleticism like Lebron.
High iq and Kobe? Stop it right there. Man took the most unnecessary shoots when teammates were literally wide open, why you gotta lie to yourself?
Kobe had both
Kobe was smart but delusional and ignorant, he just wanted to take all the shots to be his vision of Michael Jordan. He could pass but wouldn't when he had a chance to be the hero. Which was a lot of the time.
Kobe played for a better team also. We seen him without the help.
A high IQ player is far more valuable for a team than a highly skilled or highly athletic player
Your teammates can’t rely on your individual skill set or your athleticism
A high IQ translates to the game, the box score, the advanced stats, and your teammates in ways that simply being able to windmill dunk or hesi-hesi step back can’t
If you don’t have the ability to make anyone around better or help make the game easier for your teammates than you’re essentially going to be a one trick pony, especially if your entire game is predicated on athleticism
For example: if Russell Westbrook had half the IQ of LeBron or Joker he might have had a career few could rival because he has everything else
High iq players are just old athletic players you don’t make the nba without athleticism?😂
i look at it differently. IQ is valuable no doubt, especially for the great ones, the mikes the magic's brons, steph etc...Its an icing on the cake with the kind of skills they have. But your regular player who isn't an all star and is a rotational guy would need skill. You used Westbrook, Westbrook has played 10 plus years in the league and won an mvp off just skills alone. a player with no skills but a high IQ might not even get the chance to play in a game. you can't shoot, can't dribble, can't defend, can't score, can't pass, can't jump. You're not getting in the game.
And if you're good with plays, and know where your teammate should be on screens, no what to run when shot clock is winding down, you're better off just joining the coaching staff and helping to develop the guys. In every major sport, you need a decent level of skill. Even if you're just a very good spot up shooter, its a valuable skill to have. The great ones need both, its part of what helps their greatness, everyone else needs at least one or two transferable skills on the court
@@el84oro where did I say that it’s fine to have absolutely no relevant skills 🤣 like obviously ever basketball player in any professional league is going to have a base level skill set and some athleticism, like that is something that should be assumed based off the fact that we’re discussing players in the NBA
Russell Westbrook absolutely won an MVP and put together a multitude of historic seasons and performances throughout his long career
He has also never won on a big stage, historically he puts up absurd stats but his teams were mediocre and teams have found ways to exploit his liabilities time and time again…although he is a world class athlete, he is not that highly skilled and this is evident in his stats, you look at his career and you’re disappointed in the fact that he has never been able to translate his talents into winning basketball
Andre Igoudala was every bit the athlete or close to the athlete Westbrook is…he’s also a high IQ player and has won at the highest level, literally win finals MVP as the 3rd or 4th option 😂 and it’s not like he was particularly the most skilled offensive player, he isn’t a great shooter, but his IQ and understanding of what his teams needed from him game to game in order to win is what made him a future HOF
Melo is another guy who is extremely skilled and high level athleticism but he didn’t have the characteristics of a high IQ player, capable of helping his teammates play at a high level
The number one hallmark of a high IQ player is the ability to make those around you better; and there are different ways to do that but the effect is that you play winning basketball as a team and give yourself an opportunity to win every game
Again, damn near every single NBA player has some level of skills and athleticism; you can’t teach 6’9 🤣
@@el84oroOkay. But I bet you championship teams would rather have a Diaw over an athlete any day. IQ almost always trumps skill. Your average player needs to do different things to stay on a roster. A high skill guy is typically only great at one thing and a liability in other areas.
They not lying about the IQ guy. I don't know how many times I got turnover over somebody not reading a simple situation and not executing. It's beyond frustrating 🤦🏽♂️
Athleticism vs IQ… if I’m assembling a team, I rather my star player be high IQ (CP3, Luka, Jokic, J Kidd) and my role players be athletic. Athletic star players get a lot of wear and tear, they lose their prime faster unless they start becoming more high IQ.
That guy at the park that keeps backdooring and moving is always more vauble, then the pretty move guy we have a lot of babies/ children coming in the league their intensity and aptitude to win at any means isn't there and the colleges are at their mercy there is no learning curve anymore and this is the product
💯💯💯
Can’t back door your way to success in the league
@darylvondutch6096 Talking right out your @ss quincy pointdexter. rip halminton but that wasn't my argument not everyone gonna be the man on your team especially on that level so what you gon pout and cry and say oh if I actually got the ball more they would see I'm like that we got enough corner standers in the leauge now learn how to play without out the ball that 1000 move shi don't matter on that level your not the guy so do something about it
@@noooope4445 tbh I don’t really care about this argument your argument has so many holes and flaws it’s crazy. Have a good day tho .
@darylvondutch6096 if you cared you wouldn't reply stfu already dork
Iq will hide your weaknesses. When you playing 5s you gotta know how to make the talent cohesive which comes down to iq. It makes your team harder to guard. Hence why a lot of these super teams getting bounced in the first / second round
Looking forward for your next upload!
I can binge these videos for hours!
It's alot of "skilled hoopers" (like the people on the couch, for example) thay can probably do prettier moves and dribble the air out of the ball, but then you have players with great IQ like a LeBron or Jokic who have better resumes than everyone affiliated with the show lol
bag merchants are nice and everything but there's a pretty clear trend with basketball IQ and success 🤷♂️
Resumes aren’t meant for convos like dis. Jesus 🤦🏾♂️
@@TW__________yeah because "convos like dis" is a coping mechanism lol
@@corpyhogan4433 coping mechanisms ??? I’m dead asffff 💀💀🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jokic is one of the most skilled players in the league, he’s just not as athletic as others
A player with 100 IQ and 0 athleticism vs a player with 0 IQ vs 100 athleticism is an even match-up. The only difference is the 100 IQ player can get a coaching job after their career is over 😂.
The athletic player would have a sick ass youtube compilation video though. HAHAHAHAHA
Even? Lol IQ will always win. its literally Jokic vs Deandre Jordan
Iq and if you don’t know that your not that good of a hooper
@CMCut how about Jokic vs Giannis?
@@CMCutmind you jokic Is 7ft tall and can run for days. If he was 5ft6 he wouldn’t have a place in the league. IQ is great but at the end of the day sports are played with your body.
Listening to this topic, the first thing that came to mind was '21-'22 Finals. GSW out IQ'd Boston
I love how Rashad said playing off ball is a lost art today even though he glorifies the ‘iso era’ when they just gave Iverson and McGrady the ball and told them to do everything. I haven’t tracked the numbers but I’m willing to bet there’s way more ball movement than there was 20 years ago.
Most of that is due to more teams incorporating the Spurs and Golden Stat Warriors model. But there still is a lof of stagnation in today's NBA. The inoy reason it appears players are moving around is because of the many fastbreak started by a long defensive rebound. Players are still clapping like seals at the 3-point line.
@7:30 do you think K-Mart was talking about JR Smith 😂
He played with JR for years in denver before the Knicks. I think he talking about someone else
For sure not because he played with him in Denver
Wouldn’t the best example of this IQ vs Talent conversation be 2014 Finals Spurs vs Heat? Or even the WCF Spurs vs Thunder.
Spurs whooping the Heat is a example of high IQ beating Athletes
@@369pendulumwelp Dallas then and then the warriors🥱
In 2014. What was called when the heat beat them in 2013 then
Kawhi Leonard won the dpoy with no athleticism?🤦♂️
Terrible example. Bron and Wade had high iq. The spurs just outplayed them bc they were better.
I think you mean Mavs vs Heat. IQ vs talents. 😂😂😂
Like my coach always used to tell me
“Talent will get you there but hardwork and good IQ will keep you there”
Bruh you all crazy to think IQ guys don’t have talent. Let me tell you every high IQ guy have been talented in other aspects other than jumping, luka(generational scorer & passer), jokic(generational passer), lebron(combination of high IQ & raw athleticism), Steph(crazy conditioning and IQ). Can name a lot. Raw athleticism & talent isn’t cherished in the league, High IQ with Generational talent in any skillset is
You can’t be a star player without a high basketball iq, best you can be is a role player
Russell Westbrook 🥱
rubbish. there are players who have played ten plus years off just skill and raw talent alone. a high iq and no skill, you're not getting in the game. might as well join the coaching staff. and don't say "steve kerr had no skills but has 4 rings as a player". Steve Kerr was a very good and skilled shooter, which is a valuable skill/talent to have in the league. shooting is still a skill
@@Dipset415 you don’t think Westbrook has IQ?
8:20 JR Smith? 😂
Was super talented with no IQ
I was thinking that… Or Tyson Chandler.
yeah… Im convinced now.😂😂
I think where they get confused is there's "Skills" then there's "attributes" both equate to Talent. For Ex Skill being able to boxout effectively for a rebound...attribute must be strong Boxout+strong= Rebound.
These guys are confused and unprepared for this discussion. Oh no wonder, it’s Gil’s video.
Birdman was a monster, not saying he was shaq or jokic but birdman was one of the few guys that play hard every possession especially on defense he is always looking for the block
Rashad McCants preach brother! You speak facts! 😊
Jokic / Luka vs Ja / Zion maybe a better comparison?
Talent is a combination of skill and athleticism with skill being learned ability and athleticism being physical given ability. Some players talent is mostly athleticism and some others is mostly skill.
So the question then is would you rather have a player with high end talent/ability and little to no bb iq or a player with low to mid talent but very high iq?
I think what Antman was trying to get at that overall the talent level is higher now then back then as the skill required from every person on the court has increased and the athleticism overall has increased. Some can argue that the skill didn't increase just shifted. But the bb iq has definitely decreased over the decades and some skills like entry passes, posting up, in-between shotmaking, and off ball movement have drastically decreased as demand for other skills have increased.
IQ is skill because skill is instinctive. Instinct is the most intelligent of all intellegence
High IQ is just your mentality about the game, training, and how intelligent you naturally are. The 7 or 8 best players are usually smart also. All players talents are raw at the start. It comes down to you as an individual.
The San Antonio Spurs during their heyday are a good example of high IQ beats overall talent.
Mike Conley and Andre Miller are perfect examples of high IQ players contributing a ton over a long career when they weren't athletic, or big.
Jokic carried an absolutely horrible roster in 22 to 48-36 and when took a game off the champion Warriors
💯 IQ......Raw Talent always falls victim to that timeless foe "Father Time"
The guy I’d like to see discussed, is Russ Westbrook. How can a guy be that gifted, average a triple double yearly, and still have a basketball IQ of 45. I’m not dissing him either, in 16/17 I loved watching him. So exciting. And gave 100% always. But for all his talent and ability, and heart, I’ve never seen someone reach that level, and still have zero idea how to read the game.
I remember when my Utah Jazz played them in a playoffs first round in the late 2010s. We won the series and one of the factors was one of our PGs (Rubio?) got in his head and distracted him.
Iq is required for the team to
Mesh and the game plan to
Work. It’s a team sport. Individual talent will not get it done consistently against specially against a cohesive team.
A raw talent can be taught “basketball IQ”…to be raw talent, it means you know how to put the ball in the hoop…and youre an adult who can take instructions…we hire a good coach and boom that’s it. Listen to your coach.
If youre very smart from the stands and don’t have the physical and finesse talents, sorry but you’ll have to just help the coach do his job. We cant get you strong, athletic, agile fast enough for you to make a difference playing in the game.
If you have both, and these types are rare, then great! Youre a starter and a finisher no matter what part of the season we are in.
You can be the smartest all day with no skill you can't go anywhere. You have to have a I.Q in order to have skills. This is a crazy question
Antman never seen Shawn Kemp, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway. I can name 200 people that had skills and IQ and natural athleticism. Shawn Marion types. The thing is the last era was more competitive 2way players like Eddie Jones than just focused on offense.
Not 200 but we feel you tho (pause)
“Ookkkk”😂😂😂
This really is the technician vs the performer argument.
A lot of guys like Stromile Swift had insane athleticism, but only Steve Nash types could succeed in the game.
la clippers cp3 being iq skill player playing with athletes blake griffin and deandre jordan
Talent + athleticism vs iq and skills
I have no idea what this even means. Are the first two not synonymous in this context? It’s my understanding that skill is the application (IQ) of raw talent / athleticism.
this question is basically what would u take on the Warriors.. Podz or Jordan Poole back
I keep seein the Lebron comments so i had to google it. He really averaged 37 against Mccants 😂
Also a high IQ player can maximize the potential of those around them .so no they will not always necessarily look bad because their teammates are bad. They can use what ever talent to their advantage.
Man this episode is crayyyyyyzzzeee😂😂
This question is like an offset penalty in football. In this case, each skill counters the other. Better yet, it's ☯️
Rashad what ant is saying is that his era has more skilled players than previous eras. Iq isn’t lost in this era guys just simply don’t want to become role players… and ofc a lot guys don’t just come in knowing how to play because the game is different on every level
😂😂😂MC,cants woke me out my sleep i knew he was off topic
I cant even front. I agree with Gil and Kenyon. I akways been a high IQ player. When i play with guys that just play i look TERRIBLE!!! I look like i have no idea what im doing. Put me with other smart players then i get going. Its crazy they said this because they absolutely right!!!
I'll take the physical gifts. BBIQ and understanding the game can be learned when in the correct environment.
I dont think so. If you dont develop those habits early, then the best you can hope for are slight to marginal improvement for bbiq.
This is basically a modern day argument of Jokic vs Zion
Jokic vs Dwight Howard
Chris Paul vs Russell Westbrook
John wall vs Trae young
Hell na Joker has plenty skill
@@uncleiroh7967Howard’s defensive IQ off the charts
Iq is more important. Smart players who ‘aren’t athletic’ have been some of the greatest players ever, but there’s never been someone with a low basketball iq and insane physical talent who has. Every great player who’s known for being athletic first also happens to be smart. MJ was smart, Kobe was smart, Lebron is smart, Wilt was smart. A player has to have at least a decent basketball iq to go along with physical ability in order to succeed.
One of the main components missing from this comparison…..(that’s Y U have PRACTICE)to elevate understanding of the game.😢😢😢
5ive is the 5ace of the NBA 🐜
Y’all had the perfect example. Nets vs Celtics Kenyon ( talent) vs Antione Walker ( skill) I believe early on Walkers skill outdid KJ’s talent and then KJ started to dominate him
High IQ is a force multiplier. Even flatfooted, unathletic guys can go far with high IQ and a jump shot. No "bag" or handles, or dunks, just playbooks inside out, reading the floor offensively and defensively. That's why when you get a talented high IQ guy, it adds +/-20 wins to the team. I.e. Nash, Kidd, CP3, Lebron.
i dunno if you've got no skill or just a jumpshot, you might not even get in the game to play. coach might just end up having you by his side to discuss plays. there have been loads of people in this league with raw talent that have played over ten plus years. some have even gotten MVPs. high iq alone can get you a coaching gig, and a ton of bench time on different teams. its sports, like it or not, you still need talent. a league with a bunch of raw talent is more interesting than a league with a bunch of say steve kerrs.
The question isnt really fair because in general a high basketball IQ is part of raw talent.
That said god given physical raw talent is a necessity. Not one nba player has ever not had natural god given physical talent. Btw just so you know height is a part of physical raw talent. The amount of above average height players is astronomical.
why are ball IQ and raw talent being treated mutually exclusively?! they can certainly overlap with one another! many of the best players in NBA history have exhibited both -- e.g., Magic Johnson, Jordan, LBJ
You can’t make it to the league without raw talent, the greatest of all time have high iq + the amazing raw talent
What Gil was saying was like the lebron in 2018 and in 2007
The guy on the 2013-2014 Knicks was probably Raymond Felton, lol. Kenyon had already played with JR Smith. Unless he's talking about Amare but Amare was an All-Star so probably not.
Boris Diaw was really athletic...He could dunk when he want. same type of player like Tatum. These guys decide to preserve energi. You guys gave to explain what is athleticism...Joker for his size and weight is athletic. Agile and fast foot
I wonder how long these clips would be without the long silences and repeating the question 4 times. Gil is trying to single handedly bring dead air back to broadcasting.
It’s easier to teach a talented person,the fundamentals of the game.
What measurements are used to say that players are more athletic now vs past. Running times,verticals,strenght,able to play everygame, what measurable are we using
Talent always winds up wasted when that player has limited BBIQ. Developing switch skills requires knowing how to improve as a player
Damn i hate to write this because i always rooted for him to succeed ... but after watching shows like this ... i think i know why he didn't
Stromile Swift. Dude was like 6"10", athletic. Some of the nastiest dunks. But after a while, i noticed that was about it. Match-ups you would think he would dominate, he would give you a highlight dunk and the would be it lol
You need IQ and cohesion for the first 3 quarters, that Talent is needed in the 4th when the game slows down
The Pistons wit Ben Wallace was pure heart and IQ. Athleticism with no heart or IQ is only good in Warm upand 21 street ball. And1 dudes can make it in this soft reckless NBA
IQ because they are the one's who unlocks the raw talent that highlights their IQ 💯 It's a reciprocal relationship that goes a long way if you see it for what it is 🏀❤️💪💯
Raw talent easy. What good is iq if u csnt dribble a ball or shoot wit coordination. The talent aspect is the basics IQ come in after you master that
IQ keeps you in the league longer you cant lose IQ but you can lose your athleticism
This conversation is ridiculous,from a young age we have atleticism,then learn to dribble,shoot,pass understand the game comes with experience and good coaching staff……
Ha! The guy that Kenyon is referencing on the 12-13' Knicks has to be J.R. Smith. You saw the way Gilbert laughed when he saw that name scrolling through the roster.
Javel McGee is actually a very smart dude.
Antman must not watch basketball. Cause that’s a wild statement
Rudy Gay vs.... Another one is that dude who used to play for the Bucks. He got hurt all the time but he was just athlete. Felipe Lopez. Sebastian Telfair. Kwame Brown.
I’m so glad Gil and Kmart said what they said cuz fuckin McCants just be talking bout nothing. And nothing to do with the question
Kobe and jordan were the only two who were skilled back in the day.😂 Bird only told somebody he was going to shoot with his left hand the whole game and won that shit. But he had no skill?? What
One can argue basketball IQ is what allowed the Spurs to beat the Heat's raw talent in 2014.
feel like the IQ part of this conversation isnt being dissected properly. They brought up kobe and MJ having both and also Ant man. The problem I saw with ant man vs dallas in the playoffs is he tried to use athleticism to dribble by people while just dribbling side to side rather than using IQ to set up the dribble moves. MJ and Kobe used IQ to setup people up to take advantage of their athleticism.
Dirk's Mavs beat the Heat because of the high IQ. Joker won a title because of high IQ too. Entire teams can have high IQ, but only a few players on teams are highly skilled. Talent has a shelf life.
Y'all lost the thread right away! The question was, what's more important: high IQ or high talent? Y'all went to athleticism vs IQ instead
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A great example is Jason Williams early career vs John Stockton.
A lot these new big men don't even know why the block and lines is on the outside of the paint offensive and defensively