What's Going To Happen At Friday's Press Conference? + Is Shanny Done? | SDP
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- Steve Dangle, Jesse Blake and Adam Wylde discuss what they believe is going to happen at Friday's Maple Leafs press conference with Brendan Shanahan & Brad Treliving.
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Adam/Jassie - Give Steve a month to settle down.
I think Shanahan and his position will be gone. Treliving will be reporting directly to keith Pelley.
The Leafs are closer to rebuild territory than they are to cup territory. That is a fact.
I'm not sure you know how facts work While highly unlikely, it's not completely impossible that the leafs could win the cup next year. There is a 0% chance they blow the entire team up next year. I say they are at least 2 seasons away from a ground up rebuild, assuming next season goes poorly.
OP comment is the literal opposite of fact.
@@phild4186 they can't get out of round 1 and teams below them all got better. At best they are a wild card team next year.
@@phild4186 They ain't winning anything next year with that core of players. Look at all the teams currently remaining in the playoffs. They all have players who care more about the team than personal stats. They all have players who know how to rise up during big-time moments. Players like Nathan MacKinnon, Cale Makar, Alexander Barkov, Jake Guentzel, Brad Marchand, Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Matthew Tkachuk, Vincent Trocheck, etc. The Leafs have nobody on their team like those players I just mentioned. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have shown exactly ZERO ability to step up in big games.
@@phild4186 Denial isn't just a river in Africa 😉
Shanahan can't get anyone for Marner because he overpaid him and retained him when they should've of traded him. Now that his value has declined, Shanny is at an impasse: Let Marner leave without compensation or resigns him and repeats the same cycle of mediocrity. He is the architect of this mess.
So the Ballard days are back lmfao.
Steve Dangle is my spirit animal.
Is anyone tired of hearing players and the coach saying we are so close? Close to what? The 2nd round? You need to win 3 rounds just to reach the cup final. Shanahan should have been fired!
What about Dangle and his screaming gimmick?
Do you think anyone is tired of that.
Adam, very well spoken here and interesting dialog
I think it is a problem when you sell out every home game, even though you cannot do squat in the postseason. Where is the incentive to win? The fans want it of course, but there is basically no incentive. T.O. probably needs a second team, that could shake things up? hmmmmm....
I mean the incentive to win is that the money mlse would generate from a deep playoff run or a cup is astronomical. Sure they are making money but don't think for 1 second they don't want more.
Gender confused teachers union does it know what the f*** they're doing.
The problem is that players are paid for the regular season NOT for playoffs..
How do people actually think like this? Trying to imply that a deep playoff run wouldn't generate huge amounts of extra revenue on top of the regular season? Sorry but you need to think about this one a little harder. There is no conspiracy here.
@@jefflantz666 it isn't that a deep playoff run wouldn't generate a tone more cash - it is that the status quo is SAFER than making a bunch of changes that might not pay off, and could mean less bums in seats, less sponsor revenue, etc. Mgmt types are risk averse generally - if they are already doing very well, they will not want to risk eroding the revenue base (and their bonuses...). This is why they don't materially change anything, they don't know what will happen if they change things.
You can't just throw money at the problem and expect a Cup win.
In the Leafs' case, they threw money at a problem that didn't even exist. The team was nicely progressing through their rebuild with Marner, Matthews and Nylander, and Dubas thought it'd be a great idea to throw $11M at Tavares. And that deal wound up setting up an internal pay hierarchy for this team.
Doing a podcast with that guy must be difficult 😂 good on the two side hosts for keeping their cool and putting him in his place about the raptors sheeesh
Maybe the new coach WONT put the fourth line out right after scoring a very important goal. How many times did we see that this season and in the playoffs
That’s a really good point. Wonder how it would’ve played out and wonder if Marner could be coached a different way in the playoffs would that have made all the difference in the world.
Keith Pelley won't fire his Shanashield this year just like Brad didn't fire his Sheldonshield last year. And next year when Tavares comes off the books they can start making some real change with real cap space. Till then they're gonna hold fast and try to do the bare minimum to appease the masses.
which scares me about Marner. If we keep him another year I'm just done watching. We won't win with this team clearly.
Agree there's a disconnect between bottom line and the need to compete. Great saying for the Leafs: "They are an abomination in sports".
Months before HHOF Lou was hired the Leafs selected Marner instead of Zach Werenski. You start a rebuild from the net out.
As a Habs fan .. I truly believe that Matthews and Marner are the team cancer ...I know I know Matthews scored 69 goals but he's like Ovechkin in playoffs.. ALWAYS in a hurry to leave..just my take
As a Leaf fan, I think you are right.
Ovechkin-like or not, Matthews is a great player. So is Marner, but nobody likes him anymore. I wouldn't call either a cancer. I don't think there is a cancer on this team, but obviously, the salaries are too ridiculous here, so they have to cut for some cap space. Btw, Ovi won a cup.
@@Choochill took 14 years for Ovi to win The Cup. By that metric, Matthews still has 6 years; I hope it doesn't take that long lol.
If Mathews was like Ovechkin he would be scoring. Ovie has 70 something goals in 140 something games at around a PPG. And if Mathews was like Ovechkin he would be a Stanley Cup champ, and a Conn Smythe winner. Do you what a Conn Smythe trophy is?? Yea, I can't ever see one being in Mathews trophy case so he's basically nothing like Ovie in the playoffs😂
Bingo. Writing was on the wall when Matthews was ragged dolled and the rest of the Leaf bench looked on totally disinterested. Total disconnect between Matthews and the rest of the team. Remember why Lou and Babcock were trashed because Matthews wanted more ice time and Lou wanted to roll 4 lines.
Bringing back Shanahan reinforces the point that, with MLSE, winning is not the primary or sole objective. And, if it's not solely about winning, added layers of difficulty are added to the equation.
Love this 😁🇨🇦
Whatever happened to building from the net out? Draft and develop the lunch bucket crew...of who the captaincy should come from and they go out and get the elite scoring as needed. Pity...
Wow, what is Shanny still doing in the building?? I think I see what is going on here. This year they will blame it on Keefe(a year too late). Next year they will blame it on Marner(years too late). And on the 3rd year they will finally blame it on Shanny(many years too late). They are trying to stretch out the losing as long as they can while throwing the fans a bone here and there. I now expect nothing more to change. What a pathetic organization. They refuse to learn.
He is so correct
Friday Night live😁🇨🇦🇺🇸
What a bloody great question 😂here🔥🇨🇦
Just bring back the traditional socks and double waist stripes
Perceptions and expectations.
My guess is that shanahan is "on double secret probation". One year from now he's gone.
A+ Adam Wylde here. Very informative.
Jesse, also a fine job.
Unreal annoying Steve Dangle. Does the screaming part of his act still appeal to anyone?
Asking the above in good faith
Steve figuring it out that it's always about the bottom line - it's too risky for the MLSE to do what needs to be done for the Leafs to win.
Then, as Steve said, they need to get out of the sports business and run grocery stores. This is a results-based business and they're screwing over the fans by not icing a team that has a legit chance to win a cup. They'll give out all these high-priced contracts to their beloved Core 4, which was beyond stupid, but they're too damn scared to put together a team that can contend. Next year, they're going waste away another year of having arguably the best goal scorer because they're too scared to make changes.
And the fans love of this team and selling out games and filling Maple Leafs Square is exactly what is incentivizing them to continue to not make changes.
We're in that cycle again ladies and gents...
"The regular season is making enough money. Quiet down peasants."
- David Ballard.
(Probably)
When you set the bar low, improvement is easy. Before Shanny the bar was low, now it has slightly higher. MLSE's goal is padding their pockets 1st, winning 2nd.
06:53 The problem with the Leafs: Is because they should have brought in Lou Lamoriello before the 2015 draft and never replaced him with Dubas. Lou sunk the Leafs to get Matthews and two years later the Leafs had 49 wins. The team had good splits between lines. There was stable leadership from management. The Leafs have 4 more years of Matthews, at the moment no stable goaltending, no stable defensive corp, 2.5 lines and a team build for the regular season. Brad didn't go all in this year because he knew the Leafs were not anywhere near good enough for a deep playoff run. The 2024-25 season may turn out to be a step backwards if both JT and MM stay.
Aerosmith Lyrics says it all
Fate comes a-knockin', doors start lockin'
Your old-time connection change your direction
Ain't gonna change it, can't rearrange it
Can't stand the pain when it's all the same to you, my friend
It's the same old story
Same old song and dance, my friend
It's the same old story, same old story
Same old song and dance
Watching Boston & Florida play last night showed one thing! They're on a different planet than the Leafs! Dubas' plan was pathetic. Not tough enough!! Hmmmmmmm, First time GM in Dubas, First time coach in Keefe, first time President in Shanahan? 2 out of 3 are gone!! Let's make it a tri-fecta!! I'm glad to hear the Max and Bert want to come back. Those 2 with Matthews were an actual first line with potency! Put Marner and Traveres on the 3rd or 4th lines. Knies was a beast with Nylander. So tough to see guys we should've kept do well with other teams. We should've done all we could to keep Hyman. Bettman's got to go!
Adam was right
Most NHL teams NEED the playoff revenue. The Maple Leafs DO NOT. How much more money will it cost the Leafs to even reach the Stanley Cup finals?? Does that outweigh the increased revenue. The owners are business people, this is what they analyze.
It would cost them less money compared to what they would make if the team did get to the cup final. And let's get it straight. They're paying 3 forwards, soon to be 4, over close to $11M or more a year, but now they're supposedly worried about spending to have the team truly be able and reach a cup final?
Can we just concentrate here🔥😄🇨🇦
Oh, hello, Mr. Shanahan.
Why, yes, I would like fries with my burger... 🍟🍔
You’re looking at it the wrong way.
Why would Keith Pelley go to the board, after only 6 weeks on the job, and ask them to fire Shanahan with only 1 year left on his deal? It doesn’t make sense to do that now
It would make perfect sense when you look at the results. He's been there 10 years, and the team has won one playoff series. This is a results-based business. And this team doesn't have the results. They're not even sniffing a cup.
1/3 of the board is wrong... Personally I know 2 MLSE execs.. They were keeping Shanahan regardless. Keith Pelley wants a full year.
If sponsorship is so expensive at this point, the cost to sponsor a Cup Winner would further inflate....winning boosts the bottom line too, the motivation should be there if for nothing more than shoveling more money into the MLSE vault...they will always spend to the cap and then some, the corporate incentive to win remains
Who knows wait and see
Dubas wasnt fired ; he walked. Can you believe that lol
This Dangle guy sounds like Seth Rogen.
No sports censorship 😂🇨🇦🔥🇺🇸
10 years ago Florida Panthers were garbage. And has made more progress than the Leafs. Same amount of time Brendan Shanahan has been running the Leafs, into the ground.
Word on the street Chief is on his way
what's your source? I'm hoping you're right.
@@HouseHippoWrangler he's not much better. Another first round exit on the way.
@mistarrred I might be missing something. By Chief, I thought that was Shanny is out. If that is someone else, I take it back. My mistake.
@@HouseHippoWrangler I think Chief is Berube
No 😂why I'm here 🇨🇦🔥
It's 😂called the Stanley cup baby and 😄🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸
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I saw this already before
😂tough crowds 😁🇨🇦🥊
Matthew and Marner are regular season only stars. Playoffs are too physical for those two soft players. They will never be playoff types.
you guys don't get that there is a non-zero possibility new management and, or new players is going to result in regular season failure... possibly for decades... hashtag try being a chicago blackhawks fan...
One more sleep here🇨🇦🥊😁
Why can an expansion team win a cup ( Vegas ) and the leafs can’t with all the money they have 🤔
Look at Hal Steinbrenner....Yankees r most profitable Mlb team of any and he wants Results
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Im waiting for treliving to dismantle the like he did the flames. Mathews for Staal. Marner for a 4th and 7th. Nylander for jenner and a 5th. Get ready to see the leafs get imploded because the front office cant take the blame for not providing the tools to win
@ 7:14 "Monetarily right now, The Leafs are successful.... And that's what they're looking at..."
Yes. That. Right there. They are making money. So, nobody in that board room wants to rock the boat TOO hard.....
Sure, you can sit there and say look, 2nd round, 3rd round, we make A LOT of money from that.... Why aren't we DOING that.....
But at the same time.... The Fans are angry.... Fire the coach. That's the answer in a lot of sports, at a lot of levels.... You can't fire all the players.... So you fire the coach.
I think what Steve misses here a little bit, is that, in the big board meetings, on the 78th floor of a money tower somewhere.... Do they really REALLY want to win the Stanley Cup??? Does that question really frame EVERY decision??? I think the answer is no. I think they wanna keep making money. It's good enough to have a great regular season, get into the playoffs, and hey, whatever.... Someday we'll get lucky and go deep, and win it all, but for now, sure, we'll TAKE that... big regular seasons, playoff appearances....
I don't see much value in getting rid of Shanahan. I think the failures of this team have been largely unrelated to his decision making. I think his only shortfall was not firing Keefe last season, but maybe Treliving wanted to give him a shot/didn't have the time to bring someone else in. I know it's a little delusional but I really think this team is a coach and some cap space (cough Mitch marner cough) away from being a legitimate playoff team.
Also to say tfc loses money is incredibly misleading. They bought a franchise for $10milion and is now worth almost $700million. Come on…
Steve still frustrated...
Ah yes the leaf stuff is leafing everything seems leafs up
Thank you for perfectly illustrating why the Leafs will never win, cause that's not what ownership cares about most, period. Delicious 😝
Dubas was the BIG mistake. Right from the time he was picked over Lamoriello. Look at all the fruitless trades he made and the missing draft picks for years. Give Treliving some time.
Dufus was let go because he wanted Shanny job
what is this flood of videos
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This line of discussion is a moot point. "Stability"...pfft. The Leafs are a cash cow. If they clean house and start tanking they remain a sellout arena and keep selling merch. We've seen it in the past. Results are the only thing that should matter, ESPECIALLY when talking financially, because imagine HOW MUCH MORE they could be making if they iced a Stanley Cup Champion team. Give me a break.
This didnt age well... feel like i should tell em Keefe got fired
Some Leafs fans get caught up in this weird fetishization of the corporate side of hockey. This literally happens nowhere else
Because it only exists in Toronto
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And this is why the Canadian markets shouldn't blame the refs or Bettman for why they can't win the cup. It's self-inflicted wounds. You have ownership groups that are more concerned about the bottom line than they are about contending. They'd rather be safe then try to go all in.
Shanny wil get extended and they will run it back with the core four
So all you guys posting videos discussing the Leafs IN ANY WAY only contributes to the bottom line for MLSE. All they need is to have people talking about the team and continuing to talk about the organization. In this case, FOR SURE, there’s no such thing as BAD PRESS. This will continue for the foreseeable future…
Dubas cost the penguins the playoffs 100 percent
Dangle where in the fck do u live bro?
Where is mr roarke and Tatoo ?
Buddy how old ru six ? When the fck is anything about anything Other than money
Bring someone else in,, Shanahan get rid off him,,
Dude, take the picks, prospects and cap space by trading Marner and Nylander and bring in Guentzel, Marchessault and Montour.
I LOVE the guy so much, but Adam was a bad take firehose for pretty much this entire episode lol.
His take was mostly just sharing the perspective of the board and why they might justify little, if any, change. I don’t think it was his personal opinion
His take was reality over emotions.
Shanny will be demoted to coach
Thank God that Marleau trade with a 1st round pick didn’t come back to bite the Leafs. Oh wait that pick turned into Seth Jarvis
What is with the guy in the beard! He doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. This isn’t basketball. This is not the Raptors. Just because he spouts off with the NHL makes a year that’s the only thing he said of any relevance
Calm down Dangle!
You continue to attempt to upstage everyone.
Normal and controlled conversation is great.
You have abnoxious leadership that take no accountability . In Boston there is accountability
Lol typical delusional fans, they're in the entertainment business, the bottom line is all that has ever mattered and nobody is willing to change the team in risk of them losing/making angry fans if the team gets worse. They'd rather play it safe as teams do n have lost money n that's LOSING to them, not W n Ls on some schedule score sheet.
Dubas Sucks
My kids love the Leafs but I don't let them watch this podcast because of the unnecessary profanity.
Ok great thanks for letting us know.
I agree, it isn't necessary. But this is 2024, and people talk this way among friends. Not a good podcast for kids tho.
@@billsmith3182 Just my 2 cents worth.
@@ChoochillI understand . There is zero swearing on Steve's LFR, which we thoroughly enjoy watching.
Yup, I won’t subscribe to this one. My 10 year old goalie devours everything hockey on youtube but is only allowed to view what I subscribe to. The f bombs are pretty disappointing. Typically a strong indicator of a lack of vocabulary/intelligence.
Brendan shanahan done
Keeping Brendan shanahan what a joke
I like shanny. The players are the issue . Dubas is the issue for giving the players theese contracts
Bring in someone to manage the cap situation.
The politics and the culture behind the scenes set by MLSE ownership (Rogers and Bell) is the issue. Lou Lamorello left because he probably didn't like the circus behind the scenes in the board rooms. Ownership isn't going away. So the problem with the Leafs will remain.
Who do you think approved Dubas to give out those contracts. The team president, Shanahan. Why do you think Dubas shown the door? He was finally willing to break up the Core 4 and wanted autonomy to be able to do it, and Shanahan said no and fired him. And then he brings in Treliving, knowing it's going to take him time to get settled with the organization and that he won't have enough awareness of the situation to make any changes to the Core 4 before their NMCs kicked in. Shanahan has put the Core 4 above the Maple Leafs.