Do You Still Trust The Shanaplan? | SDP
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss whether or not they believe in Brendan Shanahan still following his comments made during Friday's press conference.
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Who believes Pelley - "We're not here to sell jerseys".. I sure don't!
and overpriced beer and tickets
The reason the "core 4" strategy hasnt worked is because a team isnt made up of 4 players. It's pretty simple
should call them the "Bore 4"
Lack of a great goalie and defenders is a huge reason.
@@dcepshn And they can't acquire a good goalie or good defender because over half their cap is devoted to Core 4.
NO! Ten years…my patients is running thin with him!
Shanaplan = keeping his job no matter what results happen on the ice.
Keeping Shanahan is literally the definition of insanity
If Dubas and Keefe were still around, agree with you 100%. But as a new manager of an organization (Pelley), you don't fire the ONLY FREAKING GUY with any contextual knowledge of the recent organizational history. Shanahan's plan could be terrible, but fire him NEXT year, not NOW.
Firing Shanahan AND Keefe with a GM one-year in under a new MLSE manager? THAT would be insanity! Message to UFA players and their agents? STAY FAR AWAY. Message to fans? No one cares. Teams win games. Fans don't.
Plus the gm has a history of moving franchise players for older degraded players of lesser value. Johnny hockey and Tkachuk from the flames. Regardless of the coach, leafs wont hit 50 wins, maybe even not the playoffs
@@user-lg1rd7jb5m Gaudreau left in free agency. And Tkachuk had full control of where he wanted to be traded to. You can't really blame Treliving for that move. You can blame Treliving for choosing not to sign Tkachuk long-term extension in 2019 when he had made it clear he did want to stay. But Treliving wanted to keep money on-hand to re-sign Michael Frolik.
@@pomerlain8924 under trelving watch loet his core players. Good gm to have
I'd love a reporter to ask this... "Mr Shanahan, you are paid $2.5 million a year to be the final decision maker on this team. You've been at the helm for 9 years. You're a former Stanley Cup champion. How is it, that you're just seeing this "pattern" now, but every Leaf fan across Canada, watching at home or at the bar, knew what direction this team needed to go & would have excuted that direction many years ago and you didn't but are doing so now?"
Never did trust the Shanaplan. Tavares signing during the rebuild was the beginning of the end
Yep. And they didn't need him. They could have used that money to go after a free agent top pairing d-man that they sorely needed.
Agree. Super dumb signing and it apparently came with a one win in round 2 clause.
Since the Core 4 proved they were playoff disappointments while losing to Columbus years ago - how could anyone trust Leaf Executives without any Leaf Core 4 upgrades? 😀
When are we getting the MLH schedule?
I just signed a multi-year deal with a full no compete clause today!!!
Shanahan is a die hard Detroit Red Wing Alumni.
His heart and soul is not out for the Toronto Maple Leaf organization just his pocket book.
Steve dangle for leafs head coach
.lol i would love to see him freaking out on the bench
IF YOURE A GOAL TENDER, TEND THE GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Steve dangle 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 ya so true
What’s that thing called where you keep getting lied to but you keep listening to the liar hoping that one day they won’t be lying?!
a toxic relationship lol
Gaslighting?
Trump voters?
@@SamiJuntunen1 Muhahaha!!!
From an outside perspective, the Shanaplan was dead last year or even 2 years ago. The fans were too close from the problem to see the entirety of it and this is the problem....The Leafs are build for the season and to be flashy, but not for the playoff and they have low compete. It's not just bad cap management, that doesn't help of course, but it's also chemistry and culture management. That being said, this series had so good positive. You now know who have some compete in the Leafs...Nylander and Knies !! And you know who got to go, Tavares and Marner !! Also most team right now work with a goalie 1A and 1B or something close to that...i'm not saying the Leafs doesn't have the potential to have that, but they need to move pieces to do it...Last thing, Keefe should have been fired after the loss versus Montréal for one simple reason, he doesn't adapt his line well in a game like most other coach in the league right now. Even Ducharme did it in that serie by building a super defensive line with Danault, Gallagher and Byron or Lekhonen to suffocate Matthews and Marner...The change will be good for Toronto !!
So true
The Shanaplan was dead the minute he hired Kyle Dubas to be his GM.
@@wizzerwiser2056 It was dead when they decided to sign Tavares to at $11M for 7 years.
@@pomerlain8924 Dubas would still have fucked up if they never signed JT. And the JT signing was Shanahan's decision.
Why did Pelley, notably, multiple times cop to only being here a month. Why would MLSE hire a guy who presumes to know diddly squat about not just the last ten years of the Shanny reign but Leaf history in general??? Not a hire I would make, nor would I comment "sorry, I don't know shyte, only been here a month." Pelley has prior tenure within the ranks of the stakeholders and Toronto sports. What a crock. Big moves are called for and instead he cops out.
Remember what we got back for trading Kadri? NOTHING. Remember waht we got for Kessel? NOTHING. Remember what we got for Hyman? NOTHING. What will we get for trading Marner?? .........
2 of the 3 have also won cups.
3rd just scored 50 goals this season.
The draft picks they gave up for kessel makes it even worse.
(Dougie Hamilton/Tyler Seguin)
………
Try not remembering too much it gets pretty bad.
Answer: no. The management team seems to be circling the wagons to protect themselves.
You think?! Keefe was the obvious scapegoat. Next year it will be Treliving.
Bringing in Joe Thornton, and Patrick Marleau is unironically kind of hilarious.
The Leafs Management wanted to bring in people who could surround the young corps with leadership and a drive to win, and they brought in two of the players who are the most synonymous with choking in the NHL playoffs to lead them.
Joe Thornton is a man-child who cries and takes cheapshots when he loses and has never won anything in his life. The fact he was brought in for leadership is definitely hilarious.
We also traded a 1st with Marleau that turned out to be Seth Jarvis 😫😫😫
@@christopherrego8706 Its amazing how the MLSE run the Leafs. If this was any business they would have been let go for utter incompetence. This is not on management. This is all on Leafs Nation for continuing to fill the ACC. They buy into a product that's crap year after year.
Matthews getting that ridiculous contract was the beginning of the end. He could have been given a low $$$ contract and then other players would take less $$$ too
Paying your players that much when they haven't won anything is ridiculous, I get paying 1 or 2 franchise FACES that much, cause they get bums in seats and sell merch. BUT 4?!
@@ouromov2895 BUMS
You are such a parent, Steve, and I love it. Please keep the "I'm raising a child" references coming.
Everyone has their own agenda by contract in this organization. Its a cash cow so they will work it this way as long as they possibly can if their contract is uncontested or enriched.
Nothing will change so long as Leafs Nation tolerate the losing and continue to fill the ACC.
SHANAHAN is a mole…Detroit Op! He’s always a day late a dollar short!
All his career, playing and afterwards, Shanascam has always been a Leafs Killer. This is all on Leafs Nation for continuing to fill the ACC.
I love it! Dont change anything Toronto next year is your year right?
Shanahan rumoured to be working on a cover of "Tomorrow" from the musical Annie.
"I don't see...any method...at all, sir." - Apocalypse Now
Time for the board of directors to get more diverse.
1000% agree with steve on getting craig behind the bench. the laugh... i mean leafs... need that "in your face, hellfire and brimstone, take no prisoners" kick in the ass to get back on the horse and stop being 1st round golfers every year.
It will be: We tried to make changes but due to contract restrictions, we cannot do it. May be next year...
100% this is a mercy killing for a Canadian hockey legend. Shanahan is being allowed to bow out gracefully but he is on the way out.
Joonas Korpisalo had two shut-outs in the five game series win over the leafs. The first game and the final game.
Oh and I kept hearing how many expected goals that Matthews had versus the Habs. He had one Actual goal in seven games.
Taking responsibility comes off as hollow when you face no consequences while doing so.
Steve has to drop the covid excuse
Looking to Montreal was the time to change. It showed all their weaknesses.
Loosing
Love Steve Simmons. When I was in Calgary he was the best print guy there.
The Coach won't make the difference. They paid too much, too early to guys who had won zero.
The time to change it was after they lost to Columbus. They never should have signed Tavares. In the next couple years some useful UFA defensemen came on line that would have been better, more useful signings. Toronto had the third best offense in the league and they added a too expensive veteran point a game center to that. Their offense improved a little though they finished fourth in league scoring that year.
As a jets fan I knew silovs from last world championships where Silovs was amazing for Latvia
And the Leafs should aquire Laurent Brossoit
What you can't have is 4 players taking up half your salary cap and expect to win. Raises to Matthews and Nylander will be 2 million more then what cap is going up. So even less money next year to fill out a roster. Good luck with that.
Clipping vids?
I trust him more than your source of MLH.
About that Berube game 7 speech. Boston kicked the Blues up and down the ice in the first period of that game 7. Binnington made him look good by stealing the game.
The teachers ran the Loafs better than these ding dongs ever have.
Maybe something will now un-tighten Shanahan's trading-sphincter. That's the dirty area Brendan has been afraid to go to.
Nobody took a team friendly discount. Despite not making in past the first round except once. We don’t care about regular season stats (and they dont even win division) Marner is a 10 mill player in regular season, 7 mill player in playoffs. We signed a deal like he was a top 5 players in the league. Just losing Marner for draft picks and using the money on two defenseman would make the team miles better.
If they are going to trade away Marner, they need to lose his contract too.
Blues were first in the division covid year, then we gave the canucks confidence to keep their core together no matter how bad the were over the last 4 years.
The Shana- plan worked , it totally sunk the leafs
Shanascam = Titanic 🚢
The Leafs need a Mike Keenan. (Who, by the way, is coaching in the Italian league right now).
Oh yes 😂 the group that thought Babcock was too mean is going to be able to handle iron mike 🤣
Yeah that's not even worth thinking about
Leafs need a Jukka Jalonen from Finland, Check his credits
Babcock told Marner to list his teammates in order of work ethic and then talked to the team about the list. Mike was tough. But he didn't do that. And if they are talking Berube, close enough.
Leafs had Mike Babcock. But he was mean to Mitch. So got fired. Mitch is treated like a God. All hail the Mitch.
I take complete responsibility.. which is why I fired Sheldon 😂
Hope the new coach has his coaching "self preclaimed gods" ticket. All others will fail too!
This whole episode could be summed up in 4 numbers. 1967
Yup
Besides Roy there isn't a d-man the leafs should be committed to long term. 25-26 season with almost 22M coming off the cap and a lot of UFA d-men contracts up this is the year the leafs can build a great team. trade Marner and JT at the TDL with retention for some top picks and players.
Something I think people are missing is the media won’t show the coach yelling at the team. How I know this is a friend of mine had Keefe as his coach and he has a crazy temper and used to yell at his team behind the scenes. Not sticking up for Keefe as I think his decision making isn’t good and the system the team plays hasn’t worked for years. Has nothing to do with the way he talks to his team cause we only see a fraction of it.
Yes I do . Shanny is a champion.
The real question is, do we still trust Steve with making up leagues in his own head?
I don't even think Matthews should be off the table (I get it, it's probably not a feasible trade). By the time he gets the heart to win, he will no longer have the physical skills due to his age. And unlike past Leaf over-the-hill veteran trades, we'll have done it to ourselves. These guys aren't kids any more and nobody is afraid of facing this core in the playoffs. The only place where people still revere this core is in Toronto for some reason. Everybody else knows they're a big joke and look forward to playing them. The only place I see hope in the Leafs is outside the core: Domi, Woll, etc. Keep them. Blow up the core.
I preface this with the fact that I am not a Leafs fan and from an outsider looking in, the Leafs will continue to lose until they change the culture around the entire organization. The major problem I see is that the ownership knows despite what type of product they put on the ice, the arena is going to sell out, so why bother worrying about whether or not the team is going to be a winner or not? A hire like Rod Brindamour is the type of coach that can change the culture of an organization and there are not many others in my opinion.
Say Brendan and not Brandon challenge: impossible
Toronto needs to draft players when they get the chance to draft. I realize it don't have any draft picks right now. But they need to go after the grittier type of players that are not afraid to go in to the front of the net and take what's coming for them. There, those are the ones that win in the playoffs. Not the dipsy doodle around the edge. We got lots of those guys. And we can't score when the? Crease gets tight
Get GM Jarmo Kekäläinen and Finnish Coach Jukka Jalonen!!! Check his Credits. Greetings from Helsinki, Finland🇫🇮🇨🇦🇫🇮🇨🇦
Shanahan was in over his head from day one. He had no experience winning from the coaching or management side of the game. Look at Vancouver. That team was in a complete mess two years ago. They finally put a guy in charge who had a clue about running a hockey team. No they won't win a cup this year but the entire organization is miles ahead of where it was.Toronto needs their own Jim Rutherford to take control of all aspects of hockey operations and make real change. Until then, get use to the same old same old.
Blowing up the core does not guarantee victory or loss nor doing keeping it together. Alex Ovechkin played for a decade before he won. Until he won, people were saying he would never win. Same with Ray Bourque. Other teams keep their players. Leafs fans have to play the blame game and scape goat a player or players for a season's loss and demand that player be run out of town. Then the player "who would never win", is seen hoisting the cup with his new team proving Leafs fans wrong. I am old enough to remember that in 1994 after making it to Round 3 in back to back seasons, Leafs fans demanded change to get them to the next level. Well they got change alright and trades were made. The core was blown up. At the time I argued against blowing up the core back in 1994 despite being in the minority. I was an idiot I was told. I did not know anything. Yet history proved me right. The team got worse. 1995 they got blown out in round 1. 1996 blown out in round 1. Then missed the playoffs in 1997 and 1998. OOOPS. That did not go as planned. Do you F****King see what I am getting at. I almost hope they do trade Marner, he goes on to win the cup while the Leafs miss the playoffs and if that happens I will have my told ya so moment. AGAIN.
Just like Keefe.. he should’ve been gone years ago! Holland too but the Oilers made a grave mistake by extending him another 5..
10 years and 1 billion tears. Change it up like Bruce Jenner.
What exactly is the Shanaplan?
To keep his own job no matter what happens on the ice.
No I don't, Shamahan has to go, he is the architect of this team!
Who trusted it to this point?
You can't get too hung up on pre-game talks. Scotty Bowman before game 7 in 2002 between Detroit and Colorado decided to make the players laugh. No fire and brimstone, he went in looking to find something humorous.
You cant trade your way to a Stanley cup.
Trade marner, trade Tavares, get $23 million in cap space to give to depth players that would be first liners on other teams.
Here is what I wanted to hear: "Time to change direction unfortunately we tied our own hands with the contracts we agreed to and there is little we can do until July 1st 2025. What we can do the next season is develop the talent we have in the Leaf's system. Brendan Shanahan has been released". Leaf fans are going to be looking for a change in direction next season and it is not going to happen. That should have been addressed by Leaf management.
Vegas signed Hanifin. Leafs should go after Dillon and DeMelo and trade for a quality starter goaltender who can play 40 plus games a year.
Now I know why San Jose never won anything. Makes perfect sense.
..8 years..of incompetence..and then..drive the tired and banged up team to chase Mathews 70...had they rested Mathews and Nylander who knows what happens with the Bruins..
Give him another season, let’s see what management can do with that blue line and cap space, another first or second round exit and Shanahan needs to update his resume
They have been saying that for a few years now. This year is the last year of his contract.
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX next year Tavares’ contract comes off the books, they’ll have the finances to make changes to the roster without Shanahan.
If Shanny stays, nothing is going to change for the better. But for that matter our players are the problem anyways.. no coach or owner or board or president can make a person have heart, soul, a spine, and to be hungry. Our silver spoon crew will never do anything when it matters.
NO it was never a plan just a going through the motions thing
Should have been fired when he hired Dubas
There can be only 1 winner!Who knew😮❤1 goal away from being a winner When it comes down to a tied series.With a 1 goal ot win!Fire them all!😮😢❤
To get rid of samsonov is a horrible decision. We have woll but he's prone to injuries but Sammy and woll in my opinion would be a winning duo
Are they? Sammy stunk during the Boston series and Woll, as usual, was hurt when you need him the most. But don't worry, they kept Shanascam. So nothing will change.
I've never been a fan of Shanahan, back to his playing days.
Neither was I. He was an amazing Leafs Killer. Now he's running the Leafs. Figure that out.
shanaplan? is that the one where u spend dozens of picks to get 6th dmen like lubby and dismiss tanev (who would have cost half the picks and is playing top 3 min on one of the best teams of the last 10 years??)?!?!? LOL...nice plan. like trading sandin for guff then not playing guff. brilliant. also, signing domi and reaves for the same salary as an o'reilly...brilliant! more of those plans please! 6 d every year that cant make a pass over more than one line...only airmail and board wrappers--awesome in 1977 hockey!
Absolutely not - not another 10 years wipe the board and start with new management in my opinion
Why haven't the leafs made it, simple answer. You have 4 players making over 10 million a year and they don't back check it or body check. The effects are you can't get players to do that do to lack of funds. So forget about getting a goalie that can stop the puck.
Notwithstanding the Covid cap disaster, and injuries to star players in the playoffs, the only person who deserves to be fired is Shanahan. The Leafs GM and coaching was fine, and now that Shanny feels he’s forced to change the core, it’s just going to make things worse. They were an OT goal away from the second round, and were missing two of their top players in the series. The contracts are expiring in a year anyway, and they can let Tavares go, and re-sign Marner. Does anyone think the Leafs will be better without Marner? It’s absurd, and these MGMT guys are just protecting their own asses. Shanahan’s contract ends in a year, and I’m betting it won’t be renewed, regardless of outcomes this coming season.
Let’s see if the leafs actions match their words for once
What words? The same crap every year. Where have you been?
maybe poke around with a gibson deal to toronto?
Spend that money maybe one day it will work?
Pelley is already messed up, keeping brendan and brad
the shine has been off Shana scam for sometime now
Absolutely not.
We're paying top dollar to these players that are delivering below average playoff results.
Mitch Marner isn't even worth half of his contract. He makes almost $2.5 mil more than Leon Draisaitl lmao!
I'd trust the Shanahaplan if Vegas wasn't able to do it half the time.
Oh? Vegas got to pick their roster?
So can every other GM in the league.
He vetod decisions that were trying to be made by the GM. He is a direct result of the failure of a core sticking together. Don’t understand why you would keep him
Just how did Covid bone this team more than anyone else
When they had signed Marner, Matthews and Tavares to their big contracts, they were expecting the cap to keep increasing. And when COVID hit, it lead to a flat cap, which strangled their cap space. Hence, they had to let a guy like Hyman walk.
But no other teams were stupid enough to even put themselves in that position by devoting all that cap space to forwards. And the Leafs front office was too inept to make changes after 2021 or 2022, when they still had all the leverage.
Toronto must be motivated to at least win the President’s trophy in the upcoming season. The corrupt NHL apparently is getting some rumblings of competition in professional hockey.
I get the frustration with Shanny, but firing him now would be INSANE from a business perspective. You have a new guy running MLSE, just fired your coach, and the GM has had one season to tinker. Keith Pelley has been running MSLE for what, four weeks, and you want him to dump the ONLY remaining source of stability in the entire organization?!?
Look, this isn't a reflection on Shanahan's plan. It may indeed suck. But you simply don't fire him now. Unless some law were being broken, NO ONE in this position would be fired now.
I am sorry, I respect your opinion, but anybody can be replaced, including Brendan Shanahan. He has had ten years of stability. The time is now to try something else. Fire his ass today.
Between Pelley (CEO & President) & Treliving (GM).. why do we even need him?
@@tomdixon1213 I was just speaking from the point of view of Pelley. He needs to absorb info about the Leafs like a sponge, and quickly. Dumping Shanahan wouldn't advance that objective. Over the summer? Start of next season? Different question, because time has passed, and I'd be more inclined to agree with you. I think the decision weighing on Pelley will be to placate fan revolt by firing Shanahan, or limit the rapid change by assessing the new coach and GM's second year.
I'm also no defender of Shanahan. I think his biggest mistake was firing Babcock for hurting Marner's feelings. I wasn't a Babcock slappie (hell, we had him in Detroit), but am rapidly becoming one. The internet has basically crucified the dude's career because "he was a meanie" and "he looked at phones". LMAO.
@@lornestein7248 Interesting point, and different question. If a position is redundant, it should be eliminated.
He’s more to blame for the way the team has preformed than Keefe! Insane amount of money invested in 4 players that constantly disappoint and disappear when the games matter most. Toronto Fans as a whole want you gone!!!!
When Shanny says there is a time to be patient and a time to realize a change is needed because of certain patterns have recurred, he of course should understand that there never was a time to be patient with this core, let alone overpay them early on. In other words he was wrong years ago and has lost what is left of his credibility. Time to gtfo.
I am afraid he ain't going anywhere.
Shanahans ego led them down this path ...smh
MLSE is making lots of money off this "brand " of the Leafs...but the Tavares signing set the new floor for all other players....big mistake...and he needs to be held accountable!
Your hatred of edmonton just feeds us
No
Do you still trust the MLH?