Exactly. So they price them high because they can't price them low enough to make it worth it to constantly buy more. Even at $15 per box (I cant imagine them being lower than that since quality playing cards are that much) how many times would you buy them before you gave up and just printed out the latest balance data slates anyway?
Have you seen their website? I bet high schooler could code a better webpage. They are just taking the same play every large corporation is doing, price gouging till they see a sale drop off.
@@thatsheresy I'm sure their shareholders would be more pleased with them not pushing away customers, scaring away newbies or failing to capitalise on the success of SM2. GW could have improved sales by releasing the Tsons codex since they are in game or creating a Titus (or even a whole squad) mini with basic paints and brushes included but instead they are more anti-consumer at a time where super high detail and quick printers like the Saturn 4 Ultra are out.
Yeah I am torn by this. I get why people would want to 3d print all this stuff. On the other hand, it will destroy the whole Warhammer franchise (at least the tabletop). Though these high prices are really not justified.
@@liepsan Yea we all love Warhammer, but things like One Page Rules and other things will just ultimately benefit from their greed. You go take a look at One Page Rules and their army builder its so easy to get started having fun.
@@liepsanthey have too much momentum, and their shareholders require continual gains every quarter, for them to do anything radical. And how many people can't be bothered to get a printer, especially set up a resin printer safely? Or search out good STLs or an Etsy seller? It will be a subset who print for themselves, but it's when many gaming groups have a member willing to print stuff for their friends that GW will see sales dip. They're charging premium prices for items easily distributed by both PDF and STL, they need to find ways to keep consumers coming back instead of driving them away.
This costs you like 10$ max if you do it on a printer. Games workshop is really going to blockbuster themselves. They just refuse to interact or acknowledge printing and insist on driving players to the printing ecosystem. As soon as a company gets in and makes a 3D printed wargame to compete with warhammer.. like OPR.. you have the Netflix to GW’s blockbuster. It’s amazing to watch this train wreck of mismanagement happen in slow motion. They have all the information to avoid it, but they just insist on killing their own game and model line.
I was getting ready to actually buy a KT in earnest once v3 came out. Seeing this price jump is sending me straight back to my 3D printing friends. "I can't play in a tournament?" boo ho for me, half the teams I wanted to buy won't be tournament legal in 2 years anyways so I lost out on what, 3-4 local tournaments? Naw I'm firing up my 3D printer again and GW can explain to the hobby shops why we aren't there.
@@Keithslawinski just go to a OPR tournament if they have them in your area? Worrying about the tournament scene is like worrying about your blockbuster reward points. If the good players play elsewhere, the league doesn’t matter imo
Warhammer has been a price gouging scam for years. This is just proof. The quiet ‘these idiots will pay anything’ part out loud. The EA/Activision on wargaming.
They are killing the game in my area. A few hanging on to 40k but no one will bite on this due to cost. Plus those cards won't even be valid in 6 months due to rule tweaks.
Yea thats why i kind of got burnt out on playing it and just collect models. I dont always have time to play it often ao ill take breaks. And when i come back often therr is new rules new codexes and stuff. Cant keep up with it
Imagine your business model being “I’ll rip off my existing customers and do no work to acquire new ones”. With the success of Space Marine 2 GW could have brought in so many new players (AKA increased revenue) with a strategic price drop vs a price gouge.
I am literally an interested new player coming from SM2. I did try to get into it in college with a tau box but I didn’t have the time. Now I want to get into kill team with the Voltann. Thankfully that one is $65 but I keep hearing about the other purchases I would need. Would I just be able to go to the wah pedia site for the rules?
@@HighFlyBlueyeah, you can get pretty much any rules you want there. Most importantly, for older editions being preserved too. Also makes the rules just much more convenient in general compared to book format, with hyperlinking and all that.
@@scleless1342 new stuff is a mix of plastic and resin. (Most) Older stuff is whatever it was back in the day - that could be metal or plastic - old resin got updated into new resin. TOW prices are pretty weird. They range from God awful to some of the better deals GW has to offer.
@@WarHammerManI much prefer a hardbound book for reading, but there's no way I'm buying everyone's codex to ensure my opponent isn't cheating me. And a digital copy is far better for searching. Other companies give out digital product codes with their hard copies, why can't GW?
I was literally getting excited to play this game. The first GW game I've played in 10+ years, when I saw they were going to make the codex's online. Just buy a box of guys for $55 and a core set of tokens to get started? I can do that, then grow my teams over the years. Nope. GW doesn't do "things for the community". It's actually just as much $$$ as it was they just moved the prices around then put a 4 year time limit onto each team before they fail to the sure-to-come power creep. Enjoy your whales GW. I hope they keep you afloat because the 4 friends and I that were all looking to get into this game just walked.
ya they have made this mistake over and over with necromunda. they have a big launch, a bunch of excitement for a new edition, and then somehow drop the ball. this was a huge chance to revitalize the game, and grow the community, and yet somehow, they have managed to completely destroy the excitement of the community, over a couple extra $$
@@WarHammerMan YES Necromunda was the first game I wanted to play! Then I saw a $55 rule book + $50 dollar codex + $50 warband ($160+ initial investment with, or without a box set!) REALLY tough to sell that price point to 3-4 friends to TRY out a game many were on the fence about. When I learned KT was putting codex's online I thought "Ok this is finally a game with a low cost of entry. We can do this. We can actually play a GW game again. Easy rules so I'll buy the core book, then I ask a friend to just buy 1 box of guys and I'll bring the barricades and we will give it a shot". Then the 2 teams my friends wanted to play got put on the 2 years notice list, and now they are bumping the prices in a way that effectively offsets the old codex cost with new $45 equipment costs, and box sets going up by $20 Sorry I am spam posting, but I have to vent the rollercoaster I've been on with GW after re-following them for only 3 months
Always appreciate your commentary, you're 100% spot on regarding 40k players buying kill teams to put in their 40k armies. I definitely remember the Arbites release when they were one of the best troop choices in 40k and my local FLGS couldn't keep them in stock for all the meta-chasers. I'm hoping Kill Team continues to get support, especially the co-op mode, but I think you're right & that with this pricing GW is setting Kill Team up to fail.
Well don't forget that those killteams were pretty much auto-include for most of 9th/10th so far. The 40k rules for most of the teams were insane until recently.
lol 100%. i'm not buying any of these cards, what a joke. completely killed the excitement for the new edition. its necromunda all over again. GW never learns
Damn I was waiting for kill team 3rd edition to finally break into the hobby but with a + $100 entry lvl there is absolutely no way I can convince my friend to buy 😂
lol the way its going for you guys, prices are going to have commas soon... $1,000 not far out for the Aussies. its a shame. cheers, good luck breaking the news to the missus
This is completely absurd. It's crazy how they could make so much more money if they only made the hobby more accessible. I'm new to warhammer (space marine 2 andy), and this completely turns me off from playing on the table top. Not to mention that by the time i get an army painted, the rules might have already changed or might be close to changing. Lastly, I own a 3d printer, and I know for a fact that it doesn't cost 100+ dollars to squirt out a few plastic models.
ya the excitement of space marine 2 is great and all, but i def think its just going to make the community more toxic, and GW get even more crazy with their prices, and terrible business practices!
Anything is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. That's why housing is so expensive too. If enough people in a market system are willing to go deeply into debt over something, then eventually, you will have to, too, if you want to continue to participate
you're close, but price is what you pay, value is what you get. so its up to the individual to decide if the price, and value align, because value is subjective. cheers.
ya you can see it in the semi-annual report. they are claiming the profits are up, but clearly the volumes are falling, and the increased profits are from the jacked up prices. this never works in the long run.
The last big retcon on the Golden Boys got me to stop buying from GW cold turkey. I used to spend minimum at least $5-7k a year on GW products between me, my girl, and my brother. Now I buy everything recast and use older rules and homebrew for newer models. I do not regret the decision to drop GW and now I pay about 20% of market cost for same quality.
Those prices are nuts especially considering the ork commandos are about a hundred when the ork and Krieg starter is on Amazon at $88 for a year now and still up for that amount
GW is completely off its rocker if they think that this will equate to them making more money. They may make some from whales, but most whales already have their full compliment of kill team units for 40k.
ya i agree. the actual kill team community is extremely small. the TAM for Kill team cards is tiny, and if they are going to give the stuff away for free, but sell the cards at a massive premium, nobody is going to buy them
I was thinking about starting to learn kill team to get into actually playing 40k instead of only collecting miniatures but these prices sure is keeping me from doing that
I've been researching the 40k hobby. Was willing to spend a decent amount over time. I am not shy about spending on my hobby, but GW seems to be out of control with pricing and what is going on with Age of Sigmar.
I'm spending far less these days on GW products. Rather than looking at upcoming releases and thinking "I can't wait to get this!" instead I say "do I need this? can I afford this?" and I am their target audience with money in my wallet for hobbies. I can't be the only one who feels like this?
ya i think this is a really based take. most people including myself are doing the same thing. i have an "allocated weekly hobby budget" now i often find myself passing on things, i would have otherwise picked up. maybe my dragon horde has reached critical mass, or maybe GW is just overplaying its hand... but either way, you're not alone
I literally have not brought retail GW product in years save for new FEC, always second hand and I was hardcore customer since I was 15 no more cash for their shitty pots either. I have my 2-5 edition books and I dont need more.
ya i have been resizing and printing off the index cards for my 40k armies. waiting on the codex releases. at this rate, i'm about to boycott all card packs going forward. GW is delusional if they think people will snatch these up. its one thing to buy a few card packs for 40k or sigmar, where most people have only a couple armies. but with kill team, the appeal is supposed to be have a bunch of teams. no way i'm buying like a dozen card packs for $33 each. especially when i have all the cards they just made, that are suddenly useless.
@@WarHammerMan My lgs is doing the same thing. They're lax on 3d printing and other less official ways to play WH. Except for some official tournaments.
The disheartening part is really for the game organizers and ones who introduce people to the hobby. As one of the local “Kill Team guys” in my area, it’s usually up to me to buy, build, paint and set up the games so price increases always hit hard on me. Because it’s a great game and it’s hard for me to introduce other people to the game when they see how crazy the prices are getting.
yep. i've already seen a lot of the excitement for kill team fade. people are tired of GW's antics. one by one, its killing off the games, or pushing the customers to alternative systems, and models
@@WarHammerMan yeah, it's tough. I like to have an large variety of Kill Teams so when people learn the game, they have plenty of stuff to try out. As well as makes game nights with friends better because we have so many options. But I may need to just cut my losses and stick to KT21.
I'd love to buy a bunch of Warmhammer 40K sets but with how ridiculous their prices are I just refuse on principle. They mass produce this stuff.. it's cheap plastic. Their greed is costing them a lot of new and returning customers.
same. I was actually about to get back into the game via TK after over 10 years out of the hobby. Had 4 other friends that were interested too when I originally explained the new v3 TK's were just $55 a box, you could play with them forever, and wouldn't need a codex. Then I learned each box is only good for 2-4 years in any tournament capacity, and if you don't buy quick they prices are spiking. My friends just laughed at "classic GW" and we decided we're either not going to play, and if we do, we are just going to 3D print everything. Hope the GW whales can keep them afloat, because GW seems committed to keeping small fries like us keep small fries like us priced out.
Honestly? I miss the old edition of killteam. Literally one book which was like $50. It had all the army lists, and had pretty similar rules to regular 40K, so you could switch between the two super easily. If you really want to play a skirmish game, just download a pdf off any old site and play the old kill team. Don’t let people price gouge you for no reason ong
@Mosaic117 yea games workshop essentially has a monopoly. I would love tocplay cheaper games pile bolt action but you can hardly find people that will branch out
As someone who was building a Nightlord army a few months before the new killteam was announced but was only rumoured, I had got tired of holding off with no clear release date for me to use my store credit on building my army. So I bought 20 Legionaries with credit and another 10 with 10 raptors and just printed my own heads, shoulder pads and then just started printing and now own like 60 Legionaries and 30 chosen with 30 raptors and 20 warptalons and 20 terms. It's just easier and better to print rather than wait for GW to price gouge me. All up I spent 180 for the models I bought, store credit which was like 60 for the events I entered and 20 on resin. It's alot cheaper as it only took time and had I've of waited for GW to issue a individual release my army would have been stuck at 500 points for a year and a half. It's not worth it.
Warhammer has always been a fairly expensive hobby, I’ve been in the hobby since 99’ when you could buy blisters of the individual models Which made it feel less painful on the pocket lol but GW is getting outrageous with their new pricing hikes. They have certainly lost touch with their customer base, now I know they fully understand it’s no longer kids begging their parents for new kits anymore but they’re slowly pricing out adults working full time jobs hahaha. There artificially creating demands for a product that they can produce more of they just choose not to. Your choices are risk not being able to get the product because you don’t wanna pay months in advance when you can leave the game store with models in hand by picking something else, or paying a scalper blood money… and you’re right usually if you wait it out you can find the stuff on eBay at half the cost but like I said it’s almost like they underproduce so you are forced to pick it up immediately at whatever price they say depending on how bad you want those items, this hobby has never been more in demand and you would think they would have their production streamlined by now. Sadly, it’s only going to get worse unless people just stop buying the kits on release and just Finish their piles of shame for once before heading out to pick up more lol
The kill team app is supposed to be where you get the "card" equivalent- the cards are only being sold on the warhammer site so it cant be a requirement to play the game.
Sucks because me and a friend were both getting into Warhammer because of the new game. I loved Tau and he’s into astra militarum. This would have been the PERFECT starting set for us to split
The rules for every team are supposedly going to be free online. If that is the case then overpriced cards simply wont sell, which is good. If the rules aren't free then nothing will sell.
ya i agree. i'll just print off the rules, and make my own cards. as someone who has like 60 or so card packs for various GW games, and about 12 kill teams. i will buy exactly Zero of these.
ya i think they are using the cards as a way to sell a "codex" for each team, since you will get the digital code for the app... GW exploiting us every chance they get. soon it will be a handful of people, wondering why nobody plays anymore... we know why
$80 for some of the teams is crazy. I wish the cards were included when you bought the box. I am glad I picked up the Nemesis Claw when their box came out and got a box of scouts when they releaded individually. I'll have to try and get the Pathfinder, Farstalker Kinband, and potentially the Noviaties before they release them with a new box. The free rules will be nice, but I don't think having another app is a good idea. They should just add KT to the 40k app and add legends while they are at it.
They are definitly going to price people out of the market!people buy the killteam models to play with in 40k!GW DEFINITLY DOUBLING DOWN ON THE PRICE!O,WE!
nothing really with the minis. new packaging, higher price, and it includes the token sheet for kill team. the models are exactly the same 10x scouts you bought
An online codex they need to make up their cost for. That's why the cards are +$10 and the models are +$20. Now 2, v3 KT's offset the purchase of a v2 codex, AND even better, GW doesn't have to actually make physical media for them, so that's an even bigger win for GW. The consumer didn't win with KT v3, GW did. I can't believe I got myself excited to finally buy back into a GW game after 10+ years; thinking GW was making a positive change for the first time since I quit the hobby. What a waste of my time.
What GW traditionally does...rather than admit they're greedy and lowering prices...is say "They're not selling" and then stop production on that line. This isn't the first (second...third...fourth) time they've done this in 30 years.
The convoluted rules drove me away from 40k and KT. Now I'm back getting a small kroot army just to dip my toe in again. I want Vespid from the new box but those prices are ridiculous. Like what is the point?
That's okay, the game is dead to me after they limit the life of a kill team to 4 years. I've got ones just getting painted now that are that old. Game is dead.
My school club plays 40k. Difference is, non of us brought any 10th or 9th edition models into the game. We uses 2nd and 3rd edition antique space marines, (supplied by our clubs staff) 3d printed guardsmen and necrons, donated Tyranids+chaos beast men by ex club members and 8th edition death guard. Was it appropriate? Up to you. Was it fun tho? Absolutely! You get to see small as space marine blowing away foetid bloat drone, Tyranids shot by 3d printed kriegsmen and limbs flying everyone when someone dies (3d printed parts.) for once 40k was actually affordable for most of us and we get to enjoy it without going broke😂.
Every word you said was the truth. GW was once a great company to buy from, a little pricy but now they have gone thru the roof. GW has gone from a gaming company to a money hungry beast. Their greed caused me to buy a 3D printer as it now costs me pennies to print a figure. To that I'm grateful, but it irritates me how the treat the very people (customers) who made them what they are today. I refuse to pay them for their product anymore, I play older versions of 40k with my friends far and away from their store. Keep up the good work WHM, and keep spreading the word.
There's unfortunately some people buying it. Its about 7 times the price as a normal card deck from bicycle, and there is more design going in to them then a GW cardstock deck with 15-20 cards. With those prices on cards, they either need to force people to have them a tournaments or they wont get the cards sold. I wouldn't even buy mandrakes for 80 dollars, When i started playing dark eldar, Asdrubal vect on dice of destruction where cheaper then the cards for the mandrakes are today.
Core rules will be free, index rules for the killteams will be free (according to GW). so it looks like you only need the cards for convenience (you could just print your own from the free downloads) or for access to the digital rules in the app.
ya i dont blame you. the prices are wild for the new stuff, especially individual teams. as more people buy new, or leave the hobby, there are tons of great deals to be had!
Two years ago I got box of Legionaires for 147pln, now they charge 187pln for Nemesis Claw, which is basically the same - regular CSM box with upgrade sprue, except this one is 27% more expensive over 2 years... It really feels like theyre playing the 'lets see how high up we can go with those' game. I wonder if we're anywhere near the breaking point of most people...
Kill team was cool when it first came out; a game you could play in between 40k matches or a fast one with a buddy while chillin'. This game shouldn't be expensive at all, ever.
Battletech has been using the same ruleset for four decades the earliest rulebooks are compatable with the newest ones and when a new version of the rules is made it's always presented as an alternative instead of a replacement there's also the alpha strike ruleset which is meant to resemble warhammer with its unit cards and gridless movement and damage bubbles to fill in
I wanted to learn killteam. Huge fan of the lore, been reading the books for 20 years. I scoured the internet to find a FLGS with a group that would teach me (none of my friends play tabletop). I bought a boxed set for 65$ (1/3 of what my 3D printer cost me). I spent hours trying to figure out how to best build the roster and before I could finish it’s obsolete and I now need to spend more money to even get started. This is from a customer who WANTS to learn to play. In the meantime I found some guys playing OPR and having a blast and I can just print my armies for much cheaper. GW, make this easier to get into or you are gonna lose nerds like me.
I haven't been interested in Kill team before, but I might try this edition. Although, I am not going to buy the datacards, and I will be 3D printing all the models I use, so my costs are going to be around $5. I find that pretty acceptable.
ya i think GW has completely lost the script. more and more people are either choosing different games, pirating rules, or 3d printing alt models. they are burning all their bridges, and there are lifeboats everywhere for all their "customers"
Idk if phrasing as "doubles prices" is fair. It turns out the box sets were better 'deals' than we thought. The cards are always overpriced nonsense, and I've never bothered purchasing them. A fair comparison would be how much were these old models before the redesign. Scouts used to be 5 per box at ~$40, so it's only a price jump in so far as you can't get only 5 scouts like you used to. The only box that wont sell well is the Ork Commandos. There are so many floating around from the starter set, and they are cheap af on ebay. Votann are hurting for units, so those will sell. Night Lords will probably be out of stock on launch. The rest will do ok.
Yep bought and wrote off a 3D printer for work related expensive after I saw the prices. Only think that seem ok is the New edition release box, but $230 geeez
This is too funny, but sad at the same time, you did predict this mishap in a earlier video (even if it was leaning towards the rules by a hair). If you are going to start boycott the boxes, now is the best time to rally all the kill team players together to fight the price increase.
@@WarHammerMan This is an unfortunate thing for my friend who actually plays Killteam at our local WH store, just genuine sadness, he wanted two teams, but the prices made it not appealing anymore him.
They are just a rip nowadays, when they converted the forgeworld prices to "Shop by region", it meant that I (in New Zealand) were to be paying up to 40% more, before shipping, reprehensible.
@@WarHammerMan the thing is with this new release they are gonna make the rules available on the warhammer community website and you don't really need the cards i think you can print yours now :D
I honestly have a hard time wanting to play because it seems like once you buy something it's out of date the next week. I've just stuck to painting. I make a very good income and I don't even want to spend what GW is asking.
ya at times it can feel like that. but keep in mind, only the top players really care about the Meta. for everyone else, its not a big deal. paint and play what you like. you should 100% be playing the game, its a ton of fun. it also helps you to stay motivated to paint over long periods. there is nothing more fulfilling than playing games with your nicely painted models. its the payoff!
Speaking with my wallet on this one. Already been out of 40k for something over a year now, and this is where I say by to kill team too. Works out well as I have more legion minis I'd like to get.
I’ve been buying GW stuff for over 30 years, the worst thing back then was trying to get your hands on the special GamesCon mini’s, stores could sell at lower prices if they wanted to, then the price fixing came into play to ‘protect’ the brick and mortar store. Kill Team was a nice start to get ppl into the game, this constant flipping of rules and cards BS is killing things. Time to find some friends freeze your rules and have some fun with a game of your choice, sticking with things like Space Hulk, Necromunda, HH, and nail down a version of 40k that works.
Something something, they had so much deadstock of Vermintide that they were finding events that could take pallets of them to give away a month ago, no matter how far out the next event was.
At my local store you can get a box for every starter set except The Night Lords Mandrakes. I don’t know anybody locally that plays Kill Team but our area is definitely not normal. We have more Horus Heresy and AoS players than 40K.
I am glad that I didn´t invest into the new Kill team milking machine. I am perfectly happy with the Kill team 2018 edition - the gameplay was fast (you might finish the game under 1 hour, not 2+ hours with the current Kill team), the amount of customization your own team was great and you could even create your own specialists (your only limit was the weapon options, if you play WYSIWYG). Back then the Kill team truly was a small, fast, cheap gateway game to the "normal" WH40K. However, not anymore.
the new astra militarum codex, will be accompanied by new Kreig models! so depending on your time frame, know that reinforcements are coming! i cannot wait for more Death Korps!
To be blunt, the group I play with are staying on existing version of KT. GW can get lost with 3rd edition, and can get used to not getting any more money from anyone in my group. Brilliant work from GW.
Those cards will be outdated before you rip the plastic off...
yuo you need to add the price of a marker pen to update them.
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So true. The 40 Codex's too. Ill only will buy codexes and datacards from 10th edition and ill never buy more.
Exactly. So they price them high because they can't price them low enough to make it worth it to constantly buy more. Even at $15 per box (I cant imagine them being lower than that since quality playing cards are that much) how many times would you buy them before you gave up and just printed out the latest balance data slates anyway?
For real. I just make my own using Photoshop and my cricket.
These prices are absurd. This is how they reward buyers for their growing success.
It may be absurd but it's not surprising.
Have you seen their website? I bet high schooler could code a better webpage. They are just taking the same play every large corporation is doing, price gouging till they see a sale drop off.
yep, GW needs new management. they keep burning their bridges, left and right. over a couple extra $$
@@thatsheresy I'm sure their shareholders would be more pleased with them not pushing away customers, scaring away newbies or failing to capitalise on the success of SM2. GW could have improved sales by releasing the Tsons codex since they are in game or creating a Titus (or even a whole squad) mini with basic paints and brushes included but instead they are more anti-consumer at a time where super high detail and quick printers like the Saturn 4 Ultra are out.
Lol well they dont pay the best for PMs so they are not gonna get the best lol
Let’s fight 3d printing. By driving people toward it.
I mean 3d printing pretty easy these days too. You can get a printer for like 250 bucks and bam pump out whatever STL you can find and have fun.
Yeah I am torn by this. I get why people would want to 3d print all this stuff. On the other hand, it will destroy the whole Warhammer franchise (at least the tabletop). Though these high prices are really not justified.
@@liepsan Yea we all love Warhammer, but things like One Page Rules and other things will just ultimately benefit from their greed. You go take a look at One Page Rules and their army builder its so easy to get started having fun.
@@liepsanthey could just make money off of campaign books. I hate that the rules change every 3 years. Making me wanna take a break for a few years
@@liepsanthey have too much momentum, and their shareholders require continual gains every quarter, for them to do anything radical.
And how many people can't be bothered to get a printer, especially set up a resin printer safely? Or search out good STLs or an Etsy seller? It will be a subset who print for themselves, but it's when many gaming groups have a member willing to print stuff for their friends that GW will see sales dip.
They're charging premium prices for items easily distributed by both PDF and STL, they need to find ways to keep consumers coming back instead of driving them away.
I’m not paying $80 for a box of ten models.
135 dollarydoos here.
and $50 for the cards.
And no, the exchange rate is not that bad.
33 for some index cards lmao
Yup thats forge world prices at that point
Even their affordable game is now unaffordable.
This costs you like 10$ max if you do it on a printer. Games workshop is really going to blockbuster themselves. They just refuse to interact or acknowledge printing and insist on driving players to the printing ecosystem. As soon as a company gets in and makes a 3D printed wargame to compete with warhammer.. like OPR.. you have the Netflix to GW’s blockbuster. It’s amazing to watch this train wreck of mismanagement happen in slow motion. They have all the information to avoid it, but they just insist on killing their own game and model line.
I was getting ready to actually buy a KT in earnest once v3 came out. Seeing this price jump is sending me straight back to my 3D printing friends. "I can't play in a tournament?" boo ho for me, half the teams I wanted to buy won't be tournament legal in 2 years anyways so I lost out on what, 3-4 local tournaments?
Naw I'm firing up my 3D printer again and GW can explain to the hobby shops why we aren't there.
@@Keithslawinski just go to a OPR tournament if they have them in your area? Worrying about the tournament scene is like worrying about your blockbuster reward points. If the good players play elsewhere, the league doesn’t matter imo
Started with Primaris bs.
Remember, they went public. They're now beholden to shareholders which means INFINITE GROWTH. So prices are just gonna keep going up.
Nah. Their profit keeps going up. Not everyone has a garage to put a printer in. Also the models still suck compared to GW and are brittle as hell.
Warhammer has been a price gouging scam for years. This is just proof. The quiet ‘these idiots will pay anything’ part out loud. The EA/Activision on wargaming.
GW make EA look like Angels.
decades, other than that ur right.
Lol that is more expensive than a start collecting box. Start collecting box only dissappeared few years ago.
ya its crazy. used to be able to get a nice start for a 40k or sigmar army, for the price of a single squad now. its wild
@@WarHammerMan especially if you able to find any old Start Collecting box
They are killing the game in my area. A few hanging on to 40k but no one will bite on this due to cost. Plus those cards won't even be valid in 6 months due to rule tweaks.
ya GW self sabotaging once again. terrible business practices
Yea thats why i kind of got burnt out on playing it and just collect models. I dont always have time to play it often ao ill take breaks. And when i come back often therr is new rules new codexes and stuff. Cant keep up with it
Imagine your business model being “I’ll rip off my existing customers and do no work to acquire new ones”. With the success of Space Marine 2 GW could have brought in so many new players (AKA increased revenue) with a strategic price drop vs a price gouge.
I am literally an interested new player coming from SM2. I did try to get into it in college with a tau box but I didn’t have the time. Now I want to get into kill team with the Voltann. Thankfully that one is $65 but I keep hearing about the other purchases I would need. Would I just be able to go to the wah pedia site for the rules?
@@HighFlyBlueyeah, you can get pretty much any rules you want there. Most importantly, for older editions being preserved too. Also makes the rules just much more convenient in general compared to book format, with hyperlinking and all that.
Yea i went into a locla hobby store yesterday and was blown away by how prices were even from like a ywar or 2 ago. A dreadnought is 70 bucks. Crazy
Meanwhile for old-world you can buy a 2k army for £88
do tell me more
£88 worth of ancient metal tho💀💀💀
I thought the old world re releases were mostly plastic? They remade them all in metal?
@@scleless1342 new stuff is a mix of plastic and resin. (Most) Older stuff is whatever it was back in the day - that could be metal or plastic - old resin got updated into new resin.
TOW prices are pretty weird. They range from God awful to some of the better deals GW has to offer.
@@ItsAvery756 The boxes they spoke of are plastic.
So with the current technology of 3d printers i would think warhammer decreases prices a little, but nope, lets increase the prices 2x. No logic.
Its very strange that the US price is at 80 dollars, meawhile in euros and british pound if converted its closer to 60$
Kill Team players really need to use Wahapedia more.
Pretty sure the app will be free with all this stuff.
i expect a massive influx of people pirating rules, instead of getting robbed by GW pirates
@@WarHammerManI much prefer a hardbound book for reading, but there's no way I'm buying everyone's codex to ensure my opponent isn't cheating me. And a digital copy is far better for searching.
Other companies give out digital product codes with their hard copies, why can't GW?
in warcry for sigmar the cards are just included in the box, no extra cost
Ready for a change? Let's hope it doesn't come to separate card packs since fantasy is less popular.
Well, $33 isn't bad when you consider that those cards are made of solid gold.
If they were just cardboard, THAT would be a rip-off.
lol, but since they are made from heavily refined rare earth metals, its not bad.... but if they were cardboard... total rip off haha
Dude.. these prices are well beyond absurd.. These prices surpassed ridiculous, many many years ago!
I was literally getting excited to play this game. The first GW game I've played in 10+ years, when I saw they were going to make the codex's online. Just buy a box of guys for $55 and a core set of tokens to get started? I can do that, then grow my teams over the years.
Nope. GW doesn't do "things for the community". It's actually just as much $$$ as it was they just moved the prices around then put a 4 year time limit onto each team before they fail to the sure-to-come power creep. Enjoy your whales GW. I hope they keep you afloat because the 4 friends and I that were all looking to get into this game just walked.
ya they have made this mistake over and over with necromunda. they have a big launch, a bunch of excitement for a new edition, and then somehow drop the ball. this was a huge chance to revitalize the game, and grow the community, and yet somehow, they have managed to completely destroy the excitement of the community, over a couple extra $$
@@WarHammerMan YES Necromunda was the first game I wanted to play!
Then I saw a $55 rule book + $50 dollar codex + $50 warband ($160+ initial investment with, or without a box set!) REALLY tough to sell that price point to 3-4 friends to TRY out a game many were on the fence about.
When I learned KT was putting codex's online I thought "Ok this is finally a game with a low cost of entry. We can do this. We can actually play a GW game again. Easy rules so I'll buy the core book, then I ask a friend to just buy 1 box of guys and I'll bring the barricades and we will give it a shot".
Then the 2 teams my friends wanted to play got put on the 2 years notice list, and now they are bumping the prices in a way that effectively offsets the old codex cost with new $45 equipment costs, and box sets going up by $20
Sorry I am spam posting, but I have to vent the rollercoaster I've been on with GW after re-following them for only 3 months
Oh man, I just bought for me and a friend to play, have not started painting them and already seeing this... Yikes, I feel like I'm making a mistake
They did it! They finally Killed Team!
ya it was a slow death, but this is def not going to help the game. the hivestorm box is nice, but the rest is crazy
Always appreciate your commentary, you're 100% spot on regarding 40k players buying kill teams to put in their 40k armies. I definitely remember the Arbites release when they were one of the best troop choices in 40k and my local FLGS couldn't keep them in stock for all the meta-chasers. I'm hoping Kill Team continues to get support, especially the co-op mode, but I think you're right & that with this pricing GW is setting Kill Team up to fail.
Well, when they only release striking scorpions in a killteam box, yes eldar players are gonna buy it.
Well don't forget that those killteams were pretty much auto-include for most of 9th/10th so far. The 40k rules for most of the teams were insane until recently.
GW: If we strangle the Golden Goose, we can make the eggs come out faster! Right...?
lol, that pretty much sums it up!
The messed up part of this entire situation; people pay these outlandish prices.
“People”
As a new to 40K guy I see these prices and immediately look to recasts 😂
Kill Team, more like Kill all my interest in continuing to play Kill Team!
lol 100%. i'm not buying any of these cards, what a joke. completely killed the excitement for the new edition. its necromunda all over again. GW never learns
The terrain boxes are $125?!?!?!
Damn I was waiting for kill team 3rd edition to finally break into the hobby but with a + $100 entry lvl there is absolutely no way I can convince my friend to buy 😂
Can't wait to see the Aussie dollarydoo cost for a kill team box. Gunna have to sell the missus to play for my Yaegirs 😂
lol the way its going for you guys, prices are going to have commas soon... $1,000 not far out for the Aussies. its a shame. cheers, good luck breaking the news to the missus
@@WarHammerMan haha she will understand I hope... it is definitely making me dig into my pile of potential.
@@WarHammerMan ... plus another 10 - 15% for Kiwi players.
This is completely absurd. It's crazy how they could make so much more money if they only made the hobby more accessible. I'm new to warhammer (space marine 2 andy), and this completely turns me off from playing on the table top. Not to mention that by the time i get an army painted, the rules might have already changed or might be close to changing. Lastly, I own a 3d printer, and I know for a fact that it doesn't cost 100+ dollars to squirt out a few plastic models.
its like would GW rather sell one box for 100 bucks or 2 boxes for 60 bucks each? Most people would be more likely to buy the 2 boxes.
Yeah no, GW is kind of just asking for piracy at this point.
This Video has convinced me to get into 3d printing
ya its a shame, but at this point, i dont even blame people
I've been buying the older Rogue Trader stuff for awhile now. But since the success of Space Marine 2 I'm scared to even look at the used market now.
ya the excitement of space marine 2 is great and all, but i def think its just going to make the community more toxic, and GW get even more crazy with their prices, and terrible business practices!
Anything is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. That's why housing is so expensive too. If enough people in a market system are willing to go deeply into debt over something, then eventually, you will have to, too, if you want to continue to participate
you're close, but price is what you pay, value is what you get. so its up to the individual to decide if the price, and value align, because value is subjective. cheers.
Yeah fuck GW , this is just a symptom that they are financially failing by covering losses with price hikes , it’s honestly extremely predatory
ya you can see it in the semi-annual report. they are claiming the profits are up, but clearly the volumes are falling, and the increased profits are from the jacked up prices. this never works in the long run.
The last big retcon on the Golden Boys got me to stop buying from GW cold turkey.
I used to spend minimum at least $5-7k a year on GW products between me, my girl, and my brother. Now I buy everything recast and use older rules and homebrew for newer models. I do not regret the decision to drop GW and now I pay about 20% of market cost for same quality.
Those prices are nuts especially considering the ork commandos are about a hundred when the ork and Krieg starter is on Amazon at $88 for a year now and still up for that amount
ya they have really self sabotaged on this one. huge missed opportunity
GW is completely off its rocker if they think that this will equate to them making more money. They may make some from whales, but most whales already have their full compliment of kill team units for 40k.
ya i agree. the actual kill team community is extremely small. the TAM for Kill team cards is tiny, and if they are going to give the stuff away for free, but sell the cards at a massive premium, nobody is going to buy them
Buy scans. Give GW nothing.
I was thinking about starting to learn kill team to get into actually playing 40k instead of only collecting miniatures but these prices sure is keeping me from doing that
Using proxies is completely fine when learning the mechanics of the game. Don't think you need to buy official GW minis to enjoy the set of rules.
I've been researching the 40k hobby. Was willing to spend a decent amount over time. I am not shy about spending on my hobby, but GW seems to be out of control with pricing and what is going on with Age of Sigmar.
Play OPR. It's 40k lore friendly. Use the miniatures you want. Use a much better game system. Save money. Save a LOTS of money.
I'm spending far less these days on GW products. Rather than looking at upcoming releases and thinking "I can't wait to get this!" instead I say "do I need this? can I afford this?" and I am their target audience with money in my wallet for hobbies. I can't be the only one who feels like this?
ya i think this is a really based take. most people including myself are doing the same thing. i have an "allocated weekly hobby budget" now i often find myself passing on things, i would have otherwise picked up. maybe my dragon horde has reached critical mass, or maybe GW is just overplaying its hand... but either way, you're not alone
I literally have not brought retail GW product in years save for new FEC, always second hand and I was hardcore customer since I was 15 no more cash for their shitty pots either. I have my 2-5 edition books and I dont need more.
I assumed the new kill team boxes went up in price because they were going to include the cards...
Even with the free rules (that we don't have much info on), the datacards are vert stupid investments.
ya i have been resizing and printing off the index cards for my 40k armies. waiting on the codex releases. at this rate, i'm about to boycott all card packs going forward. GW is delusional if they think people will snatch these up. its one thing to buy a few card packs for 40k or sigmar, where most people have only a couple armies. but with kill team, the appeal is supposed to be have a bunch of teams. no way i'm buying like a dozen card packs for $33 each. especially when i have all the cards they just made, that are suddenly useless.
@@WarHammerMan My lgs is doing the same thing. They're lax on 3d printing and other less official ways to play WH. Except for some official tournaments.
I remember buying 5 squads of space marines and a rhino for like $50 back in the day.
ya comparing prices now to prices decades ago isnt a great metric. but even a few years ago, the prices on exact same kits have skyrocketed!
@@WarHammerMan agreed. Still wild. Stuff you mention in your video is insane
The disheartening part is really for the game organizers and ones who introduce people to the hobby.
As one of the local “Kill Team guys” in my area, it’s usually up to me to buy, build, paint and set up the games so price increases always hit hard on me. Because it’s a great game and it’s hard for me to introduce other people to the game when they see how crazy the prices are getting.
yep. i've already seen a lot of the excitement for kill team fade. people are tired of GW's antics. one by one, its killing off the games, or pushing the customers to alternative systems, and models
@@WarHammerMan yeah, it's tough. I like to have an large variety of Kill Teams so when people learn the game, they have plenty of stuff to try out. As well as makes game nights with friends better because we have so many options. But I may need to just cut my losses and stick to KT21.
I'd love to buy a bunch of Warmhammer 40K sets but with how ridiculous their prices are I just refuse on principle. They mass produce this stuff.. it's cheap plastic. Their greed is costing them a lot of new and returning customers.
same. I was actually about to get back into the game via TK after over 10 years out of the hobby. Had 4 other friends that were interested too when I originally explained the new v3 TK's were just $55 a box, you could play with them forever, and wouldn't need a codex.
Then I learned each box is only good for 2-4 years in any tournament capacity, and if you don't buy quick they prices are spiking. My friends just laughed at "classic GW" and we decided we're either not going to play, and if we do, we are just going to 3D print everything.
Hope the GW whales can keep them afloat, because GW seems committed to keeping small fries like us keep small fries like us priced out.
Honestly? I miss the old edition of killteam. Literally one book which was like $50. It had all the army lists, and had pretty similar rules to regular 40K, so you could switch between the two super easily. If you really want to play a skirmish game, just download a pdf off any old site and play the old kill team. Don’t let people price gouge you for no reason ong
Im ancient. Back in the day the kill team rules were in the core rulebook.
@@bradley6386 I miss it so much. I still play it sometimes but it’s hard persuading people at a gaming store to play an out of date ruleset lol
@Mosaic117 yea games workshop essentially has a monopoly. I would love tocplay cheaper games pile bolt action but you can hardly find people that will branch out
@@bradley6386Ah, the good old days…
As someone who was building a Nightlord army a few months before the new killteam was announced but was only rumoured, I had got tired of holding off with no clear release date for me to use my store credit on building my army.
So I bought 20 Legionaries with credit and another 10 with 10 raptors and just printed my own heads, shoulder pads and then just started printing and now own like 60 Legionaries and 30 chosen with 30 raptors and 20 warptalons and 20 terms. It's just easier and better to print rather than wait for GW to price gouge me. All up I spent 180 for the models I bought, store credit which was like 60 for the events I entered and 20 on resin. It's alot cheaper as it only took time and had I've of waited for GW to issue a individual release my army would have been stuck at 500 points for a year and a half. It's not worth it.
Warhammer has always been a fairly expensive hobby, I’ve been in the hobby since 99’ when you could buy blisters of the individual models Which made it feel less painful on the pocket lol but GW is getting outrageous with their new pricing hikes. They have certainly lost touch with their customer base, now I know they fully understand it’s no longer kids begging their parents for new kits anymore but they’re slowly pricing out adults working full time jobs hahaha. There artificially creating demands for a product that they can produce more of they just choose not to. Your choices are risk not being able to get the product because you don’t wanna pay months in advance when you can leave the game store with models in hand by picking something else, or paying a scalper blood money… and you’re right usually if you wait it out you can find the stuff on eBay at half the cost but like I said it’s almost like they underproduce so you are forced to pick it up immediately at whatever price they say depending on how bad you want those items, this hobby has never been more in demand and you would think they would have their production streamlined by now. Sadly, it’s only going to get worse unless people just stop buying the kits on release and just Finish their piles of shame for once before heading out to pick up more lol
The kill team app is supposed to be where you get the "card" equivalent- the cards are only being sold on the warhammer site so it cant be a requirement to play the game.
Sucks because me and a friend were both getting into Warhammer because of the new game. I loved Tau and he’s into astra militarum. This would have been the PERFECT starting set for us to split
The rules for every team are supposedly going to be free online. If that is the case then overpriced cards simply wont sell, which is good. If the rules aren't free then nothing will sell.
ya i agree. i'll just print off the rules, and make my own cards. as someone who has like 60 or so card packs for various GW games, and about 12 kill teams. i will buy exactly Zero of these.
@@WarHammerMan Same! I have 9 Kill Teams but I've been slowly moving to Warcry and AoS. This just might seal the deal for me.
The price for the cards is worse when you factor how many teams only have a year of playability.
ya i think they are using the cards as a way to sell a "codex" for each team, since you will get the digital code for the app... GW exploiting us every chance they get. soon it will be a handful of people, wondering why nobody plays anymore... we know why
The price hikes is why I went straight to ebay to pick up the Scout Squad box at the old price.
$80 for some of the teams is crazy. I wish the cards were included when you bought the box. I am glad I picked up the Nemesis Claw when their box came out and got a box of scouts when they releaded individually. I'll have to try and get the Pathfinder, Farstalker Kinband, and potentially the Noviaties before they release them with a new box. The free rules will be nice, but I don't think having another app is a good idea. They should just add KT to the 40k app and add legends while they are at it.
They are definitly going to price people out of the market!people buy the killteam models to play with in 40k!GW DEFINITLY DOUBLING DOWN ON THE PRICE!O,WE!
ya this is insane. terrible business choice
I was just thinking it would be cool to do a small arbites themed IG army, maybe not if they're going to go up in price too soon.
3D printers are becoming cheaper and cheaper
OPR and 3D pinting is the way to go. GW is totally lost touch with the customers.
What’s the difference between this scout squad box and the one I bought a month ago??
nothing really with the minis. new packaging, higher price, and it includes the token sheet for kill team. the models are exactly the same 10x scouts you bought
An online codex they need to make up their cost for. That's why the cards are +$10 and the models are +$20. Now 2, v3 KT's offset the purchase of a v2 codex, AND even better, GW doesn't have to actually make physical media for them, so that's an even bigger win for GW. The consumer didn't win with KT v3, GW did.
I can't believe I got myself excited to finally buy back into a GW game after 10+ years; thinking GW was making a positive change for the first time since I quit the hobby. What a waste of my time.
About 10 bucks. 😂
What GW traditionally does...rather than admit they're greedy and lowering prices...is say "They're not selling" and then stop production on that line. This isn't the first (second...third...fourth) time they've done this in 30 years.
I'm just glad I have all these unopened boxes from v2.0 to sell 🙂
The convoluted rules drove me away from 40k and KT. Now I'm back getting a small kroot army just to dip my toe in again. I want Vespid from the new box but those prices are ridiculous. Like what is the point?
ya 40k is in a good place game wise. most fun its ever been, but GW is spiraling in the wrong direction, with its insane practices/prices.
That's okay, the game is dead to me after they limit the life of a kill team to 4 years. I've got ones just getting painted now that are that old. Game is dead.
ya, there was a lot of displeased players, when they found out kommandos and others would only be usable for another year.
lol, this why I play 1 Page Rules. I played 40k since the 90s, got sick of the prices, politics, and constant rule changes.
I'm mad, I'm outraged, I'm disgusted, I'm.....I'm buying a box of nightlords😢
I'm not surprised man we all know it was coming.
My school club plays 40k. Difference is, non of us brought any 10th or 9th edition models into the game. We uses 2nd and 3rd edition antique space marines, (supplied by our clubs staff) 3d printed guardsmen and necrons, donated Tyranids+chaos beast men by ex club members and 8th edition death guard. Was it appropriate? Up to you. Was it fun tho? Absolutely! You get to see small as space marine blowing away foetid bloat drone, Tyranids shot by 3d printed kriegsmen and limbs flying everyone when someone dies (3d printed parts.) for once 40k was actually affordable for most of us and we get to enjoy it without going broke😂.
Up $80 for a kit of 10 figure. GamesWorkshop has lost a customer.
Inflation is through the roof. Not the time to double prices on a luxury nesh hobby
Every word you said was the truth. GW was once a great company to buy from, a little pricy but now they have gone thru the roof. GW has gone from a gaming company to a money hungry beast. Their greed caused me to buy a 3D printer as it now costs me pennies to print a figure. To that I'm grateful, but it irritates me how the treat the very people (customers) who made them what they are today. I refuse to pay them for their product anymore, I play older versions of 40k with my friends far and away from their store. Keep up the good work WHM, and keep spreading the word.
Not only does 3d printer go brrrr
but now the humble 2d printer can save you hundreds of dollars
I really like kill team.... because its meant to be cheaper than the full 40k
There's unfortunately some people buying it. Its about 7 times the price as a normal card deck from bicycle, and there is more design going in to them then a GW cardstock deck with 15-20 cards. With those prices on cards, they either need to force people to have them a tournaments or they wont get the cards sold. I wouldn't even buy mandrakes for 80 dollars, When i started playing dark eldar, Asdrubal vect on dice of destruction where cheaper then the cards for the mandrakes are today.
Do you need the cards to play the game or is the information in the rule books?
Core rules will be free, index rules for the killteams will be free (according to GW). so it looks like you only need the cards for convenience (you could just print your own from the free downloads) or for access to the digital rules in the app.
I'm just gonna buy old models from private sellers.
ya i dont blame you. the prices are wild for the new stuff, especially individual teams. as more people buy new, or leave the hobby, there are tons of great deals to be had!
Two years ago I got box of Legionaires for 147pln, now they charge 187pln for Nemesis Claw, which is basically the same - regular CSM box with upgrade sprue, except this one is 27% more expensive over 2 years... It really feels like theyre playing the 'lets see how high up we can go with those' game. I wonder if we're anywhere near the breaking point of most people...
You mean the fact that they'll all be free, digitally?
Kill team was cool when it first came out; a game you could play in between 40k matches or a fast one with a buddy while chillin'. This game shouldn't be expensive at all, ever.
Battletech has been using the same ruleset for four decades the earliest rulebooks are compatable with the newest ones and when a new version of the rules is made it's always presented as an alternative instead of a replacement there's also the alpha strike ruleset which is meant to resemble warhammer with its unit cards and gridless movement and damage bubbles to fill in
I wanted to learn killteam. Huge fan of the lore, been reading the books for 20 years. I scoured the internet to find a FLGS with a group that would teach me (none of my friends play tabletop). I bought a boxed set for 65$ (1/3 of what my 3D printer cost me). I spent hours trying to figure out how to best build the roster and before I could finish it’s obsolete and I now need to spend more money to even get started. This is from a customer who WANTS to learn to play. In the meantime I found some guys playing OPR and having a blast and I can just print my armies for much cheaper. GW, make this easier to get into or you are gonna lose nerds like me.
I haven't been interested in Kill team before, but I might try this edition. Although, I am not going to buy the datacards, and I will be 3D printing all the models I use, so my costs are going to be around $5. I find that pretty acceptable.
ya i think GW has completely lost the script. more and more people are either choosing different games, pirating rules, or 3d printing alt models. they are burning all their bridges, and there are lifeboats everywhere for all their "customers"
Idk if phrasing as "doubles prices" is fair. It turns out the box sets were better 'deals' than we thought. The cards are always overpriced nonsense, and I've never bothered purchasing them. A fair comparison would be how much were these old models before the redesign. Scouts used to be 5 per box at ~$40, so it's only a price jump in so far as you can't get only 5 scouts like you used to.
The only box that wont sell well is the Ork Commandos. There are so many floating around from the starter set, and they are cheap af on ebay. Votann are hurting for units, so those will sell. Night Lords will probably be out of stock on launch. The rest will do ok.
This is cope.
Yep bought and wrote off a 3D printer for work related expensive after I saw the prices. Only think that seem ok is the New edition release box, but $230 geeez
$33 = £25 & that is an obscene price for a pack of cards.
* Slightly more than half a pack of cards
And it's what, 10 cards?
They upped the price on my Scouts, but the part that really gets me mad is that they will likely also hike the price of Heirotek circle.
The tokens are not needed, and the cards are a luxury. They can keep their cards.
yep i agree. i have the tokens from all the old stuff, and i'll just make my own cards for like $0.10.
This is too funny, but sad at the same time, you did predict this mishap in a earlier video (even if it was leaning towards the rules by a hair). If you are going to start boycott the boxes, now is the best time to rally all the kill team players together to fight the price increase.
not only does the Dice Boycott Continue... but the Card Boycott has BEGUN!
@@WarHammerMan This is an unfortunate thing for my friend who actually plays Killteam at our local WH store, just genuine sadness, he wanted two teams, but the prices made it not appealing anymore him.
They are just a rip nowadays, when they converted the forgeworld prices to "Shop by region", it meant that I (in New Zealand) were to be paying up to 40% more, before shipping, reprehensible.
i will do my own custom data cards ...not paying that price ! there is no way i am paying that for cards that will be outdated in 6 months
yep 100%. i've been doing it for the index cards, and now i'll be doing it for kill team. they just lost a card customer in me.
@@WarHammerMan the thing is with this new release they are gonna make the rules available on the warhammer community website and you don't really need the cards i think you can print yours now :D
I honestly have a hard time wanting to play because it seems like once you buy something it's out of date the next week. I've just stuck to painting. I make a very good income and I don't even want to spend what GW is asking.
ya at times it can feel like that. but keep in mind, only the top players really care about the Meta. for everyone else, its not a big deal. paint and play what you like. you should 100% be playing the game, its a ton of fun. it also helps you to stay motivated to paint over long periods. there is nothing more fulfilling than playing games with your nicely painted models. its the payoff!
I wanted those mandrakes but with those highwayman prices i will look for... alternative methods.
Speaking with my wallet on this one. Already been out of 40k for something over a year now, and this is where I say by to kill team too. Works out well as I have more legion minis I'd like to get.
3D printer, One Page Rules, Vallejo/Army Painter paints.
GW will not be missed.
I’ve been buying GW stuff for over 30 years, the worst thing back then was trying to get your hands on the special GamesCon mini’s, stores could sell at lower prices if they wanted to, then the price fixing came into play to ‘protect’ the brick and mortar store. Kill Team was a nice start to get ppl into the game, this constant flipping of rules and cards BS is killing things. Time to find some friends freeze your rules and have some fun with a game of your choice, sticking with things like Space Hulk, Necromunda, HH, and nail down a version of 40k that works.
Something something, they had so much deadstock of Vermintide that they were finding events that could take pallets of them to give away a month ago, no matter how far out the next event was.
Will we be able to find these data cards online for free? They have talked about online rules/the app
At my local store you can get a box for every starter set except The Night Lords Mandrakes. I don’t know anybody locally that plays Kill Team but our area is definitely not normal. We have more Horus Heresy and AoS players than 40K.
I am glad that I didn´t invest into the new Kill team milking machine. I am perfectly happy with the Kill team 2018 edition - the gameplay was fast (you might finish the game under 1 hour, not 2+ hours with the current Kill team), the amount of customization your own team was great and you could even create your own specialists (your only limit was the weapon options, if you play WYSIWYG). Back then the Kill team truly was a small, fast, cheap gateway game to the "normal" WH40K. However, not anymore.
I needed killteam for the krieg guardsmen. They don’t sell the other models, so I have to make do with the Killteam box for my army. This sucks
the new astra militarum codex, will be accompanied by new Kreig models! so depending on your time frame, know that reinforcements are coming! i cannot wait for more Death Korps!
Yeah, i had a deposit on it at a local lgs.... until they gave the $250 price...nvrmnd.
ya GW prices are getting insane. always been high, but the last few years have gone to their heads!
To be blunt, the group I play with are staying on existing version of KT. GW can get lost with 3rd edition, and can get used to not getting any more money from anyone in my group. Brilliant work from GW.
Forgive me.
When is the nemesis claw coming out?
pre orders this saturday release is 2 weeks after that
Data cards are optional tho. Faction rules will be free on release and will be updated constantly. But I get it, cards are handy to have.