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I watched a video about apm years and years ago. The guy I forgot who it was basically said don’t spam get really good at timing and don’t waste that apm. I now sit comfortably at 75 apm as an average and I beat people well into the 2-300 range daily. My movements are just doing more with less if that makes sense. Holding shift to que movements/buildings/attacks is my favorite. I don’t waste 50 apm moving a scv probe or drone.
Yea, suuuuure. I thought Byun’s high APM was due to his ability to control two drops, build infrastructure, create workers and queue units at the same time, but I guess it is just waste 😂😂
Most pro players have 300-450APM, however, EPM would be around 200-300 at best. In mid GM and higher most players have 200EPM. Most of it is just useless clicks, because yeah, we're human and not AIs or bots, our actions are very inefficient
@@rafalbastek6468 this is spikes of APM, we're talking about average APM, because in late game zergs can spike to 1000s with repetitive zerglings making in a single batch
His points about wasted APM apply more to when there isn’t anything happening. Like you don’t need 200-300+ apm in the early game or if you aren’t microing 2-3 diff armies while macroing at home. A lot of macro from non pros tend to be just spamming their main army and their buildings and not actually being effective apm
a large aspect of it is flicking through control groups real fast (422424154 etc) to see unit health, cooldown, production queues etc. it does not even count as actions, but it does give you important information.
It's said that you'll have more apm at the start and it gradually dies then spike at critical times. Cold fingers in StarCraft2 is like a blank mind during a test
yeah you are right alot of the APMS when you are talking about 600 APM or 500 APM or 400 APM are probably redundant or race inflated (zerg larva selection etc) but from 50 all the way to 300 APMs is very very relevant for player speed and to be able to multi task. SC2 suffers from look away for one moment and lose all your worker syndrome. Pros program in camera locations and pull their worker immediately for example. Effective APMS are more important than total APMS but APM is still important. It isn't always make or break like with an FPS but it sure can come close with marine micro/splits and stuff like that
As a Broodwar player since 1998, I retrained my APM at a certain point. I was getting around 300 APM with my Zerg play, and realized that a lot of my clicks and commands were indeed superfluous. I intentionally forced myself to play as slow as possible, only using commands when totally necessary. At first it was a slog and difficult, but over time I was able to bring my APM back up to 180, except now there are no wasted clicks or actions. My real APM is now 180 and goes up to 200 during large engagements. Having done this, I'm better at BW now at 33 than I was at 16. When all of your actions are efficient and necessary, a lot gets done. And when you get up to 180 with no superfluous actions, the way you look at the game totally changes.
Broodwar since 1998, I've never passed 160apm as a protoss player and my game average at peak was around 120-130. I played against alot of the the Australian pros including legionnaire. I never seen anyone gone close to 300 lol.
@@TheRealPDizzle interesting, I usually prefer game average apm rather the peak apm. I've notice a lot of people just spam at the beginning to warm up but after being pressured, their apm just drop below 100. Slayer Boxer apm is around 250, his max is probably 280. Same as nc yell0w. So if you were getting 300+ you could have been a pro player haha. Were you playing in any of the private servers?
A lot of the mass input spamming is to ensure a command goes through at the earliest possible frame. Since the game has basically no input buffer, any form of lag or mistiming on the exact frame makes the cooldown effectively longer. i.e mistiming a 1 second cooldown by 1 frame 60 times makes you have 1 less cast of that ability)
Most pro level gamers use rapid fire for creep spread, unit production (Especially for zerg and protoss), etc in SC2. It is the main reason why APM gets inflated and gives the notion that they are spamming. Rapid-fire can push up to 1000APM or more depending on the settings. Most of the time, pros are spamming in the beginning of the game to warm up their hands and get in the groove if you will. Moving screens around and spamming clicks, etc. During engagements you rarely see them just spamming one hot key to get a spell out.
High APM is a result of having control groups created, when you press 1 2 3 or 4 it corresponds with buildings, and you can produce units from your buildings while fighting your opponent on two different fronts, all while expanding your base, so since there is so much going on, their ARM will be high, somtimes they spam select or just look over their building production as a habit, it might be deemed as useless but realistically it is habit, awareness and production.
Even the random clicks and movements are not wasteful if they keep the fingers warm and the mind alert. Maybe it's the same kind of thing as boxers weaving during a fight. Would you call that constant movement waste? I guess it depends what the actions are doing outside the game itself.
I remember a noticeable climb in my own skill when I forced myself to play faster than I was comfortable with, basically on the verge of making many small mistakes, but eventually I got more and more comfortable with the pace. I’m of the idea that having 10 actions where 6 are useless are better than 3 actions. Maths lol. Still it’s better to focus on the basics in the beginning rather than speed. If you’re in low diamond with 400 APM then you should probably try and figure out what you’re doing wrong.
Why would you have 400 apm? To high apm is literally bad for your health, even dumber when you realize that 99.99 procent of players will never reach a level that 400apm would give them a benefit. Even if we assume that they are doing the good apm and not just spamming keys to inflate their ego. But forcing you to play faster, really can increase your apm for sure.
I experienced the exact opposite. I was watching Day9 play one time and I noticed that even though he was doing more than I was on the screen, he seemed so chill and deliberate while I felt stressed and sloppy. I forced myself to try to slow down and try to get 1 action = 1 command instead of spamming right click six times to tell a unit to move. Focused on accuracy instead of speed, and I had a huge spike in rank. When I was spamming commands, my average APM was around 250 and there was no spare time to add more stuff to do. When I slowed down, things were less chaotic and I had more time to dedicate to more multitasking. Now, I hover around 180 APM on average and I feel so much more in control.
As you get higer you start flipping between buildings and army to keep tabs on production , similiarly you will count your larvea and track your upgrades, the clicks become usefull as game progresses
There's a lot of stuff to get done later in the game. And even early in the game if you're microing units, duplicated clicks are often very necessary against a skilled opponent because you have to change your unit's movement in response to your opponent in order to gain the upper hand. Example, try microing reapers without duplicating clicks. Or microing your workers against said reapers.
I don't think this is accurate. APM is a proxy for reaction speed. Reaction speed is extremely important and tightly correlated with performance in SC2. APM is spammed so that you can learn to do basic actions in the game as fast as possible, such as switching hotkeys or selecting units. This "spam" is not useless as it trains your ability to perform these actions rapidly, which decreases your reaction latency. Milliseconds matter in SC2 -- they are the difference between a baneling connecting or being focus-fired. Someone with reliably lower action latency will be netting higher yields in every macro and micro action they take, which adds up all game long. Eventually their lead is exponential, they are so far ahead that the lead in and of itself causes a larger lead, which is where they've won the game.
Pros do it to warm up, then kick into overdrive during intense moments. Opponent rushes you 3 minutes into the game. Me: My hands are getting tired. Am I going to die?
Difference between a pro player and a casual. Think of it like this, football/soccer players play for 90 minutes running up and down the field. You're typical joe schmoe can barely last 5 minutes. Same with your example, your hands cramping up is because you haven't trained to make a career out of this.
For me spamming makes sense. Cause if you never go fast a high stress situation will feel odd. Because the more stressful I get the less useless kicks I do but my apm tends to stay reasonable, I think if you spam you prepare you brain when you need to be fast but with intention
Im new. My apm is like only 80 . I feel like if my apm was 120 it would be enough. My only problem right now is i sometimes forget to queue unit while fighting 😂 and trool slitting
3rdly and most importantly if I just do the commands do train units every 3 sec I don't need to watch if those commands do something I just press the keys and if I have the money I build units if not I just do it the next time I press the keys
Yes you are right, if we calculated true apm, it would be a lot lower than calculating all the clicks. but it's not possible to make every click or button count and be weary of that. You can be more efficinet at it, but high intensity, minds going 1000% speed of light, unless you're AI --------- not sure what you can do about it
If you produce 40 sets of zerglings holding z for a few seconds it counts as 40 movements. Rapid fire also increases apm dramatically. Thats why usually zerg players have higher apm and and its also the reason apm on sc2 is higher than other rts that lack rapid fire or hold selection like BW
Because they endlessly spam usless apm at least 100+ for some players people think this game requires ridiculous apm but i have hit GM using under 100 apm and there was the professional terran player who beat some of the best in the world averaging around 100 apm, its not so much about the apm as it is about efficient apm.
Having high APM vs maintaining* high APM. It may be pointless at the start but it does synchronise your brain a bit to be thinking and making fast paced decisions. If you start slow, you will end up thinking slow. Trust me, as a mostly casual pve player, if I relax at the start, I'll panic later.
I don't want to be that guy, but I won't check out your channel. You said, pro's don't need high apm... then literally define why pros have high apm and why it is useful... thats very counter intuitive. EDIT: I forgot to mention, its rythem based, which is what your trying to say. Unfortunately that isn't what is conveyed.
This happens in fps with weapon switching. Ive also seen a quake 3 player do a "drill" where when they are moving and have to turn, they turn 450 degrees the opposite direction to practice movement stability and flicking. Also in counterstrike stutterstepping when holding angles so if someone peeks, you are a moving target. Or dancing to hold multiple angles so you are simealtaneously peeking and holding, giving you a chance to gain peekers advantage. That era of shooters has alot of APM that seems figidty but serves a purpose
I support your channel for the most part but this is straight up wrong - yes some pros waste apm superfluously but the top players truly do make every movement count. There’s a reason why there’s only 2-3 GMs with APM less than 200 on the NA server. Micro makes a difference
Well, there's one important distinction to be made - StarCraft 2 counts both APM and EAPM, where the latter refers to "Effective Actions Per Minute" and it doesn't count any repetitve actions. EAPM is around the same for most pros - it ranges from 120-200, and it's indeed a crucial factor for success. As for APM, the range here is even bigger - from 100 to 400 and even 600-700 with rapid fire commands. A player with 150 APM with 120 EAPM can outplay a player with 300 APM and 120 EAPM. It's often the case between Protoss and Zerg, the latter usually have more APM than other races due to the specifics of how their larva economy works.
I'm in masters and infrequently pass 200 apm (basically no spam). At least I know an actual reason why other people almost always pass 300+ apm now lol. Might try spamming more to see if it makes a difference.
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n nah I made masters in teams several years ago I know it's not difficult. I mean masters in 1v1 as protoss to clarify. I just ended up building a habit of being particular with how I spend my apm
Does anyone have any advice for control groups? I've played this game 20 years and I understand the more I play, the faster I get. I just don't know control groups to save my life. When hell breaks lose I just use tilda key for all my zerg units and lose half of them to running across the map. It's terrible but I'm dumbfounded how to control my army units
@@St4lkerBR It's one group of units moving, so it counts as one action. It sounds crazy that they have 500+ APM but they actually do. If what you say was true, once players have a big army simply moving them around would make probably make that number go in the thousands easily.
@@St4lkerBR I don't know if you're mixing the APM counter with how the game will calculate the pathing of every units when you give a move command to them. I don't know how this work honestly, I guess it cheats in many ways to be efficient and not melt CPUs but still has to define where everyone needs to go because units have collisions and stuff but the APM counter will only register those 10 clicks as a single action each time. You can check it out easily, start a game and use a metronome. Grab a worker and move it around on rythm... leave the game and check the APM in the replay.
See this game gives the player the freedom to control a lot of things at the same time, unlike other games. If a player wants to adapt to this multi tasking themed game, they need to develop high apm. But APM isn't everything, a person watching your screen will be more impressed by macro, micro decisions not seeing all the crazy APM happening.
I thought it came from sc1, where you had to click on every building to make a unit and you could select only 12 units (no f2 of course). I remember there was even an alarm if your APM was lower then min level.
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literally says you don't need half the APM then explains why it is necessary lol
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I watched a video about apm years and years ago. The guy I forgot who it was basically said don’t spam get really good at timing and don’t waste that apm. I now sit comfortably at 75 apm as an average and I beat people well into the 2-300 range daily. My movements are just doing more with less if that makes sense. Holding shift to que movements/buildings/attacks is my favorite. I don’t waste 50 apm moving a scv probe or drone.
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My experience is literally the opposite of this lol.
@@L3monstaYeah lol in Aoe4 I get stressed when I think of playing ranked but when i actually go for it its mostly chill and routine
one of the main reasons i spam especially early on is like you said. To warm up but also to stay on rhthym.
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@@abelherrera2207 Reason why clicking so many buttons:
Btw same
Another point I never see get talked about is simply building and reinforcing muscle memory
Yea, suuuuure. I thought Byun’s high APM was due to his ability to control two drops, build infrastructure, create workers and queue units at the same time, but I guess it is just waste 😂😂
Yeah some players do have a justified high apm
Most pro players have 300-450APM, however, EPM would be around 200-300 at best. In mid GM and higher most players have 200EPM. Most of it is just useless clicks, because yeah, we're human and not AIs or bots, our actions are very inefficient
Well, Ragnarok vs Neeb at IEM had 628APM, you can't get that high without relaying on repetetive actions
@@rafalbastek6468 this is spikes of APM, we're talking about average APM, because in late game zergs can spike to 1000s with repetitive zerglings making in a single batch
His points about wasted APM apply more to when there isn’t anything happening. Like you don’t need 200-300+ apm in the early game or if you aren’t microing 2-3 diff armies while macroing at home. A lot of macro from non pros tend to be just spamming their main army and their buildings and not actually being effective apm
a large aspect of it is flicking through control groups real fast (422424154 etc) to see unit health, cooldown, production queues etc. it does not even count as actions, but it does give you important information.
Yeah. You got it. It's just being ready really, imo. "stay on your toes"
It's said that you'll have more apm at the start and it gradually dies then spike at critical times. Cold fingers in StarCraft2 is like a blank mind during a test
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yeah you are right alot of the APMS when you are talking about 600 APM or 500 APM or 400 APM are probably redundant or race inflated (zerg larva selection etc) but from 50 all the way to 300 APMs is very very relevant for player speed and to be able to multi task. SC2 suffers from look away for one moment and lose all your worker syndrome. Pros program in camera locations and pull their worker immediately for example. Effective APMS are more important than total APMS but APM is still important. It isn't always make or break like with an FPS but it sure can come close with marine micro/splits and stuff like that
Its so that at the end of the game your opponent trembles in fear upon seeing your incredible speed
One day, man, one day I'm going to pass 40 apm.
I passed 60 without even knowing on every game I play now. I don’t spam but who knows
I got 40 just because I killed my own units for funsies
I do 60+ easy in wow I have an average of 110 apm.
@@ratzelbarreto2070 I also have quite a lot in WoW, but Starcraft is a different story.
How do u find out your APM???? Some program?
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As a Broodwar player since 1998, I retrained my APM at a certain point. I was getting around 300 APM with my Zerg play, and realized that a lot of my clicks and commands were indeed superfluous. I intentionally forced myself to play as slow as possible, only using commands when totally necessary. At first it was a slog and difficult, but over time I was able to bring my APM back up to 180, except now there are no wasted clicks or actions. My real APM is now 180 and goes up to 200 during large engagements. Having done this, I'm better at BW now at 33 than I was at 16. When all of your actions are efficient and necessary, a lot gets done. And when you get up to 180 with no superfluous actions, the way you look at the game totally changes.
Broodwar since 1998, I've never passed 160apm as a protoss player and my game average at peak was around 120-130. I played against alot of the the Australian pros including legionnaire. I never seen anyone gone close to 300 lol.
@@damiann4734 Korean Zerg and Terran pros from the golden age of BW (mid 2000s) all exceeded 300apm at times.
@@TheRealPDizzle interesting, I usually prefer game average apm rather the peak apm. I've notice a lot of people just spam at the beginning to warm up but after being pressured, their apm just drop below 100. Slayer Boxer apm is around 250, his max is probably 280. Same as nc yell0w. So if you were getting 300+ you could have been a pro player haha. Were you playing in any of the private servers?
@@TheRealPDizzle They still do. Check the latest ASL - games are insane, today's pros are on another level.
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A lot of the mass input spamming is to ensure a command goes through at the earliest possible frame. Since the game has basically no input buffer, any form of lag or mistiming on the exact frame makes the cooldown effectively longer.
i.e mistiming a 1 second cooldown by 1 frame 60 times makes you have 1 less cast of that ability)
Most pro level gamers use rapid fire for creep spread, unit production (Especially for zerg and protoss), etc in SC2. It is the main reason why APM gets inflated and gives the notion that they are spamming. Rapid-fire can push up to 1000APM or more depending on the settings.
Most of the time, pros are spamming in the beginning of the game to warm up their hands and get in the groove if you will. Moving screens around and spamming clicks, etc.
During engagements you rarely see them just spamming one hot key to get a spell out.
The keyboards with the satisfying clicks
That’s why APM is high
Beyond just warming up hands, keeping up with the rapid info dumps the spamming gives you keeps your brain in high gear.
High APM is a result of having control groups created, when you press 1 2 3 or 4 it corresponds with buildings, and you can produce units from your buildings while fighting your opponent on two different fronts, all while expanding your base, so since there is so much going on, their ARM will be high, somtimes they spam select or just look over their building production as a habit, it might be deemed as useless but realistically it is habit, awareness and production.
They say it keeps the pace for the later game too. If you start slow you potentially stay slow.
Even the random clicks and movements are not wasteful if they keep the fingers warm and the mind alert. Maybe it's the same kind of thing as boxers weaving during a fight. Would you call that constant movement waste? I guess it depends what the actions are doing outside the game itself.
I remember a noticeable climb in my own skill when I forced myself to play faster than I was comfortable with, basically on the verge of making many small mistakes, but eventually I got more and more comfortable with the pace.
I’m of the idea that having 10 actions where 6 are useless are better than 3 actions. Maths lol.
Still it’s better to focus on the basics in the beginning rather than speed. If you’re in low diamond with 400 APM then you should probably try and figure out what you’re doing wrong.
Why would you have 400 apm? To high apm is literally bad for your health, even dumber when you realize that 99.99 procent of players will never reach a level that 400apm would give them a benefit. Even if we assume that they are doing the good apm and not just spamming keys to inflate their ego. But forcing you to play faster, really can increase your apm for sure.
I experienced the exact opposite. I was watching Day9 play one time and I noticed that even though he was doing more than I was on the screen, he seemed so chill and deliberate while I felt stressed and sloppy.
I forced myself to try to slow down and try to get 1 action = 1 command instead of spamming right click six times to tell a unit to move. Focused on accuracy instead of speed, and I had a huge spike in rank. When I was spamming commands, my average APM was around 250 and there was no spare time to add more stuff to do. When I slowed down, things were less chaotic and I had more time to dedicate to more multitasking.
Now, I hover around 180 APM on average and I feel so much more in control.
Hell yeah, brother.
As you get higer you start flipping between buildings and army to keep tabs on production , similiarly you will count your larvea and track your upgrades, the clicks become usefull as game progresses
playing fast paced games always took the enjoyment from me. I like slower paced and bask in every details of the game.
There's a lot of stuff to get done later in the game. And even early in the game if you're microing units, duplicated clicks are often very necessary against a skilled opponent because you have to change your unit's movement in response to your opponent in order to gain the upper hand. Example, try microing reapers without duplicating clicks. Or microing your workers against said reapers.
It's rhythm and momentum that's important.
I don't think this is accurate. APM is a proxy for reaction speed. Reaction speed is extremely important and tightly correlated with performance in SC2. APM is spammed so that you can learn to do basic actions in the game as fast as possible, such as switching hotkeys or selecting units. This "spam" is not useless as it trains your ability to perform these actions rapidly, which decreases your reaction latency. Milliseconds matter in SC2 -- they are the difference between a baneling connecting or being focus-fired. Someone with reliably lower action latency will be netting higher yields in every macro and micro action they take, which adds up all game long. Eventually their lead is exponential, they are so far ahead that the lead in and of itself causes a larger lead, which is where they've won the game.
Keeping hands warmed up is true but also keeping a pace is important or you will slow down and get lazy with your actions.
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Pros do it to warm up, then kick into overdrive during intense moments.
Opponent rushes you 3 minutes into the game.
Me: My hands are getting tired. Am I going to die?
Difference between a pro player and a casual. Think of it like this, football/soccer players play for 90 minutes running up and down the field. You're typical joe schmoe can barely last 5 minutes. Same with your example, your hands cramping up is because you haven't trained to make a career out of this.
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The trickest race is the Zerg. With hands like that and manuevering the race who relies on Larvae that's sheesh
For me spamming makes sense. Cause if you never go fast a high stress situation will feel odd.
Because the more stressful I get the less useless kicks I do but my apm tends to stay reasonable, I think if you spam you prepare you brain when you need to be fast but with intention
Im new. My apm is like only 80 . I feel like if my apm was 120 it would be enough. My only problem right now is i sometimes forget to queue unit while fighting 😂 and trool slitting
Playing starcraft 2 ranked is only stressful the first 10 000 games, then it gets more chill :D
3rdly and most importantly if I just do the commands do train units every 3 sec I don't need to watch if those commands do something I just press the keys and if I have the money I build units if not I just do it the next time I press the keys
Have no idea. the faster you click, the more attack your units do.
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I mean, eapm is a thing, and some people have some real high eapm
Yes you are right, if we calculated true apm, it would be a lot lower than calculating all the clicks. but it's not possible to make every click or button count and be weary of that. You can be more efficinet at it, but high intensity, minds going 1000% speed of light, unless you're AI --------- not sure what you can do about it
If you produce 40 sets of zerglings holding z for a few seconds it counts as 40 movements. Rapid fire also increases apm dramatically. Thats why usually zerg players have higher apm and and its also the reason apm on sc2 is higher than other rts that lack rapid fire or hold selection like BW
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Because they endlessly spam usless apm at least 100+ for some players people think this game requires ridiculous apm but i have hit GM using under 100 apm and there was the professional terran player who beat some of the best in the world averaging around 100 apm, its not so much about the apm as it is about efficient apm.
game starts: select 12 workers, spam right clicks= go up to 400 apm
They just doing the piano thing
Having high APM vs maintaining* high APM.
It may be pointless at the start but it does synchronise your brain a bit to be thinking and making fast paced decisions. If you start slow, you will end up thinking slow.
Trust me, as a mostly casual pve player, if I relax at the start, I'll panic later.
0:10 you mean you can be just as effective. And that would mean 2x more efficient. Learn the difference ;)
I can't move my fingers that fast to type or grab food.
I don't want to be that guy, but I won't check out your channel.
You said, pro's don't need high apm... then literally define why pros have high apm and why it is useful... thats very counter intuitive.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, its rythem based, which is what your trying to say. Unfortunately that isn't what is conveyed.
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This happens in fps with weapon switching. Ive also seen a quake 3 player do a "drill" where when they are moving and have to turn, they turn 450 degrees the opposite direction to practice movement stability and flicking.
Also in counterstrike stutterstepping when holding angles so if someone peeks, you are a moving target. Or dancing to hold multiple angles so you are simealtaneously peeking and holding, giving you a chance to gain peekers advantage. That era of shooters has alot of APM that seems figidty but serves a purpose
300 apm is insane. But then I watched Rayner and could second hand carpool tunnel
Half of their APM is useless...
Half of ours are also useless and we make poor decisions.
High APM is important.
There was a sc2 wol pro back in the day that had under 100apm
Back when no one knew hot to play. That is why he is no longer a pro. Others have passed him.
and thats why no one will remember his name?@@havu2236
Look at that dude hit the 0 key, I hardly go past G
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It's just practice and muscle memory. I had an average of 230 APM when I was a fourteen year old. Because all I did was play that game
first dude didn't use camera locations XDDDDDD
I support your channel for the most part but this is straight up wrong - yes some pros waste apm superfluously but the top players truly do make every movement count. There’s a reason why there’s only 2-3 GMs with APM less than 200 on the NA server. Micro makes a difference
Well, there's one important distinction to be made - StarCraft 2 counts both APM and EAPM, where the latter refers to "Effective Actions Per Minute" and it doesn't count any repetitve actions. EAPM is around the same for most pros - it ranges from 120-200, and it's indeed a crucial factor for success. As for APM, the range here is even bigger - from 100 to 400 and even 600-700 with rapid fire commands. A player with 150 APM with 120 EAPM can outplay a player with 300 APM and 120 EAPM. It's often the case between Protoss and Zerg, the latter usually have more APM than other races due to the specifics of how their larva economy works.
All the OG professional SC gamers now suffer from carpal tunnel.
Some players now have it. I think Clem, Cure, or Maru has that issue.
I want to see a pro Starcraft player do a game of age of empires 2, they would suffer from the pathfinding
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I'm in masters and infrequently pass 200 apm (basically no spam). At least I know an actual reason why other people almost always pass 300+ apm now lol. Might try spamming more to see if it makes a difference.
>im in masters
>made team masters a few times in placements
200 apm is minimum for a zerg using harassement and not just macro play
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n nah I made masters in teams several years ago I know it's not difficult. I mean masters in 1v1 as protoss to clarify. I just ended up building a habit of being particular with how I spend my apm
Clicks of intimidation
Short answer: They are nervous.
Lets not forget rapid fire and error commands.
Does anyone have any advice for control groups? I've played this game 20 years and I understand the more I play, the faster I get. I just don't know control groups to save my life. When hell breaks lose I just use tilda key for all my zerg units and lose half of them to running across the map. It's terrible but I'm dumbfounded how to control my army units
Unbind the all army hotkey. It Will force you to use the groups.
*GF*: Ohhh babeeee where did you learn those moves how are you so good....
*Me*:
Apm is also based on units selected. If u command 100 units to move, it counts as 100 "action" even tough only 1 click was made.
Not correct
@@steriskyline4470 yeah sure, those players do 600 action in 1 sec, sounds legit.
@@St4lkerBR It's one group of units moving, so it counts as one action. It sounds crazy that they have 500+ APM but they actually do. If what you say was true, once players have a big army simply moving them around would make probably make that number go in the thousands easily.
@@Seriovsky if u select 100 marines and click move 10 times per sec. Did u do 10 actions per sec or 1000 ? According to the game u did 1000.
@@St4lkerBR I don't know if you're mixing the APM counter with how the game will calculate the pathing of every units when you give a move command to them. I don't know how this work honestly, I guess it cheats in many ways to be efficient and not melt CPUs but still has to define where everyone needs to go because units have collisions and stuff but the APM counter will only register those 10 clicks as a single action each time.
You can check it out easily, start a game and use a metronome. Grab a worker and move it around on rythm... leave the game and check the APM in the replay.
I'm D rank in brood war and have about 140 apm if I'm going fast
What is the second reason you said?
See this game gives the player the freedom to control a lot of things at the same time, unlike other games. If a player wants to adapt to this multi tasking themed game, they need to develop high apm. But APM isn't everything, a person watching your screen will be more impressed by macro, micro decisions not seeing all the crazy APM happening.
Basset, is it you?
Zerg players: z key goes brrrrr
t key goes brrrr tho
APM is the stupidest thing that ever happened.
Because of stimpack.
Every like matters!
Thanks!
How much is true effective apm?
I thought it came from sc1, where you had to click on every building to make a unit and you could select only 12 units (no f2 of course). I remember there was even an alarm if your APM was lower then min level.
There is no in game warning for 'low' APM is SC1 and SC2.
@@Varuga I'm not sure, but I probably saw it in settings in remastered
There is in remastered@@bahorvan7990
TLDR, spamming 2 buttons when the actions aren’t even available. It’s why I hate sc pros. Button mashers to the extreme.
I play protoss,I just don't use keyboard 😂
Meanwhile I'll watch 90 APM destroy High APM.
Or 2 apm cannon rush. Only reserved for the true masters.
Well, I know one thing. I will never play that game that way.
Because they play in cybercafe they play like being Chase by ghost
Even half of their APM means 3-4 clicks per second throughout the entire game, not for me still
And ruin their hands.
This guy has 50apm and is camping in Silver League since 2010😂😂
This video is only relevant for the first few minutes of the game.
watch Serral of Clem play very few clicks are wasted!
i knew it :) lol
Because they pad their apm. Next question.
unnecessary clicking != apm.
Starcraft Brood War pro's be like ☠️
APM...
Actual pointless maneuvers
This is true early but late game zerg i am using all of my 200 to 250 apm it aint spam lol.
Says someone who never won championship of sc2.
Well I once won a local LAN in my homecountry (Basset was my previous ID) - liquipedia.net/starcraft2/RFCS_Open_Cup . I'm also in GM since 2016
@@EsportsStoryteller local LAN! that bring back memories lol
One day I will get over 30 apm, one day.
They don't have a life. They have free time to play everyday.