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I took a screenshot of this video where you can see horizontal lines from this new VTX the lines are still there it's easier to see if you watch the video again and look in the corners where I highlighted Horizontal lines from vtx imgur.com/gallery/xo3JH2Q
Yeah It's a handy little trick for filling those gaps. Also useful in some builds depending on the model. I hope to get some more winter shots but the problem is its just so cold and windy right now... plus a lot of low cloud so sometimes my flying field is in the clouds with very poor visibility :/ Cheers
Nice review - I like your foam repair. I always frisby launch my AR900 with a shake start for auto-launch, after blending a finger from a bad auto-launch using the skids to grip. This is a reliable way to launch without requiring any idle throttle.
Thanks 😊 I’ve used that method before, but luckily I’ve never had a prop to hand incident 😱 hope your injury wasn’t too bad!! Yeah I think it’s a nice easy repair that some people might not think about and it’s really handy to fill those gaps 👌🏻
I know this is an older video, but I just had the identical experience with the maiden of my 1st arwing pro. Crashed into short tough bushes like you and destroyed the front of the fuselage, although mine split in 1/2 horizontally. I was lucky to find it after nearly 3 hours of bush bashing. Thanks for sharing that tip about making expanding glue. I'm going to need to do that. Thanks for the info, and safe flying.
You're the man of many ticks and a lot of knowledge, I'm surprised I knew something you didn't 😁 remind me where you're based? Maybe we might be able to fly together soon with these restrictions lifting now
Those lines are can be a solder joint on vtx to where your getting power. Or power lines to close to attenna wire.. one fix.. Dji very well done great video! !ll Cheers and God bless 👊👊💪💪
Find really interesting you didn't try to use a repeater... In my humble opinion the transmitter have some kind of harmonics... that actually are interacting with your VRX.. using a repeater would allow you to stay far from the Receiver and check that theory.. I mean if the transmitter is a good quality there's no good reason to walk away from it.(Plus consider as well moving the transmitter to the tip of the opposite wing away from the Crossfire RX)... Best of luck!! I do plan to put an plywood "Spine in the center of the fuselage & set up a hook so I can use a bungee cord "I do have a bad shoulder and can not give my self the privilege of throwing it like every one else... Great video I really enjoy it!
Hey, not sure if you have commented on the wrong video here. The only issue encountered here was a dodgy Vtx. Even with the control link gear all turned off the video still had the same problem. Cheers
The timestamps are really handy. I'm not currently interested in the vtx+camera+rx but I may well be in future. Makes the video more enjoyable now and more useful in the future.
The great thing is that after your 86 test and setup flights including all the crashes, to get iNav working well, you can just order a Fuse as they are available as a spare part ! :)
If you can order the fuse separate thats really nice. Most companies don't offer this. iNav is all good for me mostly. Been using it for years and this is my first issue with it in a long time... and it was my own fault really
i had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with my drift. i threw it. it maintained altitude at like 20 feet and i'm doing all sorts to try and get it out of autolaunch. ended up doing that moving the throttle to 0 and of course when i did that ..... it turned turtle and ended up in a puddle.
You always do well-thought out videos. Fantastic! I've been following you since 5 years ago. And now that I am going back to long range fixed-wing hobby - glad that you still do awesome video content. p.s I still used ezuhf and apm2.6 fc hahaha Now just ordered this AR wing pro and dipping my toes to iNav.
Welcome back and thanks for the support. iNav is good once you get the hang of it, little bit of a learning curve. I'd suggest you use something like Crossfire over EZuhf though😃 cheers
If on wing you put crossfire antenna vertical, you need put verticaly antenna on tx unit. Advice: replace tx antenna to moxon 915 (868), and replace t-mortal standart antenna on wing to tune on 915 (868) dipole.
Hi, thanks for the comment. I think a couple of people may have been confused by the fact that I store the antenna on the tx horizontally... I'd never fly with it like this, wouldn't be very good for performance on linear antennas 😅 I'll check out the 915 gear. thanks
Nice comments on the Ratel 2. Good to see they can improve an already great cam. I’ve seen there’s a Ratel Mini too with a larger lens, which may have better optics. Lots of cool stuff in this video Adam. You always get the best scenery too.
Nice, I've not heard of the Ratel Mini, I'll check it out. They made a couple of other changes on the Ratel 2 like a wider angle lens, but I just see that as a personal preference thing rather than an upgrade. Cheers, glad you enjoyed it. One of those videos that ended up a lot longer than intended but there was just a lot I wanted to cover. This could have been 1 hour long if i's said all of the things I was thinking haha. Yeah the scenery is always great when you get a nice blanket of snow... however, my car can't make it up the steep icy road so I had to walk up about 500m 😅 cheers mate
@@AdamGdoesFPV to be honest, I read about the optics on the Ratel 2, and the wider angle, which put me off a little. The “DJI” glass could be better, but the preview image looked a fair bit more fisheye, but probably not enough to notice in flight. The Mini I think has been out for a little while. It was after the baby, but before the 2. I didn’t notice it until last night, when I was looking at cameras for the next project. That walk was worth it though. It looked stunning 👍🏻
The lines in the video are emf from the fan running so close to the tranciever chip and power circuit. Try unplugging the fan and see if the lines go away
@@AdamGdoesFPV geez! That's a bummer. Looks like it would be a decent vtx. I stuck with tbs after dealing with alot of hakrc and akk stuff. Never used tramp or rush stuff. The pro32 is an amazing vtx even the nano32 is awsome in my 3inch and whoop stuff! Smaller than a stamp. Have you tried the pro32 yet? Saw in the video you had one. I know they were pushing close to 2w when it came out but an update dropped that to closer to 1w bc of cooling issues. But I don't see why if being mounted on a wing with constant air flow that it would be a issue and with a crossfire and if you use their goggle reciever and wifi you can get dynamic power to the vtx as well! I fly a ar900 and only have a unify pro 800mw with triple feed patch and pagoda antennas with the stock dipole antenna I got 17km range over the ocean 1 way on 800mw and 500mw crsf power! Have the full size crsf TX @2w I bet if I went to 1.2/1.3ghz video my only limit is the batt! Building my own packs out of my imr vape Batts. 3000mah 45a continuous draw Batts I'm going to try making 3s3p pack so 9000mah I'd get a good solid hour of fast flying! Lol. Probubly gonna be my last flight with it knowing me! Lost my 7inch quad on the side of a mountain that was 5 miles away from me at home point and another 2500 feet up the mountain side on the other side of the peak! I called that a wash! Lol! Keep up the great videos! I enjoy them alot! RUclips and this hobby is getting stale after 6 years of watching daily! Your content is what I look for and like watching the most! Thank you!
Man what a great video, I too have installed crossfire micro tx v2 and nano receiver on my C1 chaser, this worries me since i haven't flew this wing yet with crossfire and i do use auto launch but i've always just moved either stick to cancel auto launch i hope its still that way with crossfire. Ive learned alot from your channel just like repairs you made here looks great, once i get my yaapu telemetry worked out and some decent weather ill try out this crossfire.Thanks for all your help
Very good video!! You remind me of another friend.. Be getting my first wing soon. I fly drones now. When gps is activated 0 throttle also.. and yep time goes fast quick when flying 💪💪👊👊
Fantastic video Adam! I love your videos so much. I also just switched from a QX7 to the TX16s and I like it. I also use crossfire and it is great. The TBS VTX you showed that you'll be getting is the one I have on almost all of my rigs. VERY good VTX and you will not be disappointed. Recommend you download the "TBS Agent X" so you can keep your TBS TX that's on the back of your TX16s and your TBS VTX up to date with firm wear. Thank you again for your amazing content! Cheers!!
Thanks for the great feedback :D Yes I installed the TBS Agent lite a couple of days ago, looks smart and loads faster! Nice little upgrade! Thanks again!
@@AdamGdoesFPV No problem Adam! After watching your video, I went to watch a video on Joshua Bardwell's channel. He shows that you can now have TBS Agent X on your TX! (OPENTX USERS) I have it on my TX16s and it is great! Figured I'd share that with you!
The lines on your 1W VTX may be due to the fan. You could try temporarily disabling the fan to see if that helps. If so, then an LC-filter on the power to the fan will probably help.
Yeah I mentioned this to someone else too. I nearly opened it to disable the fan but just never bothered. I do suspect it could be the cause of the problem (it’s a shame you can’t disable the fan through a menu). I’ll try it when I get chance and let you know what happens.
@@AdamGdoesFPV That's a pity. Perhaps it's the inbuilt regulator in the VTX then if the lines appear always (even with motor off and fan off). In that case, there's not much hope for it.
Laminating the leading edge is always a good idea. If you think you might crash, laminating the whole plane might be a good idea. It's amazing how much strength it adds!
Nice review! My thoughts on the PandaRC VTX is that its magnetic interference from the brushless fan right on top of the amplifier. Doesn't surprise me at all.
I like your expanding foam repair, very novel....I hate the fact you are forced to use a big GoPro to get CG, even though you have a big flight lipo in there...Oh, you need to get the new TBS App on your SD card...an App that runs inside otx..!!! I also have the exact same Radiomaster, agree about the ratchet and stick tensions...🤔🤔😳😯🇬🇧
Cheers mate 😀 Yeah I can see how it would be annoying for people with a light HD cam... but for me this was always going to be my setup and it just happened to be spot on for CG. I added the TBS agent a few days ago, very smart, you wouldn't get to appreciate it properly on the X9D. I'm hoping I can fix the gimbal preferences, will let you know how I get on 👍🏻
@@AdamGdoesFPV Cool, yeah, not having a ratchet to speak of is annoying, but the TX itself is great. So much easier to operate and navigate with that scroll wheel...🤔😳😳🇬🇧
Excellent review Adam and you covered a lot. It’s interesting that you tried the tbs crossfire and would love to hear how you got on at low level compared to your dragon link. I use the crossfire and find it fantastic. It’s also cheaper and easier all round than dragon link. Excellent review👍
@@AdamGdoesFPV I wasn’t Into them at first but now I’m all about fpv everything. I like how your broke down everything as well as talking about the crash. All was very interesting to me. Much love Adam!
Excellent presentation. I'd agree with your impressions of the ARWingPro and Crossfire. How strong is your expanding filler? I have repairs to complete on mine!
I know this is old video but I've watched several times LOL, I'm still flying the ar wing pro with a 4s 5200mah lipo but thinking about going with same battery you have here I'm looking to get alittle more flight time but to be honest i worried about amp draw when launching,loops and rolls. Should this be a concern? This bird is right at 1400gr but cruises around 6amp but much more at full throttle. How much flight time do you get with this battery? Thanks for all your videos
Hey, from memory I was getting minimum 30mins and would easily get 1h just cruising. The li-ion can output around 20a continuously which is nice for medium speed flying. You can punch the throttle for loops at the start of the flight but as it gets to lower end of its voltage range you’ll have a lot less power, even to the point where you can just about maintain cruise amps. I happily used li-ion for most flights on my AR Pro and it’s fine, just don’t expect the same punch or sustained power as lipo.
Change your cli setting for nav_fw_launch_accel. A lower setting will detect a lighter toss. It is default set to detect @ 1.8 kilograms. Your toss didn't activate this, thus never making it into flight mode. It is covered in the documentation.
Oh I know all of this and understand every launch parameter. Sometimes it takes a little trial and error to get the correct value. The purpose of showing this was to help others that experience the same issue 😊👍🏻
can you do the video of setting this wing in INAV or share the INAV settings for this wing? this is my first fixed-wing and first experience with INAV thanx
I'd probably mount the camera where I currently have my FC and put the FC in the rear bay with the esc. Unless your camera would fit between your battery and FC where it is. Then just add a couple of skids on the bottom of the fuse either side of the cam to give it some clearance.
😣 uh oh, that’s not what I wanted to hear. I’ll still give it a go at some point abs I’ll let you know how it goes. Weird how off putting it was for me flying with the stick feeling ‘smooth’.
@@AdamGdoesFPV Ratcheting throttles are kind of seen as "old hat" now. It was a thing, but almost everyone (especially in the quad world) never fly with a ratcheting throttle. This is because you'll just have less throttle resolution. There are 1000 throttle values, but you're limiting yourself to 100?. For fixed wing it doesn't really change much though. I use to fly quads but only fly fixed wing now and there's no way I could go back to a ratcheting throttle. I think Radiomaster just saw themselves moving with the times. I don't believe the Taranis Hall effect ship with a ratcheting throttle either these days.
It seems if you have crossfire failsafe set to cut and inav set to RTH when you turn off radio it would return to home, I don't get the Emergency landing unless there was malfunction or maybe I'm missing something. Thanks
Yeah that's right I have the CF set to cut/no pulses and FS set to RTH. I also have emergency landing set to 'never' haha. Seems like a quirk with this particular scenario that may not have been considered. I think iNav can't quite understand if the plane is on the ground or in the air. Oh well at least we all know how to prevent this from now on. Cheers
Awesome tip about the gorilla glue! I've been using the same stuff for ages but never thought to mix it with it! Brilliant idea! I've been using the ratel 2 for a few days now but can't figure out how to get it to handle daytime lighting propperly, mine as stock seems to have very high exposure i dont know if you found the same? Would you mind sharing some camera settings to help me out id you did change any? Thanks mate 👍
Here are some good settings for autolaunch with the AR pro, I'm doing the over head launch. set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 150 set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1600 set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180 set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1350 set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 0 set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 500
I see you have to land fast to prevent the tip stall.....Have you noticed the unrecoverable spin of death if you go too slow(35mph) in the air? Not a recommended plane in my mind.
Until recently I never used idle throttle either, and I still only use it on planes that really benefit from it. The failure to detect launch but still making it airborne isn't actually a problem at all if you know how to exit AL, so it won't worry me if this happens again 🙂 Cheers
👍👍👍 You mentioned how it's a little more tricky to throw than the AR900... now that you have autolaunch figured out, would you try the double handed overhead style launch... with the tx on the ground/table?
I don't think so no, never liked the idea of the prop coming past my face 😅 I still prefer to hold where the fuselage joins the wing with thumb on top and fingers underneath. Cheers
I have not done much flying the last couple of years but I plan to get back into it and am building 3 wings; the Dart XL En, the AR Wing and the AR Wing Pro. Being more of a fixed wing pilot but not a "wing" pilot which one do you think I should start flying first to make things easy? Also, after I saw the video of your crash my faith in INAV dropped a bit. Might try Ardupilot, not sure?
I'd say either of the AR wings, whichever you've finished first. Having said that the Dart XL is easy to fly too... but maybe a bit less forgiving if crashed. Don't let this crash put you off iNav, it's pretty good, and I understand why it's designed to behave the way it did in this video... if only i'd known to just drop the throttle I could have just carried on my flight. Ardu is a steeper learning curve, not as user friendly, but it's personal preference really. Cheers
Hi, I'm one of the few people that just doesn't care about telemetry so I never needed to use a 4th cable on the rx. However, I'd share the ground pin with the servo if i really wanted to use that 4th cable. Cheers
What's it like flying with lithium ion. I know your can't draw as many amps. But Is that a case of go easy with it. Or it just won't deliver it when you push the throttle ?? I too have an ar wing pro and am contemplating lipo with liion thanks Steve
Li-ion will give a bit of punch early on but they don’t like any sustained high amp draw and will drop in voltage quickly. Towards the end of its voltage range Ali-ion will really struggle and full throttle will give you barely any more than slow cruise. For medium throttle to low cruise they are all good. If you want to fly acro or fast etc then go lipo. I set mine up for both depending on my mood.
@@lurgy1 😅😅 yeah it's not a nice feeling when you think you're completely locked out and don't know why. I'm lucky it went round in a circle rather than heading straight off into the distance
@@AdamGdoesFPV I had something similar last time I flew when I had changed the return to home setting. I done rth and launch mode as I normally do and it carried on flying out until it got to the rth height (not normal for me) but was a fast model and it got quite far out before I realised to switch rth off lol.
Yeah there is that typical wing yaw wag... but I'll be interested to see what it's like in normal conditions, it was really nasty and windy for every one of these flights. Cheers
Ah to be fair to Sonicmodel they can't really produce a wing at this cost that can cope with a crash like this, I actually thought it did ok. Before I found it I was expecting it to go straight in the bin, yet it's back together and been flying well again :)
Hi Mark, yes I do believe this is a good wing for beginners. Easy to work with due to all the space, pre built slots for all your gear, a decent wingspan and it's easy to fly. Maybe a beginner that is not confident on the launch may want to enlist some help to start with though. Cheers
Hi, I have no interest in telemetry so I only used 3 pins for the CF. However, when I have done something similar in the past I have joined the GND cable at both ends to free up a spare pin. Cheers
@@eltio77556 Yeah, that's all you need if you don't want to get data back from your FC to you on the ground. Personally I find I have everything I need to know on the OSD
Cool! How did you manage to wire the receiver if there are only 3 free outputs(6-3 for servo) on the connector? Did you use GND for both servo and receiver?
Hi Mark, on my CF rx I only use 3 cables as I have no interest in telemetry. However, if I was someone who did want to use all 4 cables I would do as you mentioned and share the GND pin for both the servo and Rx. Cheers 👍🏻
Hi Adam! Thank you very much for your interesting channel and very informative videos. I would like to ask a few questions. Firstly, about the DJI OSMO ACTION camera. Are you satisfied with this camera or should I buy HERO 7,8,9? Do you use light filters and if yes which ones (ND-8, ND-16?)? The flight video taken with the Dji camera looks awesome. What settings do you use? (4k 60fpc?, auto shutter? auto ISO?) Second question about AR WING PRO wing model. Do you think the wing has advantages compared to twin-engine aircraft models like the MFD Crosswind. I have the AR WING PRO model now, but it's not fully assembled yet. And to be honest after watching your videos about MFD Crosswind I have doubts whether I should try to fly it or sell the wing and buy MFD Crosswind. What is the advantage of flying wings in general, are they more fun to fly? are they more stable? are they faster? I need a relatively small, easily transportable model for stable mid-wind flying, night flying, long long distance flying, for flying in the mountains. Can you recommend a model? For now, likes MFD Crosswind and NIMBUS 1800. I really beg you to answer, it's important to me. Thank you very much!
Hi, and thank you for the great feedback 😊 I am satisfied with the Osmo Action and for now I have no intention to purchase any gopro. I believe the GP 8 and 9 got quite large in size, but the Osmo isn't too bad. I never have any issues with it and I always hear about people having problems with the gopros. I run mine on 4K 60fps with RockSteady on most of the time. I never use any ND filters and it stays in auto shutter and auto ISO. The AR Pro and MCW are quite different. For quiet, long range cruising with camera panning etc the MCW is the winner. The AR Pro is a lot more compact, aerobatic and less time consuming to build. Depends how you want to fly I guess 😀 Good luck with whichever camera and plane you choose. Cheers 👍🏻
@@AdamGdoesFPV Thank you for your reply. But I'll ask again. I see that you fly a lot of wing models. What's their sweet spot, what makes them so appealing to so many people. It seems to me they are quite difficult to control, especially in windy conditions, they are not stable, very sensitive to the centre of gravity setting, don't like low speed and are prone to stall, may be prone to yaw effect. Am I forgetting something?)) So where are the pros? Could the wing be a good FPV carrier for filming cinematic clips for example in the mountains. Or are they designed for something else after all.
@@ninanowak1992 Yeah it's true I do have a few wings, but I have had way more traditional planes than wings. My current fleet includes: - 3 x wings - 7 x planes - 2 x Draks (people cannot decide if these are wings or planes haha. personally I see them as wings) Advantages of wings: - Less complexity, only 2 control surfaces and therefore only 2 servos required - Generally easier to build and easier to laminate. - Easier to transport in 1 piece and less likely to get damaged as less parts that stick out - Generally wings are cheaper I find - 99.9% of wings have pusher config making them ideal for FPV unlike planes. - More likely to survive a crash than a plane The Zcon is my favourite wing due to it being fast and efficient, it can stay in the air for a long time too. It's quite stable in yaw, probably because of it's huge verts, and it can glide for a long time! I love that I get it out of the car, no construction, plug the lipo in and throw :) Hope this helps
@@AdamGdoesFPV Thank you so much for your time and for your comprehensive response. Maybe I should stick to the original plan and try to assemble the AR Wing PRO to the end and try flying it, then I will know for sure the pros and cons. As I understand it, the AR Wing PRO is one of the best wing models. So probably a good start))) Thank you so hugely once again. And good luck with your projects.
Yes I was very easy to apply the receivers to my models and binding and updating was a breeze whit the crossfire I got the tango 2 transmitter as well and that is nice
Yeah I agree, ease of use on the Crossfire is so refreshing in a hobby full of complicated equipment. Form factor, stock availability and price are all good too 😎 now to find out if it can cope with some of my more challenging flights that Dragonlink handles with ease.
@@AdamGdoesFPV can’t see why it won’t equal dragon link perhaps use the diversity Rx instead of the nano but from what I’ve seen on social media tbs crossfire is pretty good
Thanks :) I think from memory it tells you in the supplied instructions, something like 1mm up from centre. But yes it's just to get you started and you can trim it out in the maiden. Good luck 😃
Sadly it took a while when there were problems with the post last year. It got from China to Amsterdam in about 10 days... and then the rest of its journey took like 2 months 😣 I’d say it should be all good now though. Cheers 😃
Yet another reason why I do the dummy launch. I never trust the autolaunch detection. Love autolaunch, although hate/don't see why I can't just tell the wing when it's launched rather than it trying to dead-reckon it's way into guessing when a launch has occurred. Every time you post about it on the INav group you start a war though.
To be honest I can fully understand the reasoning behind its behaviour, but at the same time it's not ideal because people like me and up with a crash from it. The reason I wanted to show this first was because I want others to know how simply lowering the throttle stick to 0 will allow them to regain control. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Adam ..what's the main difference flight characteristics or purpose wise,... between an ARWing Pro, and a ZOHD Talon GT? I,m wanting to get into wings from kwads...but am a bit confused as to what wing configuration to chooseto start..😳🤔
Wings tend to be a simpler build and can withstand a bash a bit better. Talon GT has more parts sticking out which could be damaged in a crash, but will be more stable in yaw and you have a rudder for more precise control.
@@AdamGdoesFPV Ah..many thanks Adam, appreciate you're clarification 👍🍻...I,ll move on to the Talon GT Rebel later this year once the online shops here in England can get stock in again.😲 Lovin all your long range vids along the coast needless to say.🚀
Hi how many wires do you have running from your xfire receiver? I see if you uese the wing plug you are limited to 3 wires and some xfire setups like mine with mavlink passthrough use 4. Thanks
I was going to talk about this in the video but decided to cut it out due to the length. I use 3 cables because I have no interest in telemetry, so for me it’s easy. However, if I did want to use 4 cables I would simply use 1 of the 6 pins for 2 x GDN cables and then use the spare pin for the 4th rx cable. A little extra faff but once it’s done you’re sorted.
Hey Darren, I have a question on the ar wing pro with inav please explain proper way of setting up max servo deflection, the manual says 12mm max but mine is much more also Manuel says level 1.5 to 2mm I'm assuming that means that much up on alerions with plane level. How is yours setup? As always thanks
Hey. I don’t have mine anymore but for rates you can setup in iNav. Adjust the weight until the surfaces move that much in each direction, but must do that in manual mode
Thanks Darren I understand now, I'm thinking about getting rid of mine too, flying ok but not near as smooth as my c1 chaser using same camera the ar wing pro very shakey video not jello but shaking it must be a problem with this wing, just curious if this is why yours is gone? As always thanks
Could the lines in the video be related to the fan running on the vtx ? I've had similar lines appear when once mounted my vtx too close to the motor on a mini AR wing...
I had this thought about the fan too. I tried a few things to solve the problem but didn’t want to spend a lot of time talking about it in an already long video 😅 I nearly took it apart to disable the fan just to find out what causes it. It’s definitely just an issue isolated to the vtx as it happens on the bench nowhere near any other electronics, on any power output level. When I simply unplug and replace with any other vtx it’s an instant clear picture. Maybe this is just faulty 🤷🏻♂️ who knows. Thanks for watching and for commenting 👍🏻
Hey, I haven't yet because I fitted a Matek 1.3g for some Crossfire + 1.3g testing. I will probably install the TBS in the next month or so though. It gets great reviews from many others so I'd say go for it
@@AdamGdoesFPV thanks. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. I know you typically are a 1.2/1.3 ghz fan. Curious to see how you are ranging with the 5.8 system
I'm going to disable the fan to see if that's the issue. But yeah it's not ideal to have those lines on a vtx when using it straight out the box. Cheers
Thank you for posting this review. I just finished acquiring the PNP edition of this wing. How do you program the Sonic model 40a ESC that it comes with? Have you been able to find a manual for it? If so, do you mind posting a link on where I can find it? Thanks in advance. Cheers!
Cheers. From memory I think I used the programming instructions from the Dart XL. ZOHD / Sonicmodel are same people and I think escs are same with different branding. It worked for me: myosuploads3.banggood.com/products/20200803/20200803052400ZOHDDartXLEnhancedVersionManual-LD.pdf
@@AdamGdoesFPV not my point at all. Just saying it is smaller. You sounded genuinely surprised how small that reciever is. And any gram saved is a plus in aeronautics. #themoreyouknow
Just had an unsuccessful maiden today with this wing attributed to a bad hand launch. What’s your recommendation for hand launching this wing? I’m a newbie to flying wings. I’ve seen some recommend “overhead vertical launch” and others “side wing toss”. Any tips? Thanks in advance
Sorry to hear that. My method is to hold it close to the FPV camera with fingers underneath and thumb on top. I have a video demo on my Facebook page of me launching this wing (link in description). I also use Autolaunch though and it does try to roll over but Autolaunch corrects it with ease
@@AdamGdoesFPV proud to report I had a successful maiden today. Thank you for pointing me to the right direction. This wing is amazing! Basically flies itself. Cheers!
I never heard of using PVA glue for this purpose. You can just activate the PU/Gorilla glue with a drop of water and stirring. It will then expand on its own and you can apply it part way through expansion when you like the consistency. Does PVA help out?
You know the funny thing is it’s designed to go with water and that’s what the instructions say to use... I learnt to use it with PVA many years ago and now I’ve completely forgotten the benefit 🤣🤣 just became habit. The black dye would have been a nice idea 👍🏻
Hey Darren it's been a while and hope your doing well, I have this wing on the way and planning on installing inav 3.0.1 I noticed inav has added the ar wing pro to the presets, I've looked at your inav diff. Settings and wondering what you changed from the preset ? Or did you use the inav ar wing pro preset? Any advise will be appreciated Thanks
Thanks for video and reply, I'm still waiting on my sonicmodell AR.Wing pro but I did flash a new f405-wing with inav 3.0.1 and there's no longer any presets to choose from so I'll see how that goes. Any advise/ tips on this wing would be welcome, I have the pnp version coming and planning on a lipo battery and no camera until I maiden I've been reading were people having trouble hitting cg with this wing so trying to decide what size lipo to use without adding lead. Thanks again
That irks me that you cant get out of launch mode by changing flight modes. In my eyes that is a ballsup by the devs if true. In ardupilot you can change flight mode to get out of auto launch mode as you should be able to. i keep trying to find reasons to come back to inav but this issue has postponed that move.
I believe the reason you cannot change to manual mode for example is that when you exit auto launch from idle throttle it will go to stick level throttle. So if you use a low idle like 15%, you push the stick up to 100% for post launch throttle, they don’t want knocking a stick to allow it to shoot up to 100% unintentionally. Not ideal but now I know how to regain control it won’t be an issue again, I’m just glad I found out now on a lower cost model and I didn’t lose it. Luckily it went in a circle rather than straight 😳 thanks for watching 😊
So far Crossfire seems pretty solid with a perfect link out to 5km on just 500mw... but then again that should be the case. I love Crossfire for it's usability and appearance... but I won't make a judgement on it's ability during a more challenging flight just yet. I'm tempted to put 1.3 on this wing but it doesn't exactly lend itself to 1.3g CP antennas... I'll have a think. One thing is for sure, I will be combining CF and 1.3 soon for a low river run flight. Cheers
@@adamtavener6345 Very Impressive. I guess you have the full size 2w Tx? I don't tend to do much range, it's more the low altitude behind objects flying that challenges my video and control links
This is the AR Pro PNP kit which comes with Motor, ESC & Servos ► tiny.cc/AR-Wing-Pro For a full kit list with links please see video description. Thanks for watching and please remember to hit the thumbs up or down before leaving 🙌🏻
I took a screenshot of this video where you can see horizontal lines from this new VTX the lines are still there it's easier to see if you watch the video again and look in the corners where I highlighted
Horizontal lines from vtx imgur.com/gallery/xo3JH2Q
Mate i can't thank you enough for the gorilla glue and PVA glue thing you just saved a plane from going in the bin)
Glad to hear it 😁 a lot of people have commented about this, good to hear it’s helped 👌🏻
I know its an old video but stil very enjoyable to watch. Really good explained and pleasant to watch. Well done Adam 👍🏼
@@OneOfTheRobs thanks for watching and for the feedback 😎👍🏻
Looking forward to seeing some more of this gorgeous winter flying scenery.
Thanks for the PVA glue tip. That a very useful to know. :)
Yeah It's a handy little trick for filling those gaps. Also useful in some builds depending on the model. I hope to get some more winter shots but the problem is its just so cold and windy right now... plus a lot of low cloud so sometimes my flying field is in the clouds with very poor visibility :/ Cheers
At least we can all be on guard for this, I'm glad you got it fixed
Yeah it could have been way worse! Hopefully this video will help prevent others have the same issue. Cheers
Thanks for putting in the indexes or chapter sections so I can go back and review. Your videos are always very useful.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks :D
Nice review - I like your foam repair. I always frisby launch my AR900 with a shake start for auto-launch, after blending a finger from a bad auto-launch using the skids to grip. This is a reliable way to launch without requiring any idle throttle.
Thanks 😊 I’ve used that method before, but luckily I’ve never had a prop to hand incident 😱 hope your injury wasn’t too bad!! Yeah I think it’s a nice easy repair that some people might not think about and it’s really handy to fill those gaps 👌🏻
nice trick with the gorilla glue and pva
Thanks 😊 hopefully this helps a few others when they have similar issues with missing chunks of foam 😅
Nice video. Love the repair section. Did not think of using laminate for leading edge. Good idea. Looking to buy this wing.
Thanks 😊 laminating the leading edge is great for all wings as it just gives it that extra bit of protection 👍🏻
Fantastic solution to fixing that hole so glad you showed that! Thanks
No problem 👍 glad it was useful :D
That girls glue/PVA glue is a great idea
Does the trick 👌🏻😁
I know this is an older video, but I just had the identical experience with the maiden of my 1st arwing pro. Crashed into short tough bushes like you and destroyed the front of the fuselage, although mine split in 1/2 horizontally. I was lucky to find it after nearly 3 hours of bush bashing. Thanks for sharing that tip about making expanding glue. I'm going to need to do that. Thanks for the info, and safe flying.
Glad you found it! Thanks for watching and commenting 😁 good luck with the repair
very good video...i like all the links in your description
Glad to hear it was useful, thanks for watching :)
That trick of PVA glue and gorilla glue is nice, I didn't know that or thought of that idea.
You're the man of many ticks and a lot of knowledge, I'm surprised I knew something you didn't 😁 remind me where you're based? Maybe we might be able to fly together soon with these restrictions lifting now
@@AdamGdoesFPV oh no, I just remix and share knowledge, I'm in Blanchardstown. Let me know.
Those lines are can be a solder joint on vtx to where your getting power. Or power lines to close to attenna wire.. one fix.. Dji very well done great video! !ll Cheers and God bless 👊👊💪💪
Thanks for the info. From a visual inspection it looks fine, but I won't be wasting any more time on it now. Cheers
Find really interesting you didn't try to use a repeater... In my humble opinion the transmitter have some kind of harmonics... that actually are interacting with your VRX.. using a repeater would allow you to stay far from the Receiver and check that theory.. I mean if the transmitter is a good quality there's no good reason to walk away from it.(Plus consider as well moving the transmitter to the tip of the opposite wing away from the Crossfire RX)... Best of luck!! I do plan to put an plywood "Spine in the center of the fuselage & set up a hook so I can use a bungee cord "I do have a bad shoulder and can not give my self the privilege of throwing it like every one else... Great video I really enjoy it!
Hey, not sure if you have commented on the wrong video here. The only issue encountered here was a dodgy Vtx. Even with the control link gear all turned off the video still had the same problem. Cheers
Excellent video. Thank you for all of the details and for including the repair information.
Thanks for watching! You're welcome :)
Lines in video can be from ground Loop, also because your video cable is not shilded, also if its just 5cm,.. shield it helps a lot
To be honest I've given up on this vtx, but thanks for the input😃
The timestamps are really handy. I'm not currently interested in the vtx+camera+rx but I may well be in future. Makes the video more enjoyable now and more useful in the future.
Glad to hear it 👍🏻 this is exactly what I added the time stamps for, to save you the frustration of listening to something you’re not interested in 😊
Ha, the first thing I notice in this vid: you also are a fan of the ikea pegwall, aren't you? :)
Great vid - thanks! Greets from Austria, Mario
Haha of course, who in this hobby is NOT a fan of the ikea peg wall 😂 thanks Mario, I appreciate the comment 👍🏻
The great thing is that after your 86 test and setup flights including all the crashes, to get iNav working well, you can just order a Fuse as they are available as a spare part ! :)
If you can order the fuse separate thats really nice. Most companies don't offer this. iNav is all good for me mostly. Been using it for years and this is my first issue with it in a long time... and it was my own fault really
i had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with my drift. i threw it. it maintained altitude at like 20 feet and i'm doing all sorts to try and get it out of autolaunch. ended up doing that moving the throttle to 0 and of course when i did that ..... it turned turtle and ended up in a puddle.
Well at least you figured it out lol. shame about the crash though, that's unlucky
Can't wait for the review and thought's on the CrossFire 👀
Yeah I need to get a CF & 1.3 setup ready to test this out properly 😁 oh and some good weather 😒 cheers
You always do well-thought out videos. Fantastic! I've been following you since 5 years ago. And now that I am going back to long range fixed-wing hobby - glad that you still do awesome video content. p.s I still used ezuhf and apm2.6 fc hahaha Now just ordered this AR wing pro and dipping my toes to iNav.
Welcome back and thanks for the support. iNav is good once you get the hang of it, little bit of a learning curve. I'd suggest you use something like Crossfire over EZuhf though😃 cheers
Great review. Looking forward to you flying this one on you low level course.
Thanks Pete, me too :D
If on wing you put crossfire antenna vertical, you need put verticaly antenna on tx unit.
Advice: replace tx antenna to moxon 915 (868), and replace t-mortal standart antenna on wing to tune on 915 (868) dipole.
Hi, thanks for the comment. I think a couple of people may have been confused by the fact that I store the antenna on the tx horizontally... I'd never fly with it like this, wouldn't be very good for performance on linear antennas 😅 I'll check out the 915 gear. thanks
nice one Adam . always great to see a new video ..keep up the good work !
Thanks 👍 I appreciate your support on my videos 😁
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Learned alot from your vid👍👌
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching and for the feedback🙌🏻
Decrice asseliration on launch from 1962 to 1500, and launch speed from 3m/s to 2m/s. And you can throw it over head, like mini drak.
My launch settings are all good, it was just a bad throw. Never been a fan of overhead 2 handed approach, don't want the prop coming across my face :/
Awesome video. Looking forward to seeing you send this out on some longer runs to see how it compares to your 433/1.3 setups. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks😃 It will be interesting for sure once i get chance to test it properly. Cheers
Another great video...love the flight footage.
Thanks Ben 🙌🏻😁 it’s a shame I didn’t get a bit more footage on the snow day... the second flight/crash out an end to flying that day 😅
Really good video again mate! Polished!
Cheers Josh 🙌🏻
Nice comments on the Ratel 2. Good to see they can improve an already great cam. I’ve seen there’s a Ratel Mini too with a larger lens, which may have better optics.
Lots of cool stuff in this video Adam. You always get the best scenery too.
Nice, I've not heard of the Ratel Mini, I'll check it out. They made a couple of other changes on the Ratel 2 like a wider angle lens, but I just see that as a personal preference thing rather than an upgrade.
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it. One of those videos that ended up a lot longer than intended but there was just a lot I wanted to cover. This could have been 1 hour long if i's said all of the things I was thinking haha. Yeah the scenery is always great when you get a nice blanket of snow... however, my car can't make it up the steep icy road so I had to walk up about 500m 😅 cheers mate
@@AdamGdoesFPV to be honest, I read about the optics on the Ratel 2, and the wider angle, which put me off a little. The “DJI” glass could be better, but the preview image looked a fair bit more fisheye, but probably not enough to notice in flight. The Mini I think has been out for a little while. It was after the baby, but before the 2. I didn’t notice it until last night, when I was looking at cameras for the next project.
That walk was worth it though. It looked stunning 👍🏻
The lines in the video are emf from the fan running so close to the tranciever chip and power circuit. Try unplugging the fan and see if the lines go away
Tried that already mate. Even without the fan running it’s exactly the same.
@@AdamGdoesFPV geez! That's a bummer. Looks like it would be a decent vtx. I stuck with tbs after dealing with alot of hakrc and akk stuff. Never used tramp or rush stuff. The pro32 is an amazing vtx even the nano32 is awsome in my 3inch and whoop stuff! Smaller than a stamp. Have you tried the pro32 yet? Saw in the video you had one. I know they were pushing close to 2w when it came out but an update dropped that to closer to 1w bc of cooling issues. But I don't see why if being mounted on a wing with constant air flow that it would be a issue and with a crossfire and if you use their goggle reciever and wifi you can get dynamic power to the vtx as well! I fly a ar900 and only have a unify pro 800mw with triple feed patch and pagoda antennas with the stock dipole antenna I got 17km range over the ocean 1 way on 800mw and 500mw crsf power! Have the full size crsf TX @2w I bet if I went to 1.2/1.3ghz video my only limit is the batt! Building my own packs out of my imr vape Batts. 3000mah 45a continuous draw Batts I'm going to try making 3s3p pack so 9000mah I'd get a good solid hour of fast flying! Lol. Probubly gonna be my last flight with it knowing me! Lost my 7inch quad on the side of a mountain that was 5 miles away from me at home point and another 2500 feet up the mountain side on the other side of the peak! I called that a wash! Lol! Keep up the great videos! I enjoy them alot! RUclips and this hobby is getting stale after 6 years of watching daily! Your content is what I look for and like watching the most! Thank you!
Man what a great video, I too have installed crossfire micro tx v2 and nano receiver on my C1 chaser, this worries me since i haven't flew this wing yet with crossfire and i do use auto launch but i've always just moved either stick to cancel auto launch i hope its still that way with crossfire. Ive learned alot from your channel just like repairs you made here looks great, once i get my yaapu telemetry worked out and some decent weather ill try out this crossfire.Thanks for all your help
Hi and thanks :) you might want to check out my details on the crash again, it's an iNav thing nothing to do with CF so no worries there ;-) enjoy!
Very good video!! You remind me of another friend.. Be getting my first wing soon. I fly drones now. When gps is activated 0 throttle also.. and yep time goes fast quick when flying 💪💪👊👊
Sounds great! good luck with your build and maiden :)
Fantastic video Adam! I love your videos so much. I also just switched from a QX7 to the TX16s and I like it. I also use crossfire and it is great. The TBS VTX you showed that you'll be getting is the one I have on almost all of my rigs. VERY good VTX and you will not be disappointed. Recommend you download the "TBS Agent X" so you can keep your TBS TX that's on the back of your TX16s and your TBS VTX up to date with firm wear. Thank you again for your amazing content! Cheers!!
Thanks for the great feedback :D Yes I installed the TBS Agent lite a couple of days ago, looks smart and loads faster! Nice little upgrade! Thanks again!
@@AdamGdoesFPV No problem Adam! After watching your video, I went to watch a video on Joshua Bardwell's channel. He shows that you can now have TBS Agent X on your TX! (OPENTX USERS) I have it on my TX16s and it is great! Figured I'd share that with you!
@@raven_fpv Yeah thanks, I watched the same JB video :D
The lines on your 1W VTX may be due to the fan. You could try temporarily disabling the fan to see if that helps. If so, then an LC-filter on the power to the fan will probably help.
Yeah I mentioned this to someone else too. I nearly opened it to disable the fan but just never bothered. I do suspect it could be the cause of the problem (it’s a shame you can’t disable the fan through a menu). I’ll try it when I get chance and let you know what happens.
Fan removed, still the same lines 🤦🏻♂️
@@AdamGdoesFPV That's a pity. Perhaps it's the inbuilt regulator in the VTX then if the lines appear always (even with motor off and fan off). In that case, there's not much hope for it.
@@WinstonSmith1984 No there is no hope. When I tested it after removing the fan it was on an FC on the bench with nothing else plugged in.
I have the AR900. Still have the 3 blade props it came with. Think I'll do the lamination on the leading edge mod
Laminating the leading edge is always a good idea. If you think you might crash, laminating the whole plane might be a good idea. It's amazing how much strength it adds!
Nice review! My thoughts on the PandaRC VTX is that its magnetic interference from the brushless fan right on top of the amplifier. Doesn't surprise me at all.
Cheers for the info, I'll be removing the fan some time soon to confirm 😁
@@AdamGdoesFPV I’ll be interested to see how that works. Considering the sir ducts I can’t imagine it’ll get hot.
@@kerbouchaud1 Fan removed, still the same lines 🤦🏻♂️
@@AdamGdoesFPV Wow, well, I guess its time for the Unify.
I like your expanding foam repair, very novel....I hate the fact you are forced to use a big GoPro to get CG, even though you have a big flight lipo in there...Oh, you need to get the new TBS App on your SD card...an App that runs inside otx..!!! I also have the exact same Radiomaster, agree about the ratchet and stick tensions...🤔🤔😳😯🇬🇧
Cheers mate 😀 Yeah I can see how it would be annoying for people with a light HD cam... but for me this was always going to be my setup and it just happened to be spot on for CG. I added the TBS agent a few days ago, very smart, you wouldn't get to appreciate it properly on the X9D. I'm hoping I can fix the gimbal preferences, will let you know how I get on 👍🏻
@@AdamGdoesFPV Cool, yeah, not having a ratchet to speak of is annoying, but the TX itself is great. So much easier to operate and navigate with that scroll wheel...🤔😳😳🇬🇧
@@EnglishTurbines Agreed! I might even get the CNC version as I think this could be one I stick with for a while :D
Excellent review Adam and you covered a lot. It’s interesting that you tried the tbs crossfire and would love to hear how you got on at low level compared to your dragon link. I use the crossfire and find it fantastic. It’s also cheaper and easier all round than dragon link. Excellent review👍
Thanks Terry, glad you liked it. Crossfire did really well on the low run, and here is the video: ruclips.net/video/JVyOkcAwFQQ/видео.html enjoy😃
Your video make Me want to go and buy one! Great Intel and great video!
You should! It's a good wing :) Thanks for watching and commenting
@@AdamGdoesFPV I wasn’t Into them at first but now I’m all about fpv everything. I like how your broke down everything as well as talking about the crash. All was very interesting to me.
Much love Adam!
@@HolaACchillin It's a great hobby, it has it's bad days though haha. Thanks, glad you liked it!
Excellent presentation. I'd agree with your impressions of the ARWingPro and Crossfire. How strong is your expanding filler? I have repairs to complete on mine!
Thanks :) The Gorilla Glue has very strong adhesive properties if that's what you mean
I wonder if adding black pigment to the foam if it would blend better
Maybe. I just worked with what I had already just to get it back in the air. Black tape did the job for the cosmetics 😆
I know this is old video but I've watched several times LOL, I'm still flying the ar wing pro with a 4s 5200mah lipo but thinking about going with same battery you have here I'm looking to get alittle more flight time but to be honest i worried about amp draw when launching,loops and rolls. Should this be a concern? This bird is right at 1400gr but cruises around 6amp but much more at full throttle. How much flight time do you get with this battery? Thanks for all your videos
I'm also interested in whether the liion pack will be a viable option, it would be interesting to see if the low amperage is ok
Hey, from memory I was getting minimum 30mins and would easily get 1h just cruising. The li-ion can output around 20a continuously which is nice for medium speed flying. You can punch the throttle for loops at the start of the flight but as it gets to lower end of its voltage range you’ll have a lot less power, even to the point where you can just about maintain cruise amps. I happily used li-ion for most flights on my AR Pro and it’s fine, just don’t expect the same punch or sustained power as lipo.
Ok makes sense, thanks for information
I was wondering about printing a circle with a 1/2 depth to have a place to put your finger like in the ar mini
You could, but it’s not essential. Personally I’d stick with launching it by holding the leading edge. Cheers
Change your cli setting for nav_fw_launch_accel. A lower setting will detect a lighter toss. It is default set to detect @ 1.8 kilograms. Your toss didn't activate this, thus never making it into flight mode. It is covered in the documentation.
Oh I know all of this and understand every launch parameter. Sometimes it takes a little trial and error to get the correct value. The purpose of showing this was to help others that experience the same issue 😊👍🏻
@@AdamGdoesFPV oh . . . Sorry. I must've missed where you covered setting these parameters.
@@konstantkrash No problem :) I didn't actually over it in this video. Thanks for watching
can you do the video of setting this wing in INAV or share the INAV settings for this wing?
this is my first fixed-wing and first experience with INAV
thanx
Hi, The diff file with all my settings is already in the video description with any other info you may need😁 Good luck with your first flight. Cheers
Any suggestion how to mount a camera on its belly ?
I want to do some aerial photography or land mapping with this.
I'd probably mount the camera where I currently have my FC and put the FC in the rear bay with the esc. Unless your camera would fit between your battery and FC where it is. Then just add a couple of skids on the bottom of the fuse either side of the cam to give it some clearance.
I've found the ratchet on my TX16S is almost non-existent no matter how much I've adjusted it. Still a fan of the radio though.
😣 uh oh, that’s not what I wanted to hear. I’ll still give it a go at some point abs I’ll let you know how it goes. Weird how off putting it was for me flying with the stick feeling ‘smooth’.
@@AdamGdoesFPV Ratcheting throttles are kind of seen as "old hat" now. It was a thing, but almost everyone (especially in the quad world) never fly with a ratcheting throttle. This is because you'll just have less throttle resolution. There are 1000 throttle values, but you're limiting yourself to 100?. For fixed wing it doesn't really change much though. I use to fly quads but only fly fixed wing now and there's no way I could go back to a ratcheting throttle. I think Radiomaster just saw themselves moving with the times. I don't believe the Taranis Hall effect ship with a ratcheting throttle either these days.
It seems if you have crossfire failsafe set to cut and inav set to RTH when you turn off radio it would return to home, I don't get the Emergency landing unless there was malfunction or maybe I'm missing something. Thanks
Yeah that's right I have the CF set to cut/no pulses and FS set to RTH. I also have emergency landing set to 'never' haha. Seems like a quirk with this particular scenario that may not have been considered. I think iNav can't quite understand if the plane is on the ground or in the air. Oh well at least we all know how to prevent this from now on. Cheers
Awesome tip about the gorilla glue! I've been using the same stuff for ages but never thought to mix it with it! Brilliant idea! I've been using the ratel 2 for a few days now but can't figure out how to get it to handle daytime lighting propperly, mine as stock seems to have very high exposure i dont know if you found the same? Would you mind sharing some camera settings to help me out id you did change any? Thanks mate 👍
Hey, I actually use the stock settings. Sounds like you may have an issue with your camera or goggles 😬
@@AdamGdoesFPV i think its the camera as my goggles are fine with all my other models, bit of a shame really :)
Here are some good settings for autolaunch with the AR pro, I'm doing the over head launch.
set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 150
set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1600
set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180
set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1350
set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 0
set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 500
Yeah they should work for you 👍🏻😊 not a fan of the over head launch but go with what works best for you 👌🏻
I see you have to land fast to prevent the tip stall.....Have you noticed the unrecoverable spin of death if you go too slow(35mph) in the air? Not a recommended plane in my mind.
No I just enjoy fast landings😆 Never had any issues with it stalling at slow speeds. I guess you might be running yours a bit too heavy
@@AdamGdoesFPV if you never go slower you will never see the problem. But there is a problem. I do not own one and never will. Poor design.
I have my idle throttle on 0 and then 75% when launch detected, so this can't happen, works perfect on my S800
Until recently I never used idle throttle either, and I still only use it on planes that really benefit from it. The failure to detect launch but still making it airborne isn't actually a problem at all if you know how to exit AL, so it won't worry me if this happens again 🙂 Cheers
👍👍👍 You mentioned how it's a little more tricky to throw than the AR900... now that you have autolaunch figured out, would you try the double handed overhead style launch... with the tx on the ground/table?
I don't think so no, never liked the idea of the prop coming past my face 😅 I still prefer to hold where the fuselage joins the wing with thumb on top and fingers underneath. Cheers
PVA glue..I think this is what is typically called Elmers glue here in the states.
Thanks for that cause I wasn't sure what PVA glue was 👍🏻, those Brits and their crazy glue names 🤣
Haha, I actually learnt this trick from an American years ago, but he only ever referred to it as "white glue"😆
I have not done much flying the last couple of years but I plan to get back into it and am building 3 wings; the Dart XL En, the AR Wing and the AR Wing Pro. Being more of a fixed wing pilot but not a "wing" pilot which one do you think I should start flying first to make things easy? Also, after I saw the video of your crash my faith in INAV dropped a bit. Might try Ardupilot, not sure?
I'd say either of the AR wings, whichever you've finished first. Having said that the Dart XL is easy to fly too... but maybe a bit less forgiving if crashed. Don't let this crash put you off iNav, it's pretty good, and I understand why it's designed to behave the way it did in this video... if only i'd known to just drop the throttle I could have just carried on my flight. Ardu is a steeper learning curve, not as user friendly, but it's personal preference really. Cheers
Hey Adam, how were able to connect the CRSF to a servo connector? Since the CRSF needs 4 leads compared to a servo lead only has 3.
Hi, I'm one of the few people that just doesn't care about telemetry so I never needed to use a 4th cable on the rx. However, I'd share the ground pin with the servo if i really wanted to use that 4th cable. Cheers
What's it like flying with lithium ion. I know your can't draw as many amps. But Is that a case of go easy with it. Or it just won't deliver it when you push the throttle ?? I too have an ar wing pro and am contemplating lipo with liion thanks Steve
Li-ion will give a bit of punch early on but they don’t like any sustained high amp draw and will drop in voltage quickly. Towards the end of its voltage range Ali-ion will really struggle and full throttle will give you barely any more than slow cruise. For medium throttle to low cruise they are all good. If you want to fly acro or fast etc then go lipo. I set mine up for both depending on my mood.
Cool vid man. What a thing to happen with the auto launch tho!
Cheers 😀 yeah that was a pain, at least I know how to stop it next time.... could have been worse 😅
@@AdamGdoesFPV I could feel the panic whilst watching it man!
@@lurgy1 😅😅 yeah it's not a nice feeling when you think you're completely locked out and don't know why. I'm lucky it went round in a circle rather than heading straight off into the distance
@@AdamGdoesFPV I had something similar last time I flew when I had changed the return to home setting. I done rth and launch mode as I normally do and it carried on flying out until it got to the rth height (not normal for me) but was a fast model and it got quite far out before I realised to switch rth off lol.
A great model, disappointed to see yaw wobble, the osmo wasn't even able to hide it
Yeah there is that typical wing yaw wag... but I'll be interested to see what it's like in normal conditions, it was really nasty and windy for every one of these flights. Cheers
damn the crash guess sonic modell didn't stress test the crash resistance foam
Ah to be fair to Sonicmodel they can't really produce a wing at this cost that can cope with a crash like this, I actually thought it did ok. Before I found it I was expecting it to go straight in the bin, yet it's back together and been flying well again :)
@@AdamGdoesFPV just glad you could fix it got to love this hobbie
Great vid as usual. Would you recommend it for beginners?
Hi Mark, yes I do believe this is a good wing for beginners. Easy to work with due to all the space, pre built slots for all your gear, a decent wingspan and it's easy to fly. Maybe a beginner that is not confident on the launch may want to enlist some help to start with though. Cheers
Hello Adam,
Since you got a 6 pins connector and for cross fire you might need 4 wires-5v,g,tx,rx how did you manage the connecction?
Thanks
Hi, I have no interest in telemetry so I only used 3 pins for the CF. However, when I have done something similar in the past I have joined the GND cable at both ends to free up a spare pin. Cheers
@@AdamGdoesFPV so you just used 5v,g, and TX?
@@eltio77556 Yeah, that's all you need if you don't want to get data back from your FC to you on the ground. Personally I find I have everything I need to know on the OSD
Cool! How did you manage to wire the receiver if there are only 3 free outputs(6-3 for servo) on the connector? Did you use GND for both servo and receiver?
Hi Mark, on my CF rx I only use 3 cables as I have no interest in telemetry. However, if I was someone who did want to use all 4 cables I would do as you mentioned and share the GND pin for both the servo and Rx. Cheers 👍🏻
Fun fact the 7000mah lion cost more than the whole wing 😁👍
Well it cost more than the kit version PNP is more expensive than batteries 😃
Qual é o tempo de voo? Tenho a mesma bateria nao consigo mais que 35 mins.
Abraço Suisse
Honestly can’t remember. But I’m sure I could get close to 1 hour with the 7000 4s2p
Hi Adam!
Thank you very much for your interesting channel and very informative videos.
I would like to ask a few questions.
Firstly, about the DJI OSMO ACTION camera.
Are you satisfied with this camera or should I buy HERO 7,8,9?
Do you use light filters and if yes which ones (ND-8, ND-16?)?
The flight video taken with the Dji camera looks awesome. What settings do you use? (4k 60fpc?, auto shutter? auto ISO?)
Second question about AR WING PRO wing model.
Do you think the wing has advantages compared to twin-engine aircraft models like the MFD Crosswind.
I have the AR WING PRO model now, but it's not fully assembled yet.
And to be honest after watching your videos about MFD Crosswind I have doubts whether I should try to fly it or sell the wing and buy MFD Crosswind.
What is the advantage of flying wings in general, are they more fun to fly? are they more stable? are they faster?
I need a relatively small, easily transportable model for stable mid-wind flying, night flying, long long distance flying, for flying in the mountains. Can you recommend a model?
For now, likes MFD Crosswind and NIMBUS 1800.
I really beg you to answer, it's important to me. Thank you very much!
Hi, and thank you for the great feedback 😊
I am satisfied with the Osmo Action and for now I have no intention to purchase any gopro. I believe the GP 8 and 9 got quite large in size, but the Osmo isn't too bad. I never have any issues with it and I always hear about people having problems with the gopros. I run mine on 4K 60fps with RockSteady on most of the time. I never use any ND filters and it stays in auto shutter and auto ISO.
The AR Pro and MCW are quite different. For quiet, long range cruising with camera panning etc the MCW is the winner. The AR Pro is a lot more compact, aerobatic and less time consuming to build. Depends how you want to fly I guess 😀
Good luck with whichever camera and plane you choose. Cheers 👍🏻
@@AdamGdoesFPV Thank you for your reply.
But I'll ask again.
I see that you fly a lot of wing models.
What's their sweet spot, what makes them so appealing to so many people.
It seems to me they are quite difficult to control, especially in windy conditions, they are not stable, very sensitive to the centre of gravity setting, don't like low speed and are prone to stall, may be prone to yaw effect. Am I forgetting something?))
So where are the pros? Could the wing be a good FPV carrier for filming cinematic clips for example in the mountains.
Or are they designed for something else after all.
@@ninanowak1992 Yeah it's true I do have a few wings, but I have had way more traditional planes than wings. My current fleet includes:
- 3 x wings
- 7 x planes
- 2 x Draks (people cannot decide if these are wings or planes haha. personally I see them as wings)
Advantages of wings:
- Less complexity, only 2 control surfaces and therefore only 2 servos required
- Generally easier to build and easier to laminate.
- Easier to transport in 1 piece and less likely to get damaged as less parts that stick out
- Generally wings are cheaper I find
- 99.9% of wings have pusher config making them ideal for FPV unlike planes.
- More likely to survive a crash than a plane
The Zcon is my favourite wing due to it being fast and efficient, it can stay in the air for a long time too. It's quite stable in yaw, probably because of it's huge verts, and it can glide for a long time! I love that I get it out of the car, no construction, plug the lipo in and throw :)
Hope this helps
@@AdamGdoesFPV
Thank you so much for your time and for your comprehensive response.
Maybe I should stick to the original plan and try to assemble the AR Wing PRO to the end and try flying it, then I will know for sure the pros and cons.
As I understand it, the AR Wing PRO is one of the best wing models.
So probably a good start)))
Thank you so hugely once again.
And good luck with your projects.
@@ninanowak1992 I suggest you build and fly both ;-) then you can really get a feel for what you prefer. Good luck with the maiden
I have just switched all my gear to crossfire was using the r9 stuff from frsky but since they started playing unfairly I can’t invest anymore in it
Crossfire is a much better product in every way compared to the R9 system mainly in the ease of use and updating all the bits 👍🏻
Yes I was very easy to apply the receivers to my models and binding and updating was a breeze whit the crossfire I got the tango 2 transmitter as well and that is nice
Yeah I agree, ease of use on the Crossfire is so refreshing in a hobby full of complicated equipment. Form factor, stock availability and price are all good too 😎 now to find out if it can cope with some of my more challenging flights that Dragonlink handles with ease.
@@AdamGdoesFPV can’t see why it won’t equal dragon link perhaps use the diversity Rx instead of the nano but from what I’ve seen on social media tbs crossfire is pretty good
@@Drift-fpv will be down to DL operating on 433mhz vs CF on 868mhz
hi mate,, love the vid,, just a quicki my ar is nearly ready for maiden how does one set the reflex is it just a guess and trim later cheers bry b
Thanks :) I think from memory it tells you in the supplied instructions, something like 1mm up from centre. But yes it's just to get you started and you can trim it out in the maiden. Good luck 😃
Been waiting for this..Awesome. How long did it take to reach the U.K?
Sadly it took a while when there were problems with the post last year. It got from China to Amsterdam in about 10 days... and then the rest of its journey took like 2 months 😣 I’d say it should be all good now though. Cheers 😃
@@AdamGdoesFPV wow..lets hope so.
Think the fan is messing the vtx by introducing interference in the power in
That’s what I thought. I de-soldered the fan and still the same interference existed 🤷🏻♂️
Yet another reason why I do the dummy launch. I never trust the autolaunch detection. Love autolaunch, although hate/don't see why I can't just tell the wing when it's launched rather than it trying to dead-reckon it's way into guessing when a launch has occurred. Every time you post about it on the INav group you start a war though.
To be honest I can fully understand the reasoning behind its behaviour, but at the same time it's not ideal because people like me and up with a crash from it. The reason I wanted to show this first was because I want others to know how simply lowering the throttle stick to 0 will allow them to regain control. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Adam ..what's the main difference flight characteristics or purpose wise,... between an ARWing Pro, and a ZOHD Talon GT?
I,m wanting to get into wings from kwads...but am a bit confused as to what wing configuration to chooseto start..😳🤔
Wings tend to be a simpler build and can withstand a bash a bit better. Talon GT has more parts sticking out which could be damaged in a crash, but will be more stable in yaw and you have a rudder for more precise control.
@@AdamGdoesFPV Ah..many thanks Adam, appreciate you're clarification 👍🍻...I,ll move on to the Talon GT Rebel later this year once the online shops here in England can get stock in again.😲
Lovin all your long range vids along the coast needless to say.🚀
Hi how many wires do you have running from your xfire receiver? I see if you uese the wing plug you are limited to 3 wires and some xfire setups like mine with mavlink passthrough use 4. Thanks
I was going to talk about this in the video but decided to cut it out due to the length. I use 3 cables because I have no interest in telemetry, so for me it’s easy. However, if I did want to use 4 cables I would simply use 1 of the 6 pins for 2 x GDN cables and then use the spare pin for the 4th rx cable. A little extra faff but once it’s done you’re sorted.
Hey Darren, I have a question on the ar wing pro with inav please explain proper way of setting up max servo deflection, the manual says 12mm max but mine is much more also Manuel says level 1.5 to 2mm I'm assuming that means that much up on alerions with plane level. How is yours setup? As always thanks
Hey. I don’t have mine anymore but for rates you can setup in iNav. Adjust the weight until the surfaces move that much in each direction, but must do that in manual mode
Thanks Darren I understand now, I'm thinking about getting rid of mine too, flying ok but not near as smooth as my c1 chaser using same camera the ar wing pro very shakey video not jello but shaking it must be a problem with this wing, just curious if this is why yours is gone? As always thanks
Could the lines in the video be related to the fan running on the vtx ? I've had similar lines appear when once mounted my vtx too close to the motor on a mini AR wing...
I had this thought about the fan too. I tried a few things to solve the problem but didn’t want to spend a lot of time talking about it in an already long video 😅 I nearly took it apart to disable the fan just to find out what causes it. It’s definitely just an issue isolated to the vtx as it happens on the bench nowhere near any other electronics, on any power output level. When I simply unplug and replace with any other vtx it’s an instant clear picture. Maybe this is just faulty 🤷🏻♂️ who knows. Thanks for watching and for commenting 👍🏻
Adam, have you installed and tested the new TBS Unify pro 32 VTX? I'm on the fence still. Was hoping to get your input.
Hey, I haven't yet because I fitted a Matek 1.3g for some Crossfire + 1.3g testing. I will probably install the TBS in the next month or so though. It gets great reviews from many others so I'd say go for it
@@AdamGdoesFPV thanks. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. I know you typically are a 1.2/1.3 ghz fan. Curious to see how you are ranging with the 5.8 system
Hi, Adam. Is it possible to use your diff for Matek F722 in a Matek F405 wing fc? Thanks
Hi, should mostly be ok, maybe just not some of the misc settings. What is it that you'd like from my diff?
Thanks for answering. I would like those from #master and # profile 1. I am using Crossfire.
Panda needs to fix their VTX
I'm going to disable the fan to see if that's the issue. But yeah it's not ideal to have those lines on a vtx when using it straight out the box. Cheers
Thank you for posting this review. I just finished acquiring the PNP edition of this wing. How do you program the Sonic model 40a ESC that it comes with? Have you been able to find a manual for it? If so, do you mind posting a link on where I can find it? Thanks in advance. Cheers!
Cheers. From memory I think I used the programming instructions from the Dart XL. ZOHD / Sonicmodel are same people and I think escs are same with different branding. It worked for me: myosuploads3.banggood.com/products/20200803/20200803052400ZOHDDartXLEnhancedVersionManual-LD.pdf
@@AdamGdoesFPV Brilliant. Thank you! I’ll give it a go. Cheers!
Think crossfire is small? LmAO check out a ELRS PP. About half the size and the ELRS24 module is good to 20km.
Honestly the weight and size of a TBS nano is so insignificant that there is nothing to be gained by it being any smaller or lighter.
@@AdamGdoesFPV not my point at all. Just saying it is smaller. You sounded genuinely surprised how small that reciever is. And any gram saved is a plus in aeronautics. #themoreyouknow
Just had an unsuccessful maiden today with this wing attributed to a bad hand launch. What’s your recommendation for hand launching this wing? I’m a newbie to flying wings. I’ve seen some recommend “overhead vertical launch” and others “side wing toss”. Any tips? Thanks in advance
Sorry to hear that. My method is to hold it close to the FPV camera with fingers underneath and thumb on top. I have a video demo on my Facebook page of me launching this wing (link in description). I also use Autolaunch though and it does try to roll over but Autolaunch corrects it with ease
@@AdamGdoesFPV Thanks for your response. Just saw the video on Facebook. Good reference I’ll give it a try thanks again and happy flying
@@AdamGdoesFPV proud to report I had a successful maiden today. Thank you for pointing me to the right direction. This wing is amazing! Basically flies itself. Cheers!
@@AlexanderPerez-oe1gu nice one!
I never heard of using PVA glue for this purpose. You can just activate the PU/Gorilla glue with a drop of water and stirring. It will then expand on its own and you can apply it part way through expansion when you like the consistency. Does PVA help out?
You can mix in black dye for a bit of a better appearance, although it the new material won't blend perfectly.
You know the funny thing is it’s designed to go with water and that’s what the instructions say to use... I learnt to use it with PVA many years ago and now I’ve completely forgotten the benefit 🤣🤣 just became habit. The black dye would have been a nice idea 👍🏻
Hey Darren it's been a while and hope your doing well, I have this wing on the way and planning on installing inav 3.0.1 I noticed inav has added the ar wing pro to the presets, I've looked at your inav diff. Settings and wondering what you changed from the preset ? Or did you use the inav ar wing pro preset? Any advise will be appreciated Thanks
Hi, this wing was flown pre iNav 3.0 and I didn't use a preset. I've no idea what the preset settings are so cannot tell you what's different. Cheers
Thanks for video and reply, I'm still waiting on my sonicmodell AR.Wing pro but I did flash a new f405-wing with inav 3.0.1 and there's no longer any presets to choose from so I'll see how that goes. Any advise/ tips on this wing would be welcome, I have the pnp version coming and planning on a lipo battery and no camera until I maiden I've been reading were people having trouble hitting cg with this wing so trying to decide what size lipo to use without adding lead. Thanks again
That irks me that you cant get out of launch mode by changing flight modes. In my eyes that is a ballsup by the devs if true. In ardupilot you can change flight mode to get out of auto launch mode as you should be able to. i keep trying to find reasons to come back to inav but this issue has postponed that move.
I believe the reason you cannot change to manual mode for example is that when you exit auto launch from idle throttle it will go to stick level throttle. So if you use a low idle like 15%, you push the stick up to 100% for post launch throttle, they don’t want knocking a stick to allow it to shoot up to 100% unintentionally. Not ideal but now I know how to regain control it won’t be an issue again, I’m just glad I found out now on a lower cost model and I didn’t lose it. Luckily it went in a circle rather than straight 😳 thanks for watching 😊
What a stupid hobby.
That's why after 33 years I AM still at it.
😂
Thanks for the video 👍👍👍
😆 It's addictive. Bad stuff happens but more often than not it's great fun🤘🏻
I crashed mine about four times. I finally put it away.
Oh no 😣 you having problems with it or just like risky flying?
Do the magnets on the back hatch screw with the GPS at all?
No not at all. It averages around 15-20 sats as it is and it acquires sat lock before I even put my goggles on to check the live feed :)
I want one so bad!!!! How are you finding crossfire compared to dragonlink adam? No plans for 1.3ghz vtx for a bit of long distance flying with this?
So far Crossfire seems pretty solid with a perfect link out to 5km on just 500mw... but then again that should be the case. I love Crossfire for it's usability and appearance... but I won't make a judgement on it's ability during a more challenging flight just yet. I'm tempted to put 1.3 on this wing but it doesn't exactly lend itself to 1.3g CP antennas... I'll have a think. One thing is for sure, I will be combining CF and 1.3 soon for a low river run flight. Cheers
@@AdamGdoesFPV I love crossfire. I was out 43km with 99 rssi! Look forward to more videos adam
@@adamtavener6345 Very Impressive. I guess you have the full size 2w Tx? I don't tend to do much range, it's more the low altitude behind objects flying that challenges my video and control links
@@AdamGdoesFPV I do but that was on 500mw. I just like to have the screen on the back for ease of use 😊
I did 21km with mostly 99 LQ on crossfire on 1 watt, so no worries there!
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can i get FC Mount 3d file?
Hi, yeah it's in the video description 😃👍🏻
我每次起飞都炸机
Why? 😢
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