Just tried the Real Time Lut on the S5iix for the first time. It's very fun. I'm curious if you'd be able to add the grain effect from the B&W Photo Styles for jpegs in future updates or a future camera? I've been adding some film like photo styles via RTL and would love to add grain as well (like with my XT-3) since the .cubes don't seem to add clarity/ grain options
Let us hope Ted Forbes finds the time to create his amazing LUT Packs also optimized for the G9 II as .cube or .vlt based files :) Can't wait, will be an instant buy.
Is there any online documentation about which video modes on the g9ii are supporting pda and face/eye detection and which modes fall back to pure DFD? Been searching for this for a while, but didn't find a good source so far.
LUTs can only affect gamma, contrast, saturation, luminance, and hue, it's how they're inherently designed. You can't add effects like vignette or grain overlays due to these limitations, it's not just Lumix it's every camera-brand that can utilize LUTs. BUT grain and other effects like that are super easy to add quickly in post or even in phone editing apps. When I'm colour editing footage on my iPhone and want more pro features I use a stellar app called VideoLUT that allows you to do REC709 conversions, creative LUTs and even add grain, halation, glow, etc. Hope this helps
that's only when shooting stills in JPEG, the grain effect won't carry over in your RAW file when editing on your computer - this doesn't apply to video either, because it can't be baked into footage, you can see the menu item is disabled - this is because it's very much acting in the same way as a LUT would, only able to affect the aforementioned items in my first post.
If Lumix releases another firmware version that allows video recording in proxy form like Sony, it will be quite convenient for editing videos on low-end computers.
I wish someday Panasonic can add 10-bit HEIF picture format. I'd like to use V-log + Custom Luts to shoot SOOC photos, and then grade them in DaVinci Resolve like videos. But I can only pack it into a 8bit JPG, which can produce bandings or other artifacts with V-log. People Always say stills photographers don't need log profile since they have raw. I think it's not true. There're lots of advantages shooting in log. - log gamma has a response more aligned with human eye perception and film. It maps nearly all the dynamic range stops into the range of displays. So, V-log+custom LUTs is a better SOOC solution than traditional stills gamma which makes you choose between crushed shadow and blown highlight in harsh high DR scenes. - With log gamma, the histogram is more aligned with true RAW histogram, which makes ETTR easier together with zebra (DPR wrote an article specifically about using log or HLG as a workaround of true raw histogram). Photo people might be scared of the higher base ISO number. But it's just an ISO rating number, the actual gain is the same with photo mode if they are both at the 1st or 2nd base ISO, the RAW file is totally not affected actually. The higher rating number is just for leaving more room for highlight. Imagine if we can shoot a 10-bit HEIF v-log photo, and get a ETTRed linear RAW at the same time, how flexible is it? - We can match photos and videos easier. For instance, you need to insert a photo into the video, or you need to shoot some stop motion pictures. - DaVinci is a better color grading tool than LR. Now it can load 10bit HEIF pictures directly. I don't like Adobe's camera profiles, it always give me a harsh tonality performance in poor quality artificial lighting conditions. A V-log photo on the other hand, is produced with an in-house fine tuned profile, which might make use of some more sophisticated profiling method than just simply shooting a color target. Like using SSF data and then tweak it to adapt all bunch of lighting conditions. I hope there're more bridges connecting photo world and video world. As for color editing, they are all just images, shouldn't be that different. Right now Lumix cameras are almost there, the only missing piece is a higher bit picture format.
I don't know if there's any business consideration of not implementing HEIF, like licensing problems. In that case, I remember Panasonic has a 10bit picture format called .HSP. We can only use it for HLG photo now. It will be easy to make it compatible with other log gammas. For me, I'll be satisfied if we can use it to shoot V-log photo and transfer it to a TIFF without losing bits later on a computer. But I think HEIF will be the next standard picture format, especially in HDR age. All other new cameras have it now. And more and more softwares began to support it. Panasonic will benefit more implementing it actually. It will be the only camera to be able to shoot 10bit HEIF V-log photos with custom LUTs. Sony cameras can now shoot 10bit HEIF S-log3 photos, but no LUTs in photo mode. With other companies, you can't use log profile in photo mode.
Sort of disrespectful for it to not be added to the GH6, and even more so if the game plan is to say it’s going to be added to the GH7, whenever/if it ever came out.
Always a tour de force of knowledge and sharing!
It would be nice to add the film grain effect for all the picture profiles
Just tried the Real Time Lut on the S5iix for the first time. It's very fun. I'm curious if you'd be able to add the grain effect from the B&W Photo Styles for jpegs in future updates or a future camera? I've been adding some film like photo styles via RTL and would love to add grain as well (like with my XT-3) since the .cubes don't seem to add clarity/ grain options
We need this mode on GH6 please
Let us hope Ted Forbes finds the time to create his amazing LUT Packs also optimized for the G9 II as .cube or .vlt based files :) Can't wait, will be an instant buy.
Awesome!!
Is there any online documentation about which video modes on the g9ii are supporting pda and face/eye detection and which modes fall back to pure DFD? Been searching for this for a while, but didn't find a good source so far.
Hi, amazing image and color profiles / LUTs. What lens have you used in this video? Cheers!
This was with the G9II and 42.5mm Nocticron shot at F/1.2 using an ND Filter - Sean
Thanx for this Video! Why do you have to be so careful with names?
How's that new interface coming ? 40K cell's to one DSLR. There has to be a reason ?
@lumix USA can lumix enable grain for all picture profiles?
LUTs can only affect gamma, contrast, saturation, luminance, and hue, it's how they're inherently designed. You can't add effects like vignette or grain overlays due to these limitations, it's not just Lumix it's every camera-brand that can utilize LUTs.
BUT grain and other effects like that are super easy to add quickly in post or even in phone editing apps. When I'm colour editing footage on my iPhone and want more pro features I use a stellar app called VideoLUT that allows you to do REC709 conversions, creative LUTs and even add grain, halation, glow, etc.
Hope this helps
nearly all lumix cameras have a grain effect built in, it is for the monochrome profiles.
that's only when shooting stills in JPEG, the grain effect won't carry over in your RAW file when editing on your computer - this doesn't apply to video either, because it can't be baked into footage, you can see the menu item is disabled - this is because it's very much acting in the same way as a LUT would, only able to affect the aforementioned items in my first post.
@@jonsimo well yes, i'm not sure any camera on the market simulates film grain for video. except maybe phones. but, no thank you. lol
I've requested the same a couple of times. Sean said he's passed the question on to engineering. I think he's interested in this as well.
If Lumix releases another firmware version that allows video recording in proxy form like Sony, it will be quite convenient for editing videos on low-end computers.
I wish someday Panasonic can add 10-bit HEIF picture format.
I'd like to use V-log + Custom Luts to shoot SOOC photos, and then grade them in DaVinci Resolve like videos. But I can only pack it into a 8bit JPG, which can produce bandings or other artifacts with V-log.
People Always say stills photographers don't need log profile since they have raw. I think it's not true. There're lots of advantages shooting in log.
- log gamma has a response more aligned with human eye perception and film. It maps nearly all the dynamic range stops into the range of displays. So, V-log+custom LUTs is a better SOOC solution than traditional stills gamma which makes you choose between crushed shadow and blown highlight in harsh high DR scenes.
- With log gamma, the histogram is more aligned with true RAW histogram, which makes ETTR easier together with zebra (DPR wrote an article specifically about using log or HLG as a workaround of true raw histogram). Photo people might be scared of the higher base ISO number. But it's just an ISO rating number, the actual gain is the same with photo mode if they are both at the 1st or 2nd base ISO, the RAW file is totally not affected actually. The higher rating number is just for leaving more room for highlight. Imagine if we can shoot a 10-bit HEIF v-log photo, and get a ETTRed linear RAW at the same time, how flexible is it?
- We can match photos and videos easier. For instance, you need to insert a photo into the video, or you need to shoot some stop motion pictures.
- DaVinci is a better color grading tool than LR. Now it can load 10bit HEIF pictures directly. I don't like Adobe's camera profiles, it always give me a harsh tonality performance in poor quality artificial lighting conditions. A V-log photo on the other hand, is produced with an in-house fine tuned profile, which might make use of some more sophisticated profiling method than just simply shooting a color target. Like using SSF data and then tweak it to adapt all bunch of lighting conditions.
I hope there're more bridges connecting photo world and video world. As for color editing, they are all just images, shouldn't be that different. Right now Lumix cameras are almost there, the only missing piece is a higher bit picture format.
I don't know if there's any business consideration of not implementing HEIF, like licensing problems. In that case, I remember Panasonic has a 10bit picture format called .HSP. We can only use it for HLG photo now. It will be easy to make it compatible with other log gammas. For me, I'll be satisfied if we can use it to shoot V-log photo and transfer it to a TIFF without losing bits later on a computer.
But I think HEIF will be the next standard picture format, especially in HDR age. All other new cameras have it now. And more and more softwares began to support it.
Panasonic will benefit more implementing it actually. It will be the only camera to be able to shoot 10bit HEIF V-log photos with custom LUTs. Sony cameras can now shoot 10bit HEIF S-log3 photos, but no LUTs in photo mode. With other companies, you can't use log profile in photo mode.
Lumix please give us an lx100iii 😭💙
Sort of disrespectful for it to not be added to the GH6, and even more so if the game plan is to say it’s going to be added to the GH7, whenever/if it ever came out.