That's a great visual on how well those LUTs work!! Thank you Shane and big thumbs up 👍👍👍 I have a couple of questions - with the LUT in camera activated, will that "LUTTED" image go out the HDMI port complete? I'm thinking about the topic of live-streaming, you think it's possible to get a finished picture "out the door" from using the LUT to use on YT for live-streaming? I know the software I use (Ecamm) allows the application of a LUT, but I'm curious if the camera can handle all of it all by itself. What's your say on that? Thanks for such a cool video :)
Hi Peter, I tested the HDMI feed and it does show the real-time LUT. You can't modify it in camera with the exception being the sharpness from memory. If you can adjust the levels in e-camm it should work okay as very small corrections on the levels will give you a close to final look.
Great video Shane, I went to find the Nicest Lut and it doesn't seem to be anywhere online and the Panasonic LUT page is a 404. Do you have an alternative way of getting hold of it mate? keep up the great work
THanks so much for this video! I was thinking maybe something was wrong with my real time LUT, as it didn't look the same as adding a conversion in post. The minimal tweaks in POST with this Real Time LUT are great - although I use the Gamut LUT, the principals you showed are the same. As a side note, I am really enjoying the CINED2 with the Gamut CINED LUT applied in camera as one of the optional custom color profiles - so far colors seem great and the dynamic range seems to cover most normal situations.
Thanks for sharing your findings. I am new to LOG-shooting and trying to get my head wrapped around the concept of shooting and editing in this profile. Firstly, do you retain the LOG file if you shoot Real Time Lut? Do you shoot the same way as you would with the Natural Profile? I assume the big advantage of shooting Real Time Lut over Natural Profile is greater dynamic range- but is the dynamic range the same compared to v-log?
Real Time LUT burns the lut in at the time of filming. You get more dynamic range than shooting with the typical picture profiles. If you want to grade it later, shoot in VLOG (normal).
Nicest LUT seems nice! What is the difference of .VLT, E-E.CUBE and E-L.CUBE as camera seems to be able to load any of them from memory card? I am just starting to learn color grading and such. I have Lumix S5ii. VLT is the right one for the camera I guess? My test videos with Nicest LUT still seem to be a little flat, though. Certainly they need editing.
I'm still a bit surprised how nothing in the video world works exactly according to standards. You would think that when Panasonic applies its own nicest LUT in camera, the output would be identical to applying it on vlog on a timeline in post, but your video shows that the black-level and range don't quite match. It may be small and easy to correct but you would think that vlog and these LUTs have exact mathematical definitions allowing things to match perfectly. I wonder if different NLE's apply LUTs differently. It would explain why some people complain about certain issues with respect to color science while others don't seem to have the same issues.
It could be down to other factors like the LUT loader program I am using. Unlike the standard VLOG to 709 LUT which is baked into Final Cut, I had to add the Nicest LUT via a LUT loader.
Thanks! How do you expose with real time lut? My understanding is that shooting real time lut experience is the same of shooting with natural pic profile. So you try to find the proper exposure in camera even if the lut tou are using is based on vlog (while doing it in post would have required a different exposure becuase you would have to use and shoot vlog)
Thanks for the video, but maybe I'm missing something: why wouldn't the real-time LUT look identical to the Vlog+LUT, if you're using the same LUT? Isn't the point to not have to do any further adjustments in post?
You can actually adjust it in camera further through a different menu. I missed it when I first tested it. It's not part of the Quick Menu. Either way, it saves all of the post production of adding a LUT and rendering out files that can take longer than a read-to-go file. This will make a huge difference when you've got a 50-100gb project.
Are you saying you can just adjust the baked-in Nicest lut so that it looks the same as the post applied lut? @@GeekyNerdyTechy That would make this video kind of pointless, care to share how to do that?
Would love to see an update video showing how you can used the baked-in lut, adjusted to match the post loaded lut so that you don't need to do any post grading to match it@@GeekyNerdyTechy
Very nice Shane! So you have always been pleased with the results from the Natural profile. Will you be moving away from that to the RealTime LUT? People complain a fair amount about the noise from VLOG in low light - remember the low light video you did with your girl and the your dog? Would you use it in that scenario? Also - you have travelled quite a bit between PAL and NTSC regions - what changes do you make to your camera when doing so? PS - were all still waiting for videos of a red back spiders in your guitar case, brown snakes in the scenes you're filming, as well as crocodiles and bull sharks...
The Natural profile is going to be used in the studio. I can set it up so I don't have to adjust it in editing. For outdoor clips the LUT loader is going to be a fast way of getting great results with more dynamic range.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Why not use a custom LUT that has more contrast added into Resolve, for the studio option? I've found Gamut conversion + Gamut boost LUT (35 dollars in total for both) and then 1.25 contrast and 0.2 exposure added in Resolve, and then exported as one final LUT, gives an amazing result. Even better than Natural, and more similar to the end look than just an initial conversion. Feels like a whole new and improved color science.
Hi sir, is it possible to shoot on the internal SD, footage with the backed in Lut, and at the same time, record on the external monitor, a V-log flat image? I do not have a recorder monitor, so i cannot test this... Thank you sir :)
V-Log View Assist still an option too? I would like to keep the possibility to switch LUTS in post but have the preview lut on v-log while filming. Thanks for the review!
Yes, you can select any LUT in the view assist and simply save the video in V-Log without hard-coding the LUT to the video. I'd rather work a few extra minutes in post-processing than be stuck on one specific LUT.
friend, I didn’t understand this Real Time LUt a bit, is it baked armor? Or it’s just superimposed in the camera and the recording goes to V log and I see the LUT via HDMI. Or can only G9II and GH7 show an unbaked LUT?
I shot using auto exposure. The camera keeps it as close to zero as possible. It doesn't need to be overexposed like on other systems if you're shooting manually either from my experience with it. I know some people say to overexpose but I don't find that the case with the Panasonic system.
Hi Shane S35 IS from far one of the best in the S Prime Line in pair with S50... I don't Like Backed in Image because I love to color grade...but I totally Unserstand the need for it for in some fast production scenarios.... Yours Fil
@@GeekyNerdyTechy I copied the same settings ride recommended for the s5 since they don’t have a profile for the new body yet. I’ve tried everything. I almost feel like I have a bad unit. I set my internal volume to -18 as well.
Is this information out of date now or something? I'm testing on my S5iix taking photos both JPEG one with Nicest real-time LUT applied and the other shot just in V-Log, when I apply the LUT to the V-Log photo in post it looks identical to the one shot in real time. Are the rules different for video or something? Was there a firmware update? I just cannot imagine any conceivable reason why Panasonic would make LUTs applied in real time turn out *different* to when they're applied in post. That would be so counterproductive.
So, it's basically adding a LUT to VLOG without any adjustments. One thing that's a bit confusing is, you can add the LUT over another custom profile and adjust the colours more in camera to match. The end-result is basically the same once you fine-tune it. There wasn't much info at the time of filming this video that was available. Even the LUMIX USA video is pretty confusing on how to customise the profiles. Long story short - after using this for months, I see no disadvantage to the LUT loader, it saves a bunch of time in editing and computer processing. If I have to adjust the contrast a hair, no big deal.
I'm not sure why but i'm just not getting that color out of my s5iix. When i set up the real time lut the colors look dark and doesn't have that color pop you're getting out of the camera. Any help here would be appreciated bro!
I shoot in Aperture priority mode. If you're shooting in Manual mode you might be underexposing the scene. Give Aperture priority mode a shot and let the camera handle the exposure and it should guide you on what's going on.
does the nicest lut include some type of conversion to REC 709 color space along with it's own look, or is it totally different? I saw someone else suggest using REC 709 burn in on the S5ii, and then set the camera color profile to a specialized LUT on top on that....does that make sense or is that way off base?
Would it be possible for you to adjust the lut before hand and then upload it to real time lut so you don't have to edit it in post? not sure if you can understand what i meant haha
You can import your LUT into Davinci Resolve, adjust levels or whatever you need to a sample clip, export the LUT (using the Generate LUT function) and then add it to the camera. I recommend doing that in Davinci Resolve as it exports the LUT perfectly.
I’m having the same problem. Panasonic appears to no longer allow you to download it. The webpage is there but it doesn’t allow downloading of the LUT library.
@@GeekyNerdyTechyNot to go back and forth. Maybe it did work for you. But I tried your link probably 10 times and when you click on “+” by “resources” and the LUTs library under “design tools”, it simply reloads the same cinema camera page. It doesn’t download the LUTs. I found the downloads through another page though and I put that in a comment above. Thanks.
The Panasonic. The Sony looks great on the No Picture Profile (standard one), but I don't love SLOG3. The process for having to overexpose it slightly and bring it back in post is pretty unorthodox. Even with the correct white balance, the Panasonic has a nicer look in VLOG to my eye, but it's all subjective.
I have the S5 II, V-LOG is not deteriorated a lot, but regular profiles are not as good as before because there is too much noise reduction and details filtering.
Who said that? The image out of the camera is some of the best I have ever seen. The image quality left the Sony A7SIII in this video for dead. I wouldn't buy a second one if that was the case.
@@ШотаГоголи The image quality is excellent. I've put it against many other camera bodies including the original S5. There's been a lot of test footage and comparison posted, this was the first time I heard about it. One random dude vlogging isn't gospel for me. :)
@@ШотаГоголи The modes that aren't Vlog are degraded. I own the S5ii and can say without a doubt that every other mode has more sharpening baked into it, and weirder colors overall + worse actual detail. However, and this is a big however, the VLOG looks excellent. The 6k in VLOG looks as good in the S5ii as the S1, albeit the color science is greener now. A lot of RUclipsrs arent really digging into the details. HLG is noticably worse, but with -5 sharpening, it looks a little closer to the HLG at 0 sharpening of the S1.
@@itsdjbuddha Thank you for getting back to me so soon. I heard this from someone else, but I wanted confirmation from someone who knows. Thank you again. Does that matter to you ? do you think most People know or it's not aa deal breaker? IT IS FOR ME. I was about to pull the trigger on one. My GH 5 and 6 does, it's all I shoot. You explain everything so well in your presentations.
@@enriquemartin8655 oh this isn’t my video 😂. I just saw your comment after I watched this and thought I would answer. Hopefully @Geeky Techy Nerdy will answer!
It's on by default. If you want the IS boost mode - you'll need to map it to a custom function button. I made a tutorial on my channel. Search for S5II tutorial and it will be timestamped to cover the IBIS options.
Wow, this is a huge help!! Thanks for this review of the Real Time LUT feature 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
That's a great visual on how well those LUTs work!! Thank you Shane and big thumbs up 👍👍👍
I have a couple of questions - with the LUT in camera activated, will that "LUTTED" image go out the HDMI port complete?
I'm thinking about the topic of live-streaming, you think it's possible to get a finished picture "out the door" from using the LUT to use on YT for live-streaming? I know the software I use (Ecamm) allows the application of a LUT, but I'm curious if the camera can handle all of it all by itself. What's your say on that?
Thanks for such a cool video :)
Hi Peter, I tested the HDMI feed and it does show the real-time LUT. You can't modify it in camera with the exception being the sharpness from memory. If you can adjust the levels in e-camm it should work okay as very small corrections on the levels will give you a close to final look.
Thanks for the link for the Lut, I'm new to Panasonic and already tested it and looks awesome!
It is great you are having so much fun with the new camera.
Thanks, David. I'm really enjoying this camera. Are you planning on getting one?
Great video Shane, I went to find the Nicest Lut and it doesn't seem to be anywhere online and the Panasonic LUT page is a 404. Do you have an alternative way of getting hold of it mate? keep up the great work
You can find it in the variacam pack - na.panasonic.com/us/resource-center/v-log-lut-library
Holy shit that LUT looks fantastic. Can I ask what that program is you're using to edit? Sorry for the basic question, I'm still just learning.
THAT S5 II FOOTAGE LOOK STUNNING
THanks so much for this video! I was thinking maybe something was wrong with my real time LUT, as it didn't look the same as adding a conversion in post. The minimal tweaks in POST with this Real Time LUT are great - although I use the Gamut LUT, the principals you showed are the same. As a side note, I am really enjoying the CINED2 with the Gamut CINED LUT applied in camera as one of the optional custom color profiles - so far colors seem great and the dynamic range seems to cover most normal situations.
I really like the look of the "Nicest LUT" from Pansonic. But I am also thinking about getting the Gamut BaseLut.
Thanks for sharing your findings. I am new to LOG-shooting and trying to get my head wrapped around the concept of shooting and editing in this profile. Firstly, do you retain the LOG file if you shoot Real Time Lut? Do you shoot the same way as you would with the Natural Profile? I assume the big advantage of shooting Real Time Lut over Natural Profile is greater dynamic range- but is the dynamic range the same compared to v-log?
Real Time LUT burns the lut in at the time of filming. You get more dynamic range than shooting with the typical picture profiles. If you want to grade it later, shoot in VLOG (normal).
Nicest LUT seems nice! What is the difference of .VLT, E-E.CUBE and E-L.CUBE as camera seems to be able to load any of them from memory card? I am just starting to learn color grading and such. I have Lumix S5ii. VLT is the right one for the camera I guess? My test videos with Nicest LUT still seem to be a little flat, though. Certainly they need editing.
I'm still a bit surprised how nothing in the video world works exactly according to standards. You would think that when Panasonic applies its own nicest LUT in camera, the output would be identical to applying it on vlog on a timeline in post, but your video shows that the black-level and range don't quite match. It may be small and easy to correct but you would think that vlog and these LUTs have exact mathematical definitions allowing things to match perfectly. I wonder if different NLE's apply LUTs differently. It would explain why some people complain about certain issues with respect to color science while others don't seem to have the same issues.
It could be down to other factors like the LUT loader program I am using. Unlike the standard VLOG to 709 LUT which is baked into Final Cut, I had to add the Nicest LUT via a LUT loader.
Thanks! How do you expose with real time lut? My understanding is that shooting real time lut experience is the same of shooting with natural pic profile. So you try to find the proper exposure in camera even if the lut tou are using is based on vlog (while doing it in post would have required a different exposure becuase you would have to use and shoot vlog)
Great video, that fan on my M1 16" may be getting a little more of a break in the future.
Thanks for the video, but maybe I'm missing something: why wouldn't the real-time LUT look identical to the Vlog+LUT, if you're using the same LUT? Isn't the point to not have to do any further adjustments in post?
You can actually adjust it in camera further through a different menu. I missed it when I first tested it. It's not part of the Quick Menu. Either way, it saves all of the post production of adding a LUT and rendering out files that can take longer than a read-to-go file. This will make a huge difference when you've got a 50-100gb project.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy would the real time lut keep the dynamic range info or part of it at least?
Are you saying you can just adjust the baked-in Nicest lut so that it looks the same as the post applied lut? @@GeekyNerdyTechy That would make this video kind of pointless, care to share how to do that?
Would love to see an update video showing how you can used the baked-in lut, adjusted to match the post loaded lut so that you don't need to do any post grading to match it@@GeekyNerdyTechy
Thanks, GNT. Cheers.
Very nice Shane! So you have always been pleased with the results from the Natural profile. Will you be moving away from that to the RealTime LUT? People complain a fair amount about the noise from VLOG in low light - remember the low light video you did with your girl and the your dog? Would you use it in that scenario?
Also - you have travelled quite a bit between PAL and NTSC regions - what changes do you make to your camera when doing so?
PS - were all still waiting for videos of a red back spiders in your guitar case, brown snakes in the scenes you're filming, as well as crocodiles and bull sharks...
The Natural profile is going to be used in the studio. I can set it up so I don't have to adjust it in editing. For outdoor clips the LUT loader is going to be a fast way of getting great results with more dynamic range.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Why not use a custom LUT that has more contrast added into Resolve, for the studio option? I've found Gamut conversion + Gamut boost LUT (35 dollars in total for both) and then 1.25 contrast and 0.2 exposure added in Resolve, and then exported as one final LUT, gives an amazing result. Even better than Natural, and more similar to the end look than just an initial conversion. Feels like a whole new and improved color science.
Hi sir, is it possible to shoot on the internal SD, footage with the backed in Lut, and at the same time, record on the external monitor, a V-log flat image? I do not have a recorder monitor, so i cannot test this... Thank you sir :)
V-Log View Assist still an option too? I would like to keep the possibility to switch LUTS in post but have the preview lut on v-log while filming. Thanks for the review!
Yes, you can select any LUT in the view assist and simply save the video in V-Log without hard-coding the LUT to the video. I'd rather work a few extra minutes in post-processing than be stuck on one specific LUT.
im unable to download the nicest Luts on their page. Is this still available?
Yes, it's part of the Varicam pack.
Just not sure we should take this video seriously with that T-Shirt! 😉
Thank you for making this video.
Do you need to adjust your exposure monitoring tools to go along with this like zebra levels, etc?
I ran the camera in Aperture priority mode and the camera handled the exposure perfectly. :)
How does the realtime LUT work with high ISO situations would you still recommend it?
friend, I didn’t understand this Real Time LUt a bit, is it baked armor? Or it’s just superimposed in the camera and the recording goes to V log and I see the LUT via HDMI. Or can only G9II and GH7 show an unbaked LUT?
You can choose to record with it in the camera so you don't have to apply the LUT on your computer software.
One question for you, when you use the nicest lut, how do you expose? 1 stop over exposed?
I shot using auto exposure. The camera keeps it as close to zero as possible. It doesn't need to be overexposed like on other systems if you're shooting manually either from my experience with it. I know some people say to overexpose but I don't find that the case with the Panasonic system.
@@GeekyNerdyTechyAwesome, thanks for the very valuable information.
I cant seem to find the LUTs on the Panasonic website, the link just takes me through a page about cinema cameras?
Download the Varicam LUT pack, I put a link in the description
Hi Shane are you using Resolve?
Final Cut
Hi Shane
S35 IS from far one of the best in the S Prime Line in pair with S50...
I don't Like Backed in Image because I love to color grade...but I totally Unserstand the need for it for in some fast production scenarios....
Yours Fil
have you noticed any bad audio hissing or noise while recording? I'm using the Rode Wireless Go ii on mine and have unusable audio.
None. The preamps on these cameras are great. It’s probably your output settings on the Rode. Make your you have enough volume.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy I copied the same settings ride recommended for the s5 since they don’t have a profile for the new body yet. I’ve tried everything. I almost feel like I have a bad unit.
I set my internal volume to -18 as well.
Is this information out of date now or something? I'm testing on my S5iix taking photos both JPEG one with Nicest real-time LUT applied and the other shot just in V-Log, when I apply the LUT to the V-Log photo in post it looks identical to the one shot in real time.
Are the rules different for video or something? Was there a firmware update?
I just cannot imagine any conceivable reason why Panasonic would make LUTs applied in real time turn out *different* to when they're applied in post. That would be so counterproductive.
So, it's basically adding a LUT to VLOG without any adjustments. One thing that's a bit confusing is, you can add the LUT over another custom profile and adjust the colours more in camera to match. The end-result is basically the same once you fine-tune it. There wasn't much info at the time of filming this video that was available. Even the LUMIX USA video is pretty confusing on how to customise the profiles. Long story short - after using this for months, I see no disadvantage to the LUT loader, it saves a bunch of time in editing and computer processing. If I have to adjust the contrast a hair, no big deal.
I'm not sure why but i'm just not getting that color out of my s5iix. When i set up the real time lut the colors look dark and doesn't have that color pop you're getting out of the camera. Any help here would be appreciated bro!
I shoot in Aperture priority mode. If you're shooting in Manual mode you might be underexposing the scene. Give Aperture priority mode a shot and let the camera handle the exposure and it should guide you on what's going on.
does the nicest lut include some type of conversion to REC 709 color space along with it's own look, or is it totally different? I saw someone else suggest using REC 709 burn in on the S5ii, and then set the camera color profile to a specialized LUT on top on that....does that make sense or is that way off base?
Ever find an answer to this?
Would it be possible for you to adjust the lut before hand and then upload it to real time lut so you don't have to edit it in post? not sure if you can understand what i meant haha
I think there's a way you can do it, but it's not that straight forward. I saw Lumix USA posted a video about this recently.
You can import your LUT into Davinci Resolve, adjust levels or whatever you need to a sample clip, export the LUT (using the Generate LUT function) and then add it to the camera. I recommend doing that in Davinci Resolve as it exports the LUT perfectly.
Can I use these LUTs on my GH5s and how can I load into camera?
Yep, it works fine on the GH5S.
Shane where do you actually get the 'nicest lut'. I'm looking online but can't see where.
It’s in the description
I’m having the same problem. Panasonic appears to no longer allow you to download it. The webpage is there but it doesn’t allow downloading of the LUT library.
@JoshPostVlogs I downloaded the pack no problems just a few days ago. Type in Panasonic LUT pack or Varicam LUT pack. The link works fine.
@@GeekyNerdyTechyNot to go back and forth. Maybe it did work for you. But I tried your link probably 10 times and when you click on “+” by “resources” and the LUTs library under “design tools”, it simply reloads the same cinema camera page. It doesn’t download the LUTs. I found the downloads through another page though and I put that in a comment above. Thanks.
Which editing software are you using in this video ?
Fina Cut
What editor do you use to make the final adjustment?
It's Final Cut Pro. These simple adjustments can be made in any editor.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy thanks
Does it affect dynamic range? 😯😲😯
No, I covered that in the video. :)
Which camera colour do you prefer? A7Siii or S5ii?
The Panasonic. The Sony looks great on the No Picture Profile (standard one), but I don't love SLOG3. The process for having to overexpose it slightly and bring it back in post is pretty unorthodox. Even with the correct white balance, the Panasonic has a nicer look in VLOG to my eye, but it's all subjective.
They say that the image quality has deteriorated lumix 5 2 and how can you prove to us that it is not?
I have the S5 II, V-LOG is not deteriorated a lot, but regular profiles are not as good as before because there is too much noise reduction and details filtering.
Who said that? The image out of the camera is some of the best I have ever seen. The image quality left the Sony A7SIII in this video for dead. I wouldn't buy a second one if that was the case.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy This was said by a Russian blogger that the image was degraded due to autofocus
@@ШотаГоголи The image quality is excellent. I've put it against many other camera bodies including the original S5. There's been a lot of test footage and comparison posted, this was the first time I heard about it. One random dude vlogging isn't gospel for me. :)
@@ШотаГоголи The modes that aren't Vlog are degraded. I own the S5ii and can say without a doubt that every other mode has more sharpening baked into it, and weirder colors overall + worse actual detail. However, and this is a big however, the VLOG looks excellent. The 6k in VLOG looks as good in the S5ii as the S1, albeit the color science is greener now. A lot of RUclipsrs arent really digging into the details. HLG is noticably worse, but with -5 sharpening, it looks a little closer to the HLG at 0 sharpening of the S1.
Where can I download this LUT?
I've added the link to the description
Am I the only one who can't download the file with this link ?
@@andreboeufgras Im also not seeing it
Can the S5 2 shoot ALL I ?
Unfortunately no. I believe the S5 Mark II X will.
@@itsdjbuddha Thank you for getting back to me so soon. I heard this from someone else, but I wanted confirmation from someone who knows. Thank you again. Does that matter to you ? do you think most People know or it's not aa deal breaker? IT IS FOR ME. I was about to pull the trigger on one. My GH 5 and 6 does, it's all I shoot. You explain everything so well in your presentations.
@@enriquemartin8655 oh this isn’t my video 😂. I just saw your comment after I watched this and thought I would answer. Hopefully @Geeky Techy Nerdy will answer!
@@itsdjbuddha lol. Thanks for clearing that up, and for taking the time to respond. Thank you.
haha. I went to bed. My videos go live at midnight here. :) You'll need to get the S5IIX as mentioned above. yep.
Can someone tell me how to turn on Active IS on S5 mark ii
It's on by default. If you want the IS boost mode - you'll need to map it to a custom function button. I made a tutorial on my channel. Search for S5II tutorial and it will be timestamped to cover the IBIS options.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Thank you 👍👍👍