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So Noctis was born just so he can sacrifice himself to save Ardyn from the injustice he was born to receive. The world they live in is no more than a story plot written by the gods, and that’s sad
There was one way to win without the sacrifice but it's not canon. Ignis second ending. Guess that might be because the gods planned little for a mere vassal and probably considered what happened in that one a surprise.
Seeing this just makes me wish we got the rest of the dlc episodes so we could see the true and happier ending that this game and these characters deserve
@mitsukaai reading the novel atm and currently finished ardyns part. It was almost the same except for Luna showing up at the throne. Excited to see what happens next
@@hisyamamirudiin26 Ardyn is my sersioulsy my favorite FF villian even with the clusterfuck of the story. Even with the broken, incomplete mess that is FFXV, when you piece it together you get an amazing story. You need to also add the lore that they scrapped as well, but once you do....man this FF had a really really good story.
@@kukukachu yep after playin all of the available dlc, the story is far more interesting. Shame square didn't make it into one complete game. And knowing that luna will have a significant role on her part
Not at all, ardyn became evil because he wanted to "be like gods." he was given over to insanity and left as a total mockery of what he pretended to be.
“I’m no mortal, I’m a monster. The path men tread was never meant for me. Mine is paved with blood and darknes” One of the best quotes made by a villain I’ve ever seen. The music made it hit even harder too.
16:00 Seeing how powerless Ardyn is when compared to Bahamut was both devastating for him and the viewer/player. This moment comes right after he razed a city, slaughtered the royal guard, disabled the defenses existed for decades, defeated the sacred guardians, and defeated two kings. This is a beautiful moment in my opinion because we as the player began to relate with Ardyn, to believe in his cause because he had been wronged, and maybe even had a little bit of fun. Bahamut intervenes at our moment of triumph, right as Ardyn is going to take his revenge, shattering any illusion that we had free will. This whole story gives a new perspective on the life of a once mysterious villain that we may have all hated without knowing about his motivations. He was betrayed by the gods that he revered so much, was nearly cut down by his brother and lost the love of his life, and then he was called a monster and imprisoned on a remote island--all evidence of his existence being erased from history.
The only thing ardyn loved is himself, and acted accordingly (and was punished deservedly). ardyn had free will, he could have not been so narcissistic that he tried to destroy everything. he could have not become corrupt through his ugly ambition. The devil thought he was powerful before he was destroyed by St Michael too. As you could probably (and unfortunately) attest to, evil does not understand its place and proportion and so it lies to itself and lashes out in tantrum at its own impotence. Had ardyn or the devil had humility, they would not have been impotent as it was their pride that made them impotent.
@@JPX7NGD Yep its so obvious to a proper mind that this is just fortifying peoples views on the devil as *maybe the devil isnt the bad guy* so idiotic are people to believe this, and especially from a video game, bare in mind the song stand by me matches so great with this game as the sky will be blackened as it was after noct came back, it will be like this in end days not so far from now, such epicness it made it
@@MrOrangeonion I think tabata was let go because the ending to the game was so out of place compared to the usually satanic nonsense found in se games.
@@JPX7NGD it did seem rushed like, you were sorta having fun with your 3 pals then the pacing of the game was like... well how did all this suddenly happen, it felt insanely rushed especially for the ff franchise.
@@JPX7NGD You do realize Ardyn cured people of the starscourge, took it into his body, and did it all because the god's told him to. Then in the end he is betrayed by his brother, locked away for two thousand years and you try to compare a man betrayed by selfish gods to the devil? Ardyn was far from the prideful, arrogant, and greedy being that the devil is. He is in fact a tragic character, who in the end let his anger and desire for revenge consume him.
I feel Kratos from God of War needs to meet Bahamut and the other gods of FFXV. They’re the reason why Eos is suffering and none of residents argue against them.
The Adventurer that was the demons doing. Every time they died they’d release this stuff into the air that made harder and harder for sun light to shine through Eos’s atmosphere. This is also Ardyn’s doing since he’s the making the demon, in a matter of speaking.
Just as King J. Grim said, "Ardyn is what happens when destiny decides you will be be the villian." Man did right be his people and the gods basically screwed him over.
@@JPX7NGD Ardyn's pride was preordained, as was his revenge, and his redemption. This is what he was meant to be, even his defiance was fate, so that he could better embody his calling as the limitless Darkness.
@@camazotzbat5970 This may be something you mutter to yourself in your hopes that denying free will will make you unjudgeable, but you cannot escape Judgement any more than you can escape free will. ardyn could have easily known who he was and stayed in his lane. By trying to become more than he was, he was sent to be less.
@@FoxtailVA ardyn tries to make himself more than he is, and destroys himself in the process. Might as well make him useful at that point. Free will simply means you can make correct, rightly ordered decisions on your own. Making bad or evil choices is actually a complete rejection of the will and that is why evil people become so unable to tell right from wrong anymore.
The whole storyline is a twisted joke. The gods had a war among themselves which ruined the landscape and led to star-scourge being unleashed into Eos, they decided to gift divine powers to humans to stop it instead but that makes no sense. If they could just give someone the power to stop it then they could cut out the middle man and do it themselves. Instead of doing their job and taking out the darkness themselves they decide to use humans as farm , they give a bit of power to the Lucis family and each child born inherited that power, the crystal was made to absorb the power each king had when they died. Ardyn was indeed special, he was chosen from the start to be the one who absorbs all the darkness and contains it in one spot to prevent it from ruining the world whilst the crystal charges its battery, once it was nearly full Ardyn got busted out and then gets ordered by the Bahamut himself to spread the darkness that Somnus was ordered to be sealed away. All this is too convenient. Ardyn is released just before the chosen king is to be born, his release gave the empire the edge in the world which pushed Lucis to the brink of collapse, if he wasn't introduced Noctis would have lived in peace and probably would have won the war with the empire and would not be committed to killing Ardyn as he would not have done the shit that made him hate him. By Ardyn being released and learning of his fate, Bahamut knew full well Ardyn would go on a mental breakdown and not just spread the scourge but ruin Noctis's life and torment him which gave him the will and desire to complete the pact and sacrifice himself. He then makes it out to Noctis that he must do this otherwise the scourge will never disappear. In the end the Ardyn and the Lucis line all die with the scourge and Bahamut didn't have to get his hands dirty, as a bonus Ifrit the god who rebelled ended up dying as well. The remaining humans will likely blame the empire for what happened and praise Noctis and the gods for ending the blight and start civilization back up with the gods being worshiped again and make magitek taboo, the very things that allowed the empires to challenge the gods will be gone for good. The only one who got a happy ever after in this whole thing was Bahamut.
This was basically a story that Bahamut wanted to play out for NO real reason. He did not see any of these humans as anything but characters in his story.
What's sad is that FF15 could've been a great game if they didn't release it unfinished and with what little story there was, split between a movie, anime, and game.
It's such a shame that this is the end, the game started of decent, and the DLC (though some of it was rough) really added some much needed development; there's so much potential set-up at the end of this DLC with Bahamut really being the main villain of FF15 that will now never see fruition
yeah well tbh even if the story was fleshed out on release properly, the combat is still pretty broken and dogshit so I still think theres a lot of areas to improve in that regard. But I agree, if all of this story stuff was seamlessly blended into the game it would ultimately be above average
shampants yeah the combat was kinda fun at first but I rarely used many other weapons cause the season pass gave me a sword that boots warp damage and it was broken as shit, but also the lack of any class or real magic system made the combat boring really fast. Tie that in the the horrible or lack there of story and it’s just a bad game. It obviously needed another 2 years. It wasn’t ready and we paid 60$ for an early access FF game.
Bahamut is truly the real monster of Eos, forged a man to consume the darkness in order to save the world, only to cast him into that very darkness and give wake to a true king whose only purpose for being is to die, destroying the very monster the gods created. Makes me wish there was another ending you could have taken, destroying the wicked gods and freeing Eos from their tyranny, who knows, it may have even saved Ardyn as well.
That was actually the plot of a book, Final Fantasy XV -The Dawn of the Future-, in which Noct and Ardyn both kill Bahamut. Check out the Final Fantasy wiki.
@@KhoaTran-eo5eo exactly the gods in ff sound like kronika in mk everything must have balance but at the cause of people's lives i couldn't stand with that ideology
@@windmaster9 i cant stand it either, it truly reflect on the world we live in. Its time the humans take their power back, we are seeing ALOT of stories in games. All having to do with ending the reign of the gods, to even killling them. The gods just use us, they enslaved us for so long manipulate us to fight amost each other and cause war and division just so they can have power of our will like A Parasite. There is no eternal reward for our works? such deception. Even on this planet earth. god the humans are so dumbed down. they believe what they want to believe. That we in a planet of no evil or deception and they have been fed lies ALL ALONG. And this whole contruct of sinning and religion is the ultimate trap, spending live times reincarnating because thats the ultimate game. tho its a platform for souls to grow and learn. Its just very punishing and painful. It truly shows why we humans have so much hate and why we thrive in drama and not realize who the real enemy is. and of all things this god Dam Dragon is called bahamut which is basically BAHPHOMET THE FUKING SERPERNT!?!?!?!? dragons and serpent worshipping THE GOD DAM devil IN YOUR Face. Wake up ppl, we live in A SATANIC WORLD WERE our rulers use signs and symbols and using the media and entertaining to influence AND brainwash you Its so unbearably bad that people have no fucking awareness to even notice..... like ANYYYYTHING. TO the point that they just show it off in plain sight, and just laugh at us. anyways i took it too far LOL
Somnus mess with the destiny of others and gets to be the king Gods: *sleep* Ardyn wants to claim his own justice against his brother and royal line. Gods: *REAL $#!+*
@UCgRiECBXZBrdZ7NwnqiEawQ .... Bahamut quite literally said, Ardyn would be the bringer of darkness to be struck down, and given peace by the true King Noctis. Ardyn's path of chaos was preordained, was coated in blood, and Somnus was the one to put him on that path... As he was meant to.
@@themisteroctopus1033 well good for somnus then! Imagine being a king while your brother is imprisoned. Must be difficult or somnus, getting all those royal pussy and whatnot.
@kacangbumbu987 What Aera saw, is what Ardyn saw when he attempted to touch the crystal himself. She saw Noctis, she didn't see either of the brothers, and I'm basing this on the fact that Somnus was accepted by the crystal despite not being "chosen". The path Somnus "forces" was the path he was meant to thread, one where he betrays his brother to have him become the bringer of evil. While his line would eventually give birth to Noctis, who is the true King of light. If Ardyn was meant to be chosen, there would be no Noctis, no true King, no herald of darkness, and no FFXV on the basis of the lore as it's presented.
The sad thing is, if the second season pass would have been continued I bet that the option of defying fate would have been some sort of good alternate ending like with episode Ignis, but Tabata sadly resigned...
@makeanewchronoplz i honestly think placing any blame is silly, FF15 had a development cycle from hell, multiple technology jumps, engine issues and constant redesigning, they just wanted to be over with it, personally i loved the direction it was going initially when it was 13 versus, with the worshipping of gods of death and all that stuff.
@@AlessandroTheCynical Let’s just be thankful that Square Enix has at least fixed this development team and engine problem now and future FF titles won’t be screwed because of it.
@@vinceunknown1935 same monster but it's production was very different, maybe he's as strong as a military manufacture diamond weapon, but I think ff7s diamond weapon the earth manifested in response to end working events is different lol
The ironic thing is, if Bahamut just told "Ardyn, you will gather all the darkness and then be a sacrifice" im pretty sure he may have accepted...but noooo, lets play with his life...why i should worry if he cant kill me?-Bahamut
When his love is talking in front of bahamut...you can kind of hear an echo of bahamuts voice behind her speech..but its VERY low...I dont think that was the Oracle at all...
It was the Oracle as much as it was when Luna was there. Remember, she supported Noctis to the very end, while also knowing of his fate to be the King of kings. Like Luna, she carried out the will of the gods, guiding her beloved to their fate and forcing him into it when he wouldn't do it; For Ardyn, it's the defy fate ending... For Noct, it's him needing Luna to summon the rest of the Royal Arms so he can stand a chance against the Leviathan.
@@TheSehroyal no .... its clearly Bahamut is manipulating for a reason everything i bet he wants the crystals powers for him self but needs more sacrifices
[Dawn of the Future] dlc would have given us the "true ending" Ardyn is too powerful to be beaten in the last fight of the standard edition of the game. Bahamut decrees noctis has failed his destiny and the only way to make things right is to destroy the world and rid the universe of demons. The rest of the astrals/gods team up with noctis to fight bahamut's physical body, while Ardyn finally ascends to the throne and completes the ritual of kings that would have killed noctis in the original ending. Everyone works together and Ardyn dies to take out Bahamut. Riding the world of the crystal, but also demons in the process (Ardyn was cursed with being the source) In the end, everyone got to choose their own destiny instead of just playing by Bahamut's script.
How did the demons come to the world in the first place. That is the true question at hand. Was this the doing of gods that started all of this or was it some unnatural phenomenon that caused all this. No one will know. There are so many questions still unanswered at hand.
@@Dragonfangize Its stated in the games lore that daemons came from the star scourge which itself came about due to the war among the gods. So they created the problem first, then created a whole bloodline gifted with divine powers to act as sacrifices in order to destroy the star scourge, but instead of being upfront about this they made bs prophecies to act as propaganda.
So this is like the plot of FF12 all over again. Gods messed with men's destiny until men had enough and try to be free from their influence, only in that game the heroes/anti-villains succeeded while this one failed miserably, I guess. Where's Kratos when you need him xD.
FF12 is a continuation of FFT where the gods created a messed up world and made 12 scions to mend it and 12 scions to support it. The first 12 were cast down and imprisoned when they fulfilled their duties of absorbing and containing the flaws or otherwise fixing and cleaning the world in some way, some fought back but were still defeated soundly. The second 12 were left as pillars of its principles except Ultima who thought it was really effed up what they did to the first 12 and went and freed them to wage war on the gods, though it was futile in the end (also Zodiark didn't go he liked his job). Ardyn is like the scion CuChulainn, a scion of purity and beauty tasked with absorbing all the world's impurity into himself. Upon finding the world more corrupt than the gods ever imagined and eating all he could, the gods found him revolting and cast him down.
Backwards dude. 12 was before TT. The story of 12 was somewhat glanced over as the age of antiquity during the time period of the war of the lion. It’s suppose to be a parallel to our age of antiquity and the medieval period. But to relate to what you said, think about this: Ultima and the lucavi have been warring with mortals and dead gods for thousands of years, all for the revenge of there fall. Now that is maddening crap right there
Do you remember that quotation from Shakespeare's Hamlet that appeared in the early trailers for FF Versus XIII? "Why, then, 'tis none to you, for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
nah, the gods really fucked Eos over especially Ardyn, remorse means jack shit if in the end you still let it happen. Not really all powerful if you need a mortal to clean up their mess eh?
@@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975 Humans are created to do the hard work for the gods. The one who have no good sense is you, you really dont know your place. You want the gods to sacrifice themselves for you? You want them to serve you? What's next? A general doing the job of a soldier, perhaps?
@@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975 The Astral gods were unconcern at humanity at first didn't even bother to rule them or interfere in mankind affairs . but when Ifrit help the humans and raise the first empire which is solheim, the humans he help betrayed ifrit thinking they are more superior than the astral gods. Which in turn Ifrit try to destroy humanity and burn them into ash. Of course The other gods won't allow it so the War began. which in that process was created the starscourge in that conflict. If the Humans in solheim didn't betrayed ifirt then he wouldn't try to destroy them. If Ifrit didn't betrayed the other gods the war wouldn't happen because they swore to protect Eos not destroy it. If that war didn't happen then the starscourge wouldn't exists. Then the need of having a King of Kings wouldn't be needed. Ardyn and Somnus situation would be different. All of this happen because humans Assholes in Solheim became to stupid to think they are far greater than gods that created them. I understand why Ifrit the Inferian was so pissed. You help them and in turn got slap in the face because you help them. lol
Ardyn Lucis Cailem is easily my favorite villain of any game so far, he’s quirky without over expressing himself, his voice is just the perfect thing to make you forget that he has a very sad and emo background, and in most scenes you find him in, his nonchalant nature makes him seem very comedic in my opinion. Finally there’s the fact that he swears allegiance to only himself and himself alone, brilliantly using schemes to screw over all parties that cross his path as to make sure his rise to power moves as swimmingly as possible
@@jnut9494 and do you want to know what we got instead of Episode Noctis, Lunafreya and Aranae, which would have been a sequel to Episode Ardyn Defying his fate, they would have teamed up all at different times with Ardyn to weaken and bring down Bahamut.... we got Forespoken, that is why they cancelled the episodes
So... To the "preordained world, the fate decided by gods"... You either submit to it and become their pawn, hence mankind sacrificial lamb... Or you defy it only to be submitted by sheer force, hence falling to madness and doing their bidding by blind revenge... If you ask me, the true villains all along are the gods themselves, like, why don't they deal with the Starscourge themselves?
In the novel that takes place after the game, Bahamut is revealed to be a narcissistic asshole who sees himself as the ultimate lifeform, a gardener who gets to decide what plants live in his garden. Doesn't matter if these 'plants' are millions of people with lives of their own, or who he destroys in the process. He does it simply because he can, and because he thinks its healthiest. It makes his fate in the novel all the better.
@@WalkerOfTheWastes And my comrades ask me why I prefer Shinryu way more than Bahamut... The first is plain honest/transparent on his goal no matter the FF game :) As for Bahamut within FFXV, I fear your stated novel (where it decides once again to use his Teraflare on the planet but enhanced with Demon Power so the other Gods won't be able to stop him like last time, plus Ifrit is already out of equation) won't be adapted like a "last DLC" :/
In a sense, I think his mindset was basically "if Im going down Im taking u guys with me" and given his immortality he didnt give them much of a choice.
@@ZeroAxle actually it is. The director said all the different endings are canon because of this weird time loop alternate timeline thing. Because of what they had in mind before it was canceled, each ending is considered its own separate canon. XD
With the irony being that self control in Lucius is not truly real, just a veiled scheme by gods to make the world's events unfold the way they wanted.
@@NapalmJustice Nonsense. At any point, ardyn could have thought less of himself instead of thinking he was better than everyone simply because of narcissism.
@@NapalmJustice Think of the devil and the demons. They know what they did is wrong. They regret it more than you could imagine. If given the opportunity to do things differently, they would still do what they did and they have not even the slightest capacity for Good. Why? They are dead and so their will is set. They are unforgivable because they knew exactly what was going to happen before they did it, and so they are unable to change no matter what. The are only allowed to exist because they are merely being used as pawns so that humans do not forget that evil exists or forget how ugly evil is. What was the horrid thing that the demons did? They committed suicide because they felt spirits were the greatest form of life and refused to admit otherwise when that was refuted. When humanity was announced, the devil was furious that God would dare "insult" the Rational Soul by merging it with a body. What really set the devil off was that God's human Person would be born by a fully human woman and that all would bow before her as Queen. The devil hated all material life, and especially women because of sex and childbirth, and the idea of a Person of the Trinity passing through a vagina repulsed everything about his spirit-supremacist ideology. Then the idea of subordinating himself to a human, a human woman nonetheless, was so repulsive that the devil committed "suicide by cop" upon hearing of God's Plan. The devil falsely called himself as "the Bearer of Light" because he thought he would be the one to bring God's final Person of the Trinity into creation. The real Bearer of Light is a woman, a human woman with a material body and a womb for children. The devil really wasn't special at all. you, as a human, have no such impediment and your will is totally free. This is because your fallen nature is due to an ignorant mistake, and therefore (while at fault) you are salvageable. No matter how evil you are, you can always change. It won't be easy, and you will have to pay for your evil first, but you can change. The demons want petty revenge against humanity because they think you are less than they are and they think you deserve their fate instead; God disagreed. God is in control, and on your side. God is not on the side of those who chose the nothingness of hell over Him. As for the game, Noctis did not have to take his mantle. Noctis could have been like the other 113 kings. What was different is that seeing the absolute suffering caused by ardyn's pride, Noctis was willing to accept into himself the humility needed to destroy evil itself. somnus could have destroyed ardyn if he had the courage to take on that humility within the first generation and it would have ended before it started. Instead it took thousands of years before someone with the courage to actually fight back against the disease itself instead of just the symptoms was born. I really hate the stories in final fantasy games, but the ending of ffxv was the first time I actually respected a game as that ending seemed to have its head screwed on the right way for the first time.
@@JPX7NGD I think we might be talking about the game on two different levels. I'm talking about it more in terms of objective narrative themes and possible storytelling conventions, whereas you're drawing parallels to life and your beliefs. I respect it and respect you, though. And I'm glad you found a game that connects with you in such a deep manner! It makes me wish this wasn't the last DLC, and that we could see a moment where Noctis's friends find out about Bahamut's plan.
Oh man, The ending is fucking awesome. I can't wait to see how they top this obviously new and well planned storyline in the following DLC's...............What?
@ Well now that you've been rude I don't feel bad about just calling you a dumbass when it appears that other people *did* get the joke and you didn't.
They should've had Bahamut as a final boss if you choose to resist. IT's already in Comrades, and after seeing how that went, I would've honestly loved for Ardyn to kick it's ass.
Kinda defeats the purpose though, it seems like Bahamut was intended as the one obstacle that Ardyn could never overcome, and was the catalyst into Ardyn's tragic story.
I had a feeling about Aera being in league with Somnus ever since her talk with him, and her smile right before she died in Episode Ardyn Prologue anime 😑
How is he so strong? 2 thousand years with all that darkness, Somnus, probably even gaining intensity by absorbing residual shadows. Two. Thousand. YEARS!
Just another animus bug...or apple of eden vision..... Ubisoft turned AC into stupid fantasy game. In next game will will see Gerald from Rivia vs Rome soldiers
This was a better story than the main game, don't get me wrong traveling with Noctis and his bros was great fun but, it never had the excitement and impact I was looking for. This DLC took me 2 hours and it had so much emotion and action in it that I wish was in the main game. OR give us the option to play through Ardyn's story and Noctis both have pros and cons. (plus playing as the villain is good fun)
The world would be better without the Astrals, specially Bahamut. If Bahamut depicts the Astrals' mindsets towards mortals on achieving a greater purpose. Then do it with their divinity in check themselves. ... Sorry for ranting, but Ardyn's destiny was frustrating and maddening. One last thing, just make matters worse Somnus justified his ambition by fullfiling his calling and protecting his people, and after defeating him and before killing Regis, dear Bahamut stops him stating the "fate that shall it be" as some plan that lead to this moment. EDIT: THIS COMENT WAS FROM THE OPTION WHICH HE SUBMITS. EDIT2: I don't know if it is Aera's true positioning or just Baha's doing to manipulate Ardyn. However, now is confirmed: Bahamut is the true overlord @$$hole.
So that Noctis can be the only one who for the first time ever, actually saves Ardyn from his fate even knowing the high cost of it all. Given the now slightly improved narrative and cast, I will declare that I am still rooting for Noctis. He retains the integrity of a good and wise King that Somnus was not.
Pretty much why I´m not playing it. If its all a puppet show run by the gods then all agency is robbed form the characters, so why care about them at all? Well, maybe you can care about them as sympathetic victims merely playing their parts, but who wants to play that? Ironically I bet it all seemed really artistic and full of deep meaning about the futility of man, blah, blah, blah at the design and writing stage... but all it does is make me not want to play the game at all.
@Beast slayer I mean I didn't say it was bad just wished it had some sort of "proper closure" :/ felt like the main antagonists were rather the gods, and I wished there could have been some sort of alternate ending since they did give a good ending for noctis and Ignis....
@Beast slayer plus I'm sure we could admit that with how long the game took to be made, and all this extra stuff being added year after release it was rushed.
To steal a line from FGO Babylonia: "The Gods have never sided with humanity. Not even once." And to combat Aera's line at 17:17 --- There are only two kinds of gods/deities - those that have always been and those that were created by humans. The later cannot exist without humans. They draw their power from continual prayer, worship, and reverence. So for many deities that came after, they exist solely by the grace of humans and cannot live without.
@@dandane5227 Nothing. Until you reveal you made it wrong on purpose and punish everybody beneath you for it. It's not like the astrals called the starscourge themselves, it's pretty much just the same species as Jenova (reusing plot points is par for Final Fantasy, like how Dirge of Cerberus is literally just FF Unlimited). But it's strange how all the power of the mortals COMES from the Astrals but they refuse to do anything about it themselves and just do this roundabout BS of empowering the mortals to be their sacrifices. Just like the Occuria from FFXII, which are a retelling of the gods from FFT and how they made the scions into pariah to hide the fact they made the world wrong which is why Ultima rebelled after seeing how they treated her dark counterparts.
@@Aoenias One thing you people always forget is free will. No evil man wants to admit fault, so we get garbage like this dlc and like your message here.
@@JPX7NGD Oh yeah totally. It's not Bahamut's fault Ardyn used the powers granted to him by Bahamut in the way Bahamut asked to suck up all the starscourge that Bahamut didn't want to get himself dirty with so that Ardyn could be sacrificed for doing a duty Bahamut didn't tell him about until after he was already soaked with starscourge. Nope, TOTALLY just Ardyn exercising his free will to put himself in a situation where he could only let himself get killed or be tortured for eternity by the one that knew the entire time he would have to be sacrificed if he did the task asked of him and didn't let him know until the time of sacrifice arrived so that he wouldn't be able to back out. You're so smart.
I've always said it and ill say it again. FFXV plot as a whole is amazing, the draft is amazing. Its too bad that they rushed it out and didnt properly explain it. Could have easily reach my top 3 if they expanded on the plot
Fans when the first trailers came out: "Wow Noctis is such an hot babe I love him so much" Fans now that the game finally ended: "Noctis? Who? Oh yeah, that guy. Btw have you heard of our lord and savior jesus ardyn christ?"
Okay, let's set some things straight... First of all, in their frenzy to implicit the astrals, everyone seems to be forgetting about the starscourge, the horrible disease that turns people into monsters. Wether or not Ardyn's life as an immortal carrier of the scourge is related to him being betrayed by his brother Somnus is not quite clear, but what we do know is that if the world was going to be saved, Ardyn had to go. To achieve this, a plan was deviced to destroy the crystal when Ardyn had been "killed" in the mortal realm to eradicate his soul. That was the only way to truly kill him. To achieve this, the chosen king had to give his life. The crystal is linked to the Lucis line, so only with their death can the crystal be destroyed. This much we can establish from the game itself. Now, let's keep some things in mind about Ardyn. First of all, he's murdered a looooot of people and made the world worse than it has ever been, and he would have done so without the word of the gods. Because he wanted revenge. The idea of losing everything to fates cruel hand is not unique to Ardyn, this sadly happens to people. But how many goes on murder crusades? With this line of reasoning we can rule out any notion that Ardyn was undeserving of his end or that he "did nothing wrong". Now that we have established his evilness, let's move onto Bahamut. The astrals made Eos, but they had no way of removing the starscourge. They tried with an orcale, but it was simply not enough due to how fast it spread. So, to permanently end the problem, they deviced a plan that meant more suffering for Ardyn, and the death of the Lucis line. In the end, it worked, and Ardyn even got got his revenge. Now, some may say "there must have been a better way". Okay, how? What else could they have done? Unless they could have destroyed the crystal themselves, which it doesn't seem like they can. Even then, what happened the last time an astral tried to kill Ardyn? That astral got infected with the starscourge. It's a risk they really can't afford. What if Bahamut himself became corrupted? Also bear in mind, they are gods who made the world. It stands to reason they have considered every option already. So, to cleanse the world, this was the plan, and it worked. Also, the crystal and the oracle are gone, so there is no more way for mortals to commune with the gods, effectivelt ending their influence. The world moves on without the thrall of gods or scourge at the price of the Lucis line. One that in the end was worth the sacrifice.
Who wants to bet that Episode Noctis was going to be about Noctis finding out about Bahamut being the true big bad and then teaming up with Ardyn to kick some godly ass.
It doesn't explain how Ardyn knew Gentiana and why Ardyn could heal and absorb the scourge without dying, he had power of kings even though he didn't have the ring. (He could warp strike, had armiger and even made the wall in Insomnia) and when Regis did it he had to do it by using the ring and it drained his life. Ardyn had so many powers which aren't explained. He can take other peoples people's appearance. He took Gladio, Prompto and Noctis appearance for example. And I'm confused was Ardyn chosen by the crystal or not?
Moogle Noct Ardyn was originally chosen by the crystal, but he absorbed the Starscourge trying to heal people infected with it and was rejected by the gods
@Forever Gamer Podcast thank you so much for clearing that up for me. Am I right in thinking that the astrals warned Aera not to tell Somunus that Ardyn was the chosen one? And why does Ardyn call Somunus "the blessed one?" And was Somunus trying to excuse himself by saying Ardyn should not have been allowed to sit the thrown as he was tainted? Sorry for all the questions Forever Gamer podcast, it just seemed you have a better understanding than myself.
@Forever Gamer Podcast The ring doesn't give them the ability to warp or summon weapons, that is a part of the powers they were gifted by the gods, as they were given these abilities to protect the crystal. The ring just allows them to uses some of the power of the crystal. Also, I'm pretty sure him seeing that he was chosen was just what he wanted to see as he was falling into madness. As by the end, you find out that it was all a part of the gods plans to have him to become the source of the plague of stars and that Somnus was also just following his fate set by the gods.
A little heavy handed with the exposition, but fun and awesome none the less. His fate both imprisoned him and freed him to make the only choice that mattered. And he chose to reinforce his fate with his blackened heart. Noctis likewise had his fate sealed. But he chose to embrace gratitude for the life given to him by others. It could easily have been reversed. Ardyn could have been grateful and doomed, Noctis entitled and bitter. Both annihilating in the end. So if annihilation is inevitable...what kind of road trip do you want to have along the way?
@@FoxtailVA you are mistaking the spirit world for the afterlife. ardyn's body was destroyed, so he only existed in the spirit world. noctis then went to the spirit world to delete ardyn at the spiritual level. The spirit world is a concurrent part of creation existing within the same space as the material world.
@GhostlyOutcast God has reached out to us since the fall. If you are looking for a "god" made in your ugly image, you will not find one. As Venerable Fulton Sheen said: "If we leave the Cross out of the Life of Christ, we have nothing left, and certainly not Christianity. For the Cross is related to our sins. Christ was our “stand in” on the stage of life. He took our guilt as if He were guilty and thus paid the debt that sin deserved, namely, death. This made possible our resurrection to a “new life” in Him. Christ, therefore, is not just a teacher or a peasant revolutionist, but our Savior. Our modern world does not like the word “sin.” What is forgotten is that sin is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is the denial of sin. If I am blind and deny there is any such thing as light, I shall never see. If I am deaf and deny sound, I shall never hear. And if I deny there is sin, I make forgiveness impossible . I believe that the whole political and religious situation of the world can be summed up in terms of the divorce of Christ and His Cross. Put the Cross-less Christ on the right side, and the Christ-less Cross on the left. Who picks up the Crossless Christ? Our decadent Western civilization. Christ is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification. Who picks up the Christless Cross? Russia and China, where there is a dedication to a common ideology, the use of discipline and authority to keep peace and order. But neither can heal. The, Crossless Christ leaves men burdened with their guilt which festers in a thousand psychosis and neuroses. The Christless Cross cannot save for it ends in Dachau, the Gulag Archipelago and the squeezing of the lives of millions like grapes to make the collective wine of the State. Which will first find Christ with the Cross? The totalitarian states who have the Cross without Love, or the Western world which has “love” so often erotic-without sacrifice? We do not know. But we do know that at the end of time, when the great battle between the forces of good and evil takes place, satan will appear without the Cross, as the Great Philanthropist and Social Reformer to become the final temptation of all mankind." That anti-christ seems to be what you want. Also, what is this generic term "religion" meaning here?
@GhostlyOutcast God has already shown Himself. you insist that He hasn't. From experience that means you are desperate to find your own reflection in God. By ugly I mean sinful, because you seem to be the type to only accept a "god" that strangely resembles your worst qualities you are clearly ashamed of. your hurt reaction here tells me I was right. To the point you are even threatening to kill me. Careful, reprobate, digging graves for others only leads to you falling in. Ironically, there is no greater way to defeat evil than by Martyrdom. The moment we seem defeated, we are more alive and powerful than you could imagine. The ending of ffxv actually shows that, which is ironic that you are sneering at it in a video about ffxv. The Church created all you take for granted. As Chesterton said, everyone who sought to destroy the Church only succeeded in destroying themselves and all civilization. If you insist on going down this path, then we will rebuild the world you destroyed with your ego-tantrum just as we always have. Now, to correct you. Faith is the highest form of thought and foundation for all other thought. Logic is the lowest form of thought as it relies on the senses. Reason, pure intellect, is the broadest form of thought and is totally blind without Faith. Like Chesterton also said: "The man who cannot believe his senses, and the man who cannot believe anything else, are both insane, but their insanity is proved not by any error in their argument, but by the manifest mistake of their whole lives. They have both locked themselves up in two boxes, painted inside with the sun and stars; they are both unable to get out, the one into the health and happiness of heaven, the other even into the health and happiness of the earth. Their position is quite reasonable; nay, in a sense it is infinitely reasonable, just as a threepenny bit is infinitely circular. But there is such a thing as a mean infinity, a base and slavish eternity. It is amusing to notice that many of the moderns, whether sceptics or mystics, have taken as their sign a certain eastern symbol, which is the very symbol of this ultimate nullity. When they wish to represent eternity, they represent it by a serpent with his tail in his mouth. There is a startling sarcasm in the image of that very unsatisfactory meal. The eternity of the material fatalists, the eternity of the eastern pessimists, the eternity of the supercilious theosophists and higher scientists of to-day is, indeed, very well presented by a serpent eating his tail, a degraded animal who destroys even himself."
@GhostlyOutcast Christ is God Himself. A separate self-consciousness of God that has the same essence as God. Actually, misuse of free will is what caused the fall. Adam refused to be healed of his corruption because he consumed a quarantined memory of the devil's suicide and therefore mistakenly believed that God had betrayed him. Christ is the New Adam. Christ was Crucified to pay the debt of Adam, and the site of the Crucifixion was Golgotha. Golgotha (literally "the skull") was the burial place of Adam after he died. The moment Christ succumbed to his wounds, there was an earthquake. The earth cracked open and a skull (Adam's skull) was spit out of the grave. The three days Christ spent in sheol was to find and free Adam from his prison to bring Adam back to Heaven. This Venerable Fulton Sheen quote reminds me of you: "Many of us live as if God doesn’t exist or we keep Him locked away in a closet, opening the door only when we need something from Him. We shut Him out of our thoughts. We exclude Him from our plans. We ignore His voice in our consciences. We assume that, because we are “nice people” He will not keep us from entering Heaven when our time on Earth has ended. In a sense, that last sentence is correct - He will not keep us out of Heaven. The truth is that we will keep ourselves out of Heaven - and He, out of perfect love, will allow us to make that decision. He loves us enough to allow us to exercise our own free will. hell will be our own decision, not His, and we will rehearse making that decision during our time in this life. We are creatures of habit. We practice making our eternal decision right here, right now. We need to change our habits, God does not move away from us and is always here for us. It is we who move away from Him."
@GhostlyOutcast God shows Himself every second of every day. That you are too busy gazing at your own navel in adoration of your ego is as meaningless as the life you have horrifyingly chosen to yourself. The Church is eternal. I said that we would have to rebuild civilization after your murder/suicide of humanity is attempted. How many times has it had to happen over just the past 1000 years, let alone 2000. you cannot just ignore the Truth and hopes it goes away.
So that’s how Regis looks when he was young gotta say I guess now we see where noctis gets his looks from and also is the episode available for download now ?
I have to say, I felt bad for Ardyn even back at the original release, once I finally found a bit of his backstory. Truly the “Gods” are horrible people.
I was expecting ardyn to turn into demonic armored giant so we can have a fight between two grown men fighting inside of swearing rubber costumes doing martial art moves
Seeing this vid made me believe that the entirety of FFXV's plot was really just the Astrals gradually and painfully eradicating humanity by stripping the people of the King of Lucis (bye bye "Noctis-powered" healing consumables...). Tabata saying that there's no other way (until Episode Ignis kicked that out of the window) to every truly destroy Adryn feels more like him posing as the Astrals trying to make people believe fate could never be changed no matter what (considering that directors are kinda like "gods" of the works they've created alongside the team helping to produce said work). I wonder how pissed the deities must feel when they've seen their plans for humanity's punishment get derailed by a particular specs-wearing dagger wielder (in Episode Ignis alternate ending that is)
@@elisabethacronqvist7859 You don't have to have a quarter of the gameplay be filled with tragedy in order to build character development and a good story. There are plenty of games that had some tragic moments in them, but didn't focus so heavily on that aspect to be great. Final Fantasy 7 probably had the best amount of tragedy with Aeris(Aerith)'s death. It was sad and helped push motivation to take down Sephiroth. But we didn't have to sit through the second half of the game seeing the entire team mourning the loss. Hajime Tabata focused too much on tragedy to deepen the story.
@@nimarus3118 quick question,boy - where you see happy story in FF VII??? Zack died,Aerith died;Cloud suffered by deep depression,because he felt guilty for Zack's death;Sephiroth gone mad;Vincent become to a monster;Genesis mutated...and this you call a happy story???seriously???
Man.. Ardyn is pitiful like Noctis. Both born to be sacrifice and one spread the darkness and while the other spread the light and become the beacon of hope. In the end, the blood of lucis is perished.
Though he did have his revenge. Insomnia destroyed. Area descendant killed by his own hand. Tortured King of Kings Noctis. Killed Somnus. With Finale of The End of Royal Blood Lucis perished. In the end, he got what he want.
So... was Bahamut the big bad or evil dictator all along? With Ardyn his sacrificial jester? I sort of wish there was an option or chance to actually fight Bahamut here. Feels like it would've been an excellent showdown to put down the King of Gods or the Dragon King. I honestly forgot what Bahamut's role is in FFXV
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So Noctis was born just so he can sacrifice himself to save Ardyn from the injustice he was born to receive. The world they live in is no more than a story plot written by the gods, and that’s sad
Reminds me about Type 0 and ffxiii, this made ffxv feel like it was still apart of the fabula nova crystallas universe for a moment
@@popcultureenthusiast5587 agreed I can't help but think noctis was a l'cie fulfilling a focus
And again...not sure why Square thought it would be cool for us to play a game that ends badly on purpose
There was one way to win without the sacrifice but it's not canon. Ignis second ending. Guess that might be because the gods planned little for a mere vassal and probably considered what happened in that one a surprise.
"The world they live in is no more than a story plot written by the gods".
And they don't write that well...
One of the rare instances you want to side with an FF villain this time
Yeah... Fuck the Gods!
A doomed choice to make. Bahamut controls all the power in this situation, even being able to reverse time and restrain us for as long as it needs.
Him and Caius.
The rest of 'em are just douchebags.
@@valencia2488 Meh Kuja was alright.
@@ryukaze20 i loved vayne's motivation
Seeing this just makes me wish we got the rest of the dlc episodes so we could see the true and happier ending that this game and these characters deserve
I wish they didn't cancel all the dlc for this game. Imagine Noctis and Ardyn teaming up to destroy Bahamut to free the world
It would have been epic and the truly right ending for this fuck the gods
Isn't that what happen in the novel?
Soul6 Yes
@@soul6733 The novel is pretty much the stories of what would have happened in the DLCs. And Bahamut wanted to screw Luna over...AGAIN
@mitsukaai reading the novel atm and currently finished ardyns part. It was almost the same except for Luna showing up at the throne. Excited to see what happens next
So he was a hero, that was betrayed and wanted vengeance. So he is really a victim.
Treye Parker he is the victim but everyone is the pawn include ardyn.
@@hisyamamirudiin26 Ardyn is my sersioulsy my favorite FF villian even with the clusterfuck of the story. Even with the broken, incomplete mess that is FFXV, when you piece it together you get an amazing story. You need to also add the lore that they scrapped as well, but once you do....man this FF had a really really good story.
@@kukukachu yep after playin all of the available dlc, the story is far more interesting. Shame square didn't make it into one complete game. And knowing that luna will have a significant role on her part
So, Big Boss?
So can we kill the gods in this game yet or what?
[In short]
*Gods:* _Hey! Let's mess with this one person, JUST.THIS.ONE.SPECIFIC.PERSON!_
*Other Gods looking bored:* _Hmm sure, why not._
*Ardyn after hearing his true purpose:* _WHAT.THE.ACTUALLY.F**K!!!?_
Not at all, ardyn became evil because he wanted to "be like gods." he was given over to insanity and left as a total mockery of what he pretended to be.
@@JPX7NGD nope ,he requests power to acquire revenge no more no less. just a reason to live and means to an end
@@JPX7NGD What? No. He just wanted revenge against the asshole who stole everything from him so yeah fck Somnus.
“I’m no mortal, I’m a monster. The path men tread was never meant for me. Mine is paved with blood and darknes” One of the best quotes made by a villain I’ve ever seen.
The music made it hit even harder too.
Eh, I feel that it's actually quite cliche and many a villain has made similar lines. The lines are quite generic as well.
@@eirmundgundnand9442 hey,if you have nothing to say,go back in your stinky teenage room in stay quiet
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 If different opinions offend you then go back to your safe space.
@@eirmundgundnand9442 safe space?? :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D That was hilarious.
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 I'm glad you thought so.
16:00 Seeing how powerless Ardyn is when compared to Bahamut was both devastating for him and the viewer/player. This moment comes right after he razed a city, slaughtered the royal guard, disabled the defenses existed for decades, defeated the sacred guardians, and defeated two kings. This is a beautiful moment in my opinion because we as the player began to relate with Ardyn, to believe in his cause because he had been wronged, and maybe even had a little bit of fun. Bahamut intervenes at our moment of triumph, right as Ardyn is going to take his revenge, shattering any illusion that we had free will. This whole story gives a new perspective on the life of a once mysterious villain that we may have all hated without knowing about his motivations. He was betrayed by the gods that he revered so much, was nearly cut down by his brother and lost the love of his life, and then he was called a monster and imprisoned on a remote island--all evidence of his existence being erased from history.
The only thing ardyn loved is himself, and acted accordingly (and was punished deservedly).
ardyn had free will, he could have not been so narcissistic that he tried to destroy everything. he could have not become corrupt through his ugly ambition.
The devil thought he was powerful before he was destroyed by St Michael too. As you could probably (and unfortunately) attest to, evil does not understand its place and proportion and so it lies to itself and lashes out in tantrum at its own impotence. Had ardyn or the devil had humility, they would not have been impotent as it was their pride that made them impotent.
@@JPX7NGD Yep its so obvious to a proper mind that this is just fortifying peoples views on the devil as *maybe the devil isnt the bad guy* so idiotic are people to believe this, and especially from a video game, bare in mind the song stand by me matches so great with this game as the sky will be blackened as it was after noct came back, it will be like this in end days not so far from now, such epicness it made it
@@MrOrangeonion I think tabata was let go because the ending to the game was so out of place compared to the usually satanic nonsense found in se games.
@@JPX7NGD it did seem rushed like, you were sorta having fun with your 3 pals then the pacing of the game was like... well how did all this suddenly happen, it felt insanely rushed especially for the ff franchise.
@@JPX7NGD You do realize Ardyn cured people of the starscourge, took it into his body, and did it all because the god's told him to. Then in the end he is betrayed by his brother, locked away for two thousand years and you try to compare a man betrayed by selfish gods to the devil? Ardyn was far from the prideful, arrogant, and greedy being that the devil is. He is in fact a tragic character, who in the end let his anger and desire for revenge consume him.
I feel Kratos from God of War needs to meet Bahamut and the other gods of FFXV. They’re the reason why Eos is suffering and none of residents argue against them.
Kratos will Solo them all
Chân Triệu Vân like he soloed the Greek gods? Maybe. But he should leave Shiva be.
The Adventurer that was the demons doing. Every time they died they’d release this stuff into the air that made harder and harder for sun light to shine through Eos’s atmosphere. This is also Ardyn’s doing since he’s the making the demon, in a matter of speaking.
Actually Bayek almost met bahamut and Ardyn
or call for Illidan. He knows, how to ignore fate. And he was also imprisoned for a long time
Just as King J. Grim said, "Ardyn is what happens when destiny decides you will be be the villian." Man did right be his people and the gods basically screwed him over.
No, his pride screwed him over, and he was destroyed as he should have been.
@@JPX7NGD Ardyn's pride was preordained, as was his revenge, and his redemption. This is what he was meant to be, even his defiance was fate, so that he could better embody his calling as the limitless Darkness.
@@camazotzbat5970 This may be something you mutter to yourself in your hopes that denying free will will make you unjudgeable, but you cannot escape Judgement any more than you can escape free will.
ardyn could have easily known who he was and stayed in his lane. By trying to become more than he was, he was sent to be less.
@@FoxtailVA ardyn tries to make himself more than he is, and destroys himself in the process. Might as well make him useful at that point.
Free will simply means you can make correct, rightly ordered decisions on your own. Making bad or evil choices is actually a complete rejection of the will and that is why evil people become so unable to tell right from wrong anymore.
@@JPX7NGD what was ardyn's crime before he was imprisoned then? Before somnus' fated betrayal?
The whole storyline is a twisted joke. The gods had a war among themselves which ruined the landscape and led to star-scourge being unleashed into Eos, they decided to gift divine powers to humans to stop it instead but that makes no sense. If they could just give someone the power to stop it then they could cut out the middle man and do it themselves. Instead of doing their job and taking out the darkness themselves they decide to use humans as farm , they give a bit of power to the Lucis family and each child born inherited that power, the crystal was made to absorb the power each king had when they died.
Ardyn was indeed special, he was chosen from the start to be the one who absorbs all the darkness and contains it in one spot to prevent it from ruining the world whilst the crystal charges its battery, once it was nearly full Ardyn got busted out and then gets ordered by the Bahamut himself to spread the darkness that Somnus was ordered to be sealed away.
All this is too convenient. Ardyn is released just before the chosen king is to be born, his release gave the empire the edge in the world which pushed Lucis to the brink of collapse, if he wasn't introduced Noctis would have lived in peace and probably would have won the war with the empire and would not be committed to killing Ardyn as he would not have done the shit that made him hate him.
By Ardyn being released and learning of his fate, Bahamut knew full well Ardyn would go on a mental breakdown and not just spread the scourge but ruin Noctis's life and torment him which gave him the will and desire to complete the pact and sacrifice himself. He then makes it out to Noctis that he must do this otherwise the scourge will never disappear.
In the end the Ardyn and the Lucis line all die with the scourge and Bahamut didn't have to get his hands dirty, as a bonus Ifrit the god who rebelled ended up dying as well. The remaining humans will likely blame the empire for what happened and praise Noctis and the gods for ending the blight and start civilization back up with the gods being worshiped again and make magitek taboo, the very things that allowed the empires to challenge the gods will be gone for good.
The only one who got a happy ever after in this whole thing was Bahamut.
the whole war was also a ploy by the gods ... the gods dont give a shit about Eos they made the world they can make it again
Wow man, bahamut is just like my boss. Except, with the magic and shits
This was basically a story that Bahamut wanted to play out for NO real reason. He did not see any of these humans as anything but characters in his story.
Thank you. You just read a shortened version of the Bible
Bahamut is an a s s h o l e
What's sad is that FF15 could've been a great game if they didn't release it unfinished and with what little story there was, split between a movie, anime, and game.
It's such a shame that this is the end, the game started of decent, and the DLC (though some of it was rough) really added some much needed development; there's so much potential set-up at the end of this DLC with Bahamut really being the main villain of FF15 that will now never see fruition
27 hour rpg. SMH
and yet with all those luna is never more than a cardboard
yeah well tbh even if the story was fleshed out on release properly, the combat is still pretty broken and dogshit so I still think theres a lot of areas to improve in that regard. But I agree, if all of this story stuff was seamlessly blended into the game it would ultimately be above average
shampants yeah the combat was kinda fun at first but I rarely used many other weapons cause the season pass gave me a sword that boots warp damage and it was broken as shit, but also the lack of any class or real magic system made the combat boring really fast. Tie that in the the horrible or lack there of story and it’s just a bad game. It obviously needed another 2 years. It wasn’t ready and we paid 60$ for an early access FF game.
i love the part when ardyn says "i'm no mortal, i'm a monster"
I mean, at least he doesn't deny it, unlike most of the comments here.
Seriously, wtf?
@@Luxai the only demon i see is the god themself , the words of the god is workless as the god themself
morb
@@Luxai He isnt. He's a good person at heart and even Noctis admitted this.
Bahamut is truly the real monster of Eos, forged a man to consume the darkness in order to save the world, only to cast him into that very darkness and give wake to a true king whose only purpose for being is to die, destroying the very monster the gods created. Makes me wish there was another ending you could have taken, destroying the wicked gods and freeing Eos from their tyranny, who knows, it may have even saved Ardyn as well.
That was actually the plot of a book, Final Fantasy XV -The Dawn of the Future-, in which Noct and Ardyn both kill Bahamut. Check out the Final Fantasy wiki.
@@F0re5tMan that would have been a better ending
youre so right, why all this bloodshed and conflict.. just to keep them divided so that they can control them
@@KhoaTran-eo5eo exactly the gods in ff sound like kronika in mk everything must have balance but at the cause of people's lives i couldn't stand with that ideology
@@windmaster9 i cant stand it either, it truly reflect on the world we live in. Its time the humans take their power back, we are seeing ALOT of stories in games. All having to do with ending the reign of the gods, to even killling them. The gods just use us, they enslaved us for so long manipulate us to fight amost each other and cause war and division just so they can have power of our will like A Parasite. There is no eternal reward for our works? such deception. Even on this planet earth. god the humans are so dumbed down. they believe what they want to believe. That we in a planet of no evil or deception and they have been fed lies ALL ALONG. And this whole contruct of sinning and religion is the ultimate trap, spending live times reincarnating because thats the ultimate game. tho its a platform for souls to grow and learn. Its just very punishing and painful. It truly shows why we humans have so much hate and why we thrive in drama and not realize who the real enemy is. and of all things this god Dam Dragon is called bahamut which is basically BAHPHOMET THE FUKING SERPERNT!?!?!?!? dragons and serpent worshipping
THE GOD DAM devil IN YOUR Face. Wake up ppl, we live in A SATANIC WORLD WERE our rulers use signs and symbols and using the media and entertaining to influence AND brainwash you
Its so unbearably bad that people have no fucking awareness to even notice..... like ANYYYYTHING. TO the point that they just show it off in plain sight, and just laugh at us. anyways i took it too far LOL
Somnus mess with the destiny of others and gets to be the king
Gods: *sleep*
Ardyn wants to claim his own justice against his brother and royal line.
Gods: *REAL $#!+*
He didn't mess with destiny, he played into destiny, hence why he was accepted by the crystal, despite "stealing" kingship from Ardyn.
@UCgRiECBXZBrdZ7NwnqiEawQ .... Bahamut quite literally said, Ardyn would be the bringer of darkness to be struck down, and given peace by the true King Noctis. Ardyn's path of chaos was preordained, was coated in blood, and Somnus was the one to put him on that path... As he was meant to.
Oh? On God(s)??
@@themisteroctopus1033 well good for somnus then! Imagine being a king while your brother is imprisoned. Must be difficult or somnus, getting all those royal pussy and whatnot.
@kacangbumbu987 What Aera saw, is what Ardyn saw when he attempted to touch the crystal himself. She saw Noctis, she didn't see either of the brothers, and I'm basing this on the fact that Somnus was accepted by the crystal despite not being "chosen". The path Somnus "forces" was the path he was meant to thread, one where he betrays his brother to have him become the bringer of evil. While his line would eventually give birth to Noctis, who is the true King of light. If Ardyn was meant to be chosen, there would be no Noctis, no true King, no herald of darkness, and no FFXV on the basis of the lore as it's presented.
The sad thing is, if the second season pass would have been continued I bet that the option of defying fate would have been some sort of good alternate ending like with episode Ignis, but Tabata sadly resigned...
@makeanewchronoplz i honestly think placing any blame is silly, FF15 had a development cycle from hell, multiple technology jumps, engine issues and constant redesigning, they just wanted to be over with it, personally i loved the direction it was going initially when it was 13 versus, with the worshipping of gods of death and all that stuff.
makeanewchronoplz type 0 was decent tho
@makeanewchronoplz Nomura had nothing to do with FFXV. He was taken out even before they started making it.
@@AlessandroTheCynical Let’s just be thankful that Square Enix has at least fixed this development team and engine problem now and future FF titles won’t be screwed because of it.
The end of that is the exact reason Ardyn is one of my favorite antagonists
Because you think it justifies yourself in some way?
The Fact Ardyn can Fight Giant Somnus head on makes him as Powerful as *Diamond Weapon!*
how
@@scouri4655 Let's see now? 🤔
Somnus fought against Diamond Weapon on the Movie Kingslave.
Still isn't explained as to how a FF7 boss appeared in FFXV
@@vinceunknown1935 same monster but it's production was very different, maybe he's as strong as a military manufacture diamond weapon, but I think ff7s diamond weapon the earth manifested in response to end working events is different lol
@@vinceunknown1935 The Diamond Weapon's blueprints and reports are found in Chapter 14 and Episode Prompto.
The ironic thing is, if Bahamut just told "Ardyn, you will gather all the darkness and then be a sacrifice" im pretty sure he may have accepted...but noooo, lets play with his life...why i should worry if he cant kill me?-Bahamut
When his love is talking in front of bahamut...you can kind of hear an echo of bahamuts voice behind her speech..but its VERY low...I dont think that was the Oracle at all...
and we can see that camera focused on Bahamut, not Aera
It was the Oracle as much as it was when Luna was there.
Remember, she supported Noctis to the very end, while also knowing of his fate to be the King of kings. Like Luna, she carried out the will of the gods, guiding her beloved to their fate and forcing him into it when he wouldn't do it; For Ardyn, it's the defy fate ending... For Noct, it's him needing Luna to summon the rest of the Royal Arms so he can stand a chance against the Leviathan.
@@TheSehroyal if noctis resisted his fate alongside ardyn, imagine the feeling if bahamut used luna against him
@@TheSehroyal no .... its clearly Bahamut is manipulating for a reason everything i bet he wants the crystals powers for him self but needs more sacrifices
It is Bahamut using her likeness to manipulate him, once again :/
So, can I summon Somnus to beat him up again? Because you know...he deserves.
Bahamut deserves it more than anyone else. He caused the entire events of FF15 to occur the way they did.
[Dawn of the Future] dlc would have given us the "true ending"
Ardyn is too powerful to be beaten in the last fight of the standard edition of the game.
Bahamut decrees noctis has failed his destiny and the only way to make things right is to destroy the world and rid the universe of demons.
The rest of the astrals/gods team up with noctis to fight bahamut's physical body, while Ardyn finally ascends to the throne and completes the ritual of kings that would have killed noctis in the original ending.
Everyone works together and Ardyn dies to take out Bahamut. Riding the world of the crystal, but also demons in the process (Ardyn was cursed with being the source)
In the end, everyone got to choose their own destiny instead of just playing by Bahamut's script.
Jeez, Bahamut that was messed up! Thanks for putting the video up!
How did the demons come to the world in the first place. That is the true question at hand. Was this the doing of gods that started all of this or was it some unnatural phenomenon that caused all this. No one will know. There are so many questions still unanswered at hand.
@@Dragonfangize Its stated in the games lore that daemons came from the star scourge which itself came about due to the war among the gods. So they created the problem first, then created a whole bloodline gifted with divine powers to act as sacrifices in order to destroy the star scourge, but instead of being upfront about this they made bs prophecies to act as propaganda.
Shak you could be right. It just shows how corrupt that world is.
This man Ardyn is itaching his people "slaughter my clan for the world's sake" but in reverse
I love that you made Itachi Uchiha a verb. Massive kudos for you, good sire.
Slaughtering the world for my clan's sake?
@@thelonecourier3439 nope slaughter my clan for my own sake
Thank you for the clear up
Yeah hes sasuke lol
So this is like the plot of FF12 all over again. Gods messed with men's destiny until men had enough and try to be free from their influence, only in that game the heroes/anti-villains succeeded while this one failed miserably, I guess.
Where's Kratos when you need him xD.
Yeah you could compare Ardyn and Ifrit to Vayne and Venat. But the whole lore is more comparable to that of FF13.
FF12 is a continuation of FFT where the gods created a messed up world and made 12 scions to mend it and 12 scions to support it. The first 12 were cast down and imprisoned when they fulfilled their duties of absorbing and containing the flaws or otherwise fixing and cleaning the world in some way, some fought back but were still defeated soundly. The second 12 were left as pillars of its principles except Ultima who thought it was really effed up what they did to the first 12 and went and freed them to wage war on the gods, though it was futile in the end (also Zodiark didn't go he liked his job). Ardyn is like the scion CuChulainn, a scion of purity and beauty tasked with absorbing all the world's impurity into himself. Upon finding the world more corrupt than the gods ever imagined and eating all he could, the gods found him revolting and cast him down.
Backwards dude. 12 was before TT. The story of 12 was somewhat glanced over as the age of antiquity during the time period of the war of the lion. It’s suppose to be a parallel to our age of antiquity and the medieval period. But to relate to what you said, think about this: Ultima and the lucavi have been warring with mortals and dead gods for thousands of years, all for the revenge of there fall. Now that is maddening crap right there
@@warriorchemist5630 This should be of note to you:
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I'd imagine in your wishful thinking that never allows you to admit fault.
So, in the end, gods and men are bound to destiny. And no one is truly to be blamed, I guess.
Do you remember that quotation from Shakespeare's Hamlet that appeared in the early trailers for FF Versus XIII? "Why, then, 'tis none to you, for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
@@ralphrestubog5519 There's no how to be good to everyone.
nah, the gods really fucked Eos over especially Ardyn, remorse means jack shit if in the end you still let it happen. Not really all powerful if you need a mortal to clean up their mess eh?
@@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975 Humans are created to do the hard work for the gods. The one who have no good sense is you, you really dont know your place. You want the gods to sacrifice themselves for you? You want them to serve you? What's next? A general doing the job of a soldier, perhaps?
@@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975 The Astral gods were unconcern at humanity at first didn't even bother to rule them or interfere in mankind affairs . but when Ifrit help the humans and raise the first empire which is solheim, the humans he help betrayed ifrit thinking they are more superior than the astral gods. Which in turn Ifrit try to destroy humanity and burn them into ash. Of course The other gods won't allow it so the War began. which in that process was created the starscourge in that conflict. If the Humans in solheim didn't betrayed ifirt then he wouldn't try to destroy them. If Ifrit didn't betrayed the other gods the war wouldn't happen because they swore to protect Eos not destroy it. If that war didn't happen then the starscourge wouldn't exists. Then the need of having a King of Kings wouldn't be needed. Ardyn and Somnus situation would be different. All of this happen because humans Assholes in Solheim became to stupid to think they are far greater than gods that created them. I understand why Ifrit the Inferian was so pissed. You help them and in turn got slap in the face because you help them. lol
10:50 WOW! That's kinda like what Noct did against Ifrit with Bahamut!
Is this the good ending nigga???
Ardyn Lucis Cailem is easily my favorite villain of any game so far, he’s quirky without over expressing himself, his voice is just the perfect thing to make you forget that he has a very sad and emo background, and in most scenes you find him in, his nonchalant nature makes him seem very comedic in my opinion. Finally there’s the fact that he swears allegiance to only himself and himself alone, brilliantly using schemes to screw over all parties that cross his path as to make sure his rise to power moves as swimmingly as possible
The battle is incredible and the OST just great
The one thing missing from this DLC is a fight to change fate and destroy Bahamut and the world .
Thats why I am sad that the Last DLC with the alternate ending wont be...
It's sad we never will get Episode Noctis, the true end to all this.
Episode Noctis would've been him and Ardyn teaming up to fight Bahamut?
@@vinceunknown1935 Yep.
@@soul6733 We were Robbed!
@@jnut9494 and do you want to know what we got instead of Episode Noctis, Lunafreya and Aranae, which would have been a sequel to Episode Ardyn Defying his fate, they would have teamed up all at different times with Ardyn to weaken and bring down Bahamut....
we got Forespoken, that is why they cancelled the episodes
Just waiting for FF7 Remake Episode Sephiroth in year 4270
Flip Hert I’ll call Capcom right now and tell them you have a good idea
So... To the "preordained world, the fate decided by gods"...
You either submit to it and become their pawn, hence mankind sacrificial lamb...
Or you defy it only to be submitted by sheer force, hence falling to madness and doing their bidding by blind revenge...
If you ask me, the true villains all along are the gods themselves, like, why don't they deal with the Starscourge themselves?
In the novel that takes place after the game, Bahamut is revealed to be a narcissistic asshole who sees himself as the ultimate lifeform, a gardener who gets to decide what plants live in his garden.
Doesn't matter if these 'plants' are millions of people with lives of their own, or who he destroys in the process. He does it simply because he can, and because he thinks its healthiest.
It makes his fate in the novel all the better.
@@WalkerOfTheWastes
And my comrades ask me why I prefer Shinryu way more than Bahamut...
The first is plain honest/transparent on his goal no matter the FF game :)
As for Bahamut within FFXV, I fear your stated novel (where it decides once again to use his Teraflare on the planet but enhanced with Demon Power so the other Gods won't be able to stop him like last time, plus Ifrit is already out of equation) won't be adapted like a "last DLC" :/
So didn't Ardyn technically win and achieve his goal at the very end of all this?
In a sense, I think his mindset was basically "if Im going down Im taking u guys with me" and given his immortality he didnt give them much of a choice.
Unless you take the secret ending during Ignis’s episode then yes, yes I know it’s not cannon
@@ZeroAxle actually it is. The director said all the different endings are canon because of this weird time loop alternate timeline thing. Because of what they had in mind before it was canceled, each ending is considered its own separate canon. XD
@@Lithiel That's stupid.
Technically the gods won, since everything played out as Bahamut willed it.
I'm here before buying the episode because I have no self control
With the irony being that self control in Lucius is not truly real, just a veiled scheme by gods to make the world's events unfold the way they wanted.
@@NapalmJustice Nonsense. At any point, ardyn could have thought less of himself instead of thinking he was better than everyone simply because of narcissism.
@@JPX7NGD I hear you. And I agree! But I'm not talking so much as mental or physical self control --- more like existentialism and determinism.
@@NapalmJustice Think of the devil and the demons.
They know what they did is wrong.
They regret it more than you could imagine.
If given the opportunity to do things differently, they would still do what they did and they have not even the slightest capacity for Good.
Why? They are dead and so their will is set. They are unforgivable because they knew exactly what was going to happen before they did it, and so they are unable to change no matter what. The are only allowed to exist because they are merely being used as pawns so that humans do not forget that evil exists or forget how ugly evil is.
What was the horrid thing that the demons did? They committed suicide because they felt spirits were the greatest form of life and refused to admit otherwise when that was refuted. When humanity was announced, the devil was furious that God would dare "insult" the Rational Soul by merging it with a body. What really set the devil off was that God's human Person would be born by a fully human woman and that all would bow before her as Queen. The devil hated all material life, and especially women because of sex and childbirth, and the idea of a Person of the Trinity passing through a vagina repulsed everything about his spirit-supremacist ideology. Then the idea of subordinating himself to a human, a human woman nonetheless, was so repulsive that the devil committed "suicide by cop" upon hearing of God's Plan.
The devil falsely called himself as "the Bearer of Light" because he thought he would be the one to bring God's final Person of the Trinity into creation. The real Bearer of Light is a woman, a human woman with a material body and a womb for children. The devil really wasn't special at all.
you, as a human, have no such impediment and your will is totally free. This is because your fallen nature is due to an ignorant mistake, and therefore (while at fault) you are salvageable. No matter how evil you are, you can always change. It won't be easy, and you will have to pay for your evil first, but you can change.
The demons want petty revenge against humanity because they think you are less than they are and they think you deserve their fate instead; God disagreed. God is in control, and on your side. God is not on the side of those who chose the nothingness of hell over Him.
As for the game, Noctis did not have to take his mantle. Noctis could have been like the other 113 kings.
What was different is that seeing the absolute suffering caused by ardyn's pride, Noctis was willing to accept into himself the humility needed to destroy evil itself.
somnus could have destroyed ardyn if he had the courage to take on that humility within the first generation and it would have ended before it started. Instead it took thousands of years before someone with the courage to actually fight back against the disease itself instead of just the symptoms was born.
I really hate the stories in final fantasy games, but the ending of ffxv was the first time I actually respected a game as that ending seemed to have its head screwed on the right way for the first time.
@@JPX7NGD I think we might be talking about the game on two different levels. I'm talking about it more in terms of objective narrative themes and possible storytelling conventions, whereas you're drawing parallels to life and your beliefs. I respect it and respect you, though. And I'm glad you found a game that connects with you in such a deep manner! It makes me wish this wasn't the last DLC, and that we could see a moment where Noctis's friends find out about Bahamut's plan.
Oh man, The ending is fucking awesome. I can't wait to see how they top this obviously new and well planned storyline in the following DLC's...............What?
This is the last dlc for ffxv
@ Sorry dude, I don't mean to be a douche but I was making a joke that you just didn't get.
@@matthewmclean6574 a joke that has to be explained it's a mere failure.
@ Well now that you've been rude I don't feel bad about just calling you a dumbass when it appears that other people *did* get the joke and you didn't.
@ Wasn't a failure if 7 other people plus myself understood it.
They should've had Bahamut as a final boss if you choose to resist.
IT's already in Comrades, and after seeing how that went, I would've honestly loved for Ardyn to kick it's ass.
Kinda defeats the purpose though, it seems like Bahamut was intended as the one obstacle that Ardyn could never overcome, and was the catalyst into Ardyn's tragic story.
I had a feeling about Aera being in league with Somnus ever since her talk with him, and her smile right before she died in Episode Ardyn Prologue anime 😑
The Ardyn vs Regis music is fucking amazing
Ardyn + the music ===> my geeky fangirl's heart is full of happiness
How is he so strong? 2 thousand years with all that darkness, Somnus, probably even gaining intensity by absorbing residual shadows. Two. Thousand. YEARS!
Bahamut: Darkness?
Ardyn: Darkness
Bahamut: Thank You!
Ardyn: Fuck my life!
the helplessness of it all would drive any man insane...
That is the point, and the scenario the gods contrived to deal with the problem of the starscourge
that was literally sweet revenge. kicking Somnus's arse. like, i would've wanted to grind him into dust as well.
Still doesn't explain how he managed to appear in Assasin's Creed Origins...
It's the same portal that threw sora into another dimension. They just happened to both get thrown through it at the same time.
Oh and plot twist. The portal is actually in Sora' s shoes.
I guess bahamut sent ardyn while he still unconscious
Just another animus bug...or apple of eden vision..... Ubisoft turned AC into stupid fantasy game. In next game will will see Gerald from Rivia vs Rome soldiers
@@DartLuke its not a bug or glitch
At least this dlc focus on the best part of the game, Daddy Ardyn.
Did you get a early code? I can’t see it on ps4 store lol.
This makes me want to get the novel for the canceled episodes when it comes out just to see if everyone gets a happy ending.
what novel ?
@@trumpdonald3122 Dawn of the future book
I think we all agree for give Ardyn a good weapon like.... A godkiller for slay the gods 😏😏
This was a better story than the main game, don't get me wrong traveling with Noctis and his bros was great fun but, it never had the excitement and impact I was looking for. This DLC took me 2 hours and it had so much emotion and action in it that I wish was in the main game. OR give us the option to play through Ardyn's story and Noctis both have pros and cons. (plus playing as the villain is good fun)
Regis recognizes Ardyn here yet in kingsglaive he doesn’t.
Were you seriously expecting consistency in a Nomura game?
@@judia3719 I think the only like you have is actually yours because your comment is really fucking retarded
Maybe he beat up Regis so hard he forgot? xD
@VerumRex Tabata had to make sense of Nomuras crazy ideas, it wasn't the mans fault.
@VerumRex nomura... Talent? HAHAHAHA
Man, that laugh at the end give me goosebumps
The world would be better without the Astrals, specially Bahamut. If Bahamut depicts the Astrals' mindsets towards mortals on achieving a greater purpose. Then do it with their divinity in check themselves. ... Sorry for ranting, but Ardyn's destiny was frustrating and maddening. One last thing, just make matters worse Somnus justified his ambition by fullfiling his calling and protecting his people, and after defeating him and before killing Regis, dear Bahamut stops him stating the "fate that shall it be" as some plan that lead to this moment.
EDIT: THIS COMENT WAS FROM THE OPTION WHICH HE SUBMITS.
EDIT2: I don't know if it is Aera's true positioning or just Baha's doing to manipulate Ardyn. However, now is confirmed: Bahamut is the true overlord @$$hole.
Because he stops your self-insert from trying to apotheosize himself?
"Everything is preordained." Why bother playing FFXV at all lol
Pretty much majority of games are preordained, unless it's a Bioware or a David Cage game.
So that Noctis can be the only one who for the first time ever, actually saves Ardyn from his fate even knowing the high cost of it all.
Given the now slightly improved narrative and cast, I will declare that I am still rooting for Noctis. He retains the integrity of a good and wise King that Somnus was not.
The truth ending is future of new dawn which they all survive which... SE canceled it and Tabata left.
Thats whats good about Drakengard. Different pathways, different endings
Pretty much why I´m not playing it. If its all a puppet show run by the gods then all agency is robbed form the characters, so why care about them at all? Well, maybe you can care about them as sympathetic victims merely playing their parts, but who wants to play that? Ironically I bet it all seemed really artistic and full of deep meaning about the futility of man, blah, blah, blah at the design and writing stage... but all it does is make me not want to play the game at all.
#JusticeforArdyn 😭
Bro come on this DLC needed some proper closure, like maybe a good ending for ardyn honestly..
@Beast slayer I mean I didn't say it was bad just wished it had some sort of "proper closure" :/ felt like the main antagonists were rather the gods, and I wished there could have been some sort of alternate ending since they did give a good ending for noctis and Ignis....
@Beast slayer plus I'm sure we could admit that with how long the game took to be made, and all this extra stuff being added year after release it was rushed.
@Beast slayer yea prices are awful
@Ryder Steel yez
Song at 15:40 when he says I’m no mortal, I’m a monster?
6:35 He Finally Shows Himself!
To steal a line from FGO Babylonia: "The Gods have never sided with humanity. Not even once."
And to combat Aera's line at 17:17 --- There are only two kinds of gods/deities - those that have always been and those that were created by humans. The later cannot exist without humans. They draw their power from continual prayer, worship, and reverence. So for many deities that came after, they exist solely by the grace of humans and cannot live without.
and the ones that came before humans dont need humans ...
Where is the soundtrack for this. Someone help me find it plz
Ultima was right, the gods only create discord.
Personally, I like Teamspeak but Discord is okay
Aoenias what’s wrong with creating a community?
@@dandane5227 Nothing. Until you reveal you made it wrong on purpose and punish everybody beneath you for it.
It's not like the astrals called the starscourge themselves, it's pretty much just the same species as Jenova (reusing plot points is par for Final Fantasy, like how Dirge of Cerberus is literally just FF Unlimited). But it's strange how all the power of the mortals COMES from the Astrals but they refuse to do anything about it themselves and just do this roundabout BS of empowering the mortals to be their sacrifices. Just like the Occuria from FFXII, which are a retelling of the gods from FFT and how they made the scions into pariah to hide the fact they made the world wrong which is why Ultima rebelled after seeing how they treated her dark counterparts.
@@Aoenias One thing you people always forget is free will. No evil man wants to admit fault, so we get garbage like this dlc and like your message here.
@@JPX7NGD Oh yeah totally. It's not Bahamut's fault Ardyn used the powers granted to him by Bahamut in the way Bahamut asked to suck up all the starscourge that Bahamut didn't want to get himself dirty with so that Ardyn could be sacrificed for doing a duty Bahamut didn't tell him about until after he was already soaked with starscourge. Nope, TOTALLY just Ardyn exercising his free will to put himself in a situation where he could only let himself get killed or be tortured for eternity by the one that knew the entire time he would have to be sacrificed if he did the task asked of him and didn't let him know until the time of sacrifice arrived so that he wouldn't be able to back out.
You're so smart.
Ok That Last Scene at the End. Was that supposed to had been a *Flash Point Paradox Referrence?*
Snow
I've always said it and ill say it again. FFXV plot as a whole is amazing, the draft is amazing. Its too bad that they rushed it out and didnt properly explain it. Could have easily reach my top 3 if they expanded on the plot
When did this DLC come out?
Last night.
Fans when the first trailers came out: "Wow Noctis is such an hot babe I love him so much"
Fans now that the game finally ended: "Noctis? Who? Oh yeah, that guy. Btw have you heard of our lord and savior jesus ardyn christ?"
Okay, let's set some things straight...
First of all, in their frenzy to implicit the astrals, everyone seems to be forgetting about the starscourge, the horrible disease that turns people into monsters.
Wether or not Ardyn's life as an immortal carrier of the scourge is related to him being betrayed by his brother Somnus is not quite clear, but what we do know is that if the world was going to be saved, Ardyn had to go. To achieve this, a plan was deviced to destroy the crystal when Ardyn had been "killed" in the mortal realm to eradicate his soul. That was the only way to truly kill him.
To achieve this, the chosen king had to give his life. The crystal is linked to the Lucis line, so only with their death can the crystal be destroyed. This much we can establish from the game itself.
Now, let's keep some things in mind about Ardyn. First of all, he's murdered a looooot of people and made the world worse than it has ever been, and he would have done so without the word of the gods. Because he wanted revenge. The idea of losing everything to fates cruel hand is not unique to Ardyn, this sadly happens to people. But how many goes on murder crusades?
With this line of reasoning we can rule out any notion that Ardyn was undeserving of his end or that he "did nothing wrong". Now that we have established his evilness, let's move onto Bahamut.
The astrals made Eos, but they had no way of removing the starscourge. They tried with an orcale, but it was simply not enough due to how fast it spread. So, to permanently end the problem, they deviced a plan that meant more suffering for Ardyn, and the death of the Lucis line. In the end, it worked, and Ardyn even got got his revenge.
Now, some may say "there must have been a better way". Okay, how? What else could they have done? Unless they could have destroyed the crystal themselves, which it doesn't seem like they can. Even then, what happened the last time an astral tried to kill Ardyn? That astral got infected with the starscourge. It's a risk they really can't afford. What if Bahamut himself became corrupted? Also bear in mind, they are gods who made the world. It stands to reason they have considered every option already.
So, to cleanse the world, this was the plan, and it worked. Also, the crystal and the oracle are gone, so there is no more way for mortals to commune with the gods, effectivelt ending their influence.
The world moves on without the thrall of gods or scourge at the price of the Lucis line. One that in the end was worth the sacrifice.
Why you don’t have more likes… I do not know. Thank you for the clarification.
Why dont you take a look at the novel and see how it actually goes?
Somnus's movement is somewhat...disappointing. I was hoping for something more in line with how he fought the Royal Edition.
Realy i thought i fit the fight it made him seem kingly for mr but just my opinoin
Who wants to bet that Episode Noctis was going to be about Noctis finding out about Bahamut being the true big bad and then teaming up with Ardyn to kick some godly ass.
should i bother getting a pre owned copy of ffxv to play episode ardyn?
It doesn't explain how Ardyn knew Gentiana and why Ardyn could heal and absorb the scourge without dying, he had power of kings even though he didn't have the ring. (He could warp strike, had armiger and even made the wall in Insomnia) and when Regis did it he had to do it by using the ring and it drained his life.
Ardyn had so many powers which aren't explained. He can take other peoples people's appearance. He took Gladio, Prompto and Noctis appearance for example.
And I'm confused was Ardyn chosen by the crystal or not?
Moogle Noct Ardyn was originally chosen by the crystal, but he absorbed the Starscourge trying to heal people infected with it and was rejected by the gods
@Forever Gamer Podcast thank you so much for clearing that up for me. Am I right in thinking that the astrals warned Aera not to tell Somunus that Ardyn was the chosen one?
And why does Ardyn call Somunus "the blessed one?" And was Somunus trying to excuse himself by saying Ardyn should not have been allowed to sit the thrown as he was tainted?
Sorry for all the questions Forever Gamer podcast, it just seemed you have a better understanding than myself.
@Forever Gamer Podcast If ardyn did become the first king probably the future noctis will be like that in FF versus 13. Not this Noctis in FF15. lol
@Forever Gamer Podcast True lol. That noctis in FF versus 13 is better. This Noctis only descent.
@Forever Gamer Podcast The ring doesn't give them the ability to warp or summon weapons, that is a part of the powers they were gifted by the gods, as they were given these abilities to protect the crystal. The ring just allows them to uses some of the power of the crystal.
Also, I'm pretty sure him seeing that he was chosen was just what he wanted to see as he was falling into madness. As by the end, you find out that it was all a part of the gods plans to have him to become the source of the plague of stars and that Somnus was also just following his fate set by the gods.
A little heavy handed with the exposition, but fun and awesome none the less.
His fate both imprisoned him and freed him to make the only choice that mattered. And he chose to reinforce his fate with his blackened heart. Noctis likewise had his fate sealed. But he chose to embrace gratitude for the life given to him by others.
It could easily have been reversed. Ardyn could have been grateful and doomed, Noctis entitled and bitter. Both annihilating in the end.
So if annihilation is inevitable...what kind of road trip do you want to have along the way?
Nonsense, as Noctis was alive at the end. Just not in the material world.
@@FoxtailVA the villain was deleted. the hero ascended.
@@FoxtailVA you mean when noctis then immediately blew ardyn up to erase him from existence and then went to the afterlife with luna?
@@FoxtailVA you are mistaking the spirit world for the afterlife.
ardyn's body was destroyed, so he only existed in the spirit world. noctis then went to the spirit world to delete ardyn at the spiritual level.
The spirit world is a concurrent part of creation existing within the same space as the material world.
bahamut call him a "pitiful creature" but bahamut created him that way......then in a way bahamut himself is a pitiful god.
Mno. The starscourge altered him.
i doubt 100% that gods really made the mortals
@@notoriousbig3k: Don't be so literal, he meant in a metaphorical way with all of Bahamut's "providence" bullshit.
Bruh I don’t know why (maybe it’s the slight similarities) but 19:50 onward, all I see when I hear that is the devil laughing
Arryn.Exe has stopped Working 19:50
@GhostlyOutcast God has reached out to us since the fall.
If you are looking for a "god" made in your ugly image, you will not find one.
As Venerable Fulton Sheen said:
"If we leave the Cross out of the Life of Christ, we have nothing left, and certainly not Christianity. For the Cross is related to our sins. Christ was our “stand in” on the stage of life. He took our guilt as if He were guilty and thus paid the debt that sin deserved, namely, death. This made possible our resurrection to a “new life” in Him. Christ, therefore, is not just a teacher or a peasant revolutionist, but our Savior. Our modern world does not like the word “sin.”
What is forgotten is that sin is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is the denial of sin. If I am blind and deny there is any such thing as light, I shall never see. If I am deaf and deny sound, I shall never hear. And if I deny there is sin, I make forgiveness impossible . I believe that the whole political and religious situation of the world can be summed up in terms of the divorce of Christ and His Cross. Put the Cross-less Christ on the right side, and the Christ-less Cross on the left. Who picks up the Crossless Christ? Our decadent Western civilization. Christ is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification.
Who picks up the Christless Cross? Russia and China, where there is a dedication to a common ideology, the use of discipline and authority to keep peace and order. But neither can heal. The, Crossless Christ leaves men burdened with their guilt which festers in a thousand psychosis and neuroses. The Christless Cross cannot save for it ends in Dachau, the Gulag Archipelago and the squeezing of the lives of millions like grapes to make the collective wine of the State.
Which will first find Christ with the Cross? The totalitarian states who have the Cross without Love, or the Western world which has “love” so often erotic-without sacrifice? We do not know. But we do know that at the end of time, when the great battle between the forces of good and evil takes place, satan will appear without the Cross, as the Great Philanthropist and Social Reformer to become the final temptation of all mankind."
That anti-christ seems to be what you want.
Also, what is this generic term "religion" meaning here?
@GhostlyOutcast God has already shown Himself. you insist that He hasn't.
From experience that means you are desperate to find your own reflection in God. By ugly I mean sinful, because you seem to be the type to only accept a "god" that strangely resembles your worst qualities you are clearly ashamed of.
your hurt reaction here tells me I was right. To the point you are even threatening to kill me.
Careful, reprobate, digging graves for others only leads to you falling in.
Ironically, there is no greater way to defeat evil than by Martyrdom. The moment we seem defeated, we are more alive and powerful than you could imagine. The ending of ffxv actually shows that, which is ironic that you are sneering at it in a video about ffxv.
The Church created all you take for granted. As Chesterton said, everyone who sought to destroy the Church only succeeded in destroying themselves and all civilization. If you insist on going down this path, then we will rebuild the world you destroyed with your ego-tantrum just as we always have.
Now, to correct you. Faith is the highest form of thought and foundation for all other thought. Logic is the lowest form of thought as it relies on the senses. Reason, pure intellect, is the broadest form of thought and is totally blind without Faith.
Like Chesterton also said:
"The man who cannot believe his senses, and the man who cannot believe anything else, are both insane, but their insanity is proved not by any error in their argument, but by the manifest mistake of their whole lives. They have both locked themselves up in two boxes, painted inside with the sun and stars; they are both unable to get out, the one into the health and happiness of heaven, the other even into the health and happiness of the earth. Their position is quite reasonable; nay, in a sense it is infinitely reasonable, just as a threepenny bit is infinitely circular. But there is such a thing as a mean infinity, a base and slavish eternity. It is amusing to notice that many of the moderns, whether sceptics or mystics, have taken as their sign a certain eastern symbol, which is the very symbol of this ultimate nullity. When they wish to represent eternity, they represent it by a serpent with his tail in his mouth. There is a startling sarcasm in the image of that very unsatisfactory meal. The eternity of the material fatalists, the eternity of the eastern pessimists, the eternity of the supercilious theosophists and higher scientists of to-day is, indeed, very well presented by a serpent eating his tail, a degraded animal who destroys even himself."
@GhostlyOutcast Christ is God Himself. A separate self-consciousness of God that has the same essence as God.
Actually, misuse of free will is what caused the fall. Adam refused to be healed of his corruption because he consumed a quarantined memory of the devil's suicide and therefore mistakenly believed that God had betrayed him.
Christ is the New Adam. Christ was Crucified to pay the debt of Adam, and the site of the Crucifixion was Golgotha. Golgotha (literally "the skull") was the burial place of Adam after he died.
The moment Christ succumbed to his wounds, there was an earthquake. The earth cracked open and a skull (Adam's skull) was spit out of the grave.
The three days Christ spent in sheol was to find and free Adam from his prison to bring Adam back to Heaven.
This Venerable Fulton Sheen quote reminds me of you:
"Many of us live as if God doesn’t exist or we keep Him locked away in a closet, opening the door only when we need something from Him. We shut Him out of our thoughts. We exclude Him from our plans. We ignore His voice in our consciences. We assume that, because we are “nice people” He will not keep us from entering Heaven when our time on Earth has ended.
In a sense, that last sentence is correct - He will not keep us out of Heaven. The truth is that we will keep ourselves out of Heaven - and He, out of perfect love, will allow us to make that decision. He loves us enough to allow us to exercise our own free will.
hell will be our own decision, not His, and we will rehearse making that decision during our time in this life. We are creatures of habit. We practice making our eternal decision right here, right now. We need to change our habits, God does not move away from us and is always here for us. It is we who move away from Him."
@GhostlyOutcast God shows Himself every second of every day. That you are too busy gazing at your own navel in adoration of your ego is as meaningless as the life you have horrifyingly chosen to yourself.
The Church is eternal. I said that we would have to rebuild civilization after your murder/suicide of humanity is attempted. How many times has it had to happen over just the past 1000 years, let alone 2000. you cannot just ignore the Truth and hopes it goes away.
Somnus: "what I did to you is uforgivable"
Me: "it's little bit late for felt sorry,after two fucking milenia,don't you think,Somnus???"
I need the final boss theme so good
So that’s how Regis looks when he was young gotta say I guess now we see where noctis gets his looks from and also is the episode available for download now ?
I thought Noct got his looks from Sasuke
whats the name of the song that starts at 15:45
Well now we need an episode where we can kill the gods
and the weapon to be used would be Ardyn in his royal arm form
Ardyn: *Kills*
Ardyn some seconds later: Is he dead?
That laugh at the end boy 👌
I can feel ardyn's pain
What's messed up is that they use aroea to stab arydn.
I have to say, I felt bad for Ardyn even back at the original release, once I finally found a bit of his backstory. Truly the “Gods” are horrible people.
Ardyns attempt to defy fate is more interesting than whatever noct does
The Somnus song is one of the best ost Tracks of all Time
good thing no one lives in that empty city lol
Does anyone know what that song name is when Ardyn says I’m a monster 15:46
I'm looking for it too...
Any luck?
@@whygreene8600 not me :v
Update still haven’t found it
I found it people, ruclips.net/video/ZtgE-PT1Niw/видео.html
My God, that laugh...so perfect
I was expecting ardyn to turn into demonic armored giant so we can have a fight between two grown men fighting inside of swearing rubber costumes doing martial art moves
Seeing this vid made me believe that the entirety of FFXV's plot was really just the Astrals gradually and painfully eradicating humanity by stripping the people of the King of Lucis (bye bye "Noctis-powered" healing consumables...). Tabata saying that there's no other way (until Episode Ignis kicked that out of the window) to every truly destroy Adryn feels more like him posing as the Astrals trying to make people believe fate could never be changed no matter what (considering that directors are kinda like "gods" of the works they've created alongside the team helping to produce said work). I wonder how pissed the deities must feel when they've seen their plans for humanity's punishment get derailed by a particular specs-wearing dagger wielder (in Episode Ignis alternate ending that is)
In FFXV, Gods are the real Devils all along.
Is regis wearing a shirt with the final fantasy cover art under his vest?
Did this event happen before or after kings glaive movie?
This happens before the movie
FF15 would have been a really great addition to the franchise...if it wasn't so damn depressing.
If you want funny games,go play Pokemon
@@elisabethacronqvist7859
You don't have to have a quarter of the gameplay be filled with tragedy in order to build character development and a good story. There are plenty of games that had some tragic moments in them, but didn't focus so heavily on that aspect to be great. Final Fantasy 7 probably had the best amount of tragedy with Aeris(Aerith)'s death. It was sad and helped push motivation to take down Sephiroth. But we didn't have to sit through the second half of the game seeing the entire team mourning the loss. Hajime Tabata focused too much on tragedy to deepen the story.
@@nimarus3118 quick question,boy - where you see happy story in FF VII??? Zack died,Aerith died;Cloud suffered by deep depression,because he felt guilty for Zack's death;Sephiroth gone mad;Vincent become to a monster;Genesis mutated...and this you call a happy story???seriously???
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 They didn't focus on the sad stuff constantly like in 15.
@@nimarus3118 oh,boy,you are hopeless...
I remember when this man had 4 digit subs. Found this man when xenoverse 2 and ff xv first came out. Still here for both games end.
Anyone know the name of the song at 16:08
"Is he dead?" Best thing ive ever heard Ardyn say
So, It turns out Bahamut is the true villain of Final Fantasy 15.
Man.. Ardyn is pitiful like Noctis. Both born to be sacrifice and one spread the darkness and while the other spread the light and become the beacon of hope. In the end, the blood of lucis is perished.
Though he did have his revenge.
Insomnia destroyed.
Area descendant killed by his own hand.
Tortured King of Kings Noctis.
Killed Somnus.
With Finale of The End of Royal Blood Lucis perished.
In the end, he got what he want.
@@tkrentiger9577 A fair exchanged for his suffering.
@@ronaldlalisan4987 Indeed.
Saying "Ardyn was dealt a bad hand" would be a huge understatement
no, he's pure ev1l all on his own.
So... was Bahamut the big bad or evil dictator all along? With Ardyn his sacrificial jester? I sort of wish there was an option or chance to actually fight Bahamut here. Feels like it would've been an excellent showdown to put down the King of Gods or the Dragon King. I honestly forgot what Bahamut's role is in FFXV