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I have space wolf squad with my 30k legion army as a body guard, or hit squad for my primarch. Even in my 40k ultra marine army I have a similar squad to body guard hit squad Guillamin. What's you your take on this @ the outer circle?
@@david__w7964 jamesy and gill went up the hill for cracking good shit. They use the warp in this universe, sounds like you on the rocket fuel bro and still warped ⛽
A mate asked me what the difference between 30K and 40K was. I explained that 30K was the "Napoleonic" tabletop version of the 40K scifi universe, including the obsessive attention to details like uniforms. Seems to fit.
To be honest I'm really interested in entering this. I collect 40k (build and paint armies, never played a game yet) I like the historical feel heresy has, yet has a sci fi spin to it. Thanks for doing a show like this to help out those of us with no real knowledge on the subject.
Brah... get them minis on the table and some dice in ya hands. Trust me, even if just once it's worth it. Your forces yearn for war and denying them would be cruel.
@@davetycho8330 I've played Templars for almost 20 years and I love using their Crusader Seals for my Imperial Fists, the Templar Cross is perfect. With new Heresy looming I have wanted to do Alpha Legion though.
Just to elaborate on the Chaplain aspect, with the Crozius Arcanum and Skull Helm The Blood Angels Wardens (their Chaplain substitute around the Red Thirst) did wear black armour and have a skull faced helm. Unsure why or if it was specifically mentioned as I've not read where I've had it referenced from. Their Crozius wasn't limited to a power maul however, and could be anything else. If I remember correctly, my brother has read and referenced Fear To Tread about these things
This is THE channel for HH! Thanks a lot for all you do. I´ve only started but I got stuck for you channel instantly, good points, solid arguments, looks after the lore etc...great work all in all.
I've got a bit of a soft spot for MK3 power armour. Especially for devastator squads and sternguard veteran squads in 40k. And Horus heresy era kill teams.
On Chaplains; I just recently read the short story “Lost Sons,” which focuses on 20 Blood Angels left behind on Baal during the Heresy. Their resident chaplain sports full black armor and a skulled helm. The same story also has a very campy moment where the marines mark their armor in Death Company colors, so I’m not entirely sure I am personally sold on the story’s accuracy…
Fear to tread has raldoron paint a dead bangel's armor black. And malevolence has an entire company of soot covered angels(from surviving their ship crashing). Seems the black armor is a funeral custom from baal's moons.
In Fear to Tread, there were marines that fell to the Red Thirst. At that point in time, they weren't seeing their Primarch's death, they were just seeing images of impending doom and the Heresy unfolding. When this happened, Sanguinas personally executed his men as they could not be brought out of this stupor. Horus found out about this flaw and Sanguinas kept it hush-hush because he was worried the Emperor would sanction his legion and have them destroyed for this flaw. The chaplains had skull helms for several reasons. In 40K it represents the Emperor. In 30K, it represented the word of the Emperor and to challenge that word meant death. Chaplains in 30K had 2 purposes - morale of the men and delivering edicts to new worlds. When they delivered these edicts, they would arrive and tell the world their choice was either to become a part of the Imperium or resist and be destroyed. Many of these chaplains were killed delivering these edicts. The Word Bearers exclusively relied upon the Chaplain to greet new worlds while the Sons of Horus, Dark Angels, and Alpha Legion would send a Captain or Praetor or someone important to discuss terms. The Expeditions that relied on more crusader type hosts, they would utilize the chaplains whereas the forces that dealt more on data, information, etc. would rely on a high ranking officer to parlay.
Charmosian, one of the Emperors Childrens Chaplains wore a skullhelmet as well. He didnt wear black armour, but purple armour with black trim. So, well, skull faces were kind of a thing for chaplains!
A lot of the fiction exists to explain the changes between the late Crusade era and 40k, with most of those changes occurring during the Heresy itself. By the Siege of Terra, expect a lot of things to look like 40k. But yeah, this one's a little weird because we know the Death Company's origins are tied to later events. I guess they're telling us that the color scheme was already in use and it would get repurposed after Sanguinius's death.
Planning on doing a Raven Guard strike force only reason I can justify using all plastic beakies due to the legion having a good amount of the mk6 compared to the rest.
Really useful video as someone who is getting into Hersey. I will be getting the box but plan on painting it up sons of Horus & word bearers so I’ll be adding lots of mark iii & iv ( hopefully all the weapon upgrades aren’t to much of a pain to convert into the other marks. Hopefully the new books will show the various colour schemes to get lots of the right time settings & fluff. Super excited about getting into more of a story telling game than meta chasing with 40K. Really helpful thank you 😊
My plan is removing hands from the iv and iii which should be fairly easy and then to remove the soft armour joints on the weapons. Add in some pins and ill re sculpt the joint
I am hoping that, with time, new players fall in love with the HH and began to transition from Mark VI to older and more common marks of armour. GW could spur that movement by releasing mark II plastic tactical and assault squads.
The problem is, it's based on 7th edition which was absolutely terrible to play. A hybrid between 7th and 8th would of been better. Get rid of the asinine force organisation garbage. Keep armour values for vehicles. Use the armour values and armour pen system in 8th edition Seems stupid to not make changes to a badly flawed game system when your rebooting it.
@@youtubevanced4900 That would been good. Combined arms draws people in. They have gone from a toy company to a merchandise/publisher company so the game will become more a after thought.
@@youtubevanced4900 what?! eighth was shit, I don’t remember a single good thing about that system, hh is not perfect but that would not be an improvement
Hi Macca! Thanks for all of your Horus Heresy videos. You were the one to convince me to shift away from the shit-show of WH40K towards the Horus Heresy. Your 'Getting Started In The Horus Heresy' videos were awesome, and really helpful in transitioning from playing Black Templars into Imperial Fists. Keep up the good work mate, and here's to many more years of quality content!
I love this video. Its fascinating information and a great intro to the game. It's obvious you've got a lot of passion and experience with 30k. I need to see if I can do a "combat patrol" style force. I'm really invested in 40k but I don't wanna be left out of the experience.
Saw your vid in my suggested list, clicked on your "About" page, read it, and must say I was BEYOND PLEASANTLY SURPRISED with your channel's credo sir! Awesome video and look forward to getting into Horus Heresy again with my VIIth legion when the new rules drop!
Hi Mac, I've been a long-time watcher of yours, sitting on the sidelines but still quite liking the Getting Started in 30K series. I've found a lot to love in the general artistic style, lore and appearance of the game relative to 40k, and as 9e has become more balanced and HH2.0 is on the horizon, I'm starting to take the leap into it now. I'm really pleased that you're doing these videos, because it brings across your love of the hobby in a really infectious way, and it makes me quite excited to give it a go. I've been theorycrafting lists in Battlescribe for the last few weeks and it's been great fun learning about different Legions, but also about cool-looking factions like Solar Aux. As things currently stand, I'm excited to maybe look at Sons of Horus or World Eaters. Lots of love here from NZ. Hopefully this will mean we end up with a Heresy community that I can find my way into. I'll be looking forward to further videos like this, and I bet they'll be incredibly useful for anyone trying to get into the hobby, too.
They don’t have mass plastic kits for assault marines if that’s what you want to play. Oh they sell bolter jocks in boxes of 20 with the special and heavy weapons separately, but you’ll have a hard time sourcing bolt pistol and chain sword arms in the correct armor pattern as well as period accurate jump packs in mass.
Sweet vid dude :) Re: Terminators. I was just reading about terminators in the red rulebook and it does me in there is no rules for indomitus pattern. I hope that gets remedied in the next list book.
Yes, Horus heresy will probably fall in popularity after it’s released with the general players, simply because most 40k players would want the vehicles and not the marines and the creative element of hh is much more restricted than 40k
@@vitaliyred622 I mean, you can’t really make your own, that was what I was referring to, I love the theming of the legions, the dark angels look great with all their options but apart from the legion themes, you can’t really stray apart and make your own legion which a number of people like to do, the hh is full of great customisation options
Macca, how do you feel about mixing different Mark armor bits? As far as I know the different armor Marks pieces are compatible to some extent. I like the idea to do it in order to represent a battered legion but I’m not 100% sure if this is a thing
My understanding is that mixing armor types like that is a very Heresy appropriate thing to do. The Mechanicum of pre-Heresy has all their production facilities wired up to a giant computing cloud. So, when for example Mk. VI "goes into full production", that means it could start being produced anywhere. So, all armor types up to VI are available. When the Heresy really kicks off, and the traitor legions begin the first hostile actions of the civil war, the Imperium's interconnectedness breaks down very quickly. Links in supply lines fracture, logistical issues abound, and the once smooth and fully interconnected Imperium, splinters into contested war zones and pieces. Legions start to have to do more for themselves to stay effective. Anyone and everyone unable to efficiently resupply, after actions, is going to battlefield scavenge and bring out older gear to stay as combat ready as they can. (Small example: I've got some legion specific Mk. III shoulders, with emblem, I plan to squash onto some of the new Mk. VI armor when I get my hands on the new box set. The plan is to make a support squad with them. Why do that? Because producing newer shoulders with the markings is more niche, not as easy, so they are just adding their older Mk III bit to their kit. Most importantly though, I'm doing that because I think it will look great, and help visually separate that unit.)
I have been watching this channel for a couple of years now and was always interested in HH but never got around to getting started. I think that’s going to change now. Now the true question becomes Sons of Horus or White Scars.
I wanna say thank you for this video, I’m from 40K but planning to move into hh. This has been really helpful, I’m planning to do death guard, while I like the looks of mkVl armour I feel they don’t suit death guard. Can I swap the helmet with mkV head because I noticed the chest and shoulder pads are very similar to mkV amours. Would the hh community overall approve
I don’t know if the community at large would be okay with it, but the people I’m familiar with would be 100% fine with it, so I imagine they’d be fine. All armours from MKII-MKVI use interchangeable parts- newer models were designed to be “backwards compatible”, allowing the Marine to affect battlefield repairs by replacing a damaged part with a part from a fallen ally or foe. So if someone in MKVI armour gets a very damaged pauldron, essentially they can pick one up off of an opponent’s body, even if it’s a MKIV armour suit, and affix it to their own. That’s what I always thought, anyway, so if I’m wrong, please- anyone who knows for sure- let me know. One thing I hate more than being wrong is being wrong and no one tells me. I hope that helps, and welcome to the best of the Warhammer backgrounds- enjoy 30K!
Absolutely. A mix of armour marks makes your models more interesting and adds some back story to them. If you look at Forgeworld's own artwork for the Heresy era marines, you'll see depictions of them with mixed armour (even moreso if you choose to make a Blackshields army. Blackshields are marines who for their own reasons have turned their backs on their former legion and obscured their colours and heraldry to form into renegade forces. Cut off from their legions' supplies, they have to mix and match armour from whatever they find or take from their foes. They also have stripped down or modified armour and weapons of a type referred to as "Pariah", where it affords them freer movement and in game gives them particular rules. They are also armed with a choice of strange and interesting weapons as well as regular wargear. Blackshields are one to choose where you'd like to have your own mysterious army, and invent your own story and colour scheme and badge). I wouldn't seek the approval of others though - you're paying for your models and it's you that's going to enjoy them; you're not doing it for someone else. That said, I'd stick within the style of the game's setting so that things make sense.
According to the Forge World books, combining parts from the older armor types (Mk II and III) with the newer ones (Mk IV and VI) is difficult and rare. There's a color plate in book 6 saying something along the lines of, "Only the Iron Hands could pull this off." But they're talking about torsos and arms and legs and packpacks. Helmets should be simpler, and we've been using FW's head upgrade kits (there's one per legion) on whatever armor we happened to be using. Also, how Mk V fits into this is unclear. Personally, I'd be fine mixing Mk V parts into any armor type.
@@CarlosSempereChen it figures- I only have Books I, II, III, and V. Waiting on a Vol.VIII that I ordered before it went off the site, but they promised me I’d still get it, though it would probably take 90days (!). I don’t understand why it should take LONGER if they’re supposedly selling off old stock, but WTF do I know. I’m sure if I read it, I would have remembered, so if it says that in Vol.VI, that explains that! Thanks for the info-
I get that people don’t know everything about Heresy, whether they’ve been into it for years or are brand new to it. But one thing I don’t get- specifically, a lot of 40K players asking if they can use Primaris in their 30K Legion. I understand that as a 40K player, it’s possible that you don’t know the 30K lore. But don’t you know your own 40K lore? You should already know that you can’t use them for 30K, as they didn’t appear until late in 40K- and it was probably the most major plot point about 40K for years and years. I don’t know- it seems to me that they really DO know that they can’t, but are looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear. What I love about the Heresy- it’s a lot of work, but it’s so enjoyable and rewarding to create something very detailed and very unique. Just porting over an already finished army and removing all of that creative process seems boring and lazy to me. Just my 3 cents.
I totally agree with you. But: I have some (modified) Primaris marines in my 30k maries. My DG bike-commandsquad is made of primaris outriders with Headswaps. I used the primaris chaplain for my Fabius Bile conversion for my EC. I didnt play 40k since 7th edition, and i know full well that Primaris dont belong to 30k. But sometime you can make it work.
@@Darthvirus1992 You’re right- it’s not that they can never be “parted out” for bits that are usable, but I meant that you can’t just take a regular Intercessor and call it a tactical Marine, with no conversions, etc. And, people can do whatever they want to- you could play with different-colored Froot Loops, but you might have trouble finding someone to play against. 😆 PS- I’d be curious to see how you converted some of your models- that’s not a small amount of work.
I feel like the nuance in the upgrades from mkii-iii-iv could’ve been touched on in a better way; the mkiv was a little faster than mkiii, not sure about ii as iii is heavier mkii and scars in mkii seem to do well, but it is definitely smoother and quieter. Protection wise I’ve never seen a difference arise in the books. So mkii is a bit outdated but its not a huge shot in the foot and is still a well used and respected mark of armour up to and after the siege
I'm wanting to start a Death Guard army for 30k, but I was hoping to bring in some 3rd party bits from Tortuga Bay - is the M3 Сuirass Armour armor lore-friendly? (the big belly armour that Plague Marines have, just without all the cancerous rot)
Yes, pretty much all the TB stuff is acceptable from a lore stand point. There's certian things that didnt exist in 30K but there is a ton of room for unique ornamentation since the companies within the legions had a large degree of latitude and independence.
Do the different armour types make a difference in game? Like, does mk3 armour give tactical marines a better saving roll over mk2? Or is it just visual flavour for each person to choose what they like to see?
Definitely considering picking this up again. I'm at uni in Nottingham now so no better place in the world to be for it. I'd love to see some rules variation for each power armour mark. Been out of 40k doing scale modelling for a few years so my modeling skills have really developed since last I built 30k/40k stuff so I'll start over entirely. Not sure which legion I'll go with, definitely traitorous though. Death to the false emperor! Not world eaters; I did those when calth came out and ended up with them being chaos space marines because no one around me played heresy. The melee focus just limits a thematic army too much and it seems melee oriented units very sidelined a bit sometimes. Thousand Sons look great, good lore, I have the kit to paint them properly in airbrushed metallic dark red, plus in 40k I've always been a Tzeentch fan. They're a strong contender. The other option I like would be the Word Bearers. Lots of conversion access kit bashing opportunities, which is what I'm looking for really. Alpha Legion, wow. I love the colours and their lore is interesting. Definite option. Death guard are a no, iron warriors probably not, dark angels (we all know they're traitors!) also a no, sons of horus ehhhh maybe, and emperor's children are a no.
hopefully when they get to mechanicum we can finally get a generic HQ unit. we used to have one but they vanished during the great SKU exterminated a few years back. plastic thanatars, thallax, and all automated could be cool.
The crux terminatus is mostly a myth in 40k, and the crux was used in modified forms in 30k to mark veterans in the legions. Not the most common, but it's fine to use in heresy as shown in the ultramarine legion veteran markings
Can't wait to start a World Eaters army. Just wondering about paint scheme. I know they are white and blue but I have seen white and red. Whats the difference?
So Im interested in starting iron hands and I am thinking about getting a mix of tortuga bay bodies and adding IH helmets on them. Then getting various MKII-V arms, shoulders and backpacks to add them to show a somewhat cobbled together force but keep a mainly MKIII look Any opinions/suggestions on this? Any expeience with the company?
Maybe go for some MK2/3 shoulder pads as well to sell that MK5 look, maybe even use MK3/4 backpacks if you can source them too. Modifying the new MK6 marines to make them MK5 like you suggested is probably the most interesting idea of getting the most out of the new models I’ve seen for those who don’t want to do straight up MK6 marines.
great Primer!! Thank you for posting this. I watched this after I was listening to the audio version of "Galaxy in flames." While there are some stand out exceptions the first four books of the Horus Heresy series are the best. Waiting with baited breath for the last two novels of the Siege of Terra!
Hey mate, I have a friend who wants to use his stock pile of 40k marines for heresy, as in mk7. Can you please add to this video explaining why people shouldn't do that
The chaplain part was kinda wrong. They all wear black armor as a sign of their office. It was a custom from the Imperial Heralds/Word Bearers. 1 man was sen to a new planet to demand their subserviance. Thats were it came from...have to look up were i read it...
They're plastic, so they'd be on GW's website. FW's arms are meant to be used with the GW kit. Their FW transport is actually quite good in-game. However, they don't have a full army list; they're meant to be combined with Custodes. By themselves, they don't have counters to everything. (This may change, now that the rules are getting revamped.) And FW never produced minis for at least one of the units they have in the rules, the one with hounds. You're expected to convert plastic Sisters into all the other unit types.
@@Hurtone Talons of the Emperor (Custodes + Sisters) are a single army list meant to be used together. Hopefully they add Sisters of Silence units so that an all-Sisters list can be well-rounded, but that will probably take a while. And I’m confident that they’ll balance the Custodes reasonably well. They actually got mostly fixed under the outgoing rules, after being absolutely nuts upon initial release. Yes, you can run an Astartes army with an Allied detachment of Sisters of Silence. Probably the best way to start.
They are definitely not purity seals. A lot of times they weren't even written down, but a pledge before others and for a very specific reason or to accomplish a certain deed during battle. There aren't any images of the practice involving the paper being bound to a marine's armor, but IIRC in some of the Horus Heresy novels it's described as small parchment rolled up and pinned/sealed to the armor, usually the shoulder pad.
They can hang down, especially if theyre Word Bearer oaths, an easy conversion is to shave the seal off and put a tiny stud on the top of the parchment to represent the pin/nail.
Try watching some battle reports from The 30K Channel, Sector Wargaming, GarageHammer Tactics and others. The rules will be a bit different coming up, but that should give you a vibe of what it’s like and how the armies are supposed to be used (not to mention painted- these channels ALWAYS have really detailed and beautiful armies).
@@totallylegit4092 Oh,no worries! I actually don’t play ANY of the games, but enjoy the painting and reading aspects. ALL games are above my understanding! So don’t feel bad- I have always felt intimidated by rules to games, so it’s just something that doesn’t add to my enjoyment of the setting. Have a great weekend!
Stirring the pot: could you have primaris "Alpha Legion in Maximus armor"? Because they were noted to be larger than normal Marines to match the size of their smaller Primarchs?
@@CarlosSempereChen I realize I'm a 40k player, and don't know most of the HH armors that well, but what would/could you do to make Primaris look like Mk.4 armored Marines? Shave the extra thigh, vambrace, and upper knee plates? Shave the Aquila, and gorget off. And would the lower leg armor just be too big all 'round?
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 It's a lot of effort and I haven't personally seen anyone take the "Alpha Legionnaires are larger" thing seriously. If you want bigger Mk IV, I'd buy Tortuga Bay's "M4 Armour (True Scale)". They're in Ukraine and would probably appreciate the business. That said, Primaris proportions are probably fine. You don't even have to remove the aquilas; the Alpha Legion kept saying, "For the Emperor," and from the novels it may not have been entirely ironic. The stories are hard to make sense of, but some remained secretly loyal, others thought that their betrayal would further the Emperor's interests (they weren't *exactly* aligned with Horus), while others were more conventionally traitorous. The Alpha Legion mysteriously had access to large amounts of Mk 6 armor very early in the Heresy. Given that the more upright poses are practically as tall as Primaris marines, I'd strongly consider just getting the new box. It's got to be cheaper. In the lore, Mk 4 and Mk 6 components were relatively compatible (mixing them with Mk 2/3 would be iffy) so you could use, say, the Forge World Mk 4 Alpha Legion-specific heads on Mk 6.
@@CarlosSempereChen like I said the basic idea was to see who I could piss off with half reason of using Primaris in HH. But you have given some idea on how to do it more legitly. Though from understanding Khan was the first to say "For the Emperor", and that was on in ran back to Terra. I don't know when that was in the timeline. Also wasn't the Aquila not really used until after the Scouring? I really don't know the HH, so sorry if I've got a lot of bad info here. And, to me, the Alpha Legion getting/liking Mk.6 armor makes sense for the same reason the Raven Guard liked it. They're both sneaky legions, that'd like extra sensors and what-not.
Quick question anyone can answer for me, why are there little to no two handed chainswords (eviscerator) in the Horus Heresy and where they called eviscerator at the time?
Since the announcement of the new box set and essentially Heresy 2.0, a good chunk of my 40k buddies are going 30k - Hope to join them with Imperial Fists...
Death/Warrior cult. Its a type of foreshadowing for the aesthetic that evolves into 40k but in Soldier/Warrior discourse the skull often comes up as a symbol. Look at the world in M2. Add legion homeworld specific idiodyncrasies it is easily explained. Remember these legions have been fighting long before the Primarchs where found, even during the late Unification before the formation of the Imperium. War and death is ever present.
@@paolomardesic7539 It does but it also represents that, as a human, death is your only true worth. To die for the Emperor, the Imperium, for mankind, is the best thing someone can do. The skull means that even in death humanity will endure.
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I have space wolf squad with my 30k legion army as a body guard, or hit squad for my primarch. Even in my 40k ultra marine army I have a similar squad to body guard hit squad Guillamin. What's you your take on this @ the outer circle?
Hi, Do you have discord server? There is more people like you.
Love your shit mate, crack on!
@@david__w7964 jamesy and gill went up the hill for cracking good shit. They use the warp in this universe, sounds like you on the rocket fuel bro and still warped ⛽
A mate asked me what the difference between 30K and 40K was. I explained that 30K was the "Napoleonic" tabletop version of the 40K scifi universe, including the obsessive attention to details like uniforms. Seems to fit.
To be honest I'm really interested in entering this. I collect 40k (build and paint armies, never played a game yet) I like the historical feel heresy has, yet has a sci fi spin to it. Thanks for doing a show like this to help out those of us with no real knowledge on the subject.
Brah... get them minis on the table and some dice in ya hands. Trust me, even if just once it's worth it. Your forces yearn for war and denying them would be cruel.
I'm new to HH, but I am so damn excited to start my Dark Angels army!
tbh a bit purity seal just make it an oath of moment thats waxed to the armor use MK III IV V use Good Decals no Crux and im good with you
What do you mean by good decals???
@@LongWarEnjoyer heresy era markings FW or self print fitting to the time
I used purity seals as oaths of moment on my Alpha Legionnaires. Just don’t overdo it and you should be fine.
@@davetycho8330 I've played Templars for almost 20 years and I love using their Crusader Seals for my Imperial Fists, the Templar Cross is perfect. With new Heresy looming I have wanted to do Alpha Legion though.
Just to elaborate on the Chaplain aspect, with the Crozius Arcanum and Skull Helm
The Blood Angels Wardens (their Chaplain substitute around the Red Thirst) did wear black armour and have a skull faced helm. Unsure why or if it was specifically mentioned as I've not read where I've had it referenced from.
Their Crozius wasn't limited to a power maul however, and could be anything else.
If I remember correctly, my brother has read and referenced Fear To Tread about these things
Yeah Wardens are in Fear to Tread and Visions of Heresy.
Any specific examples of the other forms their crozius’ could take?
@@Rawmel literally any general melee weapon that would be used amongst the legions, so swords, axes, maces like the 40k version etc.
This is THE channel for HH! Thanks a lot for all you do. I´ve only started but I got stuck for you channel instantly, good points, solid arguments, looks after the lore etc...great work all in all.
The absence of cashmaris makes 30k a happy place for me.
I've got a bit of a soft spot for MK3 power armour.
Especially for devastator squads and sternguard veteran squads in 40k.
And Horus heresy era kill teams.
It is genuinely an iconic image, so understandable!
On Chaplains; I just recently read the short story “Lost Sons,” which focuses on 20 Blood Angels left behind on Baal during the Heresy. Their resident chaplain sports full black armor and a skulled helm. The same story also has a very campy moment where the marines mark their armor in Death Company colors, so I’m not entirely sure I am personally sold on the story’s accuracy…
Fear to tread has raldoron paint a dead bangel's armor black. And malevolence has an entire company of soot covered angels(from surviving their ship crashing). Seems the black armor is a funeral custom from baal's moons.
In Fear to Tread, there were marines that fell to the Red Thirst. At that point in time, they weren't seeing their Primarch's death, they were just seeing images of impending doom and the Heresy unfolding. When this happened, Sanguinas personally executed his men as they could not be brought out of this stupor. Horus found out about this flaw and Sanguinas kept it hush-hush because he was worried the Emperor would sanction his legion and have them destroyed for this flaw. The chaplains had skull helms for several reasons. In 40K it represents the Emperor. In 30K, it represented the word of the Emperor and to challenge that word meant death. Chaplains in 30K had 2 purposes - morale of the men and delivering edicts to new worlds. When they delivered these edicts, they would arrive and tell the world their choice was either to become a part of the Imperium or resist and be destroyed. Many of these chaplains were killed delivering these edicts. The Word Bearers exclusively relied upon the Chaplain to greet new worlds while the Sons of Horus, Dark Angels, and Alpha Legion would send a Captain or Praetor or someone important to discuss terms. The Expeditions that relied on more crusader type hosts, they would utilize the chaplains whereas the forces that dealt more on data, information, etc. would rely on a high ranking officer to parlay.
Charmosian, one of the Emperors Childrens Chaplains wore a skullhelmet as well. He didnt wear black armour, but purple armour with black trim. So, well, skull faces were kind of a thing for chaplains!
Massacre also mentions the Word Bearers having black armoured and skull faced warriors even when they were the Imperial Heralds.
A lot of the fiction exists to explain the changes between the late Crusade era and 40k, with most of those changes occurring during the Heresy itself. By the Siege of Terra, expect a lot of things to look like 40k.
But yeah, this one's a little weird because we know the Death Company's origins are tied to later events. I guess they're telling us that the color scheme was already in use and it would get repurposed after Sanguinius's death.
Planning on doing a Raven Guard strike force only reason I can justify using all plastic beakies due to the legion having a good amount of the mk6 compared to the rest.
That's a very good idea.
Really useful video as someone who is getting into Hersey. I will be getting the box but plan on painting it up sons of Horus & word bearers so I’ll be adding lots of mark iii & iv ( hopefully all the weapon upgrades aren’t to much of a pain to convert into the other marks. Hopefully the new books will show the various colour schemes to get lots of the right time settings & fluff. Super excited about getting into more of a story telling game than meta chasing with 40K. Really helpful thank you 😊
My plan is removing hands from the iv and iii which should be fairly easy and then to remove the soft armour joints on the weapons. Add in some pins and ill re sculpt the joint
@@MrConna6 I’m planning on mixing mark iii & vi with vi & making mark v hopefully out of them very heretical 🤞🏻
GW seriously missed out on massive star map to show were legions from and major battles throughout the hersy
I am hoping that, with time, new players fall in love with the HH and began to transition from Mark VI to older and more common marks of armour. GW could spur that movement by releasing mark II plastic tactical and assault squads.
I want some new Thunder Armor sculpts honestly, but MKII would be badass as well
Thunder warriors or mk4. Don't care 4 mk2.
The problem is, it's based on 7th edition which was absolutely terrible to play.
A hybrid between 7th and 8th would of been better.
Get rid of the asinine force organisation garbage.
Keep armour values for vehicles.
Use the armour values and armour pen system in 8th edition
Seems stupid to not make changes to a badly flawed game system when your rebooting it.
@@youtubevanced4900 That would been good. Combined arms draws people in. They have gone from a toy company to a merchandise/publisher company so the game will become more a after thought.
@@youtubevanced4900 what?! eighth was shit, I don’t remember a single good thing about that system, hh is not perfect but that would not be an improvement
Hi Macca! Thanks for all of your Horus Heresy videos. You were the one to convince me to shift away from the shit-show of WH40K towards the Horus Heresy. Your 'Getting Started In The Horus Heresy' videos were awesome, and really helpful in transitioning from playing Black Templars into Imperial Fists. Keep up the good work mate, and here's to many more years of quality content!
I love this video. Its fascinating information and a great intro to the game. It's obvious you've got a lot of passion and experience with 30k. I need to see if I can do a "combat patrol" style force. I'm really invested in 40k but I don't wanna be left out of the experience.
Saw your vid in my suggested list, clicked on your "About" page, read it, and must say I was BEYOND PLEASANTLY SURPRISED with your channel's credo sir! Awesome video and look forward to getting into Horus Heresy again with my VIIth legion when the new rules drop!
Hi Mac,
I've been a long-time watcher of yours, sitting on the sidelines but still quite liking the Getting Started in 30K series. I've found a lot to love in the general artistic style, lore and appearance of the game relative to 40k, and as 9e has become more balanced and HH2.0 is on the horizon, I'm starting to take the leap into it now. I'm really pleased that you're doing these videos, because it brings across your love of the hobby in a really infectious way, and it makes me quite excited to give it a go. I've been theorycrafting lists in Battlescribe for the last few weeks and it's been great fun learning about different Legions, but also about cool-looking factions like Solar Aux. As things currently stand, I'm excited to maybe look at Sons of Horus or World Eaters.
Lots of love here from NZ. Hopefully this will mean we end up with a Heresy community that I can find my way into. I'll be looking forward to further videos like this, and I bet they'll be incredibly useful for anyone trying to get into the hobby, too.
Just a really nice video. I'm mostly a 40k player, but I learned quite a bit and gained some appreciation for the sister game system.
They don’t have mass plastic kits for assault marines if that’s what you want to play.
Oh they sell bolter jocks in boxes of 20 with the special and heavy weapons separately, but you’ll have a hard time sourcing bolt pistol and chain sword arms in the correct armor pattern as well as period accurate jump packs in mass.
lots of great info. Always look forward to your Heresy videos.
Top into! Very informative and reminded me about a few things I'd forgotten or weren't sure about the legions.
🤘🚀🤘
Great intro video, thanks :) liked the summary of where the legions were fighting and the 30k v 40k bit
Sweet vid dude :)
Re: Terminators.
I was just reading about terminators in the red rulebook and it does me in there is no rules for indomitus pattern. I hope that gets remedied in the next list book.
Indomitus pattern was completely removed in HH 2.0.
Yeah, you'll have to remodel it a bit to be perior accurate, but it's not too hard to make it look like Cataphractii or Tartaros in a pinch
@@Adventurerblitz boooooooooooooo
Thanks this one was really good Maca. Number 1 HH channel on RUclips definitely!
Temporary rise followed by gradual decline. Most people are excited for new shiny things they can use for 40k, not Heresy.
Yes, Horus heresy will probably fall in popularity after it’s released with the general players, simply because most 40k players would want the vehicles and not the marines and the creative element of hh is much more restricted than 40k
@@sebastianyoung no they are not restricted. Legions have more flavor than most 40k chapter that said…they haven’t redesigned it…
Cant wait to hoover up all the abandoned 30K sets for cheap when the new shiney drops for 40K
@@vitaliyred622 I mean, you can’t really make your own, that was what I was referring to, I love the theming of the legions, the dark angels look great with all their options but apart from the legion themes, you can’t really stray apart and make your own legion which a number of people like to do, the hh is full of great customisation options
Macca, how do you feel about mixing different Mark armor bits? As far as I know the different armor Marks pieces are compatible to some extent. I like the idea to do it in order to represent a battered legion but I’m not 100% sure if this is a thing
I'm pretty sure that's the definition of Mark V "heresy" armour, so I'm around 95% sure it's OK.
^Slap some green stuff bonding studs in a few places and you'll have some pretty sweet Heresy Pattern armor sets!
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper honestly the Mark V is quite confusing. By the definition you are right, but it still has a distinctive look to it
My understanding is that mixing armor types like that is a very Heresy appropriate thing to do. The Mechanicum of pre-Heresy has all their production facilities wired up to a giant computing cloud. So, when for example Mk. VI "goes into full production", that means it could start being produced anywhere. So, all armor types up to VI are available. When the Heresy really kicks off, and the traitor legions begin the first hostile actions of the civil war, the Imperium's interconnectedness breaks down very quickly. Links in supply lines fracture, logistical issues abound, and the once smooth and fully interconnected Imperium, splinters into contested war zones and pieces. Legions start to have to do more for themselves to stay effective. Anyone and everyone unable to efficiently resupply, after actions, is going to battlefield scavenge and bring out older gear to stay as combat ready as they can. (Small example: I've got some legion specific Mk. III shoulders, with emblem, I plan to squash onto some of the new Mk. VI armor when I get my hands on the new box set. The plan is to make a support squad with them. Why do that? Because producing newer shoulders with the markings is more niche, not as easy, so they are just adding their older Mk III bit to their kit. Most importantly though, I'm doing that because I think it will look great, and help visually separate that unit.)
@@box2battle this is exactly how I see it. Personally I’m not fond of large units equiped with the same armor pattern
Gonna do word bearers
Best thing about heresy is the fact you can 3d print pretty much the entire range at this point.
I have been watching this channel for a couple of years now and was always interested in HH but never got around to getting started. I think that’s going to change now. Now the true question becomes Sons of Horus or White Scars.
01:44 Corswain and the Dark Angels would like a word!
I wanna say thank you for this video, I’m from 40K but planning to move into hh.
This has been really helpful, I’m planning to do death guard, while I like the looks of mkVl armour I feel they don’t suit death guard.
Can I swap the helmet with mkV head because I noticed the chest and shoulder pads are very similar to mkV amours. Would the hh community overall approve
I don’t know if the community at large would be okay with it, but the people I’m familiar with would be 100% fine with it, so I imagine they’d be fine. All armours from MKII-MKVI use interchangeable parts- newer models were designed to be “backwards compatible”, allowing the Marine to affect battlefield repairs by replacing a damaged part with a part from a fallen ally or foe. So if someone in MKVI armour gets a very damaged pauldron, essentially they can pick one up off of an opponent’s body, even if it’s a MKIV armour suit, and affix it to their own. That’s what I always thought, anyway, so if I’m wrong, please- anyone who knows for sure- let me know. One thing I hate more than being wrong is being wrong and no one tells me. I hope that helps, and welcome to the best of the Warhammer backgrounds- enjoy 30K!
Absolutely. A mix of armour marks makes your models more interesting and adds some back story to them. If you look at Forgeworld's own artwork for the Heresy era marines, you'll see depictions of them with mixed armour (even moreso if you choose to make a Blackshields army. Blackshields are marines who for their own reasons have turned their backs on their former legion and obscured their colours and heraldry to form into renegade forces. Cut off from their legions' supplies, they have to mix and match armour from whatever they find or take from their foes. They also have stripped down or modified armour and weapons of a type referred to as "Pariah", where it affords them freer movement and in game gives them particular rules. They are also armed with a choice of strange and interesting weapons as well as regular wargear. Blackshields are one to choose where you'd like to have your own mysterious army, and invent your own story and colour scheme and badge).
I wouldn't seek the approval of others though - you're paying for your models and it's you that's going to enjoy them; you're not doing it for someone else. That said, I'd stick within the style of the game's setting so that things make sense.
According to the Forge World books, combining parts from the older armor types (Mk II and III) with the newer ones (Mk IV and VI) is difficult and rare. There's a color plate in book 6 saying something along the lines of, "Only the Iron Hands could pull this off." But they're talking about torsos and arms and legs and packpacks. Helmets should be simpler, and we've been using FW's head upgrade kits (there's one per legion) on whatever armor we happened to be using. Also, how Mk V fits into this is unclear. Personally, I'd be fine mixing Mk V parts into any armor type.
@@CarlosSempereChen it figures- I only have Books I, II, III, and V. Waiting on a Vol.VIII that I ordered before it went off the site, but they promised me I’d still get it, though it would probably take 90days (!). I don’t understand why it should take LONGER if they’re supposedly selling off old stock, but WTF do I know. I’m sure if I read it, I would have remembered, so if it says that in Vol.VI, that explains that! Thanks for the info-
Didn't Chaplain Charmosian have a skull helm and black armor in Galaxy in Flames? The guy Lucius killed on Istvaan before turning traitor iirc.
What a fantastic starter guide. Well done!
I get that people don’t know everything about Heresy, whether they’ve been into it for years or are brand new to it. But one thing I don’t get- specifically, a lot of 40K players asking if they can use Primaris in their 30K Legion. I understand that as a 40K player, it’s possible that you don’t know the 30K lore. But don’t you know your own 40K lore? You should already know that you can’t use them for 30K, as they didn’t appear until late in 40K- and it was probably the most major plot point about 40K for years and years. I don’t know- it seems to me that they really DO know that they can’t, but are looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear. What I love about the Heresy- it’s a lot of work, but it’s so enjoyable and rewarding to create something very detailed and very unique. Just porting over an already finished army and removing all of that creative process seems boring and lazy to me. Just my 3 cents.
I totally agree with you. But: I have some (modified) Primaris marines in my 30k maries. My DG bike-commandsquad is made of primaris outriders with Headswaps. I used the primaris chaplain for my Fabius Bile conversion for my EC.
I didnt play 40k since 7th edition, and i know full well that Primaris dont belong to 30k. But sometime you can make it work.
@@Darthvirus1992 You’re right- it’s not that they can never be “parted out” for bits that are usable, but I meant that you can’t just take a regular Intercessor and call it a tactical Marine, with no conversions, etc. And, people can do whatever they want to- you could play with different-colored Froot Loops, but you might have trouble finding someone to play against. 😆
PS- I’d be curious to see how you converted some of your models- that’s not a small amount of work.
Great video!
I want to see what the market looks like before getting into 30/40K again. Yet something about 30K keeps calling me.
Excellent summation sir!
i though that MK2 was the superior pattern, it was just incredibly hard to maintain due to the amount of moving parts
I am starting a Night Lords army with a mix of MK VI and MKIII. Might be able to mix n match to make some MK V too.
Great video Macca
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Love learning about power armor!
I feel like the nuance in the upgrades from mkii-iii-iv could’ve been touched on in a better way; the mkiv was a little faster than mkiii, not sure about ii as iii is heavier mkii and scars in mkii seem to do well, but it is definitely smoother and quieter. Protection wise I’ve never seen a difference arise in the books. So mkii is a bit outdated but its not a huge shot in the foot and is still a well used and respected mark of armour up to and after the siege
19:00 I can't help but think of how disappointing Night Lords are when it comes to terminators.
Do you mean their legion specific terminator rules or models?
@@jtrain9926 Both.
I'm wanting to start a Death Guard army for 30k, but I was hoping to bring in some 3rd party bits from Tortuga Bay - is the M3 Сuirass Armour armor lore-friendly? (the big belly armour that Plague Marines have, just without all the cancerous rot)
Yes, pretty much all the TB stuff is acceptable from a lore stand point. There's certian things that didnt exist in 30K but there is a ton of room for unique ornamentation since the companies within the legions had a large degree of latitude and independence.
Do the different armour types make a difference in game? Like, does mk3 armour give tactical marines a better saving roll over mk2? Or is it just visual flavour for each person to choose what they like to see?
No difference, just a visual preference!
Very helpful!
Thank you for this!
Really good video. Vehicles up next then?
Definitely considering picking this up again. I'm at uni in Nottingham now so no better place in the world to be for it. I'd love to see some rules variation for each power armour mark.
Been out of 40k doing scale modelling for a few years so my modeling skills have really developed since last I built 30k/40k stuff so I'll start over entirely.
Not sure which legion I'll go with, definitely traitorous though. Death to the false emperor! Not world eaters; I did those when calth came out and ended up with them being chaos space marines because no one around me played heresy. The melee focus just limits a thematic army too much and it seems melee oriented units very sidelined a bit sometimes. Thousand Sons look great, good lore, I have the kit to paint them properly in airbrushed metallic dark red, plus in 40k I've always been a Tzeentch fan. They're a strong contender. The other option I like would be the Word Bearers. Lots of conversion access kit bashing opportunities, which is what I'm looking for really. Alpha Legion, wow. I love the colours and their lore is interesting. Definite option.
Death guard are a no, iron warriors probably not, dark angels (we all know they're traitors!) also a no, sons of horus ehhhh maybe, and emperor's children are a no.
great video, thank you
"Pawr ah'mah"
Racist.
Or something...
Do you reckon badab will ever get a 2.0 type thing like heresy is getting
Probably not, since there are no primaris marines GW can't force it down people's throats.
heresy curious? Bro im heresy furious
Is it just me, or is the video stuck on the opening card?
NOTE: nevermind it was my app.
hopefully when they get to mechanicum we can finally get a generic HQ unit. we used to have one but they vanished during the great SKU exterminated a few years back. plastic thanatars, thallax, and all automated could be cool.
This was one of your best videos. I look forward to more on 2.0. I'm not completely sold on it yet. I've been burned by GW in 40k too many times.
The crux terminatus is mostly a myth in 40k, and the crux was used in modified forms in 30k to mark veterans in the legions. Not the most common, but it's fine to use in heresy as shown in the ultramarine legion veteran markings
I miss the 90s style skulls
I find it funny that my 40k Blood Angels look like 30k ... because that's how they were shown when I started collecting them in 2nd edition.
Can't wait to start a World Eaters army. Just wondering about paint scheme. I know they are white and blue but I have seen white and red. Whats the difference?
So Im interested in starting iron hands and I am thinking about getting a mix of tortuga bay bodies and adding IH helmets on them. Then getting various MKII-V arms, shoulders and backpacks to add them to show a somewhat cobbled together force but keep a mainly MKIII look
Any opinions/suggestions on this? Any expeience with the company?
Thinking of iron warriors, would replacing the mkVI heads with some mkIII or mkIV be accepted?
That could work. Would then be classed as Mk V which is perfectly usable
@@dominionwargaming8638 this but maybe try and make sure there’s plenty of studs on them where you can, green stuff some on if you have to.
Yes, MK V is a catch all for salvaged and mixed armor patterns, as above, if you can include or add studded pieces it really helps sell the MK V look
Maybe go for some MK2/3 shoulder pads as well to sell that MK5 look, maybe even use MK3/4 backpacks if you can source them too. Modifying the new MK6 marines to make them MK5 like you suggested is probably the most interesting idea of getting the most out of the new models I’ve seen for those who don’t want to do straight up MK6 marines.
@@davetycho8330 this but don’t have every marine look the same, through in some variety, mix of helmets/shoulder pads
So I should not put bolsters on my mk3 marines if they are space wolves?
great Primer!! Thank you for posting this. I watched this after I was listening to the audio version of "Galaxy in flames." While there are some stand out exceptions the first four books of the Horus Heresy series are the best. Waiting with baited breath for the last two novels of the Siege of Terra!
Oaths of Moment are just sticky notes.
Good topic.
Was there a video about the recent Horus Heresy leaks? It looks to be deleted?
So good.
(that's _it)_
Hey mate, I have a friend who wants to use his stock pile of 40k marines for heresy, as in mk7. Can you please add to this video explaining why people shouldn't do that
Wonderful explanationwaitaminuteyour'rejustbeingsaltymaccahurrduurr
The chaplain part was kinda wrong. They all wear black armor as a sign of their office. It was a custom from the Imperial Heralds/Word Bearers. 1 man was sen to a new planet to demand their subserviance. Thats were it came from...have to look up were i read it...
The black armor stuff is for 40k, not 30k
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Can someone tell me this: can I play Sisters of Silence? If yes, where do I get the models, there are none on the FW homepage, just some arms.
They're plastic, so they'd be on GW's website. FW's arms are meant to be used with the GW kit.
Their FW transport is actually quite good in-game. However, they don't have a full army list; they're meant to be combined with Custodes. By themselves, they don't have counters to everything. (This may change, now that the rules are getting revamped.) And FW never produced minis for at least one of the units they have in the rules, the one with hounds. You're expected to convert plastic Sisters into all the other unit types.
@@CarlosSempereChen thank you! So I would need to play Sisters plus Custodes, or could I play Sisters plus astartes as well in a non-cheesy army?
@@Hurtone Talons of the Emperor (Custodes + Sisters) are a single army list meant to be used together. Hopefully they add Sisters of Silence units so that an all-Sisters list can be well-rounded, but that will probably take a while. And I’m confident that they’ll balance the Custodes reasonably well. They actually got mostly fixed under the outgoing rules, after being absolutely nuts upon initial release.
Yes, you can run an Astartes army with an Allied detachment of Sisters of Silence. Probably the best way to start.
@@CarlosSempereChen thank you
Thinking of doing alpha legion with the new lads that are chipping paint off a bit to look like they were repainted n stuff
I really don't want to talk about the Emperors Children's preferences.
14:25 Glorious! 18:08 "-I will COMe" *plays Cyberpunk music*
Pretty cool video, well done.
Lol. Thank the Emperor there are no primaris in 30k.
*Yet
Still besmirching Sergeant Heklan's good name by calling him a Deliverer
So a outh of the moment is basically a purity seal on the mini in terms of look? So if I have "purity seal" on a model or do they look different?
They are definitely not purity seals. A lot of times they weren't even written down, but a pledge before others and for a very specific reason or to accomplish a certain deed during battle. There aren't any images of the practice involving the paper being bound to a marine's armor, but IIRC in some of the Horus Heresy novels it's described as small parchment rolled up and pinned/sealed to the armor, usually the shoulder pad.
They can hang down, especially if theyre Word Bearer oaths, an easy conversion is to shave the seal off and put a tiny stud on the top of the parchment to represent the pin/nail.
I just want to know what a game of HH is like…
Try watching some battle reports from The 30K Channel, Sector Wargaming, GarageHammer Tactics and others. The rules will be a bit different coming up, but that should give you a vibe of what it’s like and how the armies are supposed to be used (not to mention painted- these channels ALWAYS have really detailed and beautiful armies).
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 i tried but being new to 40k makes this seem even more greek to me. Lol…and I can admit I am not the smartest person here.
@@totallylegit4092 Oh,no worries! I actually don’t play ANY of the games, but enjoy the painting and reading aspects. ALL games are above my understanding! So don’t feel bad- I have always felt intimidated by rules to games, so it’s just something that doesn’t add to my enjoyment of the setting. Have a great weekend!
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 THANKS mate and you too. I am super hyped cos on Monday my new Knights arrive :D
@@totallylegit4092 Oh, right on- Thanks, and enjoy your Knights!
Stirring the pot: could you have primaris "Alpha Legion in Maximus armor"? Because they were noted to be larger than normal Marines to match the size of their smaller Primarchs?
They'd be wearing the same armor types as everyone else, just made a little larger.
@@CarlosSempereChen I realize I'm a 40k player, and don't know most of the HH armors that well, but what would/could you do to make Primaris look like Mk.4 armored Marines?
Shave the extra thigh, vambrace, and upper knee plates? Shave the Aquila, and gorget off. And would the lower leg armor just be too big all 'round?
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 It's a lot of effort and I haven't personally seen anyone take the "Alpha Legionnaires are larger" thing seriously. If you want bigger Mk IV, I'd buy Tortuga Bay's "M4 Armour (True Scale)". They're in Ukraine and would probably appreciate the business. That said, Primaris proportions are probably fine. You don't even have to remove the aquilas; the Alpha Legion kept saying, "For the Emperor," and from the novels it may not have been entirely ironic. The stories are hard to make sense of, but some remained secretly loyal, others thought that their betrayal would further the Emperor's interests (they weren't *exactly* aligned with Horus), while others were more conventionally traitorous.
The Alpha Legion mysteriously had access to large amounts of Mk 6 armor very early in the Heresy. Given that the more upright poses are practically as tall as Primaris marines, I'd strongly consider just getting the new box. It's got to be cheaper. In the lore, Mk 4 and Mk 6 components were relatively compatible (mixing them with Mk 2/3 would be iffy) so you could use, say, the Forge World Mk 4 Alpha Legion-specific heads on Mk 6.
@@CarlosSempereChen like I said the basic idea was to see who I could piss off with half reason of using Primaris in HH. But you have given some idea on how to do it more legitly.
Though from understanding Khan was the first to say "For the Emperor", and that was on in ran back to Terra. I don't know when that was in the timeline. Also wasn't the Aquila not really used until after the Scouring?
I really don't know the HH, so sorry if I've got a lot of bad info here.
And, to me, the Alpha Legion getting/liking Mk.6 armor makes sense for the same reason the Raven Guard liked it. They're both sneaky legions, that'd like extra sensors and what-not.
You need a better microphone Macca
Ooh discussing armor patterns that’s sure to get someone crucified for no good reason.
Horus Heresy. Or how can we sell you marines for the third time.
I'm astartes curious...
Quick question anyone can answer for me, why are there little to no two handed chainswords (eviscerator) in the Horus Heresy and where they called eviscerator at the time?
Their were! they were just called heavy chainswords, or heavy chain blades on some units :)
If you're talking about the model's it's because you can only get them in 2 expensiv resin weapons kitts, and you only get one in each.
@@ThatGuy-eu2vt that and artwork. But that is a good reason for the models, ty.
If youre really into big chainswords then Night Lords is THE chainblade legion, they have 3 types of chain weapons with unique special rules.
@@jtrain9926 not quite what I had in mind, but I like your thinking (however what is going on with their terminator Praetor chain-thing?)
Since the announcement of the new box set and essentially Heresy 2.0, a good chunk of my 40k buddies are going 30k - Hope to join them with Imperial Fists...
Heheheh nice
About the skulls why did they whare them in 30k
You mean the Night Lords? It was kind of their thing since the beginning, some other legions do it too, like the Sons of Horus Reavers
@@jtrain9926 no i mean almoust every legion had some skull on aour and heraldry
Death/Warrior cult. Its a type of foreshadowing for the aesthetic that evolves into 40k but in Soldier/Warrior discourse the skull often comes up as a symbol. Look at the world in M2.
Add legion homeworld specific idiodyncrasies it is easily explained. Remember these legions have been fighting long before the Primarchs where found, even during the late Unification before the formation of the Imperium. War and death is ever present.
I always tought the skull represented humanaty
@@paolomardesic7539 It does but it also represents that, as a human, death is your only true worth. To die for the Emperor, the Imperium, for mankind, is the best thing someone can do. The skull means that even in death humanity will endure.
Dark Angles are loyalists lol...
Wheres my tyrant seige terminators 😔
Can wait for the nerd-rage when I rock up to an event with my mostly mk7 alpha legion 🤣🤣
the horus heresy is weird, I really enjoy it as it's thing but at the same time i really dont like it as a prequel to 40k
Seems premature considering we don't know all the 2.0 rules...
Great video!