November 22, 1963 - Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit & Texas Theater arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald
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- Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit was shot in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas and shortly after the shooting Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theater. But the police was looking for a car in connection with the murder and a man was also arrested in Fort Worth. The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
J. D. Tippit blev skudt ned i Oak Cliff området af Dallas og kort efter blev Lee Harvey Oswald anholdt i Texas Theater. Men en bil blev efterlyst i forbindelse med mordet og også der blev der foretaget en anholdelse.
I was 11 years old when this happened. I always thought it was very unusual for the police to find Oswald so quickly. They didn't even know who he was, or who they were looking for. Just a few people saying they saw someone shooting from the TSBD. But even so, how did they know where he went? He took a bus, then a cab, and ended up walking to the theater and they caught him. I just think it's weird. For the record, I don't think he acted alone.
Agreed. Have you seen the info on him in the civil air patrol with david ferrie
@@janetphillips2875 Where did he get the gun to shoot Tippet after running off from allegedly shooting Kennedy?
They did find Oswald quickly. An officer talked to Oswald right after the assassination and cleared him as being a suspect with evidence that he could not be the shooter.
@@GOOCHIElicker yes
@@GOOCHIElicker yes I have. Weird.
The only problem for the 'lone nut' theorists is there is actual proof Oswald couldn't have shot Tippit at 1:15 p.m. like they say. Officer J.D. Tippit was in Methodist Hospital, being pronounced dead at exactly 1:15 p.m. His death certificate can be easily found on a search, with that as the time of death. Therefore, he probably arrived at Methodist a couple minutes before that. When the Warren Commission gave 1:15 p.m. as the time of his shooting, it was only to give LHO time to "walk" to E. Tenth/Patton from his rooming house, to fit their 'story'. It takes time for people to report the shooting, it takes time for an ambulance to come and load a body, and it takes time to go to a Hospital. Most people agree that this information indicates the shooting occurred at 1:00-1:02 p.m., which is actually when many of the witnesses say they heard the shots or the initial reports (e.g. Callaway, Guinyard, Roger Craig).
Another problem. At least two witness already have Oswald (likely dropped off by the car that was witnessed to have honked outside his rooming house) in the Texas Theatre by 1:07 p.m. One of these witnesses say that Oswald was changing seats a lot, sitting by different people. Probably just what one would do if they're supposed to meet their contact. After all, it's been shown (McCone-Rowley memo and other sources) that Oswald was a low level CIA operative.
This is all rather moot. Newly released testimony from a recently deceased TSBD employee, Mrs. GERALDINE REID [not a Mrs. Robert (Delores) Reid as some 'lone nutters' will try to say to block this bombshell] reveals she was giving Lee Harvey Oswald change for a dollar at the very moment the shots in Dealey were fired. They both heard them, not knowing then they were gunshots, and looked at each other in response. Moments later, Officer Baker sees Oswald drinking the Coke he was preparing to purchase with the change. Here we have a witness that pulverizes any chance for the government's lone-nut cover story. She was threatened for years to stay quiet. She thumbed her nose at them by allowing her story to be released, being interviewed before her passing. So all the acoustic evidence, all the doctors at Parkland et al, and all the grassy knoll witnesses not called were correct all along, as we have well known.
Mrs. Geraldine Reid was known as Mrs. Robert Reid because it was 1963 and that was the name of her husband. They're the same person. Or do you honestly believe that there was a Geraldine Reid AND a Mrs. Robert Reid who both worked at the TSBD, AND BOTH HAD THE SAME PHONE NUMBER?
nogoodbastid Mrs. Robert (Delores) Reid is not the same person at Mrs. Geraldine Reid. They are two different people. Both worked at the depository. Both are listed in the Warren Commission (again, not the same person). Mrs. GERALDINE REID is the one that gave testimony that she was giving change for a dollar to Oswald when the shots 'rang out'. Kind of hard to be getting change for your Coke and shoot a gun at the same time? Maybe they teach that in the Marines? Thanks for playing.
also we know that Tippit could not have been at the hospital being pronounced dead at 1:15. the pedestrian radioing for help and reporting Tippit's death did not even occur until 1:16. how could he have been at the hospital before the shooting was even reported? His death certificate estimates his time of death at 1:15 based on the fact that the reporting of his death over the radio occurred at 1:16. It does not indicate that this was the time his body reached the hospital or the official time he was "pronounced dead."
nogoodbastid A supplemental report issued by two DPD officers indicate they assisted in bringing Tippit into the hospital from the ambulance, and saw the efforts to save him. The doctors then pronounced him dead AT 1:15 p.m, at the time he was in front of them. It was not an 'estimate'--hospitals don't work that way; they pronounce people dead when they've tried everything and the person has not responded. If that were the case, JFK would've been pronounced at 12:33 p.m., as that was when he was shot, not after 1:00 p.m. This tells anyone that Oswald did NOT have anything to do with Tippit's shooting, and that Tippit was shot closer to 1:00 p.m., as Callaway and others have indicated with their testimony.
Phil Jansen the ambulance did not even arrive at the scene of the tippit shooting until 1:18. the death certificate does not say he was "pronounced dead at 1:15" it says that is when he died, which they know from all the witnesses at the scene. tippit was dead at the scene when the ambulance arrived at 1:18, and was of course still dead when he arrived at the hospital. he was pronounced DOA, meaning he died before he reached the hospital.
jfk's time of death was 1:00 and not 12:33 because unlike tippit, when he arrived at the hospital he was still technically alive. his heart was still beating and he was breathing. air was leaking from the hole in his throat, hence the tracheotomy that was performed to allow him a larger airway. they wouldn't perform that if he were DOA. it wasn't until the cardiotachyscope showed no pulse at 1:00 that he was pronounced dead, hence that's the time on the death certificate. tippit was killed instantly around 1:14-1:15, his body arrived at the hospital around 1:22-1:23.
holy shit , the guy arrested at the beginning looks like a good oswald double
The Agency would never use a double LOL
10 years ago this guy obviously didn't get it that it was all part of a methodically organized plan!
I agree, he sure does look like Oswald's double
He's even dressed similar to oswald, as was Billy Lovelady. Perfect set-up to confuse.
That same phrase, "oh God, now we've got to indoctrinate this guy" heard twice here is also heard on film of LHO being led through Dallas PD. Also here on YT.
That wasn't said in jest... that is VERY telling. The worst is the Howard Brennan interviewee who had clearly been indoctrinated as his testimony didn't make sense and changed from his original testimony. Major, major cover-up.
Wow, I've been following this since 1963 (I was 11) and I never heard that.
I heard twice. Odd isn't it.
who are they indoctrinating I wonder?
Must be canned audio someone laid out on this film. I noticed that too. Very bad choice to enhance the dramatization of it whoever did it.
The first time I've seen it as well. I wonder if he still lives in the area? Amazing he's never written a book.
Funny, that House guy looked almost exactly like the Oswald photos from U.S.S.R. where that Oswald was SHORTER Than Marina, his wife. So many strange twists and turns.
Another twist Marina's father was a high ranking intell officer in Russia. So if you think it was a accident that her and Oswald just hooked by chance well...
+budsaplenty
'They', questioned Marina for 7 hours.
Anyone know what happened to the tapes of interviews with Marina?
+javamann1000 Fritz requested one but did not receive it at the time of the assassination, apparently.
+javamann1000 They didn't tape interrogations at that time.
Yep. Just looks a bit shorter
so someone sneaks into a theatre he didnt pay the 10 cents to get in and hundred officers surround the block 20 officers including fbi go in after him, then he draws a revolver and it misfires, sounds like a crock of you know what.
Sounds like the regular idiot Oswald who thought about living in russia and going to cuba instead of looking for a job to feed his child, just to look like a bad ass in his sick mind. His priority in life at age 24. Another psych case
@@gfexc This didn't really surprise anyone he was stationed with in the Corps either. They said he was an officer baiter and un becoming a US Marine.
The APB was broadcast for the JFK suspect and missing TSBD employee Oswald. The shoe store clerk had heard it and noticed Oswald acting suspiciously outside his store and ducking into the theater as cop cars were screaming by. He phoned it in and Oswald's description was a good match for that given by all the witnesses who saw Oswald murder Tippit. Of course the cops came to the theater. Oswald tried to shoot the first cop to approach him and fought like a demon during his arrest. Those officers risked their lives to do their duty and capture him alive.
Actually it was more like 75 cents back then, and the cops were swarming to that area because an officer was shot dead. Oswald drew suspicion because he was ducking into doorways as police cars would drive by, and one man watched him slip into the theater without paying. In light of what all had happened that day it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
He allegedly murdered a cop, discarded his jacket (fact), hid from cops near a shoe store (allegedly), snuck into the theatre without paying (fact), then tried to commit suicide by cop (fact)..
Innocent people don’t act like that, man.. lol..
This is a question I've never heard asked. Why wasn't Oswald charged with attempted murder or assault for trying to shoot PO Mc Donald in the movie theater? It seems that should have been charge number 1.
That's a good question.
Probably would have been, given time
Yeah. I know. That was weird.
In due time he would have been charged
You don't know what he would've been charged with ultimately, he was killed within 24 hours
JD Tippit was shot "within minutes" of the shooting of President Kennedy. Damn! Oswald had to be an Olympic runner.
@Thomas McDaniel: It won't do to pettifog and then scamper off. For any chance of your silly statement being taken seriously, you'll need to provide the full name (address & phone) of who was the "Olympic runner."
The Warren Commission re-enacted Oswald's trip to the 2nd Floor -- and it was easily accomplished multiple times in less than 80 seconds (Oswald was seen by policeman Baker approx. 90 seconds after the shooting). The re-enactments also included taking the time to hide the rifle in the place where Oswald hid it (near the stairwell).
Secret Service Agent John J. Howlett performed two separate "re-creations" of Oswald's probable post-shooting movements, taking 78 seconds on his first try and 74 seconds on the second. And Howlett was not out of breath upon reaching the second-floor lunchroom at the completion of either one of the test runs, which were conducted at a regular walking pace and a "fast walk", respectively.
Conspiracists who continue to believe that Oswald's 90-second, 4-flight trip to the second floor was a virtual impossibility are simply wrong. It was easily a doable trek for Oswald, or for anybody else with two legs who wasn't in a wheelchair
45 minutes still counts as minutes.
I have better than that. Oswald went from the book depot to his room with a bus and a cab. Why going to the movie theater by foot??? The cop's car honking twice is the one who took Oswald to the theater. No witness EVER came with a testimony seeing Oswald walking to 10th street or to the movie theater. NO ONE!
So, either you ship Oswald to Cuba as planned, either you kill him between 12:30 and 14:50. You surely don't want him arrested risking him to talk and sing!!!!
Something went wrong at the theater. Yes one man entered the theater without paying his ticket hiding from the police cars with sirens. ALL THE POLICE CARS that day were running pedal on the metal with sirens because of Kennedy and Tippit.
Any bandits in Dallas that day fearing for the police could have wanted to hide in the theater and Johnny Brewer pointed at Oswald by mistake...
@@easyabc1404 3 points:
A) Oswald was seen shooting Tippit at 10th and Patton, he was not taken directly to the theater and there is no evidence anybody gave him a ride. This was a quiet suburb, it's hardly difficult for somebody to walk through it without being noticed. Heck, most people were already glued to their TV's after the assassination happened.
B) Police did not show up at the theater in force because a man didn't pay admission, as you seem to be implying. The man was a good match to the suspect just seen murdering a police officer nearby.
C) As for Brewer "pointing Oswald out by mistake," I assume you are joking.
A lady working in a photography shop across from the Texas Theatre was the daughter of the lady who owned Oswald's boarding house on North Beckley. She took some photos and it turned out her kids would play with Oswald out the front, according to their big sister Patricia.
Patricia who? MacMillan?
Isn't it odd that the Newman's seconds after they fell to the ground to protect their 2 boys were almost immediately filmed by 2 reporters?,
Sadly, the photos of the Newman's was a reenactment. The reporter asked them to get back on the ground so he could shoot a photo of how he first noticed them. They complied.
No
Just like 911 "they" were there to film the event.Az
If you were a professional photographer or reporter, chances are you attended the JFK event...
@@c2itccase9 yeah specially in that time
Wow! Now he's got a shot gun?
yes i found that odd
It was really a bazooka
Or I think a Gatling gun
😄
Only the reporter said that. Sometimes reporters make inaccurate statements. That doesn't make it fact. The police detective said it was a pistol. That is what is accurate.
The car wanted in connection with the assassination? When did we ever hear about a car wanted in connection. What page TWC report do we find that gem?
I think he got in a taxi??
@@momovaryacting8798 Less than 15 min after the JFK shooting an APB was dispatched with a description fitting a number of young men
to Dallas & Fort Worth police & that's when all these Oswald lookalikes surfaced like Donald House. It said Tippit was shot to death by an unknown man in a car.
Nash Rambler wagon driven by a Latin. It's in reports about the grassy knoll. Railroad worker reported gunsmoke, several others, including future president G. Bush, were in that area and reported a Nash wagon with high speed! Cheers
@@redbug3777 That's correct, Sheriff Deputy Rodger Craig saw the Nash Rambler & recognized Oswald in Captain Fritz's office as the same man.Helen Forrest & others & Richard Randolph Carr all saw the Rambler station wagon getaway car.
That Nash Rambler station waggon belonged to Ruth Pain who Oswalds wife Marina was living with.
To HelmerReenberg or anybody else #2. A. a used car salesman witness (it's in one of your clips) states that the man he saw running from the direction of the Tippit shooting as wearing a white shirt B. the lieutenant detective at the Tippit shooting leaves (HUGE QUESTION MARK) the scene of a fallen/killed officer to go investigate an unknown man who committed a petty crime of sneaking into a theater C. when detective arrives at theater he is told by manager at the FRONT OFFICE that the culprit is in a white shirt & sitting up in the balcony (who was this guy & why aren't researchers & book writers asking who he was) D. at almost the exact time that the detective is arresting the guy in the white shirt (is he arresting him for not paying for a ticket or for being a suspect in the Tippit shooting -- I've never been given any type of answer) patrolman MacDonald is entering the BACK ENTRANCE & walks right up to Oswald AS IF HE KNOWS HIM BY SIGHT without speaking to the manager & Oswald pulls a .38 revolver (Tippit was shot with an automatic) & tries to shoot MacDonald & MacDonald says the gun misfires (are we to believe the greatest criminal mind since Lex Luthor is smart enough to plan an assassination all by himself but not smart enough to know that he is carrying around a defective gun & sneaked into a theater knowing it would draw attention to himself) E. the detective takes the guy in the white shirt out the back entrance & down to the police station & books him & he is released an hour later F. they take Oswald out the front where David Atlee Phillips is already on the scene & in a picture seconds after the arrest G. the SECOND biggest story of Nov. 22nd, 1963 should have been why is Phillips glued to Oswald & why is Phillips even there H. the THIRD biggest story of that day should have been WHO WAS THE GUY IN THE WHITE SHIRT -- CONCLUSION, IMO, it's 2021 & the researchers & the experts & the book writers never delve into those questions -- David Atlee Phillips had answers but was never questioned, the guy in the white shirt had answers but I have never heard his answers or even heard what is name is. That is just a small sample of the over fifty reasons the JFK assassination will always smell like a COVER-UP it was never an investigation.
I believe you but can you tell me where to find information on David Attlee Philips being there that day this is the first I've heard of it.
Oswald was so good that not only did he change the parade route but he also aimed through a tree and hit a moving target. It's either INCREDIBLE or BULLSHIT.
It's amazing how all of the mistakes in this case, ie. switching headshot frames in Zapruder film to make it look like Kennedy's head went forward, paint Oswald as the lone nut despite being done after his death. Quite amazing for a ghost!
@@fifiwoof1969 Parade route was never changed. Oswald's first rifle shot got deflected by the tree branches but his view of Kennedy during the subsequent shots was clear.
Oswald was seen and ID'd by many witnesses shooting Tippit, fleeing, reloading, hiding, ducking into the theater and being caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later with the same gun.
@@aaronz7056 Dallas Morning News of that day had a picture of the route and there was no mention of Houston or Elm - would you like to circle those for me on that diagram? If you do it won't be on the published route - published for the viewing public THAT morning. Where was he killed again? How did Oswald make that change given that he "acted alone".
What everyone missed ( the trigger was pulled and the gun misfires) it also misfired each time the FBI attempted to fire it for ballistics, they had to send it to a gunsmith to install a new firing pin. Not that any of this matters, Oswald's pistol was a revolver ( rimmed casings ) Tibbot was shot with an automatic ( rimless casings were retrieved from the scene by FBI ). FURTHERMORE, Oswald's rifle retrieved from the Book Deposit 3rd floor went through FBI ballistics also and couldn't hit paper at 50 yards. Infact the scope had to be removed and shimmed to eventually hit paper. Actual contract shooters were from over seas.
I agree, please read my 3 original comments if you can find them and read the comments I made 10 minutes ago if you can find them.
Not true.
@@aaronz7056 what is true is the gun worked to kill JDT but the fbi had issues with it working....
I love how the smartest dudes in the room never noticed those shells were 30 feet left of the shooter’s position when recovered?.. And automatic pistols don’t do that..
You got major blind spots, yo!..
@@aaronz7056 . "The shell at the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38 rather than a pistol. " - DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill's police radio dispatch from the Tippit scene. (CE 1974, p.78)
Oswalds look a like ! wow, that’s the prop, opps wrong Patsy, we’ll be back in a minute with Lee, shortly...😂🤣
Exactly!!!!...what a fuckin carry on...how did the public buy this joke🤣
@@leeturton9254 public is stupid naive they're not cohesive that's why we have what we have today ignorance and a lot of freaks. The slow boil.
Both guys look alike haha
@Scott Mallender: Yet another conspiratard, misinterpreting the "patsy" remark.
@@apointofinterest8574 not a chance, Oswald was CIA, if Oswald didn’t work out, 3 more patsy’s were in a box car, that could have been blown....people r obviously commodities for the DS....
A Shotgun at the movie theater...? Where did he get a shotgun? Oh wait...now it is a pistol...........oh NOW he says its a pistol........ok...
Who would go to a theater with a shotgun? It's way too big and someone would be calling police. Then they say Officer Tippit was shot with a pistol?? Is this a magical gun?? No they cause so much confusion no need for any truth. Way to many rabbit to chase. Tippit died at 1:15 . Oswald walks in to movie at 1:10. It's too many lies to sort out.
It just shows all the mistakes that were made.Just like the conspiracy buffs .Lol
@@lindaglover7194 A documentary has the slain officer being the body swap for JFK faked autopsy photos. That LBJ tricked Jackie away from the casket during the unnecessary swearing in on AF1.
@@qtusa I think you refer to "Its all a Rich Man's Trick".
I too heard that for the first time !
Absolutely! At that point, all that was known about "Oswald" was that he had snuck into a movie theatre without paying! Gee, that always draws large crowds and media, doesn't it?
This whole thing stunk from the very beginning, and continues to reek today!
You do realize a assistant district attorney is one of the men on Oswalds arm taking him to the car and rides him to the police station. 700 officers for a ticket jumper and a assistant district attorney.
Radio dispatch: Have information the suspect just went into the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.
The next few radio communications, Sergeant Hill: do you have any additional information on this Oak Cliff suspect?
Dispatch: they think he is at the Texas Theater, in the the balcony.
You conspiracy nuts have trouble sticking to the facts, and making stuff up.
@@stewartj3407 from your own post, Do you feel the Dallas PD response to a ticket jumper was excessive in anyway?
You are correct about the communication on the dictabelt recording. Baker taking him into custody is in the Warren Commission report. So if people who do want to know what happened to the president that day in Dallas from what you said Oswald should have been captured in the balcony not inside the theater? The discrepancy does not make you go Hummmm or continue with oh those crazy conspiracy nuts?
@@richardjohnson4373 still pushing that false narrative and lies, even when I just proved to you they weren’t responding to a ticket jumper, but a murder suspect. You shouldn’t have to lie and make stuff up if the truth is on your side. And the dispatcher is just relaying what he heard, that Oswald might be in the balcony of the theater, he wasn’t, he was on the lower level, under the balcony, what’s your point? Reminds me of the story of two psychiatrists passing each other in the hallway, one says good morning, the other thinks, what did he mean by that? Looking for a conspiracy in every minute little detail is driving you nuts.
@@stewartj3407 who did Oswald murder at his apprehension at the Texas theater?
I love that - "THE car sought in connection with the assassination of President Kennedy has been stopped in Fort WOrth at an intersection... police report they had the suspect in the shooting on the ground." Somebody thought that car was directly connected and at Dealey Plaza. Otherwise, why would they want it in connection within minutes? And then they drag down a guy who just happens to look like Lee Oswald? So, "questioned" and released. What about the car?!?!?!?
Oswald wasn't even a suspect at that time.
He also looks like the guy who played Oswald in JFK.....
@@lisajhardy he was always the suspect because he was a patsy.
@@herbpetrillo163 that's Gary Oldman
That was Harvey Lee in the car and whom also killed Tippit
Harvey Lee wore the white shirt with light colored coat
Captain Westrbrook happened to find this coat & a wallet with Harvey Lee’s
Alex Hidell ID
Lee Harvey was @ the theatre
Unknowingly about to go down as The Patsy but probably had his gut telling Him something was up & really wrong for Him .
Feeling His Gut turning
The whole was & is a Hollywood Government show
Like the moon landings
Law enforcement bungled everything connected with the Kennedy assassination, yet they were able find Lee Harvey in a movie theater.
Just sitting there eating popcorn .
Oswald was seen ducking into the theater by Johnny Brewer and he pointed him out to police inside.
@@aaronz7056 Law enforcement bungled everything that day EXCEPT find LHO in a movie house...LOL
@@aaronz7056 Yes. He pointed Oswald in the dark of a movie theater! Oh! It was a matinee...
@@easyabc1404 Uh... you are aware they turned the house light up when the police first arrived, aren't you?
Oswald did not shoot Kennedy, at the time of the shooting he was on the ground floor watching the parade go by from the entrance of the TSBD and was nowhere near the sixth floor.
He wasn't watching the parade - the man shot by Ruby was in the 2nd floor lunch room.
@@doravernon1511 or a for a shorter explanation without all the minute detail:
www.prayer-man.com/the-second-floor-lunch-room-encounter-in-a-nutshell/
That was blatantly Billie Lovelady.
@@doravernon1511 The only person who placed Oswald in the lunch room as the parade went by was Oswald. The people he claimed he was with firmly denied ever seeing him.
If you thought the afternoon of November 22, 1963 was something, wait until the evening of November 3, 2020!
John Haug
🤣 & you were right!
The Chinese won
Roger that!
Another coup in America
Man, you sure pegged that. Interesting, to say the least.
Wow, I've been interested in the assassination since around 1983, and collated quite a varied collection of books. This is very interesting indeed, thank you!
Have you seen the research of John Armstrong "Harvey & Lee"?
@@doravernon1511 Hi, I didn't get the book back then, but do recall it. I haven't bought too many JFK books in the last twenty years. Regarding the 'two Oswalds', I did pick up Richard Popkin's 'Second Oswald' book around '84. It still surprises me even now how folk try so hard to enforce the 'Oswald did it and did it all alone' idea....
@@OldMod67 "Harvey & Lee" is available on pdf. Thank you i had not heard of the Richard Popkin book.
An excellent book that investigates the crime from a forensic perspective: Enemy of the truth by Sherry P. Fiester.
It is fact based and examines the evidence throughly.
@@doravernon1511 ruclips.net/video/W3DPRGMo7Ug/видео.html
So....who were the patrons in the Texas Theatre at the time of "Oswald's" arrest? I'm not speaking of employees, but actual patrons of the cinema. As far as I know, there is no police record of their statements. The pregnant woman who "Lee" allegedly sat by, for example. Who the fuck are they?!
That is so true. I've never once heard from one of them.
Here we go!
donald Wayne House, a near double of Oswald, was going aroud shooting a rifle at rifle ranges and irritating other shooters there by shooting at their target - and calling himself Oswald. He may have killed Tippit.
The General Walker that Oswald was reported to have shot at (reported AFTER Oswald was killed by Ruby) almost had a witness. The witness reported 2 cars driving away from that incident. One was a black Ford. House drove a black Ford.
Connection made between Oswald & House.
Very strange
I suspected him but now I think he was a red herring & here's why......I looked into the arrest of Donald Wayne House as being a possible suspect for the man Roger Craig saw shortly after Kennedy was shot. However, once I learned that House was a full 5 inches shorter than Oswald, I abandoned this line of investigation because I determined that House likely was not the man Roger Craig witnessed running from the Texas school book depository, simply because Craig would have also been aware of this huge discrepancy in height after Oswald was arrested, and processed at Dallas Police headquarters. Oswald was 5'9, and Donald House was 5'4. Here is a record of his arrest, and his measurements: jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/H%20Disk/House%20Donald%20Wayne/Item%2001.pdf
I will say that he does resemble Oswald somewhat in the face, but his height discrepancy would have been noted by Craig if House was indeed the man who he saw run and get into the Rambler Station Wagon in front of the TSBD. Craig, and the others witnesses who saw this man, would have also noticed his short stature. But they did not say anything of the kind to suggest this.
House denied the charges like Oswald & fell off the radar.
@@WINGGULLSEAGULL there were several 'Oswald' lookalikes, the real Lee Oswald and then the one shot by Ruby, the Patsy.
@@doravernon1511 Ridiculous.
Reporter "Tippit was shot to death by an unknown man in a car "
Me what car ?
Thanks so much for this post. I am in Australia however at the age of 4 I can recall watching my Mother collapse onto the sofa crying. Afterwards I will know why. Just seeing these places clarifies in my mind somewhat, the places connection to the story. Whether or not we believe the whole story is another thing.
I was 12 years old at the time and even then I thought it was odd that LHO was yelling "I'm not resisting arrest, I'm not resisting arrest!" as he was dragged from the theater. In later years, as I look back, it seems he knew that there was a lot in which the patsy would be killed resisting arrest. That afternoon most cops had been ordered to Deally Plaza. Very few were still patrolling the streets. I suspect LHO had orders to proceed to the theater and meet with his contact there. While he was at his boarding house changing, a cop car stopped outside and honked his horn. Perhaps it was Tippit summoning LHO to be taken to the theater but when they went to 10th and Patton instead, LHO knew something was wrong. There were two hit men waiting there. LHO fled for his life. The men killed Tippit as was part of the plan all along. The departed in a grey car. LHO proceeded to the Texas Theater as per instructions and moved from seat to seat looking for his contact (Ruby?) Miraculously 15 squad cars full of cops showed up. At that point LHO knew he was the patsy and was cornered. "This is it!" seems like the appropriate thing to say at the time. For all he knew, he was about to be killed.
"I am not resisting arrest, I am not resisting arrest." You saw that on live TV, huh? LOL Um, yeah okay.
I always admire the courage of modern armchair detectives who just happily opine away with zero evidence to back it up that a decorated police officer who gave his life in the cause of his duty was himself nothing but a conspirator in murder and treason, not giving a damn how much pain their irresponsible and despicable words may cause his family.
@@billbrown8166 We see that on a daily basis with your american cops. Stop resisting, stop resisting! To add a false charge... So it can be heard on the body cam. Stop resisting! You're on top of me, how can i resist??? STOP RESISTING!!!!
@@aaronz7056 Boots!!!! Tippit exited his patrol car without his gun in his hand. So he wasn't going to detain, arrest or to kill somebody. He wanted to talk to the man. Probably the husband or the pimp of Tippit's mistress... Most likely her pimp...
@@billbrown8166 As reported at the time, when police led him out of the theater, Oswald shouted: I protest this police brutality and I am not resisting arrest! Take that for what it is worth because the Dallas PD lied about a lot of things on this case. They even planted LHO's wallet at the scene of Tippits murder. Your problem is obvious and that is you believe what you are told by the authorities. Please educate yourself before showing everyone your ignorance.
No sir! They were not! The shells found at the scene of Tippet's shooting were .38 auto casings. Oswald's pistol was a .38 special. Two different types of rounds and you cannot fire .38 auto shells from a .38 special revolver.
You do know that the revolver taken off Oswald had a bent firing pin? It did not function at the theater so how could it have functioned at the Tippit murder?
@@richardjohnson4373 that is correct Richard. There is a lot of issues with the tippet murder. Achilla Clemmons testimony states a short heavy set guy in a suit shot tippet and he went one way and a skinny guy went the other way. I believe there was an Oswald look alike that lead police to the theater.
@@fiddlefolk as for the theater shoot 700 hundred officers converged on the theater. A assistant district attorney was one of the guys there and he is in the picture of Oswald being hustled out the front door to a waiting police car. He is the one hanging on Oswalds left arm. A assistant district attorney for a ticket jumper? He must have been a part owner in the the Texas theater. You do know Jacob Rubinstine was at the theater also?
Real quick side note you do know the rumor on the street is Oswald was Jacob's love child with Marquette? Or how ever you spell her name.
@@richardjohnson4373 I suspect Ruby is who shot Tippet.... I had heard that rumor about marguerite n ruby. LHO was at the theater to meet his cia handler. He sat next to several different people but none were it. They knew he’d be at the theater and that was the backup plan to lead police there. I think the original plan was for tippet to kill Lee at the bus stop but Lee wasn’t on the bus which sent tippet to the top ten record shop to call n get instructions. Tippet frantically left and cut off a car hitting their car with his n then he jerked the back door open with gun drawn but nobody there. Said he was sorry to the driver n left. Then met his end.
@@fiddlefolk finally someone who has done some real research.
First the Rubinstine doing the Tippit murder well what about G. Gordon Liddy saying he was the gun man?
Second they did take the half of a card off Oswald with his what library card and something else. The ripped card was a spy trick to make contact. The RIP on your piece had to match there card and you knew you had the right person. It was said by I think Brewer who said in a packed theater what about 7 to 8 people he kept moving and sitting right next to other people. Interesting behavior for a cop killer.
Third it was crazy when he ran that guy off the road he jumped out and looked all in the back seat then apologized and said have a nice day. He was hunting something.
As for JD assigned to be Oswalds murderer what about Roger Craig who said he heard the whistle and Oswald came running down the grass and got into the Nash rambler station wagon and speed off. Then what about his land lady who heard two horn blasts from a patrol car. When Oswald ran into the house into his room. The viaduct Jeferson Davis Tippit was watching over is the same water way that those who say someone shot from the manhole exits into.
1:36.... How in god are we gonna indoctrinate this guy.....????? That’s an odd thing to say... then again at 4:53. Different suspect but same voice
That is odd
Oswald didn't own a car or drive.
They say the police DDT’d (like Jake The Snake) him in the theater.
How is it that they tested both hands of LHO for gunshot residue and there was NONE? Nor was there and finger or hand prints found on the rifle. These were clearly stated on the police reports. Secret service went to the funeral home where they cleared the room for five minutes after which the mortician said he barley had time to clean LHO hands of black ink as it was to for the viewing. Several days later the FBI announced they found a palm print that matched LHO on the rifle.
Yes they did a paraffin test and not only did Oswald have gun powder all over his hands but his shirt also. The gun had Oswald's fingerprints. Stop spreading misinformation. No wonder people believe in conspiracy theories with all this misinformation being spread around. Oswald was also a marksman in the military Also the back seat of the limousine was higher than the front seat. From the book depository window it was also an easy shot and the limo was going very slow.
@@ralphgarcia913 just like the theory that Drumpf beat Biden?
Is the guy caught a remarkable look a like for Oswald ?? ALL PART OF THE PLAN
Yeah because everyone gave a description of Oswald you douche bag. He fit the description. The police are not mind readers. Be reasonable at least.
@@dansullivan8648 except that house was 5'4" or thereabouts... Lol.
A documentary has the slain officer being the body swap for JFK faked autopsy photos. That LBJ tricked Jackie away from the casket during the unnecessary swearing in on AF1.
@@qtusa Idiotic beyond words.
@@aaronz7056 Speak for yourself, so uneducated and making up lies.
In this country you are innocent until proven guilty! When was Oswald's court appearance??
He was killed 2 days after being arrested. You don't get a court date for murder that soon.
November 22nd 1963 was an MIC Intelligence Agency coup d'etat. That's about all you really need to know n' it's still going on..call it a takeover . Cheers
Oswald's court appearance was in the Dallas Police Department's basement. Follow the money.. Rothschild's and Rockefellers.
Broadcast on TV
@@TheJpep2424 you get an arraignment right away so yes you do get a court date
Oswald was involved but not alone he just took the blame 🤔
Yes, Oswald was "involved" because he was being handled by government intel and then set up as a patsy.
Yeah Oswald was involved and so was house...and others... they probably had two or 3 plans running at the same time...but Oswald was always going to be the one because of his living in Russia and marrying a Russian and his communist play acting and he just so happens to work in the kill zone... he's definitely in on the the details otherwise why gun him down live on tv in the middle of a police station?....he must have known serious serious details...not only that but he fully trusted the conspirators...he can't have understood the danger he was in
Yep pretty much a fall man
@@leeturton9254 exactly. If he really was an "innocent patsy", why send a man with Mob ties going back to the 1930s on what was essentially a suicide mission to whack him?
@@mikeprevost8650 one thing about jack...he did what he was told.. he's got balls and he follows orders but he didn't want to do it...he even phoned the police station the night before trying to warn them to change the transfer time... now check jacks face just before Oswald comes out... he's sweating and extremely nervous...he doesn't want to do it!...who would!!... bang in the middle of the police station packed with cops and media and tv camera's.... but he's no choice... he's got his orders... but like Oswald he's already a dead man... it's just a question of time
"Oh God we gotta indoctrinate this guy" can be heard on the Lee Harvey Oswald video too. Are the soundtracks for these videos authentic?
most arnt but I find it ironic that one is heard SO MANY TIMES on all this footage....
Just a uneducated cop who meant to say interrogate.
@@landanwoodard7569 a cop who doesn't know the word interrogate...hm
@@mariahyohannes "Cop"
They arrested the Oswald ‘ look a like’ , by mistake! “I’m the guy who’s been framing Oswald, you dummies”, now go to the theatre and get the real patsy- Oswald 🤣😂
I keep reviewing this clip wondering what the "car" was that was sought in connection with the Dallas shooting. Would love to know what kind of car was being sought and why it was pulled over in Ft. Worth. Could it have been a 51 Plymouth, a car seen speeding away from the Tippit murder scene?
+robert glenn Or.....how about a Nash Rambler?
Well, ribchieb..many who witnessed it knock down a street sign claim it was a 51 Plymouth. If it had been the Rambler as seen in Dealey Plaza, damn these were some busy dudes during that 45 or so minutes.
+richieb carric Ruth Paine had a Rambler.
Actually, Ruth Paine was never documented as having owned a Rambler wagon. As far as I've determined from DMV records, at the time, she owned a 1955 Chevrolet BelAir wagon. The Rambler is one of those strange facts in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. A Ramber wagon was seen picking up Oswald or his lookalike along Elm and according to Detective Craig, it sped away toward the underpass.
robert glenn could a Chevvy BelAir wagon be mistaken for a Rambler? I ask because there is a pic of RP standing next to what I thought was a Rambler on her front drive.
MrKtd1 knows so much! He likes to talk down to people because it makes him feel so big and smart. Don't even waste your time explaining. He probably doesn't even realize that if a camera is out of focus that it could potentially pick up the vapor trail of the bullet. Spotters for military snipers turn their spotting scopes a 1/4 turn out of focus so they can follow the vapor trail of the bullet! A camera would be no different.
He did not have a shotgun when arrested he had a pistol.
Who makes THAT mistake?
I have had a stray thought. Now I want to see "War is Hell".
+Jayne Mansfield I think that Audie Murphy guy had something to do with the Tippit murder. He was in the same theater as Oswald wasn't he? :)
Hey, you never know. The entire movie may have been part of the plot.
@@gotch09 Jayne, don't you worry your pretty little head over this stuff. In fact, you should wear motorcycle helmets when you drive. Better yet, stay out of cars... You'll live longer. Just poking fun regarding Mansfield's unfortunate accident.
@@charlesrobbins2208 It was just 'urban legend' that Jayne lost her head. In the picture of the crime scene, that was merely a wig she lost-not actually her head.
@@gotch09 very ironic movie. Movie was made for simple minds. If you figured it out,
It would be interesting to know more information about House. There’s a connection there somewhere.
I agree, House says he didn't kill the officer & was let go, Lee says the same yet he was not let go. I think Oswald was set up through & through in my opinion.
@@doug9066 why would they arrest house if they intended to frame Oswald anyway ?
@@doug9066 Correct, Oswald walked into a set up & was in the Texas theater when Tippit was shot with an automatic. Oswald had a revolver & House was the suspect wanted before Oswald.
@@diogopinto9462 After the shooting a suspect wanted in connection of killing JFK was stopped & arrested in Fort Worth. Before this report officer J D Tippit was shot to death by an unknown man in a car. Tippit heard the radio news bulletin & pulled over the car & was shot while Oswald was watching a movie. Then the Fort Worth police had a pick up order on Donald House & was in custody.
Meanwhile the shoe store clerk alerted Butch Burroughs & he phoned the Dallas police & they swarmed down the Texas theater to pick up Oswald. His Marxist leanings & activities were already blasted around the US drawing an angry crowd..
Oswald was only charged with killing Tippit & several hours later after the Fort Worth police released Donald House the Dallas police hung the JFK killing on Oswald. Oswald was set up by an Oswald "double".
House actually looks alot like Oswald, as near as you can tell by the grainy video! They even appear dressed the same way, it appears! Could he have been the Oswald double seen at the firearms range and buying the car in the weeks preceding the assassination? Hes too small to be the double in Mexico city, but that guy hasn't been clearly identified yet either!
crazy how LHO pistol worked fine to kill JDT.
We will never Know What Happened That Day
I know Oswald didn't do it all alone and that's enough for me...
A Take Over.
Actually, if you lookup Jim Marrs, Mark Lane, and Dr. Grove Proctor you'll know exactly what happened. They did a thorough job of investigating.
It’s the police that said Oswald had a gun and where is his jacket he supposedly went home grabbed a gun and jacket. Oswald never said he had a gun when arrested. The gun was never brought up to Oswald. If he had a gun at the theatre and attempted to shoot a cop why did they not charge him with that and what’s an FBI agent doing with the cops at the theatre ,anybody that believes Oswald shot anybody that day is crazy
Oswald ditched his jacket in a parking lot as he fled from murdering Tippit. Witnesses saw him kill him. One locked eyes with him, another assured CBS a year later he would "never forget" Oswald's face. Another affirmed it was Oswald, decades later. What are you talking about, he was taken into custody as a suspect in Tippit's killing and he tried to shoot a second cop. Those officers risked their lives doing their duty to capture him alive. The revolver was Oswald's and the bullets from Tippit's body were firmly matched to it.
@@aaronz70562/4 bullets were matched 😂 2 diffrent guns shot officer tippet
@@jadonprest1944 He used different types of ammo, and you make laughing emojis like that settles the matter without addressing the minor details that he was seen doing it by witnesses, was caught trying to do it again minutes later, no other credible scenario or suspect has ever been put forward in 60 years (by yourself included), etc.
One of the biggest blunders by the people to frame LHO was the Tippet killing. The blunder is that the Tippet shooter left his shell casings which were .38 caliber auto shells. Oswald is arrested at the movies with a .38 special revolver. This is a big mistake because you can't fire .38 auto rounds from a .38 special revolver. I think LHO was followed from the TSBD and was to be silenced. Tippet pulls up to the guy trailing LHO and is shot by him. LHO hears this and flees with his gun out.
Good point makes sense, the bulletin said Tippit was shot to death by an
unknown man in a car. Oswald didn't drive a car & Aquila Clemons description
of the shooter fits Donald House.....short & chunky & does not fit Oswald.,
@@winggullseagull1230 interesting....
Paranoid rubbish.
@nicenonya3 What did they do to frame him?
I don't recall ever hearing about the man arrested in Fort Worth and then released.
"Now this has to be the greatest example of police intuition since the Reichstag Fire... and I don't buy it. They knew. Someone knew Oswald was going to be there..."
JFK (1991)
Lee was going home...
Nobody knew. After Oswald shot JFK and fled, it was soon noticed he was the only AWOL TSBD employee. His description was a good match for the man seen in the window besides. Tippit, heard the APB and was curious enough about Oswald (as he turned on his heel and walked away from him) to want a closer look. Johnny Brewer, in his shoe store, heard the description over the radio of the wanted suspect and saw Oswald trying to hide in his doorway. He watched him duck into the theater without paying and was alert and suspicious enough to alert the police, who quickly noticed this man was a good match for the man seen killing Tippit. Of course they converged on the theater.
Officer Tippet knew. Follow his actions and you know....
I now.. feel bad for Oswald..... I can't imagine how terrified he must have been to have been framed and setup like this! May all those responsible burn in Hell for it..
LE investigation training 101. Who benefited the most from the crime. Who acted the most strange right after crime? Mr. Chicken Noodle soup. All his nervous stomach could handle. Well know 1 most corrupt politician ever. Hint. He had to been involved. Pee on secret service agents pants legs in public because he too lazy walk bathroom made them make circle around him so he could pee. I can keep going on. Should read about that mess of a human.
I pity the fool that accused Oswart for being a lone - Nut case . Seriously Oswart mite have sold his rifle to Warren Caster but it don't make sense because they kept calling it a Mauser until Buddy Walthers came back from Ruth's garage!!!!!
@@wv171 10 yrs later he was dead from torment. He did'nt enjoy his rise to the top for very long.
@@wv171 Who?
@@yibada1176 i heard he literally went insane his last year or so of his life. Bat shit coo-coo.
Critical Past has this film of House's arrest for sale and the images are sharp and clear, House looks remarkably similar to Oswald. Could he have killed Trippet and made his escape only to get caught and detained?
Although House was quite a bit shorter than Oswald, you wouldn't be able to tell if you were looking at him in an open window. House was connected in some way.
Oswald is connected to the shooting scene and the Texaco parking lot by physical evidence pulled from his person when arrested, and multiple witnesses at each location.. And he’s repeatedly acting guilty by discarding his jacket to change his appearance and trying to murder cops when he resists arrest?..
What’s the problem here, guys?.. lol.. Besides your built in bias?..
@RedStateRoy Donald House heard about the shooting in Dealey Plaza on the radio while driving a car. He stopped at a gas station and mentioned the shooting to the attendant. The attendant though House was involved by reasoning "If he (House) knew about the shooting he must have been involved with it". The attendant called police with a description of the driver, car and plate number. When police pulled him over they found a fair amount of dynamite in the car. House was eventually cleared.
He had dynamite and was cleared and I had a hunting knife in my car and got a misdemeanor and a lousy Georgetown ,Tx lawyer that got 2000.00 dollars. Justice and the American way.
You dont see Jim Lavelle in any of these videos until Sunday morning when he is th only guy in Dallas in a light colored suit.
Nice clear signal to Ruby when was at Western Union at 11:17 to arrive and shoot Oswald at 11:21 - AMAZING coincidence!
@@fifiwoof1969 I admire your courage, modern armchair detective, as you happily opine away with zero evidence to back it up Leavelle was a conspirator in murder, not giving a damn how much pain your despicable and irresponsible words cause his family so long as it suits your crackpot "theories."
@poitrenaud Read below my previous message. I made the connection between Donald Wayne House & Oswald. House looks close enough to be Oswald. It was House who was irritating other shooters at a rifle range in Dallas before the assassination & calling himself Oswald. Connection made.
Look at this film again, see the resemblance. A car was seen driving away from the Tippit murder. And after House was quickly released, we never heard from him again. He was "silenced".
I thought the same looks like Donald House shot Tippit not Oswald. Your silenced is in quotation marks. Was he killed or paid hush money ?? Do you know ?
Acquila Clemons told Lane that she saw 2 men shoot Tippett and the other man was "chunky" - Ruby-esque you could suggest.
She was never seen again after that interview after being warned not to say anything.
Exactly which car was associated with the assassination?
Tippit was one of the key gunmen in Dealey Plaza who was silenced by order of LBJ. Witnesses saw two people at the killing and one was husky and neither one of them looked like Oswald. None of the shells fit Oswald's pistol. The coroner said there were two calibers in the body and neither one was Oswald's.
Too many Oswald's!
'JFK and the Unspeakable:why he died and why it matters'.
@jimmyofaden assumed House must have known about the shooting before it happened. When House was arrested the police found dynamite in the car. House was in construction which explained the dynamite. After questioning he was later released. Can you imagine the lawsuit if that happened today?
I was 8 when JFK was shot. I remember the teachers and students in school crying, LHO getting shot on live TV and the funeral for JFK. Especially the sound of the drums and the rhythm of the beats.
Someone said LHO had a “shotgun” in the theatre, but then a report said a handgun. It’s unlikely he carried a shotgun into a theatre.
That is BS
Don't believe I ever saw this video. Very interesting.
The best way to cover up something like this is to just keep spreading rumors. About 55 years and the perpetrators are still trying to cover their ass.
It's amazing isn't it?
The reporter said Oswald was "armed with a shotgun" (2:08) but it was a revolver that he used to kill Officer Tippit earlier. The revolver is shown at 2:41. And someone said as they brought the 1st suspect (Donald House) into the Police Station, "Oh God, now we have to indoctrinate this guy." (1:36) The same voice is heard saying the same thing when they brought Oswald there (4:52). WTF? Perhaps to indoctrinate meant to beat the crap out of. We don't know if they roughed up the first guy because they didn't show him being released; but they did rough up Oswald. He had cuts on his face.
Oswald got "roughed up" when he fought with the cops like a demon as they disarmed him in the theater as he tried to shoot the first cop to talk to him.
James Files 😉😎👍
Demonstrable liar and kook.
@TheAmbassador11 Very good point. My own study of this has lead me to more questions than answers. I now see that the only way to pin this rap on LHO was to kill him first. Dead men tell no tales.
Tippit was to kill him and Oswald got away. Then they had to kill Tippit.
@@bobwatchit9636 I admire your courage, just happily opining away in public with zero evidence that a decorated police officer who gave his life in the cause of his duty was himself a murderer and traitor, not giving a damn how much pain your despicable and irresponsible words cause his family.
It was the little ticket girl at the theater. She said the man had a shotgun in his pants. We all know what was on her mind at the time.
Right on !!! I'm frustrated too, I was at the Museum at TSBD and they only have books for sale saying the LHO was the lone shooter. The media does not help a bit with so much overwhelming evidence. There are a lot looners
at YT with very low information saying that LHO did but always walk away when we corner them on a debate with the facts.
Isnt it odd that even after all these years of Official investigations, "We the People" are not allowed to see the Classified, still under seal documents and evidence related to this case?
This would have also been the case for Oswalds legal team.
National Security would have been used to withhold evidence which may have helped exonerate him if he was to ever go to trial.
Isnt it also odd we still haven't seen all the properly examined and documented crime scene sketches and photos; and proper forensic evidence collected related to this case?
The techniques WERE in place in the 1950s.
Were these techniques used and who secured the scenes and performed the crime scene investigation?
All the crime scenes were contaminated with reporters, public bystanders, people not related to the investigation.
Witnesses(apparently) were not interviewed or called to testify.
Interestingly, the most important case of the century in the USA failed to use them.
Is it any wonder people with common sense and intelligence question the validity of the evidence? The accused was isolated and controlled.He tried to make a phone call which apparently was not allowed to go through. Later he was (conveniently) killed before he could be put on trial. Yes, he sounds guilty to me......
Possibly because authors like Marrs, Groden, Livingstone, Garrison, Lane, etc. were grifters who told one demonstrable lie after another....
They were offered real documention of what really happened, a load of it. They wanted full copyright to everything to do with as they pleased. I think it was Mark Lane who offered it. He refused to sign away his rights to his book and other research he had as well as the documentation he'd collected. After a while they caved and received it. They did not put out any of it because it didn't fit the narrative already on display.
@@Becky_Davis Mark Lane:
- described by Charles Brehm as a "despicable lair"
- soundly condemned by investigators for misleading them with conspiracy theories he couldn't back up with evidence
- described by John Connally as "evil"
- his books are packed with demonstrable fabrications
- disgusted interview subjects by twisting their words to suit his agenda
- later right-hand stooge to Rev Jim Jones and who had a lot of blood on his hands at Jonestown
- don't miss Bob Katz's Mother Jones article "Mark Lane - The Left's Leading Hearse Chaser...."
@Aaron Z My reply to you - A. How did Brewer know what LHO looked like? Nobody was giving a description on TV or radio of JFK's assassin or JDTippett assassin as Tippett's murder had just occurred minutes not hours before LHO was arrested at the theater. Even the video that we are commenting on points out that LHO was/had not been mentioned as a suspect in either killing. It would take hours to canvass the area & find out what was seen and by who -- of course it would have taken seconds if you had been there. B. I have never seen any report that his/LHO revolver was matched to bullets found in Tippett. LHO was killed the next day & the prosecuting attorney never filed charges against LHO so where is the ballistics report & who ordered it Mr Know it all? Read the numerous comment's (including mine about a video by Reenberg where an eyewitness claims the weapon was a .45 caliber automatic & he showed the police where the casings where) stating Tippett was killed by an automatic not a revolver, .38 caliber or otherwise. C. I use the word 'SUSPECT' because I suspect that David Atlee Phillips was LHO CIA handler (so does HERCULES EDUCATIONAL) & because Phillips is seen it a picture glued/stapled to LHO. UNLIKE YOU I do not promote speculation as truth, that is why I said I suspect, in other words it is my opinion. Everything that you post, you post as if it is the gospel truth because you posted it. You are a 'LONE NUT THEORIST' & I am a 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST.' So is 70% of the country that either believe LHO didn't shoot anybody that day or that if he did he did not act alone. D. Shot a cop with a gun that had a bent firing pin, the same gun he shot MacDonald with --- yes? E. Don't care about Oliver, I don't have a dog in that fight. I mentioned because you said there was no evidence that Ruby knew LHO. I provided you with published evidence that Oliver gave testimony to the Warren Commission. If she was lying why didn't they prosecute her for perjury? Take it up with them not me. F. Your diatribe reeks of being BUTT HURT -- you lost this debate the moment you set yourself up to be the defining ALL KNOWING WIZARD OF OZ & cannot be questioned as your facts/opinions are the only ones worth knowing. You will make a great tyrant/draconian leader some day when you grow up.
"I suspect..." LOL
Antient Greek proverb - "The drowning man grips to his own hair", meaning a person in a desperate situation will try the most desperate measures.
So the pistol fired fine to kill JDT yet MISFIRED all of a sudden a the movie house.....but then a man got his FINGER in the hammer area...LMFAO!!!
That's what happened. Cripes, Oswald was seen by two dozen witnesses shooting Tippit, fleeing, reloading, hiding out, ducking into the theater and getting caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
@@aaronz7056 right, after he escaped on a bus, shot himself while serviing in the USMC, yet was an expert "shot", couldnt drive a car, didnt have a "real job", dude the list of this stuff goes on and on and on
@@dustyflair Your statement is completely irrelevant to what I just said, but moving right along... lol
Revolvers rarely misfire. It's possible that there was an empty shell in the cylinder under the hammer, though. Some police department regulations required that officers keep a spent shell under the hammer., in the days when they carrier 6 shot revolvers.
@@dustyflair Oswald qualified as a marksman in the Corps, not an expert. It's the lowest qualification, but it still requires a minimum level of proficiency.
Anytime a big event like this happens there is a lot of chaos and misreporting. House was just some poor guy who "fit the description" even though he looked almost six inches shorter than Oswald.
The Patsy was 5 foot 8. The real LHO was 5 foot 11.
What description did Oswald fit and who provided it and when was it broadcast?
I don't buy it!
@@doravernon1511 There was no patsy.
@@aaronz7056 Oswald was a patsy...he told you
Bullets and shells that did not match Oswald's handgun that he had on him in the theater. Shells that were called in as being automatics and initialed by the officer yet never entered into evidence. 2nd revolvers and 2nd wallets with Oswald's I.D. Nothing suspicious about that...
anyone know what kind of car it was that police stopped in Ft Worth?
Please don't tell me it was......a Nash rambler.....!
Donald House drove a green & white '57 Ford.
Can't answer that but Tippett knew Oswald and Ruby.
Also interesting that Tippett was a dead ringer for JFK,no pun intended.
Body double for the switch?
How about both JFK and Tippit both went to DC and arrived at Bethesda and both had a autopsy done. The story about the mortician doing reconstruction on the head on Air force 2 was actually them trying to get Tippit to resemble John. The real question arises who is buried in the eternal flame? Some speculate it is Tippit not John. Dont worry by now no one cares so the chances for a exhumation will never happen.
Did you guys know that Officer J. D. Tippit was nicknamed..."Kennedy" because of his resemblance to JFK ?
Some historians claim the The JFK's body was switched with the J.D.'s body during the flight to Washington.
And for these reasons the official head pictures are different from those taken at Parkland Hospital.
No, only paranoid crackpots with no grasp of logic or reality claim that.
@@aaronz7056 - HOW could you be so sure what is in that coffin ? Are you more informed than those historians or the choper's pilot ? Are you one of the lying "official version" believers ?
If you write about logic and reality...well, both of them deny the "official version".
@@ROMANABSOLUT Tell you what, have it your way. Somebody stole J.D. Tippit's body from the morgue without any of his family, friends or fellow officers ever noticing, even at his open-casket funeral. Then, Secret Service agents and conspirators somehow smuggled it on board Air Force One without anybody noticing.
Then, in the cramped and crowded confines of the plane, with people packed in like sardines, they stole Kennedy's body out of his casket, without anybody seeing.
Then, they somehow hid Kennedy's body down in the hold without anybody noticing.
Then, they somehow got Tippit out of his casket or body bag and stuffed his body into Kennedy's casket, without anybody ever noticing.
Then they got both bodies safely off of the plane in D.C, without anybody ever seeing anything.
All this without leaving so much as a trace of blood anywhere on the plane.
Yeah, that's brilliant.
@@aaronz7056 - dude, it is NOT "my" way, but the way of some American historians. 80 % of all Americans believe there was a plot.
You must be kiddy writing me about "J. D. Tippit family" when the murder was involving the highest official organizations in the country, all of them, as proven by researchers and historians.
The simple fact that the Warren Commission set a 75 years classified case is telling everything to anyone.
The fact that RJK was assassinated in 1968 tells us the same thing : inside job...We already know another one of the same kind, isn't it ?
Dude, since I was an ado I put myself on the TRUTH side, and I will never place myself on the LIE side. I don't buy cheap. That's for the tv watchers.
@ApolloWasReal excuse me, when I said "indict" I meant "arraign".
Is that guy in the dark shirt at around 1:45 the Ft. Worth person named Donald House?
Yes, that's Donald House. Notice at 1:14 that the news broadcaster states that Donald House was picked up because an APB was put out on his car.
I'd like to see documentation about that APB. Who gave the police a description of a car in regards to the Kennedy assassination?
@jimmyofaden The question about LHO having enough time to get from one location to the next is a fair one. It's been studied and without question he was able to move about to different locations within the time frame of when event occurred.
House happened to be in the Ft.Worth area when his arrest took place. All of that came about because he had a radio in his car (a luxury item back then) and he heard about the assassination. When he mentioned to the gas station attendant about JFK, the
"The President has been shot! And a cop was just murdered! Send a whole bunch of cops to arrest this guy who snuck into a movie without paying!!!"
He's Red! I'm telling you already, he's Red!
Its because the kid at the shoe shop supposedly told the operator he was ducking inside his shop avoiding the 5-0 going up Jefferson with lights and sirens. He knew his wanted stars were maxed out.
2000 people flocked to the the area of the theater? Huh?
@@rattycaddy It's because Captain Westbrook of the Dallas PD was in on the conspiracy and sent half the force there:
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For crying out loud.... a man matching the description of the killer of a police officer nearby was just seen acting furtive and ducking into storefronts when cruisers rushing past to the murder scene and was seen ducking into the theater. Of course the police are going to hurry there.
Wow. something wrong here too!
Wow. Oswald pulls a gun on police. Resists arrest. Then screams he objects to this police brutally. 60 years ahead of his time.
@ BabyBoomerChannel I think your comment is informative (to bad people will have to search for hours to find it. I can remember when YT would post your comment under mine so you had context and didn't have to go search for it) I would like to add to it. It does seem logical that LHO would go to Ruby to see if he could help connect the dots to what had just happened -- seeing or hearing gunshots decided to go to theater to hide. Another alternate conclusion -- if LHO had time to walk 10 blocks he had time to get a cab or bus out of town so why didn't he -- I suspect he was going to meet his handler (I suspect David Atlee Phillips, so do others) but was going to Ruby's first to see what imput Ruby had before switching course to go in direction of theater. Why else was Phillips glued to LHO when they brought him out of the theater? How did police & camera crews know of LHO being in the theater if they weren't tipped off by somebody that knew he would show up at the theater. That might explain why Ruby fit the description given by witnesses of the man who shot Tippit. Ruby was heading toward LHO because LHO called Phillips & Phillips told LHO to meet at the theater. Phillips then called Ruby to intercept LHO. LHO decided to go chat with Ruby and heard shots so he got scared and went in the opposite direction to the theater as he was told to do originally by Phillips. Tippit was looking for LHO (the landlady said a squad car pulled up & honked before LHO left his boarding room) and saw Ruby & pulled over to talk to him & Ruby saw a loose end and ended Tippit's life because he knew Tippit could finger him for LHO's death if LHO was killed in the nearby area. Ruby had to abort killing LHO & leave the area, Ruby called Phillips and told him LHO was headed his way & told him about Tippit's death. Phillips starts calling people about a possible suspect in the killing of a police officer being in a theater. Ask yourself this, the deputy director of the CIA at a petty crime scene when he should have been at Parkland Hospital reporting back to the CIA director on the condition of JFK. Who else but Ruby or Phillips could have known where LHO would be after he left his boarding room? Who told Phillips that LHO was or would be at the theater and that Tippit had been killed? Only the people he would have called from his boarding room before he left. Think about it, nobody & I mean nobody (camera crews, police, police dispatcher etc) could have known where LHO was going except the people he called. Check the phone records & you have the key domino to solving the case. Tell me I am wrong & why weren't these questions asked over 58 years ago? Those records have been wiped long ago. Don't expect this comment to last more than 8 hours.
Rubbish.
Mlj1219 could be right...what a big old cover up
What a day ! I just wanted to hang some curtains today
At 3:12 in shop doorway? and at 3:15 far right, Jack Ruby can be seen outside the Texas theatre.
Ruby's known movements make it virtually impossible for him to have been at the theater.
3:21: I do not see the cigar in the mouth of the man in the suit on Oswald's immediate left in this photo. The one in the Dealy Plaza museum CLEARLY shows the cigar. What's up with that?
Who would empty a revolver at the seen he was shot with an automatic
Oswalds "pistol" had a broken firing pin. Imagine that, he pulls a gun, it doesn't work, but, it worked just fine, supposedly, down the street. So much bs in this case. Yes, the initial report, sent in to dispatch after handling the shell, said automatic.
Oswald was plainly seen reloading the revolver.
@@charlesrobbins2208 Not true.
JD Tippit was killed becasue he was badgeman and had removed some of the shooters from the scene,
I admire your courage, happily opining away in public with zero evidence that a decorated police officer who gave his life in the cause of his duty was himself nothing but a murderer, not giving a damn how much pain your irresponsible and despicable words cause his family.
@@aaronz7056 10-4. I think his family will make it....
@@dustyflair You're callous and obscene.
@@aaronz7056 and obtuse.
@@dustyflair Evidently, since for one thing Badgeman is too big to be human, no bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle, the autopsy shows the shots came from behind, the Connally's said the shots all came from behind, witnesses under the sixth floor window said the shots all came from directly above, anybody firing a rifle behind that flimsy fence would have been absurdly obvious to everybody nearby, and no conspiracy would ever assume they could frame this on a lone shooter as they fired away on the victim from multiple directions.
Any mention of FBI at the theater?
Donald Thomas REBUTTAL :
An analysis published in the March 2001 issue of Science & Justice by Dr. Donald B. Thomas used a different radio transmission synchronization to put forth the claim that the National Academy of Sciences panel was in error. Thomas' conclusion, very similar to the HSCA conclusion, was that the gunshot impulses were real to a 96.3% certainty. Thomas presented additional details and support in the November 2001 and September and November 2002 issues.
Too bad he didn't have the gun that matched the hulls at the Crime Scene of Tippit's death. And odd that he had his wallet at the theater when he left his wallet at Tippit's location too. They actually did find fingerprints on the passenger side of Tippit's car. They weren't Oswald's but since it did not fit the narrative they never bothered to reveal that fact.
Bullets were matched directly to Oswald's gun.
Oswald somehow got to the 6th Floor, unnoticed, Fires 3 shots- On Target! Then forgets to pick up the 3 shells, yet hides the Rifle well?? Then again unnoticed down 4 Floors to the 2nd Floor, buys a coke, calmly convinces a police officer with a gun in his face, that he’s no threat! That is one great Sniper, Athlete and actor, all in one! Ya right 😂🤣😅
You apparently have not done any real research on the JFK assassination! Try actually reading the Warren Commission Report and then read some of the non fictional books about the assassination! Otherwise you are just spreading misinformation and some pure outright lies!!!
@@wallacebell4311 the WC Report? 🤣😂🤣😂😅
Oswald *worked* on the sixth floor.
Oswald in fact botched the assassination; it took him 3 shots to kill his victim.
Oswald knew once he fled it was just a matter of time before he would be wanted, he was hardly going to bother with the shells and he dumped the gun on his way out since he could hardly carry it into the street.
He was seen walking further into the lunchroom from the doorway by Officer Baker after ducking in there on hearing Baker coming up the stairs. Oswald didn't say a word, his boss Truly ID'd him as an employee and Baker let him go and continued racing upstairs.
Lee didn't drive and was reported he had to run from place to place but they just said men drove off in car
01:36 what the voice over says?
22 year old Donald House of Ranger Texas?
Why was he arrested? I've never heard anything about him. Did he live to be an old man?
Did he live to be an old man?Damn you got the conspiracy bug.
@@randyharris3175 , your comment is laughable to me, but still just a waste of time, yours and mine.
@@randyharris3175 you must have it too, you spend more time here than the conspiracy crowd. Why is that? You never did answer that question, did you?
@@charlesrobbins2208 I love to correct you do called conspiratory buffs.
@lee turton Spoken from the biggest conspiracy kook of them all.You sound like Trump saying please like me suburban women If nobody likes me because I state the facts that's alright with me.Sorry to interfere with your conspiracy party.
Yep, I'd like to hear an unbias report of how oswald behaved in theatre from another movie-goer. I know theatre wasn't very full. I somehow doubt the offical story since so much other stuff is suspect. I do recommend "JFK and the unspeakable" for interesting nuggets of info you didn't know re the theatre arrest and an oswald double.
Nothing like conspiracy theorists to turn the most obvious murder of a police officer into some kind of who dunit .Mark Lane and company you would have thought they would have had better things to do .But unfortunately lies sell better than the truth especially in this case.And Lane wonders why he had the fbi following him.Lane knows damn well what went down on Tenth and Patton.He was a profiteer shame on him for running this ruse for all those years
How could you believe another show goer like the one who said he bought popcorn.Everybody wanted to get in on the case.Comenon man use your common sense
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They said he talked through the whole movie. He was a rude A hole.
@@randyharris3175 so why didn't they let him defend a dead suspect to the Warren Commission? Perhaps because he asked too many questions that destroyed the lone nut story? Every defendant is entitled to a lawyer and Oswald's mother chose Lane. If he so horrendous as you say just let him do a shit job and look stupid for all the world to see like Drumpf's lawyers who had 3 sustained objections against them in their opening statement just yesterday. Might've been 2 if he paid them, lol.
Oswald didn't own a car. If the police were looking for a car in connection with Tippit's murder or JFK, then Oswald couldn't have been the guy. Who were they looking for then? Oswald didn't even leave town. He was seen in the book depository within minutes of the shooting and they said he was in the lunch room and seemed calm. I doubt anyone would be calm after shooting the President. Just because he allegedly had a pistol on him when they picked him up doesn't mean anything.
But the revolver firing pin was found bent and couldn't shoot Tippit either. Why was there an FBI agent with the police ?
Gun was in perfectly fine condition.
Agents and police were spreading out all over the place after the assassination.
There's something very unnatural about the entire story. Don't believe in many conspiracies, but also do not believe in many coincidences.
Don't mean to be aggravating but you seem to be torn in your beliefs. You say the story is unnatural but you don't believe in conspiracies. How is that possible? You must not have ever read detective stories, watch movies or television. Almost every movie (some even have conspiracy in the title of the movie) is based on a conspiracy (GREEN ZONE, THE PELICAN BRIEF, ENEMY OF THE STATE, ETC.) and most detective stories are based around somebody being framed for a murder they didn't commit. In order to make a FRAME stick or even suggested you have to have one or more parties willing to ignore or hide evidence. Thus, a conspiracy exits if the FRAMED is found to be innocent then a conspiracy (intentional or unintentional) existed. There is a difference between honest mistakes versus being the victim of a conspiracy by those (rich & powerful people who can buy any story they want to be told & believed) who want to avoid blame/prosecution or carry out their own agenda by any means including false accusations, deception and misinformation. If conspiracies don't exist then Walter Cronkite never reported for 2 days the rifle used by Oswald was a Mauser but then it turned into a Mannlicher-Carcano because police can't read or tell the difference between the two rifles.
@@MLJ1219 - Cronkite, and every other news outlet in America, reported it was a Mauser because thats what the Dallas PD and FBI reported to them. That CIA doc STILL notes a Mauser was found. Now that you've been schooled in basic linear reasoning, how would you explain the Dallas PD and/or FBI all getting such a humongous detail so wrong? I tend to think they didn't get it wrong, it's what they found. Feel free to speculate on that question.
And a conspiracy is nothing more than two or more people 'planning' something deemed 'illegal' son, otherwise it's just called 'planning'. Nothing complicated about that, happens every hour of every day. I don't believe it's that unless it makes sound and reasonable sense. In this case the rifle didn't match the rifle they soon found out Oswald owned.
@@ghostdance56 Again, you seem to be confused - if a prosecutor can prove one or more persons had bank robbery tools, blueprints of the bank and a detailed (PLANNING) outline of who is to carry out each detail of the robbery or a snitch willing to testify (would apply to murder, insurrection or attempted assassination etc.) then one or all parties could be prosecuted for 'CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT' -- SON
You make my case in my original reply to you by stating that Cronkite & others reported misinformation or disinformation from the FBI, CIA & Dallas PD. When the FBI etc. shift a Mauser to a Carcano because it helps them further their agenda then it should be obvious that a conspiracy to make Oswald the killer/patsy is their intention. (which you seem to agree with - can't really tell) YOU said you didn't believe in conspiracies & I replied to you that conspiracies are prevalent & always have been & gave you examples --SON.
For a person who mouths linear logic, you don't seem to have much SON. If you would have stated that you usually don't believe conspiracy theories BUT you believe this one then I would not have replied to you. Feel free to speculate about that SON. I still can't tell if you believe Oswald acted alone or with others or was just a designated patsy because you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. I don't think Oswald shot anybody that day with a Mauser or a Carcano. BTW, the Dallas Chief of Police did state on air that he believed more than one person was involved in the JFK assassination.
You stated, "how would you explain the Dallas PD and/or FBI all getting such a humongous detail so wrong? I tend to think they didn't get it wrong, it's what they found." If you are a trained FBI, CIA agent or policeman you would know the difference between a Mauser and a Carcano - it's stamped on the rifle barrel - SON. You must have missed that point in your linear reasoning school that you referred to.
@@MLJ1219 - It's amusing how you eventually agree with me consistently. Who you arguing with? See ya sonny.
JD Tippit was also a member of The John BIrch Society.
What led police to suspect the vehicle was connected to the shooting?
That Forth Worth 'suspect taken into custody' at the start of this audio should be scrutinized further. There was an Oswald-look-alike (Donald House) who was arrested and brought into custody and later released, with the assistance of David Atlee Phillips. Note that the arrest was some 25 minutes away from where Oswald was picked up.