Lee Harvey Oswald & J. D. Tippit - Closing the Book
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Last few corrections to my previous video and a quick introduction to the book WITH MALICE by Meyers.
So much to pour over here.......way to much for a gun channel! Very deep rabbit hole.........
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"The shell at the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38 rather than a pistol." - DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill's police radio dispatch from the Tippit scene. (CE 1974, p.78)
Bet you will never find what he based that assumption on. My guess it’s simply the fact that shell casings were present. Ballistic tests matched them to the revolver.
@@MilsurpGarage the shells for an automatic are about half as long as those for a revolver. Unmistakable.
@MilsurpGarage That's not what the Warren Commision said.
@@MilsurpGarage automatic rounds cannot be fired from a revolver.
@@dphinman6952 Automatic rounds, huh?
Does anything you’ve read in the Dale Myers book explain why Tippit’s killer would take the time to give a head shot, discard the shells at the scene of the crime and then leave the scene with his pistol in what witness Ted Callaway called a “raised pistol position” when he could have simply put the pistol in his pocket?
Ok......lets get the book out here......ok...
A woman named Acquilla Clemmons said after the shots she ran down from her porch to see a man unloading a gun as he fled the scene and he was making a waving gesture at another man standing across the street as if to tell him “to go on” and they ran off is opposite directions. That is the only mention of another person. A few other witnesses stated he ran while throwing empties from the gun and they did find empty cases in those areas. One guy said he got into, then later “ran beside” a car leaving the scene. Calloway did say he was holding the gun as if it was an automatic he was reloading but he and a few others also said he was trying to tuck it into his waistband. Seems like all the witness statements lumped together show he reloaded it clumsily while running away and sticking it into his waistband.
My head is spinning, this book is huge and I’m getting pulled in again. Must....put...it.....down......aggggh. Whew, that was close. Get this book, its amazing.
@@MilsurpGarage - I read the first edition about 15 years ago. I agree with Myer’s that the man who ended up shooting Tippit was approaching Tippit from the east walking toward Tippit. This was confirmed by some of the witnesses. Myers believes this man did a u-turn when he saw the police car and this is what triggered Tippit to question him. The problem is that this does not allow Oswald enough time to leave his rooming house with his revolver, walk past where he encountered Tippit and then, without apparent reason, just turn around and start walking in the other direction. Myers never explains the timing or gives any reason why Oswald would be walking the streets at a rapid pace and suddenly change direction leading to his encounter with Tippit. Myers has done some excellent research but I think he may be biased in drawing som of his conclusions. I’ll have to get the 2013 edition, but I’ll get the Kindle version.
@@MilsurpGarage - One other question: The Dallas Police transcripts relayed that a witness (presumably ex-USMC Ted Callaway) reported that the suspect had a “dark finished semi-automatic pistol”. Would a Marine combat veteran refer to a revolver as a “pistol”? I know civilians use the terms interchangeably, but would a Marine? Further, one of the detectives on the scene initially reported the shells found to be from 38-auto ammunition, which was also reported over the radio.
Thanks for your time!
@@KevinBalch-dt8ot There is so much information in this book I can’t even imagine any specific conclusion! There can be any number of interpretations of this info.
@@KevinBalch-dt8ot Yes, the shells and gun were from a revolver....that witness said he saw him carrying it as he fled like you would carry a semi auto pistol you were reloading in a “high ready” position. Believe me, witness testimony might be the single WORST information if it is the truth you are after. If you are a conspiracy theorist, its great. Defense attorney, great. Prosecutor, great. You can find someone who saw (or be convinced he/she saw) whatever you need. But......For the truth seeker....horrible.
Great video! No conspiracy BS. Just a technical discussion of the weapon and ammo.
"No Conspiracy BS" Until you start to realize that the Conspiracy is not that Oswald had help killing JFK, but the real Conspiracy is that he DID IT ALONE. That is complete WR nonsense.
Yes, lots of information, but the information is partly wrong.
The mail order purchase makes no sense and should not have happened. Oswald orders a gun through his P.O. Box, orders it under an alias (Hidell), and then signed for it using the name Paxton. The sole evidence is a copy of a receipt, not even an original.
No mention of Oswald's wallet which appeared and then disappeared at the scene. How do you explain the disappearing wallet that reappears in Oswald's pocket?
The slugs didn't match the shells. Four shots, four shells, and they don't match the slugs? Major red flag.
The secret to the frame lies in the rechambered weapon. That was not by accident. It was on purpose.
It was common knowledge in Oak Cliff that Ruby, Oswald, and Tippit had ben seen together. For example, at Austin's Barbecue.
Dale Myers has done a lot of work and has kept the case alive, but he is the Warren Commission of the Tippit murder.
Oh, the bullets found in Oswald's pocket?? They weren't found for hours, not until after he was interrogated.
On the surface Oswald looked guilty. But when you dig, it all comes apart.
Case not closed . . . not closed by a long "shot" folks.
You are attempting to close an incomplete and inaccurate book.
Well, I would not even think that I was closing the official book. Just closing the book here at the Milsurp Garage because we’ve gone through the interesting anomalies regarding the gun, it’s caliber, the shell casings, and the bullets.
As “gun people” we at the Milsurp Garage were able to explain a lot of “inconsistencies” that non gun people would have no choice but to attribute to evidence tampering because they don’t have the same knowledge as we do on the subject.
By all means, continue the research into their interpersonal relationships, and any other evidence that might look funky. As far as Oswalds gun goes, things seem to make a lot of sense to the “Gun” crowd, we have some answers that do not involve grassy knolls, that’s all I’m saying.
What did the shells look like after you fired them??? From the book Crossfire:
“In the 1980s, Texas researcher and veteran hunter Larry Howard discovered after buying an exact duplicate of Oswald’s .38 revolver that the .38 Special cartridges, when fired in a rechambered weapon, bulge noticeably in the center.
“I have checked this with several expert gunsmiths. Since the rechambering cannot change the diameter of the cylinder, but only makes it longer to accept .38 Special ammo, the bullet bulges in the middle when fired. I’ve done it time after time. My wife can notice the bulge. The case looks like it’s pregnant. Studying the shells depicted in [evidence]...it appears to everyone that the shell cases in the National Archives [supposedly the casings found at the scene of Tippit’s death] do not show any bulging at all. This indicates to me and other experts that those cases could not have been fired from the .38 Special that was supposed to belong to Oswald.” “
I recommend you read “with malice” by Dale K Meyers. Great book, sounds like it’s right up your alley. Specifically, check out page 315 which shows the recovered cases from the murder scene and the obvious bulging. Pretty sure I showed this book and that photo in one of my videos on this topic if it wasn’t in fact this video we are commenting on.
You have an exact duplicate of the revolver right? Did you fire .38 specials in it? If so, was it bulged or “pregnant” in the middle? And if so, could you send me a photo of it? Thanks.
@@mtdouthit1291 I do not have a duplicate of the revolver Oswald used.....I was posting videos revealing the research I was doing related to my 1966 Model 10 .38 cal revolver.....going down a rabbit hole so to speak. Check that video for info.
Oswald didn't kill officer Tippit, and to say that Oswalds gun is the gun that killed Tippit definitively is a slap in the face of the truth because you can't come to a conclusion that it was Oswalds gun, when the a Warren Commission (which is beyond laughable) couldn't come to the conclusion either and they supposedly had all the evidence. Here is what was said regarding the bullets recovered from Officer Tippits body and the shell casings recovered at the scene.
Of the four expended cartridge cases found at the scene of the Tippit murder, two were of Western Cartridge Co. manufacture, two of Remington-Peters. The autopsy of Tippit, however, revealed three bullets of Western Cartridge Co. manufacture and one of Remington-Peters.
But the Warren Commission couldn't determine that the bullets recovered from Officer Tippits body, were fired from Oswalds revolver. Funny fact though.. The same mixture of ammunition was found to be in Jack Ruby's Colt Cobra 38. I should also note that none of the witnesses identified Oswald as the person who they saw shoot Tippit until after they were taken to the police station to view a lineup. But not to go down the rabbit hole, but I have to add this one thing when it comes to Kennedys death... Remington Fireball... Thanks for the video...
@@westdeuce Rubbish. Oswald was seen by two dozen witnesses and police killing Tippit, fleeing, reloading, exchanging words with one of them, hiding out, ducking into the theater and getting caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later.
Of course the bullets matched to his revolver. What, a conspiracy knew it could safely count on exactly the right ballistics experts on both the Dallas PD and the FBI to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence (thus confirming a conspiracy exists to each one of them) and make themselves all loyal accessories to murder and treason?
Oswald...Jd Tippett and Jack Ruby knew each other...they were seen together at Ruby's club by a dancer that worked at the club ....
Your implicating a cop in a presidential assassination conspiracy who was shot and killed in the line of duty by said assassin because of a claim made by a club dancer?
Oswald...Jd Tippett and Jack Ruby knew each other...they were seen together at Ruby's club by a dancer that worked at the club": Any particular reason you think that was a credible source??
@@peterfraser9070 LA State Trooper Frances Fruge testified that Rose Charamie (the "credible source" that frantically predicted the location and time of the assassination two days prior to it) also said that Oswald and Ruby knew each other, and may have had a sexual relationship. More gays! Charamie died violently, of course.
@@dphinman6952 Wow, you also probably think the motorcade route was changed last minute and that the Secret Service themselves decided they wouldn't get on the limo.
@@peterfraser9070 Oswald was an American hero, penetrating the USSR at the height of the Cold War as part of Angleton's false defector program, knowing full well that he could possibly be tortured to death for intelligence. To falsely blame this man and shame his descendants for the assassination of JFK in the face of so much exculpatory evidence and evidence of conspiracy, before and after, is tragedy and travesty.
"(Oswald) had the fingerprints of intelligence all over him." - US Senator Richard Schweiker (Church Commission..)
Very nicely done! I appreciate your interest in finding the facts, and distinguishing them from myth and speculation. Nietzche said that "Beliefs are a greater enemy to the truth than are lies".
Love that quote, thanks. Works well on a few of these comments here!
Crazy cool chit.
If poster is correct, how can the smell of gun smoke reach the area near the grassy knoll 2 to 3 seconds after Oswald’s shots from 6 th floor hundreds of feet away?
Believe me when I tell you, witness statements are a conglomeration of inaccuracies.
Who says it was gunsmoke?? How can the smell of gunsmoke stay in a car all the way from Dealey Plaza to Parkland Hospital?, like Yarborough said? I don't think it can.
If poster is correct, how can the smell of gun smoke reach the area near the grassy knoll 2 to 3 seconds after Oswald’s shots from 6 th floor hundreds of feet away?: LOL, so someone smelled something and you think it makes sense to throw all the evidence out the window? Do you have any more asinine questions??
With a 15mph wind west to east???
@@dphinman6952 "With a 15mph wind west to east???": Huh???
@peterfraser9070
- Neither Weitzman nor Boone were ever cross-examined or questioned by an adversarial attorney or reporter.
- Neither Weitzman nor Boone were given the opportunity to examine the Carcano and answer questions under oath to describe in detail both their mystical processes in identifying the Mauser, and then determining if it was indeed the rifle that Boone found, all closely observed, and deliberated upon with Fritz, Day, Craig, and whatever other officers were involved in the discussion.
- Constable Weitzman a graduated engineer and the senior officer of the two, was never questioned by the commissioners!!!
- These highly curious shortfalls don't happen in a professional investigation.
They only happen in the Warren Commission accessories-after-the-fact world of magic bullets, shape-shifting rifles, bi-locational wallets, and repeated, mathematically impossible, witness death "coincidences."
@peterfraser9070 again, you and your deep state propaganda colleagues are laughable frauds.
Still waiting for a lone-nutter explanation for the wallet Oswald "dropped" at the Tippit scene. Does an explanation exist?
Who says he even dropped a wallet there? That just sounds like more shady conspiracy crap.
Is it nuts to imagine Tippet was approaching asking for ID?
Funny, I run a gun channel and this topic was just to examine "gun stuff" but I see now that this "JFK Assassination community" is a very vocal, opinionated, and divisive one.
I like the exchange of ideas....so many theories. Can't help but feel that the conspiracy theorists would benefit from actually studying the science of the ballistics related to the case though. Seems like some might not have even watched the whole video........
Is it nuts to imagine Tippet was approaching asking for ID?": It doesn't seem nuts, no. Unfortunately, he came down the the street at the wrong time - cause that wingnut Oswald happened to be there.
@@peterfraser9070 Tippit was a conspirator. Look what he said to his son that morning. Why did Oswald carry two wallets?
@@MilsurpGarage both guns were planted. Seamless frameup with ballistics evidence.
I know this comment has nothing to do with Oswald killing Officer Tippit. But how did Jack Ruby get thru the police and walk up and shoot Oswald point blank ? Can someone please elaborate?
Same reason the president was driving around in public in an open top Lincoln convertible. Security was looked at a bit different back then.
Oswald was an American hero, penetrating the USSR at the height of the Cold War as part of Angleton's false defector program, knowing full well that he could possibly be tortured to death for intelligence. To falsely blame this man and shame his descendants for the assassination of JFK in the face of so much exculpatory evidence and evidence of conspiracy, before and after, is tragedy and travesty.
"(Oswald) had the fingerprints of intelligence all over him." - US Senator Richard Schweiker (Church Commission..)
He sure showed us that the Carcano only FEELS like junk.......
@@MilsurpGarage that's exactly why the Carcano was planted, because it shoots magic bullets.
@@MilsurpGarage Carlos Hathcock, the top sniper of the Vietnam war, could not replicate Oswald's alleged shooting performance and stated it was an impossibility.
Is there any evidence Oswald showed up at the post office and presented the Hidell ID and got the rifle, or revolver, and was later positively identified as doing so?
I didn’t see anything about eye witnesses, just signatures and the fact that Oswald had fake ID in that name in his wallet.
@Milsurp Garage and another wallet turned up with the same ID's. So, there is no way anyone can say 100% that those weapons belonged to him. Could very well be that he was told to order them that way.
There is zero evidence that someone seen Lee pick up any weapon at the post office. However, even though today’s postal regulations strictly forbid someone picking up mail at someone else’s box, back in 1963 one would presume that it would be allowed from time to time. So I’d say the answer to the question if Lee received weapons at his box would be inconclusive. Now the reason I state that just isn’t because nobody saw him pick it up. Have you ever heard of informant “T2” ? That would be postal inspector Harry Holmes. He was an informant for the FBI because the FBI was monitoring Lee’s mail. We know this to be true because there is evidence of a photo copied piece of outgoing mail that Lee mailed months before the assassination. So the real question is this: If Lee really did get a rifle and revolver delivered to his post office box using an illegal alias, why didn’t the FBI do anything about it back in Spring/Summer of 1963 when it was supposedly delivered? You’ve got an alleged Soviet defector, an alleged Pro-Castro agitator receiving guns illegally in Dallas. Again, why didn’t the FBI step in? The best explanation that I can think of is that the FBI somehow got word that Lee was a CIA asset and to leave him alone. Can I prove that? Of course not, but well respected journalist Jefferson Morley stated a few months ago that he read unredacted documents that stated Lee was a CIA asset during the FPCC operation ran by James McCord in New Orleans. I’m sorry, but there is way too much smoke here for it all to be a coincidence.
@@mozboywiEXACTLY.
@@ubon11 excellent points there in your comment .
an interesting fact about the pistol is that is was sent COD , cash on delivery .someone had to pay and sign for it . again there is no signature of receipt of the pistol and no record of who paid the cash .
regarding the rifle you are in essence correct . there was not one witness who said oswald took receipt of the rifle . some P O boxes are larger and some are smaller . we must remember the carcano even when broken down was 3 feet long . that throws up a problem . what happens if mail / a package arrives at the P O box and is too large to fit in the P O box ? . well researchers went and spoke to the post office about this and asked what the policy in 1963 was . the answer ? well a large item would be stored elsewhere in the post office , a card etc would be placed in the PO box of the person in question , the person would see it , would see there is a large package waiting for them . they take the note to the front desk of the post office where a member of staff will get the item for them . as it was a weapon (and there might be certain legal issues ) there may also have been something for the person receiving the weapon to sign or fill in .
also the post office said that if they received mail in a name NOT LISTED on the P O box that their policy was to endorse the mail with a message saying ADDRESSEE UNKNOWN or similar . and that the mail would be returned to sender . A HIDELL was never listed as a recipient of mail at oswalds P O box . we know that from the FBI (the FBI in fact told the warren commission via a document that hiddell was never listed on oswalds p o box ) , in addition we know that not even marina was listed ONLY OSWALD .
harry holmes told lies in his testimony , he is a man that warrants a much closer look for sure .
Allen Dulles to Curry: "Is there any truth to the rumor that Tippit was involved in narcotics?" (4H 177-178)
Dulles didn't deal in rumors, he dealt in INTELLIGENCE.
Tippit was dirty.
Yeah, but our Judicial System deals in EVIDENCE.
@@MilsurpGarage intelligence REQUIRES evidence. The WC never pursued Dulles' statement. They weren't interested in exculpatory evidence, Rankin famously remarked that the WC was concerned with "Closing doors, not opening them."
Great New Info And Thanks For The Honorable Mentions 😀 The Kennedy Assassination is a Fascinating Subject 😀😎😀 This Was an Interesting Topic For Sure
"Closing the Book"? Which revolver are we talking about? The one on Oswald? Or the one found at the crime scene? Or possibly the Automatic as indicated by the officer at the crime scene who initialed and called in the hulls he found, and stated they were from an automatic? But yet never ended up being entered into evidence, but both the revolver and an extra wallet were found at the crime scene and later filmed on WFFA's nightly news.
Tippett might have been a family man, but there is some compelling evidence that he was involved with a waitress whom he worked with at Austin's BBQ, and oddly enough, she was known to live on 10th street, And a couple of witnesses said that Tippit's car was located in front of the House where "HE LIVED". Which is nuts because he lived nowhere near that house and his route was nowhere near that neighborhood. Another interesting thing about the guns, A Heidell ordered the gun and Hoover said that it was a WOMAN and that a WOMAN Picked it up at the Post Office. This might explain why Ruth Paine had it stored in her garage for 6 months before the Assassination.
The Kennedy Assassination created, hands down, the most numerous and intricately constructed conspiracy theories. When I “closed the book” it was a book closed only in the Milsurp Garage on the “Oswalds revolver” particulars as this is a gun channel where we study some pretty intricate gun stuff and we certainly came up with tons of answers to some questions posed about the revolver and cartridge cases that the layman might not have the gun knowledge to conclude.....phew.
All your other claims may certainly be valid......I’m aware of all the time and research the Kennedy assassination people put into their work. We just looked at the gun stuff......and found some real answers to some of the questions the “non gun people” were posing as “conspiracy material” which helped us closer towards the truth.
Thanks for tuning in!
Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching armchair detectives and crackpot idiots accuse her of being a conspirator in murder and treason without evidence so long as it suits there crackpot "theories..."
Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing.
He owned and was in possession of the gun the shells were matched to.
He was plainly seen trying to hide from and dodge passing police.
He was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
He fought police so violently 3 officers were were injured just disarming him.
He observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing.
😆😅😁😀😃😄😂... Harvey Oswald did not shoot Tippit.
You have some pretty interesting JFK stuff on your channel I’ve never seen before. Thanks for watching.
Harvey Oswald did not shoot Tippit.: Sounds like you're talking about a different person. Is that what you're doing?
In that case we look forward to you explaining what "Plan B" was if Tippit simply outdraws and captures the Oswald impersonator who attacks him, blowing the whole plot then and there.
@@aaronz7056 . "The shell at the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38 rather than a pistol. " - DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill's police radio dispatch from the Tippit scene. (CE 1974, p.78)
@@peterfraser9070 . "The shell at the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38 rather than a pistol. " - DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill's police radio dispatch from the Tippit scene. (CE 1974, p.78)
Any of the double-lone-nutters out there have a realistic theory on Ruby's motive for murder? His love and devotion for the Kennedy family doesn't seem believable. Ruby was an intelligence asset. He had to know that shooting Oswald was a suicide mission.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t.......
We will never know the real truth. Everything else are supposition theories.
Beliefs are a greater enemy to the truth than are lies
LuckyLarry, “everything else are supposition theories.” Your words not mine, I take it that you are referring to the Warren Report which clearly is a theory, and a very poor one at that.
Pallin never addresses the evidence I list in my comments, just heaves insults.
@@aaronz7056Oh, Aaron. The traitor is back....😂
@@TheListOf Your meaningless non sequitur is noted.
is this video a joke? J.D. Was killed either by Dallas P.D. The guy who was on lunch break, or rack jewby 's hitman/Oswald double......Oswald was on a bus at the time J.D. Was shot in the face with a automatic piston, not revolver(Oswald gun)....my grandma knows more than this guy
I know Oswald did it but now I want to know who A.S. Habbick was/is........I found a few other comics by Habbick, one was even in "The Saturday Evening Post".
Yeah, very collectible stuff. Original signed prints are worth a fortune.
Yes Oswald acted alone, the evidence was outstanding.
It’s certainly possible.
You obviously aren't aware of the Chicago assassination plot that was foiled just days before Dallas.
Don't feel bad, the Dallas Secret Service junket wasn't made aware of it either.
SS Chief Rowley was PROMOTED by LBJ after the assassination.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
You should read Case Closed by Gerald Posner. Its the best single volume on these events. No conspiracy.
I’ll take a look. Thanks.
@@MilsurpGarage Milsurp Garage, you would be doing yourself a great disservice by wasting your time reading Posner’s basically plagiarized book. You would besmirching the memory and legacy of President Kennedy by doing so.
@@MilsurpGarage Don't listen to Pallin, he just follows me around RUclips heaving insults and constantly refusing to answer direct questions or explain away all the evidence of Oswald's guilt.
@aaronz7056 LHO guilty? I missed the trial. Maybe you should look up the definition of "alleged."
@halcolombo6380 Thanks for the heads up!