Joe Rogan FACT CHECKED On The Resurrection Of JESUS! (Key Errors)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In this video, @MatthewVMitt and I breakdown a recent conversation between Joe Rogan and comedian Chris Distefano on the Resurrection of Jesus. Enjoy!
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When questioned about the resurrection of Jesus, why doesn't anyone ever mention the apostles and how they all (except one) died horrible deaths because they would not confess that Jesus did not rise from the dead? No one would die the way they did for a lie.
Apparently u never never heard of jonestown. 600 people committed suicide plus 100 children because Jim Jones told them to. They absolutely died believing he was a prophet. The resurrection is an extraordinary claim that does not have extraordinary evidence. The bible is the claim not the evidence.
because thats just a bad argument lol. Maybe against some layman or some low tier inquirer, but thats not strong at all. There a bunch of people in history that have died horrible deaths for lies they’ve made. Its a nice antidote maybe for “evidence” but never a serious argument
i would personally never use that as a main argument
How do we know what happened to all the apostles?
@@troysuu1781 because… history.
Exactly.
Today is 9/11, an impact event. If you're 30 or above, you remember where you were on 9/11. The Resurrection was an "impact event" because people don't rise from the dead every week or day. Impact event. He rose. He's God. ❤
💯 hey O, God bless you today : )
@Jerryman1158 gtsy!!! See you Lord Willing on Allie! Still praying for you Brother!
Frank turrek? Amazing ❤
You may remember where you were. But you likely don’t recall much detail of the actual event. Impact events cement your emotions and your position during the event. Not the event itself. And after years of discussion and retellings. Unless you were actually living in that part of New York that day, your impact memory likely elucidates next to nothing about the actual event.
@@OrcaneVault you also remember very specific details, alot of them. You must be a youngin. Now, don't make us roll up this newspaper 🗞️
It’s so funny that these same people believe Alexander the Great, and other ancient Egyptian pharaohs and things of that nature without a second thought, but a guy with about 5000 times as much evidence is dismissed without a second thought.
lol. Claims about Alexander or pharaohs are not extraordinary. If u claim they rode flying carpets, that claim requires extraordinary evidence just like claiming someone arose feom the dead after 3 days. The vible is the claim not the evidence.
Claims about Alexander or pharaohs are not extraordinary. If u claim they rode flying carpets, that claim requires extraordinary evidence just like claiming someone arose from the dead after 3 days. The bible is the claim not the evidence
Exactly!
Can you name a supernatural claim about Alexander the Great that historians believe? Do you think atheists actually believe he was the son of Zues? Do you think he was the actual son of Zues?
@spacemoose4726 Does not have to be a supernatural claim , we're you there to witness what Alexander did , how do you know he's not taking credit for what History says about him , you see where your Athiest argument fails , you want to say what happend and what was witnessed about Jesus ( GOD) is not enough evidence, but Athiest daily believe in things they have Never witnessed or even have a shred of evedince to back up the belief , but you believe it without question ?. So why should what a Athiest claims be held as truth , Nobody alive today lived in the passed or witnessed any of that History , yet you Wil accept it 100% , because some man said it was so. Difference between what GODs deciples and man's word , GODs Decisoles all died horrible deaths for what they believed , let's go throw you in a pot of Hot Oil for believing a lie , and see if you willing to die for a lie.
"The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing." 😊
It’s foolishness to any critical thinker.
@@horridhenry9920 No, it's not.
@@horridhenry9920 Who told you that you think critically?
@@jesusknight1 “Nah ha” ?
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 My professor at the school of critical thinking. Now you know.
"Very dumb people believe things" is not a valid argument. It's just a dismissal. Very smart and sane people also remember things they actually saw.
If and when one meets Jesus, he or she will know.
Many smart individuals believe in dumb things too. Intelligence (and knowledge) is not binary.
We don't have groups of people who saw Jesus after his death, we have writers who claim that groups of people saw him.
Sane people saw things therefore aliens are real.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Its still a claim. Why not just show me someone can "die" for 3 days and be resurrected in a controlled environment? That would be extraordinary and meet extraordinary criteria. Otherwise, there is no good reason to be convinced zombies can live.
Frank turek said it best: "When the titanic sank, 3 different news papers gave 3 different reports on how many people died. No one said the titanic didn't sink."
There are thousands of followers right now, who you can go talk to, who witnessed the Hindu guru Satya Sai Bab perform miracles. Do you believe them?
If one of the stories said that the Titanic floated 100 feet into the air and did somersaults for ten minutes before finally sinking, would you believe that?
I don't have a problem accepting that Jesus existed and was crucified. It is the coming back to life bit that I don't believe.
@jsmall10671 cool? What about the Marian Apparition. Thousands of people saw that! Lol, does that prove catholicism? Miracles won't prove anything when every religion holds claims to miracle.
@thehanukkandor590 there's scientific proof of the resurrection. You're probably the athiest, so there's no point in explaining it.
@@frankcastle9691 If there is scientific proof, you don't need to explain it. Just post a link to where we can read it.
Proof is proof, it doesn't depend on anyone's beliefs. If you have actual scientific proof and someone denies it because they are an atheist, then they are the fool.
I'm open-minded, please post a link to your proof. I'm atheist at the moment, but I won't ignore a genuine scientific proof.
Mass hallucinations doesn't happen. I'm a health care professional who cares for psychiatric patients.
😂As opposed to resurrections which happen all the time
How about the Fatima sun miracle?
@@valinorean4816 The sun that day was indeed different, so those kids where right that something would happen.
@@funnygaming2672 yeah the sun was really dancing in the sky??? also Bart Ehrman mentions Marian apparitions
Indeed mass hallucinations do happen. The Salem witch trials are on example but there are plenty more.
Joe doesn't realize that it would have been extremely unpopular and perhaps downright dangerous to be making these claims of seeing Jesus after his death.
*doesn’t care
* intentionally doesn't accept
thumbs up... exactly. What do you expect from the embodiment of what a worshipper of Mammon is and a son of pride and perdition.
His heart is darkened at this point. He doesn't WANT to believe. He's searching for worldly proof for an otherworldly God who has hidden himself.
So sick and tired of the heavy censorship of my comments and replies. Let's try again differently: "I know the resurrection is a fact, and Watergate proved it to me. How? Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, then they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Every one was beaten, tortured, stoned and put in prison. They would not have endured that if it weren't true. Watergate embroiled 12 of the most powerful men in the world-and they couldn't keep a lie for three weeks. You're telling me 12 Apostles could keep a lie for 40 years? Absolutely impossible." ~ CHARLES COLSON
Rogan is willfully obtuse.
On purpose. That means giving up a atheist hedonistic life. A number one podcast, $200 million dollars, everything that you can't take with you when you pass away. Maybe a bridge too far.
💯
That's not a fair depiction of him. He has conversations with lots of people and does the same in almost every episode. He has a conversation, tries to learn, and pushes back on topics. To me, he comes off as someone who is trying to honestly learn something new.
Yep. I was like him, very recently.
@@oreally8605 You don't need to "give up" anything to be saved, you believe the Gospel message that Christ was crucified, buried and rose again on the third day in justification of your sin. That's how you're saved.
I laughed when Rogan said “scholars from 2,000 years ago” I instantly knew he didn’t know what he was talking about
He has a point though. There's no good evidence that 500 other people (a nice round marketable number) saw Jesus. None of these 500 had ever written about this experience themselves or had someone else write about it. It's far more likely that is was made up
There were historians who existed in Biblical times, and some of them addressed Jesus' life and ministry. Josephus, Suetonius, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger all wrote about Jesus to various extents. The Mishnah did as well, describing Him as a sorcerer or magician. No 1st-century Jewish tradition would openly cop to that, because it would be seen as heresy (which is one reason the Sanhedrin and the Romans crucified Jesus in the first place).
@@Moviefan2k4 yes he’s saying only scholars that affirm Jesus were from 2000 years ago, no one today does is what he was alluding to
Neither does anyone in the video.
I know I wouldn't die for a made up scam.
“Scam” how?
He means he wouldn't die for a lie, ie, scam.
All the disciples died horrific deaths and none recanted and said it was a lie.
Thousands of maryrs, as well. To this day...see Africa, China, Middle East, ...
@@JoeandAngieyeah I’m aware of that. But he’s saying it’s a scam?
@@dbyspae122 His disciples died for believing in Jesus.
And how many more after them.
Would you give your life for something you're not sure of?
@@JoeandAngie Thanks, absolutely right ❤️
“Misremembering” or blasphemy against Roman paganism/ Jewish Torah also led to the death penalty Joe ….Anyone speaking for Jesus back then didn’t have any human rights and was putting their life to get the truth out
As if human rights would exist without Christ.
That’s a good point. Many were willing to die for Jesus which together with all of the other evidence makes a very strong case when looking at it only from a factual basis. But as many of us know when you open yourself to God the spiritual changes in your life are undeniable. He really opens your eyes and changes your heart.
Beat me to it, well said!
@@stevendouglas3781 "Human rights" in this context means protection of the law.
@@oz_jones atheist cope.
Right, so 500 people just hallucinated Jesus risen from the dead. Do you know how stupid that sounds? 🤨🙄
500 people is a claim. The bible is the claim not the evidence.
@@Sciences0311 No, my friend. The bible is historical evidence.
@@janna4994 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yea? A book that makes extraordinary claims is not extraordinary evidence if the thing its attempting to prove is because "it says so"
@@Sciences0311Yes, which the Bible and historical documents provide. Also, science is not incongruent with God.
@@happyappy19931 Sorry, a book that makes extraordinaey claims is not extraordinary evidence of the thing in question. A statement, no matter how old, that says "Jethro rode a magic carpet"... Is not extraordinary evidence that this occurred. Makes sense?
They believe that it is impossible for a man to raise from the dead because they haven’t seen it, but believe man came from rocks, bananas, and monkeys without seeing it. Both would be a miracle, but in their eyes one of those is ridiculous, absurd. 🤷🏼♂️
Who believes that man came from rocks bananas and monkeys?
You're creating a strawman
We have fossil evidence of animals that are very similar plants. The skeleton of a primate with human traits. We can see microscopic life forms that share all the traits of other animals and plants.
No dragons, magic, Jedi, or gods.
Who believe that, apart from ignorant Christians?
@@stevenbergeron2188 well said 👏
😂
I find it interesting that Joe Rogan is completely open to believing the handful of credible people who claim to have witnessed UAP, but he’s completely closed to believing those records of people claiming to have witnessed Jesus’s resurrection.
Naaa I find it more interesting that he’s more open minded about DMT jesters being real 😂😂😂
So Rogan is willing to have faith in history books and historians for Gengus Khan but not for Jesus. Sounds about right.
Yes, we believe in more recent and more evident historical event. WW1, WW2...etc. Because we have actual records, and physical Remnant.
Actual records…
You mean like the Bible?Josephus? Tacitus?
@@mr.q337 Yes, we do. But modern society willfully, and by default, denies things if they're related to the Bible for some reason, and get excited about just about any other historical study about anything else. And pretty much all the time giving the benefit of doubt for the other historical study, but no, not for anything related to biblical history. I need someone to explain what's that about?
@@sauliruottu5871 Modern society accepts Plato, Socrates, accounts of Alexander the Great and many other historical figures with far less proof than biblically recorded events. The KJV Bible has more than 5,000 surviving remnants. Some of which date back to a couple hundred years before the Lord Jesus was born which are word for word translations to modern day KJV bibles. No other historical documents on any other subjects are as accurate as the Bible. Additionally there was mail back in the day of Jesus and letters have been discovered of people writing from Jerusalem to Egypt describing the resurrection of Jesus. There is also a letter from Pontious Pilot to Caesar that goes into great detail of the resurrection. However none of these things are needed as proof for born again believers. You either believe and have faith the Lord Jesus was God the Fathers Son, born of a Virgin, that he lived, died, and was resurrected of his own power, or you choose to not believe. You can choose to either believe and live with Jesus for eternity or choose to be separated from him for eternity.
I didn’t know Genghis Khan, claimed to be the resurrected son of God ?
Joe Rogan and his views about anything is Unimportant to me.
Joe: People are dumb they see things they want to believe.
Also Joe: Ancient people were very smart and talented.
My question to Rogan would be 'Are you asking to understand the gospels, or just to debate?'
What about the soldiers guarding the tomb? Did the disciples overpower them and steal the body ? I think not
Moreover, did the stone have to be rolled away for Jesus got get out? No. So why was it rolled away? It wasn't rolled away for Jesus. It was rolled away for us!
@mikerukavina4551 amen ,hallelujah my friend!!!
The whole story is a claim. The bible is the claim not evidence.
@@Sciences0311 There is evidence outside the Bible as well (including from non-Christians). 5,800 Greek manuscripts exist and more.
@Sciences0311 yes they claim George Washington lived ,but I never seen him. I read his letters and visited his supposed house ,but that's just a claim.
Has anybody ever asked Rogan if he's ever actually read the Bible?
Most Christian’s have never read the whole Bible. I’ve read the whole Bible, and studied it, and I do not believe its central claims. I’ve also read other works of theology and do not believe their claims either.
@@horridhenry9920 why would the 11 apostles be willing to die for a lie they were all willing to die spreading the word of Jesus saying he rose the dead because they all knew it was true if they were all covering up hiding the body in 11 people willing to die for that that doesn't make any sense I don't think anybody would be willing to die for a lie about a hoax or joking around hiding a body and also going throughout the world and spreading who Jesus was. 11 people aren't going to die for a lie about somebody rising from the dead people that believe he rose from the dead the 11 remaining apostles were willing to die because they knew he rose from the dead in a song so it was so convinced that they were willing to die spreading who Jesus was because they knew he was the Messiah
@@horridhenry9920so what lol
I read the bible, I went to both Catholic and Lutheran schools. I'm from Asia, so we expose to Buddhist scripture too. I studied Theology and learn a few things from my fellow Muslim friends. Although I like most of their teaching, but each one of them have flaws, yet everyone claim their way is the truth.
@@horridhenry9920 You are not good at lying.
Sorry but citing “mass hallucinations” is such a weak argument that it’s mostly just a rationalized dismissal. The danger involved with saying you saw Jesus resurrected at that time was so high that lying about it would be completely nonsensical. It only makes sense that they were being courageous enough to stand by the truth.
And to say it’s less logical that a “dead guy” rose from the dead ignores that the whole point of this is that Jesus was more than a normal guy.
Name one of the 500 people who claimed to have seen Jesus? You can't because all you have is one person writing a story of someone else being told that there were 500 people who saw the risen Christ
The guy who's trying to convince him is hugely ignorant of the facts of the gospel narrative.
Some of the most amazing things to me about Jesus Christ's Life and Resurrection is that the disciples and followers, who fled in fear for their lives on His arrest by the romans, suddenly became fearless evangelists who faced torture and execution rather than deny seeing and touching the resurected Christ. They obviously experienced something profound and life changing to effect them so dramatically! Also Jesus performed many miracles, described in the gospels and also recorded by those who accused Him of sorcery and witchcraft and who wanted Him destroyed and forgotten. Another major confirmation is that Christ's life and actions fulfill Old Testament Prophecy to the letter!
Exactly. What changes can cause our human nature to suddenly be suspended?
1 Corinthians 1:18
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
"But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know.”
- Celeborn
Which god - at last count there were 486 different gods in different religions.
Typical cult command written by Paul. Modern Christian's should really be called Paulists. They follow Paul not Jesus.
@@exponentmantissa5598 Honest question, were your born after 2000 A.D.?
Amen. Thumbs up. Also this;
1Co 2:14 But the natural man _[the unsaved]_ receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual _[truly John 3:1-21 qualified]_ judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man _[aka unsaved and false converts/disciples]._
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we _[true born again / John 3:1-21 qualified believers]_ have the mind of the Christ.
A VERY very sloppy defense of the Resurrection.
That's the only kind of Christian he will ever invite onto his show. At least Ben Shapiro had the balls to invite William Craig.
read the forbidden book Magnetic Aura on Borlest, and you'll see the secrets they're keeping from us.
@@LyKimTai its a scam
What's the book about?
@@OCD-GUYsatanic manifestation wishes.
@@AlrightDave 😁👍
@@OCD-GUY also, the amount of likes the original comment got are all from bots... There's no way that amount of Christians will like this book/comment
Hey Joe, did you talk to the people who witnessed Lincoln give the Gettysburg address?
Dumbest comparison. We have actual photographs of Lincoln actually existing. That lends more credence to him giving a speech.
@@krumplethemal8831 I could go back another 100 years about many other historical figures but my point is made. He's choosing as well as you are what evidence fits in your world view and then defend it
@@John14-6... World view lol..
Christianity was and still is a first century apocalyptic cult. It was meant to be used to unite Roman gentiles and Jews to overthrow the Roman occupation of "Jewish" land. Hence the revolt in 70 ad.
@@krumplethemal8831 That's like saying your ancestors from 200 years ago didn't exist. Think a little.
@@sauliruottu5871 No, it's saying that specific ancestor may not have lived.
If you haven't watch or read the movie/book Case for Christ. A rabid atheist turned believer wrote it. He was attempting to disprove the Resurrection and spoke to modern experts that were believers and non-believers alike and when he could not disprove the Resurrection he became a believer
Lee Strobel is one of the worst apologists I can think of, other than Ray Comfort.
If you believe that Strobel story you'd believe anything, his arguments and reasoning are beyond poor.
My father in law who is a Lutheran Pastor gave me that book after we had a chat about why I lack belief and my intelligence was insulted after I finished reading it.
I actually still have the book, its full of highlighter marks where i went through the whole book and marked all the problems with it.
If you don't want to be be laughed at please don't mention Lee Strobel to any Atheist who has read his book.
Do you know there's a counter argument to that book called "The case AGAINST the case for christ"?
You should read it, it'll show you just how poor his arguments are
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
@@valinorean4816 The fact you trust a pseudopigraphica full of specious spurious claims shows how successful Soviet re-education was in churning out 'atheists'.
Lee Strobel was NEVER a 'rabid atheist'. Don't bear false witness.
@@valinorean4816 Why would the Romans stage a resurrection? Makes no sense. In the natural context, in which everything was created from nothing, matter is eternal. How was everything created from nothing? Something outside of the universe did it.
***An atheist scientist VS actual honest competent historians***
"Accounts of Jesus' resurrection and ascension are about as well-documented as Jack and the Beanstalk." ~ Richard Dawkins _[New Atheist, Zoologist]_
"I claim to be a historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of _[the]_ Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history ... " ~ Edward Blaiklock, _[Professor of Classics, Auckland University]_
"It may be taken as historically certain that Peter and the disciples had experiences after Jesus's death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen _[the]_ Christ." ~ Gerd Ludemann _[Atheist New Testament historian]_
“That Jesus’ followers (and later Paul) had resurrection experiences is, in my judgment, a fact. What the reality was that gave rise to the experiences I do not know.” “Paul’s tradition that 500 people saw Jesus at the same time has led some people to suggest that Jesus’ followers suffered mass hysteria. But mass hysteria does not explain the other traditions.” “Finally we know that after his death his followers experienced what they described as the ‘resurrection’: the appearance of a living but transformed person who had actually died. They believed this, they lived it, and they died for it.” ~ E. P. Sanders _[New Testament and Pauline scholar]_
“Most striking perhaps is that fact that Jesus appeared to Paul. Paul hated Christians and was hell-bent on destroying the church. What transformed him from a persecutor of Christians to a pastor, who was willing to endure extraordinary hardship to proclaim the Gospel? Paul claimed it was the resurrection. This also indicates that Jesus didn’t just appear to friends or followers who might have been predisposed to think high and exalted things about him. Christ appeared to skeptics (James) and unbelievers (Paul) and they were convinced based on the reality of the resurrection.” -- “When Jesus died the disciples were discouraged and fearful. But a few weeks later they remerge as individuals committed to boldly proclaiming the resurrection of Jesus to the point of death. What caused this radical transformation? They encountered the risen Christ! The James mentioned above is likely Jesus’ brother. Remarkably, James didn’t believe in his brother during Jesus’ earthly ministry, an embarrassing detail the Gospel writers wouldn’t have made up. In fact, John 7:5 just states, “For even his own brothers didn’t believe in him.” But we also know as a matter of history that James becomes a leader in the early church (Galatians 1, Acts 15), worshiping his brother as messiah and Lord to the point of eventually dying for that belief.” ~ -Christopher Price _[Theologian]_
Dude obviously does not understand the Bible. The guards of the tomb of Jesus Christ reported to Caiaphas that the Lord Jesus Christ has resurrected from the dead. It was Caiaphas who told these guards to make a story to the Romans that the Apostles stole the body of Christ.
Frank Turek once said, A mass hallucination would be like this, wasn’t that a great dream we had last night? Dreams are not shared jointly within a mass group its individual and hallucinations are the same way
JESUS is 'GOD' who came in the flesh. Son of GOD and son of man. HE is our only hope of eternal life. Because if HE is not risen then no one has any hope of life after death. The Roman guards colluded with the Jewish temple authorities due to the severe penalty (death) they would face with the body of Jesus missing.. plus the Jewish priests would be in trouble since Jesus said he would rise from the grave, and then how would they explain that to the people. So the priests and Roman guards agreed to lie to cover it all up. JESUS IS LORD!
Prove it
@@crazyprayingmantis5596I have listed just some of the scriptures for my response..there are many more so I would encourage you to do your research and check it out in the bible (the Word of GOD). Also, 🎉 ask the HOLY SPIRIT to help you to know truth. (I like the nkjv or the complete Jewish study bible).. Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, 1:1,14, 2:19-21, 10:17-18, 5:26, 10:30,38, 11:25 Acts 26:8, 10:40, 13:30, 3:15, 2:32 Mark 8:31, 10:33-34 Luke 24:5-7, 44-47 Romans 8:11, 10:9-10 Matthew 28:11-15 Romans 3:23...a great research book for your questions would be Josh McDowell's 'EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT'...and I wish to leave you with one more consideration. Blood has a voice, a frequency which has been proven scientifically. When anyone stands before GOD, the creator, and sin is present (which Everyone has) blood is required. And everyone has a freewill choice to choose whose blood will speak for them. The sinless blood of Jesus speaks 'forgiven' whereas our blood speaks guilty. Their choice will determine where that person will spend eternity. GOD loves you. Please choose wisely. Hope this helps prove what I said earlier.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596this is my 2nd attempt to respond to your comment since the original response was scrubbed? : here are some of the scriptures to support my comments above, but please do your own research in the bible (Word of GOD) and ask the Holy Spirit to help you find truth.. Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, 1:1, 14, 2:19-21, 10:17-18, 5:26, 10:30, 38, 11:25, Acts 26:8, 10:40, 13:30, 3:15, 2:32, Mark 8:31, 10:33-34 Luke 24:5-7, 44-47 Romans 8:11, 10:9-10, 3:23 Matthew 28:11-15....another good research book to get answers to your questions is Josh McDowell's "'EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT"....I leave you with this thought, that Blood has a frequency, a voice that has been scientifically proven. And when someone finally stands before the Creator GOD and has any sin then blood is required. That person has a freewill choice to decide whose blood will speak for them. The blood of Jesus speaks 'forgiven' whereas your own blood will speak 'guilty'. So according to your choice your eternity will be determined. GOD loves YOU. Please choose wisely. Thanks
Joe admits he doesn’t know shit but gets so arrogant when people disagree with him.
Thomas the disciple who was very critical about resurrection got convinced and he travelled to India (Kerala). Preached Jesus's gospel, did many miracles, built 6 churches and got killed in another city Chennai.
Suggest ya all check on the science of the Shroud of Turin! As science continues to advance, the fact of his resurrection is becoming indisputable, of course, there will always be doubters, no matter the proof, given the reason, for living by faith!
The shroud doesn't line up with the description from John himself. Therefore it must not actually be Jesus. A few years ago a guy was able to almost exactly recreate the shroud by painting an image on glass and laying linen under it and the sun. Thats probably how it was made.
@@bodvarson1933 Almost exactly is NOTHING for today and almost exactly 2000 years ago is ridiculous. If they can't duplicate it perfectly today, they absolutely couldn't do it 2000 years ago. The argument is DOA.
@@beadoll8025 ok let me rephrase. Nate Wilson has been able to perfectly recreate the shroud save the way it looks because you can't perfectly recreate the actual way it looks perfectly, which the only difference. At the end of the day, actual scripture describes how christ was buried and the shroud doesn't reflect that. So right now you need to decide if you will stand by a piece of fabric or the word of God.
@@bodvarson1933 he actually got it in reverse, the image is the scorched part, not the shadowed part; additionally, he doesn't have the comic-book-like dotted image of the shroud, because he used paint as a shadowmaker, while in reality a semi-transparent cloth was used for a partial sunlight opening
@@beadoll8025 I talked to an expert and he wasn't able to dispute that the radiation that created it was that of the sun (shaped by covers appropriately)
Great to see Matt on this program! Went to high school with him. Hi, Matt!
Who is this? :-)
According to the Scriptures after the crucifixion Jesus's disciples were barred in the upper room expecting the Romans to come, collect them and kill them as well. After Jesus appeared to them in the upper room they boldly went forth and spread the gospel across the land, they knew that they saw and talked with Jesus and their initial fear had vanished. - - - If you are unwilling to believe in the Creator of Everything; God the Father and His Son; Jesus then you are doomed to be deceived into believing in evolution and ETs (aliens) as our progenitors…. God help us all not to fall victim to this “great deception” in the name of Jesus, Amen! (Psalm 14:1 KJV, Matthew 24:24 KJV, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV and to avoid deception John 3:16 KJV) Fear not! All that can be will be saved!
Good on Chris for explaining what he knows about the resurrection. For a comedian to do an alright job at explaining it, massive props for him to stand his ground on it. ❤
One good argument is that the disciples were so sure they saw Jesus risen that they told this same story over and over and even upon threat of death didn't change their story and many were put to death because of it. IDK anyone who would die for a lie just to trick some ppl.
A. How do you know he as really dead, and not just passed out?
B. If you believe the story as written, do you believe that patriarchs rose from their graves to walk around? And why didn't Roman records mention that?
Rogan says the culture was not that bright back then, yet they were sophisticated enough to collect taxes, create irrigation systems, establish trade routes. Mass hallucination has never been attested to, stealing the body doesn’t explain the gruesome martyrdom not only of the disciples but enemies of the cause who also converted and were killed. Rogan seems to think he’s the smart guy that has thought about this enough debunking the resurrection, all alternative theories don’t fully account for everything that modern day scholars today agree happened. If there was an affirmed alternative theory it’d be in the textbooks by now.
100%
Exactly with out technology and power tools…they were more skilled than we could imagine
Well stated and well-read. Amen. Thumbs up.
@@SouthpawSparky_ Thumbs up.
LOL, you think the three things you mention require a civilization to be super sophisticated? I guarantee, if we placed you in that area with your family, within a couple of years, you'd figure out how to irrigate your farm properly even if you'd never seen anyone else do it. Because we are much more educated in the scientific method.
Now use that method to examine these claims and you'll see how flimsy they are.
Worth remembering that William of Ockham was himself a Franciscan Friar who believed that Jesus died and rose again
Why is that worth remembering?
Centurian, Roman soldiers became believers, because of this. Roman Soldiers knew what happened. They knew he died, they knew he was in the tomb dead, and they knew he resurrected.
The Romans also had some 30 soldiers Garding his tomb, because Christ said He would be raised on the 3rd day. The Romans panicked and said "We have to have guards watching the tomb, so the other followers don't steal the body, and then claim he is alive again. Well, 30 soldiers weren't going to let anyone take Christ from the tomb, because those soldiers would be in big trouble if he was found, not to be inside. Which is exactly what happened. Christ has risen. He is The Son of God.
The romans could have easily squashed Christianity at its most fragile state - the death of its founder- by showing the body. But couldn’t . Chritoa Annesti , Alethos Annesti .
Joe Rogan is the same guy who sits and ponders on the existence of aliens and is infatuated with the “ other dimension “ DMT takes you to.
If I answered Rogan, I would say that just a few weeks before Jesus' resurrection, He rose Lazarus from the few days rotten body dead where all people in the village saw with their own eyes. So, it is logically easy for Jesus to rise from His own death.
Or that the story of Lazarus is also complete nonsense and didn't happen either, which is infinitely more likely
Cool, did a single one of those witnesses write about this experience? Or are you just going off of one author claiming they all saw it?
When thousands of Indians say they saw Satya Sai baba perform a resurrection with their own eyes, do you believe them?
@@ironheade22following your logic. It is easy to say that you are and everything that happened in your life is complete nonsense in 2000 years from now. Because, the people in the future will also demand the proof of your existence using their level of documentation of things. Exactly like what you and Rogan do now. Which is completely stupid.
@@jsmall10671 Hundreds, perhaps thousands, saw Abraham Lincoln give the Gettysburg Address. Or, using your logic, they didn't.
Jesus Christ is alive and well at the right hand of The Father. Jeremiah 29:13 "And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." These words are true. How? Read the Gospel, repent if you are already able, ask him in great humility and earnestness if he will reveal himself. It works.
So he didn't die for anyone's sins after all.
What's his address I want to send him a letter?
No he's not. Christianity was and still is a first century apocalyptic cult.
Amen......by the way 'right hand of the Father" is not literal, it's symbolic.
@@fifofum5168 Blasphemous reprobates, abominable fools.
Impact event, i still remember exactly what i was doing on this date 23 years ago. People remember something as impactful as 9/11 and people absolutely would remember Jesus rising from his tomb 3 days later.
Sound like you’ve been listening to Frank Turek. Memories are constantly being remade in our brains.
Amen.
@@horridhenry9920 Eisegesis, the refuge of the fool.
Nobody actually saw him "rising from his tomb", maybe a couple people saw him sitting in it.
@@horridhenry9920 I saw the birth of both of my kids. Or maybe that was some unknown lady? Shakes head...
Jordan Peterson is going around saying Joe has found Christianity, I think this proves otherwise. Joe is also wrong, to think we know more than people from the past is a mistake, so is placing your faith and beliefs in science. People now days know what they are presented and taught, who is to say this is the truth? We rarely get the truth. Jesus is the way to God, this there is no question about, and nothing much else matters. Don't believe this at your own peril.
Joe Rogan being so adamant talking about Ghengis Khan... I mean, were you there? Did you talk to those people? I mean... a lot of people have mass hallucination... lol
Ironically Joe actually proves one of his own points; he rightly says people can convince themselves of anything, and this is true, so much so that God had it said in His word first, that our hearts are entirely wicked and lead us astray, and that the wicked will be deceitful even with themselves to avoid the laws God has written in our hearts. “Did you talk to them” he asked in those clips referring to the eye witnesses, that’s odd because large portions of the laws and practices we as humans in the west follow, come from the past from individuals who did and decided things witnessed by others we’ve never met or heard of, yes the foundations of society lean on them. It’s been calculated, there is more evidence for the resurrection than that George Washington was a former president.
Occam's Rzor is a generalisation, literally. From a logical perspective and consideration, it is neither abolsute nor necessary. When it comes to considering the validity of the ressurection claims , it should be noted that, according to the apostle John, the account of mracles contained in the gospel narrative were when a great many people were still around to verify them.
According to skeptics, everyone who witnessed anything miraculous were supposed to write about it. Nevermind that many could not read or write, or that the skeptics would not believe what they wrote anyway. It's like herding cats with these people.
Yeshua is purest soul ever walked on earth ❤
Or his followers want you to believe that.
Who gives a flying crap about what joe rogan thinks. At the "
End of the day , all that matters is what you think and if Jesus is in your heart. We know the truth Because we all feel jesus in our heart and that's proof alone.
The Jewish rulers made up the lie, according to the gospels. The lie was that the soldiers fell asleep, and the disciples stole the body. Problems with this: 1. If the soldiers were asleep, all 100 of them, under penalty of death, how did they know it was the disciples?
2. Why weren’t the soldiers punished for not guarding the tomb?
100 soldiers? I see no sources whatsoever who claim that there were 100. Do you have a source?
@@jsmall10671 Even if there was a source, why would you believe it? It's historical and not to be believed. I can use the sam arguments as you guys.
@@jsmall10671 you’re right. I read-read it. Just some guards. Not sure how many. Thanks for keeping me honest.
Flavius Renatus wrote a book that Napoleon carried with him everywhere called the military institutions of the Roman legion. The book was written at the request of Caesar in the 300s if I remember correctly. It was an examination of the Roman legion during the first century because they had never lost a single battle in the entire century. And Caesar wanted to know how to run his army since Rome was declining. The tomb was guarded by 16 men most likely who would be put to death as a group if one person was caught sleeping. They would do this publicly so that the occupied people would see if we do this to our own, what will we do to you if you do anything we don't like? That punishment would be carried out within hours by the rest of the legion with rocks and clubs ONLY so it was as brutal as possible. And the argument is that a handful of apostles, a 14 year old boy and a couple of women came in the dark of night and rolled a 2 Ton Stone UPHILL and stole the body of Jesus, while the soldiers slept? These soldiers were required to hit an 18 inch Target at 70 ft with a 1 lb rock and sling. They carried a sword and an assortment of Spears. If the seal was broken, every one of those soldiers would die. Does anyone think with everything that went on during Resurrection weekend that those soldiers allowed the apostles to steal the body of Jesus? Because I think that's more fantastical than Resurrection from the dead💥
So why in the wide world of sports are 16 super soldiers guarding dead bodies of common criminals?
@@jsmall10671 That IS the question!! Obviously, because Jesus told the Jews that he would rise from the dead so they had Roman soldiers posted by the tomb so that his followers couldn't come steal the body and say he rose from the dead!! And what did the Jewish leaders do? They covered for the Roman soldiers and paid them money and took care of their lives by talking to pilot and getting their stories straight
@@jsmall10671 Because those who advocated for his death had heard the claim that he would rise, so they asked the Romans to post troops there.
Be hot or cold, don't let yourself be lukewarm. Don't be a fence sitter like Joe Rogan 6:50
That's untenable. There are PLENTY of things that we simply don't know and can't claim true/false.
5:40 - Bro's if you're looking for the peer reviewed document (mass hallucinations) Rogan is so adamantly referring to its - (Rogan, 2024)
Lol, well played.
“People will die for a lie that they believe is true, but NO ONE will die for something they know to be a lie”.
No two people can have the same hallucination, let alone 500 people have the same hallucination.
1 person can make up the story of 500 seeing Jesus.
@@friisteching3433 Except that Paul said that, at the time of the writing, that most of those people were still alive, indicating that the reader could very well check the story out.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 But we have nothing to confirm the story, no writings of the event from any of those people.
1 person can make up the event.
What would happen if people put the same amount of doubt and uncertainty on other historical figure????
What other historical figures people believe came back from the dead..Alexander the Great said he was Zues son... you think people still believe that?
Depends on what the claim is.
If other historical figures are claiming that they violated the laws of nature then there will need to be some pretty extraordinary evidence for that.
But if they're claiming they went to the shop and bought a carton of milk then the evidence required would be significantly less don't you agree?
Yep, none of us believe that Alexander was fathered by Amon-Zeus as he claimed, that Vespasian, performed miracles as claimed by Tacitus, Suetonius and Cassius Dio, that Apollonius of Tyana performed miracles as claimed by Philostratus, or that Justinian was a headless demon as Procopius claimed.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Carton of milk, or anything else; we all choose to believe or disbelieve all historical evidence.
@@ronaldmorgan7632
What historical evidence is there for the supernatural?
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Do you have evidence that christ himself spoke to you?
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@@jsmall10671 Should we believe anything you say? After all, you could be a bot.
@@HydroDAVb3astLove it, Christ is Lord.
Xenu talked to me and he said if I didn't get alien souls out of me then B-52s are going to bomb all the volcanoes on the planet.
One who refuses to believe is going to turn to annny excuse to deny the reality of Jesus Christ's deity!
Belief isn't a choice, we're either convinced or we're not.
I can't choose to be convinced and neither can you.
Why don't you just choose to believe that Unicorns exist?
His disciples would not have allowed themselves to be put to death for something that they knew was a lie.
4:25 "it can be a religious thing" it was, Joe! It was!
He also let Doubting Thomas put his finger through the hole in Jesus hand ✋️🙏
I don’t know if you’ve ever read the gnostic books of the Bible, but the book of Thomas gets wild lol
That's a claim with no evidence.
@@jsmall10671 How do we know that Jesus existed, despite historical writings from both Jews and Romans? According to you guys, there is nothing that proves historical evidence.
500 people having the same hallucination is far less likely that “a dead guy rose from the grave.”
The fact that there's high level discussions about the existence of the historical Jesus means that there's no clear evidence of him being a real historical person
I wouldn’t comment on the plot, summary, much less critical analysis of Harry Potter if I hadn’t actually read it.. and yet we commonly have the “Jesus hung out with prostitutes” guy who thinks he knows the contents of the Bible
Rogan never has anyone who can legitimately stand up to the scrutiny of these biblical events
The fact that his disciples went to their deaths, torture mostly, because they knew without question that Jesus was the Son of God, proves to me that he was exactly that.
Assuming people who lived before you are dumber than you and therefore can't be believed is the height of hubris.
Jesus is still appearing to people. Many of us have had supernatural experiences involving him directly. He is real. Christianity isn't a religion, it's a reality!
LIES and FALSE TEACHINGS bring the DISHONOR, DOWNFALL, and ETERNAL DEATHS of MANKIND
The BIBLE exposes
that
the Satanic LIE and false claim that the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist
and
the LIES and false teachings and doctrines of the ANTI-CHRISTS about
"hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
will
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists
who
obviously let themselves be lied to, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, exposed by Jesus Christ thousands of years ago as the Father of Lies and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The BIBLE is the source of the TRUTHS
that
1. submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ in obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
will
definitely bring honor and GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
and
2. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
the guarantee
that
all the lowly, kind, considerate, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity
as
submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
under
the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@chelleb3055 absolute rubbish. Even if he is then this omniscient god is an evil being. Has he been seen in a children’s cancer ward !?
@@richardkirkham8064 I do understand, but this world is not permanent. It is a sandbox level to test us all. Those children who suffer and die are part of His plan and their pain isn't in vain. We can accept it or not, it doesn't change reality.
@@chelleb3055 I say that’s evil. Pure evil if it were true. My opinion is that people are brainwashed with this mentality. If there is a god then it sure as hell isn’t the one you are ‘praying’ to. What a fcked up plan he has !
If 500 people, including Romans saw Jesus wandering about over a period of six weeks after his apparent death, then why wasn't he arrested and investigated?
How do you arrest a figure who can instantly disappear then reappear somewhere else?
The term Christian is a derogatory term at the time like calling someone a fool or idiot it was meant to mock them . Eventually being the title of a follower of messiah.
So, following Christ making one a Christian is derogatory? Not following.
Mann, they forget soldiers were guarding the tomb, so is he trying to say that those soldiers conspired with the disciples?
Not to mention, people back then who were criminals, let alone crucified.. were buried in a rich man’s tomb & had expensive spices and oils to prepare the body for burial. 🤔
Were not*
500 people don’t just see a dead man walking
Maybe a man who had passed out.
Yet they did.
Gary Habermas needs to go on Rogan
People die for what they believe is the truth but nobody dies for what they know is a lie. The Lord's disciples fully believed in Him.
We don't really have evidence that all of them died martyrs.
@@jsmall10671 There is zero testimonial evidence to the contrary.
@@jsmall10671we demonstrably do,
don’t be ignorant.
All you have to look at are the deaths of the disciples. Many died horrific deaths and none recanted their account of Christ's resurrection. No hallucination would ever cause people to go through that amount of pain and not change their story.
So the people who saw Satya Sai baba perform a resurrection? Were they hallucinating?
I think the most important fact was left out. That PEOPLE WHO DENIED HIM BEFORE HIS RESURRECTION. ALL SUFFERED BRUTAL DEATHS FOR THIS SO CALLED LIE/STORY when all they had to do is just say they made it up.
People do not die over a lie. You couldn’t find 12 people to lie to keep themselves out of jail let alone 12 to cover a lie to the death.
And these were tortuous deaths.
There are also 1.8 billion people who believe Jesus never died on the cross and that it was made to believe he was. Belief is a strong mentality. Joe is just having an open mind, he's spoke with a wide range of people and minds.
Joe Rogan: Did you talk to the 500 witnesses?
Christian apologist: “no”
That’s the end of that conversation, there’s literally no point in talking about 500 witnesses no one has ever talked to or can even name one witness
The only reason anyone believes there were 500 witnesses is because some dude who wasn’t even around when Jesus was said to be alive said there were 500 witnesses and that’s it.
It’s honestly laughable any time a Christian makes the 500 witnesses claim.
The only fact about Jesus’ resurrection is that we have ZERO evidence of the resurrection
I know Jesus is real because in 2013 I awoke to a stranger in my bedroom, in my home, I couldn't move my limbs, he told me three times Jesus is coming. Then after a long time he disappeared in the blink of my eyes and I was immediately released to sit up and move my limbs.
This year at a christian tent meeting revival my wife was healed of a brain tumor and fibromyalgia after being prayed for by a gospel singer/christian evangelical preacher.
So athiest , muslims, buddhist, communists can deny the reality of christ Jesus but I know for a fact based upon numerous more experiences besides these ones I've recalled.
"Oneday every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess , Jesus the Christ is Lord."
If Jesus was not raised from the dead our faith is useless and dead as well. If the disciples knew or thought that He was not risen they would be equally convinced of the fact that their belief in him was no longer valid and that would have been the end of Christianity. The fact that Christianity gained momentum and went all over the world is clear evidence of the reinforcement of their faith because he was indeed risen and we as believers can take comfort in the fact that our Lord is who he said he was. The massive movement that flowed from these events attest to its validity and the belief that it instilled in the followers of Jesus that went out spreading the word at great risk to themselves.
PLANET EARTH with NO BIBLE, NO GOD, NO JESUS CHRIST
Atheists
who are asserting and claiming that GOD doesn't exist and the BIBLE is not the "Word of God" and source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
KNOW
and are fully aware that they will just turn into worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths
but
DON'T KNOW
and can't understand that the UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about
"hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
will
definitely bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS
to
Jehovah's Witnesses. SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions.
SUBJECTS and CITIZENS of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
Thousands of years and nothing has changed,
GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is still
NOT for Atheists and believers of the LIES and Unbiblical teachings of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions
but
ONLY for lowly, kind, considerate, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
still the guarantee
that
lowly, kind, considerate, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity
as
the earthly subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
under
the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
The disciples didn't see him rise from the dead. They heard he was crucified and a couple days later, they saw him walking around. Or maybe they saw him on the cross, no books address that issue, but they only saw him taken away, and saw him again a few days later. Maybe.
@@jsmall10671 Ummm, seeing someone alive after being crucified kind of means that he was raised from the dead. His mother, the disciple John, and a few other women watched his crucification. Joseph pleaded with Pilate for Jesus' body and took him to his own tomb where he was anointed with oils as was customary.
Nothing fucks me off more than people misusing the word ‘conspiracy’ and conflating the word ‘conspiracy’ with the term “conspiracy theory”.
The unquestionable proof of Jesus is the feeling/power and supernatural experience you get when you fully open your heart to him. The problem is finding the complete willingness to be open to this experience. Once you do it becomes personal truth
Yeshua flipped Occam’s razor on its head though.
“The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
It would be simpler to say the body was stolen, But God.
You're just assuming the answer.
Love Crissy Destefano. Idk why Joe is so unwilling to entertain Christianity. He always comes across as very dismissive
Joe Rogan once said White nationalists are never correct about Jews… lmao.
Thank God. The day Joe comes back to Catholicism (preferably Orthodoxy but I love my Catholic brothers and sisters) is going to be a great day!
Why would those disciples all live their lives for Christ and die as martyrs if they conspired to steal and hide his body? They saw the resurrected Saviour. That was the motivation that drove them to give their lives for Christ.
Maybe only Mary and her other children were in on it.
So what Roman records do we have of eyewitness accounts of jesus’ resurrection?
Its sad how he's so willing to believe in little green men with no objective proof, yet he is so unwilling to look into who Jesus really is.
He says "people are not smart and are easily led". Yet you read Paul's letter and definitely would come to a different conclusion. He was a student of Gamliel, the chief pharisee. If anyone knows Jewish rabbinic culture, they would know that to study under the highest ranking Rabbi, you had to have an extremely high IQ to be selected for discipleship. EVEN PETER admits in his letters that Paul's writings can be hard to understand. Joe is just ignorant of all this of course. I pray for his soul.
Paul was only going off of other people's stories, just like you are doing and members of every single religion on the planet do, some of whom are extremely intelligent.
I have been a skeptic most of my life. One of the sworn skeptics. Until I felt the Grace of God, since that day I have been convinced beyond any doubt that God is truly Alive. Jesus Christ transcends any logical explanation. Only by grace and through the heart can we understand.
This whole conversation..... "Blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe, for my Father in heaven has revealed these things to you."
When One has to resort to "mass hallucination" as an argument...
...One has no argument.
"Every historical statement in the world is believed on authority. None of us has seen the Norman Conquest or the defeat of the Armada. None of us could prove them by pure logic as you prove a thing in mathematics. We believe them simply because people who did see them have left writings that tell us about them: in fact, on authority. A man who jibbed at authority in other things as some people do in religion would have to be content to know nothing all his life."
-C.S. Lewis, "Mere Christianity"