You could have absolutely gone to 30 amps on the 7000 Honda. We use that generator in the film industry to run Arri M40 HMI lights. You simply bond the two 30AMP connections out of the generator so you can draw up to 60AMPs.
I've had experience with Honda equipment for a while including lawn mowers, trimmers and snow throwers and I can say that they have been awesome machines. The next piece of power equipment I am planning on buying from Honda is the smaller EU2200i generator.
@Joshua Eaton my dad used a CPAP machine and he would just drive back into town every night. But if you want to camp just do it in a designated RV camping area and no one will care. But if you're out in national forest etc people in tents might get annoyed. Polite thing would be to use a generator in RV camping areas only
Joshua Eaton Not sure about yours but most CPAP machines use between 30 and 60 Watts of electricity. Even if you assume 80 W, you could run it for 24 hours with a 2 kWh solar generator (the solar panels charge the battery during the day) for clean, quiet power. Even if the panels didn’t fully recharge the battery, you would have a couple days of reserve power. Worst case, drive into town every few days to plug the battery in to recharge it.
It's easy to find campgrounds that have 220V electrical hook-ups and many will have hourly rates for EVs. I think this video should have been called: "can you use a generator to charge an EV?"
at ~5KW it was charging ~13 miles an hour and would run ~7 hours on 5 gal of gas. Roughly 18 MPG of gas. Better than I expected given all the inefficiencies and conversions doing it this way.
@@0xsergy I've never had electric at tent sites. Tent sites are usually the cheapest because there are no hookups. It all depends on the campground or area you're in. If you're near suburbia then possibly. I've camped multiple places in Alaska and in British Columbia at state and private and never had electric for tent sites. Now I prefer to camp dispersed up in the Rockies so if I bring a generator I have electric :) though I've accumulated enough DeWalt stuff to where I just bring a bunch of batteries for heat, light, fans, and radio and heat stuff up on an unleaded stove.
Just what I always wanted to go camping and spend the whole weekend charging my car up so I can drive home just in time to charge up for work on monday, lol.
@@55afishead Well, I have knowledge and it isn't all sunshine and rainbows either. If you are charging your EV with an engine, then just use a car with an internal combustion engine. This EV nonsense isn't really great for the planet requiring power generated by fossil fuels (in the US fossil fuel electricity is the largest piece of total energy production while in Canada, most of our electricity is generated by hydro-electric generation and a close second being by CANDU nuclear power, which is mostly in Ontario) as well as mining for the precious as well as hazardous chemicals and metals, often not highly regulated for the environment and then there's the issue of end of life where a good 90% of the battery becomes warehoused because there isn't really a financially viable method of separating out the toxic powder known as black mass.
You can camp in any car depending on the mattress or pad size. Tesla's are cool cars but you can get an i3 for 14-20 used. Not everyone wants to spend 40k on a base model car.
Had this very same question regarding camping in Colorado with an electric car and a generator and sure enough, the TFL guys have the exact video. Love all your channels.
17:15. To answer the guy: Yes, the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime can fit 5 full size adults comfortably, it can travel 80+mph in full electric mode, and yes it gets over 90mpg combined. In fact, mine gets over 217mpg combined because I rarely travel farther than 20 miles from home. But yes, the Ford Fusion Energy is a decent sedan. My brother used to own one, but the 2020 Prius Prime is definitely the better option
@@tfcooks Teslas having some system their developing where apparently you can store your power on your tesla and later sell it when the price goes up back to the city or bussineses. come to think of it its pretty insane that a car can power your whole house lol
So charging options are home, fast chargers, Tesla Super Chargers, RV parks, deployed solar arrays, and stationary or portable generators? This one is noisy but that’s a lot of options to get you that sweet feel of all electric power. I would charge the night before at home, supercharge as close to camp site as possible, use camper mode which automatically turns off at 20% and charge back up at the supercharger on the way home. If I stop for 10 minutes every hour or so to Supercharge, then I have just enough time to pee and get a drink. I drive another hour which is all my bladder can take after that big drink so I stop and repeat the process. It’s the same as road trips before except now I plug in and walk away while it charges instead of filling gas where you stand and stare at the gas pump filling the car with your cash.
I had a Mustang when I was in the US last year, and remote start was 100% reliable if I hit unlock, then lock, then start. It was a rental with no owner's manual in it, but I'd hope it says to do that in the manual!
Valderon : ...that’s sad 😢 when camping should be a way to get away from it all and people take it all with them. I guess we’ve been (mostly) fortunate
This series was really interesting. Where did part 3 of 3 go? Your videos are great but I find that your EV video series are often not completed. Maybe not enough views, I am not sure, but I am always left missing your final videos (etron conclusion, charging part 3 of 3 etc) Great work though.
At 10,000' you'll see about 30% power loss/reduction because of altitude. So that generator being 7,000W drops to 4,900W, which explains the struggle it was having.
Tommy needs to do some workouts to increase the speed on that pull a little. Quick pull starts better than a slow one. Nice job figuring out about the grounding, when you use a generator it should have a safety ground. The jumper plug is what I have used for years but I still have a ground lug and a old long screw driver I can push in the ground and pour some water on, it works good. When you run a motor home with a couple A/C units down the road with the generator on to power them I always worry about voltage on the body and someone getting a shock, but as long as it is not me and it is only funny I am ok.
I have the same generator and it works like a dream!!! When power is out Honda power is always there... i have use my dryer and microwave at the same time!
pro tip: fill your gennys with ethanol free to avoid the starting issues. Those little jets get varnish on them really easily. Had the same problem with my similarly sized Honda unit.
That generator specced at 6 hours on 5 gallons of gas at full load. They were 10 amps shy of the full load. At 20 amps, the Tesla screen said 15 miles per charge hour. After 6 hours, 5 gallons of gas, that 90 charged miles. Divide that by the 5 gallon tank, you get 18miles of charge per gallon used.
@@kingssman2 So, these guys are doing all this work for absolutely no reason. It would be better for the environment if they just drove normal ICE cars. Significantly better considering the amount of CO2 that is produced in the creation of EV batteries. Can someone inform in our government to put an end to subsidies on EVs already?
Oh please, people! Some of you commenters are being a bit too harsh and literal. I take it as just some fun insight as to how much it takes to charge these EV's. I'm sure they are not advocating charging an EV while camping - Thanks TFL!
The fact you have to now bring a generator along to charge a car, or in the event you have a loss of power and require a generator to supply power to the car is enough of a reason for me to never buy one of these past a 2nd or 3rd car or novelty. 2021 F150's can be ordered stock with generators, and most have 400 watt inverters in them. My 2017 F150 does. Which makes it far superior to a Tesla Model X in every category. It'll do 700 miles on a tank of gas at 78 mph or lower. Then it recharges in 15 minutes or less at a gas station.
My Generac 17500kw generator which I have converted to run propane has a 14-50 outlet on it but that system is solely for use at my home where I have a propane source and a Tesla Wall Connector in my garage and yes, the generator is grounded where I run it for power outages (Hurricanes) and the house is grounded as well. I would probably camp at a campground that already has power pedestals and is much quieter.
actually on that model smart car you can also adjust the amount of amps for charging I have mine set at max but there are about 3 or 4 lower settings and the smart can charge using 240 connector too
Surely in a good many parts of the US, solar power makes a lot of sense. Even on a cloudy day it generates power, and with the size of you guys' houses and roofs you could easily get a good bunch of panels up there. Free power! Then sure, if you're in the California (sunny place again!) wild fired and your power goes out, you've still got a few KW of power coming from your roof, which could be running your AC etc and the rest charging your Tesla all day while it sits in your driveway.
@@sonictech1000 you don't need to fully charge it but you will also never run out of power over a long period stay. You don't need to fully charge an electric car in a day remotely while camping from zero.
@@sonictech1000 I'd be thinking a lot more than a single flex panel. My solar panels on my home do 300 Watts a piece. 4 panels can easily produce 1kw. DC to DC would also improve transfer efficiency without the conversion losses.
You see those numbers on the side of the plug? That's a NEMA code. 14 designates the type of plug, 50 designates the amperage, R designates that its a receptacle. If it was a male it would be a 14-50P (P for plug). Same for twist locks although the code is a little different, twist locks will start with L designating it's a locking device.
Good stuff watching this 3 year old video. 17 KW battery in that Smart EV :) , makes me laugh. It would be fun to watch this video in another 10 or 15 years to see how archaic this all seems in the future. I can remember my grandfather telling me how he used to have to plan a road trip of a couple hundred miles and always cary spare gas cans with since not all small towns had gas stations around yet. The 1920's and 30's cars in severe cold winter would only go about a hundred miles per tank safely so it was survival planning for road trips at times back then. He said most people he knew at the time had never traveled over a 100 miles from their home in their lives. I'm sure a decade or so later made a bid difference back then and will again during this change.
The time to fully recharge an EV is a meaningless measure: if you had a 50000KWh battery it would take weeks, but who cares? What's interesting is the miles rechaged per hour, which is what the Tesla's screen display. And the miles one is interested to recharge, are the one to needed get to the next destination or, more often, just to a better charging location (faster, or just more practical, with food/services, etc.). One interesting thing shown is the versatility of an EV: in case of emergency/disaster, there are lot of ways to get energy from, gas included.
That one gets 96 MPGe and has a range of 325 miles according to the EPA. Though that will be greatly reduced if you are doing wimpy camping like these guys seem to do. No need for the truck for real camping.
You missed the point completely. Charging a Tesla at a rate of 14 miles/hr by a gas generator consuming fuel at a rate of X gal/hr will equal some real life mpg as demonstrated in this video.
@@steverowe2943 apparently you missed the point. Very worst case can you add some range to an EV if you're stranded with a generator. Yes. However I'd bet the idiots in my Tesla club would rather stay stranded than use this method because gas is the devil
@@steverowe2943 I didn't miss the point. Based on the efficiency of that generator stated by another comment it seems to be about 46 mpg. Far better than most gas powered cars. Though I realize a youtube comment isn't exactly the most reliable source.
@@tonyc6996 But.... if you're "stranded" how do you pack that huge generator in your Tesla? You need a big gas-guzzling truck to haul around the generator to charge the EV.
Sorry, I LOVE my Prius! 55- 60 mpg. Was very affordable at 17 K. ( used) and it has a spare tire. I can even sleep in it if there are bears or thunder showers.....
If you haven't already done this, the safest way to do this would be to purchase the Tesla NEMA 14-30 adapter, then purchase an adapter for NEMA L14-30 -> NEMA 14-30 (locking to non-locking). It will reduce the amperage to 24a (80% of breaker capacity) as you're not supposed to go over 80% constant current of the breaker. Tesla didn't have in mind folks charging their car with a generator since grid AC power is readily available most places.
Good thing campgrounds have power at the sites. Some have 220V in rural Canada thats how electric car owners charge their cars.funny but sometimes there are more campsites than gas stations in some areas.
This with 10 gallons of fuel (2 5 gallon tanks can fit in the trunk and fronk with extra room) effectively doubles your range. Or maintaining it the same in extreme weather.
Did the smart ed aircon works on summer? Some car says aircon, but turns out to be heater on the winter and just fan over the summer... also its great that tommy still address his dad with "dad". Not many young people show respect to their elderly these days.
I've seen a few of these types of exploratory videos and the anticipation is really fun. GM has a pickup with a 1/7 v8 generator and bed plug already??
AMAZING!! 20 hours and 10+ gallons of gas later you have extended your driving range by 200 miles. Oh wait I can extend the range of my Ford F150 by 200 miles using 8 gallons of fuel and it takes me less than 5 minutes. This is amazing progress. LOL!!
At 2200 watts it is always going to be a 1 or 2 mile per hour of charge - better than nothing in a pinch. A lot of vids leave people with the impression they can get back on the road in 10 minutes. That being said, I only have 240 volt here and a 11 KWH battery house system so I don't charge off the house without running a 6kva over the top of it - unless its sunny and the panels are giving 1500 watts or more in which case it is fine. A lot of people think they are going to run a little genny in the boot and cheat the system (lol) but they forget about conservation of energy completely.
The dumbest aspect of the gasoline powered “Smart for Two” product is the requirement for use of premium octane fuel. In Florida, the price penalty is typically some 60 cents per gallon!
The new 2020 Smart fortwo EQ's have a 90 mile range will charge up to 22KW per hour & charge from 10%-80% in 40 minutes. To bad they are no longer available in the US
Three videos, 25 minutes and 6 commercials and I finally found the 30 seconds where they plug in a 240-volt plug and charge the damn car. Touché RUclips.
With a Passport America membership, you could pull into an RV park for about $15-22/night and have unlimited, quiet power in 240v/50a for Tesla, 120v/30a for Smart car, and 120v/20a for camper, from the same pedestal. You'd burn that much in gas, for the generator, in a night.
great video. as well as the other one with the smart car. i have one too, from 2015. but i am in germany and have the 3 phase 22kw onboard charger, what makes the car even more valuable and even capable of longer distance drives (possible 1000 miles in 24 hrs!!!)... but this just aside. you could have been able to charge the smart with the smaller generator, by using a "charge-box" like a "go-e" charger, or "energy kick" (if they are available in the US?). so if you limit these mobile charging boxes to lets say 6A, or maybe a bit higher, you can charge the smart easily. maybe event the tesla with up to the 1700 continuous power limit of the small generator. but since the tesla uses way more power for its "standby", the efficiency will go down of course. maybe you test it next time and make a new video? would be great. thanks for your work. ps. btw. these boxes (go-e charger i.e.) can simulate the grounding, so you can charge a vw e golf too! :)
What an exorbitant amount of unnecessary steps just to have a warm fuzzy feeling about owning a electric car and trying to adapt it to a every day solution that's all ready works well with fuel driven cars
The future is as follows: Camper will have solar panels on the roof with two awnings with solar panels which can have about 3kw of solar panels(using conventional current technology panels). You will have more effecient panels which will give you around 7kw for that area. You will tow a caravan instead. You will plug it into the car while you are out playing. You will look for a sunny spot instead of a shady spot. The panels will provide the shade and keep things cool. At 7kw you will be able to charge in about 15hrs if sunlight (about a 2 day stay). Then you will not have to worry about carrying enough fuel for the trip. As long as you have enough food and water your range will be unlimited.
Wow reading the comments, it is funny how many people seriously think Roman is going to mount that generator in the trunk of the Tesla and run it as he drives. Good god do people not get what they are showing. They are not telling you to take your Tesla out in the woods offroad with a big assed generator and charge it all night. Roman when you go to wire that to your house if you need help hit me up, I will try and help you.
Agree with the Ford Fusion assessment. I've owned 2 of them. Ride better than a Lexus. Smooth and silent. Better mileage than the Toyotas and Hondas with a lot better handling.
You cant charge and drive at the same time but there should be an emegency function or socket to drive the power on direct power from the generator. Im sure that honda has enough to get the car moving. Maybe not high speeds but enogh to drive.
"1:00 The question we are gonna try to proof today?" Sounds like the outcome was decided upon already. Furthermore it does not matter how long it take to charge to 100%, important are the miles you can charge in an hour time when the battery is at a soc < 50%
That is how my house is setup, power goes out, generator automatically kicks on. I have an LP 8KW generator, so not huge, but if i need to charge my tesla, I just slow charge it via 120v and get 5mph, which is fine in an emergence.
No one gonna mention that they should've unplugged everything when starting and turning off the generators? Oh and for the Generac, Tommy needs to slowly move the switch over to run, not all at once. 🤦♂️ Obviously need some more practice with generators but otherwise, Great video. 😂🤙
I'm guessing about 20MPG. Honda claims 5.1 gallons with a 6.5 hr run time at rated 5.5 kW. They were a little under that, so about 7 hours per tank. Tesla's screen showed about 20 hrs? 0 to hero. About 14 or 15 gallons worth. Probably less fuel consumption at altitude, but still can't get away from the incredible inefficiency of the ICE generator. The generator being under 20% efficient?
While the premise for this video is interesting and good fun, it is also silly. Would you take 25 gallons or more of gas to the campsite to fill the truck to completely full?
@@CuzRepo The Smart Car is a city car, why take that camping? Even still, it had 1/2 a charge. They never showed the range left for the Tesla. Both EVs likely had more than enough energy to get to a charging station. I''m sure many campers get gas on the way home. I still question the premise. Who fills up to full at a campsite?
Honda EU7000is, 5.1 gallon gas-tank, appx 18 hours worth of running time in "Eco mode", six hours at full load (which is what their doing here)....Got a pair of full Jerry-cans on standby?
And where do you think much of the power at your local plug comes from? Recycled unicorn farts? (one would hope it's not from natural gas / diesel because that's expensive.) Depending on where you are, ~20% is from nuclear, ~17% renewable. ( www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php )
@@jfbeam In my area we get our electricity from hydro cus its cheaper. Eitherway we get hybrid efficiency so if your an environmental nut i guess its a good deal. not really the reason buy teslas tho.
You could have absolutely gone to 30 amps on the 7000 Honda. We use that generator in the film industry to run Arri M40 HMI lights. You simply bond the two 30AMP connections out of the generator so you can draw up to 60AMPs.
@@markplott4820 full size panels are just breaking 300W so thats 9+ panels
@@markplott4820 Still a lot of panels to setup at the camp site :)
@@markplott4820 can you give us the name of these 1000w panels
@@markplott4820 you're full of shit
@@markplott4820 1000w panels don't exist. Largest comercial panel available is rated at 500w. Teslas panels are rated at 340w.
You get what you pay for. The Honda generators never fail as an owner of 2 Honda generators. Plus the DB rating for Honda’s are outstanding.
I’ve wanted one of those for a long time. Probably not the big one but it’d be super useful during power outages
Mark Plott on order. 👍
I've had experience with Honda equipment for a while including lawn mowers, trimmers and snow throwers and I can say that they have been awesome machines. The next piece of power equipment I am planning on buying from Honda is the smaller EU2200i generator.
If I was camping and heard that noise id be pppppiiiissssseeedddd. lol
Yeah people with generators piss me off. I'm trying to go outside to get away from that shit. Go to a RV park
@Joshua Eaton my dad used a CPAP machine and he would just drive back into town every night. But if you want to camp just do it in a designated RV camping area and no one will care. But if you're out in national forest etc people in tents might get annoyed. Polite thing would be to use a generator in RV camping areas only
I highly doubt these folks are at a campground. Most likely dispersed camping for free out in the forest. No quiet hours there.
Joshua Eaton Not sure about yours but most CPAP machines use between 30 and 60 Watts of electricity. Even if you assume 80 W, you could run it for 24 hours with a 2 kWh solar generator (the solar panels charge the battery during the day) for clean, quiet power. Even if the panels didn’t fully recharge the battery, you would have a couple days of reserve power. Worst case, drive into town every few days to plug the battery in to recharge it.
It's easy to find campgrounds that have 220V electrical hook-ups and many will have hourly rates for EVs. I think this video should have been called: "can you use a generator to charge an EV?"
at ~5KW it was charging ~13 miles an hour and would run ~7 hours on 5 gal of gas. Roughly 18 MPG of gas. Better than I expected given all the inefficiencies and conversions doing it this way.
That Generac is probably afraid of heights. 8000' is too high for it.
State parks have campsites available with 120v and 240v ( 30-50 amps). Something to keep in mind for the EVs and the Camper
Definitely the way to go for ev camping, charge overnight.
Not all and usually only at certain sites, tent only would likely never have a water or electric hookup.
@@trevors8577 uh, I've definitely had elec at tent sites
@@0xsergy I've never had electric at tent sites. Tent sites are usually the cheapest because there are no hookups. It all depends on the campground or area you're in. If you're near suburbia then possibly. I've camped multiple places in Alaska and in British Columbia at state and private and never had electric for tent sites. Now I prefer to camp dispersed up in the Rockies so if I bring a generator I have electric :) though I've accumulated enough DeWalt stuff to where I just bring a bunch of batteries for heat, light, fans, and radio and heat stuff up on an unleaded stove.
@@trevors8577 i'm talking 4 hours from the nearest big city. i don't usually get the elec since they cost more but there is usually an option.
It would be so great to be camping next to you 3. Cameras rolling generator running and dudes yelling over the geni noise. So relaxing lol
Andre. To start the Ford by remote you have to hit lock once on the remote. Then start twice. It’s easy.
I love how when you close the hood on a Tesla it sounds exactly like my 1987 Suzuki Samurai.
Hoods, magic technology
Just what I always wanted to go camping and spend the whole weekend charging my car up so I can drive home just in time to charge up for work on monday, lol.
gunlover1955 I'm guessing you are 67 years old. Please educate yourself about EVs. You will blow your mind with knowledge. It's a wonderful thing.
@@55afishead Well, I have knowledge and it isn't all sunshine and rainbows either. If you are charging your EV with an engine, then just use a car with an internal combustion engine. This EV nonsense isn't really great for the planet requiring power generated by fossil fuels (in the US fossil fuel electricity is the largest piece of total energy production while in Canada, most of our electricity is generated by hydro-electric generation and a close second being by CANDU nuclear power, which is mostly in Ontario) as well as mining for the precious as well as hazardous chemicals and metals, often not highly regulated for the environment and then there's the issue of end of life where a good 90% of the battery becomes warehoused because there isn't really a financially viable method of separating out the toxic powder known as black mass.
@@WJCTechyman To each there own. Go buy an ICE car then.
Imagine camping next to 3 idiots charging their Teslas all night with a loud ass generator.
Plus the camera man.
Could be e worse. Imagine an idiot running a generator all night just to post stupid ass comments on a RUclips video.
@@TFLcar Is that what you're doing?
I find it funnier to imagine 3 idiots trying to fuel that ford with sunlight or wind. XD
Yeah, gotta love them YELLING at each other to be heard over the generator. Makes camping grand doesn't it?
That generator literally cost more than my car.
Same here
Well, I hate to say it but EVs cost more than your car too.
That's crazy because we have the same honda. Same exact one it is the most reliable on the market
You guys have no clue as to how many of my co-workers I have turned to your channel.😂
Keep up the great work 💪
This is pretty much how the BMW i3 works with the onboard Generator/engine to charge the batteries. But you don't have to stop! Thanks guys!
You can camp in any car depending on the mattress or pad size. Tesla's are cool cars but you can get an i3 for 14-20 used. Not everyone wants to spend 40k on a base model car.
bmw i3 is ugly. tesla looks like a spaceship
Had this very same question regarding camping in Colorado with an electric car and a generator and sure enough, the TFL guys have the exact video. Love all your channels.
17:15. To answer the guy:
Yes, the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime can fit 5 full size adults comfortably, it can travel 80+mph in full electric mode, and yes it gets over 90mpg combined. In fact, mine gets over 217mpg combined because I rarely travel farther than 20 miles from home. But yes, the Ford Fusion Energy is a decent sedan. My brother used to own one, but the 2020 Prius Prime is definitely the better option
ChrisCarGuy - ford licenses hybrid tech from Toyota. I've been out of the loop for a while but I'm sure this fusion isn't all ford under the hood.
During the California fires, one smart soul wired up his Tesla to charge his house. He never lost power.
I know a guy that powered his house with a 79 ford pickup every day for years. But both are pretty cool. 😉
I heard the Toyota Mirai's Japanese counterpart have an CHAdeMO port in the trunk to provide homes power in case of quakes or tsunami.
@@tfcooks Teslas having some system their developing where apparently you can store your power on your tesla and later sell it when the price goes up back to the city or bussineses. come to think of it its pretty insane that a car can power your whole house lol
@@honkhonk8009 Meh... You could install a larger charger to your car and then power your house from the ICE in your car.. :P
smart until the battery runs out and he's stuck without a car!
Part 3 ?
Still using gas 😂
Get lost today 😂😂😂 it cost more now and how is it earth friendly now as they say
So charging options are home, fast chargers, Tesla Super Chargers, RV parks, deployed solar arrays, and stationary or portable generators? This one is noisy but that’s a lot of options to get you that sweet feel of all electric power. I would charge the night before at home, supercharge as close to camp site as possible, use camper mode which automatically turns off at 20% and charge back up at the supercharger on the way home. If I stop for 10 minutes every hour or so to Supercharge, then I have just enough time to pee and get a drink. I drive another hour which is all my bladder can take after that big drink so I stop and repeat the process. It’s the same as road trips before except now I plug in and walk away while it charges instead of filling gas where you stand and stare at the gas pump filling the car with your cash.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who’s Ford remote start is finicky.
I had a Mustang when I was in the US last year, and remote start was 100% reliable if I hit unlock, then lock, then start. It was a rental with no owner's manual in it, but I'd hope it says to do that in the manual!
@@smokeymotorsport makes sense, wouldn't want the button to accidentally get pressed in your pocket so making a sequence to start isn't bad.
TFL would be the WORST camping neighbor EVER. Two generators and drone -
Sounds like most campsites I've been to...
Valderon : ...that’s sad 😢 when camping should be a way to get away from it all and people take it all with them. I guess we’ve been (mostly) fortunate
This series was really interesting. Where did part 3 of 3 go? Your videos are great but I find that your EV video series are often not completed. Maybe not enough views, I am not sure, but I am always left missing your final videos (etron conclusion, charging part 3 of 3 etc) Great work though.
3:31 oh that was almost it.... That wasn't even close... Boy am I used to hearing that 😂😂😂
When
Where is the link for Part 3??
At 10,000' you'll see about 30% power loss/reduction because of altitude. So that generator being 7,000W drops to 4,900W, which explains the struggle it was having.
so what does consume more gas gas cars or electric cars
Tommy needs to do some workouts to increase the speed on that pull a little. Quick pull starts better than a slow one. Nice job figuring out about the grounding, when you use a generator it should have a safety ground. The jumper plug is what I have used for years but I still have a ground lug and a old long screw driver I can push in the ground and pour some water on, it works good. When you run a motor home with a couple A/C units down the road with the generator on to power them I always worry about voltage on the body and someone getting a shock, but as long as it is not me and it is only funny I am ok.
I have the same generator and it works like a dream!!! When power is out Honda power is always there... i have use my dryer and microwave at the same time!
pro tip: fill your gennys with ethanol free to avoid the starting issues. Those little jets get varnish on them really easily. Had the same problem with my similarly sized Honda unit.
OR another option, go with a propane-powered gen-set or install a propane adapter on a gasoline generator.
The newer ones are designed for E10, just make sure you run the carb out of gas. Most have a fuel turn off.
What was the MPG of the generator + EV? Can you put a gallon in the generator, and see how many miles are added to the EV?
I wonder if you get a MPG that’s better than ICE
That generator specced at 6 hours on 5 gallons of gas at full load. They were 10 amps shy of the full load. At 20 amps, the Tesla screen said 15 miles per charge hour. After 6 hours, 5 gallons of gas, that 90 charged miles. Divide that by the 5 gallon tank, you get 18miles of charge per gallon used.
@@kingssman2 and if i add a galon of gas in a normal internal combustion how much miles do i get
@@kingssman2 So, these guys are doing all this work for absolutely no reason. It would be better for the environment if they just drove normal ICE cars. Significantly better considering the amount of CO2 that is produced in the creation of EV batteries. Can someone inform in our government to put an end to subsidies on EVs already?
Even a generator has F1 techology🤣
I want to see you put the generator and camping gear in the electic car.
Oh please, people! Some of you commenters are being a bit too harsh and literal. I take it as just some fun insight as to how much it takes to charge these EV's. I'm sure they are not advocating charging an EV while camping - Thanks TFL!
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Honda 7000is is rated for 240V@22.9A and max 6 hours runtime with 5.1 gal tank, so by adding at most 16 mi/hour range, comes down to less than 19MPG!
How many gallons of gas would it take to run that Honda for twenty hours tapped out?
About 14 or 15 gallons according to Honda's specs.
You generally end up with fuel efficiencies close to a hybrid.
uhhhhhh, do you know how much 3kw of solar weight?
Never heard of such package efficiencies, but I'll take it. how much?
328miles/15 gallons = 22 miles per gallon
11:28 You need a calculator to multiply by 10😯!
You’ve never used a calculator to do very basic math before without realizing it?
Used a honda generator in a park to power a sound system for a band for a few hours, amps, pa etc. It was good.
Also that's a range plug for up to 50 amps.
The dryer plug is only good for 30, and this is differentiated by it's L-shaped prong.
The fact you have to now bring a generator along to charge a car, or in the event you have a loss of power and require a generator to supply power to the car is enough of a reason for me to never buy one of these past a 2nd or 3rd car or novelty. 2021 F150's can be ordered stock with generators, and most have 400 watt inverters in them. My 2017 F150 does. Which makes it far superior to a Tesla Model X in every category. It'll do 700 miles on a tank of gas at 78 mph or lower. Then it recharges in 15 minutes or less at a gas station.
I hate to thumbs you down, but there is really no part 3 of 3?
Oh i remember you gave us a review but never continued for the part 2. Ive been waiting for this
It’s not going to be a very relaxing camping trip if you have to listen to a generator running the whole time
My Generac 17500kw generator which I have converted to run propane has a 14-50 outlet on it but that system is solely for use at my home where I have a propane source and a Tesla Wall Connector in my garage and yes, the generator is grounded where I run it for power outages (Hurricanes) and the house is grounded as well.
I would probably camp at a campground that already has power pedestals and is much quieter.
where is part 3, somehow I am not able to find it. Please attach the link.
Campgrounds are a very popular place to charge EVs. Many have hourly rates, or you can charge overnight and stay at a nearby motel.
Great video and your dad was super funny!
Having trouble finding part 3
actually on that model smart car you can also adjust the amount of amps for charging I have mine set at max but there are about 3 or 4 lower settings and the smart can charge using 240 connector too
Surely in a good many parts of the US, solar power makes a lot of sense. Even on a cloudy day it generates power, and with the size of you guys' houses and roofs you could easily get a good bunch of panels up there. Free power! Then sure, if you're in the California (sunny place again!) wild fired and your power goes out, you've still got a few KW of power coming from your roof, which could be running your AC etc and the rest charging your Tesla all day while it sits in your driveway.
I'd like to see a folding solar charge option. Go out for a week and charge during the day
To charge a car? That would take a LOT of solar panels.
@@sonictech1000 you don't need to fully charge it but you will also never run out of power over a long period stay. You don't need to fully charge an electric car in a day remotely while camping from zero.
@@jaytate491 Sure but to put the problem in perspective, a 100w panel will give you something like a mile or two per day.
@@sonictech1000 I'd be thinking a lot more than a single flex panel. My solar panels on my home do 300 Watts a piece. 4 panels can easily produce 1kw. DC to DC would also improve transfer efficiency without the conversion losses.
You see those numbers on the side of the plug? That's a NEMA code. 14 designates the type of plug, 50 designates the amperage, R designates that its a receptacle. If it was a male it would be a 14-50P (P for plug). Same for twist locks although the code is a little different, twist locks will start with L designating it's a locking device.
and that has nothing to do with a "dryer plug" different NEMA # and not compatible with a Nema 14-50
Good stuff watching this 3 year old video. 17 KW battery in that Smart EV :) , makes me laugh. It would be fun to watch this video in another 10 or 15 years to see how archaic this all seems in the future.
I can remember my grandfather telling me how he used to have to plan a road trip of a couple hundred miles and always cary spare gas cans with since not all small towns had gas stations around yet. The 1920's and 30's cars in severe cold winter would only go about a hundred miles per tank safely so it was survival planning for road trips at times back then. He said most people he knew at the time had never traveled over a 100 miles from their home in their lives. I'm sure a decade or so later made a bid difference back then and will again during this change.
I just bought the new eu7000is with Bluetooth. Is awesome!
The time to fully recharge an EV is a meaningless measure: if you had a 50000KWh battery it would take weeks, but who cares? What's interesting is the miles rechaged per hour, which is what the Tesla's screen display. And the miles one is interested to recharge, are the one to needed get to the next destination or, more often, just to a better charging location (faster, or just more practical, with food/services, etc.). One interesting thing shown is the versatility of an EV: in case of emergency/disaster, there are lot of ways to get energy from, gas included.
Marco Pontello You’re making too much sense, this video is for clicks, not information.
The versatility argument is exactly how I responded to another comment. Imagine trying to power that truck with sunlight or wind. XD
ROFL - Electric car camping with your ICE support vehicle. How many mpg does that Tesla get again?
That one gets 96 MPGe and has a range of 325 miles according to the EPA. Though that will be greatly reduced if you are doing wimpy camping like these guys seem to do. No need for the truck for real camping.
You missed the point completely. Charging a Tesla at a rate of 14 miles/hr by a gas generator consuming fuel at a rate of X gal/hr will equal some real life mpg as demonstrated in this video.
@@steverowe2943 apparently you missed the point. Very worst case can you add some range to an EV if you're stranded with a generator. Yes.
However I'd bet the idiots in my Tesla club would rather stay stranded than use this method because gas is the devil
@@steverowe2943 I didn't miss the point. Based on the efficiency of that generator stated by another comment it seems to be about 46 mpg. Far better than most gas powered cars. Though I realize a youtube comment isn't exactly the most reliable source.
@@tonyc6996 But.... if you're "stranded" how do you pack that huge generator in your Tesla? You need a big gas-guzzling truck to haul around the generator to charge the EV.
I think I need to send you guys a video of my Mighty Yaris... It has many options... like an engine.. and windows...
Sorry, I LOVE my Prius! 55- 60 mpg. Was very affordable at 17 K. ( used) and it has a spare tire. I can even sleep in it if there are bears or thunder showers.....
If you haven't already done this, the safest way to do this would be to purchase the Tesla NEMA 14-30 adapter, then purchase an adapter for NEMA L14-30 -> NEMA 14-30 (locking to non-locking). It will reduce the amperage to 24a (80% of breaker capacity) as you're not supposed to go over 80% constant current of the breaker. Tesla didn't have in mind folks charging their car with a generator since grid AC power is readily available most places.
its 2020 and i still can't get 1.21 jigawatts out of a banana peel and some wrappers.
Good thing campgrounds have power at the sites. Some have 220V in rural Canada thats how electric car owners charge their cars.funny but sometimes there are more campsites than gas stations in some areas.
This with 10 gallons of fuel (2 5 gallon tanks can fit in the trunk and fronk with extra room) effectively doubles your range. Or maintaining it the same in extreme weather.
Did the smart ed aircon works on summer? Some car says aircon, but turns out to be heater on the winter and just fan over the summer... also its great that tommy still address his dad with "dad". Not many young people show respect to their elderly these days.
I've seen a few of these types of exploratory videos and the anticipation is really fun.
GM has a pickup with a 1/7 v8 generator and bed plug already??
AMAZING!! 20 hours and 10+ gallons of gas later you have extended your driving range by 200 miles. Oh wait I can extend the range of my Ford F150 by 200 miles using 8 gallons of fuel and it takes me less than 5 minutes. This is amazing progress. LOL!!
Off roading means bringing out the Dred One Wheel now, dudes. Nice truck, tho!
Great Video. Was this series ever completed? Where is episode 3?
At 2200 watts it is always going to be a 1 or 2 mile per hour of charge - better than nothing in a pinch. A lot of vids leave people with the impression they can get back on the road in 10 minutes. That being said, I only have 240 volt here and a 11 KWH battery house system so I don't charge off the house without running a 6kva over the top of it - unless its sunny and the panels are giving 1500 watts or more in which case it is fine. A lot of people think they are going to run a little genny in the boot and cheat the system (lol) but they forget about conservation of energy completely.
The dumbest aspect of the gasoline powered “Smart for Two” product is the requirement for use of premium octane fuel. In Florida, the price penalty is typically some 60 cents per gallon!
Cry me a GD river
Too funny, a gas generator to recharge your EV. What's the point, camping with noise!
@@markplott4820 so it'll basically fill that smart? I doubt that thing does more than 100miles tops
It's lock button once then 2x on remote start button
The new 2020 Smart fortwo EQ's have a 90 mile range will charge up to 22KW per hour & charge from 10%-80% in 40 minutes. To bad they are no longer available in the US
Three videos, 25 minutes and 6 commercials and I finally found the 30 seconds where they plug in a 240-volt plug and charge the damn car. Touché RUclips.
With a Passport America membership, you could pull into an RV park for about $15-22/night and have unlimited, quiet power in 240v/50a for Tesla, 120v/30a for Smart car, and 120v/20a for camper, from the same pedestal. You'd burn that much in gas, for the generator, in a night.
Thank you for the video.
great video. as well as the other one with the smart car. i have one too, from 2015. but i am in germany and have the 3 phase 22kw onboard charger, what makes the car even more valuable and even capable of longer distance drives (possible 1000 miles in 24 hrs!!!)... but this just aside. you could have been able to charge the smart with the smaller generator, by using a "charge-box" like a "go-e" charger, or "energy kick" (if they are available in the US?). so if you limit these mobile charging boxes to lets say 6A, or maybe a bit higher, you can charge the smart easily. maybe event the tesla with up to the 1700 continuous power limit of the small generator. but since the tesla uses way more power for its "standby", the efficiency will go down of course. maybe you test it next time and make a new video? would be great. thanks for your work. ps. btw. these boxes (go-e charger i.e.) can simulate the grounding, so you can charge a vw e golf too! :)
What an exorbitant amount of unnecessary steps just to have a warm fuzzy feeling about owning a electric car and trying to adapt it to a every day solution that's all ready works well with fuel driven cars
The future is as follows:
Camper will have solar panels on the roof with two awnings with solar panels which can have about 3kw of solar panels(using conventional current technology panels). You will have more effecient panels which will give you around 7kw for that area. You will tow a caravan instead. You will plug it into the car while you are out playing. You will look for a sunny spot instead of a shady spot. The panels will provide the shade and keep things cool. At 7kw you will be able to charge in about 15hrs if sunlight (about a 2 day stay).
Then you will not have to worry about carrying enough fuel for the trip. As long as you have enough food and water your range will be unlimited.
Wow reading the comments, it is funny how many people seriously think Roman is going to mount that generator in the trunk of the Tesla and run it as he drives. Good god do people not get what they are showing. They are not telling you to take your Tesla out in the woods offroad with a big assed generator and charge it all night. Roman when you go to wire that to your house if you need help hit me up, I will try and help you.
Trying to sleep,
My brain- you're going to have to be a little bit creative
Agree with the Ford Fusion assessment. I've owned 2 of them. Ride better than a Lexus. Smooth and silent. Better mileage than the Toyotas and Hondas with a lot better handling.
Love my EV but for camping duty I would take the petrol powered vehicle any day.
Charging an electric car with a gas generator?
Great to know for an emergency but kind of ironic
You cant charge and drive at the same time but there should be an emegency function or socket to drive the power on direct power from the generator. Im sure that honda has enough to get the car moving. Maybe not high speeds but enogh to drive.
Good info, not ideal but better than being stuck with flat batteries! What about wiring the monster alternator on the Godzilla for EV charging??
"1:00 The question we are gonna try to proof today?" Sounds like the outcome was decided upon already.
Furthermore it does not matter how long it take to charge to 100%, important are the miles you can charge in an hour time when the battery is at a soc < 50%
Do it again with a pair of Honda EU2200i in parallel. At least the cars can carry those with them!
I think all credit should go to little Honda generator :)
The ideal setup would be to use the generator to supply your house and have any spare current run to the Tesla
That is how my house is setup, power goes out, generator automatically kicks on. I have an LP 8KW generator, so not huge, but if i need to charge my tesla, I just slow charge it via 120v and get 5mph, which is fine in an emergence.
It would be nice if during a power outage if the Tesla could power the house.
Check the oil level on the generator....If it's low it won't start. I had the same ussue
The intro is just hilarious!
No one gonna mention that they should've unplugged everything when starting and turning off the generators? Oh and for the Generac, Tommy needs to slowly move the switch over to run, not all at once. 🤦♂️ Obviously need some more practice with generators but otherwise, Great video. 😂🤙
Curious can you calculate what your MPG is by doing this? So how many miles does 1 gallon of fuel put into the generator get you.
I'm guessing about 20MPG. Honda claims 5.1 gallons with a 6.5 hr run time at rated 5.5 kW. They were a little under that, so about 7 hours per tank. Tesla's screen showed about 20 hrs? 0 to hero. About 14 or 15 gallons worth.
Probably less fuel consumption at altitude, but still can't get away from the incredible inefficiency of the ICE generator. The generator being under 20% efficient?
Did you ever make a part three i Cant find it, could you maybe add a link at the end of your videos when you complete the next parts
While the premise for this video is interesting and good fun, it is also silly. Would you take 25 gallons or more of gas to the campsite to fill the truck to completely full?
No, because the the truck would still have more than enough range to get to a gas station.
No, because even a giant HD truck doesn't have range or turnaround issues.
Why would they? Judging by the range used by the EVs, I'd bet the Ford still shows a full tank.
@@CuzRepo The Smart Car is a city car, why take that camping? Even still, it had 1/2 a charge. They never showed the range left for the Tesla. Both EVs likely had more than enough energy to get to a charging station. I''m sure many campers get gas on the way home. I still question the premise. Who fills up to full at a campsite?
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Honda EU7000is, 5.1 gallon gas-tank, appx 18 hours worth of running time in "Eco mode", six hours at full load (which is what their doing here)....Got a pair of full Jerry-cans on standby?
Oh the irony of it all, burning fossil fuels while charging an electric car.. still a great video guys
Implying most of our houses' electricity comes from clean sources.
Btw they generally end up with fuel efficiencies close to a hybrid by doing this.
And where do you think much of the power at your local plug comes from? Recycled unicorn farts? (one would hope it's not from natural gas / diesel because that's expensive.) Depending on where you are, ~20% is from nuclear, ~17% renewable. ( www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php )
@@jfbeam In my area we get our electricity from hydro cus its cheaper. Eitherway we get hybrid efficiency so if your an environmental nut i guess its a good deal. not really the reason buy teslas tho.
the irony is using the generator to power the EV is more efficient than putting the diesel into a car
I would love to see a follow up where yo find the smallest and cheapest Genny that can charge the Tesla or DIY EV. (Hint hint)