Getting to have surgical extraction in your control deck for free is such amazing utility. It is quietly a verypowerful effect, giving you game 1 percentages agaisnt combo and allowing you to see their hand so you have perfect info to allocate resources. Cover up is quickly becoming my favorite black boardwipe. Eat your heart out, damnation.
Hey Jim! Just want to say thanks for being so great about pronoun stuff. As a queer mtg nerd who has felt like I'm on the outside sometimes, I really appreciate you! Thanks for making the community a better place!! ❤❤❤
To the person asking about waiting to kill: a control deck relies on flexibility of answers. Unless your answer is specifically sorcery speed you wait so that you have the option to use any answer you might have in hand at any time. Say you have 5 mana and you kill a creature on your turn. Sure, that creature's now dead. Maybe you have a kill spell and a counterspell with 3 mana left. Your opponent plays an uncounterable creature with ward 3 on their turn that kills you. Playing on their turn means you kill that, take a hit from the other creature then deal with that on a subsequent turn. A control deck only wants to play an Instant on their own turn if there's a significant benefit to it: your opponent's tapped out an they play protection spells (AKA Green Counterspell) or you're falling behind and need to find something specific (and probably sorcery speed as well) or lose are the two big ones.
Funnily enough, I think the "last possible moment" is still correct, but WHEN that last possible moment is, is very hard to tell sometimes for newer control mages. Sometimes, last possible is when you can't use your life as a resource anymore, sometimes it is on your turn because you want to hit a land/sorcery answer. Sometimes the last chance is when you know they have (or likely have) a response to your kill, so it needs to be on your turn.
I would also like to note that it's important to think about what removal you have and what they might have. For instance, I've played some control in constructed and I was pretty good about knowing when to use my removal. But in limited, I would always default to using it on my foes turn, but that ends up biting you in the ass in formats like OTJ where Snakeskin Veil is in it. Not sure why it took me forever to adjust to the fact that in different formats, especially limited, you are more likley to face combat tricks that can push your foe out of removal range or protect their creatures. Sometimes white has protection spells. Black has the "when my creature dies it returns to the battlefield spells". It's also important to keep in mind that if you have a -x/-x black spell or a deal x damage red spell or a green fight spell, that a combat trick can make a creature big enough to withstand the kill spell. All of these things can seem a bit basic on the surface. What makes a player good is being able to string all of this together.
Originally when I saw the Dimir I was like “this looks cool and good but you lose wandering emperor and no more lies surely it’s just worse then uw?”. This video did a really good job of showing that there are actually some real benefits to being in UB.
For the person asking, "why shoot the creatures on the opponents turn." Information. By not killing the creature until its relevant you deny the opponent critical information. As long as you arent losing mana or opportunity, its good to force your opponent to play their hand out without the full knowledge of what you have. It also give you more information. Maybe you have one kill spell and they have a 4/4 in play but could play a 5/5 haste. By waiting until your opponent commits to the board you prevent some damage and potentially messed their turn up by making them spend the opportunity they could have used for something else to put a creature down you could kill. Think of it like youre bluffing a counterspell or anything else your deck might have. They don't know what you have, perhaps they play conservative and only attack you eith the one creature, trying to force the kill spell out of your hand. In that case you may let the creature through choosing instead to draw cards while the threat is low. That's why, in general you wait with your kill spells. Its not always true, some decks gain value from their creatures so you may not want them to untap with them. Sometimes youmight lose the opportunity to kill the creature if you wait, there are some creatures which have ward on one side of the card and not the other or some decks that play protection and conterspells which the opponent may use if they have open mana.
I think the person asking about waiting till the other persons turn was asking why IS that the default, not critiquing the plays. The reasons being not wanting to give opponents perfect information and having different options depending on why they do
As a member of the LGBT community who also has a lot of non-binary friends, I just want to say thanks for insisting people use they/them for unknown foes. Also, there aren't many women in the community so it's nice to not have people immediately refer to us as men. It's not a huge deal considering it's an invisible person on the other side of the screen which you have no way of communicating with, but it's a nice thing to do. :)
Im up a duress down a deduce in my build,makes a hufe difference in control match and doesnt hurt as much as normal in standard right now with all the current decks.
I've done it to a red ramp player, who resolved the ultimate of Koth - it's an emblem with "whenever you play a mountain deal 4 to any target".. Well, I removed their lands :D
Loved this set so far and all of the brews you have made. My one big gripe is to please not make the entire bonus sheet mythic rares. Between the fomori vaults and the synthesizers and that artifact that taps for mana and heals, my poor wildcards...
At 19:50, why not Jace, plus on Glissa, then cover up next turn? If opponent attacks Jace, he survives at 2. Edit: before as well, would it not be better to cover up first, then play Aclazotz, since you would protect Jace for sure for one turn, then plus on the knight and have an Aclazots in play with a 0 power creature on the opponent's board?
Jim bringing gender politics randomly into his MTG videos that are in no way related to gender or politics is unfortunate. I watch this stuff to escape that kind of rhetoric. :/
“Now im only two steps ahead” is classic Jim
Jim honestly just has the best Magic stream out there. He is personable, he's funny, he's a good player. It's just like hanging out with him.
Getting to have surgical extraction in your control deck for free is such amazing utility. It is quietly a verypowerful effect, giving you game 1 percentages agaisnt combo and allowing you to see their hand so you have perfect info to allocate resources. Cover up is quickly becoming my favorite black boardwipe. Eat your heart out, damnation.
Damnation is still better but its close
Yeah in Standard sadly no, but it's a great card
Honestly you're just really convincing me to hit all the buttons. Love the content, Jim!
Hearing this could be a good deck so close to rotation, vs. how much UW is losing. Thanks for the tech!
Hey Jim! Just want to say thanks for being so great about pronoun stuff. As a queer mtg nerd who has felt like I'm on the outside sometimes, I really appreciate you! Thanks for making the community a better place!! ❤❤❤
Jace is a pretty good no-wincon win condition.
To the person asking about waiting to kill: a control deck relies on flexibility of answers. Unless your answer is specifically sorcery speed you wait so that you have the option to use any answer you might have in hand at any time. Say you have 5 mana and you kill a creature on your turn. Sure, that creature's now dead. Maybe you have a kill spell and a counterspell with 3 mana left. Your opponent plays an uncounterable creature with ward 3 on their turn that kills you. Playing on their turn means you kill that, take a hit from the other creature then deal with that on a subsequent turn.
A control deck only wants to play an Instant on their own turn if there's a significant benefit to it: your opponent's tapped out an they play protection spells (AKA Green Counterspell) or you're falling behind and need to find something specific (and probably sorcery speed as well) or lose are the two big ones.
Funnily enough, I think the "last possible moment" is still correct, but WHEN that last possible moment is, is very hard to tell sometimes for newer control mages.
Sometimes, last possible is when you can't use your life as a resource anymore, sometimes it is on your turn because you want to hit a land/sorcery answer. Sometimes the last chance is when you know they have (or likely have) a response to your kill, so it needs to be on your turn.
I would also like to note that it's important to think about what removal you have and what they might have. For instance, I've played some control in constructed and I was pretty good about knowing when to use my removal. But in limited, I would always default to using it on my foes turn, but that ends up biting you in the ass in formats like OTJ where Snakeskin Veil is in it. Not sure why it took me forever to adjust to the fact that in different formats, especially limited, you are more likley to face combat tricks that can push your foe out of removal range or protect their creatures. Sometimes white has protection spells. Black has the "when my creature dies it returns to the battlefield spells". It's also important to keep in mind that if you have a -x/-x black spell or a deal x damage red spell or a green fight spell, that a combat trick can make a creature big enough to withstand the kill spell. All of these things can seem a bit basic on the surface. What makes a player good is being able to string all of this together.
First opponent played at a genius level. Obviously a man of culture; handsome and cunning.
Jesus Christ Jim that was a really nasty deck. No wincons except mill!
Seems like a really fun deck! Haven't seen a competetive "true" control deck in a while.
I could imagine being one of the best magic players in the world, getting told how to play the game by a bunch of twitch viewers. I'd be so annoyed
It's part of how people learn..a lot of the time people can only catch their mistakes when someone else points it out.
Actually Twitch chat saved his butt multiple times. Especially when new cards are involved.
@@enricomassignani 80%+ not useful though
*Me watching Jim not read the card maybe ten times in draft *
@@gregorym7588 "Reading is busted" - Jeff Hoogland
The two steps ahead joke got me too good XP
every deck looks fun when you play it, I love that
Keep. I have a lot of fun in control mirrors. I dread them though, it's stressful.
It feels funny seeing how three steps ahead was initially underrated by *everyone*
Originally when I saw the Dimir I was like “this looks cool and good but you lose wandering emperor and no more lies surely it’s just worse then uw?”. This video did a really good job of showing that there are actually some real benefits to being in UB.
Love a good honest control deck
Thanks for always reminding me to do the youtube stuff!
For the person asking, "why shoot the creatures on the opponents turn."
Information. By not killing the creature until its relevant you deny the opponent critical information. As long as you arent losing mana or opportunity, its good to force your opponent to play their hand out without the full knowledge of what you have. It also give you more information. Maybe you have one kill spell and they have a 4/4 in play but could play a 5/5 haste. By waiting until your opponent commits to the board you prevent some damage and potentially messed their turn up by making them spend the opportunity they could have used for something else to put a creature down you could kill.
Think of it like youre bluffing a counterspell or anything else your deck might have. They don't know what you have, perhaps they play conservative and only attack you eith the one creature, trying to force the kill spell out of your hand. In that case you may let the creature through choosing instead to draw cards while the threat is low.
That's why, in general you wait with your kill spells. Its not always true, some decks gain value from their creatures so you may not want them to untap with them. Sometimes youmight lose the opportunity to kill the creature if you wait, there are some creatures which have ward on one side of the card and not the other or some decks that play protection and conterspells which the opponent may use if they have open mana.
“Control mirrors are awesome, keep or mulligan?”
Keep if I’m watching Jim play, mulligan if I’m the one playing
Play Jace, Mill for 12, and then after they target it with removal, otawara back to hand and replay for the last 15 cards
Control mirrors were awesome with nephalia drownyard.
I think the person asking about waiting till the other persons turn was asking why IS that the default, not critiquing the plays.
The reasons being not wanting to give opponents perfect information and having different options depending on why they do
Oh yea baby dimir gang rise up
Great video. Thanks!
My inner blue mage loves this content
Here for a long fun time
Fun deck.
thanks jim
We need an updated list !!!
Looks sweet
Jim have you thought about what soundboard stuff you'll do for bloomburrow? Animal stuff. Maybe meows, bunny sounds, horse neighs perhaps?
I hope he finds some quotes from the Redwall TV series
Like this
As a member of the LGBT community who also has a lot of non-binary friends, I just want to say thanks for insisting people use they/them for unknown foes. Also, there aren't many women in the community so it's nice to not have people immediately refer to us as men. It's not a huge deal considering it's an invisible person on the other side of the screen which you have no way of communicating with, but it's a nice thing to do. :)
Twitch chatter- What's the win con?
Jim- Eventually.
Time always wins
Im up a duress down a deduce in my build,makes a hufe difference in control match and doesnt hurt as much as normal in standard right now with all the current decks.
I hit the buttons
The best conteol decks make your opponents lose the will to play Magic, the longer the hiatus they take, the better the control deck.
I like.
Cool deck! Wish I had the wildcards to build it
45:18 So isn't completely dumb to choose to play on the draw?
Woot
You can just call them opponent too
Magalhaes - sounds Brazilian, but idk for sure. But I believe it's pronounced "mogg-ah-eye-yes" if that helps ❤
Source: fan of football, ⚽ arsenal fan with one Gabriel Magalhaes 🇧🇷
This is a comment. There you go, algo!
Mag-uhl-yice is pretty close to how you pronounce that name, with the emphasis on the i
The bots found jims channel oh noooooooo
Can't wait to see someone get the achievement of using devious coverup on a mana-screwed monocolor deck to delete all their lands
I've done it to a red ramp player, who resolved the ultimate of Koth - it's an emblem with "whenever you play a mountain deal 4 to any target".. Well, I removed their lands :D
Loved this set so far and all of the brews you have made. My one big gripe is to please not make the entire bonus sheet mythic rares. Between the fomori vaults and the synthesizers and that artifact that taps for mana and heals, my poor wildcards...
Fine Jim gosh darn it I hit the buttons I did the thing!
So this is sequel of yesterday video's last match
32:42 *WHY*
At 19:50, why not Jace, plus on Glissa, then cover up next turn?
If opponent attacks Jace, he survives at 2.
Edit: before as well, would it not be better to cover up first, then play Aclazotz, since you would protect Jace for sure for one turn, then plus on the knight and have an Aclazots in play with a 0 power creature on the opponent's board?
I had the same problem with the Elgato hardware. I got overly excited since they're really top notch, but my computer can't handle it all :/
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No. No. No, This is cancer.
Bump
But you have wincons: creatures, creature lands, mill planeswalker... Lier!
Jim bringing gender politics randomly into his MTG videos that are in no way related to gender or politics is unfortunate. I watch this stuff to escape that kind of rhetoric. :/
I can't not root for the opponents whenever he plays a control deck, this looks miserable