Dragon Ball Canon EXPLAINED
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Dragon ball fans across the world are always arguing about Canon. People use it as a weapon in debates, thats not canon or this is canon, and there’s a lot of misconceptions about what is and what isn't.. At some point, the word just becomes redundant, and a large group of people straight up disregard canon in the story because they just want to enjoy everything thats out there all the same. And that's completely but today we’re going uncover what is actually canon to the story, so lets dive in to the confusing canon of the dragon ball universe.
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GT feels more original to dbz than super not lying.
a lot of people feel that way.. but sadly just not part of the actual story.
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100% I agree. Super feels more like a fan fiction than Dragon ball itself.
@@SaiyanMotionBut it deserves to be canon more than Super and Daima. Even though GT wasn’t created by Toriyama, it had traces of his former essence and passion in the original manga. Super has none of that original essence and passion. Toriyama became a shell of his former self with Super. Also, with Toriyama continuously forgetting and retconning stuff, even things that he created in the original manga, like how Super contradicts the end of Z, which is a time period that takes place where everything was meant to be peaceful, with no indication of Super’s events ever happening, it’s safe to say that “canon” doesn’t exist and matter in the franchise anymore, and it for sure doesn’t automatically make something better. Just look at the Bardock special for example, and compare that to the “canon” Dragon Ball Minus comic. When it comes to “canon”, the only way it exists now is to turn off your brain when watching Super and be a fan that would glaze the creator.
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There’s also the idea that both DBZ(original and Kai) are both different timelines then in the manga. In the manga, Freiza kills a Namekian child called Cargo, but in the anime, it was Dodoria, and Vegeta never saw SSJ Goku in the manga, so when Gohan revealed that Goku went Super Saiyan when almost everyone was sent to Earth, Vegeta had a massive shocked look on his face. There’s also where Goku powered up to Kaioken X20. In the manga, he was on the ground in the island he and Frieza were fighting in, but in the anime he was floating over the ocean. In the Buu Saga, Videl finds out Gohan’s the Great Saiyaman by recognizing his voice after helping her fight against some thugs on the street, and then blackmails him in her Jetcoptor, but in the anime, she figures out his identity by the cut on his cheek he got from one of the pterodactyls, Toto, and blackmails him in the school hallway.
9:58 I remember when I was talking about why GT(100 years time skip) Goku is stronger than Super Goku, someone thinking I'm Cope and So I talked about this scene and then he said "Dragon Ball Z ending isn't canon", and all I can think is, "when?"
Casual fans and anime only fans don't care obviously but manga fans do care I believe at least the ones that read OG Dragon Ball then to the end of Z if I remember correctly.
I find it crazy how GT never had it's own manga besides fanfics coming about but that's whatever have you since Dragon Ball AF itself from Toyotaro started out as a fan made manga but likewise OG Dragon Ball to Buu saga is what matters... The rest as of now doesn't as far as Super goes even though I do like DBS Broly still.
I liked this video, but i honeslty think it falls under a big misconception: "there's only ONE Canon".
That's not true at all, a "canon" is a "continuity". Dragon Ball has lots of them. For instance, DBS movies are part of a total different continuity from DBS Anime, and that is also a different continuity from the DBS Manga.
There's not one "TRUE version", there are only different versions.
The belief that "canon" is what Toriyama wrote comes from when DBS didn't even exist. DB was a manga, wich Toriyama fully wrote, and there was also the DB and DBZ anime, wich adapted the manga.
But those two animes weren't made by Toriyama Sensei, they were made by Toei Animation. So to refer to the "real story", people said "it's only true what appears in the manga, that Toriyama wrote".
Simple explanation
The og dragon ball ended in the manga. "Z" is an english term popularized for the anime. "Dragon Ball" is a big story, the title called "Z" was added in later.
It was YEARS till new content was helped by toriyama and yet he wasnt even making the DBS manga. Many recons have happened changing the story completely from it's ending. DBS can't happen, no matter how much you want to say it does. It was like Toriyama's second child rather than his first, like a spin off.
For GT it is canon to the OG Z anime due to the last epsiode promoting the GT first episode. There's been a few filler episodes that show off movie stuff (mostly referring to garlic junior). GT is a fusion of some movies (not saying all) and the original anime. Dragon ball back then was promoting everything via movies, games, and more just like DBS.
DBS is in a way less canon than GT since it is less close to the OG story. The end of Z completely is gone for DBS essentially. GT and Super were made for one reason: profit. Though I will say GT is a lot more respectful to the dragon ball lore more than super.
In conclusion: the og manga is the canon story and everything out side of it is extra content
The original DB manga is the true canon of DB, where it was all Toriyama with his ideas and no one elses. Not the DB and Z anime and not Super.
Comparing the original Bardock special to Dragon Ball Minus is proof that “canon” doesn’t automatically make something better. Let’s be real: canon doesn’t exist and matter in the franchise anymore. Toriyama would keep retconning and forgetting stuff, and the story of Dragon Ball Super in the anime and manga are completely different. Super made the franchise so directionless (nothing more than just eye-candy action, transformations, and explosions; even the Broly movie, which is the only good arc in Super, lacks a lasting impact because of Broly’s stagnant character in Super Hero). Now we’re getting a dumb Dragon Ball Daima show that takes GT’s de-aging to kid concept, but executes it in a way that seems to only serve for stupid comedy. Rest in peace Toriyama, and thank you for OG and Z, but Super and Daima ain’t it.
I would absolutely agree with your first point thag just because it’s canon doesn’t make it better. Ofc that can be the case but that all spends on taste. Bardocks story is just a very specific example that I’d agree with. As for daima don’t discount it yet. Its stated that daima is a project toriyama worked on more closely than any dragon ball project since the original manga by himself and producers. It may be great give it a chance for sure
@@SaiyanMotionWell I’m not going to glaze the creator, turn off my brain, and not compare his work in the past to his work now like this fandom does. And like I’ve said before, Toriyama has retconned and forgotten a lot of stuff, including things that he created himself, so what even is “canon” anymore if the creator forgets and discards his own work when continuing the franchise?
Honestly. I dont care whats canon. Everything is going to get Retcond. Nothing matters anymore.
i wouldnt count on that. But its fair to not care and just enjoy everything the same
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Wrong, the manga is what matters.
@@danteshollowedgrounds you are wrong. Until I am told from the creator explicitly. Everything goes. And that means anything is on the table. Heck, end of z might not exist
@@TrevorD19 Nope, I am right as if it wasn't for the manga at all we wouldn't have anything as we have now in the series from Toriyama... We will not talk about the power scaling as that doesn't really matter here... Just saying cuz if you read anything from old to buu saga then you would understand what matters.
Only OG Dragon Ball to Buu saga mate is what matters
Somehow, Super feels like it's more filler than GT with that "parallel dimension" line in play.
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No you missed the future trunk movie
Toryama never stated that it took place in an alternate timelime. Where did you get that Information I read his exact words. Indirectly.
thanks for clearing the mess
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Look, it's normal for a manga to show fewer details than an anime. So, I believe that when a fight that is canonical to the manga has more details in the anime, there is no reason to believe those details are not canonical. The same applies to events. Events that could fit the manga's canon without any contradiction should be considered. Yes, there is complete and total filler, but for example, things done by Krillin, Gohan, and Bulma on the actual Namek, not shown in the manga, should be considered canon.
My golden rule would be:
1) If it is shown in the manga: 100% canon.
2) If it is shown in the anime only, but the same overall event takes place in the manga: also canon.
3) If the overall event is not shown in the manga at all, but fits and does not contradict the manga context and content: semi-canon.
4) Filler used to pass time between main manga events: non-canon.
correct, there is no manga filler. everything that is the manga is canon. this video is wrong
I've never known anyone confusing Whats canon and Whats not.
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@@SaiyanMotion i gotta say i'm not fully sure if you're confusing Fans and casual Watchers. Because tho who have seen GT ( atleast here in Germany, where the release Has been... Let's call it funky for now) knew that GT isn't Canon.
@@Shiny_Gaming you may not have seen as much as me because I kinda live and breathe dragon ball since that is my channel. Im on twitter and I read thousands of comments on my videos. I always see something about canon
@@SaiyanMotion ok
@@SaiyanMotion thing is, i'm not going into territory where you're BOUND TO meet those people, i'm more around the normal people whatching dragonball. One of my Bosses at work actually watched Dragonball Z Years ago and is now catching up with Super, and even he knows which is canon and which is not
My personal opinion is that GT is canon, it fits the literal definition. It is the official sequel to CANON Z. Super actually fits the traditional definition of side story, as it deviates from the CANON End of Z.
i mean objectively looking at you’re wrong because the creator says gt is the side story. We have to look at the facts… also super isn’t deviating end of z. It’s the gap between buu and end of z so it’s just filling in the gap of the story if that makes sense
@@SaiyanMotion super literally changes the story before the canon end of Z, GT is the direct sequel. Never said it is canon, it’s my personal canon
Edit: I guess I did say that, but what said just now is what I meant
@@Bruh-zu5pl as I’m sure ur aware therr was a time skip between buu and eoz which was about 10 years. Yes super may not post eoz, but it’s canon to the story in the sense that it’s what happened between those two points. We don’t know anything of what happened between buu and eoz without super.
Gt js flat out isn’t canon cuz toriyama said so and that’s js what it is, i love ssj4 and some things in gt but it’s not my opinion it’s the creators fact. Although if u wanna take it as ur own head canon feel free ig that’s fair lol
@@SaiyanMotion yea I know there was a time skip, it’s just when creators feel the need to fill in that time with things that didn’t even exist when the ending was already made, it gives me a bad taste. I love super, I love gt, I love z, it just feels weird calling gt non-canon just because the author said so. Especially when the shit that super gave us is so far from the end of z in terms of story that makes sense. Gt is the sequel to it, so I see it as canon. Even if it’s not, it’s my personal headcanon.
I’m so glad I can actually have a discussion with someone instead of mindlessly arguing with them about powerscaling. As much as I enjoy powerscaling, it gets annoying saying the exact same thing that I know is fact, only to get overlooked by the 4 year olds (I assume they’re that old because of their logic) that I argue with.
@@Bruh-zu5pl lol yea, civil discussion is always great! And I understand what you mean by saying its your own personal headcanon thats all good and fair if u see it that way. But personally, I dont think its weird at all because the author of the story has the ability to do what he wants with the story and he has the most credibility when it comes to it. So what he decides goes.
How dare you! mention bio-broly! In front of the superior broly's
Actually some of Filler is Canon, this is the case giving the DBS Manga takes place after the DBZ Anime Events specifically (stated in a guide) meaning Filler from DB and DBZ Have bigger chance of being canon now than they did back then, especially the Buu Saga Filler. And the DBS Filler are entirely canon to the main story especially since the Anime was the mainline when Super was airing while the Manga was only meant to promote the story and be in Toyotaro’s Style. While Toriyama said GT is a Side story, he never said Filler was giving the same treatment aside from the Garlic Jr Saga.
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@@kaaydoanimsthe Interview about the anime and manga Toriyama made.
Toei said All of it is canon. It's a multiverse. But I prefer SDBH idea. Toei owns DB sooo the anime is more canon. The manga is 💩. Toyotaro is a hack. Youngjiji should of been the one chosen.
I agree with the 1st part but the Manga actually fixes a lot of the anime’s flaws.
My answer to this: I Don’t Give A Damn about Canon
as i said at the start of the vid, theres people who js wanna enjoy everything so have fun, theres nothing wrong with not caring about canon but you also cant refute what is and what isnt
@@SaiyanMotion true
i think the manga is canon and the anime is kinda like, it would've been sort of a disappointment if the hype and buildup wasn't for ultra instinct being that cool
I personally don’t care about that cannon stuff. Dragon Ball is a franchise that’s comprised of multiple timelines, and so what really counts are concepts that are made and written by people who have the official license to create official content.
copied from other comment cuz i didnt wanna write it out again: as i said at the start of the vid, theres people who js wanna enjoy everything so have fun, theres nothing wrong with not caring about canon but you also cant refute what is and what isnt
i get it's not a common opinion, but i liked the manga's way of giving goku mui more then the anime
all of DB Manga is canon.... ofc besides DBGT sadly, but anything in anime that's not in manga is FILLER. anything in manga that's not in anime is NOT FILLER....
I don't actually believe that there has been a proper continuation of Z. I stand by this, and firmly believe that no one captured the potential of the image in Toriyama's vision. It's next to 0 chance now, considering the current situation that our canon is in.
Because I grew up with GT in Mexico,
I love the original DBZ and GT. I never liked super.
The DB super Broly movie is 🔥 tho ngl
Gonna be honest, the only thing I consider canon to the original story of Dragon Ball/DBZ is the original manga of DB/DBZ, from Bulma running Goku over, to Goku flying off with a boy from a poor country. Everything else Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball-related is just extra, including filler, movies, GT, Super, Jaco, Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, etcetera. Everything is canon to itself, and the manga is canon to everything, but that doesn't mean anything else needs to be taken into account to enjoy Dragon Ball as it was first drawn and written.