Here’s the thing I don’t change the future timeline in my what if. Simple as that. And the main reason here is because say we do change it. Goku comes back dies of the heart virus, z fighters and vegeta die, gohan dies early without SSJ, and trunks dies too. That’s wraps on the story. That’s why.
@@SaiyanMotion couldn't goku after seeing tha damage done by androids come from dead and for one day and go back in past, it could happen. and this way it is better cause vegeta dosen't have too see his son in SS while he himself can never achieve it. And be canon to the what if.
@@SaiyanMotionyou could just argue that the legend is transferred to whatever Saiyan after the previous super Saiyan dies. Gohan would likely achieve super Saiyan as he did in his timeline, but still be too weak. Causing Trunks to go super Saiyan. And since Trunks is the only super Saiyan in HIS timeline, it shouldn’t affect alternate timelines. That’s how I thought of it at least.
You forgot that mastered super saiyan increases super saiyan's power. And even if you don't agree with that, it highly increases the user's base power. So Goku at his base would be equal with vegeta at his max kaioken (like times 50x), and piccolo's level was a little bit wrong. But, other than that, nice job.
he rejected ultra ego though too, because he realized it wasn't his stule and because he can't revert to being that evil person he was. i think he'll either continue with saiyan forms by evolving them, or use ultra instinct. that being said i personally would hope for the former. or maybe he'll just find some third thing, or maybe he'll just have to start disregarding his morals or something idk.
@@spacehunternebulanm7003 have u been keeping up with the manga? Vegeta hasnt rejected ultra ego at all. He's fully embraced it pretty much. Ultra ego is his path.
@@DjTeeray I was thanking the keep going brother lol! I try to make the best vids possible but I still differentiate from other creators in the scene for sure. I take that as a compliment for sure tho, he’s a great creator
@@SaiyanMotioni got a few suggestions a what if vegeta raised tarble, what if vegeta wasnt arrogant, what if future vegeta survived, what if vegeta had super broly potential, what if vegeta unlocked ssj2 after trunks died, what if vegeta trained with the kais after buu
vegeta making king kai laugh? that's something I must see to believe. I see a few problems with getting the super saiyan god ritual to work. in fact, with goku defeating cell sooner, it would mean no Mr. Satan becoming the saviour of earth for defeating cell and videl wouldn't be that interested in fighting crime or in gohan so videl wouldn't be pregnant with pan. also, since goku wouldn't die fighting cell, gohan would keep his training even if he can't reach super saiyan training with his father would give him quite a power boost. evidently, gohan would get beaten by golden freeza but would be able to hold far more than in the canon.
so trunks from the future came to the past, ended up killing freezeman, something something time paradox, no more super saiyans, thats why goku can be the only one... keepo
I disagree about the story ending quickly without Trunks being super saiyan. He only confronted the androids because he thought that as a super saiyan, he had a chance against them. And He would have been saved from Mecha Frieza by Goku if he couldn't transform.
The ending to this made me think of the Vegeta (Super Saiyan God Evolution) mod for Sparking Zero. Since this a hypothetical situation anyways, I think he'd achieve something like that to stand on par with SSJ Blue Goku.
if its not OG trunks with SSJ jumping into the what if timeline, then think abt it, how would trunks survive? My logic in all my what ifs is to keep the future timeline the same and let the what if only affect the main timeline. Say we follow the normal story, goku dies, the z fighters die, and no way gohan makes it that long without ssj, and then trunks eventually dies too.
Vegeta would just be in a constant loop of training until he gets to Goku’s level which is not possible. But couldn’t the Dragon Balls be used to grant the transformation?
Unlocking "latent potential" like in the frieza saga could be another way to make vegeta stronger. Also, my birthday is coming up on the 15th. I have an idea for a scenario which is if one TFS dub character was in DBZ with the canon characters. If not then i have but one request, put a microwave in the video at a random point with the iconic "bad to the bone" intro playing at full blast. And if anyone asks pretend like it never happened. Amd anyone who reads this comment, just go along with it LMAO.
I mean there isn’t one. The point of the what it is to make something that doesnt happen originally so we just alter something. If you need something, the SSJ of legend can only be achieved by one person, but it’s kinda js how a what if works. The thing ur changing doesn’t exactly need that typa explanation mainly cuz there isn’t one 🫡
Trunks doesn't need to be a ssj for the what if to continue past Mecha Frieza Remember, there's the timeline where Trunks wasn't born yet and couldn't intervene when Frieza arrived yet this timeline persists till the androids so Trunks can grow up and then go back in the past But how? Goku said he could sense the energies on earth when Trunks fights Frieza and Goku has IT by this point The moment Goku senses Frieza on Earth then he would IT to earth to stop him and King Cold (this is what had to have happened in the original timeline)
I was looking for this comment because Goku still kills them in the future timeline and all trunks needed to do was bring the medicine when the fight was over and even if Trunks died in the future for not being a ssj future Bulma could have done it
i mean them learning ikari is a whole different thing and not rly the focus of this what if. Neither of them have tails and they arent broly. Not saying its impossible but very unlikely and I dont see it happening
Woulda been cool for sure and like I said vegeta is likely gonna use his techniques more so to win battles cuz he can’t go past SSG. He lowk might still get ultra ego tho
Ultra Ego And Instinct Aren’t “Saiyan” Forms , They’re Techniques Which Turn Into Forms For The Saiyans To Better Utilize 100%. So He Can Still Get The Form.
why would vegeta need kaioken to beat pui pui though? pui pui is weak enough to think walking in 10x gravity is impressive. goku trained in 100g on the way to namek. vegeta is FAR stronger than that by the time babidi and dabura arrive
also i think vegeta could have gotten some sort of god + ultimate form for super because a lot of people do that for their stories... but not wanting to *really* cover super is understandable
I said that if trunks isnt a SSJ than the story ends. My logic is that I never change the future timeline in my what ifs. Say we change the future timeline, goku dies of the heart virus (he didnt get it from yardrat watch a video on it), and the others die, gohan eventually dies sooner without ssj, and trunks dies without ssj. Theres no traveling back in time, the story ends peace. Thats why I kept trunks a SSJ so the future timeline stays the same, I only alter the main timeline in my what ifs
I was wondering about a what if. What if Goku stayed in Super Saiyan ? the cell saga having super sayian as a new base form would have been intresting maybe even taking any power drain off super sayian 3, since goku would be mastering super sayian 1 and 2, and 3 being a last resort power up, but it seems more like super sayian in the begining of the android saga still needing a bit of effort to go into but not as much.
Saiyan Motion: What if Goku was the only Super Saiyan? Also Saiyan Motion: Immediately introduces another Super Saiyan from a timeline with two other Super Saiyans Bruh
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I don’t really see the events of the. Bu saga going exactly the same considering that Goku is by far the strongest with SJ, so if anyone, he should have been the one to get his energy absorbed.
Yea but thats not the order of fights originally. And goku never powers up so the y wouldn’t know. Gohans energy all be it weak is still wayyy stronger than the avg human whose energy’s spopo and yamu were originally there to collect. They were t expecting to find a Saiyan
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You forget a kaioken x20 is super strains on goku not bc he didt train for longer it’s bc he is a mortal the kaioken is not meant for alive mortals Vegeta would only get x30 by pure luck alone and ssj1 has a x100 so to say vegita in x50 can make goku have to go ssj2 is stupid and the Kai’s would not train vegita and he would need ssj to use god ki not to be rude you need to learn a lot more before making some so wrong and and stupid as this video
Vegeta would have been way stronger. Ultimate would allow him to push Kaioken a lot higher than x100 as a maximum. And Ultimate with Super Saiyan God by itself would put him at Blue Evolution easily. Kaioken at this point, at times 100, pushes him close to Goku's level at the first use of UI Omen.
Why would having ultimate make him be able to take kaioken furher lol. They’re 2 entirely different things. But the thing is you have to remember vegeta is not gohan. Gohan had wayy more potential. God would make vegeta stronger than ultimate would and I left it open saying vegeta would use techniques to his advantage. I didn’t say he wouldn’t combine ultimate and god, it’s possible 🌝
i mean goku trains js as much as vegeta tho. Vegeta js got his year a bit later than goku did, but goku still trained in the time chamber. I feel like vegetas base would be stronger but it would be VERY close. Like miniscule difference since goku is focusing on SSJ as well
Kaioken x100 is below Ssj3 unless Base Ssj is 50x Base Ssj2 is 2x Ssj so 100x Base Ssj3 is 4x Ssj2 so 400x Base This means for Kaioken x100 to be stronger than or even counteract Ssj3 Vegeta needs a BASE 4x stronger than Goku's Base Base Vegeta = Base Goku Ssj Goku >Kaioken x2- x20 Ssj Goku = Kaioken x50 Vegeta Ssj2 Goku = Kaioken x100 Vegeta This means Ssj3 > Kaioken x100 So Vegeta would need either a 4x stronger Base or a Kaioken x400
I mean they don’t matter if the buu saga goes that way. And I also said that gohan gets ultimate towards the end, I didn’t cover their stories cuz they quite literally are irrelevant for the most part.
@@SaiyanMotion that wasn't meant as criticism, I'm just annoyed with the actual series. 😂 If Vegeta isn't strong enough to push the other z fighters around then a lot of dumb shit doesn't happen, and the child Saiyans have the same impact. Gohan is impressive against cells and doesn't do much after that. Gotenks doesn't win any fights. So this what if compared to the original series boils down to Vegeta isn't a threat lol.
Well the timeline featuring this What If has only 1 Super Saiyan but Trunks' timeline is a separate and always exists in every what if (kinda) so he is still a Super Saiyan there and so was Vegeta, Goku, etc.
I explained it. The way I was writing I originally wasn’t gonna give it to him but then I realized how that would mess things up later down the road without trunks so I wrote it differently. And I do think continuity matters here
Vegeta’s potential isn’t nearly as high as gohans. Ultimate isn’t gonna do for him what it did for gohan. And SSG vegeta is gonna be stronger than his ultimate version obv. That’s js levels of power, again he isn’t gohan.
@@SaiyanMotion did i say it was the same as gohans? No and if he trained his base the whole time he’d be stronger than og for the fact that training base gets better gains duh yk this for a fact so if he trained his base as hard or harder than he did his ssj forms obviously he’d be stronger and if you didn’t know potential grows as you train idiot potential never stays the same you either waist it or grow it you’d know this if you did anything irl like pumpin weights , anyone can become a boby builder why bc they worked at it growing their potential
@@aayewhyy yes he would be stronger in base I don’t deny it but his experience in using/mastering transformation is far apart from og. I never said vegeta was weaker than canon once he got SSG. I just said going forward he wouldn’t be as strong cuz SSBE and such but using techniques and his abilities he isn’t falling behind. And calm down with the name calling not that deep, it’s dragon ball.
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Funny how in a video called "What If GOKU was the ONLY Super Saiyan?" literally the first thing that happens is a second Super Saiyan shows up XD
Here’s the thing I don’t change the future timeline in my what if. Simple as that. And the main reason here is because say we do change it. Goku comes back dies of the heart virus, z fighters and vegeta die, gohan dies early without SSJ, and trunks dies too. That’s wraps on the story. That’s why.
@@SaiyanMotion couldn't goku after seeing tha damage done by androids come from dead and for one day and go back in past, it could happen. and this way it is better cause vegeta dosen't have too see his son in SS while he himself can never achieve it. And be canon to the what if.
@@SaiyanMotionyou could just argue that the legend is transferred to whatever Saiyan after the previous super Saiyan dies. Gohan would likely achieve super Saiyan as he did in his timeline, but still be too weak. Causing Trunks to go super Saiyan.
And since Trunks is the only super Saiyan in HIS timeline, it shouldn’t affect alternate timelines. That’s how I thought of it at least.
@@SaiyanMotionI like that narrative tho, it makes the what if's more interesting
*Before watching, the Kaio-Ken would be an easy fix, so would Old Supreme Kai unlocking potential*
You forgot that mastered super saiyan increases super saiyan's power. And even if you don't agree with that, it highly increases the user's base power. So Goku at his base would be equal with vegeta at his max kaioken (like times 50x), and piccolo's level was a little bit wrong. But, other than that, nice job.
Then Vegeta becomes an hero using the gravity room so that his body is heavy enough to strangle himself to death. He is like damn you kakacarrot cake
bro this channel is so good! I swear if you become consistent and active you'll dominate this part of youtube
Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Vegeta could still learn ultra ego and ultra instinct because those forms have nothing to do with super sayian forms
I don’t disagree. It think it’s possible
U forget vegeta can't learn ultra instinct but he definitely can learn ultra ego
@@Nexus058he can learn it but he refuses to because it's "not his style" and his pride
he rejected ultra ego though too, because he realized it wasn't his stule and because he can't revert to being that evil person he was. i think he'll either continue with saiyan forms by evolving them, or use ultra instinct. that being said i personally would hope for the former. or maybe he'll just find some third thing, or maybe he'll just have to start disregarding his morals or something idk.
@@spacehunternebulanm7003 have u been keeping up with the manga? Vegeta hasnt rejected ultra ego at all. He's fully embraced it pretty much. Ultra ego is his path.
I can tell you’re a student the dojo , love this style of video keep it going brother
I appreciate that!
You mean it reminds you of Carthu right? cause I was definitely thinking that lol
@@DjTeeray I was thanking the keep going brother lol! I try to make the best vids possible but I still differentiate from other creators in the scene for sure. I take that as a compliment for sure tho, he’s a great creator
@@SaiyanMotion Yeah I can tell you’re definitely different but similar in good ways 👍🏽
was the 'L' count for Vegeta needed, like damn, hitting Vegeta where it hurts.
Hell yea
Lmaoo, mb. We need a vegeta what if soon tho, ima get on that. I been doin my boi dirty
@@SaiyanMotioni got a few suggestions a what if vegeta raised tarble, what if vegeta wasnt arrogant, what if future vegeta survived, what if vegeta had super broly potential, what if vegeta unlocked ssj2 after trunks died, what if vegeta trained with the kais after buu
This one is very good bro❤, can you please do the "what if the Time Chember had no Aging effect"? I would love to hear your story on that please 🙏🙏🙏🙏
vegeta making king kai laugh?
that's something I must see to believe.
I see a few problems with getting the super saiyan god ritual to work. in fact, with goku defeating cell sooner, it would mean no Mr. Satan becoming the saviour of earth for defeating cell and videl wouldn't be that interested in fighting crime or in gohan so videl wouldn't be pregnant with pan.
also, since goku wouldn't die fighting cell, gohan would keep his training even if he can't reach super saiyan training with his father would give him quite a power boost. evidently, gohan would get beaten by golden freeza but would be able to hold far more than in the canon.
I had been waiting for this.
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so trunks from the future came to the past, ended up killing freezeman, something something time paradox, no more super saiyans, thats why goku can be the only one... keepo
Would beast gohan still be a transformation that he would be able to unlock? Also ultra ego??
I feel like they could. But we lowk don’t know enough abt their origins still tbh
This is way better than Amagi.
Much more creative
I disagree about the story ending quickly without Trunks being super saiyan.
He only confronted the androids because he thought that as a super saiyan, he had a chance against them.
And He would have been saved from Mecha Frieza by Goku if he couldn't transform.
Nice what if? Makes the ssj all the more special.
The ending to this made me think of the Vegeta (Super Saiyan God Evolution) mod for Sparking Zero. Since this a hypothetical situation anyways, I think he'd achieve something like that to stand on par with SSJ Blue Goku.
Goated frfr i thought you were gunna make them all die like in your short
Nah my short was dumb I took it down 😭
@@SaiyanMotion BRO XD
0:40 wdym by "the story would end quickly" if trunks didn't have super saiyan
if its not OG trunks with SSJ jumping into the what if timeline, then think abt it, how would trunks survive? My logic in all my what ifs is to keep the future timeline the same and let the what if only affect the main timeline. Say we follow the normal story, goku dies, the z fighters die, and no way gohan makes it that long without ssj, and then trunks eventually dies too.
Vegeta would just be in a constant loop of training until he gets to Goku’s level which is not possible. But couldn’t the Dragon Balls be used to grant the transformation?
Vegeta isn’t a bitch, he wouldn’t even fuse he would never wish for power unless his life depended on it
@@HonestlyMixi agreed, but i’m also talking about every saiyan excluding goku. Would Gohan wish for it?
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Unlocking "latent potential" like in the frieza saga could be another way to make vegeta stronger.
Also, my birthday is coming up on the 15th. I have an idea for a scenario which is if one TFS dub character was in DBZ with the canon characters. If not then i have but one request, put a microwave in the video at a random point with the iconic "bad to the bone" intro playing at full blast. And if anyone asks pretend like it never happened. Amd anyone who reads this comment, just go along with it LMAO.
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depending on how ultimate works vegeta wouldn’t need blue he if has the potential to reach that level of power then ultimate would draw it out
So is there ever a somewhat canon explanation on why the other Sayian’s couldn’t get Super Sayian in this What if? Besides Future Trunks obviously.
maybe super saiyan is like being the avatar, there can be only one
i imagine it would be related to Yamoshi, the first Super Saiyan.
The spirit of Yamoshi could inhabit a worthy saiyan or if they are strong enough
@@Balthazar_banaka can be, just that he won't enter into "avatar state" or talk with the past super saiyans XD
This what if is basically if the legend of the Super Saiyan was completely true, meaning that only one would appear every thousand years
I mean there isn’t one. The point of the what it is to make something that doesnt happen originally so we just alter something. If you need something, the SSJ of legend can only be achieved by one person, but it’s kinda js how a what if works. The thing ur changing doesn’t exactly need that typa explanation mainly cuz there isn’t one 🫡
Trunks doesn't need to be a ssj for the what if to continue past Mecha Frieza
Remember, there's the timeline where Trunks wasn't born yet and couldn't intervene when Frieza arrived yet this timeline persists till the androids so Trunks can grow up and then go back in the past
But how?
Goku said he could sense the energies on earth when Trunks fights Frieza and Goku has IT by this point
The moment Goku senses Frieza on Earth then he would IT to earth to stop him and King Cold (this is what had to have happened in the original timeline)
I was looking for this comment because Goku still kills them in the future timeline and all trunks needed to do was bring the medicine when the fight was over and even if Trunks died in the future for not being a ssj future Bulma could have done it
Couldn't vegeta and gohan learn the ikari since its just an evolved stage of great ape and vegeta combin it with kaioken
i mean them learning ikari is a whole different thing and not rly the focus of this what if. Neither of them have tails and they arent broly. Not saying its impossible but very unlikely and I dont see it happening
Great video but it would've been cool to see a Super Saiyan God Vegeta with kaioken or even ultiment.
Woulda been cool for sure and like I said vegeta is likely gonna use his techniques more so to win battles cuz he can’t go past SSG. He lowk might still get ultra ego tho
Ultra Ego And Instinct Aren’t “Saiyan” Forms , They’re Techniques Which Turn Into Forms For The Saiyans To Better Utilize 100%. So He Can Still Get The Form.
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@@SaiyanMotion x2 speed.
@@TrevorD19valid, id do the same thing LOL
Please make What If Goku was the ONLY Super Saiyan part 2
What if Goku Was Born With Demonic Ki?
That’s a very cool idea he should definitely make that
@@HonestlyMixi thx
4:21 you know you could use the kakarot footage right? The one where he fought second form cell
why would vegeta need kaioken to beat pui pui though? pui pui is weak enough to think walking in 10x gravity is impressive. goku trained in 100g on the way to namek. vegeta is FAR stronger than that by the time babidi and dabura arrive
also i think vegeta could have gotten some sort of god + ultimate form for super because a lot of people do that for their stories... but not wanting to *really* cover super is understandable
This story doesn't make sense because you said there could only be 1 Super Saiyan but Trunks is a Super Saiyan. Goku should be the only Super Saiyan.
I said that if trunks isnt a SSJ than the story ends. My logic is that I never change the future timeline in my what ifs. Say we change the future timeline, goku dies of the heart virus (he didnt get it from yardrat watch a video on it), and the others die, gohan eventually dies sooner without ssj, and trunks dies without ssj. Theres no traveling back in time, the story ends peace. Thats why I kept trunks a SSJ so the future timeline stays the same, I only alter the main timeline in my what ifs
What if Goku got that thing oiled down?
So technically gohan still got beast form
Possibly. I think he should be able to but we still don’t know a lot abt origins of the form
So you mean keep it legendary?
I was wondering about a what if.
What if Goku stayed in Super Saiyan ? the cell saga having super sayian as a new base form would have been intresting maybe even taking any power drain off super sayian 3, since goku would be mastering super sayian 1 and 2, and 3 being a last resort power up, but it seems more like super sayian in the begining of the android saga still needing a bit of effort to go into but not as much.
Saiyan Motion: What if Goku was the only Super Saiyan?
Also Saiyan Motion: Immediately introduces another Super Saiyan from a timeline with two other Super Saiyans
Bruh
Why he say piccolo showing up says a lot about him, like Krillen and Yamcha also didn’t show 😂😂
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I mean, a ridiculously strong base form Future Trunks coulda been funny
I don’t really see the events of the. Bu saga going exactly the same considering that Goku is by far the strongest with SJ, so if anyone, he should have been the one to get his energy absorbed.
Yea but thats not the order of fights originally. And goku never powers up so the y wouldn’t know. Gohans energy all be it weak is still wayyy stronger than the avg human whose energy’s spopo and yamu were originally there to collect. They were t expecting to find a Saiyan
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my face was revealed like 2 years ago LOL, i took down the live stream I did it in though so ig not anymore? But yea i havent rly hidden my face for like 2 years
You forget a kaioken x20 is super strains on goku not bc he didt train for longer it’s bc he is a mortal the kaioken is not meant for alive mortals Vegeta would only get x30 by pure luck alone and ssj1 has a x100 so to say vegita in x50 can make goku have to go ssj2 is stupid and the Kai’s would not train vegita and he would need ssj to use god ki not to be rude you need to learn a lot more before making some so wrong and and stupid as this video
I mean technically gohan still gets beast and vegeta can get ue
I don’t disagree. We js don’t know enough abt the forms tbh
Trunks having SS really complicates and makes things confusing for these saiyans huh 😂
yea lol, had vegeta buggin
Vegeta would have been way stronger. Ultimate would allow him to push Kaioken a lot higher than x100 as a maximum. And Ultimate with Super Saiyan God by itself would put him at Blue Evolution easily. Kaioken at this point, at times 100, pushes him close to Goku's level at the first use of UI Omen.
Why would having ultimate make him be able to take kaioken furher lol. They’re 2 entirely different things. But the thing is you have to remember vegeta is not gohan. Gohan had wayy more potential. God would make vegeta stronger than ultimate would and I left it open saying vegeta would use techniques to his advantage. I didn’t say he wouldn’t combine ultimate and god, it’s possible 🌝
Extra tidbit: Vegeta could use Super Saiyan God Kaioken
Id disagree with vegeta being weaker since ultimate unlocks ur latent power and this would allow him to surpass goku by a huge amount.
As much as vegeta trained, I'd argue that his base form is on par with gokus ss form
i mean goku trains js as much as vegeta tho. Vegeta js got his year a bit later than goku did, but goku still trained in the time chamber. I feel like vegetas base would be stronger but it would be VERY close. Like miniscule difference since goku is focusing on SSJ as well
How about this type of what happens goku somehow gone super saiyan 4 blue
3:04 - 3:07 you know Vegeta is just balling up into a corner ruclips.net/video/PHm_B_idud8/видео.htmlsi=UxT-p8evt7TPlFbt kind of like this
Wait, what about Universe 6?
bro how is vegeta still in this hes killing him self u remeber how it got to him in the original yeah
LMAOO
Couldnt vegeta still get ssg? defintely not blue but I don't think the super saiyan form has any relation to the super saiyan God transformation
What if Goku had The Phoenix Force from X-men
Kaioken x100 is below Ssj3 unless Base
Ssj is 50x Base
Ssj2 is 2x Ssj so 100x Base
Ssj3 is 4x Ssj2 so 400x Base
This means for Kaioken x100 to be stronger than or even counteract Ssj3 Vegeta needs a BASE 4x stronger than Goku's Base
Base Vegeta = Base Goku
Ssj Goku >Kaioken x2- x20
Ssj Goku = Kaioken x50 Vegeta
Ssj2 Goku = Kaioken x100 Vegeta
This means
Ssj3 > Kaioken x100
So Vegeta would need either a 4x stronger Base or a Kaioken x400
What if Goku had the Chaquetrix 😂😂🤔🤔
I love that Gohan, goten, and trunks became so irrelevant that the only big change in this what if is Vegeta is weaker. 🙄
I mean they don’t matter if the buu saga goes that way. And I also said that gohan gets ultimate towards the end, I didn’t cover their stories cuz they quite literally are irrelevant for the most part.
@@SaiyanMotion that wasn't meant as criticism, I'm just annoyed with the actual series. 😂
If Vegeta isn't strong enough to push the other z fighters around then a lot of dumb shit doesn't happen, and the child Saiyans have the same impact.
Gohan is impressive against cells and doesn't do much after that. Gotenks doesn't win any fights.
So this what if compared to the original series boils down to Vegeta isn't a threat lol.
@@cronuslite6358 I mean that’s not all that happened but Alr lmao. I mean he got SSG now so like OG only one stronger than him is literally js goku
What if Goku was the only Super Sayan?
Trunks is also a Super Sayan...
Continuity
Well the timeline featuring this What If has only 1 Super Saiyan but Trunks' timeline is a separate and always exists in every what if (kinda) so he is still a Super Saiyan there and so was Vegeta, Goku, etc.
I explained it. The way I was writing I originally wasn’t gonna give it to him but then I realized how that would mess things up later down the road without trunks so I wrote it differently. And I do think continuity matters here
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Beast vegeta????
If vegeta got ultimate he’d be stronger than canon wtf you on plus his base would be way stronger than og too 😂 cmon now
Vegeta’s potential isn’t nearly as high as gohans. Ultimate isn’t gonna do for him what it did for gohan. And SSG vegeta is gonna be stronger than his ultimate version obv. That’s js levels of power, again he isn’t gohan.
@@SaiyanMotion did i say it was the same as gohans? No and if he trained his base the whole time he’d be stronger than og for the fact that training base gets better gains duh yk this for a fact so if he trained his base as hard or harder than he did his ssj forms obviously he’d be stronger and if you didn’t know potential grows as you train idiot potential never stays the same you either waist it or grow it you’d know this if you did anything irl like pumpin weights , anyone can become a boby builder why bc they worked at it growing their potential
@@aayewhyy yes he would be stronger in base I don’t deny it but his experience in using/mastering transformation is far apart from og. I never said vegeta was weaker than canon once he got SSG. I just said going forward he wouldn’t be as strong cuz SSBE and such but using techniques and his abilities he isn’t falling behind. And calm down with the name calling not that deep, it’s dragon ball.
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