What If GOKU and THE SAIYANS Didn't Exist?
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Dragon Ball z kicks off with a revelation that changed the course of Gokus life forever, introducing us to the Saiyans. The most important characters from the series, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, are all saiyans, but What if the saiyans never existed. Not Just Goku, and not everyone but Goku, but every single saiyan. Lets get into it.
What If Saiyan's NEVER Existed?
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Trunks: *moves a chair*
The timeline:
@@bellantxne it changes lol
so basically what if humans finally got the spotlight.
i mean who else are you gonna give it to lol
@@SaiyanMotion right, can't wait for the next video.
@@SaiyanMotion Oolong?
@@overheatedfrost8947 The demon king.
@@SaiyanMotionThe best of the Androids, Edgar. 😆
Dragon Ball being a Tien-Yamcha buddy cop is pretty funny and also kinda cool
Honestly I wish they'd just make a series about Tien and Yamcha going on their own adventures as part of the main canon.
On 13:40 we cant also forget that yamcha and tien with their potential unlocked could also fuse with the potala earings, that should be enough for dabura i think
Metamoran Fusion Dance is also an option too.
@@nearthe2nd fusion dance isn't an option cause Goku got it from the otherworld and Yamch and Tien hasn't been anywhere else but on king kai planet
@@TheAndreyCraft I disagree, it's entirely feasible based on the fact we don't know exactly how Goku meets the Metamorans and learns the fusion dance in the Other World. Since King Kai's Planet is a part of the Other World, King Kai could have been the one to introduce the Metamorans and the Fusion Dance to Goku in canon. Considering King Kai would be training two warriors who would benefit from fusion in Yamcha & Tien in this What If, it could be even more likely for King Kai to think of it. If King Kais don't personally know Metamorans, he has his connections as being North Kai, to the other South, East, West and Grand Kais, who could know Metamorans themselves.
This is a really well thought out what if bro. The aspect of teamwork between everyone as opposed to the Saiyans fighting alone all the time really came in clutch with the battles. Keep it up! 🔥
Preciate it dawg 🙌
If Yamcha was actually useful:
This was basically what if Yamcha was the main character
I'd take Yamaha as the main character any day
Yamcha is useful
hey he was the first character to save goku's life hasiofd
He was useful he sucks now in og he was solid and entertaining once z came bro fell off
I like what ifs that play around with the underutilized characters in Db it's way more interesting to me. Thank you SaiyanMotion
Okay I want to point out a few of my thoughts.
1. Kami and Mr. Popo would eventually decide to look into Kami's origin, getting Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, and Bulma to help and eventually go to Planet Namek in the process. Since Kami does have memories of his space ship in Yunzabit Heights. I would think Kami might wish for his youth in this situation. Bulma would repair Kami's Spaceship. Whether this would be when Frieza attacks Planet Namek depends. The Human Z Fighters and Kami could be capable of defeating Frieza depending on their training in this universe, saving Namek/Or the Namekians.
2. Chichi would be a relevant fighter in this universe, with no reason to settle down, unless she gets with Krillin perhaps. Depending on how Yamcha and Bulma's relationship develops, Yamcha & Bulma could have a child together. Same with Tien & Launch, Launch would stick around as a relevant character in this universe since there's no Saiyans or anything to take away from her screentime during the shift to Z Era.
3. Bulma would absolutely be able to create a Time Machine in this universe. Bulma could get her hands on the Android blueprints and reverse engineer Dr. Gero would to empower Yamcha, Tien, etc. Who ever would be willing.
4. If Kami wishes for his youth, he would be stronger than Piccolo Daimao, so maybe he could fuse with him or Nail, or even Guru.
5. Videl and Hercule would be a more relevant part of the universe, probably training alongside one of the Z Fighters.
6. Beerus would eventually wake up, Earth wouldn't be threatened by him though.
Kami and popo have no reason to look into Kami’s origin. They never did originally they have no reason to. The only way they heard abt namek originally was because of vegeta and the only way they knew where it was is cuz of king Kai.
I js don’t see Videl and hercule doing anything. They rly aren’t that important. Hercule is js a slightly more than average level human. Without gohan video would be the same.
Chi hi maybe I can see ur point but realistically she doesn’t even meet goku and ox king never does anything anyway so why would she hop in? Realistically speaking.
Beerus only woke up originally cuz of the prophecy of the SSG. Without that he would stay sleeping. And even if he did wake up at some point he wouldn’t come to earth at all cuz there’s no prophecy for him to hunt down
@@SaiyanMotion 1. I wholeheartedly disagree. Mr. Popo and Kami seek out Kami's origin by taking Bulma to Kami's Kami's Spaceship in Yunzabit Highlands. Even without Vegeta and the saiyan's existence, Mr. Popo and Kami would've sought out Kami's origin, they might've done so at a different time, maybe later in the timeline or sooner in the timeline. Kami was left with a note that said "Wait here and we will come for you soon.", after waiting for at least 40 years, he left. When Kami would eventually contact King Yemma and King Kai to give the Earthlings access to Kaioken Training in your What If, King Kai could've easily recognized Kami as a Namekian. Kami thought his Spaceship was his home, but Mr. Popo thought otherwise that it was instead a spaceship. King Kai and Vegeta just gave him confirmation that it was.
2. Since Grandpa Gohan stopped the fire atop Mt. Frypan, Ox King and Chi Chi likely would've sought Grandpa Gohan and his student Yamcha out. Chi Chi could've trained under Grandpa Gohan.
With Yamcha & Tien defeating the Androids in this timeline, people would definitely view them as Earth's greatest heroes. Videl would track them down to train under them.
The Earthlings would get access to Potara or Metamoran Fusion. If Yamcha and Tien were close to losing against Dabura, Shin would give them Potara earrings so they could surpass Dabura.
@@SaiyanMotion Couldn't King Kai reveal to both of them that their planet Kami is a namekian? That way they would learn about Kami origins and probably make a trip to Namek.
Haven’t watched what ifs in a minute but this is cinema
also it could end with the universe being destroyed because Zeno felt like it, since he was gonna do it anyways
I bet that, in this timeline, Bulma would build the Time machine not to alert about the Androids, but to alert about Babidi and Dabura, because the power level of the latter would still be beyond astronomical.
What if Bardock and his Crew saves the whole entire Saiyan's and planet Vegeta from Frieza?
i feel like bardock surviving has been done by too many people already. My take on it is pretty similar.
@@SaiyanMotion Not just Bardock survived.
The whole entire Saiyan's survived.
Why?
Because Bardock and his Crew defeated Frieza of this scenario
@@SaiyanMotion do you like that idea as well?
What if the Demon Clan Survived and Raised Piccolo?
Tien and Yamcha: KAI-O KEN
17 & 18: Kio-what?
Can you do "What if aliens didn't exist in Dragonball". Everything before Z is cannon. Kami and King Piccolo would actually be a god and demon respectively, goku would be a human with the magic ability to become a monkey. There would be no Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Frieza, Buu, and Moro. You might need to use movie plots to replace the arcs that we would be missing like janemba replacing buu and stuff like that, also you might need to do a arc where piccolo is a villain and possible have him be redeemed like vegeta.
I can get behind this idea
They would be theree to but they will be humans with super strength etc
This needs to be a “what if” scenario in one of the games.
My jaw dropped when I saw Yamcha fight the demon king in the thumbnail
Don't forget that Tien and Yamcha can fuse. That would be more than enough to defeat Dabura.
Epic video ❤
TLDR: A Theoretical Ultimate Tiencha (or whatever their Potara version would be called); with Kaioken would stomp.
Hear me out. If they got strong enough to effortlessly wield the Z-Sword after training with it; that'd mean their base is around post Z-Sword Gohan's base strength. Then; after the old Kai's ritual they'd gain Ultimate forms. Their Ultimate forms would not be nearly as strong as Gohans, but there would still be a decent amp for them. Plus; they could still utilize Kaioken. Ultimate + Kaioken would be insane for them; especially if they use Potara to fuse.
Lastly; I wonder what having 2 fusion parts that have access to Ultimate would do for the resulting fusion? Perhaps the multiplier from Ultimate would be doubled in the fusion? Even if not; a fusion of the two with Ultimate form + Kaioken multipliers would be no joke.
Very slim chance, but Frieza may still come to Earth in this timeline. If he learns about Dragon Balls and fails to use namekian ones, he may send thousands of scouts in search of either Dragon Balls on other planets, in case those are NOT Namek exclusive, or some other artifacts that may hold mysterious power. Problem is Earth's Dragon Ball may already be gone by the time Frieza's scout finds Earth due to Kami's natural death. Unless there is some convinient retcon/plothole/whatever that Kami's successor can maintain Dragon Balls while not being a Namekian.
No reason for him to learn about the dragon balls, everything they had before Vegeta and Nappa travel to Earth were rumors and myths about the magical prowess of the namekians but that's it, they had no idea about magical orbs that could grant any wish.
Teinshinhan potential unlocked would be at the very minimum Buu saga ssj2 level power.
Tien and yamcha may use potara to defeat Dabura
Yamchas spirit ball and wolf fang fist is underrated
I think in the time where Super occurred. Bulma would be the main character at first. She would prioritize making capsules better for her mother and fathers company. The one cop who was suspcious of her in Super would not be. Because, the saiyans would not be using ki blasts. Which means they would not think bombs were being dropped by Capsule Corp. Krillian still becomes a cop. I guess Tien might end up at the Wildlife Preserve instead of Android 18. Yamcha would leave going off on his own. He was never going to settle down with any women in any timeline. For some reason Choosu opening a food shop just sounds right. He would need to find something to fill his time. Roshi is still the same.
There's a bit of a problem with the Androids. 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 had nothing to do with the cells of the Z-fighters; only Cell did. The only possible reason for them to be weaker in this timeline would be Gero not being concerned about the absurd power level of Goku while he was developing them.
This isn’t true. Sure DNA wise. Cell was the only one made up of there dna but the androids were crafted to be that strong based on how strong the z fighters were. We don’t even reach PLs in the hundreds of thousands by the Android saga so they would be much weaker
lol I like the idea of tamborine showing up and getting stomped by everyone.
I thought for sure Yamcha was about to get Yamcha'd and send Gohan into beast mode!
Edit:LOL Krillin is the survivor.
Was Krillin able to be brought back after the androids killed him? Or was he not able to be brought back?
he would be brought back.
I would love to watch this version!
This feels like a better dbz. No unrealistic power ceiling
Our earth would probably meet the same fate as universe 6 version
This timeline also has a happy end for Frieza, provided he never stumbles on Earth and its amped up humans since either they'd kill him (They thwarted Babidi after all) or Frieza would somehow survive, train, and then everyone would be in seriously deep doo-doo.
Can you make what if Goku has psychic abilities?
What his ability should be. A psychic is a person who claims to use powers rooted in parapsychology such as extrasensory perception (ESP) to identify information hidden from the normal senses, particularly involving telepathy or clairvoyance, or who performs acts that are apparently inexplicable by natural laws, such as psychokinesis.
With super not existing this really is the best scenario possible
If Yamcha was sent to a world without Goku but with all the knowledge up to super
Dang grampa Gohan is pretty dang strong, imagine if he wishes to be young again
Well maybe there's still a Super Human God. And it turns out to be Yajirobe.
This would make Yamcha man up and do what he has to do
Beerus wakes up dreaming of the legendary super human god with all his balding goodness
Why wasn't Mercenary Tao's other victims wished back as well ? 🤔
in the series they only wish back bora so thats all I did
Cool 😎 🆒️ 😊 ❤ 🕊
I’m pretty sure that Gohan wouldn’t be as strong as he was during the fight he had with Goku at FT Babas, if he had faced Roshi in the tournament.
whats the music at 12:21
Roshi and Gohan train under Kami, keeping pace with their students. They create new techniques, also learn the Kaio-Ken, and continue to be relevant. We've seen what happens when Roshi pushes himself.
Given the way the threat escalation works in the Dragon Ball verse, you probably have new threats we've never seen before, and the return of some others we have, with something like Pilaf releasing King Piccolo to help him obtain the Dragon Balls, only for Piccolo to betray him and wish for the restoration of his youth, resulting in an incredible challenge for Gohan and friends.
At some point the characters become so powerful that they're picked up by one of Frieza's scouters or planet-scanners or something and then they have to face off against him.
After that, you still get Cell with Frieza and Namekian DNA.
I think that's along the lines of what Toriyama would have written.
Neato what if! This became the Yamcha and Tenshinhan’s (Who is an admirer of Cell) show.
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i want to leave this short what if to you:
the victory of Super Vegeta!! - what if vegeta defeated perfect cell??
the time had come, vegeta was about to get out of the room of spirit and time but... nothing happened, everyone started to worry after the first hour, vegeta was supposed to leave the room by know but the door didn't open, "something happened??", after another hour they wanted to ask mr popo to force the entry, but then the door oppened
vegeta and trunks came out the room with the clothes severely damaged, the chest piece was gone, the blue expandex had a sleeve and the gloves missing, whatever vegeta was doing these extra couple hours should be really intense
trunks by the other hand was only using his shirt, the jacket was completely gone, his pants had several holes and both look battered, "did they had a fight or something??", vegeta refused to tell what he was doing these extra hours, or days inside, they just changed to bulma's suits and got ready to find cell
the fight went as originally, cell plead to vegeta to let him get his perfect form so vegeta could have a challenge, trunks got in the middle and fought cell and his father, cell blinded them and absorved 18, reaching his perfect form, everyone were terrified except by 1 person, vegeta
vegeta clapped in sarcastic way, telling cell that now he matched his power, but he hoped that wasn't all he had, cell, full of confidence, told vegeta that he made a mistake, because now he was unstoppable, vegeta smirked and provoked cell to fight him, both warriors disappeared as they started fighting, cell overwhelmed vegeta with his new strength, but something was off, despite cell having advantage, he felt that his attacks against vegeta weren't having the desired effect
this thought was confirmed when vegeta smirked cleaning off the blood of his lip, he was indeed stronger, but vegeta wanted cell to go all out, cell felt uneasy but he shrugged it off and kept fighting as they raised their power, but soon enough he saw it even if he was fighting vegeta with almost all his power, he felt vegeta wasn't really shaken, in fact he looked more confident, as he told cell that even in that situation, vegeta wasn't giving all the power he had, so he asked, no HE ORDERED cell to use all his power, otherwise, vegeta would exterminate him
cell lost it, cursing vegeta while he put his hands on a cup in front of him, charging a kame hame ha with every inch of his power they he launched against vegeta, vegeta by his side had a flash of memory, remembering the first time he saw that technique, so he thought that the best way to end this was responding with a galick gun, vegeta charged his attack and launched it against cell, as the beams clashed and started to struggle cell yelled how he was gonna kill vegeta, and then he was going to kill the earthlings one by one, starting with his stupid kid and family, vegeta, suddenly vegeta expression changed, and with a sign of rage on his face pured more power into his attack, slowly pushing cell's
cell tried to fight back, pushing but it was useless, for every inch or extra power he putted, vegeta responded with ten times more, then finally cell lost the battle, as he saw the beam coming towards him he knew, it was over, even his perfect form wasn't enough, cell disintegrated with only one emotion left...
fear...
THE END
once again Yamcha saves the day
#What if Tein killed Goku during the world Martial arts tournament?
There would be no one left to stop King Piccolo until Raditz arrives and destroys the planet
How did this not end with them using the potara earrings?
i didnt think of it... but thats a damn good way to win
What if the whole entire Saiyan's we're the legendary Super Saiyans on Planet Vegeta?
I think the story works out until the Dabura fight. I can’t imagine Tien and Yamcha being even close to dabura (who’s supposed to be as strong as perfect cell)even with all their training and experience..I’d say they’d probably be around as strong as freezer actually probably not even that. the many “missed” zenkais, not fighting as strong threats as in the main story and just not being saiyans in the first place…
That's when Bulma creates a Time Machine in this timeline, to warn the others 10 years in advance about the arrival of these 2. And adding Yamcha and Bulmas Future son to the Team.
But also without Earth being in Freezer territory. Places that the Galactic Patrol avoids! They'd actually come to earth to punish future son. Also Jaco and Bulma have no past connections as this would be his first visit in this timeline (originally he first came to earth, because they detected a saiyan attack drone aka Kakarots pod).
Meaning that Jaco would be a new enemy.
But I don't think they're to big of a thread as the majority is weaker than namek Saga Goku, which Yamcha and Tien should have surpassed at this point in time.
While still giving them stronger opponents to train against.
Or they still solve it peacefully, gaining Intel from Jaco about the Universe, most importantly Kami being a Namekian. Which would result in them traveling to Namek looking for support, training, potential unlocks, and maybe even a fighter and a fusion partner for Kami.
Garlic Jr. Being immortal could once freed could kill cell and the androids.
If the saiyans never existed, Piccolo would’ve succeeded his world domination because no Goku
If Yamcha was the main character.
Part 2 please I awlys wanted to know how it would be if goku never existed
this is a one-parter. Theres nothing rly more to be done with the series
If there were no goku then at the end of dbz it would be fighting majin buu and cell each other
Good.
But let's don't forget the high probability of Puar & Oolong staying on Master Roshi's island for...
Entertainment purposes :b
Yo Please Do What If Frieza won on Namik!
How about a "what if raditz won"😮
Don't forget yajirobe.
One what if I want see you return is what if kami raise picclo
What is this question? Then Bulma would get eaten by the bird thing in chapter 1 and there'd be no dragon radar and no one would ever have met each other since Goku was the catalyst for the entire main cast to hang out
I guess Krillin would still train so he'd probably be the hero
If saiyans never existed, then the human cast would actually use the Dragonballs intelligently to defeat or even prevent future opponents. No battle hungry saiyan character refusing to use the DBs to end threats early. The human characters would wish for every single advantage they can get: immortality, potential unlock, android blue prints, Babidi's space craft to malfunction in space, the location of Dr. Gero's lab, infinite time machine fuel, make Earth invisible to outsiders, etc.
I did a story very similar to this but instead I made it where goku was raised by frieza
So basically Dragonball if it was peak.
Supreme Kai would probably get Frieza to be trained and beat Daburah as they could be a threat to his empire.
they either get destroyed by frieza or kid buu
Here's an interesting one. What if Bandages the Mummy decided to become a Z fighter after meeting Goku?
But what if Tien and Yamcha learn fusion?
This is basically What if saiyans didn't exist, but Yamcha isn't Yamcha, but Goku in disguise
Real Yamcha would have stopped his training when the peace came
How would U7 look during the TOP?
13:15 Oversight, how do they pull the z sword?
w/ kaioken. Would def need to train first under the kais before being able to do it though.
@@SaiyanMotion I feel like you could calculate the power level. I could do physics for it. But I would assume it's not possible, unless kaioken x40 at least
@@TrevorD19 agreed abt atleast x40. But thats not out of reach. Goku got from x4 max to x20 max in 6 days.
@@SaiyanMotion I guess so.
The turn edit is real
Can Kami be useful or join the fight in this fanfic if he wished to the dragonballs to turn himself young again? Or is that possible?
Lets be honest if this happened the earthlings journey would more than likely end on planet namek because frieza would straight decimate all of them
9:33 That’s Drum
ik.. i fumbled
I’m pretty sure King Piccolo would have prevailed
Only real chance theyd have is 8f piccolo also fused with kami
I'd pay to watch that Piccolo fight
i feel like Zamasu and Moro would still happen tbh, just very very differently
Sounds kinda better then what we got.
But frieza is still out there pirating planets. Is very unlikely earth would be completely safe from him.
And then of course theres zeno deleting every universe cause he was board
Since Gohan had to go ssj and still struggled to pull the sword out I fear yamcha and tien pulling the sword out is impossible. Even if they use kaioken, they'd probably die trying to push kaioken further.
Maybe they pull it out together... I guess, but they still have to be able to lift the sword to use it and Idk if there'd be enough time to gain the strength to use the sword... hyperbolic timechamber training would still be possible tho I think. So maybe there's a really small chance.
If oda wrote dragon ball:
What if Bardock and his Crew spared the Toolo and the kanassans from Planet Kanassa?
So you are saying Grandpa Gohan would have had a ton of spotlight and adventures if it wasnt for Goku stealing his show lol
Wasn’t the whole reason the Androids existed was Geros hatred for Goku ? Wouldn’t this mean that they wouldn’t even be made ?
If yamcha was goku
There's no Saiyan/Freeza/Namek DNA on android 17 and 18 ... just in Cell
RIP Earth 😔
Realistic the androids or buu would just obliterate everything
Buu for sure. Androids prolly not. And I give the reason in the vid
Without the Saiyans excreting their KI everywhere it would take decades longer for Buu to hatch if at all!
Babidi was honestly an idiot for trying to collect energy on Earth a planet with such an extremely low power median.
If it weren't for Vegeta clashing with Goku, and the stolen energy from Gohan, Babidi would have never hatched Boo.
@@SaiyanMotionyea your right forgot the only reason there were so powerful because of the data of goku and the rest of them
What if Goku originally died in the original dragon ball and couldn't be revived again in z
Ultimate Tiencha fusion?
That's why characters need their own comics/manga. I mean none og the characters suck they are all badass I their own way when the earth's defenders showed up in the Moro arc that shit gave massive saiyan saga feels except the earthlings held it downish.
evil piccolo would have taken over earth
What would happen in Dragon Ball GT though?
I think they would die to Dabura honestly. The Androids would be much weaker, probably close to Ginyu's, or even potentionally just the standard Ginyu forces power levels as the highest power level around probably wouldn't be over 500. Even with consistent training from Tien and Yamcha. So even if they trained under King Kai, learned the Kaio Ken etc. Shin could breath on them and they would topple over like insects. Even if they had somehow gotten 500,000 on a power level scale, That doesn't even measure up to first form Frieza. I don't think Shin would waste his time training them. Tien managed to get pretty strong for one of the humans, but he also had Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo as a gauge to which he had to evolve to, he never managed to do it, but he pushed himself pretty hard. Only having Yamcha as the strongest around will stunt your growth!
Dabura would just destroy both of them without breaking a sweat, since he was at Super Perfect Cell's level, even with Tien training and training and training in the main time line when he should be stronger than this one, he wasn't even close to Perfect Cell's level.
What about Mr satan, videl, chi-chi, human trunks
I dont see satan and videl playing any role. And most likely there wouldnt be a human trunks but if there was... he'd js be there, not very useful as a human sadly
oh i thought you would just make Goku and everyone else a human lol
What if the spirit bomb killed freeza? Goku returns to earth and doesn't learn to be a super sayan. Does he survive the heart virus only to be killed by gero and 19? Vegeta never becomes a super sayan does or does he still train in space and has that deperation moment? Still gets the save on goku? 17 and 18 get awakened? Goku sees supersayan and trains to transform himself? On namek if the spirit bomb kills freeza do they still use earth balls to revive the namek along with guru who unlocks gokus potential? What if