The most humble comment I ever heard was: "Because... in the minds of Chinese people, we believe that a loss is a loss." "We, and the Chinese community, felt that we lost because we weren't as good as the others" -Banana #Respect
I was glad he shared that sentiment because dota has never been a game about fairness or balance, and it’s sad that monetization forces them to change things people are too stupid to work around like getting hooked into a fountain teleports. Everyone just wants to run and scream and cry “imba” or “op”, and anyone who disagrees simply can’t hang and needs to excuse their shitty playing ability by deeming in game mechanics that have been there for the longest time as unfair. There’s always a workaround, and the mechanics from Warcraft 3 are what made dota what it is by virtue of being held with in the boundaries of an old ass map making tool on an outdated game. Half the abilities and the reason they act the way they do are because of wc3 game mechanics, which newbies who have only played dota 2 are will never be able to grasp
@@syndrosevibritannia3983 it was Notail Idea to make it into a carry hero. Ana only said the heart on Io was broken as he had been playing it as a support with his friends.
@O K I wanna add on! Topson's Gyro Diffusal to counter Bristleback was such a surprise too. In hindsight it's perfectly logical, but that was out of nowhere.
Loda won a whole international abusing the heavy rat element of that patch. Moment ratting was no longer viable he faded into obscurity. He doesn't get to complain about shit.
@@patrickjunescamilla8622 no it wasn't a bug. It was the way hook worked. Pudge hooked, and the hook would come back to the pudge no matter where the pudge is. Hook was returning to PUDGE, not to the location pudge initially used the hook first. It's not a bug, that was how hook worked back in the day. it was changed cus navi did something amazing not something buggy. Remember that this trick was pulled by the best chen and the best pudge in the world ( by far) at that time. It was NOT an easy thing to do, if it was easy to think and to do, then everybody would do it. Top players like loda ( who was crying like a baby cus he was too scared to face navi later on) tried this and failed.
@O K they cant afford to just focus bully on ana IO tho, topson at that time was a far more of a threat in team fights if he gets fat from the space created by liquid bullying ana io.
@O K bruh you were talking about the ana io carry in the grand finals in TI and now you reply me with Topson tiny? Topson was Gyro on that last match in the finals with Ana as the IO carry and even with ana as the pos 1, topson can still be a formidable main carry in that match with ana io supporting and boosting topson's gyro dps while still be able to dish out a great dps with io's spirits against liquid.
TimboStyle_CNWY Loda was probably mad because he didn't want to face Na'Vi again for the grand finals. Alliance still won, but it only took them another 5 games against Na'Vi, and boy was it a grueling grand final.
@@AlienMax95 Loda didn't lose though? It was more the fact that Navi only won because of the fountain hook, which was as Dendi and Puppey said, way too strong. Still gotta hand it to them, they tried something new and it worked out well. If they perhaps practiced it before and knew of the bug itself, it would be a different story.
Yeah I lose to a Io and that only destroyed the mid lane towers with sniper when it was late game because my team was toxic and didn't want to push when we could have won😓
I love the mentality of Tongfu. They took the defeat like champions. They panicked that's why they lost. If you miss the hook it's a 4 vs 5 situation you bound to lose the fight and probably the game. It was dangerous to use fountain hook, Navi still pulled it of. Bravo.
He uses a service to get likes on his comments that no one actually cares about. SImilar to mg-likers or something. You can speculate from there what kind of person would need such a thing... youtube comment likes... heh...
I love how dota doesn't try to hide or forget its bugs and mistakes they understand that these things are a part of the game and they cherrish and memorialize it.... and it is beautiful❤️
That’s why Icefrog was never mistaken for choosing Valve to develop Dota 2. If it was another company who may have handled the game, it will be a game that is made to spoonfeed crybaby players’ whims and whines. Gigachad Dota 2 is different from the ripoffs though.
@@emojest18 Yep, the difference was in hooking to Pudge's current position, not when the hook was casted. Same thing was fixed with Shackleshot (WR could blink to guarantee the shackle) a bit after.
+Andrei Diana No, its not sarcasm. The thing about the chinese pride is; if they fail, its not anybody else's fault, it just means they need to get better. I listened, there was no sarcasm in his voice.
Then why isnt your shitty island fighting against china? Your island is a 3rd world failure, you wimp. All your countrymen are wimps for not fighting for what is theirs. China: We take your shit. You + your people: You take our shit. *cries to the rest of the world how "unfair" it was. Typical 3rd world logic.
but PPD also have point, if that "bug" is unbalance. people would have done it but its not. That "bug" have a very high skill cap (its just that dendi and puppey made it look so easy) . I mean, of course i can see that its pretty bullshit to literally kill a fat gyro with aegis twice with just one hook but it is only fair to give navi that win since they didn't really messed the game, it just one of those loopholes they found in the game due to the fact that dendi plays a monstrous pudge and puppey play an insane Chen. Besided, lulda also tried this strat and didnt even succeed.
+John Anthony Arcillas An imbalance inside of the game would be Sniper and spectre during the 6.83 era. Fountain hooking on the other hand is an error or flaw inside the game, which results in an unexpected result. The intention of the developers was the fact that an affected target would be pulled towards pudge. If their intention ever was to get the target into the fountain, they simply would give him an global hook. So in someway it fills the criteria of a bug. I mean, at one point in the history of Dota, you could get up to four enemey heroes to your fountain. It was never done in a pro game, but you could do it. And it got removed for the same reason. In was an unexpected failure of the software, which in other words means "bug" Hell even today, the same ability, who could achieve that, sometimes bugs out and teleports both the caster and the target to a certained point on the map..
it aint a bug. If you want to be exact, game mechanic abuse is the word. I mean, sure the developer didn't intend to make that available in the game, but because of very special circumstances (Dendi being the best pudge in the world and Puppey being one of the best chen players in the world) this game mechanic abused is formed. Besides, i doubt people would start winning games because by copying it. In fact, i could say that this has much lower winning percentage than a sniper in 6.83.
like it or not.. fear or not... bug or not...imbalance or not... the navi fountain hook still the most fenomenal brilliant and biggest strategi on dota professional tournament in history... and the important thing is the audience enjoyed that match
They don't understand the fact that the match was a Captain's draft - meaning that both teams have the chance to ban the heroes or pick the heroes to use for fountain hook. It is indeed one of the best strategy besides the old Earthshaker's fissure crep stacking at the radiant top lane.
Yeah, waste a very important first ban for a bugged hero which is not in the meta and get outdrafted from youre oponents... 3k players... You don´t have to ban chen for doing this by the way, it also works with other heroes like kunka for example.If Navi would have lost that way, the community would have a totally different opinion. I flame Valve for allowing this, not Navi. When you can win so much money, they should take it more seriouse.
@@Ike92240 not saying it was but it was fucking unbalanced because back-door protection wasn't a thing back then. Imagine you're about to win and you haven't lost a single tower then they just take your towers using np tp and relocate
Probably the biggest reason they got so far. They're willing to reflection how they could have played better instead of blaming the tactics of the other team.
I think it was partly just because the fact that it was the 3rd of 3 games and that Na'Vi was loosing really bad early on, thus when Na'Vi won in a way that wasn't entirely possible to counter, other than just map awareness and positioning, it felt like an unclean win. But the fun stuff like this, it makes some of the best memories for almost everyone. :D
I still don't understand why Loda is the only one so worked up about the fountain hook. Even Banana, whose team lose to that strat, says it's mostly their fault for 'not playing good enough', and ppd even knows how hard it is to pull it off, especially in a such important match.
Devin1pm That's one possibility... Fountain hook is unreliable, though, and it can be countered by supreme vision and map control, something which is Alliance is good at.
ITS not bug noob its skill , the hook fly and chen tp pudge home and hook is still there and get a hero ,where the hook will go to pudge because its not Bug . IF they say that a bug that mean normal hook to lang is bug and . The point is that pudge hook should go back to pudge or what dude those noob . They know Comback is real . Kk who say bug tell Comback is bug ?
its unfair or bla bla u can talk anything, BUT its HISTORICAL moment of dota2 like notail said "u can win the game even in a weird ways" I agree with him. THIS IS DOTA DUDE!
I understand how loda felt, I woulda felt the same way If I was watching that as a pro player, but as a fan it was insane to watch! Really love the Chinese community to about the situation, very humble!
No matter if the fountain hook was bug-abusing or not...it made Dendi the immortal player he deserves to be and it was one of the iconic moves that went down in Dota history...well deserved!
I actually think that Loda is on-point here and justified in making a scene (although he didn't do it in the most dignified way). Keep in mind that Alliance play Na'Vi after this. The fountain-hook is a carry-over mechanic from DotA 1 days where the hook would mimic the movement of the pudge and the end-point trigger in the original skill was to pull the target to Pudge's location right at the moment of impact or max hook extension. It is not technically a "strat" in itself, although it *does* require skill, planning, timing and nerves of steel to pull it off. The reason it was removed was because it was deemed unfair to a team that had played well, been ahead the whole game and had the advantage (a big chunk of it) removed with little-to-no cost for the other team. Two fast-cooldown skills with no risk to the heroes using them do not merit the takedown of an Aegis carrying, semi full-slotted hard carry. When a fountain hook hits you, there's almost nothing you or your teammates can do to save you. It outpaces buyback cooldown, goes through BKB, has crazy range and completely destroys 1-core strats. The reason Na'Vi was allowed that win was because it was such a crazy move to do that nobody had thought of utilising it prior. The sheer creativity was mind-blowing. The crowd *loved* it, this had never been done before. Much less on a professional level. Valve had no precedent (although them removing it was the right move). And let's face it, this definitely makes the top ten list of greatest things to have ever happened in DotA. This was fucking cool. Hats off to the attitude the Chinese players have here. They look first to themselves for areas where they can improve and take the loss in their stride, never complaining or bitching about this OP (yet fucking cool) mechanic. They just look for ways to overcome it and blame themselves for not being better. Imo, this was what made Chinese teams so great.
Edit: I could be very wrong about the carry-over mechanic. In DotA 2, it seems more like the hook drags the target back to the position of Pudge while the hook is still extending.
IKR these crazy rabid guys, just arguing about fountain hooking is a bug exploit and shit. and im just sit here thinking. isn't that puppey sitting next to dendi?
Fountain Hooking isn't 'Wrong' Is Animation Cancelling Wrong? Is Creep Blocking Wrong? These tactics are all things that was discovered by the Community Yes, they were unintentional but we made them part of the Game
+EMPEROR HAN Chinese peeps are literally one of the best players in Dota if you ask me. I played in a Chinese server once, and I lost 247 mmr in 3 days
Ahh, yes... The time of Pudge wannabes and the Dragon Claw hook's stock price rose through the sky. I'm in tears. Dota was the biggest part of my youth.
It was not easy to pull off, yes, but the effort is not equal to the result. Is it balanced for 2 underfarmed heroes to kill 1 carry with full item that easily?
@@okkydirgantaraohara126 if it was THAT easily, everyone would've been doing it. Loda even tried that, and failed. But instead only dendi and puppey had the balls to go for it in the middle of a TI losing match and pull it off, making them win the game. Hats off for that.
just letting you guys know there was a match where loda tried the fountain hook just before this happened and failed so miserably. I forgot who was matched up against them though.
@@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Have you ever seen the dirt calling itself" Europe" or "Asia"? Go figure you smartass-wanna-be dumbass. I am not talking about territory but occupiers.
@@Todsor Calm down Teroph is probably just some ignorant American or something similar since he speaks about Europe as if it is a country even tho it contains 44 countries with all unique cultures.
I undertsand Loda's point of being a mechanic abuse that can really break the game, but on the other hand it takes serious balls to pull that off and that alone deserves respect. First of all you need to draft Pudge on your team in such a big stage which was (and still is) quite unorthodox Hooking someone at a TI stage is quite hard because, lets be honest, we're talking about the best players in the world, they will be prepared and have cat reflexes to dodge the hook. Then the amount of coordination required to pull that move is insane. You needed 2 players to coordinate their spells in a 1 second window without counting the hook travel time and distance. I think thats why the chinese didnt mind about it, they recognize that they should be dodging those hooks in the first place and they know that dota always was an high risk high reward game., and tbh thats why i love this game. Im so glad i got to watch this game live.
okay im playing dota again after 2yrs.. this vdeo always gets me back into the game.. reminds me what dota is all about... the fountain hook is one thing but what the players comment what moves me...damn i love dota...
The US has 46 gold medals, UK has 27 and China 26. Also Europe has 500+ million people not 65 million. Also on a per capita basis Bahrain beats all three in gold medals.
Fountain hook requires precision and trust both to your teammates perspective as well as focus.That can't be perfectly be just a bug. Those timing became one of renowned scenes in the game
Loda too salty the fountain hook was actually a part of the dota physics plus it needs timing to be done. They didnt remove fountain hook because it was unfair, it was removed because everyone would focus trying to do it
More of a player interaction thing came in play. Like getting hooked and just dying in a combat is ok since it doesn't seem too bs. It's a player vs player thing. Even after you get hooked, there are options. But fountain hook made it seem like a player vs game thing where the only way to prevent it is either banning it or 'just dodge it' - 0 options. This kind of mechanic in my opinion is not so healthy for the game.
It is still using the regular hooking mechanism, but required incredible timing and skill on Navi's part to pull off. If you can dodge a regular hook, you can dodge these. Besides, with a fountain hook, you have enough time to teleport back to base while being hooked. It's not as unfair as it seemed.
I think its pretty unfair. But in navi's case i think it was fair cause they tried to come up with something for them to turn the tides. Creative even though pressured
God bless Dendi, God bless Puppey, forever ethched in our hearts and we were lucky enough to be at the time when that happened, to witness it live... what a beautiful memory watching it over night in cybercafe with the guys.
Honestly, I never considered the fountain hook to be a bug. It was just another of those crazy and fun strats that you could use in DotA and it worked so well because Navi could actually pull it off in a tournament. Navi is still today remembered today as the team that could adapt to any situation. At that time they embodied what DotA is all about: everything and anything is possible in this game. And I´m glad that it didn´t change when they removed it. The difference today is that there are many more teams that have become as flexible as Navi was, to the point of surpassing them. Anyway, the fountain hook was a two edged sword, you could triumph brilliantly if you made it work or lose horribly if you failed the hook, so I don´t know what Loda´s problem is/was...
@Jebaited LUL yeah most likely. The stress after Fly, Cr1t and S4 left OG then finding one more player to fill in for mid role. Glad they found Topson and Ana came back then Ceb took the offlane role.
I've been playing Dota for about 6 years now since Dota from WC3, till date only played 2 League games in my life. You actually don't even make sense. You're telling me a bug/abuse brings more people to the platform than TI2 wombo combos, TI1 enigma offlane, TI3 rats, TI4 deathball. You're funny, I like you.
Mark Chew In TI 3 Event Iam not Playing dota in that time then I hear a news about the fountain hook to my friends I don't know where but THE FOUNTAIN HOOK Is one of the reason why dota is popular and btw u talk like a pro huh
Arjim Banuelos It is really hard to explain what I'm trying to get across here. In my opinion Dota2 is popular because the game mechanics, it's more competitive, endless combinations, more reactionary gaming compared, and less grinding required (compared to league which you need to unlock heroes, and although my grinding phase is over). Fountain hook in my opinion is just a bug, a normal bug you can find in every new patch. A bug WILL not be my choice whether the game attracts me or not, and I don't think that applies to any game. If CSGO had a bug where you could see through walls, do you think people are attracted? Whereas if CSGO had a mechanic where certain materials can be wallbang, do you think they are attracted better?
@@DOZY69 I didn't say that I am successful. Just saying that such "legendary" stuff happening in video games, aren't legendary. Now try to pull such things off irl. Now THAT is legendary. P.S. Keep your petty attempts to insult to yourself, unless you are in the right.
It was definitely the right call to remove the Fountain hook interaction, but I'm so glad this happened at least for a while. The memories are precious.
"you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done" just waiting for the techies moving mine ancient kill in the pro scene...
You can discredit the game but in reality like Dota is still the same, you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done. -
To those that keep backing up Loda. Please read this and this help to explain why Tongfu players don't even get mad at the hook they got mad at their core instead Loda was the only super salty dude there. There's a reason why Dendi fountain hook was considered Miraculous. It was not a bug to begin with. That was the feature of pudge hook since Dota1. Pudge hook got a wording to it that states "pudge hook will pull the enemy towards his current location" and at that time you can hook and walk towards the enemy at the same time to shorten the distance so you can dismember much quicker there was even a force staff into a cliff hook combo back then pudge got many possibilities it's just quite impossible to be pulled of because. Firstly, you need a support with you always to help make these plays. Secondly, the precise timing required to do it is near impossible even the fountain hook you need to time it really well to throw the hook right at the moment when the chen teleport gonna send you back to the base if not the game registered your position is still at the place you hooked and not at your current position. Tha's why they totally reworked Pudge hook to only pull the enemy to his initial hook position. It was never a bug to begin with it's just how the hook worked but require god level of precision in timing that's why Tongfu was not salty about the hooks and why they said it was miraculous.
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Bug or not, FOUNTAIN HOOK IS ONE OF DOTA's MOST POPULAR TRADEMARK.
agreed
agreed. dota 2 was like flavourless delicious food. fountain hook was the spicy.
Rafli Yaumil and a very difficult recipe too! this needs practice and cooperation.
I don't consider it a bug!
These guys make it look so easy!
Go try it out for yourself, Then you will see.
Farbod Yeh. it is not a bug. it is a skill!
The most humble comment I ever heard was:
"Because... in the minds of Chinese people, we believe that a loss is a loss."
"We, and the Chinese community, felt that we lost because we weren't as good as the others"
-Banana
#Respect
Fernan Brigino Agree
Fernan Brigino lol. you're chinese
I was glad he shared that sentiment because dota has never been a game about fairness or balance, and it’s sad that monetization forces them to change things people are too stupid to work around like getting hooked into a fountain teleports. Everyone just wants to run and scream and cry “imba” or “op”, and anyone who disagrees simply can’t hang and needs to excuse their shitty playing ability by deeming in game mechanics that have been there for the longest time as unfair. There’s always a workaround, and the mechanics from Warcraft 3 are what made dota what it is by virtue of being held with in the boundaries of an old ass map making tool on an outdated game. Half the abilities and the reason they act the way they do are because of wc3 game mechanics, which newbies who have only played dota 2 are will never be able to grasp
meanwhile some pro player bitching its op and calling it unfair, afterwards failing to do the same shit.
I'm chinese and that's bullshit. Omegalul
n0tail: "you can still win the game in that most weird way that hasn't been seen or done.."
n0tail: "aNa lEt's Do CaRry IO!!"
Honestly it was ana's idea
@@syndrosevibritannia3983 and notail enabled it
@@syndrosevibritannia3983 it was Notail Idea to make it into a carry hero. Ana only said the heart on Io was broken as he had been playing it as a support with his friends.
i remember about it XD
@@I3ULL5HIT it was ana's idea, he played carry IO with his friends in pubs and proposed to try it.
And notail won 2 TIs with weird play-styles. What a time to be alive.
O S
I want OG play their pick’n’draft against open ai
4 spirits strats incoming for ti10 😂
2 weird play-styles ?? How ?? Could you tell me??
@@sigosobreviviendoperoyanos9310 io carry?
@O K I wanna add on! Topson's Gyro Diffusal to counter Bristleback was such a surprise too. In hindsight it's perfectly logical, but that was out of nowhere.
Loda was bitching about fountain hook but i remember that he tried to do it in the last tournament before ti3 and he failed...
Yeah,i didnt remember exactly but he also tried once
Loda won a whole international abusing the heavy rat element of that patch. Moment ratting was no longer viable he faded into obscurity. He doesn't get to complain about shit.
Salty boi 😂
Imagine if [A] lost to Na`Vi in the final, Lulda will smack Dendi hard
@@giantasianstickerr puppey once beat the fuck out of a guy because he bad mouthed dendi :)
"You must respect the skill it took for the fountain hooks to happen"
-ppd
Ppd to the rescue! Loda still bitter af
@@miguelsoliven1820 ppd before he gets salty
It also takes skill to stand out in the open against Pudge
Still a bug dude
@@patrickjunescamilla8622 no it wasn't a bug.
It was the way hook worked.
Pudge hooked, and the hook would come back to the pudge no matter where the pudge is.
Hook was returning to PUDGE, not to the location pudge initially used the hook first.
It's not a bug, that was how hook worked back in the day.
it was changed cus navi did something amazing not something buggy.
Remember that this trick was pulled by the best chen and the best pudge in the world ( by far) at that time.
It was NOT an easy thing to do, if it was easy to think and to do, then everybody would do it.
Top players like loda ( who was crying like a baby cus he was too scared to face navi later on) tried this and failed.
*Notail:*
"Dota is like life you know, shit happens you have to deal with it."
if "shit happens" means IO carry in ti9, how do you deal with that?
@O K they cant afford to just focus bully on ana IO tho, topson at that time was a far more of a threat in team fights if he gets fat from the space created by liquid bullying ana io.
@O K bruh you were talking about the ana io carry in the grand finals in TI and now you reply me with Topson tiny? Topson was Gyro on that last match in the finals with Ana as the IO carry and even with ana as the pos 1, topson can still be a formidable main carry in that match with ana io supporting and boosting topson's gyro dps while still be able to dish out a great dps with io's spirits against liquid.
@O K yeah and when OG decides to go with ana's shenanigans, topson usually adjusts and picks a reliable carry hero.
@@jefterlauglaug8096 it is OG who pick carry hero name Topson in Dota . they should ban Topson
"Dendi: The Face of Dota 2" watching the fountain hook again after the Team Spirit win TI10.
Bulldog is the real face of Dota
Bulldog? Wtf hahahaha
Let leni lead
@@dziqii go home you're drunk
@@dziqii bulldog lmao 😂
Not pictured: Loda trying this exact strategy two months prior to TI3 and failing the timing every time.
maybe he just understand and learn the chinese thought
video.?
Do you have a source on that? Or am I just to believe you? Cause no one would lie on the internet, right?
where can we see that? do you have a link ¿?
anyone can hit a few hooks.
DOES ANYONE ELSE REALIZED THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE INTERVIEWEES IS NOW A TI WINNER? INCLUDING NOTAIL, THEY KNEW!
Kiet Nguyen yes you’re right
didnt know loda was screaming at the end of a match...sore loser hahahhahhaa
Dang!
TimboStyle_CNWY Loda was probably mad because he didn't want to face Na'Vi again for the grand finals. Alliance still won, but it only took them another 5 games against Na'Vi, and boy was it a grueling grand final.
@@AlienMax95 Loda didn't lose though? It was more the fact that Navi only won because of the fountain hook, which was as Dendi and Puppey said, way too strong. Still gotta hand it to them, they tried something new and it worked out well. If they perhaps practiced it before and knew of the bug itself, it would be a different story.
"you can still win games in the most weird ways"
Yeah ti9 io core
Nowadays supports becoming cores mid/lategame is almost always a thing, as a support player I absolutely love this new meta lol
OG pick Io Core
Loda: It's not fair! It's not fair! Disqualification!
Yeah I lose to a Io and that only destroyed the mid lane towers with sniper when it was late game because my team was toxic and didn't want to push when we could have won😓
And diffusal gyro
Flashbacks from dota 1 where kotl midlaner
I love the mentality of Tongfu. They took the defeat like champions. They panicked that's why they lost. If you miss the hook it's a 4 vs 5 situation you bound to lose the fight and probably the game. It was dangerous to use fountain hook, Navi still pulled it of. Bravo.
i love the ''valve cinematic'' part
the SFM?
He uses a service to get likes on his comments that no one actually cares about. SImilar to mg-likers or something. You can speculate from there what kind of person would need such a thing... youtube comment likes... heh...
You do realise he'll soon remove these comments or try and act as if he doesn't use it at all.
*****
oh no thats terrible
i would never do such a thing
yo long time im threedimensia remember me hahaha
Lmfao how ironic that one of the few people that aren't salty about the fountain hook is PPD.
LOL, so right, it just hit me, Loda is just a hater.
stupid loda cant even respect
it wasnt his team which lost. thats why
I like how he tried to do this once in a tournament before and failed and then became salty when navi tried it Rofl
PPD wasnt playing dota at the time, he wouldn't really have a lot of reason to be.
Who's here after TI9.
N0tail: You can win with weird ways that haven't been seen or done.
notail looks damn fresh now compared to old notail. goddamn
io carry
I love how dota doesn't try to hide or forget its bugs and mistakes
they understand that these things are a part of the game and they cherrish and memorialize it....
and it is beautiful❤️
That’s why Icefrog was never mistaken for choosing Valve to develop Dota 2. If it was another company who may have handled the game, it will be a game that is made to spoonfeed crybaby players’ whims and whines. Gigachad Dota 2 is different from the ripoffs though.
That wasn't a bug just stretched mechanics
@@luisvilca4467 It was a bug since it wasn't there in DotA. Remember that DOTA2 was tied to WC3 map up to 6.83.
@@chupasaurus I think it's connected to the blink hook. And they also removed it.
@@emojest18 Yep, the difference was in hooking to Pudge's current position, not when the hook was casted. Same thing was fixed with Shackleshot (WR could blink to guarantee the shackle) a bit after.
I like the chinese players quote : "if it's lose then it's a lose" ...
+Andrei Diana No, its not sarcasm. The thing about the chinese pride is; if they fail, its not anybody else's fault, it just means they need to get better. I listened, there was no sarcasm in his voice.
Andrei Diana Tho those gamers are seperate from their government, they can't have control over that.
+Andrei Diana don't bring national problems to the table of esports to support your racsim views ffs
Then why isnt your shitty island fighting against china? Your island is a 3rd world failure, you wimp. All your countrymen are wimps for not fighting for what is theirs.
China: We take your shit.
You + your people: You take our shit. *cries to the rest of the world how "unfair" it was.
Typical 3rd world logic.
lol i can't see the comment, what did she write??
Good times.
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ate lorelyn
+daberino peperoni f
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1:06 - his hand is shaking so much, I can't imagine how much adrenaline players have at such a crucial moment
One thing he had in common with Invoker
Such a small detail that I never would've noticed without you pointing it out.
That is nuts
guy in the back : egg and chicken who come first....?
@@LucyRennn HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA
I'm not realize that until you pointing it LOL
You know , this not first time you watch this and you getting older every time you watch.
“THE BIGGEST FUCKING JOKE I'VE EVER SEEN" - Lulda TI3
how about lulda's sphere or getting eliminated by an open qualifier team? I think that is the biggest joke.
but PPD also have point, if that "bug" is unbalance. people would have done it but its not. That "bug" have a very high skill cap (its just that dendi and puppey made it look so easy) . I mean, of course i can see that its pretty bullshit to literally kill a fat gyro with aegis twice with just one hook but it is only fair to give navi that win since they didn't really messed the game, it just one of those loopholes they found in the game due to the fact that dendi plays a monstrous pudge and puppey play an insane Chen. Besided, lulda also tried this strat and didnt even succeed.
besides, its not rly a bug. Its an imbalance game mechanic.
+John Anthony Arcillas
An imbalance inside of the game would be Sniper and spectre during the 6.83 era.
Fountain hooking on the other hand is an error or flaw inside the game, which results in an unexpected result. The intention of the developers was the fact that an affected target would be pulled towards pudge. If their intention ever was to get the target into the fountain, they simply would give him an global hook. So in someway it fills the criteria of a bug.
I mean, at one point in the history of Dota, you could get up to four enemey heroes to your fountain. It was never done in a pro game, but you could do it. And it got removed for the same reason. In was an unexpected failure of the software, which in other words means "bug"
Hell even today, the same ability, who could achieve that, sometimes bugs out and teleports both the caster and the target to a certained point on the map..
it aint a bug. If you want to be exact, game mechanic abuse is the word. I mean, sure the developer didn't intend to make that available in the game, but because of very special circumstances (Dendi being the best pudge in the world and Puppey being one of the best chen players in the world) this game mechanic abused is formed. Besides, i doubt people would start winning games because by copying it. In fact, i could say that this has much lower winning percentage than a sniper in 6.83.
I love dendi's reaction. "it's not fair! it's not fair! disqualification!"
Notail: You can still win games on the most weird ways that hasnt been seen or done
Also Notail: Lets Pick Tide mid and Io Carry
I think its game 3 of lgd vs og of ti 2019
It worked
Notail has a really deep knowledge with his way of words. He could be a philosopher.
He practices everynight before sleep.
like it or not.. fear or not... bug or not...imbalance or not... the navi fountain hook still the most fenomenal brilliant and biggest strategi on dota professional tournament in history... and the important thing is the audience enjoyed that match
this guy and his comment deserve some beer
im not an alcoholic bro, just a cup of tea please
They don't understand the fact that the match was a Captain's draft - meaning that both teams have the chance to ban the heroes or pick the heroes to use for fountain hook. It is indeed one of the best strategy besides the old Earthshaker's fissure crep stacking at the radiant top lane.
I'll give you some english classes ya twit.
Yeah, waste a very important first ban for a bugged hero which is not in the meta and get outdrafted from youre oponents... 3k players... You don´t have to ban chen for doing this by the way, it also works with other heroes like kunka for example.If Navi would have lost that way, the community would have a totally different opinion. I flame Valve for allowing this, not Navi. When you can win so much money, they should take it more seriouse.
notail is like the wise old man in this video lol
with a kid's face and voice. lol I used to hate the guy but now its just lol
I love that man. No homo.
that's why he's bigdaddy
Truth : nubtail
Too bad there is no thing like jesus
We all knows that no matter how many strong players will get in the game Dendi will always be the face of DOTA.
too bad he got caught in the height of the #METOO movement
@@homeboy8389 huh what happened
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 Nothing. He mistook Dendi for Tobi-Wan
Loda: "is that balanced? "
Meanwhile at TI3 finals
Alliance: *Rat Dota*
rat dota's not a bug though
@@Ike92240 not saying it was but it was fucking unbalanced because back-door protection wasn't a thing back then. Imagine you're about to win and you haven't lost a single tower then they just take your towers using np tp and relocate
@@MidTechiesEnjoyer Bakcdoor protection was definitely a thing in 2013.
The thing is not everyone can do fountain hook (you need skill to do it) meanwhile, we do not need skill to rat.
@@jovrieljaballa1548 you definitely need skill to rat, the timing, the position and observations are also skill
Hao and Xiao just chilling there while Loda got salty. lol
well you can see they are mad after the loss 3:05, but they accepted it because they were still mistakes.
And you know they blaming themselves not the bug
That what i like from them
Agree with u Raymond, that's what make me Respect Chinese dota more
because he knew he will need to beat them in finals.Also he tried same strat month before and failed miserably lol.
Probably the biggest reason they got so far. They're willing to reflection how they could have played better instead of blaming the tactics of the other team.
I didnt know that the most salty person about it is Loda..... He's literally angry about it more than Tongfu XD
i wonder why... he's not even part of that game...
Probably because he didn't want to play against NaVi.
I think it was partly just because the fact that it was the 3rd of 3 games and that Na'Vi was loosing really bad early on, thus when Na'Vi won in a way that wasn't entirely possible to counter, other than just map awareness and positioning, it felt like an unclean win. But the fun stuff like this, it makes some of the best memories for almost everyone. :D
You need to learn what cheating means.
that's ridiculous way to win but, that's part of that current patch soo.... can't complain about it tho...
In 2020, still one of the most legendary come back stories in dota.
Even 2021
Even 2022
Even 2023
Still gives me chills. The precision and timing was unreal
I still don't understand why Loda is the only one so worked up about the fountain hook.
Even Banana, whose team lose to that strat, says it's mostly their fault for 'not playing good enough', and ppd even knows how hard it is to pull it off, especially in a such important match.
different players different views
Maybe he was afraid to play against navi..
Devin1pm
That's one possibility...
Fountain hook is unreliable, though, and it can be countered by supreme vision and map control, something which is Alliance is good at.
because he FELT bad for the CHINESE who lost because of such a bug.
Truth
But the Chinese aren't complaining. They know how to counter it, but it's a bit too late.
I missed the old Navi so much...
Dondo pls
ITS not bug noob its skill , the hook fly and chen tp pudge home and hook is still there and get a hero ,where the hook will go to pudge because its not Bug . IF they say that a bug that mean normal hook to lang is bug and . The point is that pudge hook should go back to pudge or what dude those noob . They know Comback is real . Kk who say bug tell Comback is bug ?
+Lol Lol try do the combo it now.. if you cant mean they fix it and wht they fix it.. cause it bug.. you know what is bug??
Your English Gaved me Ebola
RULE#322 Before engaging in a comment fight make sure your english is good
Loda: IS THIS BALANCED?!
Gaben nd Icefrog : As all things should be my child
It's been 7 years since the fountain hook and it's still amazing to watch ❤️
now its 10
its unfair or bla bla u can talk anything, BUT its HISTORICAL moment of dota2 like notail said "u can win the game even in a weird ways" I agree with him. THIS IS DOTA DUDE!
And his team won ti8 XD
Yea...bro hi five...
Five
@@ihvdrm oh boy, not just TI8
and his team already for 3 win TI now !!! wait and wait.. topson and sumail . maybe give suprise
I understand how loda felt, I woulda felt the same way If I was watching that as a pro player, but as a fan it was insane to watch! Really love the Chinese community to about the situation, very humble!
if loda or s4, and akke with chen would do it, they must do it
they try before TI and fail, thats why he's salty
He won TI3, I'm pretty sure thats not why he is salty, n00b.
the rage was before they won
holyshit, shoutout to the chinese community, so much respect for you guys
No matter if the fountain hook was bug-abusing or not...it made Dendi the immortal player he deserves to be and it was one of the iconic moves that went down in Dota history...well deserved!
Every TI Winner should be immortalized. They won it as a team.
A legacy that will remain a legend forever.Thank u Dendi Thank you NAVI
I actually think that Loda is on-point here and justified in making a scene (although he didn't do it in the most dignified way). Keep in mind that Alliance play Na'Vi after this.
The fountain-hook is a carry-over mechanic from DotA 1 days where the hook would mimic the movement of the pudge and the end-point trigger in the original skill was to pull the target to Pudge's location right at the moment of impact or max hook extension. It is not technically a "strat" in itself, although it *does* require skill, planning, timing and nerves of steel to pull it off.
The reason it was removed was because it was deemed unfair to a team that had played well, been ahead the whole game and had the advantage (a big chunk of it) removed with little-to-no cost for the other team. Two fast-cooldown skills with no risk to the heroes using them do not merit the takedown of an Aegis carrying, semi full-slotted hard carry. When a fountain hook hits you, there's almost nothing you or your teammates can do to save you. It outpaces buyback cooldown, goes through BKB, has crazy range and completely destroys 1-core strats.
The reason Na'Vi was allowed that win was because it was such a crazy move to do that nobody had thought of utilising it prior. The sheer creativity was mind-blowing. The crowd *loved* it, this had never been done before. Much less on a professional level. Valve had no precedent (although them removing it was the right move). And let's face it, this definitely makes the top ten list of greatest things to have ever happened in DotA. This was fucking cool.
Hats off to the attitude the Chinese players have here. They look first to themselves for areas where they can improve and take the loss in their stride, never complaining or bitching about this OP (yet fucking cool) mechanic. They just look for ways to overcome it and blame themselves for not being better. Imo, this was what made Chinese teams so great.
Edit: I could be very wrong about the carry-over mechanic. In DotA 2, it seems more like the hook drags the target back to the position of Pudge while the hook is still extending.
The fountain hook was never in Dota 1
I meant hook mechanics, but yeah I think you're right. I don't remember any fountain-hooking in DotA 1
thats pretty dignified idk why everyone are soft
we are talking about millions of dollars here. Loda was pretty nice to stand up for the chinese
Despite everything else, can we talk about how awesome it is to see Puppeh and Dendi sitting there together?
IKR these crazy rabid guys, just arguing about fountain hooking is a bug exploit and shit.
and im just sit here thinking. isn't that puppey sitting next to dendi?
It's great to see them still being mates after Puppey left Navi so long ago.
+Nobblk Praetorian well from what i see, the people from pro dota 2 community is all but enemy. they are all friends that just separated by teams.
OMG IKR. but I heard Puppey's going back to Navi.
Rhen Aye if he does Na'Vi instantly win all 4 majors
I come back to this video from time to time when I lose all hope in my life.
It lifts me up.
Always.
Every time i watch this i think about Dendi's skills and it gives me chills :)
4:19 *CHUAN GOT HOTDOGS IN HANDS*
ayy lemo
fucking got baited to this damn it
fresh meat. baby.
it's his finger
"hmmm fresh meat"
Fountain Hooking isn't 'Wrong'
Is Animation Cancelling Wrong?
Is Creep Blocking Wrong?
These tactics are all things that was discovered by the Community
Yes, they were unintentional but we made them part of the Game
aswell as creep stacking.
Good point, that originated as a bug but everyone accepted it.
Loda is just salty cuz he want to play with chinese, but still they beat navi anyway.
to be fair those are all explainable with lore or basic understanding that u can 'cancel' a movement
Lore has nothing to do with it. It's a mechanic in the game.
I just come back here to see Dendi and Puppey sitting right next to each other again
Legends say Loda still yelling "is that balanced??? 😂
Jamirbendang Sungba Legends say he‘s still butthurt 😂
he was too scared to face navi.
He won in the end, but at that time he was scared as fuck
@@akhsdenlew1861 you know that navi get fucked in upper bracket 2-0 after this right?
the best part Notail's word of wisdom for me
He was wrong when he said that Hao could just TP out though. He couldn't TP out, not with aegis not after.
Ya that's true but was just giving example
you can. i've tested it. you can still cast spells and channel a tp while get fountain hooked.
Big Smoke He was dead there no matter what.
Aleks Jeff
probably. like notail said probably, probably, probably.
"Dota is still the same. You can still win games in the most weird ways that never been seen or done" Big words from your *Ti8 Champ*
And Ti9 lol
Chillz man. I still get goosebumps EVERY.FUCKIN.TIME. That is still and always will be LEGENDARY
5:42 "games can be won in most weird ways" Ana - io, topson diffusal gyro
RESPECT @4:49
damn...true that and ppd line was so wise
loda never stops whining but he is super chill
+EMPEROR HAN Chinese peeps are literally one of the best players in Dota if you ask me. I played in a Chinese server once, and I lost 247 mmr in 3 days
wait what ???? i'm indonesian man, what are u talkin about
good sportsmanship!
"Biggest joke I have ever seen"
- Loda
(Rat Loda)
Ahh, yes... The time of Pudge wannabes and the Dragon Claw hook's stock price rose through the sky. I'm in tears. Dota was the biggest part of my youth.
Still love DOTA even i have family now.. still love watching best plays and replays of TI's.. More power to DOTA Community.. ❤️✌️👍
fountain hook requires high skill hats off to dendi
cole anderson especially in tournaments
lol not at all. I was fountain hooking back with 300 hours.
High skill move? Are you fucking kidding me?
It was not easy to pull off, yes, but the effort is not equal to the result. Is it balanced for 2 underfarmed heroes to kill 1 carry with full item that easily?
@@okkydirgantaraohara126 if it was THAT easily, everyone would've been doing it.
Loda even tried that, and failed.
But instead only dendi and puppey had the balls to go for it in the middle of a TI losing match and pull it off, making them win the game.
Hats off for that.
Looks like Loda lost a couple of rares there
inSanity753 common*
christ what a crybaby
loadingscreens for sure
just letting you guys know there was a match where loda tried the fountain hook just before this happened and failed so miserably. I forgot who was matched up against them though.
it was and unknown team
What a big difference in European and Chinese teams, when Loda yells about bugs and abuses of the game and a Chinese player who says that loss is loss
Since when Loda represented entire Europe from Spain to Russia? Did Chinese team also represent all Asian countries?
@@Todsor he said chinese, not asian teams.
@@Todsor So you don't know what's the difference between "European" and "Europe."
@@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Have you ever seen the dirt calling itself" Europe" or "Asia"? Go figure you smartass-wanna-be dumbass. I am not talking about territory but occupiers.
@@Todsor Calm down Teroph is probably just some ignorant American or something similar since he speaks about Europe as if it is a country even tho it contains 44 countries with all unique cultures.
2020 still watch this,, the living legend of fountain hook
I undertsand Loda's point of being a mechanic abuse that can really break the game, but on the other hand it takes serious balls to pull that off and that alone deserves respect. First of all you need to draft Pudge on your team in such a big stage which was (and still is) quite unorthodox Hooking someone at a TI stage is quite hard because, lets be honest, we're talking about the best players in the world, they will be prepared and have cat reflexes to dodge the hook. Then the amount of coordination required to pull that move is insane. You needed 2 players to coordinate their spells in a 1 second window without counting the hook travel time and distance. I think thats why the chinese didnt mind about it, they recognize that they should be dodging those hooks in the first place and they know that dota always was an high risk high reward game., and tbh thats why i love this game. Im so glad i got to watch this game live.
4:51 "I tell my nigga, dont worry..."
Glorious
It's like a main character doing "Now or never!" Skill 😂
Amaziiiinggg
okay im playing dota again after 2yrs.. this vdeo always gets me back into the game.. reminds me what dota is all about... the fountain hook is one thing but what the players comment what moves me...damn i love dota...
4:52 "my nigga"
hahahahaha
Hahahahh
ROFLMFAO
Niggah in Chinese language means "that" so yeah :P
5:06 the reason why Chinese people excel in most of sports in the whole damn world
3rd in Olympic medals(22) behind the United States (33) and the U.K. (26)
that is still pretty damn good though.
+Cole Strathman until you realize that there are 1.5 billion people in China, and only 65 million in Europe.
The US has 46 gold medals, UK has 27 and China 26. Also Europe has 500+ million people not 65 million. Also on a per capita basis Bahrain beats all three in gold medals.
Does chinese ever win fifa world cup..?
Fountain hook requires precision and trust both to your teammates perspective as well as focus.That can't be perfectly be just a bug. Those timing became one of renowned scenes in the game
"you can still win games in the most weird ways"
collapse: Horn toss? horn toss.
Loda too salty the fountain hook was actually a part of the dota physics plus it needs timing to be done. They didnt remove fountain hook because it was unfair, it was removed because everyone would focus trying to do it
More of a player interaction thing came in play. Like getting hooked and just dying in a combat is ok since it doesn't seem too bs. It's a player vs player thing. Even after you get hooked, there are options. But fountain hook made it seem like a player vs game thing where the only way to prevent it is either banning it or 'just dodge it' - 0 options. This kind of mechanic in my opinion is not so healthy for the game.
It is still using the regular hooking mechanism, but required incredible timing and skill on Navi's part to pull off. If you can dodge a regular hook, you can dodge these. Besides, with a fountain hook, you have enough time to teleport back to base while being hooked. It's not as unfair as it seemed.
Lol we even did that before it was change? Timing? everyone can do that if they know the cast delay tskkk
I think its pretty unfair. But in navi's case i think it was fair cause they tried to come up with something for them to turn the tides. Creative even though pressured
Lul. "If you know the casting delay..." Back into the good old days, we don't have this casting time bar, so what's your point?
Wow, so much respect for TongFu. I loved their attitude concerning the loss. Kudos to them!
u just can see the adrenalin rush on Dendi by watching his fingers on the keyboard at 1:06
God bless Dendi, God bless Puppey, forever ethched in our hearts and we were lucky enough to be at the time when that happened, to witness it live... what a beautiful memory watching it over night in cybercafe with the guys.
I think the most vicious thing that Puppey had ever done was having 10% cuts.
2019 still love this..
2021
Honestly, I never considered the fountain hook to be a bug. It was just another of those crazy and fun strats that you could use in DotA and it worked so well because Navi could actually pull it off in a tournament. Navi is still today remembered today as the team that could adapt to any situation. At that time they embodied what DotA is all about: everything and anything is possible in this game. And I´m glad that it didn´t change when they removed it. The difference today is that there are many more teams that have become as flexible as Navi was, to the point of surpassing them.
Anyway, the fountain hook was a two edged sword, you could triumph brilliantly if you made it work or lose horribly if you failed the hook, so I don´t know what Loda´s problem is/was...
N0tail fat = 0 TI
N0tail skinny = 2 TI
i mean, who wouldnt be skinny after life fucked n0tail so hard, he won 2 aegis
Now he's fat again
@Jebaited LUL yeah most likely. The stress after Fly, Cr1t and S4 left OG then finding one more player to fill in for mid role. Glad they found Topson and Ana came back then Ceb took the offlane role.
the sportsmanship showed at 4:47 is so commendable!
Tell that to the Englishmen who still complain about the hand of god. lol
Valve Must Thanks Navi Because That's The reason why Dota Become popular
LoL Fangays detected.
I've been playing Dota for about 6 years now since Dota from WC3, till date only played 2 League games in my life. You actually don't even make sense. You're telling me a bug/abuse brings more people to the platform than TI2 wombo combos, TI1 enigma offlane, TI3 rats, TI4 deathball. You're funny, I like you.
Mark Chew In TI 3 Event Iam not Playing dota in that time then I hear a news about the fountain hook to my friends I don't know where but THE FOUNTAIN HOOK Is one of the reason why dota is popular and btw u talk like a pro huh
Arjim Banuelos It is really hard to explain what I'm trying to get across here. In my opinion Dota2 is popular because the game mechanics, it's more competitive, endless combinations, more reactionary gaming compared, and less grinding required (compared to league which you need to unlock heroes, and although my grinding phase is over). Fountain hook in my opinion is just a bug, a normal bug you can find in every new patch. A bug WILL not be my choice whether the game attracts me or not, and I don't think that applies to any game.
If CSGO had a bug where you could see through walls, do you think people are attracted? Whereas if CSGO had a mechanic where certain materials can be wallbang, do you think they are attracted better?
Mark Chew +Arjim Banuelos What you gonna say to dat?
Doing it in semi final TI while heavily under pressure just so amazing
True sportsmanship tongfu respect but dendi came out with that insane combo love all the teams in dota community
This is one of the most immortal moments, in my opinion, in DotA 2 History. Great clip!
I miss the Puppey-Dendi tandem. The most notorious ever.
i don t know the number of times i have watched this vid ......and guess what i still enjoy it to the max
Navi always pull out the most iconic moments in Dota2 like this.
Respect to the best comeback in Dota 2! Dendi has legendary status for life!
Legendary status in video gaming? No sir thats not considered as legendary stuff.
George de Vries It definetly is a legendary play. The skill it took to do that and how close they were to actually losing is phenomonal.
the best comeback is OG
@@georgedevries3992 so you are saying that somehow you are more successful thn dendi ? So what did you achieve other thn being salty over here ?
@@DOZY69 I didn't say that I am successful. Just saying that such "legendary" stuff happening in video games, aren't legendary. Now try to pull such things off irl. Now THAT is legendary.
P.S. Keep your petty attempts to insult to yourself, unless you are in the right.
Самое приятное в этом мувике, это то, что Денди и Пуппей наконец вместе!!!
It was definitely the right call to remove the Fountain hook interaction, but I'm so glad this happened at least for a while. The memories are precious.
This will go down forever as legendary play.
The Chinese were calm and collected. Meanwhile, Loda invented Babyrage.
"you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done"
just waiting for the techies moving mine ancient kill in the pro scene...
"si perdemos significa que no fuimos tan buenos como los otros"
Me quedo con esa humildad. Siempre vuelvo a ver esta jugada legendaria.
I still get goosebumps everytime i watch this video
You can discredit the game but in reality like Dota is still the same, you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done. -
shits happen nigga
I just love how dota allowes you to go for unique and versatile combinations. I dont think ive played any moba that is so good gameplay wise.
Just saw it again, this is legend! 💯
one of the greatest LIVE moments in Esport...
I remember staying home from school to watch that game live
I've watched this multiple times over the years, and just now I notice the chairs the players sat on ... we've come a long way folks
One of the most iconic play of T.i
Fountain Hook 🎣
To those that keep backing up Loda. Please read this and this help to explain why Tongfu players don't even get mad at the hook they got mad at their core instead Loda was the only super salty dude there. There's a reason why Dendi fountain hook was considered Miraculous.
It was not a bug to begin with. That was the feature of pudge hook since Dota1. Pudge hook got a wording to it that states "pudge hook will pull the enemy towards his current location" and at that time you can hook and walk towards the enemy at the same time to shorten the distance so you can dismember much quicker there was even a force staff into a cliff hook combo back then pudge got many possibilities it's just quite impossible to be pulled of because. Firstly, you need a support with you always to help make these plays. Secondly, the precise timing required to do it is near impossible even the fountain hook you need to time it really well to throw the hook right at the moment when the chen teleport gonna send you back to the base if not the game registered your position is still at the place you hooked and not at your current position. Tha's why they totally reworked Pudge hook to only pull the enemy to his initial hook position. It was never a bug to begin with it's just how the hook worked but require god level of precision in timing that's why Tongfu was not salty about the hooks and why they said it was miraculous.