@@kenwayaiden4535He’s not dumb. he know’s he does but he doesn’t care anymore about arthur he cares about money i mean he already left arthur to die in the eagle flies mission he changed arthur and hosea always said it dutch changed bc he did change into a monster killer
He had the choice to side with them and didn’t. If you paid attention in chapter 6 which I’m assuming you didn’t because you’re probably just a kid then you would’ve seen how brainwashed Javier had become. He began hating Arthur for “disobeying” Dutch.
@@William_afton77 watch the scene again, he only has his gun up once but in the next shot he’s aiming at John. And the way Javier acts towards Arthur near the end is a good indicator that he’d lost his mind and began to resent Arthur for “betraying” the gang.
@@Tylerious exactly. i use to actually believe that Javier was still loyal to Arthur but right before the shot even changes you can see Javier start to lower the gun towards Arthur. people really love to believe what they want to believe
Yea it just sucks that if he did survive it would’ve been on low honor. High honor he was ready to give his life for everyone but LH he talked about getting the money and going somewhere dry
Dutch actually left Arthur for dead three times when he was kidnapped by the O'Driscolls. His mentalness declined over the time and only saw Micah as a trusty companion after Arthur did the right thing by freeing John from prison. He didn't see Arthur as loyal as the other after disobeing his ordner of waiting to figure out an idea, when he actually didn't.
@@hrhdxh47364They went to a meeting with the O'Driscolls and Arthur doesn't show up after the meeting, ofc Arthur would be in trouble if not dead already.
Agent Milton did his job brutally and unfairly, Ross was just worse. I don’t understand the disconnect between acknowledging Ross was a bad man but Milton wasn’t, they both did their jobs, but they also both did them in cruel ways
I mean they killed, stole and tortured people . Milton did say gimme Dutch and I'll let you go ( or at least for now cause same thing happened to John) and repeatedly warned them so what you expect him to do? He even said I'm doing what I'm capable in legal terms
@@Mwushs I expect him to not shoot a criminal he has in custody just to make the rest of the gang sad and angry. I expect him to not kidnap two women to draw out a bigger member of the gang and kill him. I expect him to not tell Arthur the entire gang will die savagely in front of a 4 year old.
@@Epicbot095 I mean you gotta keep in mind it's the wild west we are talking about, he is against one of the biggest savage gangs for example, so yeah obviously he won't speak to them like they stole a wagon or smth. They were wanted dead or alive if I'm not mistaken
@@Epicbot095 he gave them a million chances before he killed anyone and this gang is responsible for countless deaths. He was far kinder than they deserved
It's wild at the end of Chapter 3 if you go to Dutch after you get tortured Arthur asks him if he was going to get him and Dutch says, "Of course son, we were on our way." when he didn't even know Arthur was gone.
For anyone wondering about Milton and Ross, I recommend you check the Pinkerton Detective Agency history, these guys were not serving any justice, they were as bad as the people they were tracking. So yes you dont hire a saint to catch a sinner, but if you commit the same crimes (and even worse in their case) than the person you are looking forward to punish, what point is there to it ?
Milton is a lawman who does dirty work for fortune, Ross is lawman who does dirty work for fame. Milton only went after the gang to make a living while Ross went after the game to increase his own reputation.
The first one is not true because before Arthur starts confronting Micah you can see the pinkertons watching the gang and if Arthur didn't know anything they would ambush the gang and this would result in the gang to flee and lose each other in the woos
I think the pinkertons being a beaver hallow when Arthur confronts Micah could’ve just been a way to easily splice the cutscene into gameplay. And the only reason I say this is because I refuse to believe that John wasn’t arrested/killed on sight when he was waking back to beaver hallow before confronting Dutch
But I believe Micah is based in a man that actually lived. Once in Texas, a man who I forgot his name joined a gang and two months they were going to rob a bank in Texas, but that new member was an informant to a detective agency called Pinkertons. Yeah, Pinkertons like rdr2 actually existed.
Also in the bank scene, Milton shot Hosea because of all the things they did on Blackwater, it was to make amends to the fallen during that time and we were reminded of it in RDR1 with the strange man talking about the little girl in the ferry. He was just doing his job to make sure such tragedy will never happen again to take down one of the important members of the gang as their pillar of wisdom. Without Hosea, the gang was lost. Back then state to federal authority had the authority to execute public enemies which the Van Der Linde gang members have achieved.
Another sad secret is if you look to the left at Javier in the first clip in the intro he's pointing his gun in the air as he doesn't know who to trust and who to kill as all of the members start to unravel their real characteristics in chapter six
Dutch left Arthur to die 4 times. When he was taken hostage by the O'Driscolls, on the boat to Guarma, in the mission My Last Boy and at the end of the game.
To be fair as much ad we love arthur it sad to see by the end if he escaped he wouldve been dead weight to carry since the TB had already eaten away most of his lungs so he wouldve suffered more than dying on the hill or next to the cave peacefully or being shot or stabbed
In the end who I hate the most is not Micah, or Ross and Milton. It's Dutch the guy who abandone 20 years loyalty for people like Micah. When I heard Arthur mutter "I gave you everything Dutch" that just seal my hatred for Dutch
When the Dutch were dragged to the island to save people, the place changed a lot from there and it was inevitable that the situation would end like this.
I also found it odd how, when you land on tahiti, you were left along the shore, while everyone else was at a camp. Based on the fact that they were all on the same boat, it's unlikely that they would've all landed on different points of the island. Meaning that chances are, arthur was abandoned and presumably left to die out in the sun on tahiti. Another hard pill to swallow was that Milton could've very well been lying, meaning we don't know for sure if Micah was really a rat.
Didn't the gang leave on a boat except Arthur cuz shortly after Arthur was woken up by Dutch when the boat was going down, he was following Dutch and some boxes landed between them blocking Arthur from following him forcing Arthur to get off the ship much later. Also implies Dutch left him to drown in the ship
The creators openly admitted that he was the rat when this question was asked in an interview when the game first released. Ill put the link below my comment if I can find the video
“We can’t chance what’s done, we can only move on” -Arthur Morgan At least he died while being known as one of the legendary gunslingers even with TB truly a legend
Don’t forget that Arthur lost almost everyone that would’ve sided with him when the gang split. Sean, Lenny, and Hosea would’ve seen his reasons and John was almost lost as well.
I think the hardest part about the Red Dead Redemption series is how at the end of the day, all of the killing, robbing, extorting, the gang tearing itself apart, the revenge; all of it is in vain. It’s all for nothing. None of it mattered. Arthur died to save John, to help him escape, telling him to not look back. But John did look back. And his revenge on Micah got him found. John gave his life to save Jack, Abigail, praying that Jack never turned out like him. And Jack turned out just like him. An outlaw. Everything each member sacrificed was wasted by the next. In the end, it was all damned from the start. Justice really does come around in the end.
Are you seriously comparing people torturing, and committing genocide against certain groups of people to a guy whose trying to put down a savage gang that has killed 100+ people? Your analogy doesn’t hold up
@@thatguyrobert660So he was doing his job? He was payed to do so, and he failed. Doesn’t change the fact that the original comment compared milton to nazi’s😭
Doc Holliday survived with TB for a few years in a dry climate. If Arthur would have moved to New Austin he likely would have at least lived another few months to a year. The reason Arthur died was because he was basically beaten to death, not to mention he was likely suffering from internal bleeding due to the fall off of the cliff
@@I_shidded_and_farded Yes but they weren't going to new Austin, and the fight probably did not shorten the rest of his life nby months, maybe days or hours
@@justaayan2 You also have to factor in that he was completely submerged in large bodies of water for extended periods of time. He likely caught a slight case of pneumonia as a result of being shipwrecked on Guarma. Also factor in that they were living in the wet swamp for a few days when they got back likely with mold, then they moved into a cold, damp cave. Arthur also smoked like a chimney and was constantly fighting too I guess
Shooting up a whole town, killing the dog, terrorizing sadie in the shack, I don’t think he was ever a good guy. Hes a “survivor” and everything he did was for himself
I get sad when I realize that Javier was confused and that he never wanted to betray his friend cuz you can see him shaking while he’s trying to point his gun
The thing is people were asking why they wouldn't leave when they had the money but that's literally what they were doing when Arthur did his famous ride to camp
dutch only left arthur to die once. In the final mission when dutch walks off it is sort of a silent goodbye to arthur and dutch showing himself breaking away from micah
Arthur wouldn’t have escaped with the gang if Milton never told him Micah was the rat. He said to Abigail and Sadie he was going to camp to “have a little chat”, implying the only reason he went back was to confront Micah. Otherwise he would’ve just gone with them to Copperhead landing.
Additional truth Javier was on no one's side because realistically he wouldn't aim at his gang with or against them Dutch or Arthur but Javier went on Dutch's side because he knew Dutch more than Arthur and spent more time with him so the truth Javier's Loyalty got the best of him and that got himself killed and went with dutch no matter how bad the obejective was
I think that Dutch left Arthur to die when he was captured by the O'Driscolls as well. Think about it, arthur said that WHATEVER happens they meet at the crossroad. Supposedly Micah and Dutch went there and never saw Arthur and what did they do? Head back to camp. We can also assume that they did not inform anyone else in the camp since everyone was there and looked surprised. This would not be weird since Dutch was alone with Micah, and Micah manages to convince Dutch to abandon other people as well in the future. Plus, Dutch has a very similar interaction in camp with Arthur. Arthur asks him: "You were coming for me, right? And Dutch says: Of course I was. Dutch's reaction here is very similar to the time he left Arthur in the refinery where we know for sure that he did that intentionally.
In the cutscene where the gang chooses their side, you can see javier aiming his gun upwards showing he is neutral between Arthur and Dutch but Arthur told javier to always stay loyal to Dutch
For the first one, the pinkertons were hiding in the trees with more around the way, i would say that as the gang was moving out, micah would have whisled or something and all the pinkertons would have killed everyone
Don't change the story, lmao. How about this sad truth: *Milton killed a famous outlaw and kidnapped a female outlaw to draw the other outlaws to a location in an attempt to eliminate them because they are a menace to society?
![Red Dead Redemption 2 & 1 - All Gang Members' Deaths (from Davey to Abigail) [PC, 4K]](/img/1.gif)
Milton died thinking John's name was rip van winkle
At least he died thinking someones name was as goofy as that
That’s hilarious
Rip van winkle is a whine brand
Never that about that🤣
@@Tkkassasinoof😂
And, Dutch chose Micah, a dude he met at a bar, over his son, that he adopted and has known for 20 years.
Not 20 22*
Yeah that’s crazy… how dumb is Dutch
@@kenwayaiden4535He’s not dumb. he know’s he does but he doesn’t care anymore about arthur he cares about money i mean he already left arthur to die in the eagle flies mission he changed arthur and hosea always said it dutch changed bc he did change into a monster killer
@@Yorqk511 I know😂 I said he is dumb cuz I hate him so much
When does he say he met Micah at a bar?
Arthur actually broke the goddamn wheel
“I BROKE THE GAWD DAMN WHEEL”
😟
"AAIGHT, LETS FIX IT"
My favorite part of the whole game 🥵🥵🥵🤤🤤🤤
And arthur was actually always by dutch's side and thinking about poker plans
Poor Javier never wanted war with Arthur or John so he really raised his revolver 😢
And then he was killed by John some years later :(
@@mali0181there was a choice
@@kenwayaiden4535Either dead or alive. He would die
He had the choice to side with them and didn’t. If you paid attention in chapter 6 which I’m assuming you didn’t because you’re probably just a kid then you would’ve seen how brainwashed Javier had become. He began hating Arthur for “disobeying” Dutch.
Javier and bill were loyal , too loyal and blindly loyal@@Tylerious
The saddest thing was that the journal was never finished
If you play the game as John afterwards than you get put drawing and places you find into the journal as a way of completing it for arthur
John finish it
John writes in there. And if you do all side missions and go to Arthur's grave when finished the journal says at the end We'll it's been a journey.
Dutch? Last time I saw you was in 1899 I survived TB and Micah! But dutch you gotta trust me he's a RAT 🐀
Agent Milton started with mercy and slowly grew to want everyone dead whereas Ross wanted everyone dead from the start
Milton is not innocent stop this bs the guy killed a captured Hosea on broad daylight just to show a example to Dutch
True he just wanted Dutch
Still can't forgive him for killing Hosea lol I know Hosea was criminal but still he was my favorite
@@EarlofChucklechester me too, but man he have the gang a lot of chances. He was only doing his work.
I think Ross saw how Agent Milton tried to be the nice guy, and saw that didn't work...
if Arthur hadn't been infected, he would never have changed
I hate that this was said, but your right
If Arthur didnt have infected by tb, he would be like Javier or Bill
@@RamaboyButylka777 Yes!
Idk, he was questioning dutch before that.
he was losing faith in dutch before he knew he had tb
The fact Arthur was so loyal that he returned to camp even after finding out that Micah spoke to agent Milton
The only reason he went back to camp was to confront Micah
he had no reason to go back, other than to expose Micah and Dutch. Sadly he was dead soon whether he went back or not, and he knew that
He would confront dutch same way even if Milton didnt talked about micah. Because dutch left Jack, abgail and John.
Dutch literally trusted a rat rather than he's son.
His**************
Javier has his gun pointed up because he doesn’t want to hurt anybody
You’re wrong
@@Tyleriouswdym he is right
@@William_afton77 watch the scene again, he only has his gun up once but in the next shot he’s aiming at John. And the way Javier acts towards Arthur near the end is a good indicator that he’d lost his mind and began to resent Arthur for “betraying” the gang.
@@zacharyswan5852 probably cause everyone has been saying this for years
@@Tylerious exactly. i use to actually believe that Javier was still loyal to Arthur but right before the shot even changes you can see Javier start to lower the gun towards Arthur. people really love to believe what they want to believe
Arthur was on his final moments with TB already, he would have at most survived a few more days
Yea it just sucks that if he did survive it would’ve been on low honor. High honor he was ready to give his life for everyone but LH he talked about getting the money and going somewhere dry
Arthur will never know if John got away alive
He knows from above.. or below
@@amateurR6he's definetly below💀
@@antoniovidoeski5628 😂
@@antoniovidoeski5628he found his peace and redemption definitely above
Speaking of dead Arthur Morgan what would happen if he came back from the dead while coming back to beat the hell out of Micah and dutch
Meanwhile John who was abandoned 3 times by Dutch: 💀
Dutch actually left Arthur for dead three times when he was kidnapped by the O'Driscolls. His mentalness declined over the time and only saw Micah as a trusty companion after Arthur did the right thing by freeing John from prison. He didn't see Arthur as loyal as the other after disobeing his ordner of waiting to figure out an idea, when he actually didn't.
No
"I have a God damn play arthur" "noise arthur noise"
Freeing John created noise....
Made no sense dutch was just losing it
@@rafawodarczyk5733tf
Dutch didnt know that arthur was kidnapped, he cleary expressed that he was wondering where arthur was
@@hrhdxh47364They went to a meeting with the O'Driscolls and Arthur doesn't show up after the meeting, ofc Arthur would be in trouble if not dead already.
Agent Milton did his job brutally and unfairly, Ross was just worse. I don’t understand the disconnect between acknowledging Ross was a bad man but Milton wasn’t, they both did their jobs, but they also both did them in cruel ways
ross is worse
I mean they killed, stole and tortured people . Milton did say gimme Dutch and I'll let you go ( or at least for now cause same thing happened to John) and repeatedly warned them so what you expect him to do? He even said I'm doing what I'm capable in legal terms
@@Mwushs I expect him to not shoot a criminal he has in custody just to make the rest of the gang sad and angry. I expect him to not kidnap two women to draw out a bigger member of the gang and kill him. I expect him to not tell Arthur the entire gang will die savagely in front of a 4 year old.
@@Epicbot095 I mean you gotta keep in mind it's the wild west we are talking about, he is against one of the biggest savage gangs for example, so yeah obviously he won't speak to them like they stole a wagon or smth. They were wanted dead or alive if I'm not mistaken
@@Epicbot095 he gave them a million chances before he killed anyone and this gang is responsible for countless deaths. He was far kinder than they deserved
It's wild at the end of Chapter 3 if you go to Dutch after you get tortured Arthur asks him if he was going to get him and Dutch says, "Of course son, we were on our way." when he didn't even know Arthur was gone.
"The people u know can hurt u the most "~ Simon Riley ( AKA GHOST)
Milton was sadistic and enjoyed exploiting his Job.
ross was worse
@Redredits that doesn't mean milton was "just doing his job"
Javier wasn’t pointing his gun at Arthur during the stand off cause he knew better
If you look closely, he slowly aims down towards them just before the Pinkertons arrive
“Reality is often disappointing.”
For anyone wondering about Milton and Ross, I recommend you check the Pinkerton Detective Agency history, these guys were not serving any justice, they were as bad as the people they were tracking.
So yes you dont hire a saint to catch a sinner, but if you commit the same crimes (and even worse in their case) than the person you are looking forward to punish, what point is there to it ?
Milton is a lawman who does dirty work for fortune, Ross is lawman who does dirty work for fame. Milton only went after the gang to make a living while Ross went after the game to increase his own reputation.
The first one is not true because before Arthur starts confronting Micah you can see the pinkertons watching the gang and if Arthur didn't know anything they would ambush the gang and this would result in the gang to flee and lose each other in the woos
and the others are true too?
@@Redredits yees
I think the pinkertons being a beaver hallow when Arthur confronts Micah could’ve just been a way to easily splice the cutscene into gameplay. And the only reason I say this is because I refuse to believe that John wasn’t arrested/killed on sight when he was waking back to beaver hallow before confronting Dutch
Dutch left Arthur on the hill because he couldn’t process trusting Micah or if Arthur was right.
Everyone who dies along the way would’ve been on Arthur’s side when the gang broke up
Fun fact that you might already know:
When Dutch walked away from dying arthur, he cried when he went off scene.
Is this real? Can you give any source?
@@alejandromartin8050yes its real, if u need source look it up, the actor said it himself
@@alejandromartin8050 I need to reword that.
The ACTOR of Dutch cried when he walked off scene.
@@eed259 yeah i figured that was the case ty
@@alejandromartin8050 np.
I have a theory that micah actually wasnt the rat, milton just said it to try and divide them more and weaken them because he found them.
But I believe Micah is based in a man that actually lived. Once in Texas, a man who I forgot his name joined a gang and two months they were going to rob a bank in Texas, but that new member was an informant to a detective agency called Pinkertons. Yeah, Pinkertons like rdr2 actually existed.
And blackwater is based on Texas
And if you search for Pinkertons you'll find that there was group of infiltrates called Molly Macguires and they were mainly Irish-Americans
The only that’s weird about is he had no idea that Arthur and Abigail would escape so why would he tell them that if they weren’t going anywhere
@@rodrigoalves95yea most people know that dude
In the first one he would still die of tuberculosis and the ending would pretty much be the same after John returned to confront dutch
Milton wasn't "just" doing his job he displayed his cruelty when talking about mac
Mac was an outlaw Milton is allowed to talk like that about him
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uhe isn’t allowed to torture an already dying man to death 😅
Please do more sad truths, or myth busting. This video was really good!
Agent Milton wasn't "just doing his job" he was a dog for hire, and a rabid one at that.
Milton is a good guy he gave the gang mercy 2 times
Milton worked for the Pinkertons “doing his job” was a vicious thing. There were no tears shed for Jim Milton
You could see javier struggling to point his gun at them as he knew they were still his family
Yes i see that
The last Arthur's words: TENNIS BOAT🛶🥎
Even though Dutch left Arthur to die twice he still stuck with him till the finale this shows how loyal he actually was
Also in the bank scene, Milton shot Hosea because of all the things they did on Blackwater, it was to make amends to the fallen during that time and we were reminded of it in RDR1 with the strange man talking about the little girl in the ferry. He was just doing his job to make sure such tragedy will never happen again to take down one of the important members of the gang as their pillar of wisdom. Without Hosea, the gang was lost.
Back then state to federal authority had the authority to execute public enemies which the Van Der Linde gang members have achieved.
Sad part is even if Arthur did make it out alive he still would’ve died from tuberculosis
At least he got a peacefull death on the sunrise😢
on your ending @@II-zf3vo
Fax
Arthur's doctor said that he still has a chance to recover. Arthur died as a hero, regardless of what the player chose.
Another sad secret is if you look to the left at Javier in the first clip in the intro he's pointing his gun in the air as he doesn't know who to trust and who to kill as all of the members start to unravel their real characteristics in chapter six
Dutch left Arthur to die 4 times. When he was taken hostage by the O'Driscolls, on the boat to Guarma, in the mission My Last Boy and at the end of the game.
Milton was a good man he just stopped vanderlinds from killing more lawmans
To be fair as much ad we love arthur it sad to see by the end if he escaped he wouldve been dead weight to carry since the TB had already eaten away most of his lungs so he wouldve suffered more than dying on the hill or next to the cave peacefully or being shot or stabbed
Another is Javier aimed the gun for the sky and John arrested him to get his family back;(
Arthur never got to know if john made it
You know what they should do when they make a remake and that zombie pack put arthure morgan in it
Milton may have been doing his job,but he didn't have to be so cruel about it.
But Ross was so.much.worse.
In the end who I hate the most is not Micah, or Ross and Milton. It's Dutch the guy who abandone 20 years loyalty for people like Micah. When I heard Arthur mutter "I gave you everything Dutch" that just seal my hatred for Dutch
When the Dutch were dragged to the island to save people, the place changed a lot from there and it was inevitable that the situation would end like this.
I also found it odd how, when you land on tahiti, you were left along the shore, while everyone else was at a camp. Based on the fact that they were all on the same boat, it's unlikely that they would've all landed on different points of the island. Meaning that chances are, arthur was abandoned and presumably left to die out in the sun on tahiti. Another hard pill to swallow was that Milton could've very well been lying, meaning we don't know for sure if Micah was really a rat.
Didn't the gang leave on a boat except Arthur cuz shortly after Arthur was woken up by Dutch when the boat was going down, he was following Dutch and some boxes landed between them blocking Arthur from following him forcing Arthur to get off the ship much later. Also implies Dutch left him to drown in the ship
@@ZoveXEdits And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you shouldn't skip cutscenes
I’m not even done with the story, bro WTF💀
I feel your frustration but i recommend you never look up the game your playing on your first time playing the story mode in a game.
Sounds like a you problem.
Same
Milton doing his job: Rip Van Winkle 😨
Dutch didn’t leave Arthur to die the second time, he killed him, which is even worse
What messed me up was realizing Milton was the good guy in this story.
I mean, nobody was really "Good" just criminals on opposite ends of the scale.
Another one: there is a slight chance Micah wasnt the rat and Milton lied.
No chance*
@@Vengeance1996you just salty man
But Milton never thought Arthur Abigail and Sadie would still be alive, so I think he told the truth
The creators openly admitted that he was the rat when this question was asked in an interview when the game first released. Ill put the link below my comment if I can find the video
😭 did you do the last mission?? Arthur literally was fighting micah and said he’s a rat and micah admitted he was.
“We can’t chance what’s done, we can only move on”
-Arthur Morgan
At least he died while being known as one of the legendary gunslingers even with TB truly a legend
Not tryna be rude but technically 3 times when they where on the boat thinking they where going to go to cubs but instead ended up at Guarma
true
Mommy sadie
@@LandonMartien😐
also don't forget when Arthur was kidnapped by the O'Driscolls, Dutch didn't even make a move to rescue Arthur.
@@LandonMartiencringe
In reality Milton was the good guy
It’s sad because it’s true and he gave them all chances to leave
Arthur was betrayed not only once but twice by his father and someone who is like his father
Bill didn’t hated Micah, but he joined dutch because he was the only person that respected him. Hosea died thinking everyone else was gonna die
Milton was not doing his job he illegally executed Hosea in the middle of the street
My theory is Micah wasn’t the rat and maybe it could be Abigail all this time
Micah had already snitched on his father and brother prior to joining the gang. Micah was the rat
Abigail? No way there is no clue
That is not a good theory my brother
Milton already told Arthur that Micah was the rat. Wasn't Abigail.
Don’t forget that Arthur lost almost everyone that would’ve sided with him when the gang split. Sean, Lenny, and Hosea would’ve seen his reasons and John was almost lost as well.
Never imagined Dutch would ever point a gun at Arthur
Milton was technically the good guy.
In his yes, but the agency he worked with were not good at all
@@mrepical7235 fair point
@@mrepical7235how ? he's a hired agent hunting criminals whats corrupted about this
When you think about it, Milton was the good guy,
I think the hardest part about the Red Dead Redemption series is how at the end of the day, all of the killing, robbing, extorting, the gang tearing itself apart, the revenge; all of it is in vain. It’s all for nothing. None of it mattered.
Arthur died to save John, to help him escape, telling him to not look back.
But John did look back. And his revenge on Micah got him found.
John gave his life to save Jack, Abigail, praying that Jack never turned out like him. And Jack turned out just like him. An outlaw.
Everything each member sacrificed was wasted by the next. In the end, it was all damned from the start. Justice really does come around in the end.
“Agent Milton was just doing his job”
That’s literally the Nuremberg defense lmao. It doesn’t hold up.
Are you seriously comparing people torturing, and committing genocide against certain groups of people to a guy whose trying to put down a savage gang that has killed 100+ people? Your analogy doesn’t hold up
@@Wishinyoutheworstmilton wasn’t really just doing his job he was only after the gang because cornwall was paying him to
@@thatguyrobert660So he was doing his job? He was payed to do so, and he failed. Doesn’t change the fact that the original comment compared milton to nazi’s😭
Noicah would've lead them to the pinkerttons and got them arrested and hung
Maybe
@@Redredits no definitely he admits to being the rat he had a few bounty poster scraps of the gang
The first time Dutch abandoned Arthur during the fight with the natives wast shocking.
Had a stroke reading the first one
Not really since he still had tb he wouldve died a few hours later
Doc Holliday survived with TB for a few years in a dry climate. If Arthur would have moved to New Austin he likely would have at least lived another few months to a year. The reason Arthur died was because he was basically beaten to death, not to mention he was likely suffering from internal bleeding due to the fall off of the cliff
@@I_shidded_and_farded Yes but they weren't going to new Austin, and the fight probably did not shorten the rest of his life nby months, maybe days or hours
@@justaayan2 You also have to factor in that he was completely submerged in large bodies of water for extended periods of time. He likely caught a slight case of pneumonia as a result of being shipwrecked on Guarma. Also factor in that they were living in the wet swamp for a few days when they got back likely with mold, then they moved into a cold, damp cave. Arthur also smoked like a chimney and was constantly fighting too I guess
Saddest part is Micah was trying to be the good guy by helping the good guys
he just wanted the money back in blackwater
Shooting up a whole town, killing the dog, terrorizing sadie in the shack, I don’t think he was ever a good guy. Hes a “survivor” and everything he did was for himself
@@Bumbl3 I like ppl like you. Lacking in English skills. I said “trying to be, never was.”
@@foxentheroboticfox2236he wasn't trying to be either. He only did it for his own gains.
Well i think he only was trying to be rich
saddest truth: John cant build a barn
Another sad truth is that Micah was the only one that knew about Arthur’s sickness bc black lung is another name for TB😢
Arthur was a true legend next to John Martson micheal Franklin and Trevor rest in peace two legends
I get sad when I realize that Javier was confused and that he never wanted to betray his friend cuz you can see him shaking while he’s trying to point his gun
Maturing is realising that Milton was a good guy and the gang were the villains.
Milton was as much of a criminal as anyone in the gang. He executed an old, unarmed man who was already in custody.
The thing is people were asking why they wouldn't leave when they had the money but that's literally what they were doing when Arthur did his famous ride to camp
Milton was doing his job in a dirty way
dutch only left arthur to die once. In the final mission when dutch walks off it is sort of a silent goodbye to arthur and dutch showing himself breaking away from micah
Arthur wouldnt have escaped alive as we know from the good honour ending where he dies of tb anyways, he knew his time had come
Arthur wouldn’t have escaped with the gang if Milton never told him Micah was the rat. He said to Abigail and Sadie he was going to camp to “have a little chat”, implying the only reason he went back was to confront Micah. Otherwise he would’ve just gone with them to Copperhead landing.
Javier never raised his gun on Arthur and John but John took Javier to jail to die
He aims at Arthur just before the pinkertons start shooting. Either way though he still left John and his family to die
Javier also fires at John and Arthur later that mission and curses johns family in rdr1
Milton’s job was not kidnapping an innocent woman
The saddest thing was Uncle having Lumbago😢
Milton was doing more than his job, so much so that he kidnapped abigale!
Milton really was just doing his job now I kinda feel bad but not really
1. Arguable
2. He chose the job himself
3. True
Additional truth Javier was on no one's side because realistically he wouldn't aim at his gang with or against them Dutch or Arthur but Javier went on Dutch's side because he knew Dutch more than Arthur and spent more time with him so the truth
Javier's Loyalty got the best of him and that got himself killed and went with dutch no matter how bad the obejective was
I think that Dutch left Arthur to die when he was captured by the O'Driscolls as well. Think about it, arthur said that WHATEVER happens they meet at the crossroad. Supposedly Micah and Dutch went there and never saw Arthur and what did they do? Head back to camp. We can also assume that they did not inform anyone else in the camp since everyone was there and looked surprised. This would not be weird since Dutch was alone with Micah, and Micah manages to convince Dutch to abandon other people as well in the future. Plus, Dutch has a very similar interaction in camp with Arthur. Arthur asks him: "You were coming for me, right? And Dutch says: Of course I was. Dutch's reaction here is very similar to the time he left Arthur in the refinery where we know for sure that he did that intentionally.
Dutch had no reason to leave Arthur
In the cutscene where the gang chooses their side, you can see javier aiming his gun upwards showing he is neutral between Arthur and Dutch but Arthur told javier to always stay loyal to Dutch
He aims at Arthur just before the shooting starts but even if he didn’t it wouldn’t change that he’s on Dutch’s side
You sir are a fish-Arthur Morgan 1899
For the first one, the pinkertons were hiding in the trees with more around the way, i would say that as the gang was moving out, micah would have whisled or something and all the pinkertons would have killed everyone
hosea, lenny, sean, etc will never know if the gang got to tahiti
Milton wasn’t just doing his job. He killed a defenseless old man and kidnapped a mother who was with her kid.
Don't change the story, lmao. How about this sad truth: *Milton killed a famous outlaw and kidnapped a female outlaw to draw the other outlaws to a location in an attempt to eliminate them because they are a menace to society?
The sad thing is it would have caused Jack less pain to just see those two die than how much he suffered from them
Thrice, on the boat before Guarma, Dutch, Micah, Bill and Javier didn't wait Arthur. None of them.
Arthur had realized the pain and suffering he caused and tried to good I'm the end just for it to end badly but was buried the way he wanted to
Micah is actually a good character
Dutch was never loyal or caring towards Arthur it seems😔
Arthur wasted his life for him😔😔