Fimir still exist in Age of Sigmar lore despite the lack of model. In the Everspring Swathe, one of the region in the Ghyran realmsphere, there is an island simply named the Peel. Said island is rumoured to be inhabited by malevolent mist-dweling creatures. Though not proprely named, the island is bordered by the "Fimir Bay", so we can easily guess what kind of creatures they are. It wouldn't be the first time AoS writers make reference to "lost factions". The Chaos Dwarfs, for instance, make a few appearences : Zharr Vyxa in Shyish and the Forge Anathema in the Great Parch of Aqshy. Great video by the way !
Chaos Dwarfs were directly referenced mere weeks ago in one of the promotional videos for the 3rd edition starter when discussing the Hobgrots and their hand grenades.
GW has generally been pretty alright with various works of theirs referencing pretty much anything they haven't explicitly retconned out of the lore. It's a good way to do it, gives them a way to pick those things back up if they get new ideas about them at some point. Both the 40k and AoS settings are so large that you can painlessly fade things in or out.
I like how GW were wanting to create a unique fantasy race and then just completely rob some cool artwork off a book of Irish mythology lol, they were cool looking figures though.
@@Commodore22345 You're missing what I'm saying. Popular doesn't mean objectively good, nor does just copying it make the new thing good. I would love to see a game that uses the Scottish origin of halfling (an early term for teenagers) instead of everyone just using hobbits. You can have other things. Not everything needs to just be a copy of Tolkien. That's what fimirs were. They were a relatively new contribution by GW on top of the Tolkienian tropes, such that it made the Old World a more unique and interesting place rather than just another D&D setting. Just stealing from Tolkien just makes things another boring Euro fantasy setting.
Great content as always! Interestingly enough, the Fimir make an appearance in the Total War: Warhammer games as part of the Norscan faction. Both the Fimir Balefiend and Fimir Warriors are available as playable units. Nothing is mentioned of their previous history though!
@@Lynch2507 outdated?? Nahhhh they are TRADITIONAL! Lol. It's tradition to release like 15 races into a game, and update 13 of them constantly, some of them having full faction overhauls, double the hero units and sometimes triple the roster, meanwhile chaos gets a few gameplay updates for the mechanics (no legendary lords though, never!) but norsca?.......we don't talk about norsca..... Hey beastmen got a single new hero and large unit once so....that's cool
There is also a voice line of the Changeling in the Shadows of Change expansion that speaks about turning into a Fimir to lead an Albion invasion, pretty cool :)
I remember Fimorians from Slaine comics in 2000AD in the 80's I like the Fimir, would be a great replacement for orcs, goblins or other common fantasy monsters in an RPG
There's a bit more on Fimir from the Hogshead 2nd ed WFRP supplement 'Dying of the light' which has them in the marshland around Marienburg and introduces daemonomaniacs. A lot of fans also take material from the unofficial Warpstone magazine, issue 25 of which was dedicated to one take on their backstory. :)
I have was lucky to snag one of the lovely Forge World Fimirach Noble models a few months back, painted up complete with a swamp base. If they released new ones I'd play them in a heartbeat!
Quite a bit of Irish language and mythology influence that was prominent in Fantasy and 40k got forgotten about or ignored as time went on, for example the Eldar used to use Irish or peudo-Irish words a lot.
Yeah the Craftworlds are named after Celtic pre-Christian religious festivals like Biel-Tann = Beltane, Saim-Hann = Samhain, Lugganath = Lughnasad etc. To say nothing of the Howling Banshees aspect warriors. I think the WH40K writers intended the Eldar to be a metaphor for real life Celtic peoples, in terms of the sociopolitical commentary....
Hia just a note on the Marags, there was an update for the Frimer for WHFRP, not writen but fully endorced and cannonised by GW that made a change to the witchqueens of the frimer. They CAN breed, but in doing so they lose most of there magic and ALL of there standing in there comunity. after all any slave can be a breader. this also means that should a female be born when not needed she may find herself in the pens rather than just executed. this also make s the frimmer Witch queens even more evil as the misery they inflict in there nabours is as a result of the Marrags choise of power over famerly..
While I can understand that the designers/writers may now wish to distance themselves from a design desicion they wouldn't make today. This IS Warhammer, and the fact that there are a race of creatures who can only propgate by abducting females (a VERY VERY VERY common practice by tribes of our own world, even to this day.) Isn't that unsurprising. It's not like they described anything, they simply eluded to a dark and horrifying truth. I mean, lets face it, we all know that the Dark Elves and Dark Eldar practice the EXACT same behavior. Yet it's never explicity mentioned in any writings pertaining to them, but we all know it happens. And I'll say it again, This Is Warhammer. Nobody should be surprised that a grimdark setting is full of horrorfying fates.
Man, I remember all of this from the time... loved the design. Just FYI, 'cyclopean' doesn't mean what you think it means... it means 'giant', not 'one-eyed'... so Lovecraft described the ancient halls in At The Mountains Of Madness as 'cyclopean'.
I first encountered the Fimir in Hero Quest and occasionally saw them in old "White Dwarf" back issues but had no idea about the larger role they played in the Warhammer universe, so this is very enlightening. Thanks for posting! I did however, when I first read about the Fomorians in Irish folklore, instantly react about "ah so that is where Games Workshop got the Fimir from!".
Hi, just wanted to add that they've added the Fimir back into Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, for the 4th edition. They don't get a lot in the small bestiary in the back of the book but it's possible future books will expand on that. And I appreciate you putting a content warning there for people that might need it.
Just wanted to say you're a breath of fresh air! Nice to see some one who really gets the history of the lore and GW products/tone and the context of British Sci-Fi in the 80's.
They are in the Total War: Warhammer games as part of the Norsca Faction. As this game is a gateway into the tabletop for a lot of new people, I suspect we might see more of the Fimir in the future.
Fimir in WFRP were great. Is this marsh safe? Can we communicate with these one-eyed critters, or should we stay weary of them? I had so much fun with these ""monsters".
great video! ive always loved the cool and unique design of the fimir ever since playing with my dad's copy of hero quest as a kid, and even grabbed 3 from forgeworld in early AoS, though never managed to get more than that before they were discontinued. Really hoping they can make a resurgence in the future and become a staple of the setting rather than just coming and going again
Maybe there is something wrong with me, but i love the concept of specie that in order to survive has to abduct human children. That makes them scary, and I can imagine parents teling they kids that if they misbehave Fimirs will kidnap them or something.
This is an amazing channel!! These history of videos are magnificent, can’t wait to see more. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fimir showing up in Warhammer Total war. Also, do Zoats next!!!
design-wise I see some of the design in the new 'ork-things' featured in AoS now. Besides, Fomorians could be found in I-Kores 'Celtos-Game' - never played it but always loved the sculpts, especially the Gael, obviously heavily inspired by Frank Frazettas Work.
Used to luv using fimir in wfrp. They made such a cool race to play against as a more terrifying encounter. Used them in multiple long play scenarios interwound through other campaigns with the draik pulling strings behind the scenes with human worshipping demon cults. Got a lot of the green plastic Fimir some I converted into shirls etc. Got the forgeworld sculpts and a couple other guys from other companies.
I always wondered what the hell a Fimir was ever since I got hero quest, especially since I was still a fan of Warhammer Fantasy at the time and had never heard of them before or since. As an Irish person who loves that Fimorians and irish mythology in general, I thought oh cool! I think Irish mythology could be a great resource material and wish it was used/popped up more. After finishing the video i am both disappointed and slightly offended. At least those later models looked cool
I feel the same way, Fomorians are increadibly interesting in Irish mythology and shame to see them misused as just "bog dwellers who rape women". Genuinely as a kid I always thought Balor of the evil eye was such a cool mythological figure. The idea that his eye was a sort of superweapon that took several men to open its lid, and had to be extremely careful to only look in their enemies' direction, is amazing 😅.
Ah... I remember the Heroquest model, and the story in a Heroquest sticker album having the Fimir as a really nasty monster that was really dangerous...
Another amazing video. Never heard of the Fimir before! I'm wondering why did Warhammer went from square to circle bases? What's the history of bases? Seriously, so many Warhammer (aos/fantasy/40k) really don't play the games and this sort of research is always highly appreciated.
Thanks! There were hex bases before that! I'd say mostly it's because round bases fir better on models that might move in any direction. Square bases are only a better choice in a game where you have to rank up models into blocks. When WHFB switched to AoS, and went from a rank-and-file game to an individual movement game, there was no reason to keep square bases.
@@Madhattersinjeans some vehicles (various armies' dreadnought equivalents mostly) had square bases back in the day, too… i expect for no reason other than gw didn't feel like creating new moulds for large round circular bases when they already had large square ones (and typical 40k armies would have at most one or two models that even used them). it was interesting to see bikers go from being on rectangular cavalry bases, to _no_ base, and now back around to oval bases.
if you ask me, age of sigmar switched to round bases from square/rectangular ones just to force all the whfb players to rebase all their models or else buy entire armies all over again ;)
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I certainly remember Fimir from Heroquest and i always meant to get myself a squad or contingent of allied Fimir warriors........so so cool! Ogre sized Fimir was another cool figure. As a squats player I would still love a fimir batallion or something. Goodness only knows how much Fimir models cost on ebay thede days! An arm and a leg no doubt.
No mention of the Corum books from Moorcock? The Fimir were the GW version of the Fhoi Myore although Moorcocks guys were closer to the legends. For those who don't know GW chaos is mostly stolen from moorcock as well.
Yeah, I totally agree that early Warhammer lifted a ton from Moorcock, especially regarding Chaos. But I kinda think that, given the abilities and backstory he gives the Fhoi Myore - which are very different to the WHFB Fimir - it's probably a case of lifting from the same background.
as a Scandinavian I find it endlessly funny they copyrighted the names of Fenris and Valhalla at some point, on account of 2 planets in the WH40K galaxy being named that @@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290
I would love to see the Fimir reintroduced as a proper squad in either AoS or 40k. In 40k they could be mercenaries hired by Oaks, Tau or Drukhari, or they could be classified as abhumans within the Imperium of man?
Have always been surprised GW hasn’t properly dived into Celtic Mythology as source material at some point. Related to the Fimir, we rarely heard about the mystery isle of Albion. The Regiments of Renown giants set is one of the few products specifically related to this region and I can’t help thinking the Fimir inspired the sculpts. Definitely felt like that was a moment when GW could have delved further into this lore but it wasn’t the case.
Hi. In warhammer fantasy 4th edition the fimir are back (it's a reboot of 1st) and even there are some clues to their in the "If looks could kill" adventure.
I have HeroQuest and never really played it. I have all the pieces, the video, and probably took it out of the box.... twice because I never understood how to play nor had enough people to do so.
I hope these guys find their way back into Age of Sigmar. I haven't invested much time into the game yet, but my cursory glance over everything that isn't lizardmen has felt very samey. There's a bunch of elves, some dwarfs, sigmarines, orks, chaos, and some humans. The only thing that really stood out to me were the ghosts and the Skaven. I guess as I write this out, I'm not entirely sure how to differentiate the Fimir from the beastmen, but they sure do look neat.
I came across this lore as a beardling. It was unsettling then, I guess that was it's intent to some extent. I ended up changing it for my games though as I thought there was no room for it in my teenage games.. as I did find. them a fascinating race. The change I made was.. that they still used Humans (or whoever they got their hands on) as part of their breeding cycle.. The Meargh.. acting more like a queen ... implanting their captives with a an embryo ... like a Parisite.. emerging to consume the host. Yes I think my tiny teenage brain was jazzed about Alien/Aliens at the time and it was a pretty hammy way to make these guys just... simply ... horrible. Anyway I hope they return somehow... in a less problematic way.
Honestly the Fimir don't seem any worse than the Goblins from the anime "Goblin Slayer" who have a similar reproductive cycle. And which is given far more focus than the Fimir's aspect likely would have seen on the tabletop or as part of a novel.
Its funny how what the fimir did was problematic...but when the dark elves did it it was fine and remained a detail.. We see stories about goblins doing that sort of thing all the time now.. Its all fictional...whats so problematic with evil, fictional monsters doing evil things?
Its an old Warhammer Community video - there's a link in the description. Essentially, the joke is that any time someone asks GW about Squats, plastic Thunderhawks, etc, they gave tk go reset the countdown clock.
Do Genestealer Cults reproduce in the same way? It’s always very quickly brushed over in lore vids and no one really elaborates. They do seem to have the same feel in tone to this race.
Yeah its called a 'kiss' and we both know that's tongue and cheek... Have you seen a genestealers tongue its enough to take your breath away haha From the wiki: The Genestealer will find a suitable host and hypnotise them into passivity using an effect induced with its eyes. The Genestealer then thrusts its long, whip-like tongue (which also serves as an ovipositor) into the body of the host, where it deposits its DNA in the form of a type of virus that infects the somatic and germ line cells of the host.
Subbed bro enjoying the obscure lore :). I hoarded the metal minis for the fimir and I love then except I dont play Sigmar. The Fimir are the trolls from Berserk for Sigmar
I love how we can enjoy a world where people wear heads of enemies as trophies, piles of skulls everywhere, dark elves murder-torturing each other in the streets. Blood, blood, blood! But it is okay, we say. We are all intelligent enough to separate fantasy from reality. I mean it's not like there is any violence in the real world anyway, right? But when we get to the breeding habits of the Fimir, we must speak in the most somber and heavy tones. Suddenly it's wrong and we can no longer separate fantasy from reality.
its I think for a few reasons. the writers said themselves that is was a poor and mishandled adaption of real Irish myth which is already a pretty great reason to fix it. it really didn't add anything to the fimir as a character and to a degree yea your probably right the fact that it details humans women being raped and the discourse around it is super uncomfortable for some players. warhammer can and does have depictions of the same stuff without being poorly done, like the tyranids, it's just that cause its potentially painful material they've gotta be doing it properly and not undercooked :P
Massive kudos for the content warning. Dark fantasy often tends to attract...difficult...type of people, it's nice to see this issue addressed in a civilized manner
Fomoroid lore is more similar to Greek cyclops than Celtic fomorians tbh. I don't think they are relates in lore in any way. Fomoroids in AoS are race of giant humanoid with one eye. Long time ago they were master in craftsmanship, especially as masons, no more evil than normal human or dwarf. But as time went on, they became de-facto slaves for Order civilisations, and later tortured and mutated completely as slaves of Chaos warriors. Now their species is just misarable brutes that sometimes show glimpses of former glory - like mosaics made up from human teeth and bones in slavepits. Fimir also exist in AoS, but they are almost forgotten by gw. But there is a place called "Fimir Bay" in Ghyran
Interesting video as always :) I really don't like this trend to sanitize anything so called problematic, it's good to have such tropes as to show them and point as bad. Like with erasing slavery from Pathfinder, I don't know what good comes from hiding things rather than having them in open to point out.
who's hiding these things..? its literally talked about explicitly in theory video and the writers of it discussed why they cut it. it wasn't "sanitising" it was just removing poor writing
Fimir still exist in Age of Sigmar lore despite the lack of model.
In the Everspring Swathe, one of the region in the Ghyran realmsphere, there is an island simply named the Peel. Said island is rumoured to be inhabited by malevolent mist-dweling creatures. Though not proprely named, the island is bordered by the "Fimir Bay", so we can easily guess what kind of creatures they are.
It wouldn't be the first time AoS writers make reference to "lost factions". The Chaos Dwarfs, for instance, make a few appearences : Zharr Vyxa in Shyish and the Forge Anathema in the Great Parch of Aqshy.
Great video by the way !
Chaos Dwarfs were directly referenced mere weeks ago in one of the promotional videos for the 3rd edition starter when discussing the Hobgrots and their hand grenades.
GW has generally been pretty alright with various works of theirs referencing pretty much anything they haven't explicitly retconned out of the lore. It's a good way to do it, gives them a way to pick those things back up if they get new ideas about them at some point. Both the 40k and AoS settings are so large that you can painlessly fade things in or out.
They could come back in The Old World, they are back in Warhammer Total War
I like how GW were wanting to create a unique fantasy race and then just completely rob some cool artwork off a book of Irish mythology lol, they were cool looking figures though.
Nothing is unique and original anymore. What they did was draw on folklore rather than just Tolkien, and I wish more fantasy did this.
@@Commodore22345 Not all fantasy has to be Tolkienian though. You can do other things.
@@Commodore22345 You're missing what I'm saying. Popular doesn't mean objectively good, nor does just copying it make the new thing good. I would love to see a game that uses the Scottish origin of halfling (an early term for teenagers) instead of everyone just using hobbits. You can have other things. Not everything needs to just be a copy of Tolkien.
That's what fimirs were. They were a relatively new contribution by GW on top of the Tolkienian tropes, such that it made the Old World a more unique and interesting place rather than just another D&D setting. Just stealing from Tolkien just makes things another boring Euro fantasy setting.
is fimir a sub species of the lizard man race that live in cold places？
@@ScooterinAB there is a difference between drawing on lore, and outright copying artwork :p
Great content as always! Interestingly enough, the Fimir make an appearance in the Total War: Warhammer games as part of the Norscan faction. Both the Fimir Balefiend and Fimir Warriors are available as playable units. Nothing is mentioned of their previous history though!
Even then, Norsca and the Warriors of Chaos in the TW games are renounced for being suuuuuper outdated in comparison to the others. Fitting ,I suppose
@@Lynch2507 outdated?? Nahhhh they are TRADITIONAL! Lol. It's tradition to release like 15 races into a game, and update 13 of them constantly, some of them having full faction overhauls, double the hero units and sometimes triple the roster, meanwhile chaos gets a few gameplay updates for the mechanics (no legendary lords though, never!) but norsca?.......we don't talk about norsca.....
Hey beastmen got a single new hero and large unit once so....that's cool
@@wisersamson9000 check out the latest patch incoming and the new DLC - Beastmen finally getting some serious love from CA
There is also a voice line of the Changeling in the Shadows of Change expansion that speaks about turning into a Fimir to lead an Albion invasion, pretty cool :)
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I remember these guys as mid-level baddies in Hero Quest. I had no idea they had such dark lore behind them, or any lore at all for that matter.
Same, I remember in Hero Quest there was this weird thing and I was like "wtf is a Fimir"?
I remember Fimorians from Slaine comics in 2000AD in the 80's I like the Fimir, would be a great replacement for orcs, goblins or other common fantasy monsters in an RPG
I love the Fimir, they serve as a perfect contrast to the standard khorne and nurgle goons while being their own, fun models and a great enemy!
There's a bit more on Fimir from the Hogshead 2nd ed WFRP supplement 'Dying of the light' which has them in the marshland around Marienburg and introduces daemonomaniacs. A lot of fans also take material from the unofficial Warpstone magazine, issue 25 of which was dedicated to one take on their backstory. :)
Oh, and the Marvel Heroquest special also has a little more on their capacity and limitations in 'the monstrous regiment'.
I have was lucky to snag one of the lovely Forge World Fimirach Noble models a few months back, painted up complete with a swamp base. If they released new ones I'd play them in a heartbeat!
Quite a bit of Irish language and mythology influence that was prominent in Fantasy and 40k got forgotten about or ignored as time went on, for example the Eldar used to use Irish or peudo-Irish words a lot.
Yeah the Craftworlds are named after Celtic pre-Christian religious festivals like Biel-Tann = Beltane, Saim-Hann = Samhain, Lugganath = Lughnasad etc. To say nothing of the Howling Banshees aspect warriors. I think the WH40K writers intended the Eldar to be a metaphor for real life Celtic peoples, in terms of the sociopolitical commentary....
Hia just a note on the Marags, there was an update for the Frimer for WHFRP, not writen but fully endorced and cannonised by GW that made a change to the witchqueens of the frimer.
They CAN breed, but in doing so they lose most of there magic and ALL of there standing in there comunity. after all any slave can be a breader. this also means that should a female be born when not needed she may find herself in the pens rather than just executed.
this also make s the frimmer Witch queens even more evil as the misery they inflict in there nabours is as a result of the Marrags choise of power over famerly..
While I can understand that the designers/writers may now wish to distance themselves from a design desicion they wouldn't make today.
This IS Warhammer, and the fact that there are a race of creatures who can only propgate by abducting females (a VERY VERY VERY common practice by tribes of our own world, even to this day.) Isn't that unsurprising. It's not like they described anything, they simply eluded to a dark and horrifying truth.
I mean, lets face it, we all know that the Dark Elves and Dark Eldar practice the EXACT same behavior. Yet it's never explicity mentioned in any writings pertaining to them, but we all know it happens.
And I'll say it again, This Is Warhammer.
Nobody should be surprised that a grimdark setting is full of horrorfying fates.
Man, I remember all of this from the time... loved the design.
Just FYI, 'cyclopean' doesn't mean what you think it means... it means 'giant', not 'one-eyed'... so Lovecraft described the ancient halls in At The Mountains Of Madness as 'cyclopean'.
Websters lists both as acceptable definitions, although the reference to architecture is the oldest/more traditional usage
@@AndorianBlues Interesting... I only ever heard of the one.
I guess one of Lovecraft's many character flaws is that he uses really archaic language.
Would be cool to see some of the old fantasy stuff in AoS sort of how we’ve gotten zoats and squats from the 40k boxed games.
Yeah, that might be a good way to keep them present. A bad guy in Warhammer Quest, or a model in an Underworlds team.
I first encountered the Fimir in Hero Quest and occasionally saw them in old "White Dwarf" back issues but had no idea about the larger role they played in the Warhammer universe, so this is very enlightening. Thanks for posting!
I did however, when I first read about the Fomorians in Irish folklore, instantly react about "ah so that is where Games Workshop got the Fimir from!".
Hi, just wanted to add that they've added the Fimir back into Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, for the 4th edition. They don't get a lot in the small bestiary in the back of the book but it's possible future books will expand on that. And I appreciate you putting a content warning there for people that might need it.
Just wanted to say you're a breath of fresh air! Nice to see some one who really gets the history of the lore and GW products/tone and the context of British Sci-Fi in the 80's.
They are in the Total War: Warhammer games as part of the Norsca Faction. As this game is a gateway into the tabletop for a lot of new people, I suspect we might see more of the Fimir in the future.
I was just going to type this.
This is an old comment I know, but there's also a full on fimir mod that seems high quality.
Fimir in WFRP were great. Is this marsh safe? Can we communicate with these one-eyed critters, or should we stay weary of them? I had so much fun with these ""monsters".
great video! ive always loved the cool and unique design of the fimir ever since playing with my dad's copy of hero quest as a kid, and even grabbed 3 from forgeworld in early AoS, though never managed to get more than that before they were discontinued. Really hoping they can make a resurgence in the future and become a staple of the setting rather than just coming and going again
On Fimir reproduction:
So that's where Berserk got Troll reproduction from!
Maybe there is something wrong with me, but i love the concept of specie that in order to survive has to abduct human children. That makes them scary, and I can imagine parents teling they kids that if they misbehave Fimirs will kidnap them or something.
This is an amazing channel!! These history of videos are magnificent, can’t wait to see more. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fimir showing up in Warhammer Total war. Also, do Zoats next!!!
They feel core part of my army when I'm playing as Wintertooth in Total War: Warhammer 2
I also painted my HeroQuest Fimir green.
I'm addicted to your channel bro! I have to skip a lot of videos because I am currently reading through The Horus Heresy but loving everything else!
Excellent mate, so well presented
design-wise I see some of the design in the new 'ork-things' featured in AoS now.
Besides, Fomorians could be found in I-Kores 'Celtos-Game' - never played it but always loved the sculpts, especially the Gael, obviously heavily inspired by Frank Frazettas Work.
Used to luv using fimir in wfrp. They made such a cool race to play against as a more terrifying encounter. Used them in multiple long play scenarios interwound through other campaigns with the draik pulling strings behind the scenes with human worshipping demon cults.
Got a lot of the green plastic Fimir some I converted into shirls etc.
Got the forgeworld sculpts and a couple other guys from other companies.
Would be good to see these guys come back with retconned lore, possibly as a chaos beast men or chaos marauders unit
I mean the gerudo in Zelda kidnap and 'marry' Hylian men to produce offspring, so this reproductive method isn't exactly new to fantasy settings.
Thank you for the content warnings!
I always wondered what the hell a Fimir was ever since I got hero quest, especially since I was still a fan of Warhammer Fantasy at the time and had never heard of them before or since.
As an Irish person who loves that Fimorians and irish mythology in general, I thought oh cool! I think Irish mythology could be a great resource material and wish it was used/popped up more.
After finishing the video i am both disappointed and slightly offended.
At least those later models looked cool
@@patrickquin8674 The flagrant misuse of the Finorians as a concept
@@Sternly finorians or formorians?
I feel the same way, Fomorians are increadibly interesting in Irish mythology and shame to see them misused as just "bog dwellers who rape women". Genuinely as a kid I always thought Balor of the evil eye was such a cool mythological figure. The idea that his eye was a sort of superweapon that took several men to open its lid, and had to be extremely careful to only look in their enemies' direction, is amazing 😅.
Didnt know that there was so much to the Fimir! Like you I remember seeing them in heroquest, but I just thought they were some sort of chaos mutant!
Ah... I remember the Heroquest model, and the story in a Heroquest sticker album having the Fimir as a really nasty monster that was really dangerous...
New subscriber but I really love these meta videos about the actual business and real life stuff behind the games
Another amazing video. Never heard of the Fimir before!
I'm wondering why did Warhammer went from square to circle bases? What's the history of bases? Seriously, so many Warhammer (aos/fantasy/40k) really don't play the games and this sort of research is always highly appreciated.
Thanks! There were hex bases before that!
I'd say mostly it's because round bases fir better on models that might move in any direction. Square bases are only a better choice in a game where you have to rank up models into blocks. When WHFB switched to AoS, and went from a rank-and-file game to an individual movement game, there was no reason to keep square bases.
@@Madhattersinjeans Yep, the old bikes had square bases that just.. take up less space than oval ones.
@@Madhattersinjeans some vehicles (various armies' dreadnought equivalents mostly) had square bases back in the day, too… i expect for no reason other than gw didn't feel like creating new moulds for large round circular bases when they already had large square ones (and typical 40k armies would have at most one or two models that even used them).
it was interesting to see bikers go from being on rectangular cavalry bases, to _no_ base, and now back around to oval bases.
if you ask me, age of sigmar switched to round bases from square/rectangular ones just to force all the whfb players to rebase all their models or else buy entire armies all over again ;)
Ah yes Heroquest, still have the same box from way back in my young days, wear and tear included *chuckles*
Dude. I don't even play 40k. But omg I love these videos.
Shout out for the content warning. It costs you only a little time but is very appreciated. You're a good 'un Ian.
Heya! Thank you so much for putting a sexual assault trigger warning. You are one of the only 40k/fantasy lore channels that do that.
Often it's a recurring theme in other channels either taken very lightly as (questionable) parts of the lore or is the subject of off colour jokes and it really makes navigating the space a challenge. So... Thanks! It does help ^-^
This is a great new channel! I'm loving these retrospectives!
Sounds like they tried to make the Fimir more like Deep Ones. Maybe we the Fishmen rumor started to distract from the Fimir fiasco?
meanwhile the Genestealer Cults in WH40K are very clearly inspired by the Dagon cultists in Lovecraft's "Shadow over Innsmouth"
Imagine getting upset cause someone was being thoughtful and put up a warning. Jesus...
The Fomoroid Crusher is a fimir-like model and is still available. Can you do a video about the Chaos Dwarfs?
I certainly remember Fimir from Heroquest and i always meant to get myself a squad or contingent of allied Fimir warriors........so so cool! Ogre sized Fimir was another cool figure. As a squats player I would still love a fimir batallion or something.
Goodness only knows how much Fimir models cost on ebay thede days! An arm and a leg no doubt.
I love this video and it’s ability to be conscious. I will play a little devils advocate here. The more hardcore scary lore is better.
No mention of the Corum books from Moorcock? The Fimir were the GW version of the Fhoi Myore although Moorcocks guys were closer to the legends.
For those who don't know GW chaos is mostly stolen from moorcock as well.
Yeah, I totally agree that early Warhammer lifted a ton from Moorcock, especially regarding Chaos. But I kinda think that, given the abilities and backstory he gives the Fhoi Myore - which are very different to the WHFB Fimir - it's probably a case of lifting from the same background.
Yeah, it's kinda funny how GW does both steal from every other competent author, while also being fiercely protective of "their IP".
as a Scandinavian I find it endlessly funny they copyrighted the names of Fenris and Valhalla at some point, on account of 2 planets in the WH40K galaxy being named that @@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290
Great summary, keep the videos coming!
This channel is so great, I'm learning Warhammer/40K lore when I thought I'd learnt everything
I would love to see the Fimir reintroduced as a proper squad in either AoS or 40k. In 40k they could be mercenaries hired by Oaks, Tau or Drukhari, or they could be classified as abhumans within the Imperium of man?
There's an unofficial 40k mini of one
I think I would have just retconned it so Fimir kidnapped human children and changed them into more Fimir with their *Dark Magic* or whatever.
Yep this is the best wargaming history channel for sure. Can't wait to watch it grow! Preciate the warning as well!
You're the best Ian. That's it, that's the comment.
Ha! Thanks. GOOD COMMENT.
I’m getting Dark Crystal vibes.
oh it's not just me!!!
Have always been surprised GW hasn’t properly dived into Celtic Mythology as source material at some point. Related to the Fimir, we rarely heard about the mystery isle of Albion. The Regiments of Renown giants set is one of the few products specifically related to this region and I can’t help thinking the Fimir inspired the sculpts. Definitely felt like that was a moment when GW could have delved further into this lore but it wasn’t the case.
Brilliant video
Super interesting video! Can't wait for the next necromunda video!
I have one of those green plastic ones from Hero Quest. Always wondered what it was.
Hi. In warhammer fantasy 4th edition the fimir are back (it's a reboot of 1st) and even there are some clues to their in the "If looks could kill" adventure.
Honestly the Fimir being monsters kidnapping women for species propagation… make sense. They’re monsters.
I have HeroQuest and never really played it. I have all the pieces, the video, and probably took it out of the box.... twice because I never understood how to play nor had enough people to do so.
I hope these guys find their way back into Age of Sigmar. I haven't invested much time into the game yet, but my cursory glance over everything that isn't lizardmen has felt very samey. There's a bunch of elves, some dwarfs, sigmarines, orks, chaos, and some humans. The only thing that really stood out to me were the ghosts and the Skaven. I guess as I write this out, I'm not entirely sure how to differentiate the Fimir from the beastmen, but they sure do look neat.
A Runequest reference!?! Subscribed! I have a Runequest tattoo of Humakt runes!
Ty for this
The beastman reproduce in this exact same way though, don’t they?
Don't look into skaven reproduction.
Fimir also show up in Total War Warhammer, would've been interesting to see them included here.
Oh man the new Kruel boyz are perfect for convert to Fimir
3.34 loved that story....lots of Paul Bonner artwork
I came across this lore as a beardling. It was unsettling then, I guess that was it's intent to some extent. I ended up changing it for my games though as I thought there was no room for it in my teenage games.. as I did find. them a fascinating race.
The change I made was.. that they still used Humans (or whoever they got their hands on) as part of their breeding cycle.. The Meargh.. acting more like a queen ... implanting their captives with a an embryo ... like a Parisite.. emerging to consume the host.
Yes I think my tiny teenage brain was jazzed about Alien/Aliens at the time and it was a pretty hammy way to make these guys just... simply ... horrible.
Anyway I hope they return somehow... in a less problematic way.
Honestly the Fimir don't seem any worse than the Goblins from the anime "Goblin Slayer" who have a similar reproductive cycle. And which is given far more focus than the Fimir's aspect likely would have seen on the tabletop or as part of a novel.
You just made f*cking genestealers...
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 I wish lol. Although genestealers do not consume the infected. I was inspired by alien.
@@jimirowe7006 yeah, and the genestealers were "inspired" by alien, so I guess you just used the same source.
Its funny how what the fimir did was problematic...but when the dark elves did it it was fine and remained a detail..
We see stories about goblins doing that sort of thing all the time now..
Its all fictional...whats so problematic with evil, fictional monsters doing evil things?
Why are the Fimir allied with Norsca faction in Total War Warhammer game series?
Noob question. What's the running joke about GW and a clock falling off the wall?
Its an old Warhammer Community video - there's a link in the description.
Essentially, the joke is that any time someone asks GW about Squats, plastic Thunderhawks, etc, they gave tk go reset the countdown clock.
GW: Damn we realize that wasn't okay what we wrote
Slaanesh: IDK, i dont see anything wrong
Hi
I'm early!! Great vid!!
Fimir sculpts we’re absolutely BOMB. I miss them so much, wtf Forgeworld
Kinda weird that we can have Demonculaba in 40k, but a bit of implied snuggle struggle in FB is a no-go.
Probably because the demonculaba is so over the Top, and the fimir s doing ist comparative real...
@@Quasimodo-mq8tw so what about beastmen? they do exactly the same
Do Genestealer Cults reproduce in the same way? It’s always very quickly brushed over in lore vids and no one really elaborates.
They do seem to have the same feel in tone to this race.
Yeah its called a 'kiss' and we both know that's tongue and cheek... Have you seen a genestealers tongue its enough to take your breath away haha
From the wiki: The Genestealer will find a suitable host and hypnotise them into passivity using an effect induced with its eyes.
The Genestealer then thrusts its long, whip-like tongue (which also serves as an ovipositor) into the body of the host, where it deposits its DNA in the form of a type of virus that infects the somatic and germ line cells of the host.
Subbed bro enjoying the obscure lore :). I hoarded the metal minis for the fimir and I love then except I dont play Sigmar. The Fimir are the trolls from Berserk for Sigmar
What do you know, monsters do monstrous things. It's an interesting origin.
yikes
Fimir are also in Total War: Warhammer 2 as a higher tier alternative to trolls for the Norse Army
1:48 I declare bankruptcy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that GW holds the license for the Fimir but is not using them, we will be getting something different in HeroQuest.
Fimir's in HeroQuest were my fave
Are Fimir really unique to the Warhammer Universe? Werent tjey also in Hero Quest 30 years ago? Or was that part of warhammer anyways?
the firmir also made an appearance in total warhammer. norsca dlc i think.
I love how we can enjoy a world where people wear heads of enemies as trophies, piles of skulls everywhere, dark elves murder-torturing each other in the streets. Blood, blood, blood! But it is okay, we say. We are all intelligent enough to separate fantasy from reality. I mean it's not like there is any violence in the real world anyway, right?
But when we get to the breeding habits of the Fimir, we must speak in the most somber and heavy tones. Suddenly it's wrong and we can no longer separate fantasy from reality.
@@patrickquin8674 And you’re the one freaking out because a guy said ‘problematic’ in a video
I mean like this comment is wild but like one of my favourite things about it is you just making grand sweeping statements its really funny
Nowdays the Kruelboyz kinda took most of the Fimir's flavor, mist and bogs included.
let not forget FIMIR in total warhammer dlc unit as norsca faction which is nice
Do a video on the amazon warriors.
They were also added to Total Warhammer!
So I'm confused why is that unacceptable but tyranid doing practically the same thing ok? Is it just because they are more humanoid
its I think for a few reasons. the writers said themselves that is was a poor and mishandled adaption of real Irish myth which is already a pretty great reason to fix it. it really didn't add anything to the fimir as a character and to a degree yea your probably right the fact that it details humans women being raped and the discourse around it is super uncomfortable for some players.
warhammer can and does have depictions of the same stuff without being poorly done, like the tyranids, it's just that cause its potentially painful material they've gotta be doing it properly and not undercooked :P
The Fimir are problematic but the dark elves aren't?
Did he say that?
Did I say he did?
@@TheHarimgrebduhl Holy shit, you're actually going to pretend that you don't understand implication?
@@jessl1934 Holy shit, you're actually going to pretend that you don't understand literally reading?
@@TheHarimgrebduhl A swing and a miss. Props for trying though.
Massive kudos for the content warning. Dark fantasy often tends to attract...difficult...type of people, it's nice to see this issue addressed in a civilized manner
You mean the type of people who like slashing, mauling and outright killing?
@@ColonelVermel no, the type of people that, for some reason have a problem with someone being acomidating for their audience.
couldn't have put it better, it's wild coming back to this comment section a year later
How has This never happened before, you've covered slannethi goddamnit...
So if Fimir were fomorians for Warhammer what is a fomoroid? Is that a new species or another hold over?
I mean, who knows? But they have one eye so they're probably based on the same idea, at least in part.
@@ArbitorIan You're probably right. It just seems like of you have a large cyclopean race with a F name why add another.
Yeah I always just assumed they were related in some way
Fomoroid lore is more similar to Greek cyclops than Celtic fomorians tbh. I don't think they are relates in lore in any way.
Fomoroids in AoS are race of giant humanoid with one eye. Long time ago they were master in craftsmanship, especially as masons, no more evil than normal human or dwarf. But as time went on, they became de-facto slaves for Order civilisations, and later tortured and mutated completely as slaves of Chaos warriors. Now their species is just misarable brutes that sometimes show glimpses of former glory - like mosaics made up from human teeth and bones in slavepits.
Fimir also exist in AoS, but they are almost forgotten by gw. But there is a place called "Fimir Bay" in Ghyran
@@Inquisdrknss also Fachans from rune quest!
Interesting video as always :)
I really don't like this trend to sanitize anything so called problematic, it's good to have such tropes as to show them and point as bad. Like with erasing slavery from Pathfinder, I don't know what good comes from hiding things rather than having them in open to point out.
I like the saying, when it comes to things like this, that goes something like, "the best disinfectant is sunlight".
who's hiding these things..? its literally talked about explicitly in theory video and the writers of it discussed why they cut it. it wasn't "sanitising" it was just removing poor writing
It's a shame that we can't have the darker elements of fantasy stuff... I mean they are meant to be horrifying creatures.
GW - teases swamp release
everyone - finally we gonna get fimir
GW - releases goblins just to make you buy all the orcs twice.
fucking GW
*CW plays*
Oh god he's going to talk about The Broo