The sarna group and other are in very danger from Christian missionary the hindu population should help them to get basic facilities because they convert due Christian missionary provide money to them
Lol we feel more threatened from those who are hell bent on including us in their Hindu propaganda motives. Our culture and tradition is way different from yours.
BTW I am sarna and I still waiting for those missionaries to send me some cash. I won't change my religion but I would like to have an option. If you know some feel free to reach out anytime.
@@Neha-vj2ec forget abt hinduism if u convert to this semitic fold of abrahamic religion u r yourself destroying the cults of singbonga ,jaheraho marangburu. Organise your religion and faith of your gods then of sarna gods otherise both Christians and hindus you have your own identity. After all sarna is india born faith. But u dont because u can sell your identity of faith for money and convert in the name of god of arab israel world of semitic dessert, that time your sense of ethnic idenity goes to shithole dnt even think that god of abraham falsify other gods including singbonga, marangburu jaheraho all. U dnt even have pride of your own gods and start bootlicking of padris for money. U have anger over hinduism which also born in india like sarna like jainism buddhism sikhism but no problem with jealous god of semitic dessert. Dubious greedy Shameless ......ricebag converts. I have seen your vid u like Bernie Sanders now i understand u r loony left. So u pretend to be a sarna u r actually christislamic-communist. But your Bernie is out of race and his two babes including ilan who married to her brother cant save him.
@@125bbna8 Firstly my comment was more from personal experience and it was directed towards the person who assumed tribal culture is threatened only & only by abrahamic religons. I hope you are aware we the tribal people are demanding are our own sarna code cause we are tired of identity assumption & being labelled as something we are not. But i guess you are very clear that i am pretending to be sarna and spewing hatred towards hinduism (guess you are one of those hindutava khatre mein hain chap and take everything said as an attack to hinduism). FYI I do not have any problem with any religon. Secondly, If you read my previous comment I never said i will change the religon i was born to but you are still calling me things in your comment. I wont deny the fact that some people change their religon out of greed but then you cannot deny there are also people who convert because of some calling or whatever that is. People have every right to convert on their own (not forceful). Lastly it is hilarious of you to assume that i am leftist and bernie fan. I hope you know not everything is about labels. I also wish someday you will see me liking the videos of shapiro, crowder, kirk, breitbart, andrew yang, AOC etc and not try to label everything.
The Christian population percentage of the north east tribal states is really alarming and shocking!!! Especially their growth rates in these areas. The government must take strong steps to counter this demographic change!!
@@trolllovindaddyIt's false that our culture promotes xenophobia...... We've always been welcoming to all the cultures and people that came from outside...... It's just that we have always been cheated by them and our generosity has always been taken for granted..... The country has been looted, People killed, cultural heritage destroyed, temples sabotaged, Scriptures corrupted, forests denuded..... So the thing that you call xenophobia is just a product of humiliation the natives of this land have faced.......
According to Sri CHANDRASEKARENDRA SARASWATHI the the 68th Peetahthipathi of Sankara Math in Kanchi, established by Adi Sankara all those who have not declared themselves as Christians, Muslims and Jews are Hindus
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‘Gotra system’ of our ancient India, which still exists is the people’s indexing system of our modern times. Entire Hindus of our India are the offsprings of Sapta Rushis of our ancient times. Thus Hindus are aboriginals or native ancient Hindu tribes. All others are non Hindus or foreigners in India. Census can be constructed on these grounds. Genetical studies can be done for the reconstruction of our demografic statistics.
When Britishers were their "Animist" column used to be there for the Tribals to select it as an option. Now it is not anymore in Census then Tribals fill in Hindu as religion (It is not by choice) as Talageri mentions...Presenting the information as suited for his theory...Almost every Tribe have animistic religion doesn't mean they are Hindu
@equinox So what!!! If you and Talageri is wrong. How does my identity matter? Truth is what I said. Tribals in India doesn't come under Hindus by default. Check the Constitution.
Sam the discussion is not wether tribals are Hindus or not, the main discussion is refuting aryan invasion theory, let me tell you something INDIA has for centuries been a urban country infact Indians for centuries have been migrating from one place to another, what Talgiri sir told is so true about people migrating from one place to another so a subsection of society which was localised and people who lived in forests ( vanvasis) are considered adivasis and even many adivasis have been respected such that even sanyasis have worked for welfare of vanvasis .
@@mauktikkul6845 The title of video is "Are Indian Tribals Hindu", so I think it is the main topic of discussion. Indian Tribals are not Hindus, that is what I am telling. This topic and AIT are two different things.
How you force an educated tribals to practice a particular religion? Leave it on them ? Who conducted actual rituals of Hindu festivals is it Tribals themselves or by Brahmans in tribal regions?
Great speech. Hinduism I have been told is an amalgamation of all Indian religions. It reminds me of African indigenous religion, which is labeled as animism like the religion of the Tribals in India. Shinto religion of Japan also seems similar to both religious cultures.
Hindutwa means Bharatiya *See some facts* 👉 Indus river = Shindu river se S'hindu se Bana hindu (hindu) Jaise Indian ocean = hind Mahasagar Se bana Hindustan all is Indian continents *Hindu is not religion it's a geographical/ cultural identity* Hindu yeh majhab(उपासना पद्धति) nahi ye bhaugolic (भौगोलिक /सांस्कृतिक) pahachan hai To hamare aur (mere pyare bhai) aapke purkhe ek hi hai we are from one family Aap Arab ya Turkey se aaye huye dakait/ lutere / chor- uchakke / akrantaye/aatankwadi / Terrorist/ Dahashatgard nahi ho Pahchano aapne aap Ko 💕🇮🇳👍 Bha(भा)= light प्रकाश Rat (रत)= to spread फैलानेवाला *Means he spreads light (knowledge) whole over the world 🌏* it's Hindustan 🇮🇳💕👍 *India koi Aasman se tapka hua nam nahi Indian ocean se aur indus river se nam ayya India.* *Our well developed culture says whole world 💞is our family 🌏* Not a single culture in the world 🌏 who capable to say this *"☝ one word 🌏 Family 💞"* *"वसुधैव 🌏कुटुंबकम् 💞"* 🚩 जय हिन्द 🇮🇳 जय भारत
Yes. Tribals have been given a distinct identity by the Indian law for providing them special facilities for their development. But that identity is within the Hindu fold.
Let's stop this kind of discussion when it is viewed from the religious point of view . The people living in forests are the defeated people. They were called Pishacha in the past Gunadhya wrote Brihatkatha in Pishachi language . Later on , it was translated into Sanskrit by Somdev . The title is Kathasaritsagara . Dandin , while classifying languages , named the language of the defeated forest people Bhoot Bhasha .
This so-called Hindu majority is a myth!! We're a bunch of different jatis combined together and given this name.. It's time to decimate this concept of minority religions and stop giving them special privileges in the name of religion..
Krishna Bhat that would fracture Hindu civilizational unity. Rather than classify Hindus as congregation of religious minorities, let the 'majority' be 'majority' while not extending any special privileges to 'minority' religions.
Big Guy Yes, I agree. Dividing Hindus was not my intention. But the very fact that Hinduism is so diverse within itself shows that there are no minorities in this country.. On the contrary, the so-called minorities have a united front!! So yes, I second your opinion. Special privileges only based on minority/majority is not required.. Rather than considering religion, economic or regional (like rural areas) backwardness maybe taken as criteria..
Most of the minority facilities are illegally provided for political gain. Buodh, Jain, Sikh are not seperate identity but they saw muslim even being more in population, to be benifitted, they demanded minority status for them. That is why now Lingait claimed minority status. The main problem is basis of minority status has not been defined in constitution. The vote bank policy kept muslims focused. Now question has been raised that Hindus being lesser in 8 states are being treated as majority and are being denied of minority benifit and mojority religeous groups in those states are getting minority benifit which doesnot look rationale. Again up to what % of a population shoud be granted minority status. Muslims even being 14-18% in country basis are given minority status. Is that rational? Now it has to be desided by Supreme Court. I am not informed what is the latest position. Once % and geographical basis is desided much of the problem will be solved.
I was of the opinion from the introduction of the speaker that I would come to know something informative but I am utterly disappointed. I am so disappointed that I stopped watching the video after 9.31. The video opens with the classification of 'Hindus' according to the Constitution as per the speaker. What he is citing as reference is basically the 'Hindu Marriage Act' of 1955. When you are defining a religion on the basis of Constitution or an Act you must remember it is for the legal purposes. In which case though the person may not be of 'Hindu' religion (may be Sikh/Buddhist) but this particular law will be applicable to him/her. Secondly he is kind of endorsing by quoting British ethnographers/administrators the idea that-"the entire Indian society is animistic". With the magnificent pillars of deep philosophy in Hinduism do you really feel Hinduism is nothing more than 'Animism'? Or there is no sharp distinction between Hinduism and Animism, as Herbert Hisley says? While framing a faulty framework the speaker forgot that there is no person by the name Herbert Hisley it is actually Herbert Hope Risley. I know why this kind of mistake happens, this happens when you are desperately looking trying to cherry pick lines quoted by someone, without knowing anything about his work except a one line introduction.
Sumit Soren u came to know something “informative” as an something that u alrdy agree with and he clearly didn’t give it to u. Atleast u should have finished the video n then left ur comment
Thr constitution was a continuation of British laws. They termed all non Christians, non Muslims et al as Hindus. So trials have no choice. They don't belong to Hindus in the strict sense. Basava removed himself from Hindu cult to form a separate religion and to this day Lingayats are fighting for a separate religion. Does the Ghar wapsi programe promise all trials coming back be kept equal to higher caste of Hindus or just to their 'respect' position. Conversion may be a poison, but these upper class Hindus are only shedding crocodile tears. They will not do anything useful to tribals. In TN, many say their faith is not Hindu and their gods been usurped by caste Hindus like Murugan, Valli, Shiva (vedam mentions about Rudra only), Kottravai, Karuppu etc. It is unlikely the present dispensation wd do anything useful to tribals except treating them as Hindu vote banks.
you are right i come from Santhali tribe in west bengal , and we worship shiva and pavati (Marangburu and jaherawo) and in our culture fire is sacred as in sanatan dharm. the comments are full of buthurt people who want to divide India ................
A lot of migrations did take place into India you need to understand that, the tribals have lived here before the times of the caste system and have their own culture, beliefs that may have some common elements with "Hinduism" as Hinduism absorbed some of their beliefs and vice versa over centuries. You can't really equate Sanatan Dharma with tribal religion and Hinduism practiced in different parts of India, Hinduism itself is not a religion but something that was formed over a long period of time due to mixing of beliefs (both peacefully and agressively) . Us Brahmins cannot comment on what is good for tribals or what is not, they have the right to protect their own beliefs from both the RSS as well as other missionaries.
In reference ruclips.net/video/d21XnNqXySg/видео.html to local religions that of Manipur being followed by Meitei jati. One must see the development of the so-called native religion. It is a religion on paper, manufactured on lies and deception. It is anti-Hinduism. Hinduism packaged with different name. But anti-Hindu to begin with. I have made a video on this. Soon add more.
I did not expect this from him. He is not mentioning one fact that hindu in a religion sense emerged only in 19th century. Al beruni's Al hind means what? Religion or place?
Hmmm. I live in Australia and know some of the Aboriginal communities well. I've also spent some time with various Adivasi groups in India. This all sounds a little biased towards Hindus to me. Here in Australia, many Aboriginal people Identity as Christians, but that is because of the historical social forces surrounding them.
Hmmm.....you sound like a typical moron westerner. You asshats in Australia destroyed the Aboriginals, their lives, their livelihoods, took their lands, murdered them in Australia and converted them FORCEFULLY to Christianity, how typical of a bunch of criminal penal colonists.
Everyone in Bharat is Hindu. It's a cultural national term. All polytheist idolators or animists whose philosophy is original to Bharat, they are Hindu.
for tribals hindu means lower caste and thy will b treated nt equally so bttr thy sud accept Christian or buddhism or anythng ehr there is no csste system
Shrikant ji, You keep using the term "tribal" it's same in the same context as adivasi. Derogatory term similar to jungali. Please realize if you want to avoid a term for being negative you don't want to use another negative term created by outsiders. It's defeating the purpose of what your trying to present here.
In my writings on Vedic history, I refer to the Purus (the Vedic Aryans) and other people as "tribes". The word "tribe" is not a negative word. All castes were "tribes" to begin with till urban civilization made most of the tribes into castes within the varnavyavastha. Those who remained in isolated areas (hills, forests, coastal villages) continued to be "tribes". If you are drawing a distinction between "tribe" and "tribal", I did not think of it in that sense. As I said above, in the context of their particular areas being sought nowadays to be stolen from them in the name of "development", even the word adivasi is acceptable so far as those particular areas are concerned.
Shrikant Talageri Shrikant Talageri the word tribal is synonymous with jungli, that would be translation in Hindi. Meaning people who live in mountains, and forests away from the "industrialized" world. They are farmers, woodcutters and work and business thats is suited in those areas. Now to refer to them as jungali /"tribal" is derogatory. I dont think they consider themselves jungali/tribal and I dont think others should either. You referred people in Manipur , Nagaland, and Mirozam, Meghaliya, and Arunanchal as "purely tribal" /"poora jungli"which I dont think they refer to themselves as that. It's calling their way of living primitive. In that case every farmer in the world is a tribal. I dont think farmers would appreciate that and therefore its unfair to call someone tribal on basis of their way of living. I have met the people of Assam the so called tribal and they dont call themselves that. I know the argument you are making with people who are easily converted to Christianity but to call them jungali/tribal in today's context is unwarranted.
"Van" means "jangal", so the RSS word "vanwasi" also means "jangli" according to you. The framers of the constitution, by talking about scheduled "tribes", also branded them as "jangli" according to you. What a very clever way to divert attention from the subject of the talk! I am sorry, I cannot play this game with you.
Shrikant Talageri Shrikant ji its not a game. I enjoy your talks and understand your point and I'm not diverting anything. I'm pointing out that calling someone jungali weather with a word Tribal or Vanwasi or Adivasi is not a pleasant label. You may disagree but you should open up to the fact that such words are demeaning to certain people. There's no reason for you to get upset and its ok to have a conversation so we can both learn from one another or at least understand other points of view.
@@killoreo it's not synonymous. Tribal just means belonging to a tribe. There are tribes all over the world. Amazonian tribes, arab tribes, native American tribes etc. Native Americans are very proud their tribes. A tribe is a type of social division.
Tribes are not hindus. Tribes are homogeneous community. All tribes have distinct culture and language. There is no dirty caste structure in their society. Hinduism's main pillar is the caste, the four varnas. Only Brahmin performs puja in Sanskrit. In tribal society its own tribal headman performs puja, in his own tribal language, which is Sacrosanct, not Sanskrit. Tribes are Nature worshippers, not idol worshippers. Tribals treat caste people as outsiders. Santhals call outsiders as dikkus. For a tribe it hardly matters, you are from which caste. All four castes are the same for the tribals. The caste high and low between the castes are hindus permutations and combinations. For anyone who are outside the caste for them it hardly matters. Tribals fought their own battles. British India is replete with tribal revolts. The first major armed tribal revolt was the Santhal rebellion of 1855 before the 1857 revolt. Caste people or so called Rajputs did not fight for them. Tribals never accepted the subjugation of outsiders unlike others. Tribals are king of forest and have proud ancestry, but don't discriminate people in terms of high and low. Why should tribe accept Hinduism and brand itself with caste identity where he will loose his self respect?
Buddha was not a Hindu. There was no Hindu word before 1800. The history of India before Muslims invasion took place was nothing but the fight between Brahmanism and Buddhism.
The minute you use terms like "Brahmanism" it is clear you have a colonized mind. Do you study the history of Europe as struggle between Paganism and Vaticanism?
no "Hindu" word prior to 1800 ? Heard of Kabir? Here's one of his popular verses : _Hindu kahe mohe Raam pyare Musalman Rahmana, Aapas mein dou lad mare maram koi na jaana_
Kya Fhek rhe ho bai,,,we tribal living in North East eat cows/pigs/dogs as a local cuisine?!!,,it's against every major religious beliefs!!, genetically ,culturally,linguistically we don't believe in Hindu/Brahmanical beliefs!!,,, every society was once tibal in nature in antiquity,but as we progress , society changes with time and gain different beliefs...I believe we all are Monkey!!,,,,, Africa is our home??,,
Tribal call themselves hindu, bcz their is no specific option for them and they don't find no suitable religion other than hindu. So they have to forcefully choose the option hindu as their religion. And this is all rss BJP propogonda , Jo unhe jabardasti hindu banane par tule huye h., Thik Vese ,jese ki ye sarkar kisano ko crorepati banane par jabardasti tuli huyi h. But , aaj adivasi samaj jaag Chuka , aur ab aag lagi h, to door Tak felegi, aur apna adhikar leke rahegi.
Tribals are not hindus nor they are Christians, they have their own indic culture and they were mostly non-aryans were called malechas by the vedic aryans. Let them have their own culture dont impose your religious beliefs on them, both hindus and Christian missionaries should stop this conversion and imposition thing
@officialpeeinghuman 2.0 abe chaman.... ha ha ha .... tell this economic deprivation tale to someone else.... such kink you have to call brahmins oppressed! ab mera muh mat khulwa... ek toh pehle se hi fake account se reply kar raha hai. go get some sleep zandu
@@collectingh1379 What is this vitriol against a community? Such deep seated hatred so that you can blame all your problems on someone else? The very fact you have such contempt is indication of your own mindset. Try the same attitude with islam or christianity and lets see what the world labels you.
Adivasis CANNOT be called Hindus at all. It is for this precise reason that the Constitution of India recognises them as “ Scheduled Tribes” ie, a community/ group distinct from Hindus / Muslims / Sikhs/ Buddhists/ Christians. I see that a few of the answers here have confused the issue by stating that Hindu is a geographical marker and therefore ST are Hindu. Yes it definitely WAS a geographical marker when the word Hindu was coined around 2000 years ago. However for the last at least 500 years a “tribal” identity has been recognised in India as separate from the Hindu caste system. I come from Udaipur in Rajasthan. The city is surrounded by tribal areas/ districts. The difference in beliefs , customs and rituals of the ST and Hindus is very clear. The ST do not follow Hinduism. Traditional Hindu society itself does not consider them to be a part of any of the 4 castes. To quote from another answer of mine on Quora, the important points on which ST/ Adivasi faith differs from Hinduism: Fire is not considered a sacred element as it is in Hinduism, There is no belief in rebirth Vedic/ Puranic gods are not worshipped or not considered important Author : - Ajay Joshi , studied at Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad
I'm bheel from Udaipur, our ancestors are following sanatan sanskriti from centuries. We believe shiva as our aaradhya dev. Missionaries people who are connected to some political party are trying to fool tribals. So please don't try to spoil our culture as you spoiled jharkhand and chattisgarh.
@@mastramsoren7970 illogical debate..!! Sanatan sanskriti/Hinduism is not a group of 1 society. Its a group of 100s of societies and each society has different culture and rituals.
There are significant number of Adivasies who do not wish or like to be recognised / identified as hindues (other than converted or diverted Tribes / Adivasies). Also there are several documentary evidence stating Adivasies are not Hindu / not Muslim / not Sikh / not Christian / not Jain / not Parsi (until & unless they get converted or diverted) ..In this secular country Adivasies have every right to be recognised as they wish (Indian constitution allows this, even though some religious based & biased may not allow this constitutional right to be alloted to them easily)
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Awesome. It's always pleasure to hear Mr. Shrikant Talegiri. He made immense contribution in exposing fake AIT.
He did! Share the video as widely as possible. It needs to reach as many eyes and ears as possible, in the fight for Dharma.
Talageri not only demolishes AIT or AMT but also presents the strongest argument for Out of India theory.
Shut up
The sarna group and other are in very danger from Christian missionary the hindu population should help them to get basic facilities because they convert due Christian missionary provide money to them
Lol we feel more threatened from those who are hell bent on including us in their Hindu propaganda motives. Our culture and tradition is way different from yours.
BTW I am sarna and I still waiting for those missionaries to send me some cash. I won't change my religion but I would like to have an option. If you know some feel free to reach out anytime.
@@Neha-vj2ec forget abt hinduism if u convert to this semitic fold of abrahamic religion u r yourself destroying the cults of singbonga ,jaheraho marangburu. Organise your religion and faith of your gods then of sarna gods otherise both Christians and hindus you have your own identity. After all sarna is india born faith. But u dont because u can sell your identity of faith for money and convert in the name of god of arab israel world of semitic dessert, that time your sense of ethnic idenity goes to shithole dnt even think that god of abraham falsify other gods including singbonga, marangburu jaheraho all. U dnt even have pride of your own gods and start bootlicking of padris for money. U have anger over hinduism which also born in india like sarna like jainism buddhism sikhism but no problem with jealous god of semitic dessert. Dubious greedy Shameless ......ricebag converts.
I have seen your vid u like Bernie Sanders now i understand u r loony left. So u pretend to be a sarna u r actually christislamic-communist. But your Bernie is out of race and his two babes including ilan who married to her brother cant save him.
@@125bbna8 Firstly my comment was more from personal experience and it was directed towards the person who assumed tribal culture is threatened only & only by abrahamic religons. I hope you are aware we the tribal people are demanding are our own sarna code cause we are tired of identity assumption & being labelled as something we are not. But i guess you are very clear that i am pretending to be sarna and spewing hatred towards hinduism (guess you are one of those hindutava khatre mein hain chap and take everything said as an attack to hinduism). FYI I do not have any problem with any religon. Secondly, If you read my previous comment I never said i will change the religon i was born to but you are still calling me things in your comment. I wont deny the fact that some people change their religon out of greed but then you cannot deny there are also people who convert because of some calling or whatever that is. People have every right to convert on their own (not forceful). Lastly it is hilarious of you to assume that i am leftist and bernie fan. I hope you know not everything is about labels. I also wish someday you will see me liking the videos of shapiro, crowder, kirk, breitbart, andrew yang, AOC etc and not try to label everything.
@@Neha-vj2ec Absolutely true!
I love him and his work. I am also learning Sanskrit now.
10p
Thank you for such a brilliant work Shrikantji...
The Christian population percentage of the north east tribal states is really alarming and shocking!!! Especially their growth rates in these areas. The government must take strong steps to counter this demographic change!!
Why is it alarming? We follow Jesus Christ and all humans are equals.
@@rusoviljohn2637 loss of culture loss of identity.
@@rusoviljohn2637 Cultural erasure is something we care about. Culture is important, you false dogma isn't.
Epiphany, Jesus didn't exist.
@@naiyayika a culture that promotes xenophobia?
@@trolllovindaddyIt's false that our culture promotes xenophobia...... We've always been welcoming to all the cultures and people that came from outside......
It's just that we have always been cheated by them and our generosity has always been taken for granted..... The country has been looted, People killed, cultural heritage destroyed, temples sabotaged, Scriptures corrupted, forests denuded..... So the thing that you call xenophobia is just a product of humiliation the natives of this land have faced.......
According to Sri CHANDRASEKARENDRA SARASWATHI the the 68th Peetahthipathi of Sankara Math in Kanchi, established by Adi Sankara all those who have not declared themselves as Christians, Muslims and Jews are Hindus
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Thank you Shrikant Ji ... wonderful work
hindus aka sanatana dharma aka all ancient bharata people
Awesome explanation. Great work sir. 🙏
‘Gotra system’ of our ancient India, which still exists is the people’s indexing system of our modern times. Entire Hindus of our India are the offsprings of Sapta Rushis of our ancient times. Thus Hindus are aboriginals or native ancient Hindu tribes. All others are non Hindus or foreigners in India. Census can be constructed on these grounds. Genetical studies can be done for the reconstruction of our demografic statistics.
Exactly brother, i am from Schedule tribe category but we have Gotra as similar to one of my friend upper castes from bihar.
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Top stuff. As he says Aboriginal term is irrelevant to Bharat. All people are originald
When Britishers were their "Animist" column used to be there for the Tribals to select it as an option. Now it is not anymore in Census then Tribals fill in Hindu as religion (It is not by choice) as Talageri mentions...Presenting the information as suited for his theory...Almost every Tribe have animistic religion doesn't mean they are Hindu
Thats exactly what modern day hinduism is. Animism naturism etc.
@equinox So what!!! If you and Talageri is wrong. How does my identity matter? Truth is what I said. Tribals in India doesn't come under Hindus by default. Check the Constitution.
Sam the discussion is not wether tribals are Hindus or not, the main discussion is refuting aryan invasion theory, let me tell you something INDIA has for centuries been a urban country infact Indians for centuries have been migrating from one place to another, what Talgiri sir told is so true about people migrating from one place to another so a subsection of society which was localised and people who lived in forests ( vanvasis) are considered adivasis and even many adivasis have been respected such that even sanyasis have worked for welfare of vanvasis .
@@mauktikkul6845 The title of video is "Are Indian Tribals Hindu", so I think it is the main topic of discussion. Indian Tribals are not Hindus, that is what I am telling.
This topic and AIT are two different things.
@@samdsouza1700 Hindu is not a religion....Thow away ur abrahamic glasses 1st and thn try to understand
How you force an educated tribals to practice a particular religion? Leave it on them ? Who conducted actual rituals of Hindu festivals is it Tribals themselves or by Brahmans in tribal regions?
Great speech. Hinduism I have been told is an amalgamation of all Indian religions. It reminds me of African indigenous religion, which is labeled as animism like the religion of the Tribals in India. Shinto religion of Japan also seems similar to both religious cultures.
Yes.. it's shocking to think of the number of ancient religions that have vanished in the last few centuries across the world!
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Namaste amazing talk
Hindutwa means Bharatiya
*See some facts* 👉
Indus river = Shindu river se S'hindu se Bana hindu (hindu)
Jaise
Indian ocean = hind Mahasagar
Se bana Hindustan all is Indian continents
*Hindu is not religion it's a geographical/ cultural identity*
Hindu yeh majhab(उपासना पद्धति) nahi ye bhaugolic (भौगोलिक /सांस्कृतिक) pahachan hai
To hamare aur (mere pyare bhai) aapke purkhe ek hi hai we are from one family
Aap Arab ya Turkey se aaye huye dakait/ lutere / chor- uchakke / akrantaye/aatankwadi / Terrorist/ Dahashatgard nahi ho
Pahchano aapne aap Ko
💕🇮🇳👍
Bha(भा)= light प्रकाश
Rat (रत)= to spread फैलानेवाला
*Means he spreads light (knowledge) whole over the world 🌏* it's Hindustan 🇮🇳💕👍
*India koi Aasman se tapka hua nam nahi Indian ocean se aur indus river se nam ayya India.*
*Our well developed culture says whole world 💞is our family 🌏*
Not a single culture in the world 🌏 who capable to say this
*"☝ one word 🌏 Family 💞"*
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Not mix tribals in to Hindus or Christianity we have our own identity
Yes. Tribals have been given a distinct identity by the Indian law for providing them special facilities for their development. But that identity is within the Hindu fold.
You don't know anything about tribals of India. All tribals are different on faith and religion don't tell all tribals are hindus
@@ramang5400 This is the most stupidest Thing I have ever heard ! Better go Check the history . We tribals had nothing to with yo Religion .
@@ramang5400it's not
Jai hindu ekta
at 38.00, Meghalaya state is repeated. I think the last one is actually mizoram. Please correct it.
Advice to hindus from tribal destroy caste system so we can unite under one banner
Let's stop this kind of discussion when it is viewed from the religious point of view . The people living in forests are the defeated people. They were called Pishacha in the past Gunadhya wrote Brihatkatha in Pishachi language . Later on , it was translated into Sanskrit by Somdev . The title is Kathasaritsagara . Dandin , while classifying languages , named the language of the defeated forest people Bhoot Bhasha .
Everyone living in india is a defeated people lol
This so-called Hindu majority is a myth!! We're a bunch of different jatis combined together and given this name.. It's time to decimate this concept of minority religions and stop giving them special privileges in the name of religion..
Krishna Bhat that would fracture Hindu civilizational unity. Rather than classify Hindus as congregation of religious minorities, let the 'majority' be 'majority' while not extending any special privileges to 'minority' religions.
Big Guy Yes, I agree. Dividing Hindus was not my intention. But the very fact that Hinduism is so diverse within itself shows that there are no minorities in this country.. On the contrary, the so-called minorities have a united front!! So yes, I second your opinion. Special privileges only based on minority/majority is not required.. Rather than considering religion, economic or regional (like rural areas) backwardness maybe taken as criteria..
Most of the minority facilities are illegally provided for political gain.
Buodh, Jain, Sikh are not seperate identity but they saw muslim even being more in population, to be benifitted, they demanded minority status for them. That is why now Lingait claimed minority status.
The main problem is basis of minority status has not been defined in constitution. The vote bank policy kept muslims focused. Now question has been raised that Hindus being lesser in 8 states are being treated as majority and are being denied of minority benifit and mojority religeous groups in those states are getting minority benifit which doesnot look rationale. Again up to what % of a population shoud be granted minority status. Muslims even being 14-18% in country basis are given minority status. Is that rational?
Now it has to be desided by Supreme Court. I am not informed what is the latest position.
Once % and geographical basis is desided much of the problem will be solved.
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I was of the opinion from the introduction of the speaker that I would come to know something informative but I am utterly disappointed. I am so disappointed that I stopped watching the video after 9.31. The video opens with the classification of 'Hindus' according to the Constitution as per the speaker. What he is citing as reference is basically the 'Hindu Marriage Act' of 1955. When you are defining a religion on the basis of Constitution or an Act you must remember it is for the legal purposes. In which case though the person may not be of 'Hindu' religion (may be Sikh/Buddhist) but this particular law will be applicable to him/her. Secondly he is kind of endorsing by quoting British ethnographers/administrators the idea that-"the entire Indian society is animistic". With the magnificent pillars of deep philosophy in Hinduism do you really feel Hinduism is nothing more than 'Animism'? Or there is no sharp distinction between Hinduism and Animism, as Herbert Hisley says? While framing a faulty framework the speaker forgot that there is no person by the name Herbert Hisley it is actually Herbert Hope Risley. I know why this kind of mistake happens, this happens when you are desperately looking trying to cherry pick lines quoted by someone, without knowing anything about his work except a one line introduction.
Sumit Soren u came to know something “informative” as an something that u alrdy agree with and he clearly didn’t give it to u. Atleast u should have finished the video n then left ur comment
Thr constitution was a continuation of British laws. They termed all non Christians, non Muslims et al as Hindus. So trials have no choice. They don't belong to Hindus in the strict sense. Basava removed himself from Hindu cult to form a separate religion and to this day Lingayats are fighting for a separate religion. Does the Ghar wapsi programe promise all trials coming back be kept equal to higher caste of Hindus or just to their 'respect' position. Conversion may be a poison, but these upper class Hindus are only shedding crocodile tears. They will not do anything useful to tribals. In TN, many say their faith is not Hindu and their gods been usurped by caste Hindus like Murugan, Valli, Shiva (vedam mentions about Rudra only), Kottravai, Karuppu etc. It is unlikely the present dispensation wd do anything useful to tribals except treating them as Hindu vote banks.
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you are right i come from Santhali tribe in west bengal , and we worship shiva and pavati (Marangburu and jaherawo) and in our culture fire is sacred as in sanatan dharm. the comments are full of buthurt people who want to divide India ................
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A lot of migrations did take place into India you need to understand that, the tribals have lived here before the times of the caste system and have their own culture, beliefs that may have some common elements with "Hinduism" as Hinduism absorbed some of their beliefs and vice versa over centuries.
You can't really equate Sanatan Dharma with tribal religion and Hinduism practiced in different parts of India, Hinduism itself is not a religion but something that was formed over a long period of time due to mixing of beliefs (both peacefully and agressively) .
Us Brahmins cannot comment on what is good for tribals or what is not, they have the right to protect their own beliefs from both the RSS as well as other missionaries.
This is nonsense. It is for tribals to define who they are. Nobody else has the right to tell tribals who they are.
@Antares what do you know about culture of tribals?
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In reference ruclips.net/video/d21XnNqXySg/видео.html to local religions that of Manipur being followed by Meitei jati. One must see the development of the so-called native religion. It is a religion on paper, manufactured on lies and deception. It is anti-Hinduism. Hinduism packaged with different name. But anti-Hindu to begin with. I have made a video on this. Soon add more.
I did not expect this from him. He is not mentioning one fact that hindu in a religion sense emerged only in 19th century. Al beruni's Al hind means what? Religion or place?
Hmmm. I live in Australia and know some of the Aboriginal communities well. I've also spent some time with various Adivasi groups in India. This all sounds a little biased towards Hindus to me. Here in Australia, many Aboriginal people Identity as Christians, but that is because of the historical social forces surrounding them.
Hmmm.....you sound like a typical moron westerner. You asshats in Australia destroyed the Aboriginals, their lives, their livelihoods, took their lands, murdered them in Australia and converted them FORCEFULLY to Christianity, how typical of a bunch of criminal penal colonists.
Everyone in Bharat is Hindu. It's a cultural national term. All polytheist idolators or animists whose philosophy is original to Bharat, they are Hindu.
So Rama Krishna and ma kali are outsiders.
for tribals hindu means lower caste and thy will b treated nt equally so bttr thy sud accept Christian or buddhism or anythng ehr there is no csste system
Indians are we tribals. Hindus. You mean sindhus. Then yes.
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Shrikant ji, You keep using the term "tribal" it's same in the same context as adivasi. Derogatory term similar to jungali. Please realize if you want to avoid a term for being negative you don't want to use another negative term created by outsiders. It's defeating the purpose of what your trying to present here.
In my writings on Vedic history, I refer to the Purus (the Vedic Aryans) and other people as "tribes". The word "tribe" is not a negative word. All castes were "tribes" to begin with till urban civilization made most of the tribes into castes within the varnavyavastha. Those who remained in isolated areas (hills, forests, coastal villages) continued to be "tribes". If you are drawing a distinction between "tribe" and "tribal", I did not think of it in that sense.
As I said above, in the context of their particular areas being sought nowadays to be stolen from them in the name of "development", even the word adivasi is acceptable so far as those particular areas are concerned.
Shrikant Talageri Shrikant Talageri the word tribal is synonymous with jungli, that would be translation in Hindi. Meaning people who live in mountains, and forests away from the "industrialized" world. They are farmers, woodcutters and work and business thats is suited in those areas. Now to refer to them as jungali /"tribal" is derogatory. I dont think they consider themselves jungali/tribal and I dont think others should either. You referred people in Manipur , Nagaland, and Mirozam, Meghaliya, and Arunanchal as "purely tribal" /"poora jungli"which I dont think they refer to themselves as that. It's calling their way of living primitive. In that case every farmer in the world is a tribal. I dont think farmers would appreciate that and therefore its unfair to call someone tribal on basis of their way of living. I have met the people of Assam the so called tribal and they dont call themselves that. I know the argument you are making with people who are easily converted to Christianity but to call them jungali/tribal in today's context is unwarranted.
"Van" means "jangal", so the RSS word "vanwasi" also means "jangli" according to you. The framers of the constitution, by talking about scheduled "tribes", also branded them as "jangli" according to you. What a very clever way to divert attention from the subject of the talk! I am sorry, I cannot play this game with you.
Shrikant Talageri Shrikant ji its not a game. I enjoy your talks and understand your point and I'm not diverting anything. I'm pointing out that calling someone jungali weather with a word Tribal or Vanwasi or Adivasi is not a pleasant label. You may disagree but you should open up to the fact that such words are demeaning to certain people. There's no reason for you to get upset and its ok to have a conversation so we can both learn from one another or at least understand other points of view.
@@killoreo it's not synonymous. Tribal just means belonging to a tribe. There are tribes all over the world. Amazonian tribes, arab tribes, native American tribes etc. Native Americans are very proud their tribes. A tribe is a type of social division.
hindu is not religion. hindu is one who lives or was born in hind.
So a beef eater born in Hind is a Hindu?
@@jorgerafaelvidela4479 yess ...even of u eat pork and dog
And what has allah made haram for u
@@benefactor4309 So you're saying that a beef eater is a Hindu?
@@jorgerafaelvidela4479 yup they are
@@innocentgirl4169 No they aren't
Advashi are not hindu
No coherence
Tribes are not hindus. Tribes are homogeneous community. All tribes have distinct culture and language. There is no dirty caste structure in their society. Hinduism's main pillar is the caste, the four varnas. Only Brahmin performs puja in Sanskrit. In tribal society its own tribal headman performs puja, in his own tribal language, which is Sacrosanct, not Sanskrit. Tribes are Nature worshippers, not idol worshippers. Tribals treat caste people as outsiders. Santhals call outsiders as dikkus. For a tribe it hardly matters, you are from which caste. All four castes are the same for the tribals. The caste high and low between the castes are hindus permutations and combinations. For anyone who are outside the caste for them it hardly matters. Tribals fought their own battles. British India is replete with tribal revolts. The first major armed tribal revolt was the Santhal rebellion of 1855 before the 1857 revolt. Caste people or so called Rajputs did not fight for them. Tribals never accepted the subjugation of outsiders unlike others. Tribals are king of forest and have proud ancestry, but don't discriminate people in terms of high and low. Why should tribe accept Hinduism and brand itself with caste identity where he will loose his self respect?
Buddha was not a Hindu. There was no Hindu word before 1800. The history of India before Muslims invasion took place was nothing but the fight between Brahmanism and Buddhism.
The minute you use terms like "Brahmanism" it is clear you have a colonized mind. Do you study the history of Europe as struggle between Paganism and Vaticanism?
no "Hindu" word prior to 1800 ? Heard of Kabir? Here's one of his popular verses : _Hindu kahe mohe Raam pyare Musalman Rahmana, Aapas mein dou lad mare maram koi na jaana_
@@vijnanabandhu2167 Hindu Word Also Comes In Vijaynagara Empire times.
@@pratham5719 "Hindupati" was a common honorific name attached to Indian rulers.
Hindu is what persians called indians in general and the word in as old as 2500 yrs.
Kya Fhek rhe ho bai,,,we tribal living in North East eat cows/pigs/dogs as a local cuisine?!!,,it's against every major religious beliefs!!, genetically ,culturally,linguistically we don't believe in Hindu/Brahmanical beliefs!!,,, every society was once tibal in nature in antiquity,but as we progress , society changes with time and gain different beliefs...I believe we all are Monkey!!,,,,, Africa is our home??,,
Brahman bideshi hai proved by DNA test
Achha ye kya hota hai
Tribal call themselves hindu, bcz their is no specific option for them and they don't find no suitable religion other than hindu.
So they have to forcefully choose the option hindu as their religion.
And this is all rss BJP propogonda , Jo unhe jabardasti hindu banane par tule huye h.,
Thik Vese ,jese ki ye sarkar kisano ko crorepati banane par jabardasti tuli huyi h.
But , aaj adivasi samaj jaag Chuka , aur ab aag lagi h, to door Tak felegi, aur apna adhikar leke rahegi.
Tribals are not hindus nor they are Christians, they have their own indic culture and they were mostly non-aryans were called malechas by the vedic aryans. Let them have their own culture dont impose your religious beliefs on them, both hindus and Christian missionaries should stop this conversion and imposition thing
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@officialpeeinghuman 2.0 lol... kahase laate ho itna merit
@officialpeeinghuman 2.0 abe chaman.... ha ha ha .... tell this economic deprivation tale to someone else.... such kink you have to call brahmins oppressed!
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@Aditya Kumar Pandey tum to rehno do pandey ji...
@@collectingh1379 What is this vitriol against a community? Such deep seated hatred so that you can blame all your problems on someone else? The very fact you have such contempt is indication of your own mindset.
Try the same attitude with islam or christianity and lets see what the world labels you.
@@vakarthi4 go read history kid. don't write here arguments.
Adivasis CANNOT be called Hindus at all. It is for this precise reason that the Constitution of India recognises them as “ Scheduled Tribes” ie, a community/ group distinct from Hindus / Muslims / Sikhs/ Buddhists/ Christians.
I see that a few of the answers here have confused the issue by stating that Hindu is a geographical marker and therefore ST are Hindu. Yes it definitely WAS a geographical marker when the word Hindu was coined around 2000 years ago. However for the last at least 500 years a “tribal” identity has been recognised in India as separate from the Hindu caste system.
I come from Udaipur in Rajasthan. The city is surrounded by tribal areas/ districts. The difference in beliefs , customs and rituals of the ST and Hindus is very clear. The ST do not follow Hinduism. Traditional Hindu society itself does not consider them to be a part of any of the 4 castes.
To quote from another answer of mine on Quora, the important points on which ST/ Adivasi faith differs from Hinduism:
Fire is not considered a sacred element as it is in Hinduism,
There is no belief in rebirth
Vedic/ Puranic gods are not worshipped or not considered important
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I'm bheel from Udaipur, our ancestors are following sanatan sanskriti from centuries.
We believe shiva as our aaradhya dev.
Missionaries people who are connected to some political party are trying to fool tribals.
So please don't try to spoil our culture as you spoiled jharkhand and chattisgarh.
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@@mastramsoren7970 illogical debate..!!
Sanatan sanskriti/Hinduism is not a group of 1 society.
Its a group of 100s of societies and each society has different culture and rituals.
There are significant number of Adivasies who do not wish or like to be recognised / identified as hindues (other than converted or diverted Tribes / Adivasies). Also there are several documentary evidence stating Adivasies are not Hindu / not Muslim / not Sikh / not Christian / not Jain / not Parsi (until & unless they get converted or diverted) ..In this secular country Adivasies have every right to be recognised as they wish (Indian constitution allows this, even though some religious based & biased may not allow this constitutional right to be alloted to them easily)