Can You Make Magnets Orbit Each Other?

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  • Опубликовано: 8 май 2021
  • In this video I check if it is possible to put magnets in orbit from the magnetic field as opposed to the gravitational field.
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  • @TheWdupp
    @TheWdupp 3 года назад +2954

    For the people wondering which software he used to simulate the orbits: it's called Universe Sandbox

    • @saims.2402
      @saims.2402 3 года назад +96

      Oh I used to watch videos of this guy playing around in with that software, he called it a game tho.

    • @JjMn1000
      @JjMn1000 3 года назад +16

      Already knew

    • @ismahelo
      @ismahelo 3 года назад +11

      Glad to hear that 🤝

    • @sakshamk4009
      @sakshamk4009 3 года назад +7

      Thanks

    • @tswan137
      @tswan137 3 года назад +131

      @@saims.2402 Universe Sandbox is a game. Space Engine is the superior simulation engine. It's also on steam though lol

  • @redghost001
    @redghost001 3 года назад +1771

    You know that things are really interesting when he says "Holy cow" 😂

  • @mathtonight1084
    @mathtonight1084 2 года назад +336

    I just LOVE it when there is a concise and straight-forward mathematical answer for questions like this. I had no idea that force-distance scaling had such a deterministic effect on forming stable orbits, that's interesting as heck.

    • @jromero925ify
      @jromero925ify 2 года назад +6

      Yes very hecky

    • @eleSDSU
      @eleSDSU 2 года назад +6

      Just say "hell" or "fuck" :)

    • @prettyrat.
      @prettyrat. 2 года назад +11

      @@eleSDSU or they won’t? lmao you still understood them

    • @Zorro9129
      @Zorro9129 2 года назад +10

      @@eleSDSU Not everyone is vulgar.

    • @gIokk
      @gIokk Год назад

      @@eleSDSU shut up

  • @chillinvillin
    @chillinvillin 2 года назад +129

    This guy and NileRed are my two favorite sciencey guys. . .
    I know NileRed is more chemistry while Action Lab is more physics, but as a lesser-nerd I group them together in the "sciencey" category. Found NR through making bismuth from antacid tablets and making transparent wood, and I found AL through the simulation of slowing down the speed of light to "walking speed" and have been hooked on them both ever since.

    • @shebahammy
      @shebahammy Год назад +2

      🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

    • @carstenanand3115
      @carstenanand3115 Год назад +9

      now we need to find a biology channel and the trinity of science channels is complete

    • @rakhuramai
      @rakhuramai Год назад

      @@carstenanand3115 yay

    • @spocite
      @spocite Год назад +7

      @@shebahammy no way you just went on a science channel and commented the nerd emoji

    • @edwardvgarrick8748
      @edwardvgarrick8748 Год назад

      @@carstenanand3115maybe trey the explainer?

  • @glarynth
    @glarynth 3 года назад +682

    Action Lab: "centrifugal"
    Me: makes popcorn and scrolls down

    • @glarynth
      @glarynth 3 года назад +60

      @@395leandro It's funny when people claim something doesn't exist and then go on to describe what it is.

    • @glarynth
      @glarynth 3 года назад +46

      @@395leandro Gravity emerges from objects following geodesics in spacetime. That doesn't mean gravity doesn't exist.
      *[popcorn intensifies]*

    • @geniusgamer3840
      @geniusgamer3840 3 года назад +13

      @@glarynth Any extra popcorn left?

    • @johnjordan3552
      @johnjordan3552 3 года назад +7

      @@glarynth can I have some?

    • @Jennifer-ri9nc
      @Jennifer-ri9nc 3 года назад +2

      well actually........

  • @pawankhanal8472
    @pawankhanal8472 3 года назад +726

    Centrifugal force
    Vsauce : or is it ? Centripetal in different frame of reference

    • @BloopSuperJuice
      @BloopSuperJuice 3 года назад +1

      Dunnnn

    • @bubble1766
      @bubble1766 3 года назад +4

      Vsause is... Kinda... Vsause.

    • @JKTCGMV13
      @JKTCGMV13 3 года назад +62

      Yeah his opening talk about forces was pretty subpar.

    • @pronounjow
      @pronounjow 3 года назад +49

      No, it's inertia, or the tendency to stay in motion at the same velocity until an external force is applied.

    • @breadone_
      @breadone_ 3 года назад +44

      @@pronounjow yeah exactly, no centrifugal force

  • @simopelle
    @simopelle 3 года назад +57

    Small correction: centrifugal force is actually an apparent force.
    What's keeping a planet in orbit is the fact that the force of gravity is acting perpendicularly to the planet's inertial vector.

    • @RobinClaassen
      @RobinClaassen 2 года назад +18

      If we're going to make that correction, we should also point out that gravity is not a force either. It's an effect caused by acceleration, which can be produced by mass warping time-space, or by an or an object changing its speed.

    • @yourfellowhomosapien5448
      @yourfellowhomosapien5448 2 года назад +1

      Smart people out here

    • @RobinClaassen
      @RobinClaassen 2 года назад +3

      @@yourfellowhomosapien5448 I love your username!

    • @WeirdBrainGoo
      @WeirdBrainGoo Год назад +1

      THANKYOU.gif

    • @katharinas6899
      @katharinas6899 Год назад +3

      @@RobinClaassen If you're going to say it's not a force, you should point out that all fundamental forces are emergent forces like gravity, and it's perfectly fine to call it a force - especially in a video aimed at an audience that requires an explanation of an orbit.

  • @7deepbreaths.sounds
    @7deepbreaths.sounds 3 года назад +52

    Thank you for your Action Lab shorts. Your work is enlightening and fun to watch. I am a musician who has always been interested in Science and I find your channel to be excellent.

  • @marialiyubman
    @marialiyubman 3 года назад +177

    Action lab, “balls in space”- sequel.

  • @shariqkhan9489
    @shariqkhan9489 3 года назад +351

    This guy is amazingly amazing

  • @BierBart12
    @BierBart12 2 года назад +20

    This man just casually made the best simple explanation for why photons are both seen as waves and particles I've ever heard

  • @joshuasoule4886
    @joshuasoule4886 3 года назад +10

    You’re a genius and you make science interesting. Like Bill Nye used to when I was a kid

  • @sylvainchenal5225
    @sylvainchenal5225 3 года назад +51

    Yo i finally understood how the Moon started orbiting the Earth, the 50 golf ball was a perfect example!

    • @Max11legoPlays
      @Max11legoPlays 3 года назад +11

      @@gregoryford2532 it was a small planet that collided with earth and made a bunch of debris that all clumped up and eventually formed the moon

    • @MultiPleaser
      @MultiPleaser 2 года назад +2

      For some reason, astroniners say that it's much less kujemy that Earth captured a passing Moon. It's far more likely that the Moon firned from an impact between Priti Eartg and Theia, which was a Mars sized planet.
      When Apollo missions gathered enough rocks on the Moon's surface, these proved that the Moon was made of Earth's crust, which was tossed into orbit during the collision with Theia
      And Theia's core went down into Earth's core. Or mantle. Geologists have found two humongous blobs in Earth's mantle that they suspect is Theia, after being torn in half.

    • @jaysant6958
      @jaysant6958 4 месяца назад

      Does this work for the earth orbiting the Sun too?

  • @sohopedeco
    @sohopedeco 3 года назад +199

    I'm amazed that two golf balls turn into a larger golf ball when they touch. 😅

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 3 года назад +61

      That's a well known of effect, and is the reason space-golf isn't very interesting.

    • @joanguimaraescastro
      @joanguimaraescastro 3 года назад +6

      That's in Universe Sandbox.

    • @karlkastor
      @karlkastor 3 года назад +15

      @@tonyennis1787 space-golf is a real thing. Alan Shepard played golf on the moon and Mikhail Tyurin on the outside of the ISS.

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 3 года назад +6

      @@karlkastor yeah but they go no corporate sponsorship

    • @karlkastor
      @karlkastor 3 года назад +3

      @@tonyennis1787 Actually Mikhail Tyurin was sponsored by the golf company Element 21

  • @SusDoctor
    @SusDoctor 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love how quickly the question was answered

  • @robertfleischmann4119
    @robertfleischmann4119 3 года назад +3

    The same concept was done years ago on the Space Shuttle. Instead of pure magnetism though, they used static electricity. I believe it was a water droplet orbiting around a statically charged plastic rod.

  • @jerry3790
    @jerry3790 3 года назад +51

    As far as I know there is no centrifugal force acting on objects in orbit, otherwise they wouldn’t accelerate. Gravity is the only force involved in orbits.

    • @dhanush5587
      @dhanush5587 3 года назад +2

      If gravity only involved then moon will collide earth. If it is not centrifugal force it may be other force. I'm dame sure that 2 forces are involved

    • @ncedwards1234
      @ncedwards1234 3 года назад +31

      @@dhanush5587 Don't be so sure m8. Force means acceleration, but acceleration doesn't mean a change in velocity. If an object went in a straight line and was accelerated in that direction, then it would speed up, BUT in the case of planetary orbits the acceleration is only the change in the velocities direction without affecting the magnitude of the velocity. Vectors and whatnot.

    • @robertulrich3964
      @robertulrich3964 3 года назад +10

      centrifugal is kinda of a misnomer. what actually is happening is the moment of inertia is constantly changing from angular to circular.

    • @rainbowevil
      @rainbowevil 3 года назад +17

      @@dhanush5587 this is false, what prevents the collision is the velocity perpendicular to the gravitational force - if this wasn’t present it would collide, but orbits will have this velocity.

    • @jetison333
      @jetison333 3 года назад +7

      if your in a rotating reference frame then there will be centrifugal forces, and that will cause a planet to appear to not accelerate or move at all given a circular orbit. But you have to remember that the reference frame is still rotating, which means in a stationary frame the planet will be rotating.

  • @sohopedeco
    @sohopedeco 3 года назад +144

    Whenever James proposes a crazy experiment, my bet is that he's going to pull it off somehow. Besides this one, I can only remember the fixing plates with milk and that burning paper with a mangnifying glass by the moonlight as the ones he proved the trick to be impossible.

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich 3 года назад

      Making a white hole in his kitchen didn't really work out either

    • @suprith-science1441
      @suprith-science1441 3 года назад +4

      @@StefanReich He didn't really make it though, his intention was to demonstrate it through the analogy of water

    • @DANGJOS
      @DANGJOS 3 года назад +1

      I didn't even know that was his name haha 😅

    • @nickd6725
      @nickd6725 3 года назад +3

      @@suprith-science1441 lmfao dude was disappointed that he didnt get to see an actual white hole

    • @esecallum
      @esecallum 3 года назад +1

      LOOK AT THESE TWO MAGNETS ORBITING EACH OTHER. NEW DISCOVERY !
      ruclips.net/video/LyvfDzRLsiU/видео.html

  • @BadAzzCustomDesigns
    @BadAzzCustomDesigns 2 года назад

    I love watching ur content. I always feel smarter afterwards. Keep doin what ur doin. 👏🏽

  • @charlesbromberick4247
    @charlesbromberick4247 2 года назад +2

    As an old physics major, I truly enjoy your videos and interesting selection of topcs.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 3 года назад +25

    You could still potentially have some sort of orbit as long as they are "tidally locked." I'm not sure if it would be stable considering that the magnets are attracted by an inverse cube law but it should work.

  • @mathiash3541
    @mathiash3541 3 года назад +147

    Yes a video of the action lab on my birthday lol!

    • @gorneth8313
      @gorneth8313 3 года назад +14

      happy birthday!

    • @dabswithnate
      @dabswithnate 3 года назад +12

      Happy birthday!!!

    • @mathiash3541
      @mathiash3541 3 года назад +7

      Thx!

    • @jonathanramiro100yearsago
      @jonathanramiro100yearsago 3 года назад +12

      You know when ever your birthday is arrived you life shorter right? I mean birthday is just reminder that your life is getting shorter every year
      Anyway HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

    • @MrAqr2598
      @MrAqr2598 3 года назад +4

      Happy Birthday🎊🎉🎂

  • @maskedmarvyl4774
    @maskedmarvyl4774 3 года назад +47

    Have you looked up inverter magnets? They're a combination of a ring of small neodymium magnets surrounding a large neodymium disc magnet. They prevent a magnet from escaping or getting too close. It's a quite expensive toy, but imagine a whole stack of them, with a magnet orbiting them. Just an idea.

    • @FDroid01
      @FDroid01 Год назад

      Pretty much what I think this is. :P
      The only real balance is entropy, or at least dissonant transduction i/e modulation of energy. I think without it... matter and all forces on it would resonate without interference, become a giant polarized mess, transductive media would become energetically resonant, and all matter would break down into energy - or at least some resonant balance I/e orbit between the two.
      My real question is, what is entropy? It seems to be what causes matter to transduce energy into forces that affect and are affected by it.
      So there must be a transducer of energy and matter, because matter would otherwise just polarize itself into a sort of energy-matter semiconductor consisting of the very base of what matter is. Some say hydrogen, some say quarks, some say strings of causal entanglement, and others say pure energy meaning nothing at all but space with or without potential I don't really know.
      But what is entropy? It turns energy into matter and can therefore turn matter into energy or is sisters with something that can.
      But how? Why? What even is it, which is a thing that creates matter out of pure space / energy / potential? And it or them that turn matter back into potential? How and why can it have the same rules at both the level of space and nothingness?
      I'm gonna short a fuse just thinking of this stuff huh?

    • @danielsieker9927
      @danielsieker9927 Год назад +4

      @@FDroid01 This just sounds like a bunch of buzzwords with no real understanding behind them.

    • @FDroid01
      @FDroid01 Год назад

      @@danielsieker9927 I did say I was gonna sblow a fuse just thinking about it xD

    • @autumn8215
      @autumn8215 Год назад

      ​@@danielsieker9927 how much dose it cost?

  • @cassandra5390
    @cassandra5390 3 года назад +2

    I think that would probably keep children more entertained than any toy out on the market right now!
    That's really cool!

  • @anventia
    @anventia 3 года назад +54

    I wonder how difficult it would be to set this up inside a vacuum chamber

    • @LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC.
      @LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC. 3 года назад

      Q: What if there was an exterior magnet the balanced the g force rotation around center magnet? 😁 Also my opinion on gravity is that exterior of planet earth is the condensed pressure on to earth pushing objects down that are not closest to its properties (likes attract) oil and water separate and decide position from great amount of mass of surround bring. Is this possible? Please explain. Thanks

    • @synical4
      @synical4 3 года назад +6

      @@LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC. I like your funny words, magic man

    • @starstencahl8985
      @starstencahl8985 3 года назад +3

      @@synical4 Don’t feel stupid, I have no idea what he tried to ask or tell us either, but it’s not because of the technicalities 🤔

    • @bullseye3767
      @bullseye3767 3 года назад

      @@LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC. dude for the first it would form a eclipse and the second one no

    • @sumthinfresh
      @sumthinfresh 3 года назад +1

      @@LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC. Earth is flat start there

  • @karlkastor
    @karlkastor 3 года назад +42

    Could you try an orbit with static electricity (on styrofoam balls) next? That should work, because they wouldn't have poles. Also in a cyclotron, electrons move in a circle in a magnetic field.

    • @orbismworldbuilding8428
      @orbismworldbuilding8428 2 года назад +2

      That might work, he has a vacuum chamber too which should account for air friction too

    • @bavidlynx3409
      @bavidlynx3409 2 года назад +1

      That is actually a super smart idea. I would love to check out this experiment

    • @littlegeek5159
      @littlegeek5159 2 года назад +1

      A cyclotron has an actively varying electric field. This is distinct from an orbit, in which each object's own force-field is static relative to itself.

  • @TROJEN420
    @TROJEN420 3 года назад +4

    Love the fact your using one of my favorite games to explain this one 07

  • @chairuwu4903
    @chairuwu4903 Год назад +2

    Work smarter, not harder! If a magnet was spinning, than stable orbits could be possible, because from the perspective of the other magnet, the body it's orbiting is a monopole (of course it really isn't, but in this situation it's close enough).

  • @hema.bhandari
    @hema.bhandari 3 года назад +68

    @TheActionLab, if you try to maintain the spinning/orbitting magnet in such a way that the magnet at rest is located at the focus of the elliptical orbit then it'll kinda orbit for much longer time. [Kepler's 1st law of planetary orbit].

    • @jameshines9253
      @jameshines9253 2 года назад +1

      Your comment should have gotten more comments! 👍👍

    • @Photops
      @Photops 2 года назад

      Thank you!!! I was getting frustrated 😵

  • @as-qh1qq
    @as-qh1qq 3 года назад +42

    Just a correction, a balance of force isn't needed for uniform circular motion ( the acceleration would be 0 then ), just an initial velocity. Do preamble that u were talking in the objects frame.

    • @mario_dc
      @mario_dc 3 года назад +3

      Exactly, it's the conservation of angular momentum what keeps things orbiting around a central body. Centripetal acceleration, caused by gravity, is what constantly bends the trajectory into an elliptical orbit.

    • @as-qh1qq
      @as-qh1qq 3 года назад +6

      @@mario_dc I guess u meant angular, linear isn't conserved - force acting

    • @a.y.102
      @a.y.102 3 года назад +11

      That's right. Centrifugal force is not a real force, it's only a force we define for convenience when we want to set the frame of reference that follows the rotating/revolving object. Even in that case, drawing the centrifugal force together with the ball moving in the same picture (0:55) is incorrect.

    • @as-qh1qq
      @as-qh1qq 3 года назад +2

      @@sakshamk4009 radial acceleration doesn't always lead to change in magnitude of radial velocity, circular motion case in point. So rdot stays zero, r stays const, rhat dot non zero.

    • @adiyaroy0
      @adiyaroy0 3 года назад +1

      **screams in confusion in 7th grader**

  • @freezegovan
    @freezegovan 3 года назад

    This low-key my favorite channel on RUclips

  • @Daniel-fv1ff
    @Daniel-fv1ff 2 года назад +1

    Inaccurate explanation of orbits in space

  • @RaubeR666
    @RaubeR666 3 года назад +16

    Nice experiment. What if you used a vacuum chamber and a string? Although it would be very hard to control. Maybe a magnet and a piece of metal would also be fine. And there are induced currents in metals... Then I wonder if it would be better to have many smaller separate pieces in a lump.

  • @ultimatefoodzone9577
    @ultimatefoodzone9577 3 года назад +5

    I always wonder what’s gonna b in the new video and you always surprises me with a good video packed with knowledge and information 👍🏻keep bringing new videos

  • @shakeesangwenya4927
    @shakeesangwenya4927 Год назад

    I love your experiments. They open eyes. They provoke some kind of thinking... They inspire. Thanks.

  • @jamiebrown1171
    @jamiebrown1171 3 года назад

    This chanel always answers my questions before i even question them

  • @saims.2402
    @saims.2402 3 года назад +48

    How are you able to come up with so many great ideas. You are truly a genius.

    • @math_the_why_behind
      @math_the_why_behind 3 года назад +2

      Ikr!

    • @JustangGT500
      @JustangGT500 3 года назад +4

      Genius?

    • @mayankkoli2300
      @mayankkoli2300 3 года назад +7

      @@JustangGT500 anything wrong in it?

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf 3 года назад +3

      I also wonder how he manages to make those videos - good ideas, but then he does not understand the physics and explains them wrong, yet still manages to make good experinments.
      @@mayankkoli2300 Yes - his entire explanation of the physics behind it. For planets there is only 1 force acting - gravity - and even that only if we look at it with newtonian physics. If there was a centrifugal force like he claims then NO objects could orbit each other as they would just fly past each other in straight lines.

    • @TheActionLab
      @TheActionLab  3 года назад +35

      @@ABaumstumpf Lol, Newton is the one that explained it this way in Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. In order for something to stay at the same radial distance, the object has to have an opposing force. Centrifugal force is the same way as saying that the object has to be moving quickly around in a circle. It is not wrong, it is a different reference frame.

  • @fn3200
    @fn3200 3 года назад +4

    In reality, to make two objects orbit each other you only need a centripetal force (centrifugal force is only the centripetal force observed from the point of view of the object that is orbiting). The reason why we only need one force (the centripetal one) is that in itself the object that is orbiting at any moment would like to travel in a uniform rectilinear motion (due to the principle of inertia), it is exactly the centripetal force that does not allow it, forcing it to follow a circular trajectory

    • @rainbowevil
      @rainbowevil 3 года назад +2

      Exactly, and if those 2 forces were balanced as he said in the video, it would travel in the linear path as you describe, which is clearly not an orbit!

    • @fn3200
      @fn3200 3 года назад

      @@rainbowevil yep, in reality centrifugal/centripetal force are just the same force observed (experienced in this case is better) by two different observers. Centrifugal is an apparent force.
      However I think he knows all of this but he used this (incorrect) example to describe in an easy and intuitive way the circular motion

  • @FewVidsJustComments
    @FewVidsJustComments Год назад

    Scribblenauts Unlimited: “hold my notebook”
    (If you give a magnetic ball the “throwable” adjective, and another, larger one the immovable adjective, and throw the smaller one towards the bigger one at the right angle, it can go around it a few times, and possibly more)

  • @sergiuszwinogrodzki6569
    @sergiuszwinogrodzki6569 2 года назад +2

    You could also say that in case of gravity all bodies are just moving forward, just in a curved spacetime.

  • @jaythejayzer
    @jaythejayzer 3 года назад +4

    colliding magnet spheres - "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"

  • @Znatnhos
    @Znatnhos 3 года назад +18

    You also introduced quite a few more forces with that magnetic orbiting setup. There is the spring force of the rod pulling the magnet back to center, plus the tension forces from gravity pulling on the mass. I honestly think you'd have had better luck passing the cylindrical magnet through a plane of plastic and rolling the original ball magnet around that. You'd still have the polarity of the ball magnet mess up the orbit, but I would think that would be less of a factor than the additional forces from the rod.

    • @truestopguardatruestop164
      @truestopguardatruestop164 2 года назад

      The same thing I though: constrain the magnets with 2 frictionless planes

    • @bigthahn
      @bigthahn 2 года назад

      Yes I was thinking this once the magnet began slight orbit he didn't continue to wiggle his hand which was the initial causation of the magnets beginning motion. If you continually applied the same spinning motion even once the magnet began to grab then I think, should it not continue it's orbit as long as you applied that same outward force with the rod?

  • @richardgordon
    @richardgordon 3 года назад

    I learn something new and interesting every time I come onto this site.

  • @JMWexperience
    @JMWexperience 2 года назад

    Another good one. Thanks!

  • @gorgonslayer4166
    @gorgonslayer4166 3 года назад +30

    I've not watched it but i'm pretty sure it'll be an amazing video as always!

  • @blueckaym
    @blueckaym 3 года назад +11

    Very interesting!
    And I would really appreciate if you elaborate (perhaps in another video) on how Gravity results in stable orbits.
    It intuitively seems that the orbit of a body around another body (like a planet around its star) is unstable equilibrium state (it's not just a point obviously as it requires correct position and momentum). But I mean that even the slight offset of the perfect balance (and we know that very few things are perfect in reality) would potentially (even if in a very long time) set the body either no a collision course, or would eject it away of the other body (losing energy usually results in the first scenario).
    So it seems there is a phenomenon or mechanism that ensures a balanced state (at least for some part of the matter), but intuitive thinking of separate bodies doesn't work as this balance of the whole system in my opinion is result of all the bodies (no matter how big or small or many) works by simultaneous interactions between all of them.
    I know Lagrangian mechanics is good for describing such complex systems, but I'm not familiar with it or its maths.
    And also while I definitely support the role of Math in all the branches of sciences, I think it doesn't help with actually understanding or communicating how a given phenomenon works (except between mathematicians)

    • @silience4095
      @silience4095 3 года назад +3

      Because his explanation is wrong...
      The centrifugal force is not real, it's not a thing in orbits.
      Let's ignore relativity for a second and assume that gravity is a force. The force points radially inward, which moves the velocity vector around its parent body. It's just the inertia of the object that keeps it from falling straight down.
      It's like swinging an object using a rope, the only force is the centripetal force from the rope... the centrifugal force doesn't exist... it's a fictional force.

    • @dustinc6869
      @dustinc6869 2 года назад +1

      @@silience4095 Thank you. I also said something similar above. There is no centrifugal force here. An orbit is a body that is being pulled by a force but is free falling at an arc greater than the force. With no friction (no atmosphere), the object wont slow down and will maintain the same trajectory in a free fall around the object.
      Pretty shocked that this channel got it so wrong. Im usually really impressed with the other content.

    • @totheknee
      @totheknee 2 года назад +1

      All known elliptical orbits decay due to influences from the rest of the system. It's just a matter of time. But there are just so many orbits that last a "long time" in human terms, that short-term stability (on the order of millions of years) is highly likely. The orbits themselves are neither stable nor unstable in the sense you are talking about, there are just an infinite amount of them. If you perturb an object in a particular orbit, the satellite will just assume another orbit according to the observed mechanics governed by mass, velocity, and gravity.

  • @caseykelso1
    @caseykelso1 2 года назад +1

    You should have made experiment where you cut the rope at certain times to see if it would stay in orbit because the Rope is drawing it to Ground Zero which is making it connect but without the friction of the Rope it could achieve an orbit...

  • @aktivbeats2535
    @aktivbeats2535 3 года назад

    Great stuff guy.

  • @pro-gradetech9155
    @pro-gradetech9155 3 года назад +27

    These videos are very informative for students taking A Level Physics! Great videos

  • @matthewsaulsbury3011
    @matthewsaulsbury3011 3 года назад +8

    Wow, this is amazing, fascinating, and cool! 👍🏻😀
    I am going to use little magnets to make a new game to play with my mom, and likely others, too.

  • @travo6805
    @travo6805 2 месяца назад +1

    This video is going to make me fail my physics final, I was just curious if its possible to send a magnet into orbit

  • @AntonioAstorino
    @AntonioAstorino 2 года назад

    I think a longer, thin wire would have worked better because it would have reduced the projection of the tension along the orbit radius, which positively contributes to the attraction to the central magnet and causes the smaller magnet to spiral in. In any case, it was a nice experiment :)

  • @rajanlamichhane3095
    @rajanlamichhane3095 3 года назад +5

    You read my mind, action lab

  • @Dudleymiddleton
    @Dudleymiddleton 3 года назад +8

    Neodymium magnets are very brittle, hitting them together is not good for them but it's all in the name of science! :) Thank you for another informative and entertaining video!

    • @Lucius_Chiaraviglio
      @Lucius_Chiaraviglio 2 года назад +1

      I thought that was samarium-cobalt magnets that were brittle; what I'd read of about neodymium magnets is that they corrode like crazy if not properly coated.

  • @baseddino
    @baseddino 2 года назад +2

    The very last part was interesting, if gravity were slightly different it would change how the entire universe looks

  • @Jaymac720
    @Jaymac720 2 года назад

    There were two 15-second ads on this video and I literally forgot what the video was about while I was scrolling through other videos waiting for the ads to play.

  • @StarWarsTherapy
    @StarWarsTherapy 3 года назад +3

    Great video. Saving to show my class next year. I’ve always wanted to try this demo.

    • @karansandhu4827
      @karansandhu4827 3 года назад

      Lol commenting “great video” without even watching the video

    • @StarWarsTherapy
      @StarWarsTherapy 3 года назад

      @@karansandhu4827 not sure how you arrived at that assumption

  • @ofrivia9485
    @ofrivia9485 3 года назад +4

    Isn't centrifugal force a pseudo force?

    • @advaykumar9726
      @advaykumar9726 3 года назад +1

      It is

    • @C0deH0wler
      @C0deH0wler 3 года назад

      There's just the ever change vector of gravity as the object goes around, and very fast 'sideways' velocity.

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal 3 года назад

      Centrifugal force is exactly as fictitious as centripetal force. It's just a name for a group of other forces that behave similarly, like pressure, lift, or the normal force.

    • @carultch
      @carultch 3 года назад

      @@TlalocTemporal No, that is not true. There is a specific reason why the centrifugal effect is called a pseudoforce, and those other examples of forces are not.
      The centrifugal effect is called a pseudoforce, because there isn't an interacting pair of objects that cause it. It is caused by one object as a consequence to being in a rotating reference frame, and attempting to travel in the inertial straight line, but having another force constrain it against doing so.

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal 3 года назад

      @@carultch -- Your explanation doesn't disagree with mine.

  • @pepsiplease69
    @pepsiplease69 2 года назад +2

    That’s amazing. 1/r2 is the magic sauce for stable orbits.

  • @asdfghyter
    @asdfghyter 2 года назад +1

    The centrifugal force exists just as much as gravity does. Both are virtual forces created from choosing an accelerating coordinate system.
    For centrifugal, it comes from a rotating coordinate system, while for gravity it comes from a curved space-time. In a geodesic coordinate system, neither force exists.

  • @df3_legomocs
    @df3_legomocs 3 года назад +6

    just to precise something the "centrifugal force" does not exist its just inertia that modified by the gravitationnal force of the planet in the exemple

    • @hoboinspector
      @hoboinspector 3 года назад +2

      agreed, except according to relativity gravity isnt a force either

    • @df3_legomocs
      @df3_legomocs 3 года назад +2

      @@hoboinspector absolutely it’s just by phrasing it that way it’s easier to understand it and you don’t want necessarily to introduce the theory of relativity just to talk about inertia

    • @silience4095
      @silience4095 3 года назад

      @@df3_legomocs Well... in relativity, the planets are just following straight lines through spacetime, known as geodesics.
      Most of the curve happens in the time dimension btw, not the space dimensions.

  • @karma_yogi_42
    @karma_yogi_42 3 года назад +15

    Man! Discovering the physical world all over again, like being kids again

    • @sumthinfresh
      @sumthinfresh 3 года назад

      Like being in school listening to lies about evolution, spinning globes, big bangs. Thank goodness we grew up and learned the truth

  • @richardsleep2045
    @richardsleep2045 3 года назад

    Thanks for explaining monopoles and dipoles. You are a great teacher.

  • @G0RSHK0V
    @G0RSHK0V 3 года назад +1

    Centrifugal force isn't actually force, it is inertia force,
    so actually you have only centripetal acceleration, but people decided to use imaginary centrifugal force for non-inertial reference frames for convenience

  • @dwightfry99
    @dwightfry99 3 года назад +6

    There's a channel that highlights interesting toys. One of them I saw recently was a setup where a large center magnet attracted a second magnet, but a series of smaller magnets retracted the second magnet. The result was that second magnet would pull the contraption towards it, but would push it away if it got too close.
    If you did this same experiment with that contraption, it might create a long lasting stable orbit.
    Im gonna try to track down the video and update this comment with a link.
    Edit: found it! ruclips.net/video/LyvfDzRLsiU/видео.html
    Edit2: I should have said a MORE stable orbit. I can imagine there are still issues that will cause the second magnet to slow to a stop.

    • @baseddino
      @baseddino 2 года назад

      Cool but basically cheating at that point

    • @Havron
      @Havron 2 года назад

      Ha, knew it would be Tim. Very cool and fascinating setup. Thanks for sharing.

  • @soonts
    @soonts 3 года назад +7

    If you launch the thing at exactly right velocity + direction, you can achieve stable circular orbit with any attractional force. The R^-2 forces are only necessary for stable eccentrical orbits. Achieving that exactly right velocity is hard in practice, though.

    • @g4me-time524
      @g4me-time524 3 года назад +3

      Indeed, you can create an orbit with all kind of potentials, it doesn't need to be 1/r^2. As long as no energy is lost there is no reason for it to fall into the center, when the initial conditions are right.

    • @petehiggins33
      @petehiggins33 3 года назад

      This is true but they cannot be called stable orbits. They are unstable orbits where the slightest disturbance will cause the object to crash and burn or spin off into space. Stable orbits such as gravitational orbits can be disturbed ie have their kinetic energy changed and they will just adopt a slightly different orbit corresponding to their new energy.

    • @g4me-time524
      @g4me-time524 3 года назад

      @@petehiggins33 @number 33 this doesn't sound physically correct. You can calculate the escape velocity for any kind of potential by integrating the potential towards infinity. So you won't accidentally let it escape the orbit by giving it a small nudge. Similar with falling to the center: unless it hits the object in the middle, the sum of potential energy and kinetic energy will be constant. They may not be circular or elliptical orbits, but they will be definitely be stable in a two body system.

  • @bestforyouall
    @bestforyouall 3 года назад

    Very entertaining and educational

  • @StevieObieYT
    @StevieObieYT 3 года назад +1

    02:33 "since we can't go out to space to do this" 🥺 We want The Action Lab in space! Let's go! 😁

  • @thestragequack3598
    @thestragequack3598 3 года назад +8

    Sir, why is your 'Fly Power' video age restricted?😂

  • @Suman-nv5hy
    @Suman-nv5hy 3 года назад +18

    the slow-mo and piano music was so well matched:
    Edit: thanks for 15 likes. (my highest ever in a comment)

    • @LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC.
      @LARRYSEIPRODUCTSLLC. 3 года назад

      Q: What if there was an exterior magnet the balanced the g force rotation around center magnet? 😁 Also my opinion on gravity is that exterior of planet earth is the condensed pressure on to earth pushing objects down that are not closest to its properties (likes attract) oil and water separate and decide position from great amount of mass of surround bring. Is this possible? Please explain. Thanks

  • @Adrs_channel
    @Adrs_channel 6 месяцев назад +3

    0:17 ayo

  • @evanscot.t
    @evanscot.t 2 года назад

    I feel like the magnets sticking together and spinning super fast is similar to how black holes work but black holes spin so fast they create a vacuum effect

  • @michaelrobinson300
    @michaelrobinson300 3 года назад +3

    You should get putting the attractive magnet on some type of slow rotation then try it again

  • @ppugalia9000
    @ppugalia9000 3 года назад +3

    Magnetic field drops by r cube ?
    I didn't know that, what's the exact equation?

  • @D_PRG
    @D_PRG 3 года назад +1

    Now you just need tiny people for your magnet planets

  • @TheGeenat
    @TheGeenat 2 года назад

    Thank you. More magnets please ! 😄

  • @novashadow3704
    @novashadow3704 3 года назад +5

    Magnets have always fascinated me, also what is the name of that simulation program?

    • @bhuvaneshwaranm5798
      @bhuvaneshwaranm5798 3 года назад +1

      It's Universe Sandbox 2 enjoy!

    • @lyly_lei_lei
      @lyly_lei_lei 3 года назад +1

      @@bhuvaneshwaranm5798 It’s not Universe Sandbox 2, it’s just Universe Sandbox and Universe Sandbox Legacy.

    • @norb3695
      @norb3695 3 года назад

      @@lyly_lei_lei it used to be Universe Sandbox 2, but they renamed it

    • @lyly_lei_lei
      @lyly_lei_lei 3 года назад +1

      @@norb3695 Correct.

  • @Johnny-br1nm
    @Johnny-br1nm 3 года назад +17

    seeing something actually cool for once-

    • @tu_matthew771
      @tu_matthew771 3 года назад +2

      What do you haven’t seen any of his videos?

    • @69k_gold
      @69k_gold 3 года назад

      Almost all of his videos are as cool as this. Check them out!

    • @adri4931
      @adri4931 3 года назад

      IKRRRR

    • @Mega_Mikey
      @Mega_Mikey 3 года назад +1

      Ending a sentence with a dash-

    • @Johnny-br1nm
      @Johnny-br1nm 3 года назад

      @@tu_matthew771 oh I've been subbed since 2018 but most ppl dont post really amazing content like him

  • @Cat-fy5lw
    @Cat-fy5lw 2 года назад

    The Action Lab: *creates a planetary system*
    God: *nervous sweating intensifies*

  • @colelacey2875
    @colelacey2875 3 года назад

    Where was this PERFECT explanation with visuals when I was trying to explain this to a flat earther. I think you should do a video explaining to flat earthers why the water doesn't fly off with centrifugal force.

  • @sahibvirk
    @sahibvirk 3 года назад +4

    07:46 God did his math.

    • @sumthinfresh
      @sumthinfresh 3 года назад +1

      God made the Earth flat, the One true God who was manifest in the flesh as Jesus Christ

  • @herpusvonclustus456
    @herpusvonclustus456 3 года назад +4

    my jaw was on the floor watching that in slow motion. mesmerizing

  • @CesareVesdani
    @CesareVesdani 2 года назад +1

    You need zero gravity to make two magnets orbit each other.

  • @thegaminpianistccc3580
    @thegaminpianistccc3580 3 года назад

    everybody gangsta until the golf balls start combining

  • @jaikumar848
    @jaikumar848 3 года назад +4

    Hi action lab ! Similarly can you make 2 electric charge orbit each other?

    • @jeevananand4810
      @jeevananand4810 3 года назад

      Well yes. Atoms literally have Protons (Positive Charge) & Electrons (Negative Charge) , with electrons orbiting the Nucleus containing Protons.

    • @jaikumar848
      @jaikumar848 3 года назад

      @@jeevananand4810 correction. Electron are in orbital not in orbit

    • @andricode
      @andricode 3 года назад +1

      @@jaikumar848 Well you just answered yourself

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer 3 года назад

      @@jaikumar848 And so are the magnets. In an orbital, I mean.
      Except that they are macroscopic and constantly interacting with other stuff, so classical theory doesn't break down quite so much as for a Hydrogen atom. But apart from that, these orbiting systems are not different in any way. So if you insist that electrons are in an orbital, not an orbit, then so is everything else, in principle. If you don't insist, then an electron in orbit around a proton is a somewhat fair classical model (ignoring radiation losses etc.).

  • @caleb_artzs2533
    @caleb_artzs2533 3 года назад +4

    Technically you're just making a motor at this point 5:58

  • @tomcantrell5553
    @tomcantrell5553 Год назад

    Very well explained. I liked the simulation of the 1/R^2.1 vs 1/R^1.9 and the graphical representation of the differences in the shape of the gravitational vs magnetic fields.
    Nevertheless, I think it would be cool to see is you could shape the magnetic field a little closer to that of a gravity field shape.
    Perhaps a ring of magnets with all south polls pointing inward. then magnetic ball rolled past it would "see the same field in all directions around the rings.
    Next, you could try to orbit a steel ball around that magnet instead of another magnet.

  • @rubyneo9674
    @rubyneo9674 2 года назад

    i always wanted to watch someone do this test in space

  • @surajvkothari
    @surajvkothari 3 года назад +16

    Action Lab, use GPT-3 to generate some video titles based on your channel, like Tom Scott did

  • @adamwong246
    @adamwong246 2 года назад +4

    I think you CAN make them orbit, if you stretch the word "orbit" a bit.
    Make a big flat surface with a strong magnet mounted in the center. Now build a small robot vehicle- it has 3 "legs" with un-powered bearings for feet, so it can roll in any direction. Then mount a rotary servo on top and to that, attach another magnet. You'll need a sensor that detects the direction of the magnetic flux of the big magnet, so the bot can rotate it's little magnet accordingly to counterattack the sum magnetic forces.

  • @notstebey583
    @notstebey583 2 года назад

    Year 10487591744262652656 AD:
    The Action Lab: can a black hole orbit a sun? lets test it out in space!

  • @gavinpalmer9174
    @gavinpalmer9174 2 года назад

    It’s important to note that the “centrifugal force” isn’t a real force. It’s just an effect caused by the forward inertia of the orbiting object. When an object is in orbit, there is only one force acting on it, the *centripetal* force, which points inward towards the object it is orbiting around.

  • @Vodkavsky
    @Vodkavsky 2 года назад +4

    Hang on, in the final simulation you had, you were showing the stable orbit, but then the two oscillating orbits which were inevitably going to repeat themselves as they continued circling and then eventually returned to their original position. They trace an outer circle with their many different orbits, so they can still orbit, it would just be repeating or oscillating in a set pattern, rather than a single constant loop in each of their revolutions around their point of orbit. This should mean that they can orbit, just not in the traditional sense, and so long as their orbits don't get changed by external forces, right?

  • @KoiGaming
    @KoiGaming 3 года назад +3

    While I appreciate this I do wish you explained gravity using the space time version of gravitational attraction

    • @hOREP245
      @hOREP245 Год назад

      Newton's laws work perfectly fine here for explaining orbits of simple systems.

  • @justgiz
    @justgiz 2 года назад

    This was a awesome video. kinda short and out of order, but nice. You answered the question before asking the question. Nice 8 second video tho.

  • @JohnTrustworthy
    @JohnTrustworthy 2 года назад +1

    I think I have an idea for a way to "cheat" a magnetic orbit.
    You align the magnetic fields the opposite way so that the magnetic force becomes the centrifugal force while the smaller magnet is hanging on a rope so that now gravity acts like a centripetal force and you give it a spin. It will spin in orbit on its equilibrium radius until it settles due to friction.

  • @bcr044
    @bcr044 3 года назад +3

    When you realize that the Sun and Jupiter are both magnetic

    • @ste3547
      @ste3547 3 года назад

      basically all things that has mass did!!!

  • @JustAlgeo
    @JustAlgeo 3 года назад +6

    Lol it's like gravitation, keplers law and stuff kind off, this something I'm studying rn

  • @SachiN-Vishwakarm
    @SachiN-Vishwakarm 3 года назад

    thanks sir......you explains sooooo well ❣❣