Is it the volts or amps that kill?
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2023
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In this video, I address the age old question: Is it the volts or amps that kill?
I originally covered this topic in a short video: • Is it the volts or amp...
However, my explanation there seemed to generate a lot of controversy among "professionals" that work with electricity. I decided to make a more thorough explanation with this video. However, my stance on the matter is unchanged!
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Everything very well explained! Thanks!
I'm still lost, I need someone to explain it with more electric shocks. Know anyone who could help with that?
half of the video flew over my head
"What is that? A crossover episode?" 🤣
As an Electrician with experience of more than 50 years I disagree. It's neither the amps nor the volts but in fact, it's the Devil which kills you.
So no video saying it's wrong? Good
as a guitar player, amps only kill if you drop it on someone
😂
Or they're vintage and have no ground and electrocute you.
@@XXMARIOXX-dk4popp😢ppla🎉
WRONG!!! you can also trip and crack your head off of it. you are clearly not a super genius of music like myself. (i have never played guitar in my life)
got a point
sign of a good engineer
does deadly stuff but still alive
epic pfp
same with that one guy who zaps himself as a joke all the time
Bro this guy is like that one kid in class who can absolutely beat you up but he won’t because he’s so nice
Not only could he absolutely destroy you in a fight, he also knows many ways to give himself a completely unfair advantage even though he does not need it (permanently blinding you with a laser, temporarily blinding you with something like flash powder, locking your muscles up with a mini Tesla coil and so many other fun and exciting advantages)
We should spread more misinformation in the comments so Styro can upload more of these cool demonstrations!
so true
Just diss moths, he'll be all over that. He loves his moths.
Only from nile green
Oh hi nile green
Moths are lethal!
I love how he always sounds like hes super excited and dead inside simultaneously
What else do you think the electricity is for?
YES!!!
That's the best description I could possibly imagine.
Perfect description
all college student be like
Hilarious how plenty of people criticize you because you "look young", touting their electrician credentials or whatever. To my eyes, you're an engineer, and have at least a bachelors level of understanding in electrical engineering. You also analyze the problem pretty well, so why would anyone think that you were some tenage hack playing with electricity? You make a pretty good case that the current/duration chart is misleading or wrong, and that voltage and frequency play an important role in the effect on the body. Good job styropyro.
He is H.S. age, isn't he? Sure knows his stuff, though!!!
@@leechjim8023 if by HS you mean high school; no, he's around 30.
"so why would anyone think that you were some tenage hack playing with electricity?"
Perhaps because that is exactly what it looks like.
You have that in most industries basically. I am a software engineer and I’ve heard plenty of older people suggesting they have a better understanding of things based on years sat on a chair than somebody young with a passion and curiosity, doing research non-stop, learning from the best in the industry instead.
I am now responsible for interviews and I always put passion and curiosity as one of the highest values.
@@aliancemd "I am a software engineer"
COL (chuckle out loud). Is that what used to be called a computer programmer? But it had nuances. The programmer developed the algorithm; that's the hard part, the design. A "coder" takes that design or program and implements in in the particulars of a language and hardware. No creativity is needed for coders.
2:26 seeing styropyro laugh in a non mad scientist way makes me genuinely happy
"I'm not an electrician or an engineer, but I do have a bunch of terrifying electrical devices"
this man is a national treasure
Not only that, but he says it in the same tone and relaxed enthusiasm as a ski instructor teaching 5-year-olds on a bunny slope.
national security risk at the same time tho
It was at this point i clicked the thumbs up button
The fact that he has those terrifying devices and is still alive is proof enough.
If you're building a Tesla coil from scratch, you're both an electrician and an engineer.
I love that pyro's defense for everything he claims is "well I'm not dead", and it's actually a super valid one.
Yes, but it's not a 100% valid one. Some things kill you by long time exposure and other things kill you if you have the wrong reaction in the wrong situation. So this argument only disproves immediate killing by electricity.
@@benrex7775 Did you only watch 5 minutes into the video? Time affected is a huge point here.
Exactly, because when the argument is something will kill you, and it doesn't, no amount of flexing degrees or occupations will refute reality. Here Pyro is actually demonstrating the scientific method instead of the authority bias like others.
@@billbill6094 I was answering a different question than you think. I was aware of most of what he said before I watched the video. I mean stuff like the radiation from the teslacoil could be long term damaging to the body. For example the UV of the plasma can cause skin cancer over the decades. Or the microwaves might cause cancer below the skin. And if you have electricity in your body it electrolyzes bodily fluids. Just because it doesn't have a short term damage, it might accumulates over the decades.
An electric shock can make serious damages to your heart. Making it skip a beat and in the long run could potentionally kill your later in life.
Thank you brother, I love this as it cleared all dilemmas I had about this issue , you are one of my favourite scientist ❤
this is my 5th time watching this lol. but the fact that styro was able to debunk and also teach is more impressive than anyone i've seen.
I've been trying to figure out how old styropyro is, and I think this video confirms he's actually thousands of years old and is immortal.
yeah he just pretends he's 30
I'd say so myself
umm he was the first bolt of lightning and when he dies we loose something needed
Like a Newt Scamander -ish Nicholas Flamel.
Typical immortal behavior. He's bored of life so he does dangerous stuff that takes him to the edge, everyone gets there after hundreds of years of life
As a qualified electricity professional, I can definitely tell you that zappy things go ouchie.
Wait… REALLY?!?
Outstanding! The ability to communicate in such a succinct manner is becoming a lost art. You, sir, are a master of communication!
Woah, zappy things can communicate!?
lol
As a fellow electrician, Zappy thing from the neutral feels more ouchie than the black
“Total incident energy” is the term we use. Mostly pertaining to arc flash energy in Cal/cm^2 to determine the minimum level of thermal resistant body suit class and electrically insulating gloves to prevent shock. Had a lot to do with voltage but some to do with max current output and ground fault protection in place. All factors have to be considered
Recuerdo que veía tus videos hace tiempo, que bueno que ya los saques en español, se agradece mucho.
I love how so many of us half jokingly say "I'm so glad Styropyro uploaded another video, because that means he didn't electrocute himself" and Drake just drops "testing high voltage electricity my haters say is lethal on myself"
no way is his name drake
@@carryingautoclicks7501 yes it is
@@carryingautoclicks7501he can make sick tunes with electronics
@@franciscosoares2440 holy shit
styropuro, uhh i mean drake the kinda guy to take heavy precautions so he doesn't end up being the slaughter gang CEO
It's like arguing what kills: a bullet, weight or velocity.
Well, all of it combined.
best explanation, holy fuck.
Quiet down, or you'll reignite the 45 acp vs 9mm debate back in here
What if
3kg bullet
But
0.1m/s
@@crackedemerald4930 if it's very pointy - can kill😅 same as electricity kills only when it goes through vital organs
and also again, where it gets you. if the bullet has managed to reach your heart, probably not gonna live. grazes your shoulder, well can't say for sure since I haven't experienced it myself, but probably going to live(assuming you get treatment).
hes explaining his anger with a smile in the first few parts. absolute madness, its great.
You're such a brilliant guy. Proud of you for everything you've put out there. And taught me alot😮
7:55 the editor's note killed me faster than electricity ever could
Haha! Wow! Great spot! I didn’t see it first go, only when I checked your time stamp 😂
Yo I wish this comment got blown up
LMFAO I missed it also.
Glad someone else noticed this!
Commenting to try to keep this higher in the comments because I fricken cackled when I saw that.
Styropyro has the most sober crackhead energy I’ve ever seen. Like well spoken, up beat friendly dude. Let’s disco with death and play with lightning bolts lmao. Very smart very creative guy, love his uploads and personality. The dude is a RUclips gem 💎
I've been subbed for years, and very glad he's been uploading a little more recently.
Thats why he is still here haha.
If someone told me styro was a full blown crackhead who made a RUclips channel to buy more crack. I'd believe it lol
I would say he’s not very smart. He is a genius. Thats why he seems half-crazy
He's Doc Emmet Brown prequel years ;P
how’s the electricity bill
Underrated comment
Y E S
Bro knows more about this than 90% of the engineers I went to school with including me
Your school sucks then.
@@STR8L8CED I went to a T20, ok buddy.
It’s clearly exaggeration, but I’ll expand on my comment. Computer engineers (me) at my school didn’t get lab experience with stuff like this. We mostly started working with and focused on integrated circuits. Millivolts and milliamps, sometimes DC power supplies and such but even then, it was in a highly controlled setting. They really don’t teach you whether volts or amps kill in Logic Design textbooks. It’s not like it’s necessary for CpEG’s to be dealing with things like this, so yeah, this video is informative even for people with engineering degrees (other than electrical).
@@Laminar-Flow soooo which is it...your school sucks or 90% plus yourself are just dumb?
@@Laminar-Flowlmfao. Instead of learning the lesson that school isn’t everything and that there’s value to practical experience and rigorous self study, you instead flaunt your degree, DESPITE originally saying that a guy without a formal education is smarter than a lot of your educated peers. Alright then pal.
@@maxwellsimon4538 You didn’t read my actual response for its content. I never said once he is smarter than my peers. Frankly, I can tell you wouldn’t understand the difference between the qualifications I have to actually apply highly-specific scientific principles in a highly-specific field of study to solve novel engineering problems versus doing something generalized in an entertainment video like this if it hit you in the face. Nikola Tesla was playing with high voltages far before your grandfather was weaned off breastmilk. Just because I learned something from the video, it doesn’t mean my formal education is useless. The first thing actual engineers learn about being engineers is they must stay humble and continue learning for life. I was too busy learning how to do Fourier & Laplace transforms by hand to learn shit like this in school, as were my peers. We were never taught this in the engineering curriculum, at a Top 20 school in the nation (ergo the world), because it’s unnecessary knowledge for my career path. The other commenter told me my school sucks. It unequivocally does not, and if you think an engineering school sucks because they don’t let engineering students play with insane voltage supplies and screw around with deadly amperages, you know absolutely nothing about the field. I responded to his comment the way I did because of his tone, and didn’t flaunt my degree so much as he insulted it.
Let me spell it out for you like you’re 12: I’m a computer engineer- I help design, simulate, and test infrared sensors nanometers in size (essentially micronized thermocouples) that are fabbed on multimillion dollar Lithography machines in the same building as my office. The dude that made this video cannot do that, is not qualified to do that, and has access to zero enabling equipment or even knowledge in IC fabrication or Electrical Engineering to do that. Working on research and practical application of this as “self study” (lol) would cost tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars given the facilities necessary. The EBL machine we use alone is millions and using it generally requires a masters or higher in the field. Engineering like this is way different than watching a RUclips video. I do NOT work with large currents or voltages. Never have, and never will. Like I said, this knowledge was never valued in my field of study. I never said there isn’t value to practical experience, but you seem to be trying to say practical experience and self-verified study = becoming an engineer. If that was the case, the world would be pretty screwed in a multitude of ways. I never said there wasn’t value in this stuff, because there is. It’s just useless in the area I work in, which is highly specialized.
I said he knows more about the content in this specific video than me, not that he is smarter than my peers or I in general. No need to project or conflate the two things as you did in your mindless comment. The fact you think knowing more about a specific boundary case of electricity is the same thing as being smarter in general than a bunch of engineers at the things they do for a living tells me you’re just an uneducated know-it-all that doesn’t understand the field. Good luck getting qualified as a Professional Engineer without a degree…. Specifically, good luck getting hired in an engineering position without such a degree. Your practical experience doesn’t matter in industry without the degree. This field of study doesn’t work like that.
He has more experience with ridiculous boundary cases of high voltage and current than I do, so that makes my degree worthless, means I am a shitty engineer, and I’m dumber than him? Alright then pal. I will not reply to a mindless retort from you unless you read everything I’ve wrote back to you and you pinch together your last two brain cells to intelligently respond to the points I’ve made. Otherwise, I will ignore you. If I were to guess, you’re an electrician who wants to think your job is equivalent to an electrical engineers’. Pretty typical
We have gathered here on this momentous occasion... to appreciate the never aging styropyro
Some say he’s older than Paul Rudd…
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210thlikrt
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thank you later for what? a decreased attention span? learning less from the videos I watch?
I think the electricity has killed all of Styro's skin cells so he can't age.
It is the vamps...
As an electrician I will stop saying amps kill. Thank you for the excellent educating skills
Watts Kill* ?
(note the *)
No, its a useful understanding in your work.
Saying Amps kill is probably good enough to convey a point, sort of like the bohr model is not actually how an atom looks or works, but is good enough to convey a point. Good to know that it isn't the full story though.
I belive you because you have money
Without Volts you won't get any amps.
Well said! Exactly the way I have always thought of it. It's the combination. Also true that many hobbyists get injured or killed from the HV microwave transformers. Many don't even realize a GFCI does not protect with these since the HV output is isolated from the Ground fault sensing circuit.
Why is the HV isolated?
@@citricdemon
In the case of the microwave HV transformers they have connected them to use for Lichtenberg burning (also known as fractal burning or wood fracking). They connect the transformer primary GFCI protected 120V and use the HV side to arc into wet or damp wood. The transformer is in its very nature isolating since the windings are not physically connected, but magnetically coupled. The GFCI cannot protect in this manner. It picks up the imbalance of current between hot and neutral in the circuit and cannot sense if ground current is flowing on the secondary of the isolated HV output. Hope I explained that ok...
Love your videos, thank you for the amazing work you put in your videos.
I absolutely love how you back your findings up with numbers. You do the testing, and show the data. Pretty hard to contest that.
the only hard part is people who just read the name of the video and then comment what their 2 braincells thinks
styro is amazing indeed
@@BamsyTheSergal Like the pinned comment?
Thats the way it should be, way too many times people just say random things and act like they are facts. Ive specifically teach my kids to say "I believe" or "im pretty sure" ect when they say something about a fact they arent 100% sure about. Its always been a pet peev of mine when people say stuff that isnt true.
Your videos have old youtube vibes to them and i love it
Styropyro : touches litteral plasma and laughs,
Electroboom : plugs a lamp and dies
then comes back to life after bleeping about 1600000 times!
Why he laughin so much? He off the za
electroboom: *uses tap to pay*
cashier: *explodes*
inside every man are two wolves:
That’s electricity for you!
Your videos are better than ever! I have heard so much on this exact topic for years, but have never seen a video with such accessible explanations and examples. Amazing!
But young homie if you dont mind a seasoned video editor and multimedia guys thoughts get a lapel mic! They arent expensive and it will help your audio so much, particularly in big rooms. You cant kill all the reverb but you will have more control over the audio as a whole.
Hey there, I really liked the beginning of your video when you said "people said you're wrong"... I haven't watched the original yet....
Anyway, I'm an electrician and get asked this question often, and generally answer with "It's both and other factors such as time and conductivity" or i just say "Yes" (which tends to piss people off) ... Time is a major factor.... this is why, as a sparky if I work on live wiring/switchboards or whatever, I always put my body in a stance that if I get zapped I with fall away from the conductor (live parts), so I will only get zapped for a very short time....
I'm in australia so I mainly work on 240v or 415v... However, I very very rarely work on DC voltages over 50V.
Sorry for the rant, but I will like and subscribe right now. Please keep making cool vids like this!!
Kind regards, Craig DeGruyter.
"Your mother's capacitance is higher because she is physically large"
The savagery
Just the fact this guy is still alive absolutely proves that he knows what he's talking about
The craziest scientists are the ones who know the most.
literal living proof
@@MCWaffles2003-1for real
❤😂🎉
I Love how he Laughs Every time he feels actual Pain!’ And the More Pain the Louder and Longer the Laughter 😂😂😂😂
If that tesla coil wont kill you, your electric bill will :D
There is something so funny about the blank and emotionless smile that you do when your around stuff that could kill you in an instant. Love your youtube channel man!
I love you too.
love you too
isn't the entire point of the video we just watched that it couldn't kill you? At least the stuff that he did
@@HearMeLearn Yeah I made this before watching the entire video. I just saw the intro part where hes messing with the tesla coil and he was doing the face.
@@bigearsinc.7201 lame
Something I have learned as a rule of thumb for nearly all topics is that if someone tells you "it depends" rather than a simple straight answer, they are probably the real expert.
Yes! The universe as a whole is incomprehensibly complex
@@Dogedows
Understatement, but an understandable one!
YES, I’ve noticed this too.
Yup, if something seems incredibly cut and dry someone is lying or stupid.
@@NoConsequenc3 Honestly I think its more often someone is just trying to sell something even if its just entertainment. Like "This is the fastest car in the world.."
this video gave me a classic youtube vibe... i love it!!
This is excellent. Thanks for putting it together.
A moment of respect for this man's health insurance provider
You mean life insurance provider
@@mshenay LOL
@@mshenay its really both depends if your swaping contracts on a day trading basis or are just generally bullish on styro making it past 65.
What insurance? 🤣
Bold of you to assume anyone's crazy enough to insure this brilliant madman
Electricity in a nutshell is basically, "Yes, but no. It's complicated."
Why is it never a simple answer gahh
Plus basically the same when it comes to our nervous system.
@@isavedtheuniverse its too nervous to tell us the true reasons.
That's why I stick to mechanical things. I don't have enough brain cells to be a sparky
@@aniquinstark4347 I had to re-read your last name a couple of times before I realized it WASN'T 'Spark'. :facepalm:
I remember years ago I was attending a Safety Meeting at my facility, The safety man stated that current kills and not voltage, I told him he was wrong and if that was true why was it safe to arc weld (in dry conditions) and safe to touch a car batteries terminals (again in dry conditions} His eyes got glassy and only one other tech agreed with me. I learned my lesson and every year thereafter when attending electrical safety meetings I kept my mouth shut.
Honestly, I would be kind of concerned having someone like that on a safety board at any company where a lot of electricians work for whatever reason, because how can you truly keep everyone out of company safe when you do not understand what can and cannot kill them
You are so insanely good at what you are doing! I have experimented a lot with these things and it took me over a decade before I started to really look into it and found out how the stuff really works. It's incredible how much misconceptions exist even by experts in electronics.
As someone who is a master electrician and has a huge love for very high voltage and dangerous projects, any time somebody asks if it's the amperage that kills, my response is always "it depends." There are so many variables in play.
Thanks for this upload and explaining how electricity can be lethal. I also just appreciate seeing all of your wild electrical devices.
Just curious, what have you done to qualify yourself as a master electrician? Not trying to say you aren't, simply interested in what determines when an electrician becomes a master of their craft.
@The Roober It's literally a qualification called "Master Electrician" I believe.
@@RSpracticalshooting Most likely a master's degree from a university
@@RSpracticalshooting you get trained by a green skinned midget on some lost planet who is also a master
@The Roober Certainly! I went to a trade school. I'm very fortunate that the company I worked for at the time paid for it, so long as I worked for them full time, and my grades stayed at A+ I could be remembering that wrong, but I'm certain it was A+ grades.
It took four years of an apprenticeship while working, so at minimum 1,000 documented hours of electrical work to get my Journeyman license. After that, I needed at least one year of working as a Journeyman to be able to take the Masters test to become eligible for a Master electrician license. Once I had finished all of that, my State's Department of Regulatory Agencies (Division of Professions and Occupations) reviewed everything and approved my license, granting me the title of Master Electrician.
In the US, it varies state by state, but it's generally correct that someone must have at least 1,000 hours of work in one trade, then approval from a board of directors to be certified as a Master of their trade.
I hope that helps explain the process!
He returns with the gift of safety
😂
As an electrician, school taught me 50 volts at 300Ma is the maximum allowed voltage / current. When you multiply those numbers you get 166.66666 smth ohms which is the maximum allowed resistance for ground in the Netherlands
I love electricity very much and know so much about it and yet I learned more from you thank you o much for explaining everything about this! :)
the fact that styropyro is still alive after all the stuff he's built and done.. he's got the most qualifications of anyone on the internet
stop licking 9volt battery's🤣🤣🤣
Compared to Nikolai Tesla, Styro's vidz are Tame.
Entertaining for sure, but not tickling the clouds with arcs.
@@KermitFrazierdotcom Counterpoint: Nikolai Tesla isn't on the internet.
He certainly has the best posture… speaking as a physio 😉
How come both of you nerds get Nikola Tesla's name wrong?
I'm an electrical engineering student and I clicked on this link thinking that I already knew the answer. I ended up learning some new things. Great video!
Same, now I have a bunch of voltage/current/power stuff running through my head unrelated to my EE exam tonight, whoops…
@@guydunn5354 Hopefully someone decides to be a smartass with the professor and claim that "iT's THe CuRrENT tHaT KIlLs" so you can jump in and get some bonus points
Don't get fooled. Ohm's Law is still at work.
@@WCM1945
Of course electricity is always conservative and follows the path of least resistance assuming also resistance change depending on thermal tolerances. Other than batteries most devices that are high amp are generally higher voltage also. So saying that amps kill is simply a good way to keep most people safe especially when they don't understand what they are messing around with. Working with live capacitor banks or step up transformers that store hundreds of volts and tens of amps you learn to be less conductive and pay attention to gapping stored potential differences or you soon will...
as an electronics engineer i'd like the electrical engineer to read my comment above . lol
Nice video. You did a very good job at explaining that stuff. There's no way anyone will still think that it's the current that kills after watching this video.
It has been a while since CPR class, but the first step in responding to electrocution was to "De-energize the source." Further, old-school defibrillators had settings in Joules, a unit of energy.
I also can't stand it when people try backing up their false claim with their qualifications, or when they're so confident and condescending, and wrong at the same time. Which is why I absolutely love this video. You proved that they are unequivocally wrong through the fact that you're not dead.
Dunning-Kruger effect
These people are qualified only to drag wires across the room, nothing more
Well you point out two fallacies. Just because someone has credentials doesn't mean they're always right when disagreeing with someone who doesn't have as good of credentials. But also, just because someone does something and doesn't experience any negative consequences doesn't mean they didn't get lucky. I can't stand it when someone says, "I've done that several times and haven't have any problems, so it must not be bad."
Yup, the classic argument from authority
@@chitlitlah On the flipside, at least that person did it several times and didn't experience any problems, compared to many of these supposed experts flaunting their degrees that very likely never performed a single live experiment to back up their claims at all. They're nothing but pencil-pushers with only rote academia; they know the _theory,_ but never put it to practice themselves. Meanwhile, the other guy did, potentially multiple times, thus at least lending credence to his claims.
Theory only becomes valid after experimentation renders proof. Not before. These snobby academics are nothing but theorists mindlessly regurgitating some cherry-picked factoid they likely heard mindlessly regurgitated by someone else claiming to have credentials (known as "appeal to authority") but equally few actual experimental proofs of their own, creating a cycle of pretension. And, what's worse, they're often so wrapped up in their ego, they will simply refuse to accept any proof given, regardless of how many times it can be repeated, simply because it doesn't line up with their perceived notions of understanding on the subject, on paper alone. You can show it to them - rub the proof in their faces even - and yet they'll stubbornly refuse to even consider it, let alone accept it.
There's simply far too much ego infecting the science.
If Styropyro says "I gotta get out of here" in a lightening storm, then I need to be more scared of lightening storms.
Cheers to that 😂
him scared of lightning also him, oh a tesla coil let me point this stick at it
Also what appears to be some sort of tornado on the far left
he was close to the lightning he could've got electrocuted, you probably view them from a distance
He was in a car, that's a Faraday cage.
My answer before watching:
The current passing through your body is what kills you, but you need a certain amount of voltage in order for the electricity to actually get past the surface resistance of your skin. Location on your body also matters, the most lethal places to be shocked would be the heart or the brain, but if you are in the circuit for long enough you can also die due to internal burns. Usually, when someone gets shocked and killed they don’t actually get electrocuted, but rather they fall off a ladder or other surface after flinching and die from the fall. But it doesn’t take much for the electricity to force your hands to clench and hold onto the wire and you won’t be able to let go, and if that happens you are toast. Even still, I know a guy who got grabbed by 277 volts between each hand, and he survived after being shocked for like 2 minutes. His arms got burned but he came back to work not long after that. It seems electricity can’t kill you if God has decided that it’s not your time to die 😅
As an electrician who actually cares about learning electrical theory, It makes me laugh when I read the comments about how "I work with electricity professionally" and stuff like as if driving a car makes them knowledgeable about how a combustible engine works. Just because you twist wires or even solder microchips, it doesn't mean you know everything about electricity.
In school we learn that 15 miliamps can kill. But that's literally the minimum. We rarely put warnings on disconnects if they are 120/208v, but we do if its 277/240 or more. In fact I am extremely careful the higher the voltage, not so much the higher the amps. Its a common joke with my first boss who trained me that if anyone says that amps kill over volts, then we both know they truly don't understand how it works. Its very complex and beautiful in its own way. Thanks for keeping up this argument.
If anyone was wondering, the sign he holds up at the intro says "Don't Enter, Kills!" ( Не влезай, Убьет! ) which is basically Cyrillic "DANGER KEEP OUT!" There is a lack of fluff and subtle politeness in some Slavic languages that I just adore.
I also love that you stuck "you sound and look like a lesbian" in with the other criticism about amps vs. volts. That was masterful.
The top writing is in georgian and the bottom one is the one you mentioned about
And when he gets a shock he sounds like he's 6. That giggling is really cute.
Dude that sent me when I saw that
@@jacobprice3079 Where did it send you?
Это Русский
So when I was a EE student, this question came up several times. None of my professors said it was Voltage or Current. The answer was always " It depends", as in there are a lot of variables that go into it, just as you explain. The one thing they all said is, "Don't want to get shocked? Don't touch it!" Its the only way to be sure.
Unless it's a high enough voltage, then you don't have to touch it
@@ChristopherHeinz57 at that point why are your ever even in the vicinity of that thing with high enough voltage to create mini lightning
@@skeptic_lemonhow else are you supposed to become the flash?
@@dodonooblord6224 Tesla coil!
@@skeptic_lemon because my job requires it
I like your qualifications on the wall behind ya there👍👍✌️✌️👌👌
Got so many questions, lol. You are as crazy as you are knowledgeable enough, lol. Lol, your videos and your expressions. Idk if they are satire or other things. I wish you the best! Love your videos.
Honestly, you deserve a chair at a university. I have seen many professors who do not even have a shadow of the didactic gift as you, not to mention their equipment and their courage to experiment.
Definitely
Yeah
Most universities have free chairs. Just go sit at a bench or a desk
those who can't do, teach
@@teathesilkwing7616 ys, but possibly not free "chairs of physics".
You might not be an electrician or engineer, but I am and you have a better handle on this than 95% of dudes I've worked with. Thanks for a cool video!
True! He's really deep into the matter and cares well what he's doing and saying. While a lot of other so called experts are just repaeting nonsense they have read or heard somewhere.
One example on how horribly wrong these things can go is this here: some time ago I've read an doctoral thesis of a so called "master of science" about how the old charge and energy limits of 50 µC and 350 mJ are bull shit as this is not realistic and would limit the amount of energy electrostatic machines and devices can hold to way too low valuesto be effective. It is true that IEC 60479-2 states that the low risk of ventricular fibrillation for a healthy adult starts at around 3-5 mC (c1 line). But this just a roof limit for the *immediate risk of death* and not a green card to all kinds of stupidities one can do with electricity below these limits. Also energy will increase with the same charge being delivered at higher and higher voltages causing a unique danger on its own with all its effects on it own.
As I've done quite a few experiments with electric pulses from various devices on my own body I can tell pretty much which kind of signal creates what kind of effects. I pointed out to the person in question that the electrical charge as a measure is right for stimulus strength from short pulses but that there are a few problems with the precise values given for *health danger*. Health danger is not only limited to *death from electrocution*. Even a strong muscle cramp causing damage to nerves and muscle tissue would be enough to set a limit way below 5 mC. In my experience one should never go over 10 -15 µC, if possible, as this gives you already a strong shock you won't repeat and gives you some pain in the ass for several hours in your arm. Also one has to consider the worst case scenario. Just throwing funny numbers and concepts all around the space withoput knwoing what they mean in a specific context means nothing. I am talking about large surface contact areas and shocks being strong enough to cause some kind of significant harm to health. Also one has to look at energy seperately for thermal, physical and chemical damage to the cells. Also it is about situations where one can expose themselves safely to voltages and body currents without the need to switch of the voltage. So if the stuff is too strong just take other measures in order to work without any contact to dangerous voltage. Also they have set the value for long term contact voltage to E < 50 V for low voltage which is not hazardous. This contrats other norms. But you don't need norms to know that you don't want to shock yourself with only 30 V (AC).
Now I wrote a lot about this and I could write een more but what is important is that always be sceptical about what others tell you, even your own teachers and masters and try to educate yourself as best as possible.
You typed my comment _for_ me. 👍Damn scary what I come across.
He has already proved you guys are full of shit. And you still throw around your ‘qualifications’. 😂
right
The AVERAGE “electrician” or more accurately “wireman” doesn’t have a clue about what was shown in this video!! 😂😂 No offense I am an Electrician myself- Everyday I learn MORE interesting things about Electricity ⚡️💪🏽💪🏽
you are a legend and good on you for not letting people get to you and for prooving a point.
I saw a reaction vid to this not long ago so i had to click and support. Great content.
As an electrician and engineering student, this is one of the best videos regarding its subject. Especially for the short length. Very nice and informative. It is impressive that you are not an engineer or something like that.
He's actually a trained Chemist. Pretty scary if you think about it...a chemist that plays with electricity, apply some current to some chems and you can open a fucking black hole or some weird shit.
google is free bud, he learned it from the internet not in a class as we did... I'm an engineer you might have learned it by trade but you get the point
@@anibaltv845 lol someone didnt look at his creds
@@anibaltv845 have you seen some of the stuff he does? You cant do that from google
@@cZBeats Of course you can. If you understand the theory behind it. Pretty much all the information you need is there. Having it in a way that'll be easy to consume might be harder, as one subject might require knowledge of another, that requires knowledge of another, that requires knowledge of another, and if you don't understand the whole line, you won't be able to truly understand what it is you want to understand to start with.
"We can use these nightmare bricks to watch horrors happen in real time"
Absolute word
😂I was dying
Great video. Your love of physical science is inspiring. You would be a splendid physics teacher. You are, in fact.
I mean technically it could be either
High voltage electricity at the right frequency can shock the heart outa rhythm
Tachycardia can happen cause the heart goes out a rhythm with the rest of the circulatory system
And the chambers of the heart will set empty beating at hummingbird speed not moving a drop of blood
See the aorta inflates the right chamber of the heart
It's similar to the effects of the martial art move the fingers of death
To counter have to shallow breath with full lung laying on your back and put your legs over your head
Will reinflate the right side of the heart
Also why we use the one hand rule
Very elegantly said. I've went through college with all my professors being retired master electricians, and you summarized weeks of classes in this 20min video. Even with the time restraint of 20min, you hadn't skipped a beat as far as formulas and key words go. It's very refreshing to see someone explain this topic in the detail that you did. Thank you, I'll be using it as a sole reference material to explain to others in a little more detail.
Trade school: give us $2000 and 6 months of your time.
Styropyro: Got a lunch break homie.
This is all you learned in weeks?
@@attacker7124 well, some people are a bit slow...
@@spvillano Everybody in trade school is slow, so it is not "some" in this case.
@@timeup2549 i thought trade school was for poor people not dumb people.
One of the few individuals who takes in feedback, responds in kind and manages to educate people. Cheers to you, mate.
well one of his replies he's calls someone stupid but in general, yes
500th
@@pappi8338 the issue is that person was flaunting me some qualification and then providing provably false information so I would say styro was justified in his actions but that's just me
@@the_undead autocorrect is not your friend
@@GroomlakeArea51 more like voice-to-text is not my friend
Im a mechatronics apprentice and i didnt think people didnt understand the principles of electricity who have a degree! volts and ohm determines if you get shocked, and everything (mainly: volts, amps, ohm, frequency) determine how bad u get shocked! simple....
Note im only bashing against those that do this for work and should know this!!
As an electrician I'm very disappointed in the "professional" electricians that needed you to explain this for them. Thank you for this video! This is the best thing I can show people for them to understand!
Just realized, a lot of people are gonna try to say that the 40 amp static shock didn't go through your heart but I love your attention to detail to have the shock go through your left side which definitely did go straight through your heart.
I realized I could have edited my comment but nah, another thing I thought of you didn't mention is that it depends on our own individual nervous systems since there are documented cases of people dying off 9v batteries when they put it to their tongues....
As a retired teacher I'm so impressed with this young man's love for teaching. Any school, college or university would benefit greatly from this enthusiastic and well learned Mr Science.
Sorry to put a pin in your bubble but I agree. He would benefit schools teaching. The pin part is that I believe Western schools are anti-human. The future is 1 on 1 tutors, 1 on 1 tutors would create much more jobs too. Although the future is UBI and not as much jobs, eventually people will just by cyborgs that learn from downloadable data.
@@earthenscienceYou think the government's gonna keep people around that don't do anything?
@@commentfailedtopost Yes its called welfare. And the government is known for being lethargic themselves. And politicians are not the ones making decisions they are just bribed and told what to do.
Absolutely. You think the government is going to kill people who will be phased out of the workforce by automation, robotics and AI? Get real.@@commentfailedtopost
@@earthenscienceYou’re no older than 16
I am an electrician. Hats off to you. I really did not know this in that much detail. You have a lot of cool instruments and a lot of knowledge. It must be fun to do this kind of thing and actually have the knowledge to keep yourself safe and know what you can get away with. I hope that you can keep exploring.
This kid is awesome I’m impressed
@@Onlyhealthyweed He's litearlly 30 years old, you know.
É esse tipo de conteúdo que estamos precisando muito top você e sensacional
Afinal, se cair um raio em cima do túmulo da shineray, ela ressuscita? 🤔
Top demais, ensina a fazer uma lâmpada de plasma superpoderosa caseira. :)
7:57 Bottom Right lmao 😂
My man Pyro is funny AF!✌🏼
I love his "one way to find out~" as if death is just a toy.
Fun fact about the Osha 50v regulation: in my recent electrical safety cert training the instructor talked about how at the time those regulations were established the telephone companies had a substantial lobby, and they happened to operate their lines at 48 volts, so yeah the real reason the limit is set at 50v is bc the telephone companies didn't want to be regulated and they could pay enough to strongarm the govt lol.
Edit: should probably mention the instructor my company uses actually sits on my state's board of electrical examiners.
Important historical comment
Many old houses that used to have land lines have copper lines that still carry those 48 volts, even in a power outage. I'm a curious electrician and I've found about 90% of the homes that have the solid copper red, green, yellow and black (in my sector) have power. Charge your phones, have lights and more in a blackout.
Also it used to be telephone company, not companies. Bell ran the world and invented everything.
You know who else sits on the board of the NEC? CEO's of major electrical parts companies, Legrand, Hubbel, Leviton and others. Why do you think GFCI's are required everywhere and cost $35...
I mean this is true, but bear in mind engineers certainly didn’t choose 48V by accident. I’m sure much effort was made to find a compromise voltage that minimized transmission losses while maintaining an acceptable safety margin.
No way 48V was chosen by accident!
@Corey Moullas while I'm sure there were technical reasons for the 48v standard I would wager a month salary that safety was bottom of the list, if it even made the page! You gotta remember this was established at a time when ppl were smoking cigarettes with asbestos filters for Christ's sake!
Edit: oh and let's not forget knocking back shots of radium tonic to wash down the bread cut with plaster and the cheese preserved with embalming fluid lmfao
@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n You can't get very much current out of the phone line though. It's current limited to ~30mA. You can put a bare LED across a phone line with no current limiting resistor, and the LED lights about normal (I'm talking like an indicator LED, not a high brightness lighting LED). I discovered that as a kid playing with LEDs and phone lines. So yes, you get "free power" from the phone company if you still have a landline that runs to your house, but the amount of power you can actually get from it is minuscule. It certainly will NOT charge a phone during a power outage. Now as an adult (and engineer), I'd actually measure the voltage and current with an LED across the phone line, if I had a phone line. Only fiber runs to my house :(
Excellent. Well explained bud 👌
TLDR:
Amps kill, but any current that is fatal requires a voltage to drive as per I = V/R, meaning you cannot have lethal amperage without the necessary high voltage. However, the reason lots of high-voltage demos and discharging devices are perfectly safe (like 200000 volt van-de-graff machines) is because that high voltage has very little charge and energy behind it. It is the static, open circuit voltage that you are measuring and so when any load is actually connected the voltage almost instantly drops to near zero.
So for a van-de-graff machine at 200000 V, you are in fact actually touching real 200000 volts which will drive a current of 1-20 amps through you if you complete the circuit to ground. HOWEVER, because a van-de-graff machine has so little charge behind the 200 kV, the high current lasts more a mere 50 nanoseconds or so before the voltage drops down to insignificant levels, meaning the exposure to current lasts far less than even 1 microsecond. As a result, the actual energy you are absorbing is very little.
This is the best video about these misconsceptions I have seen so far.
First I mainly expected the basic description I give when someone asks me (people do because I am an electrical engineer). To keep it short I tell them "you need current running through you for a long enough time interval to kill you, to get that you need enough voltage to overcome the resistance of your body and it is different for DC and AC and different for different AC frequencies so don't touch anything".
I like that you went further and you quantified things too. The charts you show for current and duration and for perception by nerves were a ton of information by themselves and the measurements on the static shock and the tesla coil were great too. It never actually occured to me that above certain frequency you stop feeling, your nerves running your heard do not react either and the danger is basically is down to heating tissues by the passing current. But seeing it now it makes perfect sense.
And you made a bunch of condescending people look all manner of stupid which is always fun 🙂.
Thank you for the great video.
Remember the basic physics law that higher frequencies have more trouble travelling further because they dissipate energy faster. Ohm's law might not mean shit for the human body, but still if you replace the resistance in the equation with the complex impedance you'll see that you get a much lower current out of a given voltage at higher frequencies. So it makes sense that higher frequency currents are less dangerous.
I like your basic description.
@Google user well, because 90% of those people made up those qualifications in the first place.. and the rest 20% are just id.iots. btw, trust me, im right, im a math expert
Props for your footnote at 7:55, it's nice to see proper notation on RUclips.
thank you for bringing me back to that point to read that, your contribution to society will be noted.
🤣Yeah I laughed at that too!
Beat me to it
Omg I missed that part. Thanks for sharing.
witty scientific your momma jokes are the best.
I’m glad those of us “so called experts that do this for a living” have created an electrical infrastructure that makes it impossible to create truly dangerous power levels in a typical home. While I respect your experiments and enjoy watching your videos, try to appreciate what linemen and wiremen do everyday; work with truly dangerous electrical systems. Show a little respect.
After all, your experiments are only powered by whatever current a #4/0 feeder at 220v can supply. Hardly “truly terrifying”.
With that being said, I feel you are doing great things for science for the layman. Keep up the good work and make more interesting videos!
If we're talking straight up death and not injury, and the voltage is always high enough to scock, then we're talking about the heart. In that case, frequency matters more than anything. And even then low enough amperes on a deadly frequency is fine accross the heart. If we didn't have a heart then it would be REALLY hard to kill a human with electricity. Even lightening wouldn't kill. You'd just get a small burn running through your body. You'd have to burn enough flesh to cause enough bleeding to make them bleed out. Our heart is a massive weakpoint when it comes to electricity.
Sometimes I feel like Styro just forgets he's filming a video and just wants to play with the sparkly-death-rays. This channel is educational and entertainment gold.
cap
@@EnderGameZ. bruh get outta here hater
@@EnderGameZ. not cap
very informative video u worked hard
Excellent video, but one nitpick. You measured the base current of the secondary which is different than the streamer current due to all that sloshing around in the secondary capacitance. Arcing to ground is going to change things too, but it's not a priori obvious what the effect will be.
The one time I talked to Steve Ward about it he wasn't able to get a good measurement because his coil was going unstable under the load. It should be pretty easy for you to measure with that setup though.
I genuinely worry when this man doesn't upload for a while because of what he does for content
What an original comment!
@@Nahmate1337 people can have the same ideas, originality isnt always required
@@vortextheprotogen4051 No but the same comment gets posted a thousand times on every video, stop reaching.
@@Nahmate1337 Because it's true? Grow the f up.
@@Nahmate1337eh. fair
Good video. You put a LOT of work into this one. I get the "it's the current that kills" oversimplification a lot. It is, but it's also the voltage that pushes the current. The same people usually say things like "current takes the path of least resistance". Nope. It takes ALL paths of resistance.
It's kinda unfortunate that our classic 50/60Hz supplies are just perfect for causing sustained muscle contraction and oodles of pain.
Hey, it's job security. A lot of knuckleheads will try just about anything but they know well enough to stay away from the juice.
A phrase that stuck with me when I was a young apprentice was "Electricity takes all paths according to their resistance"
I'm glad to see you here Clive.
Yeah, these myths are perpetuated by people trying to dumb things down so that others/themselves can better understand it. Then since so many people are saying/teaching it as fact, they think it is.
More current takes the path of less resistance.
Is it unfortunate that 50/60hz stuff does what it does to us or is it inherently related to the fact that those frequencies were chosen to align with our eyes’ “framerate” or threshold to recognize movement? I have absolutely no qualifications but my intuition tells me it’s not much of a coincidence as nerves are heavily involved in both perspectives
I argued (way too long) with someone in the comments of a video about electric shock hazards once. He kept insisting that "according to ohms law" there was no way that being shocked by so many volts/amps could be lethal. I forget now how much voltage/current he was using in his example but sure enough he had all the math worked out and it was indeed lower than the amount of current that most texts cite as being lethal. I kept trying (unsuccessfully) to get him to understand that there are many other factors in play such as capacitive coupling, individual skin resistance, dialectic breakdown, whether or not you are completely dry, etc., That are not addressed by ohms law and cannot be accounted for by dry math alone.. But alas he was one of those "the numbers don't lie" type of fellows who was throughly confident in his conclusion. After arguing with someone I considered to be willfully ignorant for upwards a half an hour I began to question which one us was actually the idiot😅 Finally i told him to present his argument to saint Peter should he happen to be electrocuted by a less than lethal amount of current 😅
It's the volts that jolt, and the mills that kill.
I can only imagine Styro’s face when they released the research into manipulating lightning with lasers
Something tells me he'll be doing a video about that at some point. It does sound terrifyingly dangerous for a hobbyist though.
@@SocialDownclimber "terrifyingly dangerous" is probably the best explanation of styropyro out there
LAERs?
He has the laser on order already.
Lol thats a funny thought he must be exited
"And use these nightmare bricks to watch horrors happen in real time!" I always love the enthusiasm he puts behind rather morbid statements. Definitely one of my favorite people on the platform
u mean earth, not platform
That might be an issue
The best quote of the video
Lmao, that cracked me up! "Nightmare Bricks"
Great stuff and shows deep knowledge. Just be careful not to work on Fri-days. 😝
O cara acordou, e já sai refutando o conteúdo de todas as faculdades de engenharia elétrica do mundo
Styropyro somehow does the dumbest crap while still making it entertaining and not dying while doing it
The line between a scientist and a mad scientist is very thin.
dumbest? wtf
He's not electroboom that's why
Factual
@@i-_-am-_-g1467 last time I checked ElectroBOOM was still alive. Has anything changed?
i like how he looks completely insane with how he is so happy listing off exactly how and why electricity can kill you
I love it 😂
That's how we know he knows his stuff: he's still alive.
There's no way he would find out all that knowledge via trial and error.
😁😁
😂you think that's good, you should see some of his older videos where the audio was slightly out of sync. between the async and the way he moves when he talks, he looked like a muppet, lol
He do be loving those electrons
Making a guess before watching the video. Electrical power output is equal to the current times the voltage, so coming in contact with a battery that has a high value of both would lead to a large amount of energy to be transferred into you. With nowhere else to go, yoru body absorbs all the energy and it causes a lot of complications.
I honestly don't know what to admire more, your intelligence or your courage!
As an electronic tech of nearly 20 years working on everything from xray supplies to consumer devices tube and solid state I absolutely agree. Glad someone else understands its not an exact science to getting zapped, depends on many factors even down to your body hydration level how severe of a shock you will get. Most of the equipment I work on uses 450vdc + as its main rail voltage with over 10A available continuous. You work one handed, I was spared once as a younger/more dumb/careless individual and got away with burns and getting knocked the fuck out. I was working on a large linear tube transmitter and didn't discharge the rail. Be careful out there guys especially with those damn microwave transformers, like the man said they are no joke and everybody is playing with them and sometimes when you play stupid games.....you get stupid prizes.
' when you play stupid games.....you get stupid prizes.' 🤭🤭😆😆🤣🤣
Led me to think
Path to ground is a big deal too.
Yea there’s wayyy too many idiots playing with microwaves, and they don’t understand how scarily dangerous they are, and since they watched some RUclips video on it, they think they’re fine to do it and then hilariously,
they do the “don’t do this at home, im a professional RUclipsr”.
like styro is one of the only RUclipsrs that I fully trust fucking with electricity, the rest scare the hell out of me
@@limitbreak2966 My microwave was arcing to the wave guide once... I could hear that classic bzzzz. It was a nice sound, but holy crap, scared the sh&t outta me. Replaced the wave guide, still sparking... Ended up bringing it to an electronics recycling centre and told them what was happening. As soon as I said "I wanted to take it apart but decided not to", the look of shock on the guys face alone was enough to tell me what I needed to know. He took some time to talk to me about microwaves and... Yeah they scary, glad he actually knew some stuff and didn't just chuck it in a pile.