I mentioned that the Dream '65 sounds the most like Ch. A (Normal) on the Deluxe, which may be true for the Reissue '65, but UA states in the manual: "The Dream '65 models only the Vibrato channel of the classic '65 amplifier. The Normal channel is not modeled." So, I feel like the Vibrato Channel on the reissue is too bright to be like the pedal, but the vintage amp they used must have been the happy medium of the two, and further explains some of the differences between the Dream pedal and the Reissue '65 amps. Anyone with some experience with the actual pedal feel free to elaborate! Thanks!
Honestly it’s so cathartic to hear you talk about the difference between tremolo and vibrato; this has been an absolute pet-peeve of mine for years! Thanks for pointing this out :)
One thing iv immediately noticed with my Dream '65 compared to my original Fender '65 Reverb (bought in 1977 with my late father) is how harmonically rich the pedal is!....of all the demos I have seen ...its never really mentioned at all. You did an exceptional task demoing it !!! ...Congrats!!! ....when I stacked a Euphoria pedal (by Wampler) in front of the Dream '65 ...it just opened up like nothing else!!!! ...it bloomed !!! ...I think the Euphoria pedal , with its 3 unique voicings, is one of the greatest pedals in the last decade!!! ...I have well over 100+ stomps ...been at this game for a very long time - the Dream '65 is heads higher then any pedal - amp pedal- anything similar!!!! ...its brilliant!!!!...be safe + superhero strong!...great job!
Agreed, I loved Ur take on black hole sun, but I think U may have listed its tab as Fell on black Days....I cld b wrong hvnt finished whole video yet, so mb U play both....
@@FkELONMUSK ha! I did, whoops. I did a cover of fell on black days with a friend of mine and the same time, wrong “black” title! Thanks for the heads up.
Another great demo from Scott. High end modeling in now well within the variance of actual vintage amps. In fact, lots of vintage amps--either from being used/stored in different environments or having been "repaired" with various replacement components--sound less similar to each other than the UA pedal does to Scott's personal amp. Th ethree different boosts can easily replace a EP3, a tube screamer, and a Klon or Klone, if money and/or pedal space is an issue.
Funny, I’ve been having the same thought about tube amps possibly being more variable from each other than the pedals are from any one tube amp. I had another device for a week that didn’t sound as good as the one I kept to me! And yeah, great point about the boosts.
I have a Dream ‘65 coming soon. I like how the TPS channel talks about that the digital emulation is just that - it’s not trying to be the amp itself. If it were, they’d just sell you the amp. Anyway, we’ve been using Iridiums in our band with great success. I’m excited to see what the UA stuff has to offer. TY for the excellent video.
I haven’t seen that TPS video, will check it out, thanks! I get that they’re emulating the way an amp sounds through a particular microphone, which is why I compared it to a device into an OX… the ox being that cab/mic half of the equation. I REALLY loved the iridium’s vox emulation… I miss that about it, and the fact that you can load your own IRs. Cheers, hope you love the Dream!
Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your comparison videos, Scott! My ears are similar to yours; I like dark guitar tone so much it gets lost in the mix.
For the price, assuming you’re a recording guitarist, the dream is by far my favorite amp alternative. I also have a Iridium, but pales in comparison to the Dream. (To my ear)
To my ears on clean stuff, they sound somehow similar although the deluxe has a fatter eq. From the edge of break tone onwards the Deluxe is in a league of his own. I think UA has a done a fine job, but as with many of the other modelers they don't seem to able recreate the softness of tubes when they began to "break". BTw very good video.
Yes.. The overdriven amp sounded great! But the dream was very close, but not magic. I wonder if putting the dream through a valve pre or tape would help?!
Your edge of break up has me really interested in a tele and Dream. I've had a couple of teles and the string wobble was intense. Should of had a proper set up before selling lol.
Yeah it's funny, i didn’t mention it but the treble acts differently between the amp and pedal… I perceive the pedal to be brighter, but presence and brightness are tangled of course.
Thank you for this really great demo! I know at my age it'll be more convenient to have a pedal rather a 15 or 20kg box to carry... But ! Defenetly the Amp some so great
I have a 1974 Silverface Deluxe Reverb that is just the best sounding amp. It's had a cap job and it has a WGS G-12C/S. Every time I play it out at least one person tries to buy it from me. I think the Dream is actually closer sounding to my amp than the real tube DRRI. The DRRI is so scooped it almost sounds more like a "direct" signal than the Dream. I actually bought a UA Ruby first but am not enjoying it that much. The quirkiness of those 60's voxes is I guess their charm and they certainly got the quirkiness in the box. But at the end of the day I guess I'm just a fender guy. This was a helpful demo, thank you.
I know you thought this about the 65 reissue, but that’s one of the things I couldn’t get along with about these pedals… many times they just sound like a direct input to me. Your amp sounds like a lot of fun!
Thanks Steve! Those are lollar black Bobbin jazzmasters… If you go to the black Bobbin website, that is the only place they are available, unless you find them used. Cheers!
Should mention, some of the JM sounds in this video is the middle position with the Neck pickup in reverse Phase. I wired what’s normally the rhythm circuit instead as Vol/Tone for the neck pickup (500k pots) and the slide switch reverses the phase on the neck pickup.
(Portuguese) - gostei dos vídeos, dá para notar que o dream 65 é praticamente idêntico ao reissue 65 amp, porém, notei que o reverb e tremolo no reissue têm mais presença, mais harmônicos .. e a frequência do agudo se destaca mais do que do dream 65. Também gostei que mostrou a sonoridade em guitarras diversificadas, principalmente as que não tem captadores humbucker, pois geralmente quem faz vídeos de fractal, quad cortex, tonex, normalmente está com guitarra com humbucker.
@@haskitt Hey man, I do a Royer R10 on the paper part of the cone / sm57 on the middle of the cone. Both mics to my Warm Audio WA412 then to my UA Apollo X6 into Pro-tools. The messed up part is that I already have an Origin Revival Drive which is amazing but I love that the Dream has I.R.s, reverb and trem built right in.
Hey, thank you so much for this. Great with a review without endless blues riffs. Superb choice of guitars and songs all the way. Have you tried to, or have you seen anyone, put the Dream '65 through an fx loop on an amp with the four cable mode?
Thanks for the nice comment! Glad you found it helpful. I tried this pedal with an Orange OR15 effects loop and it was the best Clean sound that amp ever had! I sold the orange, and don’t have an amp with a loop at the moment but that’s a great idea for a video. I haven’t looked to see if anyone has done this yet. Cheers!
@@haskitt You are welcome. Your content is really good and balanced. Good news with the loop test. For me, this is a really nice feature that should be explored more. I actually got hold of what seems to be one of the last Dream '65s in EU last night and will test it in the loop on my AC30 CC2. The amp has been modded to remove all the shrill stuff and sounds great. With a bit of luck I can hopefully have the best of both worlds with just the amp and the pedal.
As it is accurately modeled after a real 1965 DR, the UA/FX Dream '65 sounds much better to me than the re-issue DR "Vibrato" channel which is too thin and bright as you said. You mentioned getting more bass and treble from the Dream '65. than on the reissue DR. That is because the "Q" of the real 1965 DR's tone controls, which the Dream '65 is modeled after, is quite broad and extends farther than those of the reissue DR. This is true of virtually all Fender amps from the '50s tweeds to the late '60s Silverfaces. Using Fender tone controls properly is not always intuitive, but they are very versatile and effective once their quirks are learned. These days my fave guitar tones are "twangy", mostly clean and with as much character as I can get from my stuff. I'm a light-touch player and I mostly play a Gretsch Duo-Jet (Harrison model with Dynasonics), a 60th Anniversary '58 reissue Jazzmaster, and a real '62, thick-curve fingerboard Strat. I use always-on dual compression in series (Cali 76 into Xotic SP), and dual boosts in series, (Xotic EP into Nocturne "Atomic Brain"). I also occasionally use a Wampler Spring Reverb, a Catalinbread Bell Epoch Deluxe and a Tech 21 Q-Strip to tweak the tone to where I want it. These guitars are strung with very thin flatwound strings (.008 - .039, plain "G") which are terrific in every way, and which bring out the natural chime and sparkle of these guitars. I just bought a UA/FX "Rub" (Vox AC-30 modeler) and I'm loving it a lot. I am thinking of getting a Dream '65, but I can already get very Fenderish sounds from the Ruby with some EQ magic, so... Thanks for a very nicely done vid.
thanks ,,excellent demonstration...I can't choose for a long time ,,,today I decided in favor of Dream...I will order...with respect,,,subscribing to your channel.
Your actual DR’s normal channel sounded much brighter than the Dream (which is an old vibrato channel). Maybe these two just aren’t that comparable. Both sounded very nice tho, even if I had the itching to turn the Dream’s treble up a notch at times… Cheers, great work - I know it ain’t easy!
It’s funny, the treble on the actual Deluxe reverb is much smoother to me, so I was able to get it brighter than the dream, which to me sounded harsh if I brought up the treble more… So I was likely trying to balance a different treble frequency than you are hearing! As you said, not easy to balance all the variables! Cheers, thanks!
Theres a subtle but noticeable different in the attack and release of the pedal when comapred with the amp. The amp responds in a much more musical way. But im sure a good compression pedal in front of the dream would solve that problem
Great comparison. Seems to be a good piece of gear that "pedal". Good sounds thru different pickups. So interesting. And great to remember "Honey Bee"! Thanks a lot!
I just bought the Dream 65. It’s going to work for me, but there are things that are different than I expected. I have owned a 1963 Vibrolux, 1967 Princeton and early 1970s Twin Reverb. There is hardly any clean head room on the pedal. It starts breaking up at 2 on the volume. Does a real Deluxe Reverb do that? I want it to be clean longer. I sure wish the tremolo had a separate knob like a real amp. I wish there weren’t so many features like the boost and speaker IRs. Simpler is better. But the sounds are great. Several awesome presets in the app.
Nice demo!! The first thing i noticed was how clean the Dream stayed for you. Current owner of the Dream and mine will break up if i have the volume knob around 9o’clock. Using p90 lambertones ristrotto. Could it be the interface we’re using. Im using the UA volt 276 preamps all the down. Maybe its also the finger picking vs strumming.
Same issue here, to the point that while I think the tone is pretty good, I’m selling. (Currently watching vids to make sure there’s not something I’m missing.)
Absolutely amazing comparison, Scott. The best I've found comparing the Dream to an actual Deluxe Reverb (albeit reissue!) - Question, from a fellow Dream owner. I'm noticing throughout the vid that you have the volume (and output) set pretty high, at noon and above and I don't quite understand how you're keeping a clean tone on the Dream. Are the volume knobs on your guitars significantly rolled back through the vid? Or how are you recording the Dream exactly? When I do Dream into a DI out to my UAD Apollo Twin, from 9 o'clock up I'm already getting some pretty noticeable break up. Thanks in advance for your input!
It seems that way, but the EQ controls on both of these devices are in different frequency bands, so I can’t really match the eq with the pedal/amp alone… Would need to match it in the mix with a Sweepable mid and treble etc. The differences are Hard to iron out!
Great comparison thank you. Unlike another comparison I saw, here it seems the pedal and amp are on a level playing field in terms of the mic choice and placement. Of course the mic choices and placements can massively effect the tone. I am not aware if you mentioned what mic you used but it seems something that the comparisons I am seeing are not mentioning. Did you make an effort to emulate the emulator so to speak? i.e. fiddle with the micing to get it to be like the pedal? Anyhow, really helpful, I'll most probably get the pedal when I have a bit of cash to spare.
Hi, sound is great but how is the dynamic under the fingers ? That's is the big problem without a normal amp unfortunately.. I'm looking for something that can solve the problem without amplifier....
Is there something wrong with my dream? If I have the volume knob over 12 like he has, it would be distorting quite a bit, and not in a very pleasing way.
Demo is very well done. Thanks for posting. I have a Dream coming soon. It's not clear to me exactly how this was recorded and what we are hearing. Was the Dream plugged into a DAW? Was the amp miked? Are we hearing this through monitor speakers? Obviously, I'm not familiar with the recording process.
Awesome comparison! Listening through RUclips I had a hard time telling the difference. Maybe in person would be different, but wow! BTW, I have a Deluxe Tonemaster - I would like to know how those compare. I'm thinking I could ditch the Tonemaster with this pedal. The thing I wish it had is a headphone jack, that would make it killer for me to practice with. I'm just not sure the best way to use this to practice with. If I run it into an amp it will get colored and running it into the DAW is a pain if I just want to practice. Seems like I would need to get some kind of headphone amp. One thing I found confusing in the video was your use of the term channel A, channel B, etc. Would have made more sense if you had just called it "Normal" and "Vibrato" channels. BTW, what is that patch cord going from Normal to Vibrato on your Deluxe? Is that a mod?
Thanks for the comment! Good call on the Tonemaster… would be a fun comparison. Funny, I hadn’t thought about it too much with the channel names. For some reason I always think A and B… good suggestion for the future. As far as that cable, it just jumps the Normal channel into the Vibrato channel, for the purpose of having Reverb on the Normal channel without modding the amp. They are out of Phase, so you get some cool things happening with the signal Phase canceling in certain frequencies. Cheers!
Hey @javamon I have a Dream '65, and the way I use it to practice (play in a room without headphones) is to run it through a powered studio monitor. I use one PreSonus Eris E8 XT 8". Just run your 1/4" from the Dream '65 into the back of the Eris, and play. No DAW or separate pre-amp needed. You can play quiet, or make the monitor get plenty loud. Lot's of room presence; it's like playing in front of a cab.
I think on drive amp is way better. As a plugin buyer (S gear + Mixwave Benson Reverb) I wonder if it's a better choice to buy a tube preamp instead the uad device, because this object is very good stand alone but if have already got some good digital gear (as many people got) I think it's better choice to buy a more synergic device. (just bedroom player observation)
Yeah, certainly so many different ways to go to get convincing digital tone right now. I love having the option to take my at-home tones right to a gig without hassle. I hadn't heard of the Mixwave Benson stuff... downloading the trial right now! Cheers.
What threw me off the most in the beginning with using the Dream was exactly the EQ behaviour you describe: Turning up the treble affects way too many frequencies above the normal guitar frequency spectrum. I found my sweetspot now with bass/treble around 9 to 10 o'clock, otherwise it's just too scooped and bright. In addition, I am on the lead mod with a tiny amount of boost, so the modeled bright cap is removed. I much prefer a less scooped and darker tone as my pedal platform.
I bought and tried the Walrus ACS1, the Strymon Iridium and the Dream '65. I kept the Dream '65 and returned the ACS1 and the Iridium. It wasn't even close.
Some really nice tones here (and playing)! Was kinda surprised how high you have the VOLUME on the dream 65 and it's staying clean and you're not getting any break up?? Low output pickups or did you turn down the guitar volume? I have an AVRI tele, so vintage pups and I get break up from 10 o clock. Maybe it's the OX that keeps it cleaner?
How is your Dream on like 8 and barely breaking up? Mine starts breaking up at like 2 without any boost on. Are you rolling off the volume on the guitar? I'm playing a Jazzmaster and when I roll my volume off it feels like I lose a lot of tone.
Good question! I was re-amping from my daw and I think I may have run the reamp box it a little low. It didn’t change my perspective on either amp, fwiw. Seemed to respond basically the same.
Honestly there is barely any difference, I think the pedal is the way to go, more practical, cheaper… In a world with increasing inflation and uncertain times we need good gear at affordable prices. Many cannot afford to drop thousands on a real amp and many are not in a position to turn their amp up to where it sounds good. I’d take the dream any day of the week.
I have both.. the Dream is impressive, but the real amp is a vastly superior experience when you can get it up to at least 3 on the volume, ime. But the dream is great for those other times, or recording.
@@BadMofoMusicCritic To each their own! I like both and you really can't beat that real tube compression you get with a DR, but imo the Dream 65 is the better buy just because it's almost as good in terms of sound and to not go into much more detail, it's also way easier to own and to afford!
It sounds great man ( both ) . I wonder how the dream sounds through a powered monitor ( frfr ) for live . Will it gives you the live feel as playing through a real deluxe amp ?
I think it would do well enough for sure. I think the dividing factor for most people isn’t whether it responds like a real amp, but whether they like the relatively bright voicing of the pedal (like the vintage ones), or the thicker, darker voicing of the Deluxe Reverb reissues.
Bought this pedal and firmware updates must have changed some things. I can't even think about turning the volume past 9 o'clock. Distorts way early. Either that or you are running in through something else?
How the heck do you get that tube amp to have an output into the interface? I see amps all the time with no outputs being used with the UA Interface and I have no idea how?
The tone is very similar between pedal and amp…however I find modelers to be very “plucky” sounding and the amp sounds much smoother with a softer and more natural pick attack. This pedal seems pretty good though. I had iridium and needed to process the heck out of it to get it sounding good. Got a Princeton reverb instead
It'd be kinda neat if the trem arm *did* actuate volume, not pitch somehow. Just to see what you can do. The UA stuff gets me wondering what else they'll make. Now a marshall thing, if that's your idea of good sound. Probably a Boogie MK4 sooner or later.
I think we're finally to the point where it doesn't matter - a pedal into a computer or a mic in front of an amp. The difference is so small that this won't be the thing that makes or breaks your hot new track. A good idea on either is just about the same anymore.
Please tell me, how are you running the Dream with the volume and output that high and getting such a clean, not crackly sound? To maintain any sort of clean sound, I have to put the volume at 0 and output as low as possible. And still a lot of crackle.
It’s been a while since I had the pedal, but I was re-amping from logic in this video, BUT, I was consistently able to get this pedal to be clean plugged straight from the guitar with very reasonable controls. The bass and treble have to be cut quite a bit. I think one of the preamp settings was helpful as well.
I've been playing one of these for several months now, and i think the major issue with the dream seems to be that ua must have tamed the low mids in post... which is good to know, makes it less usable for recording without knowing... and not really usable live in many situations where you could use the fender. my speculation is it must have been a post decision of what it "needs" to make it plug and play on an amateur session.
Great video! I might have to pick up the Dream! I’m using a 2x12” Pro Reverb right now, and it is way too much amp. The Dream might be the way to go. What kind of recording interface are you using?
@@haskitt Gotcha! Have you heard any real benefit to running the Dream in stereo vs mono? I am curious if it would sound larger connected to an interface in stereo, especially with Strymon delays & reverbs connected in stereo before it.
@@JoshKotlar embarrassingly, I have only run it in mono. The manual says it runs the outputs in “true stereo”, but I don’t know if that means the Reverb is actually in stereo, or if the cabs with 2 mics come through in stereo, etc. they’re annoyingly ambiguous about what makes it true stereo. But yeah, stereo effects through it sounds fun! Maybe another vid.
I've just bought a UA Dream, Lovley! I hear a difference in the depth Fender 65 seeming to have a bit more presence but I also noticed that the bass and treble levels on the UA seem different to the Fender. It would be interesting to put an audio analyser on the amp and also the UA, set both bass and treble to flat and compare. Still.... it is the first time I've ever been able to put my amp into my guitar case 😀
The differences are very minimal. If you went out and got 3 or 4 Fender Deluxe amps, they would all sound slightly different from each other. I have a Quilter Superblock and it is close to a Fender amp too. In a recording, you could tell someone you used a Princeton or Deluxe and none would be able to tell.
Hi Scott. How are you? Hope it's not a dumb question and pls excuse my english. Where does the sound coming from when you play the Dream 65? what is the output? Monitors? Amp? Thanks.
Hi Davie, not a dumb question at all - I should have explained that more clearly in the video. I was coming out of the Dream 65 direct outputs right into my interface, so you're hearing as it sounds plugged direct. The deluxe was the same, because it was going through the OX, and plugged directly into my interface. Cheers!
It can be used as both… It has cabinet emulation on it to go direct into computer or mixer. You can also turn off the cabinet stimulation do it can be used as an effect unit before an amp.
@@haskitt Thanks for the reply, it seems a lot of these type of amp emulation pedals don't really have much practical use for a home player that doesn't do digital recording as your options would be to try to make an amp you already have sound like a 65 deluxe or buy a powered speaker at which point you will have spent enough money on the speaker and pedal to have bought a reissue 65 deluxe. I guess I have to get used to watching great gear reviews for gear that I don't really have a use for 🤣
@@HashiAkitaPuppy depends...if you have any kind of stereo system with an input possibility at home, you could connect the Dream 65 with it (might need some adapters though). Then you can plug in your guitar and play it either with speakers or headphones.
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I mentioned that the Dream '65 sounds the most like Ch. A (Normal) on the Deluxe, which may be true for the Reissue '65, but UA states in the manual: "The Dream '65 models only the Vibrato channel of the classic '65 amplifier. The Normal channel is not modeled." So, I feel like the Vibrato Channel on the reissue is too bright to be like the pedal, but the vintage amp they used must have been the happy medium of the two, and further explains some of the differences between the Dream pedal and the Reissue '65 amps. Anyone with some experience with the actual pedal feel free to elaborate! Thanks!
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One of the best comparison videos I've seen. Not only of the amp and pedal but also of those guitars and pickups. Thank you!
Cheers Adam, I appreciate the nice comment!
Honestly it’s so cathartic to hear you talk about the difference between tremolo and vibrato; this has been an absolute pet-peeve of mine for years! Thanks for pointing this out :)
😂 YES!
One thing iv immediately noticed with my Dream '65 compared to my original Fender '65 Reverb (bought in 1977 with my late father) is how harmonically rich the pedal is!....of all the demos I have seen ...its never really mentioned at all. You did an exceptional task demoing it !!! ...Congrats!!! ....when I stacked a Euphoria pedal (by Wampler) in front of the Dream '65 ...it just opened up like nothing else!!!! ...it bloomed !!! ...I think the Euphoria pedal , with its 3 unique voicings, is one of the greatest pedals in the last decade!!! ...I have well over 100+ stomps ...been at this game for a very long time - the Dream '65 is heads higher then any pedal - amp pedal- anything similar!!!! ...its brilliant!!!!...be safe + superhero strong!...great job!
thanks! it is very harmonically rich indeed!
Thank you so much! First video I saw that is not tainted with reverb/delay and I can hear the sound clearly.
Thanks Alen! Love Reverb and delay but it hides mistakes as well as it hides tonal subtleties. Cheers!
this is the best demo I have seen on this.
This was so helpful. Extremely well done demo. Thanks Scott!
Thanks Naresh, glad it was helpful!
Yup and mine is coming tomorrow! Can't wait!
Cool rendition of Black Hole Sun!
Thanks!
Agreed, I loved Ur take on black hole sun, but I think U may have listed its tab as Fell on black Days....I cld b wrong hvnt finished whole video yet, so mb U play both....
@@FkELONMUSK ha! I did, whoops. I did a cover of fell on black days with a friend of mine and the same time, wrong “black” title! Thanks for the heads up.
Another great demo from Scott. High end modeling in now well within the variance of actual vintage amps. In fact, lots of vintage amps--either from being used/stored in different environments or having been "repaired" with various replacement components--sound less similar to each other than the UA pedal does to Scott's personal amp. Th ethree different boosts can easily replace a EP3, a tube screamer, and a Klon or Klone, if money and/or pedal space is an issue.
Funny, I’ve been having the same thought about tube amps possibly being more variable from each other than the pedals are from any one tube amp. I had another device for a week that didn’t sound as good as the one I kept to me! And yeah, great point about the boosts.
Great video!
Thank you, cheers!
Super pedal for use it with pedalboard into PA! Sold my Fractal AX8 and buy it! Perfect!
I have a Dream ‘65 coming soon. I like how the TPS channel talks about that the digital emulation is just that - it’s not trying to be the amp itself. If it were, they’d just sell you the amp. Anyway, we’ve been using Iridiums in our band with great success. I’m excited to see what the UA stuff has to offer. TY for the excellent video.
I haven’t seen that TPS video, will check it out, thanks! I get that they’re emulating the way an amp sounds through a particular microphone, which is why I compared it to a device into an OX… the ox being that cab/mic half of the equation.
I REALLY loved the iridium’s vox emulation… I miss that about it, and the fact that you can load your own IRs. Cheers, hope you love the Dream!
The Dream sounds amazing... I have to get one
Best side by side comparison ever - thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your comparison videos, Scott! My ears are similar to yours; I like dark guitar tone so much it gets lost in the mix.
Thanks for the nice comment, and you’re welcome! Yeah my whole life… adding brightness so it works in the mix.
Beautiful guitars , awesome comparison demo!
Thanks!
For the price, assuming you’re a recording guitarist, the dream is by far my favorite amp alternative. I also have a Iridium, but pales in comparison to the Dream. (To my ear)
Hi Scott, nice comparison. I really enjoyed all the riffs and wee tunes..
To my ears on clean stuff, they sound somehow similar although the deluxe has a fatter eq. From the edge of break tone onwards the Deluxe is in a league of his own. I think UA has a done a fine job, but as with many of the other modelers they don't seem to able recreate the softness of tubes when they began to "break". BTw very good video.
yes, I agree... that softness is really what gets me about tubes. they get mean, but there's always something not so mean lurking in tube breakup.
Yes.. The overdriven amp sounded great! But the dream was very close, but not magic. I wonder if putting the dream through a valve pre or tape would help?!
@@bardsamok9221 Maybe.
Excellent video and playing Sir
Thanks. Waiting for the comparison of iridium vs UA Dream!
Scott, you did a good job 👍
Thanks Mato!
Nice video, I just made one with the 3 UAFX amp pedals, what I hear here is more depth and body in the actual amp.
Really well done video. Great audio quality audio!
Your edge of break up has me really interested in a tele and Dream. I've had a couple of teles and the string wobble was intense. Should of had a proper set up before selling lol.
The amp may have slightly more presence, but they sound incredibly close. The Dream is impressive, nuff said.
Yeah it's funny, i didn’t mention it but the treble acts differently between the amp and pedal… I perceive the pedal to be brighter, but presence and brightness are tangled of course.
Will adding EQ pedal after the 65 be able to emulate the presence?
hmmm I almost prefer the sound of the pedals on most of the demos personally.. thank you for doing this
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this proper comparison. You did an excellent job matching the tones. Instant sub.
Thank you for this really great demo! I know at my age it'll be more convenient to have a pedal rather a 15 or 20kg box to carry... But ! Defenetly the Amp some so great
The pedal sounds mix-ready against the amp. Also killer guitar collection 😮
nice comparison! and sweet guitar!
Thanks!
Amazing video
Excellent Demonstration 🎶🎸❤️
I have a 1974 Silverface Deluxe Reverb that is just the best sounding amp. It's had a cap job and it has a WGS G-12C/S. Every time I play it out at least one person tries to buy it from me. I think the Dream is actually closer sounding to my amp than the real tube DRRI. The DRRI is so scooped it almost sounds more like a "direct" signal than the Dream. I actually bought a UA Ruby first but am not enjoying it that much. The quirkiness of those 60's voxes is I guess their charm and they certainly got the quirkiness in the box. But at the end of the day I guess I'm just a fender guy. This was a helpful demo, thank you.
I know you thought this about the 65 reissue, but that’s one of the things I couldn’t get along with about these pedals… many times they just sound like a direct input to me. Your amp sounds like a lot of fun!
Well done video Scott. What are those pickups on that Jazzmaster? They sound amazing, love it! Steve
Thanks Steve! Those are lollar black Bobbin jazzmasters… If you go to the black Bobbin website, that is the only place they are available, unless you find them used. Cheers!
Should mention, some of the JM sounds in this video is the middle position with the Neck pickup in reverse Phase. I wired what’s normally the rhythm circuit instead as Vol/Tone for the neck pickup (500k pots) and the slide switch reverses the phase on the neck pickup.
@@haskitt Thanks for the info Scott, I really appreciate that... interesting!
(Portuguese) - gostei dos vídeos, dá para notar que o dream 65 é praticamente idêntico ao reissue 65 amp, porém, notei que o reverb e tremolo no reissue têm mais presença, mais harmônicos .. e a frequência do agudo se destaca mais do que do dream 65. Também gostei que mostrou a sonoridade em guitarras diversificadas, principalmente as que não tem captadores humbucker, pois geralmente quem faz vídeos de fractal, quad cortex, tonex, normalmente está com guitarra com humbucker.
Great video man. I'm planning on getting a dream 65 just so I can record my 65 reissue and the Dream in stereo!
Awesome! What’s your recording chain for the 65 reissue?
@@haskitt Hey man, I do a Royer R10 on the paper part of the cone / sm57 on the middle of the cone. Both mics to my Warm Audio WA412 then to my UA Apollo X6 into Pro-tools. The messed up part is that I already have an Origin Revival Drive which is amazing but I love that the Dream has I.R.s, reverb and trem built right in.
@@pariahgaming365 great setup!
Great comparison....
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Hey, thank you so much for this. Great with a review without endless blues riffs. Superb choice of guitars and songs all the way. Have you tried to, or have you seen anyone, put the Dream '65 through an fx loop on an amp with the four cable mode?
Thanks for the nice comment! Glad you found it helpful. I tried this pedal with an Orange OR15 effects loop and it was the best Clean sound that amp ever had! I sold the orange, and don’t have an amp with a loop at the moment but that’s a great idea for a video. I haven’t looked to see if anyone has done this yet. Cheers!
@@haskitt You are welcome. Your content is really good and balanced. Good news with the loop test. For me, this is a really nice feature that should be explored more. I actually got hold of what seems to be one of the last Dream '65s in EU last night and will test it in the loop on my AC30 CC2. The amp has been modded to remove all the shrill stuff and sounds great. With a bit of luck I can hopefully have the best of both worlds with just the amp and the pedal.
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As it is accurately modeled after a real 1965 DR, the UA/FX Dream '65 sounds much better to me than the re-issue DR "Vibrato" channel which is too thin and bright as you said.
You mentioned getting more bass and treble from the Dream '65. than on the reissue DR. That is because the "Q" of the real 1965 DR's tone controls, which the Dream '65 is modeled after, is quite broad and extends farther than those of the reissue DR. This is true of virtually all Fender amps from the '50s tweeds to the late '60s Silverfaces. Using Fender tone controls properly is not always intuitive, but they are very versatile and effective once their quirks are learned.
These days my fave guitar tones are "twangy", mostly clean and with as much character as I can get from my stuff. I'm a light-touch player and I mostly play a Gretsch Duo-Jet (Harrison model with Dynasonics), a 60th Anniversary '58 reissue Jazzmaster, and a real '62, thick-curve fingerboard Strat. I use always-on dual compression in series (Cali 76 into Xotic SP), and dual boosts in series, (Xotic EP into Nocturne "Atomic Brain"). I also occasionally use a Wampler Spring Reverb, a Catalinbread Bell Epoch Deluxe and a Tech 21 Q-Strip to tweak the tone to where I want it. These guitars are strung with very thin flatwound strings (.008 - .039, plain "G") which are terrific in every way, and which bring out the natural chime and sparkle of these guitars.
I just bought a UA/FX "Rub" (Vox AC-30 modeler) and I'm loving it a lot. I am thinking of getting a Dream '65, but I can already get very Fenderish sounds from the Ruby with some EQ magic, so...
Thanks for a very nicely done vid.
thanks ,,excellent demonstration...I can't choose for a long time ,,,today I decided in favor of Dream...I will order...with respect,,,subscribing to your channel.
Thanks Al, hope you like the Dream!
I can hear digital distortion in the ua pedal. Still is the best digital amp plugin i've ever heard.
Wow! Amps really do sound more 3d with full depth. Dream sounds nice!
I’m realizing the 3D-ness of the sound is actually at least partly the OX… foundations way to route the dream through it. working on a video now!
Your actual DR’s normal channel sounded much brighter than the Dream (which is an old vibrato channel). Maybe these two just aren’t that comparable. Both sounded very nice tho, even if I had the itching to turn the Dream’s treble up a notch at times…
Cheers, great work - I know it ain’t easy!
It’s funny, the treble on the actual Deluxe reverb is much smoother to me, so I was able to get it brighter than the dream, which to me sounded harsh if I brought up the treble more… So I was likely trying to balance a different treble frequency than you are hearing! As you said, not easy to balance all the variables! Cheers, thanks!
Theres a subtle but noticeable different in the attack and release of the pedal when comapred with the amp. The amp responds in a much more musical way. But im sure a good compression pedal in front of the dream would solve that problem
Great comparison. Seems to be a good piece of gear that "pedal". Good sounds thru different pickups. So interesting. And great to remember "Honey Bee"! Thanks a lot!
Yeah it’s hard to find fault in this pedal… and Honeybee is such a great gear tester riff! Cheers
Really nice video. I'd think the Dream would be slightly easier to accommodate in a mix but both sound fantastic.
Loved the Son Volt! :-)
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I just bought the Dream 65. It’s going to work for me, but there are things that are different than I expected. I have owned a 1963 Vibrolux, 1967 Princeton and early 1970s Twin Reverb. There is hardly any clean head room on the pedal. It starts breaking up at 2 on the volume. Does a real Deluxe Reverb do that? I want it to be clean longer. I sure wish the tremolo had a separate knob like a real amp. I wish there weren’t so many features like the boost and speaker IRs. Simpler is better. But the sounds are great. Several awesome presets in the app.
Nice demo!! The first thing i noticed was how clean the Dream stayed for you. Current owner of the Dream and mine will break up if i have the volume knob around 9o’clock. Using p90 lambertones ristrotto. Could it be the interface we’re using. Im using the UA volt 276 preamps all the down. Maybe its also the finger picking vs strumming.
Same issue here, to the point that while I think the tone is pretty good, I’m selling. (Currently watching vids to make sure there’s not something I’m missing.)
Maybe some higher-gauged strings?
Great comparison.Thanks. To me pedal sounds brighter and thiner. With amp I had a feeling of fullness and roundness in sound.
Totally agree. Cheers!
Absolutely amazing comparison, Scott. The best I've found comparing the Dream to an actual Deluxe Reverb (albeit reissue!) - Question, from a fellow Dream owner. I'm noticing throughout the vid that you have the volume (and output) set pretty high, at noon and above and I don't quite understand how you're keeping a clean tone on the Dream. Are the volume knobs on your guitars significantly rolled back through the vid? Or how are you recording the Dream exactly? When I do Dream into a DI out to my UAD Apollo Twin, from 9 o'clock up I'm already getting some pretty noticeable break up. Thanks in advance for your input!
Great shootout. It sounds to me that a slight EQ adjustment to the Dream would make them essentially indistinguishable from each other.
It seems that way, but the EQ controls on both of these devices are in different frequency bands, so I can’t really match the eq with the pedal/amp alone… Would need to match it in the mix with a Sweepable mid and treble etc. The differences are Hard to iron out!
Great comparison thank you. Unlike another comparison I saw, here it seems the pedal and amp are on a level playing field in terms of the mic choice and placement. Of course the mic choices and placements can massively effect the tone. I am not aware if you mentioned what mic you used but it seems something that the comparisons I am seeing are not mentioning. Did you make an effort to emulate the emulator so to speak? i.e. fiddle with the micing to get it to be like the pedal? Anyhow, really helpful, I'll most probably get the pedal when I have a bit of cash to spare.
Hi, sound is great but how is the dynamic under the fingers ? That's is the big problem without a normal amp unfortunately..
I'm looking for something that can solve the problem without amplifier....
The dynamic of the pedal under the fingers is good, but not quite as spongy as the amp. Perhaps a little colder/harder.
Great video and comparison. Would love to hear how they take pedals in front of them as well!
Take pedals awesome! Use it with pedalboard as clean channel. Boss OD2, Boss MT2, Boss HM. They all sounds cool through Dream 65:)
Is there something wrong with my dream? If I have the volume knob over 12 like he has, it would be distorting quite a bit, and not in a very pleasing way.
Same here. Applies to my Lion and Ruby, too. Never had trouble with my Iridium or ACS1.
That Jazzmaster sounds quite nice
Those are the Lollar Black Bobbin alnico 2 pickups… great low output set!
Demo is very well done. Thanks for posting. I have a Dream coming soon. It's not clear to me exactly how this was recorded and what we are hearing. Was the Dream plugged into a DAW? Was the amp miked? Are we hearing this through monitor speakers? Obviously, I'm not familiar with the recording process.
I subbed because of your version of Black Hole Sun!
Cheers, thank you!
Awesome comparison! Listening through RUclips I had a hard time telling the difference. Maybe in person would be different, but wow! BTW, I have a Deluxe Tonemaster - I would like to know how those compare. I'm thinking I could ditch the Tonemaster with this pedal. The thing I wish it had is a headphone jack, that would make it killer for me to practice with. I'm just not sure the best way to use this to practice with. If I run it into an amp it will get colored and running it into the DAW is a pain if I just want to practice. Seems like I would need to get some kind of headphone amp.
One thing I found confusing in the video was your use of the term channel A, channel B, etc. Would have made more sense if you had just called it "Normal" and "Vibrato" channels. BTW, what is that patch cord going from Normal to Vibrato on your Deluxe? Is that a mod?
Thanks for the comment! Good call on the Tonemaster… would be a fun comparison.
Funny, I hadn’t thought about it too much with the channel names. For some reason I always think A and B… good suggestion for the future. As far as that cable, it just jumps the Normal channel into the Vibrato channel, for the purpose of having Reverb on the Normal channel without modding the amp. They are out of Phase, so you get some cool things happening with the signal Phase canceling in certain frequencies.
Cheers!
Hey @javamon I have a Dream '65, and the way I use it to practice (play in a room without headphones) is to run it through a powered studio monitor. I use one PreSonus Eris E8 XT 8". Just run your 1/4" from the Dream '65 into the back of the Eris, and play. No DAW or separate pre-amp needed. You can play quiet, or make the monitor get plenty loud. Lot's of room presence; it's like playing in front of a cab.
I think on drive amp is way better. As a plugin buyer (S gear + Mixwave Benson Reverb) I wonder if it's a better choice to buy a tube preamp instead the uad device, because this object is very good stand alone but if have already got some good digital gear (as many people got) I think it's better choice to buy a more synergic device. (just bedroom player observation)
Yeah, certainly so many different ways to go to get convincing digital tone right now. I love having the option to take my at-home tones right to a gig without hassle. I hadn't heard of the Mixwave Benson stuff... downloading the trial right now! Cheers.
@@haskitt try the reverb of Benson and Milkman plugins.
What threw me off the most in the beginning with using the Dream was exactly the EQ behaviour you describe: Turning up the treble affects way too many frequencies above the normal guitar frequency spectrum. I found my sweetspot now with bass/treble around 9 to 10 o'clock, otherwise it's just too scooped and bright. In addition, I am on the lead mod with a tiny amount of boost, so the modeled bright cap is removed. I much prefer a less scooped and darker tone as my pedal platform.
I have a DRRI used as a pedal platform and treble/ bass are both on 3 most of the time. Sometimes lower. It’s a bright amp and does need tamed.
I bought and tried the Walrus ACS1, the Strymon Iridium and the Dream '65. I kept the Dream '65 and returned the ACS1 and the Iridium. It wasn't even close.
Does the reverb come with the dream pedal? I think the tone is all the same but the amp’s reverb makes it natural!
Some really nice tones here (and playing)! Was kinda surprised how high you have the VOLUME on the dream 65 and it's staying clean and you're not getting any break up?? Low output pickups or did you turn down the guitar volume? I have an AVRI tele, so vintage pups and I get break up from 10 o clock. Maybe it's the OX that keeps it cleaner?
Think though you were just running the Dream on it's own no OX stomp right?
On another note: which PUs are in that Novo? Sounds sweet 👌
Maaaan sounds siiiick, but question, this in compare of the simplifier (the new one) what would be better?
I love mine, enough that I got the 68 lion
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How is your Dream on like 8 and barely breaking up? Mine starts breaking up at like 2 without any boost on. Are you rolling off the volume on the guitar? I'm playing a Jazzmaster and when I roll my volume off it feels like I lose a lot of tone.
Good question! I was re-amping from my daw and I think I may have run the reamp box it a little low. It didn’t change my perspective on either amp, fwiw. Seemed to respond basically the same.
Did you connect thr dream 65 straight to your audio interface? If yes, which interface are you using?
Yes, connected direct with Apollo Duo Twin
Honestly there is barely any difference, I think the pedal is the way to go, more practical, cheaper… In a world with increasing inflation and uncertain times we need good gear at affordable prices. Many cannot afford to drop thousands on a real amp and many are not in a position to turn their amp up to where it sounds good. I’d take the dream any day of the week.
Yeah, good points. The pedal doesn’t require tubes/maintenance either.
I have both.. the Dream is impressive, but the real amp is a vastly superior experience when you can get it up to at least 3 on the volume, ime. But the dream is great for those other times, or recording.
@@BadMofoMusicCritic To each their own! I like both and you really can't beat that real tube compression you get with a DR, but imo the Dream 65 is the better buy just because it's almost as good in terms of sound and to not go into much more detail, it's also way easier to own and to afford!
@@s0da.-. more affordable and convenient in many respects, yes. But it’s a modeller. When i can, i much prefer the real thing. Apples to oranges.
Me too
It sounds great man ( both ) . I wonder how the dream sounds through a powered monitor ( frfr ) for live . Will it gives you the live feel as playing through a real deluxe amp ?
I think it would do well enough for sure. I think the dividing factor for most people isn’t whether it responds like a real amp, but whether they like the relatively bright voicing of the pedal (like the vintage ones), or the thicker, darker voicing of the Deluxe Reverb reissues.
Bought this pedal and firmware updates must have changed some things. I can't even think about turning the volume past 9 o'clock. Distorts way early. Either that or you are running in through something else?
What amp and at what settings are you playing the Dream through?
What are you playing the Dream 65 through? Does it work as a Direct input?
How the heck do you get that tube amp to have an output into the interface? I see amps all the time with no outputs being used with the UA Interface and I have no idea how?
What preamp are you using? My Dream’s output is super low so I run it into my Audioscape 1290 and it sounds freakin amazing.
The tone is very similar between pedal and amp…however I find modelers to be very “plucky” sounding and the amp sounds much smoother with a softer and more natural pick attack. This pedal seems pretty good though. I had iridium and needed to process the heck out of it to get it sounding good. Got a Princeton reverb instead
Run it through a neve 73 eq pre or any other warm tube pre and take that to your daw … will smooth that right out
It'd be kinda neat if the trem arm *did* actuate volume, not pitch somehow. Just to see what you can do.
The UA stuff gets me wondering what else they'll make. Now a marshall thing, if that's your idea of good sound. Probably a Boogie MK4 sooner or later.
I think we're finally to the point where it doesn't matter - a pedal into a computer or a mic in front of an amp. The difference is so small that this won't be the thing that makes or breaks your hot new track. A good idea on either is just about the same anymore.
Please tell me, how are you running the Dream with the volume and output that high and getting such a clean, not crackly sound? To maintain any sort of clean sound, I have to put the volume at 0 and output as low as possible. And still a lot of crackle.
It’s been a while since I had the pedal, but I was re-amping from logic in this video, BUT, I was consistently able to get this pedal to be clean plugged straight from the guitar with very reasonable controls. The bass and treble have to be cut quite a bit. I think one of the preamp settings was helpful as well.
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Such a brilliant song… amazes me how it works so well with just bass notes and melody. Cheers!
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I've been playing one of these for several months now, and i think the major issue with the dream seems to be that ua must have tamed the low mids in post... which is good to know, makes it less usable for recording without knowing... and not really usable live in many situations where you could use the fender. my speculation is it must have been a post decision of what it "needs" to make it plug and play on an amateur session.
Great video! I might have to pick up the Dream! I’m using a 2x12” Pro Reverb right now, and it is way too much amp. The Dream might be the way to go.
What kind of recording interface are you using?
Thanks Josh! I’m going mono, straight into the 1/4” unbalanced hi-z input on my Apollo Duo Twin.
@@haskitt Gotcha! Have you heard any real benefit to running the Dream in stereo vs mono?
I am curious if it would sound larger connected to an interface in stereo, especially with Strymon delays & reverbs connected in stereo before it.
@@JoshKotlar embarrassingly, I have only run it in mono. The manual says it runs the outputs in “true stereo”, but I don’t know if that means the Reverb is actually in stereo, or if the cabs with 2 mics come through in stereo, etc. they’re annoyingly ambiguous about what makes it true stereo. But yeah, stereo effects through it sounds fun! Maybe another vid.
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Much more natural low end and bloom on the real amp. But hey, its to be expected. The pedal is not bad at all though.
16:00, is this cover of something?
Yes! “Route“ by Son Volt… I have significantly less breakup than the song has on this part.
@@haskitt thanks! Nice song.
UAD sounding very close to fender deluxe… only AMP is sounding more smooth mid sections. Which I have felt .
I've just bought a UA Dream, Lovley! I hear a difference in the depth Fender 65 seeming to have a bit more presence but I also noticed that the bass and treble levels on the UA seem different to the Fender. It would be interesting to put an audio analyser on the amp and also the UA, set both bass and treble to flat and compare. Still.... it is the first time I've ever been able to put my amp into my guitar case 😀
The differences are very minimal. If you went out and got 3 or 4 Fender Deluxe amps, they would all sound slightly different from each other.
I have a Quilter Superblock and it is close to a Fender amp too.
In a recording, you could tell someone you used a Princeton or Deluxe and none would be able to tell.
I have super block aswell . Im wondering wether its worth getting the ua dream aswell. The direct out, nearly as good as ua dream?
Uncle Tupelo, right?
Ah, close!! Route by Son Volt.
I don't think there is a better comparison on yt.
Hi Scott. How are you? Hope it's not a dumb question and pls excuse my english. Where does the sound coming from when you play the Dream 65? what is the output? Monitors? Amp?
Thanks.
Hi Davie, not a dumb question at all - I should have explained that more clearly in the video. I was coming out of the Dream 65 direct outputs right into my interface, so you're hearing as it sounds plugged direct. The deluxe was the same, because it was going through the OX, and plugged directly into my interface. Cheers!
This is used how? As an effects pedal or only as a DI to a computer or mixing board?
It can be used as both… It has cabinet emulation on it to go direct into computer or mixer. You can also turn off the cabinet stimulation do it can be used as an effect unit before an amp.
In this video I’m only using it as DI into the computer
@@haskitt Thanks for the reply, it seems a lot of these type of amp emulation pedals don't really have much practical use for a home player that doesn't do digital recording as your options would be to try to make an amp you already have sound like a 65 deluxe or buy a powered speaker at which point you will have spent enough money on the speaker and pedal to have bought a reissue 65 deluxe. I guess I have to get used to watching great gear reviews for gear that I don't really have a use for 🤣
@@HashiAkitaPuppy depends...if you have any kind of stereo system with an input possibility at home, you could connect the Dream 65 with it (might need some adapters though). Then you can plug in your guitar and play it either with speakers or headphones.
Hi! Can I just plug in the dream direct to Apollo, will it sound good? Thanks! By the way this is the firsy demo that uad dream sounds decent 👍
Hi, yes it will sound great plugged direct into apollo! Cheers, thanks for the comment!
@@haskitt Thanks! I found it on sale can’t wait!
Son Volt!