Yeah, there were also synths. Penelope’s instrument is a violin. There were little to no violins in her part so we knew it wasn’t her. Another thing is that synths are usually played when a supernatural force is around.
@@CyrahLia_459Not so sure Scylla was gonna be happy about recieving six rotten corpses, sea travel takes a long time, besides they are a nymph of sorts just like she was.
No Jorge released a part of scylla, and we heard part of thunder bringer (at least for me I honestly have not heard anything from suffering and different beast, but that might just be me)
Scylla is even telling him "We're lonely demons from hell, and you're a monster just like me for sacrificing your men" All of her lines sink into Odysseus and his second. Pushing his second to confess, and for Odysseus to make the call to randomly select 6 men to die so they could escape.
Also, why cut tails specifically? Well, Oddy is no canibal... Siren is half fish after all, and he told to throw only the human parts, you know... "We are the one who feast now"💀
The fan theory is that Polities kept track of the calendar for the crew (so he would know when everyone's birthday was!). Since he died no one has been keeping track and Odysseus is just guessing at this point.
@@Valfara770 They have had the misfortune of getting caught in the crossfire between harpies and mermaids. And now a days they get associated more with the older evil aspects mermaids used to have.
They weren't mixed up with mermaids in pop culture, sirens and mermaids are different creatures (as a Spanish I must say that both are called the same in my language, but they are still different creatures, and one only has to search for them to see the differences), fish sirens are actually beings of legend and folklore too, there are also different "vampires", other creatures in other ancient legends and folklore being some even older that have similar traits like drinking blood, which is the most recognizable one, even though they don't have a similar appearance and aren't really the creatures that we call "vampires", the same happens with sirens, many times there are similar creatures or at least creatures that share certain similar traits that aren't really the same, definitely not in appearance, this is what happens with sirens, the bird sirens aren't the "true" sirens, more so taking into account that they are mythological monsters, they are creatures that are a part of greek mythology specifically and fish sirens are just as true, beings that are part of other mythologies, legends and folklore, one far more wide and expanded around the world, they are both similar creatures in terms of abilities and as such called the same and taken as the same creatures but they are not the same in appearance and as such not really the same creatures, more so taking into account that they belong to different legends and cultures, but that does not mean that one is "true" and the other is "false" since both were born from different things and throughts, people got to be really scared of fish sirens too when they went to the sea, they are simply similar but at the same time different creatures of different legends, stories and folklore, but while bird sirens stayed in the background and are only in greek mythology fish sirens expanded around the world and are the ones considered the sirens always today in general, more so taking into account that there are other famous mythological creatures in our world known as harpies that are very similar to bird sirens in appearance
@Valfara770 if you want to stretch it, you could interpret it as Oddysseus saying to cut off their tail feathers, rendering them unable to fly, therefore unable to get out of the water, which then ties into the next line "let them drown". Makes more sense that way too, cause how would mermaids drown?
About the 12 or 10 years thing, in the actual Odyssey it was 12 years at that point, but Epic the musical didn't really justify 2 extra years had passed since the Trojan War (although it's not implausible). So it was meant to be 10 years in There Are Other Ways, but since they made an oopsie Jorge basically said to make up whatever headcannon we want about those extra 2 years.
Honestly you could just say that between some of the saga’s there has been enough sailing time that passed to be at least 2 years. I don’t think it’s that hard to explain away.
I love how all reactors "passam pano" (defend Odi) at the begginig... and then when he says to cut off their tails and let them drown... everyone's like... "uhm, ok, we were on the same page until one second ago" LOL
If I’m remembering correctly, in Greek mythology Sirens are fated to die when a ship hears their song and passes by unharmed, so simply killing them, let alone cutting off their tails and letting them drown, feels a little gratuitous. Odysseus really went extra for this
Yes, on there are other ways Jorge made a mistake on the numbers and no one caught it. He accidentally said 12 instead of 10. He made a tiktok about it, but he just had to roll with it because well, the other song is already released so he can't backtrack now and say 10. Saying about 12 years or so is like a cover up of sorts
Ok everyone is all, "wow that's brutal" about him throwing them back into the water to drown, but I think most people miss the fact that that is litterally their own MO, sirens lure sailors overboard and drown them, he gave them the fate they would have given him.
Yeah the way the sirens were treated was cruel, but it was also pretty efficient all things considered. Odysseus has truly embraced that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.
Great to see another kiwi fan of Epic! I've been trying to get friends and family into it since the Ocean saga released, but sadly very little success so far.
It's crazy, odysseus doesn't even realize he's becoming more of a monster than being ruthless. He could've killed them quickly but he specifically made his men cut off their tails and let them drown. A horrible way to die. I mean I don't blame him
Glad to see a reaction uploaded this early, but yeah Odysseus is for sure a lot more brutal than before. Like in Survive and Remember Them I was fully rooting for the crew but I kinda just felt bad here when he was saying to let them drown and kill them all
The general theory for the 12 years line is the crew not knowing how long they've been going home, since Polites was the one who kept track of the calender
I don't understand why so many people are reacting to the story and not the actual music. The Odyssey is OLD like INSANELY old and that's the story/poem/books (whatever you want to call them) that the musical is taken from, it's not just some madeup story using greek mythology characters (though I guess that's technically what the actual story is). I see comments about people saying "wonder what X meant by this" in the older songs or "can't wait to know what he does next" like seriously has nobody read the insanely popular and amazing piece of literature that is The Odyssey
This is a new adaptation and a new interpretation of an old story, the original Odissey is not a love story and it doesn't follow the mercy/ruthlesness motif.
@@benjaminrecalde7628 Yes but a lot of the plot points are accurate to the story especially the ones people are shocked about. Like “a palace covered in red faces of men who long believed you’re dead” is obviously when he killed all the suitors but people are still shocked by it
The 12 long years thing was a nod to the way Jay got it wrong 😭 basically on accident instead of saying 10 long years he said 12 instead but in the odyssey it makes sense especially since in the actual poem he spent a fair amount of time at circes abd at sea which explains the extra years but in the musical it was just a mistake that he was talking about as a little nod and an inside joke, additionally it does cover his mistake bc it allows us to take odysseus' words more as an off the cusp statement over the truth creating the ambiguity:)
Where are your other reactions, though? Are they only Pateon? Or have you not reacted before until now? I can only see thunder saga, and the new versions of Troy Saga and cyclops saga reactions. But other than that great reaction, I love it so much finally, someone reacted to this as early as possible! Also, when is the last three songs reaction?
The little detail that they open with Penelope's motif, but not her instrument...
Yeah, there were also synths. Penelope’s instrument is a violin. There were little to no violins in her part so we knew it wasn’t her. Another thing is that synths are usually played when a supernatural force is around.
When I first heard it i was so confused. (The challenge is my fav song) I was like WHERE IS THE VIOLIN?!
@@ChaosQueen1575Penelope's instrument is the viola, not the violin
@@lauras.3863true that!
"We should spare them because they're amazing singers!"
Yeah,Considering they're sirens, That's the issue
I mean….if Scylla likes sea food it might’ve been good to save six of them…
@nothri
OMG- WAIT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE WORKED- HE COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE REST OF THE SAGA! NOOOO-
@@CyrahLia_459Not so sure Scylla was gonna be happy about recieving six rotten corpses, sea travel takes a long time, besides they are a nymph of sorts just like she was.
@@juanjogrimaldos7463I doubt her six heads would care since shes not in control of those anyway
@@CyrahLia_459 No, they would have had to have their ears blocked for the entire time.
Fun fact! Suffering and Different Beast are like. the only two songs we have never heard any snippets for up till this point!
2 months ago someone found a snippet of suffering and decided to put it in an Epic cut songs playlist lmfao
I’m sure there r probably other songs but still
No Jorge released a part of scylla, and we heard part of thunder bringer (at least for me I honestly have not heard anything from suffering and different beast, but that might just be me)
Odysseus promised himself to be a ruthless monster from now on, and he took that to heart...
Scylla is even telling him "We're lonely demons from hell, and you're a monster just like me for sacrificing your men" All of her lines sink into Odysseus and his second. Pushing his second to confess, and for Odysseus to make the call to randomly select 6 men to die so they could escape.
he the monster rawr rawr
Man is NOT greeting the world with open arms.
Also, why cut tails specifically? Well, Oddy is no canibal... Siren is half fish after all, and he told to throw only the human parts, you know...
"We are the one who feast now"💀
@@hitogami5827 While that's definitely, utterly gross, it really wouldn't be the weirdest stuff people ate in greek mythology...
I was like "nobody would have reacted to this already huh😞" im glad i was wrong🤣😍
Mood.
Same!
Same
Same
Tbh me too I was hoping that someone would already react to it in 5:13 am plus I'm in the Philippines
The transition between these two was wild in the live, it comes out of nowhere lol
i didn’t even realize that they’re two songs because the transition is so good and unexpected
Ikr! I had to listen to them side by side twice just to figure out where the cut to the next song was 😂
The fan theory is that Polities kept track of the calendar for the crew (so he would know when everyone's birthday was!). Since he died no one has been keeping track and Odysseus is just guessing at this point.
Fun fact sirens in Greek mythology are half bird half lady but have been mixed up with mermaids in pop culture
Thank you! I wasn't sure myself but thought "Tails? Aren't sirens supposed to look like harpies and not mermaids?" So I was right!
Yeah I was confused about that.
@@Valfara770 They have had the misfortune of getting caught in the crossfire between harpies and mermaids. And now a days they get associated more with the older evil aspects mermaids used to have.
They weren't mixed up with mermaids in pop culture, sirens and mermaids are different creatures (as a Spanish I must say that both are called the same in my language, but they are still different creatures, and one only has to search for them to see the differences), fish sirens are actually beings of legend and folklore too, there are also different "vampires", other creatures in other ancient legends and folklore being some even older that have similar traits like drinking blood, which is the most recognizable one, even though they don't have a similar appearance and aren't really the creatures that we call "vampires", the same happens with sirens, many times there are similar creatures or at least creatures that share certain similar traits that aren't really the same, definitely not in appearance, this is what happens with sirens, the bird sirens aren't the "true" sirens, more so taking into account that they are mythological monsters, they are creatures that are a part of greek mythology specifically and fish sirens are just as true, beings that are part of other mythologies, legends and folklore, one far more wide and expanded around the world, they are both similar creatures in terms of abilities and as such called the same and taken as the same creatures but they are not the same in appearance and as such not really the same creatures, more so taking into account that they belong to different legends and cultures, but that does not mean that one is "true" and the other is "false" since both were born from different things and throughts, people got to be really scared of fish sirens too when they went to the sea, they are simply similar but at the same time different creatures of different legends, stories and folklore, but while bird sirens stayed in the background and are only in greek mythology fish sirens expanded around the world and are the ones considered the sirens always today in general, more so taking into account that there are other famous mythological creatures in our world known as harpies that are very similar to bird sirens in appearance
@Valfara770 if you want to stretch it, you could interpret it as Oddysseus saying to cut off their tail feathers, rendering them unable to fly, therefore unable to get out of the water, which then ties into the next line "let them drown". Makes more sense that way too, cause how would mermaids drown?
Politese carried the calendar confirmed
Leave the poor guy alone, he's been suffering for 12 long years :(
The Thunder saga is just Ody tweaking out for 20 mins and I love it 😂
About the 12 or 10 years thing, in the actual Odyssey it was 12 years at that point, but Epic the musical didn't really justify 2 extra years had passed since the Trojan War (although it's not implausible). So it was meant to be 10 years in There Are Other Ways, but since they made an oopsie Jorge basically said to make up whatever headcannon we want about those extra 2 years.
Honestly you could just say that between some of the saga’s there has been enough sailing time that passed to be at least 2 years. I don’t think it’s that hard to explain away.
Honestly, the way they approached certain circumstances could have added more time.
Jorge intentionally hid these two song so nobody knew anything about them. He successfully built hype and delivered.
Yes, Jalapeño was wrong about the years and said "Well I screwed up once, let's say it was 12 years"
Honestly I like to think that Odysseus is just guessing each time
I think the line is funny because it makes it sound like Odesseyus doesn’t actually know the years
This time it was 12 years because in the odyssey he spent 2 years at Circe palace
@@PineMountainMinstrelOfficial I mean, it works as an excuse, but the reality is that jalapeño screwed up jsjsjs
@@MusicalsOnMyMind It is, but it makes me laugh how jalapeño forgot that it was 10 and not 12 years and he completely screwed up
I love how all reactors "passam pano" (defend Odi) at the begginig... and then when he says to cut off their tails and let them drown... everyone's like... "uhm, ok, we were on the same page until one second ago" LOL
Man is NOT greeting the world with open arms.
🤣🤣🤣
Damn, Jorge really went and made Ody pull a "sharkfin hunting" on the sirens, sh*ts f*cked up.
If I’m remembering correctly, in Greek mythology Sirens are fated to die when a ship hears their song and passes by unharmed, so simply killing them, let alone cutting off their tails and letting them drown, feels a little gratuitous. Odysseus really went extra for this
*ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves…*
@@ChaosQueen1575 Yeahhhhh but it was unnecessary.
@@RogueAngel97 well Jorge wanted to show that ody REALLY became the monster 🤷♀️
I'm sure he was working out some issues during 'different beast'.
8:43 you know ody is tucking his hair in his ear lol😂
So glad someone already reacted so we can suffer together!
Mutiny was such a good twist 😮
Guys I think she might like naruto
You think?
Just a little bit 🤷♀️
What makes you say that
I never would have gotten that idea.
Nah, that's totally Bleach.
Anna’s voice is SO gorgeous, I’m so happy we got a song with her already!! I’m so goddamn excited for when we actually get to meet Penelope properly
He is a different beast now. He is the one who feasts now ...
And it seems Siren Tail is on the menu.
This saga is indeed slaying, like Odysseus in war.
I’m going to need the rest of the thunder saga right now.
I’ve just posted it ☺️
@@thebookbatcave watching as we speak! I was shook at Scylla too
Yes, on there are other ways Jorge made a mistake on the numbers and no one caught it. He accidentally said 12 instead of 10. He made a tiktok about it, but he just had to roll with it because well, the other song is already released so he can't backtrack now and say 10. Saying about 12 years or so is like a cover up of sorts
Ok everyone is all, "wow that's brutal" about him throwing them back into the water to drown, but I think most people miss the fact that that is litterally their own MO, sirens lure sailors overboard and drown them, he gave them the fate they would have given him.
Yeah the way the sirens were treated was cruel, but it was also pretty efficient all things considered. Odysseus has truly embraced that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.
You experience addictive musical songs the same way I do, and it makes your reactions extra wonderful to watch! ✨ Thank you for sharing with us.
Great to see another kiwi fan of Epic!
I've been trying to get friends and family into it since the Ocean saga released, but sadly very little success so far.
Calling odysseus ody is now cannon in the EPIC universe 😂
Your reactions are so good 😭
Going from
Yesss Odysseus kill those sirens, you have to see your wife, to
🧍♀️ Okay that’s a little brutal
I half agreed and half wanted to die when you kept stopping after every damn line with the start of Suffering. LIKE LET IT PLAY BUT I GET IT. 😂
Jumping from Troy from Thunder is actually insane
It's crazy, odysseus doesn't even realize he's becoming more of a monster than being ruthless. He could've killed them quickly but he specifically made his men cut off their tails and let them drown. A horrible way to die. I mean I don't blame him
The whole time I was laughing and being all smug cuz I knew you weren’t prepared for the plot twists and everything 😂😂😂
I was just waiting for you to realize the twist.
Lol
Great video! And yes! The 12 king years was supposed to be 10 lol!
It should be at least 11 if we're going by the myths since he spent a year with Circe
@@James-nr2hiyea it did end up working out in their favor later ,and also made some cool fan theories :)
@@THEtactocalRoach true
@@James-nr2hiand the year of no wind, where the Greeks were stranded after mustering at Sparta (or Mycene cannot remember which) to go to Troy.
Glad to see a reaction uploaded this early, but yeah Odysseus is for sure a lot more brutal than before. Like in Survive and Remember Them I was fully rooting for the crew but I kinda just felt bad here when he was saying to let them drown and kill them all
when you listen to the prophet talk he tells the next events in the songs
A song of past romance
Dude I had all the same reaction 😂😂
15:16 yes that is true Jorge has said so himself.
You are correct, it's supposed to be 10 years. Jorge made a joke about it in a youtube short a while back.
me trying to name as many series as i can in the back as you fangirl every other second in the front wasnt on my bingo card for today.
The general theory for the 12 years line is the crew not knowing how long they've been going home, since Polites was the one who kept track of the calender
I love epic the musical so much these songs were just magical really its all soo great
I don't understand why so many people are reacting to the story and not the actual music. The Odyssey is OLD like INSANELY old and that's the story/poem/books (whatever you want to call them) that the musical is taken from, it's not just some madeup story using greek mythology characters (though I guess that's technically what the actual story is). I see comments about people saying "wonder what X meant by this" in the older songs or "can't wait to know what he does next" like seriously has nobody read the insanely popular and amazing piece of literature that is The Odyssey
This is a new adaptation and a new interpretation of an old story, the original Odissey is not a love story and it doesn't follow the mercy/ruthlesness motif.
Yes, I’ve read the Odyssey. This is a completely different adaptation; the majority of these events were modified by Jay.
@@benjaminrecalde7628 Yes but a lot of the plot points are accurate to the story especially the ones people are shocked about. Like “a palace covered in red faces of men who long believed you’re dead” is obviously when he killed all the suitors but people are still shocked by it
The 12 long years thing was a nod to the way Jay got it wrong 😭 basically on accident instead of saying 10 long years he said 12 instead but in the odyssey it makes sense especially since in the actual poem he spent a fair amount of time at circes abd at sea which explains the extra years but in the musical it was just a mistake that he was talking about as a little nod and an inside joke, additionally it does cover his mistake bc it allows us to take odysseus' words more as an off the cusp statement over the truth creating the ambiguity:)
Making the sirens die the same way their victims die...
zwist did the cover art for the thunder saga i believe
@@BlazeIsEpic hello here
Ughhh it’s just so good 😭
Penelope here!! You make my head so big like be my bestie girl haha 😅💖🤩
@@musicannalea wait stop ✋ your voice is absolutely stunning!!! I can’t wait to hear the rest of your songs from Epic
Where are your other reactions, though? Are they only Pateon? Or have you not reacted before until now? I can only see thunder saga, and the new versions of Troy Saga and cyclops saga reactions. But other than that great reaction, I love it so much finally, someone reacted to this as early as possible! Also, when is the last three songs reaction?
I’ve only just started the channel so these are the first reactions. I’ve also just posted the reaction to the last 3 songs in the Thunder Saga!
Can we videocall and just squeal over EPIC PLEASE!?!?! YOU AND I LITERALLY FANGIRL THE SAME WAY 😭
It is 10 years, not 12 😂
10 years of war, the journey home (in progress) is taking a few years more
It’s 12 now lol. One small mistake in there are other ways caused this.
Time passed between islands. They weren’t exactly just days of sailing apart.
✨tWeLvE lOnG yEaRs✨
The video explaining it was so funny 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Is this her first video or did I missed some :)
Love her reactions
Your channel only has your thunder saga reactions... where are your other videos?
12:33 killed me 😂
I think Polites was keeping track of how long time’s passed during the Trojan war, and now that he’s gone They don’t know how long times past
i am new here and i saw chatnoir's oicture INSTANTLY SUBCRIBING AND EPIC FAN AND MLB OMG
When will the next part come out?
We don’t know.
@@alisond929 ok
Probably labor day
I’ve just uploaded it 😊
but reactions, good comments, and good discussions.
random, but the seido team on your wall
Odysseus crashing out
New sub! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️❤
Where is the rest?
Just uploaded 😊
Poseidon not afreyd from Scylla this write for the musical
omg i love this but just so you know… the title says “different monster” instead of “different beast”
Forgot to say thank you 🙏