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The weirdest thing about this cult is/was Gwen’s hair. As she wasted away, the hair got bigger and bigger and wilder and wilder. When she was killed, I thought the hair would take over as leader.
@JohnRiversOfficial. Whether he is, or not, has zero bearing on his lack of emotion to his mother's death. Maybe you just refuse to believe that she so psychologically damaged her own children in her lust for power, control and wealth, that this is the result. Gwen, like other cult leaders, are nothing but wolves in sheep's clothing. Just evil to the core.
Yes! When my verbally and physically abusive narcissistic mother died I was pushing 60. My sister, the Golden Child finally realized that she was but an object to be manipulated for feeding mom's insatiable vortex of greed and need, gave me the news of Mommy Dearest's passing with less emotion than most would experience with the death of their goldfish. "your (it was never "our") mother died." I was the scapegoat and was the recipient of most of her abuse. I felt NOTHING. Neither did any of my three siblings. Not one tear was shed. No sadness, no relief, just comfortably numb. Oh well, Mom's in a better place now. Yeah, she's dead; her cremains reside in a back corner of an unused closet, housed in a battered cardboard box. Unwep't, unhonored, unsung.
@@scottdelong1 1000 dittos! My mom isn't dead yet but I'm the black sheep and she NEVER lets me forget. When she discusses my grandparents it's always her parents. When she discusses my dad it's always Billy. When she let us know we have different dads and my sis met her new family, I asked about her other siblings and was told "it doesn't matter. They are of no relation to you." I was uninvited from the Hawaii wedding at the last minute to watch her cats and given a pair of used German sewing scissors they bought for her dress as a gift. I was asked to make a post wedding gift for my sister from my mom using objects they brought back from Hawaii. Oh but I was rude for not being more excited to see her new sisters IN THE WEDDING and they brought friends! 😂 You probably already no of her but Dr Ramani has a channel on YT entirely based on recovering from narcissistic aabuse. She's really saved my life! Now I know exactly how to not fall for her games. But now I'm not as much fun to play with so she only talks to me when she absolutely has to or my sister is out of town 😂
It’s very shocking!! I met Gwen and Elizabeth several years ago and I noticed right away that Gwen was really screwy but Elizabeth was pretty normal and sweet. Seeing her now, it’s really scary and she needs help. Unfortunately, since she is brainwashed, she probably won’t. 😢
She looks extremely thin...anorexic or bulimic. She also looks like walking death with that "Goth" look she wears...very creepy vibes. How can people be deceived into following someone like her? I'm glad her brother got out of the CULT...and it is definitely a CULT!
@@Karmaisabreez Very much a victim. I just hope for her kids sake who already lost one parent. She gets the help she needs. The generational trauma needs to end.
She also had a child die of SIDs and it was never acknowledged. I dont even remember if they have a funeral/memorial for the baby in the church. From what i remember in the doc on HBO, it was very frowned upon to even mention the passing.
I went to this church once, I live near it and it was always known as the creepy cult church that everyone was curious about but put off by the reputation. I decided to go to a service with the excuse to my family/friends that I had the chance to write a paper for one of my college courses about it. It was WEIRD. She sounded like a complete and utter moron and would have to look up the most basic Bible verses, then spin that into some super generic rambling message that anyone could make up. But I just thought that was funny, the congregation was what creeped me out. At the time I was deep into an ED and was visibly very unhealthy, like my parents wanted to put me in a hospital. The people at that church swarmed me, complimenting me about how cute/pretty/beautiful I was, at least a dozen people asked to exchange phone numbers (obviously I gave them a fake number) and inviting me to church activities within the next week. It was literally "omg you're so pretty, you need to join us and come to our potluck tomorrow! Give me your number I'll text you later!!" I knew at the time that it was toxic but being where I was, it made my ED spiral even more. I can't imagine being raised in that environment, how many people have developed mental and physical illnesses because of it. But on the bright side, I got an A on my paper and I've been in recovery for several years.
@@bunjijumper5345it's almost like if your mother restricts your eating you're going develop an eating disorder later in life whether it be eating too much or too little It's not about being fat or thin it's about not eating yourself to death either way
Elizabeth lost her own child, and was told by her mother never to mourn...never to grieve. And she wants to follow in that belief system?! She's as delusional as her mother. I'm happy the son/brother got away and I hope he heals from this.
Well there is a good chance she just wants the gravy train to keep rolling away on biscuit wheels. Whether consciously or unconsciously her decision has to be highly influenced by the fact that because of her upbringing she has no marketable skills or job experience so if she leaves the cult then she would be in a precarious financial position or she can keep the grift that has made her family rich going.
A relative of mine works for the Weigh Down workshop and attends church there. She was not raised to believe the things Gwen, now Elizabeth, teaches. We are heartbroken for her choices since her three children have grown up at Remnant. Michael is a good person and deserves healing and happiness.
Dr Steven Hassan has great resources for slowly helping friends and family members realize they are in a cult if you think you can reach out. He has a channel on RUclips and was in a cult himself. He developed the BITE model and has successfully gotten people out of Scientology and other cults. Good luck to you and your family ❤❤
It’s very special that you’re concerned about your friend and her children. Thinking about them the way that you do is the same as praying for them. Take care of yourself and stay kindhearted.❤
I left a cult church after 25 years and lost everything. All my friends. All my social supporters. But my real family was just waiting all that time for me. Michael will find friends and pick good people and begin to heal. I hope he finds a good therapist (secular) and much happiness. ❤❤
The therapist doesn't have to be secular, just neutral and following proven sound counseling approaches. I had a therapist who was a Christian and she never tried to push me in the direction of religion. She did a fabulous job of remaining neutral. I practice an indigenous earth based path. As Michael said he believes God was there before Gwen and will be there after. There are good people of all faiths, and bad people of all faiths. Don't throw the baby out with the diaper. Just find a therapist who brings neutrality to their practice
@@mavisrobinI agree. I had a Christian therapist who was amazing. She never tried to push me into anything. A good therapist is a good therapist, Christian or not. It makes me sad that some people are turned away from Jesus completely after bad experiences with people who aren’t true Christians.
Former longtime Victim Advocate here. Spiritual Abuse was amongst the worst kind I witnessed, because our comfort and healing with God/Faith is above everything else. It guts your internal wiring unlike anything else. You are incredibly brave & strong beyond measure! Wish you the best best in your continued healing. 🙏🕊️
His rap songs with the remnant are nothing less than incredible. The cheesiest, finest, lyricle miracle, raps you have ever heard in your life, I put that on the G man, God himself!
What Michael said about coming out of a haze once he left, I experienced that recently. I used to be part of an independent charismatic church and ended up leaving after bullying incidents. In distress, I started going to a mainstream Anglican church and found their messages and behaviour so much more normal and rational. After a couple of months this fog suddenly lifted and I felt normal again in a way I hadn’t felt in years. It’s got me wondering exactly what that other church is up to.
Manipulation…which is not of God. “Many will say to me Lord Lord!” And I will say, “I never knew you.” “And the greatest of these is LOVE.” “You will know them by their fruit.” 🙏 May others who are unknowingly being kept in a fog be set free. We are free, indeed!!!
It's like leaving an abusive relationship. After a couple months you look back and think why did I put up with that?! You can see things clearly. When you are in the situation you are clouded by your emotions and aren't thinking logically.
Behavioral scientist here , I truly appreciate your journalism... Thanks for the update, we've been waiting!!! Poor Michael.... I feel like he may have been put down constantly, while her thinnest and most compliant child was celebrated and uplifted. Very sad story.
It looks like Michael wanted more for himself, and Elizabeth seems happy to stay where she is but we'll never really know that unless she tells us.... 😢
@@lisasalinas-gruver160aww your comment brought me so much joy! I love both men, Charle Stanley was such a beautiful soul! I can’t wait to see all of us in Christ in heaven♥️
Wow, thank you for this. I'm so glad to see Michael speaking out! The audio of Elizabeth is really haunting, all that stuff about fame in heaven is so bizarre. Obviously we hope everyone can escape and recover, but healing from that level of delusion seems so hard. It feels like she never even had a chance. I can see why Michael feels sorry for her.
My very highly unlikely and uneducated guess is that she wanted to make her head look really big so that her body looked more petite. I read once in a teenage girl magazine in the 90s that Victoria Beckham wanted supposedly look like the lollipop body type Which sounds love bs, but that body type description still haunts me
Nothing says CULT more than creating your own products (books and tapes) compared to high top tennis shoes, bibles, gold watches, NYF trading cards and the list goes on….and then getting your cult followers to buy them! 👍🏼😂🤣🎤
When I found out what was going on here, I was floored. Remnant church is right next to my parents’ church. There is a LOT of dark/culty stuff that goes on in that area. I’ve left religion entirely and moved away.
I went to high school with Elizabeth and graduated with Micheal. Elizabeth used to be a cheerleader, and Micheal was always was always nice. Both were great students as well. I also know Joe Lara's ex. She is a kind and generous woman. Joe was a scumbag for sure. I believe everything Mike says.
@@mismissyThe Mormons have over $100 billion invested in stocks tax free and growing since 1997. I’m curious if we know exact numbers for the Catholic Church. 😂
Michael Black posts occasionally on RUclips. He posted a video about a week or so ago, stating that Elizabeth was more or less forced by those still in the Remnant to show up for a service after an absence of more than three years. In addition to her skeletal looks, she appeared under the influence of alcohol or something and she made absolutely no sense when she spoke to the “congregation.” It was a disturbing performance and was deeply unsettling to watch. Also, some prominent leaders are leaving/have left the cult - most notably Otis and Rhonda Rickman, who have been mainstays of the Remnant since the early days. I read that one reason for their departure was the excessive drinking, drug usage, and partying by Elizabeth and members of her faction. I feel sorrow for her children. In a few short years, they lost their grandparents (David Shamblin died in 2023), their father, and their uncle. At the rate Elizabeth is destroying herself, the children are going to lose their mother, too. I am NOT a member of Remnant. Josie’s excellent original video, and the Max docuseries, got me hooked on finding out as much as I can about the cult, and watching it unravel.
Addig to anorexia religious component and we will end up with a saint and virtue not a victim with sickness. Many saints straved themselves. She is ambicious and she needs to be delusional to continue.
Wow, that recording of the daughter aiming high for her "heavenly status". Amazing the level of delusions people can delve into when it's paired with religion.
That's the thing thought isn't it... to believe in god and all the crazy stories that go with it you have to put logic aside and also then believe that magic is actually real. I guess it's not too much of a leap to take it to the next level for such folk.
His sister sounds exactly like his mother. Gwen. I mean to the T. Gwen Jr. That's so sad. She couldn't even form her own identity outside her own mother.
@14:17 - the thought of Joe taking the plane down deliberately just crossed my mind for the first time when I heard how unhappy he was once married to Gwen 🧐
He was still battling his ex-wife for full custody of their daughter. He finally was a trophy hubby, married Gwen for the money & lifestyle. His ex-wife even said he was inexperienced driving that type of plane.
Where did you hear Joe was unhappy? All indications that he was enjoying his sugar mom. NTSB said spatial disorientation. He was instructed to take two ascending turns in the clouds and he wasn't proficient with auto pilot controls to guide him. In short, he sucked as a pilot.
I hope he doesn't continue to feel guilty, that was all his mother's influence, and what influence is stronger in one's life. I am so glad he can now know God on his own terms and not Gwen's.
I feel so sad for Michael who suffered so much abuse t the hands of his mother and step-father. It’s very telling that he didn’t even shed a tear when his mother died.
In Elizabeth's leaked recording, she never once mentioned leading others to Jesus. She says she wants people to follow her. That's not christian teaching. Disgusting
"I want to be a famous person, in Heaven, where there are even more people, who are alive, on Earth at this very moment! I want to be as beloved & powerful in Heaven! Me, Me, ME! And that's what I mean when I say none of this is selfish." lol
Great update on this subject! I feel bad for Gwen's children because they have been affected in different ways because of their domineering, self-serving mother.
I’ve watched your original video at least 40 times. Not even kidding. It’s just such a great, CRAZY documentary. One of my all time faves. Thrilled for an update! ❤
Gosh, if it is true - and many audiologists confirm it - that you can hear so much about a person's true self in their voice: 15:37 - that daughter sounds like a mean-spirited witch. Incredible. And it is not the recording distortion.
Elizabeth sounds eerily like Gwen. She would be a formidable cult leader but is obviously sick and in danger of dying and successful cult leadership takes a lot of effort and charisma. I hope she survives and recovers from a life time of brainwashing and disordered eating.
The mom had an eating disorder too, just like the daughter. I think that's why Gwen had the big and outrageous hair so it made her look even thinner. Although, she was already quite thin!
Josie when I tell you I was literally JUST watching your Gwen documentary, and now this. Thank you so much - you’ve been an invaluable tool in my mental health journey. 💛
In the original documentary, you see as over time her hair and makeup gets progressively more insane. I recommend watching the original, its hilarious.
@ both countries have a higher incidence of poverty and illiteracy so it’s not as shocking but it seems in the US a lot of these followers are both educated and literate and many come from middle and working class backgrounds
In the USA there is a hunger for gurus, think of the cult of fame, cults around personalities, the cult of riches. The USA is a cultural desert for most of the population, very few have any appreciation of art, history or literature. Therefore they are anchorless and prone to fall prey to these crazy manipulators.
I saw Michael’s interview several months back when it was first presented on this site. I feel so sorry for him and his sister, Elizabeth. He’s obviously angry and hurt by his mother’s mistreatment towards him and her actions. Who can really blame him? And it says a whole lot that he didn’t shed a tear when she died. How HEARTBREAKING that a child doesn’t mourn his or her parent because that parent was not good to that child. I hate that his mother stopped him from continuing his college education. All because she was trying to keep him from advancing in his life and wanting to continue to use him as a pawn in her cult. My own mother urged me to go to college when I initially didn’t want to, and I’m grateful that she did. I can’t imagine my mother doing what Gwen had done to her children. Gwen was purposefully holding back her own children in life to control them. Also, I’m genuinely shocked that Gwen was basically trying to get her own son unalived all because he (Michael) was getting ready to leave Remnant for good and was scared that he was going to reveal the cult’s secrets. I mean, she more or less had Joe threatening him with a gun for crying out loud! She was more than happy to have her affair partner threaten one of her children’s life for trying to leave and begin his own life! I don’t remember seeing and hearing that part of the interview, but that was rather mind-blowing to me. How MESSED UP that is! WOW. So, this woman was willing to completely silence her own child because he no longer wanted to be controlled by her. Good Lord! 🤯😧 I’m really questioning on whether or not that she was ever a decent person. I wonder what exactly happened to her in her past that turned her into a monster. She probably was hiding her true nature from her first husband, her children, and other people around her until her “Weigh Down” success. She cared about nobody but herself, and was using God for personal gain. She was WICKED. I hope that Michael gets therapy. I wish him nothing but the best.
For those wondering why she teased her hair beyond reason I have a few thoughts. She almost definitely had body dysmorphia which which I guess could extend to her view of her hair and women televangelists tend to have big hair (Jan Crouch) it’s kind of a running part of the aesthetic of women televangelists I’ve seen
I love the beginning you said “She soon decided that she’s a prophet” she literally decided that herself😂 I know it’s true but still funny to hear it out loud
Every time I'm a little down, I go and rewatch that video. It's my favorite for sure. That aside, growing up with such a hating person as a parent must be hard.
To this day there are still sad and misguided folk who defend her. So bizarre, despite everything that they can attempt to defend the indefensible. Some were in the comments last time.
The family pictures show them going from normal healthy looking people to gaunt skeletal shells. She teased her now thin hair to and height and make up for her frail appearance. So sad.
I sat at the next table over from Gwen’s at J Alexander’s years ago! At the time I had no idea who she was, but I know for a fact it was her because I couldn’t stop staring at this blonde with her hair teased halfway to the ceiling. It was so bizarre to see in person. Who would have thought what would become of this woman…
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The weirdest thing about this cult is/was Gwen’s hair.
As she wasted away, the hair got bigger and bigger and wilder and wilder.
When she was killed, I thought the hair would take over as leader.
Yeah, you couldn’t miss her locally. She stood out even in Nashville.
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I was just about to say this 😂😂😂😂😂
Gwen Shamblin's son didn't shed a single tear when she died. If that's not a searing indictiment of her entire life, I don't know what is.
People usually don’t cry, when their jailer dies!🤷🏾♀️ I’m glad he’s free! Would love to go in a date!
yeah or you realise he is bipolar.
If Gwen is in heaven, I don't want to go, and I hope he gives the magical sky wizard a talking to. I'm glad he's free and living a good life.
@JohnRiversOfficial. Whether he is, or not, has zero bearing on his lack of emotion to his mother's death. Maybe you just refuse to believe that she so psychologically damaged her own children in her lust for power, control and wealth, that this is the result. Gwen, like other cult leaders, are nothing but wolves in sheep's clothing. Just evil to the core.
Him not caring about her death is very indicative of the narcissistic abuse he suffered.
At that point he had already cried enough tears for losing her long before she ever physically “died“
What a tragedy to be a mother like that. I wish to best for him. I’m glad he no longer suffers the tyranny anymore.
Yes! When my verbally and physically abusive narcissistic mother died I was pushing 60. My sister, the Golden Child finally realized that she was but an object to be manipulated for feeding mom's insatiable vortex of greed and need, gave me the news of Mommy Dearest's passing with less emotion than most would experience with the death of their goldfish. "your (it was never "our") mother died." I was the scapegoat and was the recipient of most of her abuse. I felt NOTHING. Neither did any of my three siblings. Not one tear was shed. No sadness, no relief, just comfortably numb. Oh well, Mom's in a better place now. Yeah, she's dead; her cremains reside in a back corner of an unused closet, housed in a battered cardboard box. Unwep't, unhonored, unsung.
@ your story is almost nearly mine. Down to the cremains. I refused to attend her service. I feel relief she cannot hurt anyone else anymore.
@@scottdelong1 1000 dittos! My mom isn't dead yet but I'm the black sheep and she NEVER lets me forget. When she discusses my grandparents it's always her parents. When she discusses my dad it's always Billy. When she let us know we have different dads and my sis met her new family, I asked about her other siblings and was told "it doesn't matter. They are of no relation to you." I was uninvited from the Hawaii wedding at the last minute to watch her cats and given a pair of used German sewing scissors they bought for her dress as a gift. I was asked to make a post wedding gift for my sister from my mom using objects they brought back from Hawaii. Oh but I was rude for not being more excited to see her new sisters IN THE WEDDING and they brought friends! 😂
You probably already no of her but Dr Ramani has a channel on YT entirely based on recovering from narcissistic aabuse. She's really saved my life! Now I know exactly how to not fall for her games. But now I'm not as much fun to play with so she only talks to me when she absolutely has to or my sister is out of town 😂
Elizabeth looks really, really ill. It's scary.
She is so weird and scary looking.
It’s very shocking!! I met Gwen and Elizabeth several years ago and I noticed right away that Gwen was really screwy but Elizabeth was pretty normal and sweet. Seeing her now, it’s really scary and she needs help. Unfortunately, since she is brainwashed, she probably won’t. 😢
Because she is ill.
She looks extremely thin...anorexic or bulimic. She also looks like walking death with that "Goth" look she wears...very creepy vibes. How can people be deceived into following someone like her? I'm glad her brother got out of the CULT...and it is definitely a CULT!
Her daughter looks like she has a severe eating disorder. It’s incredibly sad.
She does
I think Mom did too. You can't be too skinny, have big enough hair, or fake enough boobs for her religion. All in the name of God...
She was raised on her mom beliefs... It's so sad.
@@Karmaisabreez Very much a victim. I just hope for her kids sake who already lost one parent. She gets the help she needs. The generational trauma needs to end.
She also had a child die of SIDs and it was never acknowledged. I dont even remember if they have a funeral/memorial for the baby in the church. From what i remember in the doc on HBO, it was very frowned upon to even mention the passing.
I went to this church once, I live near it and it was always known as the creepy cult church that everyone was curious about but put off by the reputation. I decided to go to a service with the excuse to my family/friends that I had the chance to write a paper for one of my college courses about it.
It was WEIRD. She sounded like a complete and utter moron and would have to look up the most basic Bible verses, then spin that into some super generic rambling message that anyone could make up. But I just thought that was funny, the congregation was what creeped me out.
At the time I was deep into an ED and was visibly very unhealthy, like my parents wanted to put me in a hospital. The people at that church swarmed me, complimenting me about how cute/pretty/beautiful I was, at least a dozen people asked to exchange phone numbers (obviously I gave them a fake number) and inviting me to church activities within the next week. It was literally "omg you're so pretty, you need to join us and come to our potluck tomorrow! Give me your number I'll text you later!!"
I knew at the time that it was toxic but being where I was, it made my ED spiral even more. I can't imagine being raised in that environment, how many people have developed mental and physical illnesses because of it.
But on the bright side, I got an A on my paper and I've been in recovery for several years.
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My uncle lives near it... He would definitely tell people to not go there and it isn't a real church.
Her daughter is a young woman but she sounds elderly and weak due to severe malnourishment. Her mother should be ashamed.
The daughter is as skinny as her son is fat. It's ok to pick on thin people while not saying a word about fat people.
@@bunjijumper5345 To be honest with Gwen's dietary influence. It's not surprising if he has developed an eating disorder.
@@Akursedtime her son is fat, why not point that out?
@@bunjijumper5345 its ok to say if you think someone looks unhealthy but not just about the weight i think
@@bunjijumper5345it's almost like if your mother restricts your eating you're going develop an eating disorder later in life whether it be eating too much or too little
It's not about being fat or thin it's about not eating yourself to death either way
Elizabeth lost her own child, and was told by her mother never to mourn...never to grieve. And she wants to follow in that belief system?! She's as delusional as her mother. I'm happy the son/brother got away and I hope he heals from this.
She gives me Carrie vibes (the original movie) and what Carrie’s mother wanted Carrie to be: submissive and obedient NO MATTER WHAT 🫣
That woman had no empahty, and for her, people who display grieve are weak and pathetic.
Her daughter cant help it. She really has Stolkholm syndrom. Shes been brainwashed since birth.
@@okoala62 Definitely both mothers are demonic, egotistical, entitled, narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopaths.
Well there is a good chance she just wants the gravy train to keep rolling away on biscuit wheels. Whether consciously or unconsciously her decision has to be highly influenced by the fact that because of her upbringing she has no marketable skills or job experience so if she leaves the cult then she would be in a precarious financial position or she can keep the grift that has made her family rich going.
A relative of mine works for the Weigh Down workshop and attends church there. She was not raised to believe the things Gwen, now Elizabeth, teaches. We are heartbroken for her choices since her three children have grown up at Remnant. Michael is a good person and deserves healing and happiness.
Dr Steven Hassan has great resources for slowly helping friends and family members realize they are in a cult if you think you can reach out. He has a channel on RUclips and was in a cult himself. He developed the BITE model and has successfully gotten people out of Scientology and other cults. Good luck to you and your family ❤❤
So sad when you see people you love fall for charlatans.
I’m truly sorry 🌱
It’s very special that you’re concerned about your friend and her children. Thinking about them the way that you do is the same as praying for them. Take care of yourself and stay kindhearted.❤
I left a cult church after 25 years and lost everything. All my friends. All my social supporters. But my real family was just waiting all that time for me. Michael will find friends and pick good people and begin to heal. I hope he finds a good therapist (secular) and much happiness. ❤❤
The therapist doesn't have to be secular, just neutral and following proven sound counseling approaches. I had a therapist who was a Christian and she never tried to push me in the direction of religion. She did a fabulous job of remaining neutral. I practice an indigenous earth based path. As Michael said he believes God was there before Gwen and will be there after. There are good people of all faiths, and bad people of all faiths. Don't throw the baby out with the diaper. Just find a therapist who brings neutrality to their practice
i'm proud of you for getting out of there. take care of yourself
@@mavisrobinI agree. I had a Christian therapist who was amazing. She never tried to push me into anything. A good therapist is a good therapist, Christian or not. It makes me sad that some people are turned away from Jesus completely after bad experiences with people who aren’t true Christians.
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Former longtime Victim Advocate here. Spiritual Abuse was amongst the worst kind I witnessed, because our comfort and healing with God/Faith is above everything else. It guts your internal wiring unlike anything else. You are incredibly brave & strong beyond measure! Wish you the best best in your continued healing. 🙏🕊️
I’m always glad to hear traumatised children speak up for themselves. (Including adult children)
I’m happy for Michael, and I want the rest of his life to be fulfilling and happy.
His rap songs with the remnant are nothing less than incredible. The cheesiest, finest, lyricle miracle, raps you have ever heard in your life, I put that on the G man, God himself!
Same! His mom was next level crazy, those poor kids
What Michael said about coming out of a haze once he left, I experienced that recently. I used to be part of an independent charismatic church and ended up leaving after bullying incidents. In distress, I started going to a mainstream Anglican church and found their messages and behaviour so much more normal and rational. After a couple of months this fog suddenly lifted and I felt normal again in a way I hadn’t felt in years. It’s got me wondering exactly what that other church is up to.
Manipulation…which is not of God. “Many will say to me Lord Lord!” And I will say, “I never knew you.” “And the greatest of these is LOVE.” “You will know them by their fruit.” 🙏 May others who are unknowingly being kept in a fog be set free. We are free, indeed!!!
@ The emotional manipulation of charismania
It's like leaving an abusive relationship. After a couple months you look back and think why did I put up with that?! You can see things clearly. When you are in the situation you are clouded by your emotions and aren't thinking logically.
Same
They use some sort of hypnosis.
Gwen and her henchmen... her Gwenchmen
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That’s a good one 😂
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Behavioral scientist here , I truly appreciate your journalism... Thanks for the update, we've been waiting!!! Poor Michael.... I feel like he may have been put down constantly, while her thinnest and most compliant child was celebrated and uplifted. Very sad story.
So let’s call that what it is. The daughter is also a victim.
He survived.
Golden child/scapegoat dynamic
To a psychopath the sincerest form of flattery is mimickery.
She wanted to promote Michael's music, but like his dad, his stage presence was contingent on his weight.
I wish big time healing to Michael and the peace he deserves.
It's wild that Michael ended up leaving while Elizabeth takes over for her mother. It says a lot about how Gwen treated her own children.
Micheal had questions. Her daughter questioned nothing. True Stolkholm symptoms.
Narc parents often prefer the kid(s) that are assigned the same gender as themselves
It looks like Michael wanted more for himself, and Elizabeth seems happy to stay where she is but we'll never really know that unless she tells us.... 😢
Hell was built for televangelists and mega church leaders.
Absolutely! 😢
Actually built for the fallen angels
Not all, not Billy Graham or Charles Stanley
@@lisasalinas-gruver160aww your comment brought me so much joy! I love both men, Charle Stanley was such a beautiful soul! I can’t wait to see all of us in Christ in heaven♥️
@ It skipped Billy and went to Franklin.
Her daughter said “I will take your hair and raise you one pair of eyebrows….”
Ikr 😂
…and some wax candy lips.
"She sugared that baby hard."
👀😳💀
That was hilariously awesome 🤣
Caught that too😭
That was a good one😂
@@kathrynr.7065 not at all. Duane is currently thouhh
Josef Smith RIP, RIG. That poor child.
5:23 If God didn’t smite HBO for the explicit content in Game of Thrones I doubt He’ll be bothered by the documentary 😂
Right?! Like M’AM- they are doing awfully well 😂
Wow, thank you for this. I'm so glad to see Michael speaking out! The audio of Elizabeth is really haunting, all that stuff about fame in heaven is so bizarre. Obviously we hope everyone can escape and recover, but healing from that level of delusion seems so hard. It feels like she never even had a chance. I can see why Michael feels sorry for her.
This is why you gotta eat. Food makes your brain function
I never got why she styled her hair like a tribble from Star Trek.
That's mean to Tribbles. Tribbles are cute.
You can lose hair when you have an eating disorder. She was probably trying to cover bald patches.
She also didn't pay the women that did her hair either, just to make it even worse.
My very highly unlikely and uneducated guess is that she wanted to make her head look really big so that her body looked more petite.
I read once in a teenage girl magazine in the 90s that Victoria Beckham wanted supposedly look like the lollipop body type
Which sounds love bs, but that body type description still haunts me
@@That1artsychic I didn’t think of that. I forgot how much damage starving yourself can do
Peace & healing ❤️🩹 to him. Being spiritually abused by a parent is a special kind of sadistic pain. I can feel the heaviness in his eyes❤️🩹💟
Thank you Josie for an updated documentary. So glad Michael was able to get out and is speaking out.
Nothing says CULT more than creating your own products (books and tapes) compared to high top tennis shoes, bibles, gold watches, NYF trading cards and the list goes on….and then getting your cult followers to buy them! 👍🏼😂🤣🎤
Lol, Trump did all that
AMEN 🙏
When I found out what was going on here, I was floored. Remnant church is right next to my parents’ church. There is a LOT of dark/culty stuff that goes on in that area. I’ve left religion entirely and moved away.
A lot of secrets under all that hair.
And not much deep thought either
I suspect it's all spiders.
@@cadburyyork5052thats rude to spiders 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
"That's why her hair is so big. It's full of secrets."
I went to high school with Elizabeth and graduated with Micheal. Elizabeth used to be a cheerleader, and Micheal was always was always nice. Both were great students as well.
I also know Joe Lara's ex. She is a kind and generous woman. Joe was a scumbag for sure. I believe everything Mike says.
If I had a dollar for every church that says they’re the “one true church,” I’d have as much money as they have in the Mormon stock portfolio.
That's a lot of money!
@@pinkbunny6272you’re right. 😂
Im exmo and this comment made me lol🤣
Lol... only the catholic church can try to compete
@@mismissyThe Mormons have over $100 billion invested in stocks tax free and growing since 1997. I’m curious if we know exact numbers for the Catholic Church. 😂
Almost broke my ankle running to watch this
Michael Black posts occasionally on RUclips. He posted a video about a week or so ago, stating that Elizabeth was more or less forced by those still in the Remnant to show up for a service after an absence of more than three years.
In addition to her skeletal looks, she appeared under the influence of alcohol or something and she made absolutely no sense when she spoke to the “congregation.” It was a disturbing performance and was deeply unsettling to watch. Also, some prominent leaders are leaving/have left the cult - most notably Otis and Rhonda Rickman, who have been mainstays of the Remnant since the early days. I read that one reason for their departure was the excessive drinking, drug usage, and partying by Elizabeth and members of her faction.
I feel sorrow for her children. In a few short years, they lost their grandparents (David Shamblin died in 2023), their father, and their uncle. At the rate Elizabeth is destroying herself, the children are going to lose their mother, too.
I am NOT a member of Remnant. Josie’s excellent original video, and the Max docuseries, got me hooked on finding out as much as I can about the cult, and watching it unravel.
I didn’t think it was possible, but the daughter is crazier than the mom.
Major eating disorder for her daughter good god. So sad.
Addig to anorexia religious component and we will end up with a saint and virtue not a victim with sickness. Many saints straved themselves. She is ambicious and she needs to be delusional to continue.
I wish Michael happiness, can you just imagine how awful Tarzan was towards everyone around her during custody battle? 😢😢😢😢
I can’t believe YT hid this from me for a minute
Man they hid it from me for a while 7 minutes
8 whole minutes when youtube KNOWS the gwen shamblin saga is my autism movie
Hid it from me for 3 whole hours! 😠
Her daughter, OMG...😢
"God will SMITE HBO Max!" has me dying 🤣
Wow, that recording of the daughter aiming high for her "heavenly status". Amazing the level of delusions people can delve into when it's paired with religion.
Coupled with the pictures of her looking like an extraterrestrial... chills up and down my spine.
@@cyglass for me she looks like used porn star who discovered botox and fillers… poor woman.
That's the thing thought isn't it... to believe in god and all the crazy stories that go with it you have to put logic aside and also then believe that magic is actually real. I guess it's not too much of a leap to take it to the next level for such folk.
I'm so glad that Micheal is fine, and hoping and Elizabeth finds a way out of her mother's lies too.
Personally the leaked audio makes her sound like those Jim Jones tapes
His sister sounds exactly like his mother. Gwen. I mean to the T. Gwen Jr. That's so sad. She couldn't even form her own identity outside her own mother.
@14:17 - the thought of Joe taking the plane down deliberately just crossed my mind for the first time when I heard how unhappy he was once married to Gwen 🧐
my thoughts too
He was still battling his ex-wife for full custody of their daughter. He finally was a trophy hubby, married Gwen for the money & lifestyle. His ex-wife even said he was inexperienced driving that type of plane.
I find it interesting that they were going to a txxx rally. 🤦🏻♀️
It's that cult thing @@ccharles848
Where did you hear Joe was unhappy? All indications that he was enjoying his sugar mom. NTSB said spatial disorientation. He was instructed to take two ascending turns in the clouds and he wasn't proficient with auto pilot controls to guide him. In short, he sucked as a pilot.
The level of bizarre. Glad Michael got away!
I hope he doesn't continue to feel guilty, that was all his mother's influence, and what influence is stronger in one's life. I am so glad he can now know God on his own terms and not Gwen's.
I thought it was the Long Island medium at first 💀
Me too lol
Me too 😂
Me too
That’s honestly why I clicked..I thought they were going to say she was scamming the people grieving their loved ones but that’s not even her😂😂😂😂
I just saw this documentary, and it was insane! Thank you for the update.
I feel so sad for Michael who suffered so much abuse t the hands of his mother and step-father. It’s very telling that he didn’t even shed a tear when his mother died.
In Elizabeth's leaked recording, she never once mentioned leading others to Jesus. She says she wants people to follow her. That's not christian teaching. Disgusting
I was just about to comment that I didn’t hear Jesus mentioned once.
"I want to be a famous person, in Heaven, where there are even more people, who are alive, on Earth at this very moment! I want to be as beloved & powerful in Heaven! Me, Me, ME! And that's what I mean when I say none of this is selfish." lol
Definitely sounds like what Lucifer said before be kicked out of Heaven by God.
Great update on this subject! I feel bad for Gwen's children because they have been affected in different ways because of their domineering, self-serving mother.
Thanks for the update! The original was what brought me to this channel and to anti-MLM content as a whole!
I’ve watched your original video at least 40 times. Not even kidding. It’s just such a great, CRAZY documentary. One of my all time faves. Thrilled for an update! ❤
I love Micheal. I wish him nothing but the best.
Wow. It was all a CULT. Imagine my shock! 😱😱😱
Fair play to her Son, he called it a “Cult” so many times, let’s hope more wake up & leave.
Can't help but feel for Michael.
They look physically ill 😢hopefully followers will come to their senses before it’s too late
I love your channel btw look forward to your content ❤❤
Gosh, if it is true - and many audiologists confirm it - that you can hear so much about a person's true self in their voice: 15:37 - that daughter sounds like a mean-spirited witch. Incredible. And it is not the recording distortion.
is there any publication you can reference that confirms this and explains various stuff that you can determine via that metric
I am so here for this!
Wishing you all the best, Michael!
Elizabeth sounds eerily like Gwen. She would be a formidable cult leader but is obviously sick and in danger of dying and successful cult leadership takes a lot of effort and charisma. I hope she survives and recovers from a life time of brainwashing and disordered eating.
Her Son's attitude towards it all is fitting, yet heartbreaking. What terrible parents.
The mom had an eating disorder too, just like the daughter. I think that's why Gwen had the big and outrageous hair so it made her look even thinner. Although, she was already quite thin!
The bigger the hair, the closer to God...😂
Her hair was probably falling out too due to all the malnutrition
😂😂😂@@Peaceful-Sheep
Josie when I tell you I was literally JUST watching your Gwen documentary, and now this. Thank you so much - you’ve been an invaluable tool in my mental health journey. 💛
hope Michael Black is having a good day and wishing him all the love and support he could ever need.
Poor Michael - his real dad has since passed, and his sister needs serious help. He lost everyone. I hope he has a great support system.
Elizabeth looks very sick and demented.
I know! Those crazy eyes!
Ahhh! I never thought there would be an update!!
Can we pleaaaaaaase talk about the hair?
I remember the original documentary mentioned that church members did her hair for free. I'd like to think it's a passive aggressive form of revenge.
The bigger the hair, the closer to God!
She looks like she's wearing a Mk II talker helmet.
It kinda looks like attic insulation.
In the original documentary, you see as over time her hair and makeup gets progressively more insane.
I recommend watching the original, its hilarious.
Ohhhh I’m so here for this!
Amazing update! Thank you! I just got done watching the documentary…it’s mind blowing!! 💔
Honestly if feels like in America anyone can make wild claims start a cult and get a real following which is wild
Not only America. Thake a look at all the gurus in India and Africa.
@ both countries have a higher incidence of poverty and illiteracy so it’s not as shocking but it seems in the US a lot of these followers are both educated and literate and many come from middle and working class backgrounds
In the USA there is a hunger for gurus, think of the cult of fame, cults around personalities, the cult of riches. The USA is a cultural desert for most of the population, very few have any appreciation of art, history or literature. Therefore they are anchorless and prone to fall prey to these crazy manipulators.
I saw Michael’s interview several months back when it was first presented on this site. I feel so sorry for him and his sister, Elizabeth. He’s obviously angry and hurt by his mother’s mistreatment towards him and her actions. Who can really blame him? And it says a whole lot that he didn’t shed a tear when she died. How HEARTBREAKING that a child doesn’t mourn his or her parent because that parent was not good to that child.
I hate that his mother stopped him from continuing his college education. All because she was trying to keep him from advancing in his life and wanting to continue to use him as a pawn in her cult. My own mother urged me to go to college when I initially didn’t want to, and I’m grateful that she did. I can’t imagine my mother doing what Gwen had done to her children. Gwen was purposefully holding back her own children in life to control them.
Also, I’m genuinely shocked that Gwen was basically trying to get her own son unalived all because he (Michael) was getting ready to leave Remnant for good and was scared that he was going to reveal the cult’s secrets. I mean, she more or less had Joe threatening him with a gun for crying out loud! She was more than happy to have her affair partner threaten one of her children’s life for trying to leave and begin his own life! I don’t remember seeing and hearing that part of the interview, but that was rather mind-blowing to me. How MESSED UP that is! WOW. So, this woman was willing to completely silence her own child because he no longer wanted to be controlled by her. Good Lord! 🤯😧
I’m really questioning on whether or not that she was ever a decent person. I wonder what exactly happened to her in her past that turned her into a monster. She probably was hiding her true nature from her first husband, her children, and other people around her until her “Weigh Down” success. She cared about nobody but herself, and was using God for personal gain. She was WICKED.
I hope that Michael gets therapy. I wish him nothing but the best.
I love your work. These are the vids that I watch to the end.
For those wondering why she teased her hair beyond reason I have a few thoughts. She almost definitely had body dysmorphia which which I guess could extend to her view of her hair and women televangelists tend to have big hair (Jan Crouch) it’s kind of a running part of the aesthetic of women televangelists I’ve seen
I can’t believe this is just notifying me three days later!!
the plastic surgery is insane. Imagine spending so much money to look so alien
Geez…I remember a couple of girls looking like Elizabeth in high school. That was just before they were put in rehab for eating disorders 😢
Thank you for this update!! fascinating!! There's quite some hair in that family, eh?!
That hair screams delusions of grandeur.
@texasrefugee7888i bet she thought she was killing it
@@pinkishpoo like Trump the male version of her
I really like her son. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and the guts to be honest.
I love the beginning you said “She soon decided that she’s a prophet” she literally decided that herself😂 I know it’s true but still funny to hear it out loud
I bet Trump wanted her to come to his rally to hide those classified documents in her hair.
😂😅😂😅 that hair oh my God You should run screaming from that hairdo😅
The Bible is Crystal Clear about False Prophets. I Pray The Lord had Mercy on Gwen's Soul.
Every time I'm a little down, I go and rewatch that video. It's my favorite for sure. That aside, growing up with such a hating person as a parent must be hard.
Michael was phenomenally talented. I hope he’s able to get his life back.
Thanks for the updates
To this day there are still sad and misguided folk who defend her. So bizarre, despite everything that they can attempt to defend the indefensible. Some were in the comments last time.
Your first video on her was a wild ride, but the rollercoaster just went on! Such a strange, twisted story.
Saw your GC video, so oh ya, totally up for this update! 👏
so, Elizabeth's idea of heaven is a caste system?
I hope Michael can find peace..
Thank you for this update
This woman was diabolical connecting size with gods love.
So much love to you Michael. You are a survivor now:)
The family pictures show them going from normal healthy looking people to gaunt skeletal shells. She teased her now thin hair to and height and make up for her frail appearance. So sad.
I sat at the next table over from Gwen’s at J Alexander’s years ago! At the time I had no idea who she was, but I know for a fact it was her because I couldn’t stop staring at this blonde with her hair teased halfway to the ceiling. It was so bizarre to see in person. Who would have thought what would become of this woman…