How I see the light sabers: in the prequels, there were hundreds of Jedi that light sabers were common, after order 66, Jedi were almost never heard of and so a lightsaber was like a moment of mysticism and awe! I actually like how they did this because it's believable and it's, well, why I named my myself lightsaber :)
Lightsaber lol they dont know lightsbaer because in the original trilogy they were new born and no one tells them about jedi stuff and there not a jedi and so many peoples dont want to talk about the jedi because adter order 66 they thought jeid are evil
I mean... They are boring. The cool thing about the OT fights is not the fights themselves, it's the clashes of the characters that happen during. PT fights' value is in the actual action.
I don't think the prequels overused them. In the originals, it is stated that the light saber was the weapon of the jedi knights So it makes sense that jedi knights would use them.
Watch the damn video. The point he's making is that even if it makes sense from a lore perspective, it doesn't make sense from a story or thematic perspective. Lightsabers should be used sparingly, for moments of extreme drama and emotion, not whipped out every five minutes.
Calm down dude. It's just an opinion. i did watch the video, and I understand that point, as I stated in my later comment: "I have to disagree with you here. While I agree some prequel fights were over the top, and that character development and intensity should take precedent. it makes perfect sense to me there is a lack of rarity in how lightsabers are used int he prequels. The lightsaber is so rare and sacred in the originals because Jedi and Sith are now so rare. It makes sense that before the Jedi purge, the weapon was more widely used and had less meaning attached to it because it lacked that rarity. The movies should reflect that." I think that it does make sense from a thematic perspective because the rarity they have thematically during the original trilogy parallels the rarity of force wielders. I think that rarity has more effect when it is contrasted to the commonality of Jedi in the prequels, before the purge, and the frequency of lightsabers is thus increased to increase the juxtaposition.
The scene in Attack of the Clones with a hundred light sabers was toooootaly necessary. Doesn't diminish the coolness of them at all, right? In case you're one of *those* people, yes, that was sarcasm.
Because you clearly didn't comment, I quote; "even if it makes sense from a lore perspective, it doesn't make sense from a story or thematic perspective."
The problem with the lightsaber fights had more to do with the lack of tension between the characters, rather than with how frequently the weapons are used. If the prequels had built the tension between Dooku and Anakin, Grievous and Obi-Wan, The Senate and Yoda, etc. better, it wouldn't have mattered. His chocolate argument makes no damn sense. The chocolate is the emotional/character confrontation, not the physical confrontation. People use guns all the fucking time in Westerns, but there are duels in that genre which far surpass anything in Star Wars.
I never understood why people like the Episode III lightsaber fights so much, they're over-choreographed, over the top, and lifeless compared to the duels in Episodes V, VI, VII and even Episode IV had me more engaged than any Lightsaber duel in the Prequels
RiderNexus you and Hello Greedo are right. When i was watching Ep 3 dual i was thinking... are they going to exchange any dialogue at some point? I liked the Darth Maul fight more. There was simply no emotion in that dual for me. ESB & ROJ duals are the benchmark.
I have to disagree with you here. While I agree some prequel fights were over the top, and that character development and intensity should take precedent. it makes perfect sense to me there is a lack of rarity in how lightsabers are used int he prequels. The lightsaber is so rare and sacred in the originals because Jedi and Sith are now so rare. It makes sense that before the Jedi purge, the weapon was more widely used and had less meaning attached to it because it lacked that rarity. The movies should reflect that.
And yet 19 years later everyone in the Galaxy suddenly act like the Jedi are a long forgotten myth, if the Jedi and Lightsabers are so commonplace in Prequel Time, then why are people in the OT so shocked or laugh at the idea of a laser sword or an order of monastic knights that move things around with their minds, 20 years even in a galaxy is an extemely short time, in Luke's case it makes sense since he basically lived sheltered in Tatooine, but what is Han's excuse? How come a Smuggler in his late 20's that boast to have been in all the galaxy thinks the Jedi or the Force are mumbo jumbo? It makes no sense, Hell when Eragon, FREAKING ERAGON has a better reason as to why its Jedi surrogates are a myth by the time its plot starts you know Lucas done fucked up.
He already explained that it's not a numbers thing. Just because there were more Jedi in the prequel doesn't mean there needs to be more lightsabers. This harkens backs to the candy analogy. You have to put yourself in the mind of the writer, and give the audience what they didn't know they wanted, not what you already know they wanted. Otherwise Star Wars would be one big orgy of lightsaber battles. They'd be flashy and entertaining at the lowest common denominator, but you'd lose interest just as quickly. Hell, Jedi Knight and Jedi Master aren't even the only Jedi jobs, so there are plenty who don't even need to use their lightsabers
I disagree with that as well. It was explained in the originals that lightsabers were the weapon of the Jedi knights. THE weapon. The choice weapon. So when there's a war going on, and tons of Jedi, I do think there necessarily must be more lightsabers. i don't buy his argument then any trained Jedi, mastered in the art of lightsaber combat, would choose to use a blaster instead. That makes far less sense to me, and would be equally criticized as a plot device. It makes sense for Luke in Empire because he was still fairly novice in lightsaber combat.
baseballlover312 In that case, I can still see a means of omitting lightsabers. If we're being completely honest, we didn't see much of the Clone Wars in the prequel trilogy. The Clone Wars TV shows, definitely, but not in the movies. I can look past the overabundance of lightsabers in the TV shows, because it actually looks like a series of wars. Episode II and III only show the beginning and end And he's not arguing that trained Jedi use blasters. I'm fairly certain none of them have, aside from Obi-wan and Luke. The force is also a common weapon, and there are many other melee weapons at their disposal that are shown in the EU or TV shows
Why would Maul and Obi-wan and Quigon have an emotional connection on the level of a father and son? They are simply acinet enemies. There is plenty emotion in the prequel fights; quigon is calm and focused to take down Maul, obi wan gives into aggression to defeat him. Anakin shows his arrogance and is defeated by the Count. Obiwan vs Grievous are playing each other (something obiwan has done with both ventress and griveous throught the clone wars). Yoda vs Sidious is essentially showing to Masters of their arts duelling; Yoda remains calm throught the confronation while sidious finds joy in his arrogance. Just because they are more flashy doesnt mean they lack emotional impact.
BetweenTwo Lungs agree 100%. it all depends on how YOU personally feel about it, at that point opinion differs. I kinda hate that Hellogreedo talks about his opinion like its fact. I get he doesn't intend that, but it sure as hell comes off that way.
BetweenTwo Lungs I love " The Clone Wars - Series " because it gives us more detail of the relaitionship between the Characters in the Prequel Trilogy . This makes the lightsaber fights more fun , entertaining and enhanced the Value knowing the Relaitionship between the Characters and there Rivalries . The Clone Wars really did a Good job Contributing to the Prequels and Characters .
Bill Fucking Murray In a new hope, all Vader was simply a masked henchman and knew little of Obi Wan at the time. Much of the emotion comes from Lukes reaction to obiwans death. My point with the Maul vs Obi and Quigon duel, was that just because the characters hadnt interacted before (like vader and obiwan in 1977) doesnt mean there is no emotion in the fight. There is clearly a almost scared animosity between both parties. Additionally, we get tension in the ray sheild scene, then obiwans reaction to quigons death. To says the duels have no emotion simply by the fact they more choerogrpahed is simply not true. Do you care less about Yoda as a character simply because he is jumping around ?
Best fight ever made! The dialogue makes the fight great. The best scene in the whole saga is when luke loses himself and starts banging on vader and when luke pulls himself away from becoming anakin. "I will never turn to the dark side, i am jedi like my father before me."
I think it has the greatest emotional impact (except maybe the Mustafar duel), but the worst choreography, to me the most important thing in a duel is 1. Variety and 2. Conveying story through choreography, I think the OT and PT do both of these things generally equally but the RoTJ duel does neither of these things very well. With the exception of the time Luke gives into anger, he uses the same move over and over again, it's not very engaging and it doesn't really convey anything other than "Luke doesn't suck as much as he used to", but even then, I don't think it's portrayed that well. The things I like are Luke giving into his anger, even if the times he hits the railings don't feel as powerful as they should, the other thing being Luke's Jedi jump, that's the smoothest and most glorious flip I think I've ever seen, I'm still not sure if the "high ground" thing in RoTS was to foreshadow the moment when Vader throws his lightsaber as to not make the same mistake but I'd like to think so.
The Jedi were in their prime in the Prequels. So yeah, the fights will be more over the top. Also, every fight in the Prequel had emotion or a backstory to it.
While this is a well-made video, I must disagree with HelloGreedo here. The lightsaber fights were supposed to be different from the original and prequel trilogies. As Obi-Wan said in A New Hope "an elegant weapon from a more civilized age." In my interpretation, the choreography of the prequels reflected how the Jedi fought, with grace and precision. You criticize the prequel fights for being unrealistic, but this is a universe where space ships, wizards using laser swords, fat slugs, and a mystical energy field all co-exist. Realism flew out the window the moment the Imperial Stardestroyer chased down the blockade runner in A New Hope. And all though I do enjoy the originals more than the prequels, their fights had emotion. Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Maul was tense at how fast each combatant was going. When Qui-Gon got skewered, you can see the rage on Obi-Wan's face when he was trapped behind that energy wall and when he fought Maul again, the intensity ramped up. I know many criticize Yoda for using a lightsaber, but I honestly don't mind. In most of the prequels, he hardly ever uses a lightsaber unless directly challenged (such as Dooku goading him in Ep 2) or when he was forced to (such as when the clones tried to execute him and Sidious attacking him in Ep 3.) Also, the Mustafar duel itself is supposed to be the ultimate battle of master versus student, seeing how fast and precise Anakin and Obi-Wan were with Anakin on the offensive and Obi-Wan on the defense. In my view, the reason why Obi-Wan and Darth Vader's rematch in A New Hope had more impact is because of the Mustafar duel, especially with Obi-Wan's rant to Anakin when the fight ended (Ewan McGregor is awesome). I also feel that your Jaws and Alien comparison do not compare here as those movies are entirely different by tone and structure. Those movies had an overall feeling of fear, seeing as the shark and the alien were antagonists and the tone of those movies were about survival horror. Star Wars is about family, hope, legacy, and redemption, and so I feel comparing this franchise to those movies seems odd. Apologies for how long this comment is, I just disagree with Greedo here mostly because of he tries to ground Star Wars by making it realistic even though this series is, in the end, fantasy. Still, this is just my opinion in the end and I respect Greedo's, even though I do not agree.
the prequel fights would of been amazing had there been more diologue and had they been shorter... with the exception of my favorite prequel the phantom menace, Darth Maul was mysterious, for him to speak much would ruin it in my view basically prequel fights, shorter, more diologue and less of the lightsaber the prequels wernt that bad, but i think they were rejected because they was A: a totally different look and B: it was rushed
Hmmm... yeah. As much I as enjoy the Mustafar duel, I agree that George should have added more dialogue and the fight shouldn't be as long as it was. And yeah, I find this notion that the prequels are few of the worst movies ever very annoying. I've seen movies that are far worse *cough, cough, Batman & Robin, cough, cough* and even though I only enjoy watching one of the prequels (that being Revenge of the Sith), I can still appreciate what George was trying to tell. Even though I prefer the original trilogy, I'm glad the prequels exist. Because those movies led to the creation of many great Star Wars material, like the Clone Wars cartoons, KOTOR, the Darth Bane trilogy, and so on. Honestly, this prequel hate bothers me because it is essentially beating a dead horse by now.
I agree when you see a lightsaber your not like oh no I'm so scared it's a that's cool moment lighsabers arnt horor that's why I like the clone wars more than the ot 1)cw 2)ot It had amazing fights all the time amazing diolouge and great character development what he said today is not right imo They are at war lol ofc they gonna have jedi when they can there are loads of jedi who are all trained from a young age they are gonna be amazing at it
Hello Greedo makes a good point but I disagree entirely. The sole purpose of the prequel trilogy served to feed our hunger in seeing Jedi in their prime and seeing the fall of Anakin Skywalker who embraced some what of the "American Dream" in the galaxy. From a slave boy to someone who wanted to make a new name for his family but brining balance to the force and building a new generation and name for his family. Both Padme and Anakin were the faces of the galaxy essentially but conflicting ideals is what turned him to the Darkside. Just because the dialogue could have been better written doesn't mean the emotion wasn't there in the prequels. What about When Anakin comes back to his mother he promised to help free from slavery. And watches her die in his arms and then savagely slaughters sand people? Or what about Boba and Jango fett spending quality father and son time then to see Windu behead his father from his point of view? Or when Palpatine tells Anakin to kill Dooku and the uncertainty and the eeriness Prequels aren't as bad as people say and the sequels can learn a lot of good from the prequels. Like not being a copy and paste story. Still an authentically made Star Wars film, but come on. It's 2016, why are we copying storylines from 1977? Really? Emotional buildup is in both trilogies.
I agree 100%. I grew up in the prime of the prequels - unlike most hardcore Star Wars fans who grew up in the original saga. So, "Star Wars" to me meant Episodes 1-3. I watched those first. I also agree with Greedo about over saturation of lightsaber duels. But in my perspective, I thought that the Yoda and Darth Sideous fight was awesome. Yes, it is extremely un realistic and looks pretty retarted with Yoda jumping all over the place (I hated Episode 2 and 1 and everything about them except the last 20 minutes of clones). BUT, the idea of the two "power houses" of both good and evil FINALLY dueling off was awesome to me. Also, I loved the Clone Wars TV show. SW:TCW is by far *THE BEST THING that came from the prequels*. The clone wars show added to Anakin and the clones in which the movies didn't. The Clone Wars TV show revealed the side of the Clone Troopers that the movies never showed. It showed how Anakin actually had emotion and fleshed out his character like the movies miserably failed to do so. I really hated how it had to end pre-maturely and be replaced by a shitty kid show that is barely Star Wars (Rebels on Disney channel).
I agree with the emotion being in the prequels, despite "poor dialogue." People misunderstand the "I don't like sand" line because of how cheesy it seems, but they don't seem to get something: sand is a reminder of Anakin's slave days. Padme mentions it in a reflection of her younger days, and it brings forth Anakin's trauma. In an attempt to romantically converse with her, he brings up the contrast of the thing that he spent time around as a slave when compared to his happiest thought of a friendly woman (quite possibly the first person who understood how he really felt besides his mother) he's thought of constantly for 10 years. And don't say I read too deeply into this. I got that understanding of the scene at SIX years old!
RoyalDweller agree with everything you say except the part saying episode 1 and 2 was shit. Episode 1 and 2 had amazing moments but episode 3 ofc was the best. But without them episode 3 wouldn't make much sense so they are necessary to a certain extent. But hey everyone has their own opinions. Besides there are many differences at play - episode 1 is just more kid friendly i guess, episode 2 just dubs down romance
FlorBraMan you could also say the "I don't like sand" in a different tone, it would of been better - what I'm getting at is that Anakin's acting is also to blame
I don't think its the usage of the lightsabers that's the issue for me more how they are used. I dislike the weird flips and spins. I also hated when Yoda or Darth Sidious fought. They've always kind of seemed like strong force users who are very intelligent (Yoda in wisdom and Sidious in manipulation) but having them fight and do a bunch of flips was really weird and unnecessary. Duel of Fates is the best fight because it had strong attacks and not too many flips or crazy tricks. I feel the Battle of Heroes would've been better if the attacks had been closed up and not jumping around or swinging on ropes.
I can definitely understand and even agree with some of the points expressed in this video, but I have to mostly disagree. I enjoy watching the more realistic duels of the Originals that certainly had more mythological and meaningful aspects to them, but I also love the duels of the Prequels. Sure, they aren't realistic in regards to sword combat, but I think that's the point. These movies aren't realistic fiction, they're fiction. The duels don't have to be realistic, because the lightsaber combat styles existing in the Star Wars universe are also fictional. It's explained that force users have extraordinary reflexes, so why shouldn't they be able to execute movements that are not realistic to the normal human beings such as us, or even the non-force sensitive beings in the Star Wars Universe? In the originals, the only people we see use a lightsaber in combat are an old, worn down man who had been out of practice in lightsaber combat and been only focusing on furthering himself in his relationship with the force, a man with robotic arms that faltered his speed in regards to using a lightsaber, and a boy who was never really trained in lightsaber combat thoroughly and instead had to adapt to utilizing it through the war combat in which he engaged in. The lightsaber is THE weapon of a Jedi, so why shouldn't it be used for nearly all combat purposes? The reason (that I have deduced through my observations) that Luke used a blaster on cloud city is because he wasn't looking to run around and slice through the imperial forces stationed there, he wasn't looking to engage in close quarters combat. He merely wanted to get to where his friends were without any other trouble, and only use a blaster if he was caught to keep distance instead of having to run towards his opponents with his lightsaber activated, as that could move him to where he didn't want to go and standing his ground with a blaster in hand would allow him stay where he needed to and defend himself. I think that you can savor the different aspects of both the Original and Prequel duels. They both present interesting details to the Star Wars Universe.
You know one thing that people should understand is that lightsabers were the weapon of the Jedi and Sith and were of more common sight before the days of the Empire. It makes sense for them to flash it around and use it for defense and for offensive purposes. I mean seriously guys, do you think the Jedi used blasters when peaceful negotiations went wrong?
Did anyone else feel like the lightsaber duel in episode 2 was tacked on just because they thought they needed a fight at the end? I think it could have gone without. The one time I think it was justified was in the big fight in the arena, because it showed how many Jedi there were and I thought that made the outcome of the story more intense, knowing that all of them were killed. But I think it would have made more sense to have something like that in the third movie, so that it made more of an impact. Most people probably didn't think about all those people dieing because you didn't see as many in the third film
I think there's a video showing Lucas pretty much decide on the spot to tack on the lightsaber duel just to do the Yoda flippy scene- so yes, i think you are spot on.
I liked the way The Force Awakanes uses lightsabers, the only 2 times you have a lightsaber duel is the climatic duel and the TR-8R duel, and after that ended Fin just took a blaster and went back to shooting, it wasn't over used, I just hope episode 8 does the same thing and we don't see Luke leaping around slaying 1st order soldiers with his lightsaber but a Luke using the force with great precision only using a lightsaber as a the last option
Kylo whips out his saber all the time. Rey and Fin didn't really know how to use one and preferred blasters. Well until the end when Rey magically knew how to use one.
Kanglar No, the way Rey uses the lightsaber sloppily, plus she knows how to fight with a melee weapon anyway so how would a lightsaber be any different?
Let me guess before I watch this video, It's Greedo bashing the prequels for using the lightsaber too much even though it makes complete sense in the story.
People need to appreciate the prequel fights more and what they added to the lore. I love the OT fights because of the emotion in the fights and the meaning in the story, but I love the prequel fights because of the choreography and the different fighting styles it added to the lore.
Kieran Holmes the prequel fights look like over the top dances with no tension rather than duels because we can't relate to the characters. Adding history to the lore doesn't make the fight good in itself and it doesn't make crappy movies any better. If you like them and the prequels, awesome. Glad you can enjoy something I can't, but you have to see why compared to the OT, the prequel lightsaber lose their meaning in a way. When there's a million different lightsaber colors flashing and dancing in the Geonosis arena with CGI explosions and lasers flying all over the screen, it's not special. Again, if you like it, awesome. I'm not being sarcastic about it, I love Star Wars like you, but in my eyes, the prequels aren't really true Star Wars. Yes I know it's part of the canon which there's nothing I can do about but from a real world perspective.
In a world with laser rifles and projectile weapons, the prequel's reliance on lightsabers makes "complete sense"? Really? I'm not being a douche, but really think about that; you have the option of being several meters away and killing your enemy with minimal risk to yourself (you can even take cover between shots) and you think it makes more sense to get up close and personal, completely exposed to use a lightsaber? So, no, I'm sorry- the prequel's over-reliance on the lightsaber makes very little sense. Lightsaber battles should have been reserved for close quarters combat, fighting inside pressurized spacecraft and when two equal knights wanted to duel with honor.
I agree with you opinion, but as a nerd of star wars I thought the prequel duels expanded on the lightsaber. for example, they added the concept of different lightsaber combat styles. like obi won's defensive form 3, and Mace Windu's aggressive form 7 . in their duels u can easily tell the forms they choose. in the original they fight more like swords(which is still cool) But in my opinion I think having different lightsaber combat styles gives more of a background to this weapon we all love. BTW I still liked the originals better
When you say "Lightsabers were used for only emotional moments in the OT" well there wasn't a Jedi order with 1,000 Jedi Knights in the original trilogy so that's why there are so many light saber battles. It was a time of war in the PT. The Clone Wars. That's why there are battles
Well he kinda said in the video that it doesn't matter if there were much more jedis during the prequels. The lightsaber fights still should be used sparingly.
I know the prequels were mainly terrible, but the saber fights are far, far better. Tired of all these hipsters saying how they prefer the boring ass ¨clashes¨ from the original trilogy.
I like that the original trilogy treated lightsabers like swords in pirate movies. Battles are fought with pistols, cannons and bombs, and sword fights usually happen at the end between two major characters.
The best fight is 100% the one in The Carbonite Freezing Chambers of Bespin. So much emotion, so much suspense, and the action is very intense but also grounded.
I think the AoTC duel does this a _little_ better, but that might just be because I prefer Obi-Wan and Anakin's character over Luke, I still love Luke but still.
The Force Awakens lightsabers duel between Rey, Fin and Kylo Ren is the best, in my eyes. It felt visceral. The lightsabers felt like they had weight and like they were extremely dangerous weapons and not just glow sticks. The wounds the characters sustained felt painful and impactful. The setting was tense. It was watching two scared kids try to fight off a monster in the woods.
Silver Fang I personally disliked the duel at the end of TFA. The scenery was nice but the fact that both Kylo and Finn were able to take hits that would have killed characters in other films bothered me.
purplemadness1998 I think that's just a general star wars thing, in all honesty. I mean, Maul came back after being cut in half and falling down a might-as-well-be-bottomless pit. Anakin should have been very dead as Obi-Wan left him on Mustafar. etc.
Why get defensive over the fact that this "Decade old argument" is clearly widespread. Surely the same point holds weight. If you get enough people giving the the correct answer to 2+2 then the answer must simply be 4 without throwing your toys out if the pram screaming "It's 69".
+GrantKP except George didn't dream of anything prequel related until 17 years after Star Wars became a hit... His golden Pen never touched the paper until 1994. LoL.
Nosfonader87 his review or rogue one proves his obsession with only the originals, which is why he loves rebels and 7, since it's a remake of a new hope, but rogue one was more action packed and not mystical so he doesn't like it much.
Well you have to remember this about the Anakin and Obi-Wan fight: They are the two BEST lightsaber users in the galaxy fighting against each other. The best going up against the best. They know each other's skills. Also, there is a weaker gravity on Mustafar which makes sense for ALL the lightsaber fights in the Outer Rim planets like Qui-Gon Vs. Maul and Dooku Vs. Yoda.
Like the movie or not, the lightsaber fight in the Force Awakens was amazing. A perfect blend if grittiness and beauty. The setting was also my second favorite for a battle ever outside of Empire.
The only gripe I have is that it was edited side by side with Poe's scenes which everyone and their grandma knew what was going to happen with that scene. I think the Rey and Kylo fight should have been one singular scene.
Agreed. I don't like the fighting style of the prequel lightsabers. I understand Greedo's point, but they ARE too slow. And the moments where you see they're clearly aiming to swing at empty space between the two drives me nuts. The Force Awakens proved that you don't need superhuman feats and jumps to make the fight interesting. You just need the right pace and good camera angles.
In terms of choreography I completely agree, it was fast and intense but still grounded in reality, not to mention it looked fantastic. However it's not as good as the fights in Empire or Return of the Jedi because we have had more time with those characters, and it seems those fights were more focused on the story than the action. Also You may want to edit your spelling of Poe's name.
Rick Berman McCallum Didn't necessarily say they were better than any one fight. Just pointed out that they were really good. Imo Empire has the two best scenes in the entire Star Wars saga. With the lightsaber fight being one of them.
100% agree about that. The only thing the death star killer super weapon mcguffin being destroyed did was add a sense of urgency to the fight. In terms of choreography I do think it is the best fight. It's intense but not over the top and it's grounded but not clunky or too slow for the ADD crowd.
He died in the movies, and they they brought him back cause they realised they screwed up, so revitalised the character, Greedo knows that i'm sure. And yeah clone wars had good moments, but the point of the video isn't that they are cool lightsaber fights, but that the saber fights should have weight, and a reason why they would begin to use the lightsaber. just like the video: It's like having a chocolate bar versus, a bag full. You would probably savoir the the one, and enjoy every bit, while a bag you probably wouldn't care. Prequels big bag of candy, OG trilogy one candy bar.
Soulwarsnerd True. The lightsaber duels in TCW are amazing because they have weight (most of the time) Anakin VS Barriss, Darth Maul and Savage VS Sidious, Pre Vizsla VS Darth Maul. Even then, the best combats in this series aren't lightsaber fights, they are clone battles, fist fight (Clovis VS Anakin) and more. The prequels showed how the Jedi lost their way and became fighters instead of peacekeepers. They showed that WAY better in the t.v. show, but it's still a part of the prequels: the Jedi were wrong. That's perhaps the best thing about the prequels --> in the O.T. Jedi were the wise and good guys, but we were shown in the prequels they made mistakes (HUGE MISTAKES). Even the wisest, smartest, coolest, characters make errors; *Jedi were selfish*
The point is Darth Maul didn't come back in the films. He may have still been alive in Clone Wars and Rebels, but as far as the films are concerned, his fate didn't make a difference, so he may as well have been dead anyway. EDIT: Yes, I know Clone Wars and Rebels are both canon. Will people please stop hounding me about that?
SimplyJay The Clone Wars IS canon. His presence didn't affect the films, but that doesn't mean he didn't affect anything in the universe. He had impact in the show.
Here's my thoughts on the lightsabre fights from the different trilogies: Original Trilogy - In regards to the emotion, story and character work, they're great but from a choreography standpoint they aren't the greatest since every one of them involved at least one older opponent and there aren't moments of flash. Prequel Trilogy - This trilogy helped expand on the lightsabres with the different colours and forms of combat like Form 3. And they all had some level of emotion that wasn't all father and son. It can an opponent on opponent level or a former apprentice turned enemy on former friend level. Along with the flashy choreography which is to be expected due to the mass of Jedi and their Sith opponents. Sequel Trilogy - In my opinion, the perfect blend of the flashy choreography of the Prequels and the emotional weight of the Originals.
The choreography was obviously better in the prequels, heck that's practically where all the effort and the entire budget for the films went alongside the visual effects and CGI. But I think the reason ,why in my opinion, lightsaber battles where better in the OT is because there was emotion behind the characters and the events surrounding them. It was never supposed to be about the lightsabers themselves, but about the characters. The only battle in the prequels that had any emotion at all was the mustafar battle, but even that dragged on a bit too long and as a result lost some of it's impact. How Lucas understood this concept in the 70's and 80's and somehow forgot everything he knew about filmmaking when making the prequels baffles me to no end.
Lucas was surrounded by yes-men in the prequels. I can only assume the struggles he faced with the originals, what with having to make compromises with executives and limit his imagination due to budget restrictions impacted his decision to have complete creative control in the prequels. What I don't think he realizes is that it's integral to get a second, third, or 10th opinion to make sure the movie is as good as it can be. Being a director's a tough job, but he needs to understand that there are sacrifices
No, the fight against Darth Maul was not the best choreographed, it just looks like they're dancing, not fighting. It's like you can tell the actors knew what the next move was, and when that happens, the whole magic disperses. Lightsaber fights should never be about flips and constantly doing cool moves, they should just be a simple sword fight, like how Samurai fight each other, there can be cool moves, but not too much or overwhelming. Rey vs Kylo Ren was a pretty cool fight, so was Luke vs Darth Vader in Jedi, it felt genuine and realistic, each swing and attack from the fighters hold significant weight behind it. The prequels, in general, conveyed poorly choreographed lightsaber duels, they are overwhelming and absurd.
All the prequel defenders in the comments are just saying, "Well, from a lore perspective, it makes sense that there are more lightsabers in the prequels". Please, please stop using that excuse. Lore-friendliness is not an achievement. You could show two hours of some nemoidian accountant filing his taxes and it would be lore friendly. It doesn't matter what the lore says if that lore leads to a boring movie. The setting should serve the film, not hinder it.
That isn't the point I was making, which you should know by the content of my previous comment. You can keep the corrupting of the Republic into the Empire, that stuff was actually pretty good. What I was saying was that the lore should serve to add flavor to a story, not force the story to bend over backwards to accommodate the lore.
1. Luke and Vader in bespin 2. Luke and Vader in death star 2 3. Rey and Kylo in Starkiller base 4. Vader and Obi-wan in Death star 1 5. Obi-wan and Anakin in mustafar 6. duel against maul (it really has no meaning, but at least it looks damm cool) The rest can go in any order. They really dont do much for me.
This is basically my opinion too, though I'd honestly place Vader vs Obi-wan after Anakin vs Obi-wan. I'm a bigger fan of prequel Obi-wan than I am of orig trig Obi-wan
Daniel Ortiz Change 1 to 2 and 5 to 3 and the other away around... Yeah you right the other fights are meaningless. But I love General Grievous wheelbike from Episode III🌶
You can’t really blame the prequels for using lightsabers a lot. A lightsaber is a jedis weapon, and the film had a lot of Jedi in it. What are they supposed to do, not use their lightsabers when they’re surrounded by droids or sith?
Dick Pasta skit reminds me of the Big Lipped Alligator Moment. Still, great vid as always! I think having less lightsaber fights is good for the story, but I guess if people want larger landscapes like Mustafar, then to each his own.
The duel from Empire Strikes Back is the best because it had so much weight and you can feel the tension of Luke meeting Vader for the first time. Not to mention Vader flying down those stairs, and the dialogue is all unbelievable.
revenge of the sith Obi-Wan vs anakin lightsaber fight was great! stop hating on the prequels! are they as good as the originals no but they are still really good and the lightsaber duels in rots are great!
I understand what you're saying, Greedo. But Lightsabers are awesome. The more the merrier in my opinion. haha But Revenge was "my" Star Wars Movie. It was the one that got me into star wars. So I see things different. ha
NET Alliance - SW Fun me as well to a certain extent. In my childhood, I remembered two things: the fight in episode 6 but most of all the fight in episode 3 in Mustafar, that one just... *AHH ITS TOO GOOD to forget*
Get out of my head! I couldn't agree more. Everything you said was spot on. I remember walking out of TPM thinking, 'that fight was cool, but the characters had absolutely no relationship, and there was no dialogue driving the drama of the scene'. And the overly frilly, choreographed nature of the rest of the prequel fights just sapped them of any weight for me. I much prefer the light saber fights of the OT and the sequels.
Obi-Wan : "I have the high ground Anakin!" Anakin/Darth Vader : "I'm going to kill you by jumping up high and trying to dodge your lightsaber skills, even though I'll fail, I'll do it anyway!"
Valpas Kankaristo Actually, real Jedi are intended to fight like in the prequels. People who prefer the slow fighting style have super glued their nostalgia glasses on.
This video is absolutely not what the title implied. It was basically just "I like how scarcely they were used in the original trilogy and every star wars property should do it like that even though the context of the eras were completely different." Homie didnt say, "make sure that the duels are meaningful and enhance the over all story." Instead he was just like "having less inherently makes them better." Even though his reasoning behind that is actually that the original trilogy successfully made sure each duel was character driven and made the characters develop as a result of what happened during the duels. The reasoning for what makes great lightsaber duel does not add up with the overarching conclusion made that less is more. This video is saying two different things and Greedo seems completely unaware of it. Im not trying to be a jerk this is just my observation of what I believe to be a poorly constructed argument.
I disagree with you on the EP II lightsaber yoda fight. That moment when Yoda pulled his out his lightsaber was a thrill. The rest, was meh, but that moment when he force pulled it from his belt was slow mo best part of the prequels.
This is so great. I never realized why I felt so much stronger about Like and Vaders fight when Anakin and Obi wans was more action packed. Now I realize its because the emotions are stronger and its more about the story than just swinging blades.
I wish you actually examined the lightsaber fights. I like your videos and I like your opinions but you keep pushing the "original>prequel" thing over and over on your every video.
I disagree with his stance on the Yoda vs The Emperor fight. There was drama and tension seeing the avatar of light and the avatar of darkness clash. Yes, the prequel fights don't have the same emotional weight as the OT fights, but a lot of the fighting better and dumb fun.
If the prequels are so "bad" why does everyone wants a star wars battlefront 2 in the prequels era, yeah because the most epic shit happend in the prequels, cool battles, nice space battles, cool arena and lightsabers battles, much to explore
because it's the most interesting time period. The reason most people like the prequel era is because of the Clone Wars series, which was far better than the prequels could ever be.
With Lightsaber battles in the PT, I'd argue this actually comes down to a conceptual flaw in the prequels (one that would admittedly be pretty hard to fix, I might add). Part of what makes the OT cool was that it took place after some great fall. The Jedi get a lot of mystique because they're the heroes of a bygone golden age. By contrast, the PT is showing that golden age-it's an era where the Jedi are sort of mundane.
For me, the problem isn't how frequently the lightsabers appear, but the choreography of the lighsaber duels. I dont' care if there's 1 or 5 lightsaber duels in the movies as long as they're good. This is how i rank the fights 1: Empire Strikes back 2: Return of The Jedi 3: The Force Awakens 4: Phantom Menace These are good duels because they are not too slow and not too fast. You can actually see what's going on and pay attention. Good choreography and emotional. Interesting settings. 5: Anakin vs Obi-Wan Very emotional. Interesting setting but terrible choreography. They move too fast. It feels like a dance and not like a fight. 6: Obi-Wan vs General Greivous Not a good lightsaber duel, but a good fight in general. It has a chase scene. We get to see a jedi fight with something else than a lightsaber and it concludes without lightsabers. 7: Anakin & Obi-Wan vs Count Dooku in ROTS 8: Mace Windu vs Palpatine 9: Anakin & Obi-Wan vs Count Dooku in AOTC These fights are too fast paced. They're kind of cool first time you see them as a kid but now they're boring. Can't really follow what they're doing. 10: I really don't care for the Yoda battles or the Old Obi-Wan vs Vader battle. The Yoda battles are WAY too fast paced and just plain stupid. The old Obi-Wan vs Vader battle is WAY too slow and boring, it doesn't even look like they're trying.
The Mustafar fight is great too and not just cause of the original trilogy. It’s because of all the buildup that was presented by AOTC and ROTS. It’s also because of the intelligent choreography and acting presented throughout. Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship has always been tense so to see their differing personalities clashing over the glow of Mustafar’s molten seas is amazing. Evolving over the movies, from new apprentice thrust upon Obi-Wan out of respect for Qui-Gon, to a tense, overbearing, but ultimately loving father-son relationship, to equals as brothers in arms. And now they are enemies. Anakin driven to fight against everything he believed in to save the love of his life from the grave. And Obi-Wan the master who was too blinded by fatherly love to see what Anakin was becoming until it was too late. Obi-Wan loved him as if he were his own but Anakin was too far gone and too powerful to ignore. “You were my brother Anakin, I loved you.” Some of the saddest words I have ever see on film. You can keep “No I am your father” cause this is way more powerful.
I stand by my opinion that the fight from TFA is the best one. It's kinetic, emotional and it looks absolutely amazing thanks to 3D printed lightsabers and expert lighting by the film crew. Right after that comes ROTJ, ESB, ANH, TPM. The other fights can die in a fire for all I care.
I didn't really like the tfa fight because I was super confused about how someone who had never held a lightsaber before could beat someone who was pretty experienced with a lightsaber. it looked good visually but sorta lacked continuity
elias heimark she knows how to fight with melee weapons. Fighting with a bo-staff is way more dangerous than fighting with a 'sword' single shaft type weapon
NO! It is much more emotional that in the prequels you see many lightsabers and in the original less so you realize that the Jedi Purge has killed the Jedi almost all and the only one who can save the galaxy is Obi-Wan, Luke and Vader. And the reason I found the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin emotional was because I found them such a great duo and they had a nice friendship. To see them fighting hurt me because I found it sad that their friendship was completely over. Thats why its not wrong to watch them in this order: I, II, II, IV, V, VI I HAD TEARS BY SEEING HAYDEN IN EPISODE 6! TOO DAMN EMOTIONAL\ THATS WHY I LOVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um... doesnt Obi Wan use his lightsaber to chop off some random asshats arm? So much for “emotional powerful scenes only”. And Luke uses his lightsaber to cut open the bottom of the AT-AT. Yoda doesn’t teach Luke about lightsaber fighting because he doesn’t want Luke to fight. Because “wars not make one great”. And since the Jedi are actively involved in the Clone Wars, they would need to use their chosen weapons much more. Luke only uses his blaster up to the point he faces Vader because he’s trying to sneak around, and lightsabers are kinda loud
I think the thing to keep in mine here are the two…camps, we'll call them. Let's us Dragon Ball Z as an example. Not too long ago two movies came out Resection F and Battle of Gods. The fan base was completely divided. Half thought Resurrection sucked ass and Gods was the best DBZ movie ever. The other half thought Gods sucked and Resurrection was a good movie. This went on until Lanipator, the unofficial king of DBZ fan base said. They appeal to two different types of people, some like characters and story, some like action and fighting. I think that applies here. I still agree with hellogreedo, but I think all these people saying. "I hate these hipsters who only like the original trilogy." Need to stop and just agree to disagree.
I think Force Awakens did a great job of combining the good elements of the prequel fights with the original trilogy's more emotional and raw style of fighting. I can't wait to see Luke vs Knights of Ren.
I disagree, it's like saying how Rick from the Walking Dead shouldn't use his gun because it should be reserved for an emotional moment. That's bullshit, the lightsaber is just a much as a ordinary weapon as Rick's gun is to him. They use it when they need to. The reason you didn't see much of it in the OT is because all the Jedi were dead and there was only 3 or 4 major force users at the time. Your examples of Alien and Jaws are also very out of place. Those are thrillers/horror movies. They need that tension of not seeing the creature to be good. Star Wars is an action syfy movie
Yeah, but realistically if you had the psychic power to predict when and where bullets are gonna hit you and a magic sword that deflects bullets, are you really gonna use another gun or a magic sword?
AverageOwen Yeah. As much I disagree with the prequels direction I'll always respect the beautiful fight choreography. The last fight scene in Revenge of The Sith was like they were dancing and it synched with the music score so perfectly. Also, I didn't think that last fight scene was overthetop at all. I thought the length was perfect for what it was, which was one of the most legendary duels of all time. In my opinion, there still isn't a fight that tops it.
***** If Obi Wan were to "flip out" it would go against everything he was trained for. Jedi aren't supposed to flip out, they're trained to be level headed and focused, which is how he lost no limbs. Yoda vs Count Dooku: It doesn't make any sense why people don't like seeing Yoda aka a Jedi Master with a lightsaber... I know you're used to seeing him being a washed up Jedi hiding in a swamp, but he was a Jedi Master before he went into hiding/lost his mind (sarcasm) Obi Wan vs Anakin: Like Return of The Jedi, I think these two fights are similar in emotion. I mean, it's master vs student, or in Obi Wan's case it was like fighting someone who he considered to be a little brother. I mean, he ended up defeating him, cutting off his arm and both his legs only to be engulfed in flames to die a slow and excruciating death before him. And that whole fight started over Obi-Wan finding out Anakin wiped out his own people, so that revelation was the basic foundation of that fight. It's not as pointless as your bias statement says it is. It only took Space Hitler to say some dumb shit to Luke about his sister (that he just found out was his sister) that got him triggered enough to fight him like a mad weeabo with a sword. Even though Space Hitler killed Obi-Wan, tortured Han, wiped out the Jedi, and blew up a planet, he got triggered by the most pettiest thing ever: an invitation to the dark side, as if Leia would ever join.
Well his points aren't wrong. The prequel duels look good for sure but that's about it. Most of them don't really have much depth, and that's a turnoff for a lot of people.
MegaDragonslayer1995 The reason people didn't like seeing Yoda with a lightsaber is because before the prequels, he was always portrayed as above it. Notice that he never trains Luke with a lightsaber? And how he tells Luke to leave his lightsaber and weapons before he goes into the cave? And when he lifts the X-wing out of the swamp like it's nothing? He was that catalyst showing us that the force (and by extension, Yoda) was far beyond things like blasters or lightsabers. And I don't know about you, but I dont think flipping around with a foot long lightsaber, screaming like he's passing a 12 pound kidney stone lines up with that character.
Prequel era is based on time where jedi are not a rare thing to see. Everybody is a freaking jedi. Also you mentioned ‘realistic battle’ Its STARWARS. Nobody’s here to see realistic shits. I respect your opinion but you are missing sooooo many things
This video kinda feels like it's only purpose is to be a bash to the prequels. I understand your resentment for the prequels, but just because you don't feel the emotions in certain fights doesn't mean that they aren't there. I agree that the Short Luke vs Vader moment in ROTJ is jam packed with emotion and the best fight in all of the current star wars movies, I also don't think it can be topped. However, the Obi-wan vs Vader fight in ANH, just doesn't make me feel much. I understand to others it does, and I don't dismantle their opinion based on mine. Sure, maybe holding back the appearance of the Lightsaber could have done something for the story, but I honestly think that it enhances the story that lightsabers were heavily used for a long time period and then sequentially become extremely rare for the next 50 years. And honestly the Lightsaber fight in TFA is well choreographed, but the music felt sub par to every other lightsaber fights music, which hurt my feelings towards the fight.
I agree and disagree. I think they should be used whenever, but depict a realistic fighting style. I thought the prequels we're to choreographed and planned out and I thought the original just wasn't as entertaining. Imo the force awakens has the best light saber fighting ever, it's realistic and raw and emotional. It's just perfection
How realistically are the Jedi supposed to be in combat? Don't they possess prescience and telekinesis? Anyone possessing such traits would fight in a different way than most swordsmen.
I think what's important to realize is that in the OT, a lightsaber was played up more as an ancient weapon used in the old days by knights or anyone else who had access to one much like old broad and long swords used in the medieval period. Before the prequels came in and turned them into artificial, shallow video game power up/upgrades for Jedi, the lightsaber functioned like a regular sword in which anyone could pick up and use, if they well trained in swordplay. Just another factor in how the prequels just completely misunderstood the OT.
But here's what you gotta know 1. It was technically around 10-15 mins cus Yoda vs Palpatine was split into it. 2. If you watch the Clone wars tv show before or just listen to Vader and Ben talking on the death star, you know the history and development. 3. The fight was mainly them getting off of the burning platform, Anakin pushing Obi-wan back and Obi-wan finding a place where he would win against anakin.
It would be great but... I just can't take fight seriously when I see two people twirling their lightsabers and Surfing on Lava, and the High Ground thing, And Hayden's Acting, It's just too Ridiculous and Over The Top for me, I just prefere More Realistic Combat, it's more eintertaning for Me that Dancing with glowsticks
Darth Vader Its just your opinion I guess. I don't know why but I *REALLY* hated the scene in episode 8 where Kylo has his lightsaber stuck in the guy, it almost seems like the saber doesn't burn through matter. But in my opinion episode 3 fight is comparable to episode 6 in its amzingness, but whatever you think is fine.
Yeah in the new movies Lightsabers aren't so powerful anymore, In OT just a little touch was enough to chop entire hand off, In PT Jedi can cut through steel walls, and Battle droids like through butter, and in New Movies ? It looks like its acctualy hard to kill people in armor, and look How Kylo Ren tanks blows from Finn and Rey, and look at the scene when Kylo slices through Finns back, if lightsabers in this movies were as powerful as they were in OT, PT and Rogue One, All that would be left ftom Finn would be two pieces, also the duels in New Trilogy are very sloppy, only Luke has finnese but god his twirls and doges are like from Matrix, I like OT duels and I like The Phantom Manace duel, also ROTS duel is good altough not best for me, and Clone Wars duels are so awsome
"god his twirls and doges are like from Matrix" he's been taking Gym classes you know xD. There are probably better duels but the one between Sidius and Maul/Opress damn it felt like I was watching mocap animations. (motion capture)
The reason why the lightsaber fight in the original triology was very simplistic and slow is mostly because the lightsaber models used were very fragile I wouldn’t call the OT lightsaber fights bad, but I and many prefer more choreographic fight is because they’re more action and better represent the Jedi that can move things with their mind, including their bodies and are guided by the force. You expect realism in a space sci-fi where Jedi are literally superhuman with telekinetic power. You call Jedi jumping far and and doing some crazy acrobatics goofy (not just in lightsaber fight but in general), but those things are what differentiate a force user to just a man with a lightsaber. Like some other said, I feel you have some nostalgia bias to the original triology, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you wouldn’t care if they got rid of anything to do with the force.
So basically all I got out of this was an OT fanboy whining about the prequels without any substance or valid critique and judging by the comments, this is all he does. Why was this recommended to me again?
kaihedgie everything word in that sentence is right. (I actually didn't like ep8). The prequels did what they did and did it well. The OT did what it did and did it well, the new trilogy the same (though not in my opinion). Big deal move on. Stop hammering on the prequels, Lucas delivered his vision and besides if you don't like it, just fucking *IGNORE IT*
@@tempjohn3510 You must be a mouthbreather if you hate the fact that someone who BASES HIS CHANNEL OFF OF STAR WARS talks, critiques, and complains about Star Wars. Follow your own words if you believe in it.
@@TooCooFoYou I was talking about your comment, not mine with the OP. But fine, I don't understand how your reply change anything to what I said. I never criticized the channel or talk about the channel. I was talking about fans who dislike certain trilogies or episodes of the franchise.
This is why I love the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul on Tatooine. The duel starts in their dialogue and their eyes before culminating in a saber fight consisting of three strikes.
This video pretty much explains why I'm not a fan of that revamped Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader Duel. In it, both Kenobi and Vader are far too reckless and active. If you were Vader, would you be anything other than deathly cautious against the guy who put you in that hellish suit in the first place? I understand that they were portraying Vader's anger, but it just didn't look right to me. But that's my opinion, if you like it, good o. I just don't.
Let me point out something else crucial in storytelling: Things have to make sense. The prequels explore an extraordinary era rich with Jedi, Sith, lawless bounty hunters over the Star Wars galaxy in a time of war. With that being said, considering this is a story that is Jedi-centric, its only makes sense we see more lightsabers. If tension is built right, it doesn't matter what how many lightsabers we see because they don't matter, the build up and climax is what really makes the impact. The Clone wars do an excellent job with this.
What I don't get is why people complain about prequel lightsabers battles being too fast, or complex. Come one these are supposed to be super powered beings who have practiced with these tools their whole lives. Of course they are going to be fast and doing some fancy movees.
Something I never understood is why the typical metal gun (like we use in earth) was never used in star wars.. Would a light sabre deflect that or would it just result in two smaller and probably molten pieces of metal hitting the Jedi?
They are in the Star Wars galaxy actually, known as slugthrower weapon. But they are rare and seen as primitive. Tusken raiders are an example of using slugthrower weapons. People don't like them because of the ammo limitations and reloading times, slug thrower ammo is rare and hence very expensive too, where as blasters are run from an energy pack which lasts long and is easily replaced as well as being so common they are cheap. Jedi who come up against slug throwers usually try to dodge since deflecting would result in what you mentioned, some Jedi have been picked off with slugthrower weapons.
Edge Master its not butthurt, its just defending what they like. There can never be a concencus because we are dealing with 3 generations of star wars fans. Prequel, Original and New. I'm from prequel so ofc i fucking loved the prequels
I partially agree, I feel like the prequels were supposed to show such a large difference in time periods, the difference between the days of the republic where everything was over the top and bright and vibrant telling most of the story with coruscant as the capital, then to the dark times where everything felt gritty and like all good things in the galaxy were scarce. The tones of the 2 trilogies were so drastically different and I feel like it was a good thing and it let us appreciate the duels in the OT more because of how special they are compared to the older times when lightsabers and jedi were a common occurrence and puts more emphasis on the importance of the last jedi fighting the ones who brought down his predecessors. I agree however from an enjoyment/story telling perspective that it would make them more interesting but its also good to see the differences from the days of the Republic to the days of the Empire.
HelloGreedo I can't agree with you more. This video you made is the absolute best video I've seen explaining how lightsabers in the Star Wars movies. I strongly agree on every level you had said.
Don't let this guy force his opinion on you. Your favorite is your favorite, no one can change that. Especially not this prequel hater. Real star wars fans respect all aspects of star wars. The prequel thrilogy brought a new generation of star wars fans, and so will this new thrilogy coming up.
Don't get me wrong I love your video expressing your opinion, but I think if you weren't trying to force your opinion, then you wouldn't make a whole video on it. Still respect your opinion though, and i will still be subscribed.
Yanangel Sanchez he's not forcing his option on anyone, he made a video explaining how he thinks lightsabers should be used. In fact by just calling him a hater and telling people to ignore him you're the the one forcing your option on him and others. You can't say people aren't real fans unless they like everything, if that were the case then 100% of Dragonball fans wouldn't be "real fans" because nobody likes Dragonball: Evolution.
Eq_NightGlider_ if you would've read i say i "respect his opinion", if you have been on youtube long enough people like casey neistat do these things. They make full on videos expressing their opinions trying to make people turn to their side. The thing is that the original trilogy does have a lot of dialogue and i love both trilogies. But by bashing one trilogy with the amount of followers he has, he'll definitely make people follow him.
This is off-topic, but everything you said sums up how I ALSO feel about Avatar: the Last Airbender. In Aang's show, Avatar: the last airbender (the originals), epic fights and dramatic moments were rare and soooo sweet! But then in Korra's, The Legend of Korra (the Sequels), had every episode with wannabe epic fights and overly dramatic Choreography that it got to the point where NO fight was really unique. I found myself numbed to what effects these fights had to offer. But I still grew up with and love both series, so no hate, please.
i would put Rey and Kylo over death star 1. They dont talk much but the emotion is vicible and the meaning of it can be felt from just their faces. Apart from that i agree.
My top 5 Lightsaber Duel SCENES (not my favorite choreography) are: #1. Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader (vs. The Emperor) (Return of The Jedi). #2. Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader (The Empire Strikes Back). #3. Rey vs. Kylo Ren (The Force Awakens). #4. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader (Revenge of The Sith). #5. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader (A New Hope).
the prequel obiwan vs anakin is my personal favorite I like how it's choreographed and seeing the desperation as obiwan slowly loses anikin further to the darkside and yeah, sure the original trilogy had more emotional value behind it but theres gotta be a point where how the duel looks has to come into consideration too
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How I see the light sabers: in the prequels, there were hundreds of Jedi that light sabers were common, after order 66, Jedi were almost never heard of and so a lightsaber was like a moment of mysticism and awe! I actually like how they did this because it's believable and it's, well, why I named my myself lightsaber :)
Wise words lightsaber, wise, wise words
Lightsaber Can I grab you and turn you on then 😏😂
Lightsaber lol they dont know lightsbaer because in the original trilogy they were new born and no one tells them about jedi stuff and there not a jedi and so many peoples dont want to talk about the jedi because adter order 66 they thought jeid are evil
In the comment section you go, only pain you will find
If this man was my English teacher, I would actually pay attention.
Ikr, he is so satisfying to listen to.
The people that find the original trilogy lightsaber fights boring probably also think the G.I Joe FILMS are awesome.
Don't speak of shitty GI. Joe
I mean... They are boring. The cool thing about the OT fights is not the fights themselves, it's the clashes of the characters that happen during. PT fights' value is in the actual action.
I agree. unlike many other americans, his accent is not annoying at all.
I don't think the prequels overused them. In the originals, it is stated that the light saber was the weapon of the jedi knights So it makes sense that jedi knights would use them.
Watch the damn video. The point he's making is that even if it makes sense from a lore perspective, it doesn't make sense from a story or thematic perspective. Lightsabers should be used sparingly, for moments of extreme drama and emotion, not whipped out every five minutes.
Calm down dude. It's just an opinion. i did watch the video, and I understand that point, as I stated in my later comment:
"I have to disagree with you here. While I agree some prequel fights were
over the top, and that character development and intensity should take
precedent. it makes perfect sense to me there is a lack of rarity in how
lightsabers are used int he prequels. The lightsaber is so rare and
sacred in the originals because Jedi and Sith are now so rare. It makes
sense that before the Jedi purge, the weapon was more widely used and
had less meaning attached to it because it lacked that rarity. The
movies should reflect that."
I think that it does make sense from a thematic perspective because the rarity they have thematically during the original trilogy parallels the rarity of force wielders. I think that rarity has more effect when it is contrasted to the commonality of Jedi in the prequels, before the purge, and the frequency of lightsabers is thus increased to increase the juxtaposition.
The scene in Attack of the Clones with a hundred light sabers was toooootaly necessary. Doesn't diminish the coolness of them at all, right?
In case you're one of *those* people, yes, that was sarcasm.
Because you clearly didn't comment, I quote; "even if it makes sense from a lore perspective, it doesn't make sense from a story or thematic perspective."
The problem with the lightsaber fights had more to do with the lack of tension between the characters, rather than with how frequently the weapons are used. If the prequels had built the tension between Dooku and Anakin, Grievous and Obi-Wan, The Senate and Yoda, etc. better, it wouldn't have mattered. His chocolate argument makes no damn sense. The chocolate is the emotional/character confrontation, not the physical confrontation.
People use guns all the fucking time in Westerns, but there are duels in that genre which far surpass anything in Star Wars.
I never understood why people like the Episode III lightsaber fights so much, they're over-choreographed, over the top, and lifeless compared to the duels in Episodes V, VI, VII and even Episode IV had me more engaged than any Lightsaber duel in the Prequels
RiderNexus The prequels look more awesome with the duels, and I don't know but the last Anakin vs Obi wan fight was really emotional
RiderNexus well I never understand why people still feel the need to complain about the prequels- oh wait. This comment was a mistake was it?
RiderNexus you and Hello Greedo are right. When i was watching Ep 3 dual i was thinking... are they going to exchange any dialogue at some point? I liked the Darth Maul fight more. There was simply no emotion in that dual for me.
ESB & ROJ duals are the benchmark.
RiderNexus Then you're fucking stupid.
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I have to disagree with you here. While I agree some prequel fights were over the top, and that character development and intensity should take precedent. it makes perfect sense to me there is a lack of rarity in how lightsabers are used int he prequels. The lightsaber is so rare and sacred in the originals because Jedi and Sith are now so rare. It makes sense that before the Jedi purge, the weapon was more widely used and had less meaning attached to it because it lacked that rarity. The movies should reflect that.
And yet 19 years later everyone in the Galaxy suddenly act like the Jedi are a long forgotten myth, if the Jedi and Lightsabers are so commonplace in Prequel Time, then why are people in the OT so shocked or laugh at the idea of a laser sword or an order of monastic knights that move things around with their minds, 20 years even in a galaxy is an extemely short time, in Luke's case it makes sense since he basically lived sheltered in Tatooine, but what is Han's excuse? How come a Smuggler in his late 20's that boast to have been in all the galaxy thinks the Jedi or the Force are mumbo jumbo? It makes no sense, Hell when Eragon, FREAKING ERAGON has a better reason as to why its Jedi surrogates are a myth by the time its plot starts you know Lucas done fucked up.
baseballlover312 from that lore standpoint it makes perfect sense sure but the movies suffer for it imo. Youre desensitized to them
He already explained that it's not a numbers thing. Just because there were more Jedi in the prequel doesn't mean there needs to be more lightsabers. This harkens backs to the candy analogy. You have to put yourself in the mind of the writer, and give the audience what they didn't know they wanted, not what you already know they wanted. Otherwise Star Wars would be one big orgy of lightsaber battles.
They'd be flashy and entertaining at the lowest common denominator, but you'd lose interest just as quickly. Hell, Jedi Knight and Jedi Master aren't even the only Jedi jobs, so there are plenty who don't even need to use their lightsabers
I disagree with that as well. It was explained in the originals that lightsabers were the weapon of the Jedi knights. THE weapon. The choice weapon. So when there's a war going on, and tons of Jedi, I do think there necessarily must be more lightsabers. i don't buy his argument then any trained Jedi, mastered in the art of lightsaber combat, would choose to use a blaster instead. That makes far less sense to me, and would be equally criticized as a plot device. It makes sense for Luke in Empire because he was still fairly novice in lightsaber combat.
baseballlover312 In that case, I can still see a means of omitting lightsabers. If we're being completely honest, we didn't see much of the Clone Wars in the prequel trilogy. The Clone Wars TV shows, definitely, but not in the movies. I can look past the overabundance of lightsabers in the TV shows, because it actually looks like a series of wars. Episode II and III only show the beginning and end
And he's not arguing that trained Jedi use blasters. I'm fairly certain none of them have, aside from Obi-wan and Luke. The force is also a common weapon, and there are many other melee weapons at their disposal that are shown in the EU or TV shows
Why would Maul and Obi-wan and Quigon have an emotional connection on the level of a father and son? They are simply acinet enemies. There is plenty emotion in the prequel fights; quigon is calm and focused to take down Maul, obi wan gives into aggression to defeat him. Anakin shows his arrogance and is defeated by the Count. Obiwan vs Grievous are playing each other (something obiwan has done with both ventress and griveous throught the clone wars). Yoda vs Sidious is essentially showing to Masters of their arts duelling; Yoda remains calm throught the confronation while sidious finds joy in his arrogance.
Just because they are more flashy doesnt mean they lack emotional impact.
BetweenTwo Lungs agree 100%. it all depends on how YOU personally feel about it, at that point opinion differs. I kinda hate that Hellogreedo talks about his opinion like its fact. I get he doesn't intend that, but it sure as hell comes off that way.
BetweenTwo Lungs I love " The Clone Wars - Series " because it gives us more detail of the relaitionship between the Characters in the Prequel Trilogy . This makes the lightsaber fights more fun , entertaining and enhanced the Value knowing the Relaitionship between the Characters and there Rivalries . The Clone Wars really did a Good job Contributing to the Prequels and Characters .
Yeah, i disagree with the opinion of HelloGreedo about the prequel
romain lacroix " The Clone Wars - Series " enriches the Prequels so much .
Bill Fucking Murray In a new hope, all Vader was simply a masked henchman and knew little of Obi Wan at the time. Much of the emotion comes from Lukes reaction to obiwans death.
My point with the Maul vs Obi and Quigon duel, was that just because the characters hadnt interacted before (like vader and obiwan in 1977) doesnt mean there is no emotion in the fight. There is clearly a almost scared animosity between both parties. Additionally, we get tension in the ray sheild scene, then obiwans reaction to quigons death.
To says the duels have no emotion simply by the fact they more choerogrpahed is simply not true.
Do you care less about Yoda as a character simply because he is jumping around ?
The ROTJ Luke vs Vader fight is my personal favorite. Perfectly balanced the prequel showmanship with the weight of actual context.
Same. That battle wraps up the arc of the originals so perfectly.
JMPHeinz 57 yeah like the last Vader was clearly toying with him the whole time since Luke was Shit with saber combat
Best fight ever made! The dialogue makes the fight great. The best scene in the whole saga is when luke loses himself and starts banging on vader and when luke pulls himself away from becoming anakin. "I will never turn to the dark side, i am jedi like my father before me."
I think it has the greatest emotional impact (except maybe the Mustafar duel), but the worst choreography, to me the most important thing in a duel is 1. Variety and 2. Conveying story through choreography, I think the OT and PT do both of these things generally equally but the RoTJ duel does neither of these things very well. With the exception of the time Luke gives into anger, he uses the same move over and over again, it's not very engaging and it doesn't really convey anything other than "Luke doesn't suck as much as he used to", but even then, I don't think it's portrayed that well. The things I like are Luke giving into his anger, even if the times he hits the railings don't feel as powerful as they should, the other thing being Luke's Jedi jump, that's the smoothest and most glorious flip I think I've ever seen, I'm still not sure if the "high ground" thing in RoTS was to foreshadow the moment when Vader throws his lightsaber as to not make the same mistake but I'd like to think so.
The Jedi were in their prime in the Prequels. So yeah, the fights will be more over the top.
Also, every fight in the Prequel had emotion or a backstory to it.
Intellect Of Our Generation not everyone
Bullshit.
it was emotional to see Jedi destroy waves of droids in a hallway?
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Intellect Of Our Generation agree
While this is a well-made video, I must disagree with HelloGreedo here. The lightsaber fights were supposed to be different from the original and prequel trilogies. As Obi-Wan said in A New Hope "an elegant weapon from a more civilized age." In my interpretation, the choreography of the prequels reflected how the Jedi fought, with grace and precision. You criticize the prequel fights for being unrealistic, but this is a universe where space ships, wizards using laser swords, fat slugs, and a mystical energy field all co-exist. Realism flew out the window the moment the Imperial Stardestroyer chased down the blockade runner in A New Hope.
And all though I do enjoy the originals more than the prequels, their fights had emotion. Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Maul was tense at how fast each combatant was going. When Qui-Gon got skewered, you can see the rage on Obi-Wan's face when he was trapped behind that energy wall and when he fought Maul again, the intensity ramped up. I know many criticize Yoda for using a lightsaber, but I honestly don't mind. In most of the prequels, he hardly ever uses a lightsaber unless directly challenged (such as Dooku goading him in Ep 2) or when he was forced to (such as when the clones tried to execute him and Sidious attacking him in Ep 3.) Also, the Mustafar duel itself is supposed to be the ultimate battle of master versus student, seeing how fast and precise Anakin and Obi-Wan were with Anakin on the offensive and Obi-Wan on the defense. In my view, the reason why Obi-Wan and Darth Vader's rematch in A New Hope had more impact is because of the Mustafar duel, especially with Obi-Wan's rant to Anakin when the fight ended (Ewan McGregor is awesome).
I also feel that your Jaws and Alien comparison do not compare here as those movies are entirely different by tone and structure. Those movies had an overall feeling of fear, seeing as the shark and the alien were antagonists and the tone of those movies were about survival horror. Star Wars is about family, hope, legacy, and redemption, and so I feel comparing this franchise to those movies seems odd.
Apologies for how long this comment is, I just disagree with Greedo here mostly because of he tries to ground Star Wars by making it realistic even though this series is, in the end, fantasy. Still, this is just my opinion in the end and I respect Greedo's, even though I do not agree.
the prequel fights would of been amazing had there been more diologue and had they been shorter... with the exception of my favorite prequel the phantom menace, Darth Maul was mysterious, for him to speak much would ruin it in my view
basically prequel fights, shorter, more diologue and less of the lightsaber
the prequels wernt that bad, but i think they were rejected because they was A: a totally different look and B: it was rushed
Hmmm... yeah. As much I as enjoy the Mustafar duel, I agree that George should have added more dialogue and the fight shouldn't be as long as it was.
And yeah, I find this notion that the prequels are few of the worst movies ever very annoying. I've seen movies that are far worse *cough, cough, Batman & Robin, cough, cough* and even though I only enjoy watching one of the prequels (that being Revenge of the Sith), I can still appreciate what George was trying to tell.
Even though I prefer the original trilogy, I'm glad the prequels exist. Because those movies led to the creation of many great Star Wars material, like the Clone Wars cartoons, KOTOR, the Darth Bane trilogy, and so on. Honestly, this prequel hate bothers me because it is essentially beating a dead horse by now.
yeah, comparing star wars duels to Jaws is like comparing MCU and thomas the tank engine
Shaun Dalton Yeah, I watch fight scenes for more talk, not more action. Nice logic you got there.
I agree when you see a lightsaber your not like oh no I'm so scared it's a that's cool moment lighsabers arnt horor that's why I like the clone wars more than the ot
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It had amazing fights all the time amazing diolouge and great character development what he said today is not right imo
They are at war lol ofc they gonna have jedi when they can there are loads of jedi who are all trained from a young age they are gonna be amazing at it
Hello Greedo makes a good point but I disagree entirely. The sole purpose of the prequel trilogy served to feed our hunger in seeing Jedi in their prime and seeing the fall of Anakin Skywalker who embraced some what of the "American Dream" in the galaxy. From a slave boy to someone who wanted to make a new name for his family but brining balance to the force and building a new generation and name for his family. Both Padme and Anakin were the faces of the galaxy essentially but conflicting ideals is what turned him to the Darkside. Just because the dialogue could have been better written doesn't mean the emotion wasn't there in the prequels. What about When Anakin comes back to his mother he promised to help free from slavery. And watches her die in his arms and then savagely slaughters sand people?
Or what about Boba and Jango fett spending quality father and son time then to see Windu behead his father from his point of view? Or when Palpatine tells Anakin to kill Dooku and the uncertainty and the eeriness
Prequels aren't as bad as people say and the sequels can learn a lot of good from the prequels. Like not being a copy and paste story. Still an authentically made Star Wars film, but come on. It's 2016, why are we copying storylines from 1977? Really? Emotional buildup is in both trilogies.
I agree 100%. I grew up in the prime of the prequels - unlike most hardcore Star Wars fans who grew up in the original saga. So, "Star Wars" to me meant Episodes 1-3. I watched those first.
I also agree with Greedo about over saturation of lightsaber duels. But in my perspective, I thought that the Yoda and Darth Sideous fight was awesome. Yes, it is extremely un realistic and looks pretty retarted with Yoda jumping all over the place (I hated Episode 2 and 1 and everything about them except the last 20 minutes of clones). BUT, the idea of the two "power houses" of both good and evil FINALLY dueling off was awesome to me.
Also, I loved the Clone Wars TV show. SW:TCW is by far *THE BEST THING that came from the prequels*. The clone wars show added to Anakin and the clones in which the movies didn't. The Clone Wars TV show revealed the side of the Clone Troopers that the movies never showed. It showed how Anakin actually had emotion and fleshed out his character like the movies miserably failed to do so. I really hated how it had to end pre-maturely and be replaced by a shitty kid show that is barely Star Wars (Rebels on Disney channel).
I agree with the emotion being in the prequels, despite "poor dialogue." People misunderstand the "I don't like sand" line because of how cheesy it seems, but they don't seem to get something: sand is a reminder of Anakin's slave days. Padme mentions it in a reflection of her younger days, and it brings forth Anakin's trauma. In an attempt to romantically converse with her, he brings up the contrast of the thing that he spent time around as a slave when compared to his happiest thought of a friendly woman (quite possibly the first person who understood how he really felt besides his mother) he's thought of constantly for 10 years.
And don't say I read too deeply into this. I got that understanding of the scene at SIX years old!
RoyalDweller agree with everything you say except the part saying episode 1 and 2 was shit. Episode 1 and 2 had amazing moments but episode 3 ofc was the best. But without them episode 3 wouldn't make much sense so they are necessary to a certain extent. But hey everyone has their own opinions. Besides there are many differences at play - episode 1 is just more kid friendly i guess, episode 2 just dubs down romance
FlorBraMan you could also say the "I don't like sand" in a different tone, it would of been better - what I'm getting at is that Anakin's acting is also to blame
I don't think its the usage of the lightsabers that's the issue for me more how they are used. I dislike the weird flips and spins. I also hated when Yoda or Darth Sidious fought. They've always kind of seemed like strong force users who are very intelligent (Yoda in wisdom and Sidious in manipulation) but having them fight and do a bunch of flips was really weird and unnecessary. Duel of Fates is the best fight because it had strong attacks and not too many flips or crazy tricks. I feel the Battle of Heroes would've been better if the attacks had been closed up and not jumping around or swinging on ropes.
Best fight is Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul.
il100374 Jedi has the best duel
What the fuck?!
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That's actually a pretty good battle.
But there was no emotion. And the movie gave me no reason to care about either of those """"""Characters""""""
I can definitely understand and even agree with some of the points expressed in this video, but I have to mostly disagree. I enjoy watching the more realistic duels of the Originals that certainly had more mythological and meaningful aspects to them, but I also love the duels of the Prequels. Sure, they aren't realistic in regards to sword combat, but I think that's the point. These movies aren't realistic fiction, they're fiction. The duels don't have to be realistic, because the lightsaber combat styles existing in the Star Wars universe are also fictional. It's explained that force users have extraordinary reflexes, so why shouldn't they be able to execute movements that are not realistic to the normal human beings such as us, or even the non-force sensitive beings in the Star Wars Universe? In the originals, the only people we see use a lightsaber in combat are an old, worn down man who had been out of practice in lightsaber combat and been only focusing on furthering himself in his relationship with the force, a man with robotic arms that faltered his speed in regards to using a lightsaber, and a boy who was never really trained in lightsaber combat thoroughly and instead had to adapt to utilizing it through the war combat in which he engaged in. The lightsaber is THE weapon of a Jedi, so why shouldn't it be used for nearly all combat purposes? The reason (that I have deduced through my observations) that Luke used a blaster on cloud city is because he wasn't looking to run around and slice through the imperial forces stationed there, he wasn't looking to engage in close quarters combat. He merely wanted to get to where his friends were without any other trouble, and only use a blaster if he was caught to keep distance instead of having to run towards his opponents with his lightsaber activated, as that could move him to where he didn't want to go and standing his ground with a blaster in hand would allow him stay where he needed to and defend himself. I think that you can savor the different aspects of both the Original and Prequel duels. They both present interesting details to the Star Wars Universe.
Frank Snyder Well spoken.
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You know one thing that people should understand is that lightsabers were the weapon of the Jedi and Sith and were of more common sight before the days of the Empire. It makes sense for them to flash it around and use it for defense and for offensive purposes. I mean seriously guys, do you think the Jedi used blasters when peaceful negotiations went wrong?
Star Wars Jibaro exactly! Why use blasters when you can just use *aggressive negotiations*
Carrot 2 Anakin loves aggressive negotiations
Did anyone else feel like the lightsaber duel in episode 2 was tacked on just because they thought they needed a fight at the end? I think it could have gone without. The one time I think it was justified was in the big fight in the arena, because it showed how many Jedi there were and I thought that made the outcome of the story more intense, knowing that all of them were killed. But I think it would have made more sense to have something like that in the third movie, so that it made more of an impact. Most people probably didn't think about all those people dieing because you didn't see as many in the third film
I think there's a video showing Lucas pretty much decide on the spot to tack on the lightsaber duel just to do the Yoda flippy scene- so yes, i think you are spot on.
Cyril
Haha not surprised
RealGamerManz nope, almost anyone over the age of ten who saw that movie thinks the same thing
yeah they should have cut that scene to give anakin more time to express his hatred of sand, i agree
Not every Jedi died in the Geonosis Arena, and ep3 does exactly what you said, kill every Jedi
I liked the way The Force Awakanes uses lightsabers, the only 2 times you have a lightsaber duel is the climatic duel and the TR-8R duel, and after that ended Fin just took a blaster and went back to shooting, it wasn't over used, I just hope episode 8 does the same thing and we don't see Luke leaping around slaying 1st order soldiers with his lightsaber but a Luke using the force with great precision only using a lightsaber as a the last option
Alertacobra 12 That would be great I couldn't wait until December 2017 - one year
Reylo ❤
How exciting?
***** my point still holds
Kylo whips out his saber all the time. Rey and Fin didn't really know how to use one and preferred blasters. Well until the end when Rey magically knew how to use one.
Kanglar he doesn't use it all the time in duels, his lightsaber is used as ...... Anger management
Kanglar No, the way Rey uses the lightsaber sloppily, plus she knows how to fight with a melee weapon anyway so how would a lightsaber be any different?
Let me guess before I watch this video, It's Greedo bashing the prequels for using the lightsaber too much even though it makes complete sense in the story.
People need to appreciate the prequel fights more and what they added to the lore. I love the OT fights because of the emotion in the fights and the meaning in the story, but I love the prequel fights because of the choreography and the different fighting styles it added to the lore.
The comparison to Alien and Jaws just doesn't work, it's completely different.
Kieran Holmes correct
Kieran Holmes the prequel fights look like over the top dances with no tension rather than duels because we can't relate to the characters. Adding history to the lore doesn't make the fight good in itself and it doesn't make crappy movies any better. If you like them and the prequels, awesome. Glad you can enjoy something I can't, but you have to see why compared to the OT, the prequel lightsaber lose their meaning in a way. When there's a million different lightsaber colors flashing and dancing in the Geonosis arena with CGI explosions and lasers flying all over the screen, it's not special. Again, if you like it, awesome. I'm not being sarcastic about it, I love Star Wars like you, but in my eyes, the prequels aren't really true Star Wars. Yes I know it's part of the canon which there's nothing I can do about but from a real world perspective.
In a world with laser rifles and projectile weapons, the prequel's reliance on lightsabers makes "complete sense"? Really? I'm not being a douche, but really think about that; you have the option of being several meters away and killing your enemy with minimal risk to yourself (you can even take cover between shots) and you think it makes more sense to get up close and personal, completely exposed to use a lightsaber? So, no, I'm sorry- the prequel's over-reliance on the lightsaber makes very little sense.
Lightsaber battles should have been reserved for close quarters combat, fighting inside pressurized spacecraft and when two equal knights wanted to duel with honor.
I agree with you opinion, but as a nerd of star wars I thought the prequel duels expanded on the lightsaber. for example, they added the concept of different lightsaber combat styles. like obi won's defensive form 3, and Mace Windu's aggressive form 7 . in their duels u can easily tell the forms they choose. in the original they fight more like swords(which is still cool) But in my opinion I think having different lightsaber combat styles gives more of a background to this weapon we all love.
BTW I still liked the originals better
When you say "Lightsabers were used for only emotional moments in the OT" well there wasn't a Jedi order with 1,000 Jedi Knights in the original trilogy so that's why there are so many light saber battles. It was a time of war in the PT. The Clone Wars. That's why there are battles
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Well he kinda said in the video that it doesn't matter if there were much more jedis during the prequels. The lightsaber fights still should be used sparingly.
@@CookieMonsterMC11 it wouldn't make sense. I'd rather stick to good lore than story
I know the prequels were mainly terrible, but the saber fights are far, far better. Tired of all these hipsters saying how they prefer the boring ass ¨clashes¨ from the original trilogy.
Julian Lawrie no they are not better
prequel lighsaber fights were way better
Julian Lawrie no way man. I've always felt The prequel lightsaber fights were ridiculous and lacked tension.
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Julian Lawrie some of them are good, especially the duel of the fates in ep 1, but every one in the other two are ridiculous
I like that the original trilogy treated lightsabers like swords in pirate movies. Battles are fought with pistols, cannons and bombs, and sword fights usually happen at the end between two major characters.
The best fight is 100% the one in The Carbonite Freezing Chambers of Bespin. So much emotion, so much suspense, and the action is very intense but also grounded.
I think the AoTC duel does this a _little_ better, but that might just be because I prefer Obi-Wan and Anakin's character over Luke, I still love Luke but still.
The Force Awakens lightsabers duel between Rey, Fin and Kylo Ren is the best, in my eyes. It felt visceral. The lightsabers felt like they had weight and like they were extremely dangerous weapons and not just glow sticks. The wounds the characters sustained felt painful and impactful. The setting was tense. It was watching two scared kids try to fight off a monster in the woods.
I especialy like the scenery of this scene.
Silver Fang I personally disliked the duel at the end of TFA. The scenery was nice but the fact that both Kylo and Finn were able to take hits that would have killed characters in other films bothered me.
Silver Fang It was a real brutal fight too, Finn getting his back sliced up by Kylo makes me shudder
purplemadness1998 they were only grazed with them
purplemadness1998 I think that's just a general star wars thing, in all honesty. I mean, Maul came back after being cut in half and falling down a might-as-well-be-bottomless pit. Anakin should have been very dead as Obi-Wan left him on Mustafar. etc.
Ok we get it. You don't like the prequels. You didn't need to make 7 minute video reciting decade old arguments.
Why get defensive over the fact that this "Decade old argument" is clearly widespread. Surely the same point holds weight. If you get enough people giving the the correct answer to 2+2 then the answer must simply be 4 without throwing your toys out if the pram screaming "It's 69".
+GrantKP except George didn't dream of anything prequel related until 17 years after Star Wars became a hit... His golden Pen never touched the paper until 1994. LoL.
DJ Mitz Gotta be honest. I have no idea what your analogy is supposed to mean.
Sometimes I think that HelloGreedo is just a little bit biased because of nostalgia
Alucard BloodyVampire Saying a little is very much an understatement
Nosfonader87 Maybe I was just a little bit sarcastic :3
Nosfonader87 ikr, ot trilogy had major flaws in them too yet fanboys love to ignore them
NinjaTyler Vader shouldn't have told Luke he was his father. Worst mistake he made. Vader is just a glorified attack dog.
Nosfonader87 his review or rogue one proves his obsession with only the originals, which is why he loves rebels and 7, since it's a remake of a new hope, but rogue one was more action packed and not mystical so he doesn't like it much.
Well you have to remember this about the Anakin and Obi-Wan fight: They are the two BEST lightsaber users in the galaxy fighting against each other. The best going up against the best. They know each other's skills. Also, there is a weaker gravity on Mustafar which makes sense for ALL the lightsaber fights in the Outer Rim planets like Qui-Gon Vs. Maul and Dooku Vs. Yoda.
Like the movie or not, the lightsaber fight in the Force Awakens was amazing. A perfect blend if grittiness and beauty. The setting was also my second favorite for a battle ever outside of Empire.
The only gripe I have is that it was edited side by side with Poe's scenes which everyone and their grandma knew what was going to happen with that scene. I think the Rey and Kylo fight should have been one singular scene.
Agreed. I don't like the fighting style of the prequel lightsabers. I understand Greedo's point, but they ARE too slow. And the moments where you see they're clearly aiming to swing at empty space between the two drives me nuts.
The Force Awakens proved that you don't need superhuman feats and jumps to make the fight interesting. You just need the right pace and good camera angles.
In terms of choreography I completely agree, it was fast and intense but still grounded in reality, not to mention it looked fantastic. However it's not as good as the fights in Empire or Return of the Jedi because we have had more time with those characters, and it seems those fights were more focused on the story than the action.
Also You may want to edit your spelling of Poe's name.
Rick Berman McCallum Didn't necessarily say they were better than any one fight. Just pointed out that they were really good. Imo Empire has the two best scenes in the entire Star Wars saga. With the lightsaber fight being one of them.
100% agree about that. The only thing the death star killer super weapon mcguffin being destroyed did was add a sense of urgency to the fight. In terms of choreography I do think it is the best fight. It's intense but not over the top and it's grounded but not clunky or too slow for the ADD crowd.
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Darth Maul didn't die!!!! Have you watched The Clone Wars lightsaber duels? They're AMAZING! Way better than the lightsaber duels in the prequels!
He died in the movies, and they they brought him back cause they realised they screwed up, so revitalised the character, Greedo knows that i'm sure. And yeah clone wars had good moments, but the point of the video isn't that they are cool lightsaber fights, but that the saber fights should have weight, and a reason why they would begin to use the lightsaber. just like the video: It's like having a chocolate bar versus, a bag full. You would probably savoir the the one, and enjoy every bit, while a bag you probably wouldn't care. Prequels big bag of candy, OG trilogy one candy bar.
Soulwarsnerd True. The lightsaber duels in TCW are amazing because they have weight (most of the time) Anakin VS Barriss, Darth Maul and Savage VS Sidious, Pre Vizsla VS Darth Maul. Even then, the best combats in this series aren't lightsaber fights, they are clone battles, fist fight (Clovis VS Anakin) and more. The prequels showed how the Jedi lost their way and became fighters instead of peacekeepers. They showed that WAY better in the t.v. show, but it's still a part of the prequels: the Jedi were wrong. That's perhaps the best thing about the prequels --> in the O.T. Jedi were the wise and good guys, but we were shown in the prequels they made mistakes (HUGE MISTAKES). Even the wisest, smartest, coolest, characters make errors; *Jedi were selfish*
The point is Darth Maul didn't come back in the films. He may have still been alive in Clone Wars and Rebels, but as far as the films are concerned, his fate didn't make a difference, so he may as well have been dead anyway.
EDIT: Yes, I know Clone Wars and Rebels are both canon. Will people please stop hounding me about that?
SimplyJay The Clone Wars IS canon. His presence didn't affect the films, but that doesn't mean he didn't affect anything in the universe. He had impact in the show.
He comes back into Rebels, so it's canon
Here's my thoughts on the lightsabre fights from the different trilogies:
Original Trilogy - In regards to the emotion, story and character work, they're great but from a choreography standpoint they aren't the greatest since every one of them involved at least one older opponent and there aren't moments of flash.
Prequel Trilogy - This trilogy helped expand on the lightsabres with the different colours and forms of combat like Form 3. And they all had some level of emotion that wasn't all father and son. It can an opponent on opponent level or a former apprentice turned enemy on former friend level. Along with the flashy choreography which is to be expected due to the mass of Jedi and their Sith opponents.
Sequel Trilogy - In my opinion, the perfect blend of the flashy choreography of the Prequels and the emotional weight of the Originals.
The choreography was obviously better in the prequels, heck that's practically where all the effort and the entire budget for the films went alongside the visual effects and CGI.
But I think the reason ,why in my opinion, lightsaber battles where better in the OT is because there was emotion behind the characters and the events surrounding them. It was never supposed to be about the lightsabers themselves, but about the characters.
The only battle in the prequels that had any emotion at all was the mustafar battle, but even that dragged on a bit too long and as a result lost some of it's impact.
How Lucas understood this concept in the 70's and 80's and somehow forgot everything he knew about filmmaking when making the prequels baffles me to no end.
Jacob J Obi Wan and Qui Gon vs Maul was probably the best choreographed. AotC and RotS lacked any semblance of realism in choreography, though.
Lucas was surrounded by yes-men in the prequels. I can only assume the struggles he faced with the originals, what with having to make compromises with executives and limit his imagination due to budget restrictions impacted his decision to have complete creative control in the prequels. What I don't think he realizes is that it's integral to get a second, third, or 10th opinion to make sure the movie is as good as it can be. Being a director's a tough job, but he needs to understand that there are sacrifices
If Lucas had the same tech in the 70's there would have been more. Blaster fire was easier to produce
No, the fight against Darth Maul was not the best choreographed, it just looks like they're dancing, not fighting. It's like you can tell the actors knew what the next move was, and when that happens, the whole magic disperses. Lightsaber fights should never be about flips and constantly doing cool moves, they should just be a simple sword fight, like how Samurai fight each other, there can be cool moves, but not too much or overwhelming. Rey vs Kylo Ren was a pretty cool fight, so was Luke vs Darth Vader in Jedi, it felt genuine and realistic, each swing and attack from the fighters hold significant weight behind it. The prequels, in general, conveyed poorly choreographed lightsaber duels, they are overwhelming and absurd.
Umair Mojaddidi except the Jedi was a religion and every move learned was pretty much the same. The sith knew about those moves so ofc its restricted
All the prequel defenders in the comments are just saying, "Well, from a lore perspective, it makes sense that there are more lightsabers in the prequels". Please, please stop using that excuse. Lore-friendliness is not an achievement. You could show two hours of some nemoidian accountant filing his taxes and it would be lore friendly. It doesn't matter what the lore says if that lore leads to a boring movie. The setting should serve the film, not hinder it.
atreides213 I didn't think it was boring. I like the idea of a Phantom Menace corrupting a democracy into an imperialistic empire.
That isn't the point I was making, which you should know by the content of my previous comment. You can keep the corrupting of the Republic into the Empire, that stuff was actually pretty good. What I was saying was that the lore should serve to add flavor to a story, not force the story to bend over backwards to accommodate the lore.
1. Luke and Vader in bespin
2. Luke and Vader in death star 2
3. Rey and Kylo in Starkiller base
4. Vader and Obi-wan in Death star 1
5. Obi-wan and Anakin in mustafar
6. duel against maul (it really has no meaning, but at least it looks damm cool)
The rest can go in any order. They really dont do much for me.
1) luke and vader in the second death star
2)luke and vader on bespin
fuck the rest
This is basically my opinion too, though I'd honestly place Vader vs Obi-wan after Anakin vs Obi-wan. I'm a bigger fan of prequel Obi-wan than I am of orig trig Obi-wan
Daniel Ortiz Change 1 to 2 and 5 to 3 and the other away around...
Yeah you right the other fights are meaningless. But I love General Grievous wheelbike from Episode III🌶
For me 1 & 2 are level and swap 5 & 6.
As you say the rest... who cares
The duel in mustafar was epic, should be the first.
You can’t really blame the prequels for using lightsabers a lot. A lightsaber is a jedis weapon, and the film had a lot of Jedi in it. What are they supposed to do, not use their lightsabers when they’re surrounded by droids or sith?
Dick Pasta skit reminds me of the Big Lipped Alligator Moment. Still, great vid as always! I think having less lightsaber fights is good for the story, but I guess if people want larger landscapes like Mustafar, then to each his own.
Quantum Surge BIG LIPPED ALLIGATOR MOMENT!
is that a LEGO Batman from Batman vs Superman
in his suit
where did you get that
Hop Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer That's actually from an app called Bitmoji. They had Batman v Superman skins for your avatar as far as I remember.
Quantum Surge fellow Transformers film fan, I am here.
The duel from Empire Strikes Back is the best because it had so much weight and you can feel the tension of Luke meeting Vader for the first time. Not to mention Vader flying down those stairs, and the dialogue is all unbelievable.
revenge of the sith Obi-Wan vs anakin lightsaber fight was great! stop hating on the prequels! are they as good as the originals no but they are still really good and the lightsaber duels in rots are great!
Do you understand what a opinion is?
Sorry I replied to the wrong person.
Nate Gilkerson damn I almost took the bait
I do hate the Prequals.
I understand what you're saying, Greedo. But Lightsabers are awesome. The more the merrier in my opinion. haha But Revenge was "my" Star Wars Movie. It was the one that got me into star wars. So I see things different. ha
NET Alliance - SW Fun me as well to a certain extent. In my childhood, I remembered two things: the fight in episode 6 but most of all the fight in episode 3 in Mustafar, that one just... *AHH ITS TOO GOOD to forget*
Get out of my head! I couldn't agree more. Everything you said was spot on. I remember walking out of TPM thinking, 'that fight was cool, but the characters had absolutely no relationship, and there was no dialogue driving the drama of the scene'. And the overly frilly, choreographed nature of the rest of the prequel fights just sapped them of any weight for me. I much prefer the light saber fights of the OT and the sequels.
Obi-Wan : "I have the high ground Anakin!"
Anakin/Darth Vader : "I'm going to kill you by jumping up high and trying to dodge your lightsaber skills, even though I'll fail, I'll do it anyway!"
The Force Awakens tops them all in terms of using lightsabers correctly.
Valpas Kankaristo no. Hell no.
Agreed, it was realistic but also fast and intense.
agreed. it wasn't over the top unlike most of the prequels.
Valpas Kankaristo Actually, real Jedi are intended to fight like in the prequels.
People who prefer the slow fighting style have super glued their nostalgia glasses on.
MegaDragonslayer1995 I wasn't even born when the original trilogy came out, nostalgia has nothing to do with it. The OT are just better movies
This video is absolutely not what the title implied. It was basically just "I like how scarcely they were used in the original trilogy and every star wars property should do it like that even though the context of the eras were completely different." Homie didnt say, "make sure that the duels are meaningful and enhance the over all story." Instead he was just like "having less inherently makes them better." Even though his reasoning behind that is actually that the original trilogy successfully made sure each duel was character driven and made the characters develop as a result of what happened during the duels. The reasoning for what makes great lightsaber duel does not add up with the overarching conclusion made that less is more. This video is saying two different things and Greedo seems completely unaware of it. Im not trying to be a jerk this is just my observation of what I believe to be a poorly constructed argument.
I disagree with you on the EP II lightsaber yoda fight. That moment when Yoda pulled his out his lightsaber was a thrill. The rest, was meh, but that moment when he force pulled it from his belt was slow mo best part of the prequels.
He was referring to his fight in Ep.3
This is so great. I never realized why I felt so much stronger about Like and Vaders fight when Anakin and Obi wans was more action packed. Now I realize its because the emotions are stronger and its more about the story than just swinging blades.
I wish you actually examined the lightsaber fights. I like your videos and I like your opinions but you keep pushing the "original>prequel" thing over and over on your every video.
Greedo is the only star wars fan, that while very much an OT fan at heart, can talk about all things star wars and be fair and funny at the same time.
Greedo I have a question, what helmet do you use, and where did u get it. Is a black series or some other brand
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I disagree with his stance on the Yoda vs The Emperor fight. There was drama and tension seeing the avatar of light and the avatar of darkness clash. Yes, the prequel fights don't have the same emotional weight as the OT fights, but a lot of the fighting better and dumb fun.
If the prequels are so "bad" why does everyone wants a star wars battlefront 2 in the prequels era, yeah because the most epic shit happend in the prequels, cool battles, nice space battles, cool arena and lightsabers battles, much to explore
because it's the most interesting time period. The reason most people like the prequel era is because of the Clone Wars series, which was far better than the prequels could ever be.
@@Felix-el2cw Never seen it but the prequels are equal to the originals and I only saw Star Wars last year.
With Lightsaber battles in the PT, I'd argue this actually comes down to a conceptual flaw in the prequels (one that would admittedly be pretty hard to fix, I might add). Part of what makes the OT cool was that it took place after some great fall. The Jedi get a lot of mystique because they're the heroes of a bygone golden age.
By contrast, the PT is showing that golden age-it's an era where the Jedi are sort of mundane.
For me, the problem isn't how frequently the lightsabers appear, but the choreography of the lighsaber duels. I dont' care if there's 1 or 5 lightsaber duels in the movies as long as they're good. This is how i rank the fights
1: Empire Strikes back
2: Return of The Jedi
3: The Force Awakens
4: Phantom Menace
These are good duels because they are not too slow and not too fast. You can actually see what's going on and pay attention. Good choreography and emotional. Interesting settings.
5: Anakin vs Obi-Wan
Very emotional. Interesting setting but terrible choreography. They move too fast. It feels like a dance and not like a fight.
6: Obi-Wan vs General Greivous
Not a good lightsaber duel, but a good fight in general. It has a chase scene. We get to see a jedi fight with something else than a lightsaber and it concludes without lightsabers.
7: Anakin & Obi-Wan vs Count Dooku in ROTS
8: Mace Windu vs Palpatine
9: Anakin & Obi-Wan vs Count Dooku in AOTC
These fights are too fast paced. They're kind of cool first time you see them as a kid but now they're boring. Can't really follow what they're doing.
10: I really don't care for the Yoda battles or the Old Obi-Wan vs Vader battle. The Yoda battles are WAY too fast paced and just plain stupid. The old Obi-Wan vs Vader battle is WAY too slow and boring, it doesn't even look like they're trying.
yea but i don't think everything needs to be ranked tbh. Its as if you ranked the best CGI of the movies, like...ofc A New Hope will be at the bottom
@@tempjohn3510 A New Hope didn't use CGI, unless you count the goofy shit George Lucas added into the special editions.
The Mustafar fight is great too and not just cause of the original trilogy. It’s because of all the buildup that was presented by AOTC and ROTS. It’s also because of the intelligent choreography and acting presented throughout. Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship has always been tense so to see their differing personalities clashing over the glow of Mustafar’s molten seas is amazing.
Evolving over the movies, from new apprentice thrust upon Obi-Wan out of respect for Qui-Gon, to a tense, overbearing, but ultimately loving father-son relationship, to equals as brothers in arms. And now they are enemies. Anakin driven to fight against everything he believed in to save the love of his life from the grave. And Obi-Wan the master who was too blinded by fatherly love to see what Anakin was becoming until it was too late. Obi-Wan loved him as if he were his own but Anakin was too far gone and too powerful to ignore. “You were my brother Anakin, I loved you.” Some of the saddest words I have ever see on film. You can keep “No I am your father” cause this is way more powerful.
The prequels made lightsaber fights look so good. The prequels didn't even show light saber fights THAT much
Prequels lightsaber duels > Original, TFW and TLJ lightsaber duels. Revenge of the Sith has the best lightsaber duel in all Star Wars movies.
Gabriel Medeiros
Uhhh no.
I stand by my opinion that the fight from TFA is the best one.
It's kinetic, emotional and it looks absolutely amazing thanks to 3D printed lightsabers and expert lighting by the film crew.
Right after that comes ROTJ, ESB, ANH, TPM.
The other fights can die in a fire for all I care.
TFA's fight was fantastic. 100% with you.
yep TFA best lightsabre fight. Thank you Spielberg..........and Geoffrey of Monmouth.
I didn't really like the tfa fight because I was super confused about how someone who had never held a lightsaber before could beat someone who was pretty experienced with a lightsaber. it looked good visually but sorta lacked continuity
Griffin Shearer because Kylo Ren had a bowcaster slug in his belly. It was a miracle he could stand at all.
elias heimark she knows how to fight with melee weapons. Fighting with a bo-staff is way more dangerous than fighting with a 'sword' single shaft type weapon
Mr.HelloGreedo, "Oh, you're no fun anymore!" I love lots and lots of lightsaber fights full of whoop de doo backflips and somersaults.
NO! It is much more emotional that in the prequels you see many lightsabers and in the original less so you realize that the Jedi Purge has killed the Jedi almost all and the only one who can save the galaxy is Obi-Wan, Luke and Vader.
And the reason I found the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin emotional was because I found them such a great duo and they had a nice friendship. To see them fighting hurt me because I found it sad that their friendship was completely over.
Thats why its not wrong to watch them in this order: I, II, II, IV, V, VI
I HAD TEARS BY SEEING HAYDEN IN EPISODE 6! TOO DAMN EMOTIONAL\
THATS WHY I LOVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SAME!
It totally agree!
Um... doesnt Obi Wan use his lightsaber to chop off some random asshats arm? So much for “emotional powerful scenes only”. And Luke uses his lightsaber to cut open the bottom of the AT-AT. Yoda doesn’t teach Luke about lightsaber fighting because he doesn’t want Luke to fight. Because “wars not make one great”. And since the Jedi are actively involved in the Clone Wars, they would need to use their chosen weapons much more. Luke only uses his blaster up to the point he faces Vader because he’s trying to sneak around, and lightsabers are kinda loud
I think the thing to keep in mine here are the two…camps, we'll call them.
Let's us Dragon Ball Z as an example. Not too long ago two movies came out Resection F and Battle of Gods. The fan base was completely divided. Half thought Resurrection sucked ass and Gods was the best DBZ movie ever. The other half thought Gods sucked and Resurrection was a good movie.
This went on until Lanipator, the unofficial king of DBZ fan base said. They appeal to two different types of people, some like characters and story, some like action and fighting. I think that applies here.
I still agree with hellogreedo, but I think all these people saying. "I hate these hipsters who only like the original trilogy." Need to stop and just agree to disagree.
I think Force Awakens did a great job of combining the good elements of the prequel fights with the original trilogy's more emotional and raw style of fighting. I can't wait to see Luke vs Knights of Ren.
Naythan Millya Lol that aged poorly
Why do I bother reading the comments? Just butthurt prequel fans who can't handle criticism
MichaelLeroi Exactly
I disagree, it's like saying how Rick from the Walking Dead shouldn't use his gun because it should be reserved for an emotional moment. That's bullshit, the lightsaber is just a much as a ordinary weapon as Rick's gun is to him. They use it when they need to. The reason you didn't see much of it in the OT is because all the Jedi were dead and there was only 3 or 4 major force users at the time. Your examples of Alien and Jaws are also very out of place. Those are thrillers/horror movies. They need that tension of not seeing the creature to be good. Star Wars is an action syfy movie
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Put dicks in wrong place, eh? Happend to me too- but I'm just pressing a bag of ice on my lower back...
Yeah, but realistically if you had the psychic power to predict when and where bullets are gonna hit you and a magic sword that deflects bullets, are you really gonna use another gun or a magic sword?
I bet he shits on the prequel duels.
Edit: *sigh* yep
AverageOwen Yeah. As much I disagree with the prequels direction I'll always respect the beautiful fight choreography. The last fight scene in Revenge of The Sith was like they were dancing and it synched with the music score so perfectly.
Also, I didn't think that last fight scene was overthetop at all. I thought the length was perfect for what it was, which was one of the most legendary duels of all time.
In my opinion, there still isn't a fight that tops it.
***** If Obi Wan were to "flip out" it would go against everything he was trained for. Jedi aren't supposed to flip out, they're trained to be level headed and focused, which is how he lost no limbs.
Yoda vs Count Dooku: It doesn't make any sense why people don't like seeing Yoda aka a Jedi Master with a lightsaber... I know you're used to seeing him being a washed up Jedi hiding in a swamp, but he was a Jedi Master before he went into hiding/lost his mind (sarcasm)
Obi Wan vs Anakin: Like Return of The Jedi, I think these two fights are similar in emotion. I mean, it's master vs student, or in Obi Wan's case it was like fighting someone who he considered to be a little brother. I mean, he ended up defeating him, cutting off his arm and both his legs only to be engulfed in flames to die a slow and excruciating death before him. And that whole fight started over Obi-Wan finding out Anakin wiped out his own people, so that revelation was the basic foundation of that fight. It's not as pointless as your bias statement says it is.
It only took Space Hitler to say some dumb shit to Luke about his sister (that he just found out was his sister) that got him triggered enough to fight him like a mad weeabo with a sword. Even though Space Hitler killed Obi-Wan, tortured Han, wiped out the Jedi, and blew up a planet, he got triggered by the most pettiest thing ever: an invitation to the dark side, as if Leia would ever join.
Greedo's pretentiousness knows no bounds.
Well his points aren't wrong. The prequel duels look good for sure but that's about it. Most of them don't really have much depth, and that's a turnoff for a lot of people.
MegaDragonslayer1995 The reason people didn't like seeing Yoda with a lightsaber is because before the prequels, he was always portrayed as above it. Notice that he never trains Luke with a lightsaber? And how he tells Luke to leave his lightsaber and weapons before he goes into the cave? And when he lifts the X-wing out of the swamp like it's nothing? He was that catalyst showing us that the force (and by extension, Yoda) was far beyond things like blasters or lightsabers. And I don't know about you, but I dont think flipping around with a foot long lightsaber, screaming like he's passing a 12 pound kidney stone lines up with that character.
Prequel era is based on time where jedi are not a rare thing to see.
Everybody is a freaking jedi.
Also you mentioned ‘realistic battle’
Its STARWARS.
Nobody’s here to see realistic shits.
I respect your opinion but you are missing sooooo many things
I disagree. Not all lightsaber fights should be used for "emotional significance."
Then you advocate in favor of the normalization of an iconic part of these movies.
Used too much, lightsabers become boring
Nathan Eskin well they haven't yet
HOLLOW NANO
In the prequel trilogy (which i’m not bashing i actually really like the prequels) they’re used far too much.
You're not sophisticated enough to understand. All you want is mindless action.
One of my favorite HelloGreedo videos to date.
This video kinda feels like it's only purpose is to be a bash to the prequels. I understand your resentment for the prequels, but just because you don't feel the emotions in certain fights doesn't mean that they aren't there. I agree that the Short Luke vs Vader moment in ROTJ is jam packed with emotion and the best fight in all of the current star wars movies, I also don't think it can be topped. However, the Obi-wan vs Vader fight in ANH, just doesn't make me feel much. I understand to others it does, and I don't dismantle their opinion based on mine. Sure, maybe holding back the appearance of the Lightsaber could have done something for the story, but I honestly think that it enhances the story that lightsabers were heavily used for a long time period and then sequentially become extremely rare for the next 50 years. And honestly the Lightsaber fight in TFA is well choreographed, but the music felt sub par to every other lightsaber fights music, which hurt my feelings towards the fight.
I agree and disagree. I think they should be used whenever, but depict a realistic fighting style. I thought the prequels we're to choreographed and planned out and I thought the original just wasn't as entertaining. Imo the force awakens has the best light saber fighting ever, it's realistic and raw and emotional. It's just perfection
How realistically are the Jedi supposed to be in combat? Don't they possess prescience and telekinesis? Anyone possessing such traits would fight in a different way than most swordsmen.
In the OT, they don't fight like swordsmen, either.
I think what's important to realize is that in the OT, a lightsaber was played up more as an ancient weapon used in the old days by knights or anyone else who had access to one much like old broad and long swords used in the medieval period. Before the prequels came in and turned them into artificial, shallow video game power up/upgrades for Jedi, the lightsaber functioned like a regular sword in which anyone could pick up and use, if they well trained in swordplay. Just another factor in how the prequels just completely misunderstood the OT.
C'mon Vader vs Kenobi on Mustafar was the best fight... so much emotions... like you say for the originals...
But here's what you gotta know
1. It was technically around 10-15 mins cus Yoda vs Palpatine was split into it.
2. If you watch the Clone wars tv show before or just listen to Vader and Ben talking on the death star, you know the history and development.
3. The fight was mainly them getting off of the burning platform, Anakin pushing Obi-wan back and Obi-wan finding a place where he would win against anakin.
It would be great but... I just can't take fight seriously when I see two people twirling their lightsabers and Surfing on Lava, and the High Ground thing, And Hayden's Acting, It's just too Ridiculous and Over The Top for me, I just prefere More Realistic Combat, it's more eintertaning for Me that Dancing with glowsticks
Darth Vader Its just your opinion I guess. I don't know why but I *REALLY* hated the scene in episode 8 where Kylo has his lightsaber stuck in the guy, it almost seems like the saber doesn't burn through matter. But in my opinion episode 3 fight is comparable to episode 6 in its amzingness, but whatever you think is fine.
Yeah in the new movies Lightsabers aren't so powerful anymore, In OT just a little touch was enough to chop entire hand off, In PT Jedi can cut through steel walls, and Battle droids like through butter, and in New Movies ? It looks like its acctualy hard to kill people in armor, and look How Kylo Ren tanks blows from Finn and Rey, and look at the scene when Kylo slices through Finns back, if lightsabers in this movies were as powerful as they were in OT, PT and Rogue One, All that would be left ftom Finn would be two pieces, also the duels in New Trilogy are very sloppy, only Luke has finnese but god his twirls and doges are like from Matrix, I like OT duels and I like The Phantom Manace duel, also ROTS duel is good altough not best for me, and Clone Wars duels are so awsome
"god his twirls and doges are like from Matrix" he's been taking Gym classes you know xD. There are probably better duels but the one between Sidius and Maul/Opress damn it felt like I was watching mocap animations. (motion capture)
The reason why the lightsaber fight in the original triology was very simplistic and slow is mostly because the lightsaber models used were very fragile
I wouldn’t call the OT lightsaber fights bad, but I and many prefer more choreographic fight is because they’re more action and better represent the Jedi that can move things with their mind, including their bodies and are guided by the force.
You expect realism in a space sci-fi where Jedi are literally superhuman with telekinetic power.
You call Jedi jumping far and and doing some crazy acrobatics goofy (not just in lightsaber fight but in general), but those things are what differentiate a force user to just a man with a lightsaber.
Like some other said, I feel you have some nostalgia bias to the original triology, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you wouldn’t care if they got rid of anything to do with the force.
So... did you accidentally leave those Dick Pasta clips in the video or something?
Matthew Lee no
thephantombat gaming Thanks for the input
***** your welcome
Greedo this is the type of video I like, serious dialogue of a relevant subject with bits of hilarity. Great video, keep them coming!
So basically all I got out of this was an OT fanboy whining about the prequels without any substance or valid critique and judging by the comments, this is all he does.
Why was this recommended to me again?
kaihedgie everything word in that sentence is right. (I actually didn't like ep8). The prequels did what they did and did it well. The OT did what it did and did it well, the new trilogy the same (though not in my opinion). Big deal move on. Stop hammering on the prequels, Lucas delivered his vision and besides if you don't like it, just fucking *IGNORE IT*
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You must be a mouthbreather if you hate the fact that someone who BASES HIS CHANNEL OFF OF STAR WARS talks, critiques, and complains about Star Wars. Follow your own words if you believe in it.
@@TooCooFoYou why are you replying to a comment from last year?
@@tempjohn3510
*Says the person who did the exact same thing.
@@TooCooFoYou I was talking about your comment, not mine with the OP. But fine, I don't understand how your reply change anything to what I said. I never criticized the channel or talk about the channel. I was talking about fans who dislike certain trilogies or episodes of the franchise.
Kudos HelloGreedo. That beach ball bouncing around Woodstock 99' line killed me!
Wtf Yoda vs Palpatine was my favorite duel.
This is why I love the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul on Tatooine. The duel starts in their dialogue and their eyes before culminating in a saber fight consisting of three strikes.
This video pretty much explains why I'm not a fan of that revamped Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader Duel. In it, both Kenobi and Vader are far too reckless and active. If you were Vader, would you be anything other than deathly cautious against the guy who put you in that hellish suit in the first place? I understand that they were portraying Vader's anger, but it just didn't look right to me.
But that's my opinion, if you like it, good o. I just don't.
Let me point out something else crucial in storytelling: Things have to make sense. The prequels explore an extraordinary era rich with Jedi, Sith, lawless bounty hunters over the Star Wars galaxy in a time of war. With that being said, considering this is a story that is Jedi-centric, its only makes sense we see more lightsabers. If tension is built right, it doesn't matter what how many lightsabers we see because they don't matter, the build up and climax is what really makes the impact. The Clone wars do an excellent job with this.
dumb question, but does he just stand there and wave his hands and then record what he says while editing. or is there a mic in his helmet.
jake robert first one
jake robert he records his voice first, then mimes it in front of a green screen.
This is like a better Marshmello
Not even remotely what I was expecting. Was expecting fight analysis.
What I don't get is why people complain about prequel lightsabers battles being too fast, or complex. Come one these are supposed to be super powered beings who have practiced with these tools their whole lives. Of course they are going to be fast and doing some fancy movees.
Something I never understood is why the typical metal gun (like we use in earth) was never used in star wars.. Would a light sabre deflect that or would it just result in two smaller and probably molten pieces of metal hitting the Jedi?
They are in the Star Wars galaxy actually, known as slugthrower weapon. But they are rare and seen as primitive. Tusken raiders are an example of using slugthrower weapons.
People don't like them because of the ammo limitations and reloading times, slug thrower ammo is rare and hence very expensive too, where as blasters are run from an energy pack which lasts long and is easily replaced as well as being so common they are cheap.
Jedi who come up against slug throwers usually try to dodge since deflecting would result in what you mentioned, some Jedi have been picked off with slugthrower weapons.
EccentricM oh cool I never realised that with tusken raiders.Thanks for replying :)
In republic commando one of the clones calls shotguns outdated.
yeah, since it there is no point in one to them
you mean led bullets
Very interesting and good video! The prequels have about 3 or more lightsaber duels per movie, while the others have only one duel.
I love seeing people get butt hurt at criticism of the prequel lightsaber duels.
Edge Master its not butthurt, its just defending what they like. There can never be a concencus because we are dealing with 3 generations of star wars fans. Prequel, Original and New. I'm from prequel so ofc i fucking loved the prequels
I partially agree, I feel like the prequels were supposed to show such a large difference in time periods, the difference between the days of the republic where everything was over the top and bright and vibrant telling most of the story with coruscant as the capital, then to the dark times where everything felt gritty and like all good things in the galaxy were scarce. The tones of the 2 trilogies were so drastically different and I feel like it was a good thing and it let us appreciate the duels in the OT more because of how special they are compared to the older times when lightsabers and jedi were a common occurrence and puts more emphasis on the importance of the last jedi fighting the ones who brought down his predecessors. I agree however from an enjoyment/story telling perspective that it would make them more interesting but its also good to see the differences from the days of the Republic to the days of the Empire.
Ah, I knew it would be prequel bashing from the get go...
HelloGreedo is predictable
Feeling a bit of that Plinkett style editing.. Good job! :)
Cmon lets be honest, Obi Wan vs Darth Vader is shit. It's very cringe even for the 70s, it didn't age well.
HelloGreedo I can't agree with you more. This video you made is the absolute best video I've seen explaining how lightsabers in the Star Wars movies. I strongly agree on every level you had said.
Don't let this guy force his opinion on you. Your favorite is your favorite, no one can change that. Especially not this prequel hater. Real star wars fans respect all aspects of star wars. The prequel thrilogy brought a new generation of star wars fans, and so will this new thrilogy coming up.
Don't get me wrong I love your video expressing your opinion, but I think if you weren't trying to force your opinion, then you wouldn't make a whole video on it. Still respect your opinion though, and i will still be subscribed.
Yanangel Sanchez thrilogy? Trilogy right?
Yanangel Sanchez he's not forcing his option on anyone, he made a video explaining how he thinks lightsabers should be used.
In fact by just calling him a hater and telling people to ignore him you're the the one forcing your option on him and others.
You can't say people aren't real fans unless they like everything, if that were the case then 100% of Dragonball fans wouldn't be "real fans" because nobody likes Dragonball: Evolution.
+Yanangel Sanchez I was gonna make a short comment saying why I don't agree, but I don't want to force my opinion on you.
:P
Eq_NightGlider_ if you would've read i say i "respect his opinion", if you have been on youtube long enough people like casey neistat do these things. They make full on videos expressing their opinions trying to make people turn to their side. The thing is that the original trilogy does have a lot of dialogue and i love both trilogies. But by bashing one trilogy with the amount of followers he has, he'll definitely make people follow him.
This is off-topic, but everything you said sums up how I ALSO feel about Avatar: the Last Airbender. In Aang's show, Avatar: the last airbender (the originals), epic fights and dramatic moments were rare and soooo sweet! But then in Korra's, The Legend of Korra (the Sequels), had every episode with wannabe epic fights and overly dramatic Choreography that it got to the point where NO fight was really unique. I found myself numbed to what effects these fights had to offer.
But I still grew up with and love both series, so no hate, please.
1. Bespin
2. Emperor's chamber
3. Death Star I
rest
eh, the death star one didn't really have anything to offer choreographically or emotionally, besides Ben's "death".
i would put Rey and Kylo over death star 1. They dont talk much but the emotion is vicible and the meaning of it can be felt from just their faces. Apart from that i agree.
mine would be
1. Empire
2. Jedi
3. Force Awakens
4. Star Wars
and i'd like to forget anything else
Daniel Ortiz good point
***** i swear i wrote my list before reading your comment :)
My top 5 Lightsaber Duel SCENES (not my favorite choreography) are:
#1. Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader (vs. The Emperor) (Return of The Jedi).
#2. Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader (The Empire Strikes Back).
#3. Rey vs. Kylo Ren (The Force Awakens).
#4. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader (Revenge of The Sith).
#5. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader (A New Hope).
Nah the maul fight is over rated. Several plot holes and logic flaws all over it.
Thank you!
I don't even get the appeal of it. It was just a dumb, dumb, DUMB movie all around.
Ian Rodgers Altough it isn't a good film- I can still enjoy it to some degree- just not as a Star Wars movie (prequels never happend in my headcanon).
I can't enjoy any of them. Especially episode 2. The dialogue is just AWFUL. The story is terrible. Everything about the prequels is just horrid.
Ian Rodgers I completly agree- the first on is just amusing me for some reason.
the prequel obiwan vs anakin is my personal favorite I like how it's choreographed and seeing the desperation as obiwan slowly loses anikin further to the darkside and yeah, sure the original trilogy had more emotional value behind it but theres gotta be a point where how the duel looks has to come into consideration too
now it's time to get shat on by everyone