Sly Cooper - Sly's Fake Amnesia - Complicated Relationship

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  • Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
  • From the very start of the series, fans have felt the love Carmelita has for her ringtail raccoon Sly. They’ve always had this unusual type of relationship, where both fought for justice on opposite side of the law. Although Cooper seemed like a criminal for Interpol most of the time, she knew deep down that Sly was the love of her life.
    In Sly Cooper 3 Honor among Thieves, Sly faked amnesia and this was clearly hinted at during the credits scene. One Sanzaru Games took over, they continued with that story. Did Sly work for Interpol or was he simply Carmelita’s lover?
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  • @puffpuffpassmako
    @puffpuffpassmako 3 года назад +132

    Lets see: Sly steals a kiss in the first game, and shows hearts all around her face, she helps sly on multiple occasions, she saved a bottle of champagne to have with sly for when she finally catches him, she calls him "my criminal" and covers for him at the end of 3, she gets in an actual relationship with him in 3, and in an animated short, it's shown on her desk she keeps ALL his notes to her she finds at crime scenes inside her desk. They both have feelings for each other 100%. Probably the best couple of the ps2 era, and it took 3 games to develop their relationship.

    • @brianwhite9339
      @brianwhite9339 Год назад +2

      He should have told her the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @HeavenOnlyKnows2002
    @HeavenOnlyKnows2002 7 лет назад +273

    Just thinking about sly walking into Interpol headquarters all casual with Carmelita has me laughing

    • @divinelasso9617
      @divinelasso9617 7 лет назад +18

      la la la... casual thief walks in lol

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +19

      Hahaha with Winthorp all jealous.

    • @HeavenOnlyKnows2002
      @HeavenOnlyKnows2002 7 лет назад +3

      VTNVIVI trying to expose sly and stuff lol

    • @bryeebeast5468
      @bryeebeast5468 5 лет назад +5

      why wasnt sly wanted by the fbi or cia which are part of america where he comes from. one more with his types of thievery for good he maybe couldve used that to help those govorments

    • @youcancallmeneck5178
      @youcancallmeneck5178 Год назад

      ​@@bryeebeast5468 I always thought Sly was french or European?

  • @falcofan235
    @falcofan235 6 лет назад +113

    I do want to see Sly and Carmelita getting together, extending on their relationship. They already were in one already, why not build up on that, forget about the past events and get together? It's the "Now", that counts, not what has happened.
    I also think, that both Sly and Carmelita wanted to engage on said relationship. While Sly was being crushed by the monstrosity of Dr.M, he said, that he was a coward towards Carmelita and "I would tell her exactly how I feel, if she was here". That alone shows, both wanted it, one way or the other.
    Also, another sidenote: Who took the picture of Sly, Bentley and Murray, when they were gliding away after the plane crashed into the mountain? Was it Zig and Zag? Did we miss an important little Easter Egg? No, seriously, who took that photo?

  • @rangerkenny665
    @rangerkenny665 7 лет назад +241

    You know sly is planning something when he wears pants.

  • @Francis362003
    @Francis362003 6 лет назад +43

    I think Carmelita is in love with him, and when she found the photo of him and her I think right there and then. She was emotionally compromised.

  • @joaomacedo7279
    @joaomacedo7279 7 лет назад +83

    I rly want to see those 2 together again, for me it's one of the best love relationship ive Saw on games, but of corse There are better but this one is unic. Keep up the good work!!

  • @charleswesthoff5954
    @charleswesthoff5954 6 лет назад +21

    "He was actually wearing pants" honestly best quote of the year

  • @the-mighty-bruh6925
    @the-mighty-bruh6925 7 лет назад +71

    Sly WEARING PANTS!!! That's new

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +6

      What is this monstrosity O_O

    • @carmelitafox3815
      @carmelitafox3815 5 лет назад +4

      Why do people find that weird???

    • @slycooper4506
      @slycooper4506 4 года назад +1

      @@carmelitafox3815 is that really you I've been looking everywhere for you

    • @ghostyoda7379
      @ghostyoda7379 4 года назад +1

      *_WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!_*
      **Full panic mode activated**

    • @slycooper4506
      @slycooper4506 4 года назад +2

      @@carmelitafox3815 listen I'm stuck in ancient Egypt I don't exactly know when maybe 1300 BC I'm living in a cave on the Nile River.

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames 7 лет назад +36

    Ever since finishing 3, I assumed she told everyone how Sly saved her life and lost his memory. I ASSUMED other coppers allowed him to stay.

  • @gulfgiggleanimations4472
    @gulfgiggleanimations4472 7 лет назад +74

    I think that Sly was probably working alongside Carmelita. While there's nothing to explicitly prove it, there's also nothing to explicitly disprove it. Logically, he would have had a job in the time between 3 and 4, and police officer seems more up Sly's alley than fast food cashier.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +6

      That could be true hey :)

    • @brennenbrown8166
      @brennenbrown8166 7 лет назад +1

      VTNVIVI I think that could be true as well.

    • @13KuriMaster
      @13KuriMaster 6 лет назад +2

      Plus, maybe Carmelita was able to convince her boss to go along with the Constable Cooper charade... he is a skilled individual, he would probable do quite a bit of good using those skills to help the police.

    • @richardthang5266
      @richardthang5266 8 месяцев назад

      @@brennenbrown8166​​⁠ But yes, Sly Cooper and his friends have the still voice actors in their game from a long time ago except for Carmelita who has a different voice than the rest of Sly’s game just as Ratchet and Clank’s voice actors.

  • @joeyburghout5519
    @joeyburghout5519 5 лет назад +18

    I beat Sly 3 and saw the ending, and it looked like Sly was married to Carmelita. That is the only reason i can think of that made Bently say "Sly, you sneaky old dog" when he spotted him living with her in her penthouse apartment.

    • @VITAS874
      @VITAS874 3 года назад +1

      I think it is true 😏

  • @misterskyhigh6789
    @misterskyhigh6789 7 лет назад +54

    Your making more sense of Sly 4 then I knew

  • @lennyfais5040
    @lennyfais5040 5 лет назад +8

    “Interpol does not have the power to make arrests”
    THANK YOU!

  • @dragonicstarblade2049
    @dragonicstarblade2049 6 лет назад +10

    Well, as far as the whole "Constable Cooper" thing she could easily brush Cooper off as her "non-active partner" meaning she does the hard work while Cooper is doing desk duty in a way, until THAT incident saying that he followed her and sunk in with the other mercs she hired. Also you forgot to mention how Sly 2 ended, with how they talked to each other like they were on a "date" together, and after they had spent so much time together before and during their time travel "date" she got to better understand Sly and the roll he plays as a Thief. She realized that his job is truthfully no different than hers, save for the fact that she wears a badge and he doesn't, she HAS to follow a set rule book while he has a more free hand to collect evidence for her to arrest the crooks they catch.

  • @NaterBaiterGamer
    @NaterBaiterGamer 7 лет назад +88

    I always wondered if Carmelita still loved Sly, even after she caught up with him with his amnesia in the 4th game.
    After Paradox was defeated, and Sly disappeared, she started to miss him after he was gone for many weeks after the Blimp vanished with Sly on it.
    I think Carmelita will still ❤️ Sly after he is rescued.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +19

      She does love him and will help the gang as much as she can.

  • @TheRevanchrist
    @TheRevanchrist 6 лет назад +9

    These two to me are like the reverse role of batman and catwoman. They're both into each other but there professions get in the way

  • @odlerax
    @odlerax 7 лет назад +18

    I can see sly being the spy for inter pole he would act like a simple criminal but also using the knowledge from the thevis racoonis to get information

  • @raymond6845
    @raymond6845 7 лет назад +19

    Great video as always! 3 thoughts in regards to the video.
    1. I wish that they had done more with Winthorp. There could be some interesting plot lines.
    2. If Sly could just wear a tux, and not be recognized by Carmelita (while still wearing his mask and not wearing pants) then there is no problem with the idea of him going unnoticed for 8 years.
    3. I always theorized that Carmelita told Sly he was their most valuable undercover agent(He being so respected in the underworld would make him a valuable tool), and used the history of him taking down the Fiendish Five and Klaww Gang to back her up (Carmelita assuming that if Sly remembered something, then her story of him being an agent might still hold together).

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      Thanks for sharing! As for point 2, you are so right!!!

  • @crashslysonic777
    @crashslysonic777 7 лет назад +48

    I found it weird but funny that you referred to him as "Cooper" instead of Sly throughout some parts of this video.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +10

      I guess to avoid repetitiveness lol.

  • @xXSilentAgent47Xx
    @xXSilentAgent47Xx 2 года назад +2

    The only thing they messed up in this after trilogy is new studio HAD on purpose make Penelope as villain for the sake of "plot". For no good reasons had to do 180 on her.
    Perhaps if her personality was changed by Cyrille in the past, then that would make sense.

  • @beedolphin1
    @beedolphin1 7 лет назад +15

    okay, I don't really have much information on Sly working with Carmelita or Interpol because we just see that he's with her but not working with her. He seems to have time to spy so its possible for something there but I don't have enough information to say yes or no. One thing for sure is when I play the fourth game, I really can't agree with Carmelita being so angry with Sly. It is true that Sly lied about having amnesia but she also lied making it on her as well for lying. She had set herself up to fail, especially with the main trap of believing she changed him, I don't know many who wouldn't think that with someone they love. If she had been honest with him and not claimed him to be a agent of Interpol and said more on the truth that she wanted a relationship with him without the Sly Cooper Gang there then I would have understood her anger. Being lied to or lying to someone is by far a way to fail. I know many don't agree but if Carmelita is mad at Sly for lying then she really should be understanding and not shooting at him because she did it herself on lying to Sly as well. Sly was trying to be honest and she let herself get so worked up over him lying to her that she didn't treat him fairly, to me anyway.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      Ahh another side to this story I like it!

  • @KavinCatastrophe
    @KavinCatastrophe 7 лет назад +23

    I would love the idea of a super theif helping the police to take down other thevies. I find Sly skills would be a waste if they did not use it. Carmelita could tell Interpol he got Amnesia and they would accept that and use him.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +3

      Who knows :O

  • @terrabnadia1793
    @terrabnadia1793 4 года назад +10

    Honestly Sly 3 was a great finale. Sly 4 felt like a bad fan fiction game rather than a legitimate story continuation

    • @velocilevon
      @velocilevon 2 года назад

      Ironic how 3 games that got a sequel all had an ending that could both end the series on a good note but also leave room for continuation, while the one that didn't get a sequel had a cliffhanger ending. Ain't that a load of crap. Also, I think they shouldn't have bothered with the gang using time travel in order to stop the main villain, it would've been better (and easier imo) if it just picked off Sly 3's ending where Bentley and Penelope finish building the time machine and use it to watch and examine the Cooper family bloodline's adventures.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Год назад

      but they dud what you described@@velocilevon

  • @rythianblack
    @rythianblack 6 лет назад +7

    I think sly worked with Carmelita as a sort of CI or something like that or a private investigator so he could work with her and not be directly in interpols eyes.

  • @nylajereb4523
    @nylajereb4523 3 года назад +1

    Theres a fan game in the making called "Cooper Court of Thieves" were we play as the kid of the 2: Cooper Fox. Being on both sides on the law just like his parents

  • @treythornton19
    @treythornton19 7 лет назад +10

    Maybe work together as a team and the relationship

  • @mcmorky9704
    @mcmorky9704 2 года назад +2

    Actually part of the joke is sly is unrecognizable without his mask, which is real funny all things considered.

  • @Pooky1991
    @Pooky1991 6 лет назад +9

    I strongly disagree with other people. I don't think Carmalita was watered down at all in the 4th game. Matter a fact the things i didn't like about her character in 4 is that 1. she was underused with missions and the final boss 2. Some of her basic moves in previous games are unlockables behind a paywall 3. You don't have the option to wear her other outfit (though ultimate Carmalita is pretty badass looking) and 4. She no longer has her kick or can shoot while jumping

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  6 лет назад +1

      About point 3, I wonder if customization will be a thing in Sly 5 :)

    • @kapitan7357
      @kapitan7357 2 года назад

      Tbf that kick was pretty OP if it could hurt Muggshot while Murray's fists couldn't LOL.

  • @VongolaXZax
    @VongolaXZax Год назад +1

    It's nice watching this again, it'll be great seeing Sly and Carmelita reunited again!

  • @the-mighty-bruh6925
    @the-mighty-bruh6925 7 лет назад +30

    Classic Sly always good at Faking amnesia or anything

  • @karldettlinger467
    @karldettlinger467 7 лет назад +1

    As soon as I heard you theorize about the different clothes being able to disguise him, I immediately thought about the Clark Kent-Superman Gag from Lois and Clark- The New Adventures of Superman! That gag can go with everything, I guess.

  • @WilltheHedgehog02
    @WilltheHedgehog02 4 года назад +2

    I always figured that Sly was a consultant partnered with Carmelita since he'd be quite knowledgeable about certain crimes and how criminal minds operate (I know he's pretending to be an amnesiac but remember those psychoanalytical philosophical bits he said to his enemies right before they fight? Notwithstanding Dimitri, of course), making him function like a Shinichi Kudo from Detective Conan or a Lucifer Morningstar from Netflix's Luficer.
    You don't necessarily have to be apart of the police to be a consultant for an officer. Plus, Sly assisting the police could have gained him some form of immunity. That's just my theory anyway. 🤷‍♀️

  • @uberkirbeeh7954
    @uberkirbeeh7954 7 лет назад +6

    I always knew by the end of Sly 3 that he was faking it. But I've been thinking if Sly has been working as an private investigator instead of working with/for the Interpol during his fake amnesia sequence. He has the skills and abilities to do so in a nutshell. It always bothered me that the other cops or no one was not able to recognize Sly just by wearing different clothes. But in the end, that same thing happen in Sly 2 during the Clockwerck wings heist.

    • @micayahritchie7158
      @micayahritchie7158 7 лет назад +1

      Über Kirbeeh weren't there like 3 incidents in sly 3 where (rather stupidly) sly managed to fool guards and even don Octavia and General Tsao just by changing clothes?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      Oh yeah that dance :P

  • @sinisorsia6604
    @sinisorsia6604 7 лет назад +8

    This was really interesting video. Maybe the best Sly Cooper video

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      Aww means a lot :D

  • @renamon5658
    @renamon5658 4 года назад +3

    I hope sly 5 touches on clockwerk and carmelita and sly's relationship... And please show us sly's parents

  • @the-og-cerealkiller
    @the-og-cerealkiller 4 года назад +2

    I can already imgine the whole scenario
    Carmelita whisper shouting at his muggshots that Sly is having amnesia and treat him like he belongs
    Then they just send him on a "medical leave"

  • @somerandomparrot5101
    @somerandomparrot5101 4 года назад +3

    In Sly 4 the reason for Sly pulling a heist (aka "the old itch came back")
    Is terrible

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +1

      I think that line never actually bothered me, but I understand ya.

  • @NaterBaiterGamer
    @NaterBaiterGamer 7 лет назад +2

    I agree that Sly was just relaxing himself while Carmelita did her job, he never had the idea to work on the good side of the law that messes with his family legacy on the bad, it is never mentioned by his voice in the animated cutscenes or actual gameplay.
    So yeah, Sly never worked for Interpol while he faked Amnesia to be with Inspector Fox.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      Glad you agree!

  • @marmarzzz
    @marmarzzz 7 лет назад +6

    Interesting video VTNVIVI

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      Thanks as always mate.

  • @Winthertainment
    @Winthertainment 4 года назад +3

    They would definitely know that it was Sly. Idk if they’d buy the whole amnesia thing tho.. I feel like that part doesn’t really make sense. How he was just allowed to retire and live a normal life like that.

  • @stephencraine248
    @stephencraine248 6 лет назад +4

    Slye and Carmelita simply a love relationship.

  • @TKO-zz1rx
    @TKO-zz1rx 3 года назад +3

    She wanted that thief for herself

  • @sharonallen5650
    @sharonallen5650 5 лет назад +3

    Yes they are in love and they are working together

  • @GarbageMan144
    @GarbageMan144 4 года назад +3

    I know this is old but I really wish there would be a Sly 5

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +2

      We all wish that :)

  • @elusiveattempts6555
    @elusiveattempts6555 2 года назад +1

    I'm a bit late to the party now, but I'm pretty sure he isn't working with Interpol because, ya know, he supposedly has amnesia. He's supposed to at least. Can't really do your job if you don't remember any of the training you went through or anything. Fake IDs also wouldn't necessarily be required as long as Carmelita just kept him home and away from her work after they got back from the island. As long as he was never made to go to somewhere like any police station, he was good.

  • @sonichart1364
    @sonichart1364 3 месяца назад +1

    So are we not gonna talk about how Carmelita also lied? I know she thought Sly had amnesia, but she also lied about how he was Constable Cooper.

  • @Mr.Nygma90
    @Mr.Nygma90 4 года назад +2

    If you also notice in the previous Sly games the amount of time released between games is the same amount of time for the characters. In Sly 2 in the opening cutscene Sly mentions he defeated Clockwerk 2 years ago. Sly 1 came out in 2002 and Sly 2 came out in 2004. So Sly 3 came out in 2006 and Sly 4 came out in 2013 so that’s 7 years between them. I would say for the beginning Sly and Carmelita didn’t work together but give it enough time and maybe they did and the same for their relationship. Like a real relationship simple then maybe intimate but why they never got married or had children is unknown. Also I know this is about Sly and Carmelita but at the same time the heartache Bentley felt from Penelope could very well be that of a 7 year relationship. Naturally anyone who’s had a long term relationship knows how upsetting it can be when it’s over. But that’s my thoughts on this.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад

      I personally don't think 7 years have passed between 3 and 4. But like you said, 7 years is an ample amount of time for Bentley and Penelope's relationship to hit a stump.

  • @mamijsas2381
    @mamijsas2381 4 года назад +2

    It seems to me that Sly and Carmelita just had an intimate relationship. As for being in Interpol, no. I think she used Sly to help her go undercover once or twice, but nothing more. Also, you don't take your police pal to a museum causally, unless you're undercover or dating

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +1

      I like the undercover theory!

  • @sweetapple8736
    @sweetapple8736 7 лет назад

    This video had changed my perspective , and made me love these two more. Another great amazing video !!! :D

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад

      Glad you enjoyed it thanks :D

  • @carmelitafox3815
    @carmelitafox3815 5 лет назад +2

    This is so true...
    Edit: I've always loved Sly, and yes this is a super late reply..

  • @NaterBaiterGamer
    @NaterBaiterGamer 7 лет назад +19

    Sly and Carmelita never got married, yet. Would be nice if that happens soon.
    If Carmelita gets pregnant, who would prefer, a daughter, or a Son ( Fox or Raccoon )?

    • @NaterBaiterGamer
      @NaterBaiterGamer 7 лет назад

      Thief or Cop when they grow up?

    • @dth1326
      @dth1326 7 лет назад +4

      I would probably prefer a daughter raccoon, as there is only one major female Cooper so far: Henriette One Eye Cooper.
      As for the wedding, I think it will happen at the end of Sly 5, Murray being the best man and Bentley officiating the wedding.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +11

      This could be a grand finale, I'd imagine a daughter.

    • @ghostyoda7379
      @ghostyoda7379 4 года назад

      Raccoon-Fox hybrid? No?
      Ok

    • @VITAS874
      @VITAS874 3 года назад

      daughter and son

  • @cringyperson9670
    @cringyperson9670 3 года назад +2

    I think they were just smashing. Towards the end of Sly 3, Sly decided that he was done with everything and just wanted to live with Carmelita. Sly 4 messed that all up even though I kinda buy it there, but whatever.

  • @Insignia_
    @Insignia_ 4 года назад +1

    There's def chem between these two. While they are on the opposite sides of the law, I believe they have an important thing in common; Their priorities, which go like this:
    1. Their jobs (If you can call "thieving" a job...).
    2. Each other.
    3. Then their own lives (Well, Sly would probs put his friends life above his but anyway).
    They would both do anything for each other, except openly and/or directly having to back out from their duty. Carmelita could shot and arrest Sly if need be, but I think she would only do this because she knows that he'd be fine. He has the skills and the contacts to help him escape, hell, she could actually secretely help the escape. Same thing for Sly. I doubt he'd back out of an important job like somone messing with the thievius racoonus, but he'd have on his mind how to help Carmelita when the job's done. This is a very interesting dynamic that could easily be one strong point for a movie or a TV show ;)

  • @the-mighty-bruh6925
    @the-mighty-bruh6925 7 лет назад +10

    One question I do have if Sly 5 does get announced will Carmalita get a new voice actress

  • @megas957
    @megas957 3 года назад +1

    I think at best he'd be a consultant, someone they'd ask for help but not part of their employment

  • @slycooper4506
    @slycooper4506 4 года назад +2

    She said her name was a hand-me-down name from the side of the family that long ago came over here on a boat from somewhere in Spain she sounded to me just a little bit strange I guess but I have to admit it, "it felt good on my lips."

    • @jackthorton10
      @jackthorton10 4 года назад +1

      Very charming Mr. Cooper, real smooth ;)

    • @slycooper4506
      @slycooper4506 4 года назад +1

      @@jackthorton10 why thank you I do pride myself on being quite the Prince Charming.

    • @smithsoniansmith2433
      @smithsoniansmith2433 4 года назад +1

      Sky Cooper: hope you are happy....Brother....*walk away*

    • @slycooper4506
      @slycooper4506 4 года назад +1

      @@smithsoniansmith2433 well I'm not really happy I mean I am stuck in ancient Egypt right now after all remember.

    • @Tidal981
      @Tidal981 3 года назад +1

      @@slycooper4506 When are u going to come back man?😭

  • @FastTquick
    @FastTquick 7 лет назад +2

    I think that Sly and Carmelita repairing their relationship should be a major subplot for Sly 5 and 6. I imagine that one of the most bittersweet conclusions for the series is that Sly and Carmelita forgive each other for lying, restart their relationship, then go home to Carmelita's apartment. Then after downing the entire bottle of champagne Carmelita has been saving for the moment she "captures" Sly, they make love in her bed. I've always been a fan of romance plots in video games and Sly and Carmelita's is one of my favorites.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад

      Who knows :P

    • @prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235
      @prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235 5 лет назад +1

      And then i bust in through the door and fuck it all up and drag carmelita's sorry ass off the bed and into my car and drive off into my nation the end

  • @MovieMadness23
    @MovieMadness23 7 лет назад +8

    i would like to know the origin of the cooper van, like where did it come from? and why is Murray so attached to it?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад

      Maybe from a junkyard and Bentley rebuilt it :P

  • @TravisSimmons-n2h
    @TravisSimmons-n2h 2 месяца назад

    Couple months Murray becomes a professional racer and Bentley invents timetravel id assume a couple years

  • @drose44444
    @drose44444 7 лет назад

    I think Sly was a consultant for Interpol under the jurisdiction of Carmelita Fox as well as in a romantic relationship with Carmelita Fox. It make sense that he is not officially affiliated with Interpol, but still be her partner working on cases kind of like the tv show Bones where Temperance or Bones is directly affiliated with the Jeffersonian, but consults for Booth, who is an FBI agent.

  • @raindropsr9892
    @raindropsr9892 7 лет назад +4

    Maybe Le Paradox had contact with Doctor M, when Doctor M was so close to the vault, if we supppose that they were together because both want to get rid of the Cooper or humiliate them, Doctor M told to Le Paradox that the cane was the key to the vault and all the Cooper's secret. When Doctor M failed, Le Paradox maybe said to himself that the cane was everything for the Coopers. So with no cane, theres no thieves, no hiests, no vault, and probably no Coopers, or at least no thief legacy.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      So M being alive, I wouldn't be surprised at all, unless this happened way before Sly 3 which I doubt.

  • @samori360
    @samori360 7 лет назад

    Amazing video VTNVIVI

  • @tabreezsiddique
    @tabreezsiddique 7 лет назад +8

    0:00 - "Complicated"? Well yes that was the case in the first 3 games but in the 4th game it just all over the place in a terrible mess. :P
    0:19 - It looked genuine to me when I first played it ... until the end of the credits showed. :P
    0:52 - To hopefully see a side to him no one has ever seen before?
    1:20 - It's either him that's into her or her that's into him ... or both. ;)
    1:47 - Uh yeah as you stated; it is complicated. ;) ;)
    2:01 - What if she just took him to get different clothes? Or maybe her men were just too stupid to recognize him?
    2:29 - And that's the main issue with how the 4th game's story starts out; no one knows how long in the Sly Cooper universe it has been since the events of the 3rd game, it could've been 8 years, 4 years, 1 year or even a month and if it was close to a month then the fact that Sly was seeking to come back into thieving was just wrong. :(
    2:41 - So much wrong with this. :(
    3:17 - More then a month but still bad. :(
    3:52 - You do bring up a good point but personally I still liked how it was between them in the previous games. Carmelita always arriving on the scene after the fact.
    4:22 - You mean he's not a raccoon?! XD
    5:10 - So far I can say nothing had come up on Sly having any police business which also disappoints. I would've personally enjoyed playing as Sly as a cop doing cop stuff.
    5:20 - Just more of Sly being his old witty self but in a time when it's definitely not necessary! :(
    5:51 - Remember the Operation: Hippo Drop from the 2nd game? That about proves what you said right. :)
    6:33 - They're international and they're a type of police force so ... why not? :D
    7:00 - But what if he didn't know but was still suspicious? Also I really wish either him or James Barkley return at some point in the future. :D
    8:25 - Either way; it just wasn't as much of a threat as it was trying to be, not even better then the other games. :P
    8:50 - Maybe it was just the latter depending on the amount of months you said it was after the 3rd game.
    8:54 - Always happy to watch. :)

  • @lorettalanum1189
    @lorettalanum1189 4 года назад +4

    I just want to know what happed to sly 😭

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +2

      Tell me about it :(

    • @lorettalanum1189
      @lorettalanum1189 4 года назад +2

      @@VtnVivi I wish there was an other sly cooper so I can see what happed see if sly and carmelita get together or not andddddd I love sly Cooper when I seen it 😞😞😞😞😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭also I got the game

    • @smithsoniansmith2433
      @smithsoniansmith2433 3 года назад

      Sky Cooper: carmelina is not the only one who would lied to about lies about of Sly's Nisha @@VtnVivi

  • @addlolone
    @addlolone 7 лет назад

    This is really good! very intresting and it makes a lot of sense! I think that the relationship is complicated like you said.
    Awesome video!
    Great work!! keep it up ^.^

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it :D

  • @skylerb97
    @skylerb97 5 лет назад

    Since the in Universe time gap between the games is pretty much confirmed to be the length of time between release dates (Sly says in Sly 2 that it’d been 2 years since he beat Clockwerk, also mentions that Murray had been gone from the gang for a year in Sly 3) Its most likely that Sly was with Carmelita for 7 years instead of a couple of months (I’m using 7 since even though the game came out in 2013 according to Kevin Miller and other folks who worked on it, the game was 100% done in 2012, Sony just changed the release date because they didn’t want the game to underperform amongst the other titles they were rolling out in the fourth quarter of 2012)

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад

      7 years being in a relationship, I mean wouldn't Sly and Carmelita have gone further if that were the case? 7 years feels a lot!

    • @WilltheHedgehog02
      @WilltheHedgehog02 4 года назад

      @@VtnVivi There are relationships that can last that long, you know. But the reason why it could have lasted that long could be because of Carmelita's suspicions of Sly. For instance, if you've been with someone for years and you strongly suspect then of cheating on you but never had enough evidence to prove it, wouldn't you be hesitant to move your relationship forward (or to break it off) even though you love them?

  • @larry.l4477
    @larry.l4477 Год назад

    Okay I know I'm really goddamn late.
    But on the Interpol thing. Even if they knew it was Sly.
    Who would be better at helping with investigations on thievery than a master thief with a history of stealing from other thieves?
    I can already see a team loosing their nerves trying to figure a heist out.
    And Sly nonchalantly explains how it went because He would have done it so

  • @yaujj65
    @yaujj65 4 года назад +1

    The relationship reminds me of Max Payne and Mona Sax

  • @Aezthete
    @Aezthete 7 лет назад

    I love the new intro 💞

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      +Anthony Marquez Thank you!

  • @brnreederogers9324
    @brnreederogers9324 3 года назад

    And to do that Sly had to fake amnesia and I'm sure Carmelita had to testify on his behalf, and even then it all worked out in Sly 4 thieves in time; that is until he got sent to Egypt and the gang is looking for him

  • @ButtercupBeast
    @ButtercupBeast 19 дней назад

    Yeaah...I see your perspective but the fake amnesia thing kinda exposes a lot of things wrong with Sly and Carmelita's 'relationship.'
    When you have to lie and deceive 24/7 to keep a love connection, is it really intimacy or is it just a simulation?
    This series keeps trying to use Sly and Carmelita as the main ship yet we don't even SEE or HEAR about her life beyond Interpol and her first job that involved Sly Cooper. We don't even see her inner motivations, personality or desires outside her job and beyond trying to 'lock up' Sly...like what would make her attracted to be with him besides Sly being hot and that they look good together? This is never really fully explained besides her knowing Sly's code of honor of only stealing from criminals and always being there to benefit cleaning up after Sly's messes. We always see this relationship through Sly's eyes thoroughly with motivations and desires but never through the same complexity and depth through Carmelita's eyes and when Sly 4 happened, it seemed like it was trying to sweep the glaring big issues under the rug. The series never really explains or makes its case how and why we should care about Carmelita and Sly being together in the first place and if a story has to break its own logic, lore, and dumb down characters to force something to be there then it shouldn't be there and it's just dragging the whole story down.
    And the one thing that drags this whole ship down is that you have one person willingly to sacrifice everything, even his entire identity to be with someone yet the other will not ever do that even when given the opportunity. It really makes you question how equal the love connection is when Sly has a lot more to lose with his hard choice than Carmelita does.

  • @UZIKING
    @UZIKING 4 года назад

    It's weird to hear that he is not recognized because he had different clothes, they could still recognize his face.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +1

      Raccoon logic :P

    • @moistfist1054
      @moistfist1054 3 года назад +1

      In sly 2 carmelita didn’t recognize him even with the mask on. They danced with each other and everything. She just said he looked familiar.
      But until later with some comparison photos that a connection was made and she was frames for conspiracy. But those were never made public

  • @jare3459
    @jare3459 7 лет назад +6

    What we do know a pre-sequel of sly on a team cops be snecking​ and gathering info wouldn't suck if they do it right (nex sly game my money on carmalita fox be pregnant)

    • @lordfury18
      @lordfury18 7 лет назад +3

      yeeesssss this needs to be a thing

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      I'd imagine that as a DLC or comic book to be honest.

    • @jare3459
      @jare3459 7 лет назад +2

      VTNVIVI I know but be cool and inmagen the new characters and stuff be solved

  • @MusicGirl881
    @MusicGirl881 7 лет назад +1

    In the next Sly Cooper will they go more into Bentley and Penelope and about Penelope's betrayal

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +1

      Definitely! They need to sort it out.

  • @mistasnow636
    @mistasnow636 7 лет назад +4

    Anyway, i dont know why sly didn't tell carmelita that he had to save the thevious raccoonos in the first place? I mean, bentley could have contacted carmalita and said that they need sly to fix the thevious raccoon ous. I would have just told her the truth and that he faked only to get closer to her. Seeing as though see likes him too, that shouldn't be a problem. We already know what happens when Carmalita gets "angry "at sly. Im pretty sure she isn't going to put up with it for much longer.

    • @gulfgiggleanimations4472
      @gulfgiggleanimations4472 7 лет назад +2

      MISTA Snow Tell a cop that you need to rob a museum in order to save a book and that you've been lying to her about your mental state for over a year or so? Sure it probably would have gone down better, but real people don't think that logically in these kinds of deep lies.

    • @mistasnow636
      @mistasnow636 7 лет назад +2

      BayLaugh Animations So sneak out of the house, rob a museum(knowing she would be the first on the seen like always) and "atempt" to make things better then? It wouldn't have worked out well ether way but i would ALWAYS tell her the truth, even when it hurts. Even if it did backfire on him, at least he wouldnt need to carry the gilt of lieing.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 4 года назад

      Why didn't he tell her the truth from the beginning.

  • @seejayx736
    @seejayx736 7 лет назад

    Nice Vid Bro I'm Just Imagining How There Children Would Look Like Half Raccoon & Half Fox

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Amsosorryscotty
    @Amsosorryscotty 4 года назад +1

    I wish carmelita was done better has a character. I even had a character similar to her but smarter. Is not a damsel in distress. And has a better relationship with the main character. 3 things carmelita fails to do. Its sad wean a fan of sly cooper can make a character better then the sly cooper creators.

  • @angelworth1646
    @angelworth1646 7 лет назад +1

    Well they definitely have a complicated relationship, no doubt about it. I think that they really do love each other. If not, then what was everything for?? That is the point.

  • @sg_gaming786_springsilverfox
    @sg_gaming786_springsilverfox 7 лет назад +3

    do you think you should make a video more about wimpthorpe and will he be seen in the next sly game

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад

      I'm considering it ;)

  • @brnreederogers9324
    @brnreederogers9324 3 года назад

    I think it was more of them wanting to be more than cop vs criminal. They wanted to be in a bf and gf relationship.

  • @PRIMARISVITALLION
    @PRIMARISVITALLION 5 лет назад +2

    I'll say this if sly and carmelita ARE working together then these two could or would be a good partners OR sly could maybe be an agent and carmelita would still be a cop and would be working together JUST maybe

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  5 лет назад

      Sly must've learned a few tricks from Bentley :P

  • @AnonymousEnigma19
    @AnonymousEnigma19 3 года назад

    Hearing about this makes me think how the heck Penelope meet Le Paradox?

  • @georgecopers5071
    @georgecopers5071 6 лет назад

    Winthorpe is a Sith Lord...solved the mystery

  • @varshasampath7400
    @varshasampath7400 7 лет назад +2

    Can u do a video if Carminlita was in a long line of a family of police officers just like Sly's family line

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  7 лет назад +2

      +ImJustTrident She's known for being the 4th agent of the law in her family. Chronologically? We don't know.

  • @GEN1USYoutube
    @GEN1USYoutube 4 года назад

    When she said constable cooper he might be in the team he might be missing soo she Was looking for sly she might wanted to arrest him because she did not tell him to leave so he leave but at the end of sly 4 she found a picture she putted in her heart like how what u said after that maby she did that then she might just wanna get close to him
    Sly get close to her

  • @isntfiji
    @isntfiji 6 лет назад

    Hm, this has me thinking a bit more about Sly 4. Honestly, I wouldn't really know the time gap between him faking amnesia to this heist. Just wondering, what is your outro music? I love it!

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  6 лет назад +1

      Outro is from Final Fantasy 15 Hellfire.

    • @isntfiji
      @isntfiji 6 лет назад

      Ahh makes sense, I thought it was a part of KH's soundtrack but it didn't sound familiar. Of course, Final Fantasy, thank you!

  • @imsecretspie
    @imsecretspie 7 лет назад +4

    0:15 yep well now I realy want a sly cooper remake or collection/BOTH?

    • @jakewulgar
      @jakewulgar 7 лет назад +2

      Im Secretspie theres The Sly Collection. It contains the first 3 games in one for ps3.

    • @imsecretspie
      @imsecretspie 7 лет назад +2

      Jake Wolfenstein yeah I know sorry I meant for the ps4 vivi was talking about this or a remaster in older videos and a recent one :0

    • @JBLightning.
      @JBLightning. 6 лет назад

      Hey guyssss I’m secretspie here :)

  • @schorpioen007
    @schorpioen007 7 лет назад

    Very nice video ^^

  • @hoaxlover
    @hoaxlover 4 года назад

    In the long run I don’t think Carmelita and sly would work out. I could see them trying but sly said it himself he’s proud to be a thief. And after playing the fourth game I don’t think Carmelita can deal with that side of him she even questioned it herself. Am I the only one who thinks this?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  4 года назад +1

      The only way this would work out if for Sly to either give up his Legacy and play dress up all the time, OR Carmelita and Sly elope assuming Carmelita is willing to leave Interpol. Yeah it's definitely a struggle!

  • @devilmaycryv8047
    @devilmaycryv8047 7 лет назад +12

    when sly cooper 5 will bigen is he going to begin in 2018 or 2017

  • @gabehobby3951
    @gabehobby3951 7 лет назад

    I like the new intro 👍

  • @acgearsandarms1343
    @acgearsandarms1343 5 лет назад

    So you’re implying Sly is an Interpol consultant?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  5 лет назад

      Whatever position was given to Sly, he made the cut. I mean he didn't get recognised, thanks to the ability of Thaddeus I presume.

  • @KatarHero72
    @KatarHero72 5 лет назад +1

    I am more interested in what the cuffs were out for. (°_°)

  • @xofr6nn771
    @xofr6nn771 3 года назад

    Bruh i was js lookin for the tay k song

  • @smithsoniansmith2433
    @smithsoniansmith2433 3 года назад

    Sky Cooper:...

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 Год назад

    i love theories :) I know this is old but i want to try my hardest to beat Sly 4 as i'm hoping to recieve the first game in two weeks time
    18.8.23

  • @smiththeinspiringanimator7042
    @smiththeinspiringanimator7042 Год назад

    Awesome and cool! ^_^

  • @Rosequartz95
    @Rosequartz95 4 года назад

    It’s like Batman and catwoman

  • @StockImageOfaRat
    @StockImageOfaRat 5 лет назад

    Sly not forget

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  5 лет назад

      #FreeSlyFromEgypt

  • @aaronaraceliabundez-brione1551
    @aaronaraceliabundez-brione1551 6 лет назад

    I'M NOT A DERE DERE TSUN TSUN DERE