What Caused The Fall Of BAD BOY RECORDS? Cursed? Stunted Growth Music
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2022
- What caused the demise of one of hip hop's classic black owned labels? Bad Boy records couldn't have had a better start. They shined bright in the Biggie era, even the Mase era. They were the top record label around those times, then it was all downhill from there. Was it Sean Combs that ruined it? Is the label cursed? Or is it something different. In this video I'll discuss 3 reasons I think they fell. Enjoy. What Caused The Fall Of BAD BOY RECORDS? Cursed? Stunted Growth Music
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Is the Bad Boy curse a real thing? Where can Bad Boy go from here?
The answer isn't even 3 reasons.
sean "puff diddy" combs is the whole answer JC
It go as far as Vanilla ice career which is nowhere
Nowhere’s
Do a Stunned Growth Wale!!
It is
Stunt number 1: P Diddy
😂😂😂
Factual 😄
Back then it was Puffy🤣🤣🤣
Stunt #2: diddy
Stunt number 3: brother love
Bad Boy and Death Row labels are skeletons of what they used to be. Bad Boy is basically nonexistent due to Diddy's entrepreneurial selfishness; and Death Row is now owned by Snoop Dogg, and he's turned the label into an NFT peddling platform
Such Wasted Talent & Legacies ….. 🤷🏿♂️
After the most violent freestyle biggie literally says “peace and love” quote 🤣🤣
Exactly Bro 💀
If Biggie were still alive he’d still be making classics man
Yeah but you was so alive but he definitely won't be with bad boy he wanted out he started the commission and that's why a lot of people think that Diddy wanted him gone. It's kind of odd that Tupac died couple months prior and strangest thing is when Park went to the studio in New York and got shot by Jimmy Henchman Biggie had no clue puffy daddy was in the studio. I absolutely believe that Diddy had a hand in Pac and Biggie s death
only ppl that succeed outside of badboy after signing to another label was the lox
I disagree Mary j Blige left and did very well..she does collaborate from them from.time to time.
@@victorrichardson8260 she was never signed directly to bad boy
@@victorrichardson8260 she wasn't badboy
@@DFRNTVIEWSTV he co produced her first album and jodeci's first album Arista gave Puff financial capital so he created a subdivision aka Bad boy records
Once he profited off of Biggies catalog he knew he could kill artists careers off and keep the money. Total, 112, Loon, Mario Winans, Mase, Craig Mack, Shyne, The Lox, Craig Thomas,DIrty Money, Black Rob, Danity Kane, Day 26, Da Band, Cheri Dennis, B5, MGK, French Montana, etc. He promoted and endorsed on artists dime. Charged them overhead, keep royalties, make deals, promote positivity, and blackballed certain artists.
The LOX got their publishing back tho.
@@Cicero82 yeah... NOW
And Boyz N Da Hood as well
Con artist
That doesn’t make sense as he’d make more money off of successful artists. You act like the sole reason these artists didn’t make is because of Diddy. It’s much more complicated than that.
The saddest part about Death Row and Bad Boy’s success back then was the opportunity of the 90s That was all hard copy CD/Cassette/Vinyl Sales off the Rip. They all had enough to be well off and even potentially help further other dreams and opportunities of others artists.
No the whole industy is shaddy and messed up.
That's a thing most don't really realize. They were in a great position back then but it goes to show you that when you are faced with greed, it's always gonna own you
As cliché as it may be, you should do Tupac next. For his legacy to be what it is, his impact outside of music could’ve been so much greater for the next generation had he lived to see 40.
So TRUE. He would've been INSURMOUNTABLY SUCCESSFUL, AND MUCH MORE THAN A RAPPER/ ACTOR. Omg, I'm sad af right now 😢 😭 😞 😪 RIP GOD KING PAC.
We know what stunted his growth though
There were talks that if he stayed in acting he would have eventually been nominated for Oscars. He had a strong outlook. Personally, I think he would have left Death Row and moved onward. He looked like he was before his passing despite the altercation at the Tyson fight. Sadly, we will never know cause of his life being snuffed out before it got started.
When you started talking about mase the first thing that came to my mind was “don’t leave why ya hot that’s how mase screwed up”
Well mase life was in danger outside of the puff shit he got ran up out of there
@@tuff3jay that’s just a bar off my favorite Kanye song devil in a new dress I didn’t mind mase going to be a pastor I kinda like the welcome back album
Baby Maine🕊 was a problem for Mase that puff, B.I.G. or Cam couldn’t solve for him, thus going from NY to the pulpit lbs
This is what makes me mad that he still so repeated by so many artist today like he be all hype talking bought how black ppl need to be appreciated by the award shows and all that but he didn’t treat his artist right and I don’t really respect that. Great video
Right? He’s always talking about love, positivity, and how we gotta stick together/look after one another. Yet he’s super slimy! Just look at the way he talked to them on Making The Band..
Yep Chromical Speak, What's the tea sis ? RUclips Channel also Mark Curry his ghost writter pointed this out in his book on how puff burned the bad boys of hip hop.
Correction: Shyne had the hardest song on bad boy.
Faaacts🗣
“Any artist that wanna be an artist and wanna be a star without the producer all in the video, all on the record, dancing, come to Death Row.”
-Marion “Suge” Knight
Circa 1995
Seeing that freestyle it’s hard to imagine PAC and Big went wrong in their relationship. Sad
Real talk
It was people in the entourages who pulled them apart...mainly Pac's...more than 3 or 4 people in interviews have said that Biggie warned Pac about doing business with Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchmen because he was from Brooklyn!
@@BigDapPacino Where you there?😂
@@just2fresh814 the people who were there said this
@@BigDapPacino there's a video of biggie freestyling to a Warren g west coast beat at a death row gathering he fit well doing west coast bars
I was around during that era it was rare to see a east coast rapper do a good west coast flow or vice versa
It's very common place now
Put some respect on Mase name bro, he never faked being a preacher he really bout that life. Hes just sick of diddy shit im glad hes speaking up🤷🏽
Mase did NOT leave Bad Boy because of Puff. Mase got into it heavy with a street nigga from Harlem by taking his girl. Which is why he made “Jealous Guy”
I Hear that too.
I’m telling you, biggies death was preventable, if he never went to Los Angeles, He would still be here right now.. The entire bad boy crew was warned not to come to Los Angeles, but they did anyway, even Mrs. Wallace didn’t want him to go either.
I agree.He was warned tho,wrong choice.RIP-BIGGIE.
And they lived in NYC and could’ve easily promoted the album at home court
@@Rieky22 facts
Yep he was supposed to be in London
Arrogance killed BIG.
Just a reminder, Biggie gave puff the name Diddy & he was gonna write for puff & be his manager just as puff was for him. Then he was gonna sign cam & do the commission
Love the video. Mase isn't a hypocrite though. He is authorized to come back into music. Cam'ron ambushing him during Welcome Back, unwarranted. Diddy should have just paid him what he earned and entitled to. Mase does exceptional work as a man of God but it isn't publicized as much. Mase is speaking up more and it isn't out of bitterness. It's out of what's right.
My thing is , if you sign with Bad Boy you know what you are getting into. His track record should tell you something. ITS YOUR FAULT IF YOU SIGN YOUR LIFE OVER, period!!!!!!
I'll say this: if BIG was still here, he and Puff would NOT be cool today. Big was noticing some of Sean's snake ways before he died. You have to be a crummy person to do EVERYONE who's on your team dirty, and that's who Sean Combs is...
Him and Lance " Un " Riveria had a deal with Atlantic Records for their " Undeas" label with Junior MAFIA and Lil Kim releasing albums...that basically Biggie was orchestrating by coaching them how to rap in the booth or writing their verses...phase two of that movement was scoring a more lucrative deal with Universial Music Group...the Commission album with Jay Z and Lil Cease would have introduced Charli Baltimore and probably Cam'Ron...who was brought to Biggie through Mase after they left Big L's entourage...Biggie was probably going to do 2 more albums with Bad Boy and probably " retire"...do guest verses for a year or two and sign himself to the label he helped build but after Biggie in 97...those plans fell through and Un was not a mastermind like Biggie!
@@BigDapPacino yea Biggie was taking everyone with him he was trying to but his publishing back from Diddy
Yep he was trying to leave him and get his own thing.
They would be cool I think Big would have just been even better at discovering talent on his own label. Similar to what Jay did with Rocafella but I think Biggy would have discovered some people that actually never got a chance and would have changed the game forever. I do think that him and puff would be cool just would never do business again.
@@BigDapPacino Biggie supposedly was gonna go to death row after his "Life after death" album to and yes he would of fit in there's a video of him doing bars to a Warren g west coast beat in 95 with Tupac, Snoop, Suge and Korrupt, he fit perfectly in that environment
Would be dope to see a video about Blu. He was one of the hottest up n coming rappers in 07 when he dropped the classic Below The Heavens, but never capitalized off that attention and success. I feel like he was J Cole years before J Cole.
Love that album pure 🔥🔥🔥
Lupe was too
@@omegadre5276 I don't think lupe was like Cole but an amazing lyricist nonetheless
He was a more mellowed west coast J. Cole with less hunger. Arguably a more unique spitter and had the image for mainstream just didn’t want it
I guess we can’t agree The Lox and Young Jeezy we’re lucky being that The Lox had Ruff Ryders to back them up and Jeezy was more Jay Z artist at Def Jam as a solo artist while signed to Bad Boy as a group artist with Boyz N The Hood
The Lox not so much because they still had publishing issues after leaving the label. Indeed, Jeezy was lucky.
Young Joc was signed to Bad Boy...never Young Jeezy...he was a Def Jam artist and from what we discovered later on...Diddy allegedly screwed him several times business wise and physically too!
@@BigDapPacino Jeezy had a double deal. That guy is right.
I want to see one on Ludacris and Disturbing Tha Peace
@Nevin Reid
Chingy was to Ludacris what The Game was the 50 Cent.
@@shauncameron8390 i agree too an extent chingy never made one dope diss record and dtp wasn’t hurting when he left luda went on to win a Grammy like right after chingy was a singles artist at best powerballin only sold because jackpot was so dope and mfs were itching for new chingy and besides pulling me back nothing ever stuck
Yea I heard Ludacris did some grimy shit especially to Shawwna Titi Boi
Bad Boy had the whole 90s on lock. But you know what? No Way Out should have never won that Grammy. Three of the best songs on that album was with BIG on them. Wu Tang got robbed that year. Wu Tang Forever was way better. Both discs. Listened to it a week ago and it still holds up. Diddy always tried to get his shine on at the expense of his own artist. Look at every Bad Boy video. He's always in it, either there or dancing in it. He ruined every artist he has ever encountered and I believe he was the one who got Biggie killed in LA. Indirectly. But nevertheless, killed
He was the one that told him to go to Cali especially the song going back to Cali that was a huge mistake after your enemy dies but not even a year later people still grieving you just show up it was bond to happen because they thought he shot up pac the first time
@@Jac735 and flew to NY right after Big got shot..diddy knew what was up
Wu Tang Forever is not better than No Way Out.
@@C280S of course u went put there with your guy but, soon as he got killed u was the 1st outta L.A
@@Jac735 he also admitted to help push the west coast east coast beef myth (yes it was a myth it was a marketing ploy)
I don't think he killed Biggie but he definitely profited off of biggie's death , I think his success after biggie's death is why no one pointing this out publicly until the last few years once bad boy started losing their clout
1: Diddy/Biggie’s 🪦 ⚰️
2:Diddy
3:Diddy ♾
🤣🤣🤣
Growth stunt #1. Puffy is a businessman . He's going to do what's best for P.Diddy and his brand. Puff going to put himself in front of everybody. He don't care about friendships, feelings, morals, and treating his artist fairly. Stunt#2. I felt he never got a great rap or R&B artist in the 2000's to keep creating hits. All his great rap or R&B artist was signed in da 90's.
Exactly.
Facts
Real talk
He had Danity Kane for a minute, but he purposely sabotaged them when they were in their peak
@@NinaBell826 Danity Kane was a streaking comet when I reflect on their legacy
The only business it seems Puff knows is screwing artists, especially the Black artists.
It's interesting that neither French Montana or MGK have anything bad to say about Diddy as apparently they didn't get screwed over yet.
@@shauncameron8390 that we know of.
@@shauncameron8390 add Janelle Monae to that list.
DO A STUNTED GROWTH ON PETEY PABLO IM NOT GONNA REQUEST IT AGAIN BOMBO CLAWT
1. Sean Combs
2. Puff Daddy
3. P. Diddy
Fact's 💯🙌🏿
Don't Forget "Poppa Diddy Pop" Too! 😂
@@tamaranickeejones6253 😭
@@steviecritiquenewby7874 🤣
Great video. I saw you uploaded last night but I wanted to watch it today to really digest everything you're saying. Keep up the good work. 👏
Also can you please do one on Vic Mensa and Chance The Rapper
I'm with you on the Vic Mensa vid
The key phrase is LEGAL BUSINESS. Diddy got his bag. Its not his fault his artists lack business acumen.
Big didn't bring Mase to Puff and Bad Boy though. Puff found him in Atlanta when he was trying to audition for Jermaine Dupri. He wanted to sign with So So Def but Puff seen him first and had him audition and signed him.
U gotta do the fall of Roc a fella. I know roc nation still got a foot in the game obviously & thrives but I’m talking about the original.
Awesome video as always !!!
Stunted growth suggestions:
Slick Rick
The DOC
No Limit Records
Wale
Webbie
Kevin Gates
Ski Mask The Slump God
A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie
Denzel Curry
Definitely No Limit Records. Here is my theory:
1. Lawsuits
2. Invested in too many artists
3. C-Murder locked up
Thanks much for this video.
You should do Waka Flocka flame and 1017 brick squad 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
He didn't fake being a preacher. He really fw god. so disrespectful dude. plus he was still getting publishing for writting diddy verses. he got richer after leaving the satanic industry and like he said, he can GO AND COME AS HE PLEASES‼️ Who else can do that?
That's wrong Mace was known to sleep with women who were involved during his first bad boy run and one of them was a big time drug dealer who put a hit out on him, so he "found god"
So the man didn't come after him (even on the streets it's not a good look to kill a preacher in America)and after that man passed mace went back to the bad boy mace
All in the videos dancing
Come to Death row..lol
Since we on the topic of Bad Boy do Young Joc
1 name and reason
sean "puff daddy diddy" combs
Shoutout
B.I.G.🕊
L.O.X.😤
Mase😤
Craig Mack🕊
Black Rob🕊
G Dep hold ya head💪
A lot of you may not know this, but Diddy was VERY jealous of his artists! He, himself was also signed as an artist to his own label. So when he wasn’t selling or putting out hits like his counterparts, he started being shady! I noticed this with Danity Kane!! He potentially had one of the biggest selling girl groups of all time, they are still in the Guinness Book of World Records as the only female girl group to debut #1 consecutively on Billboard Hot 200! Diddy put an album out around the time of Danity Kane’s release and THATS when you start to notice the RUDE, MEAN, and HURTFUL comments! That’s when you noticed the girls starting to speak up due to them knowing their value! Especially Aubrey!! He couldn’t take the fact that they were going to be bigger than him and that label, so he fired them! He’s a narcissist!
I read he actually gave him tge name Diddy as a way to diss or make fun of him cause of his ways but puff never caught on to it
Jody Breeze next or I’ll comment every video with this
Great video. Since we are talking about labels how about No Limit?
No Limit, Cash Money, and Hypnotize Minds
Good Suggestion Bro …….. 🎤
Diddy...i haven't watchd the vid yet, still at 0:03 and I'm saying its all Diddy's fault
The outro theme sounds like a late 90's Pete Rock beat. Good stuff.
Dope video bro
You should do The Firm
I legitimately liked Loon and Cheri Dennis.
Producers turned artists who "own" their record companies always outshine the artists when they get a taste of the spotlight.
Right Quincy Jones tried that with Michael Jackson after his death and Michael's fans called him out and he retracted everything he said
Compare that to Michael who said nothing but nice things about Quincy even after they stopped working together
Do DAS EFX next.........(Great video, 100% facts)
How can it honestly be called “business” if it’s not fair/one sided 🤔
Capitalism to a t
That was a very interesting video.
Puffy`s mom said in a interview that when Puffy was young she lied to Puffy about his father dying, because she was afraid he might have negative influence on him. I guess cause Puffy`s pops was a big time gangster.
Oracle 2 was a good one
You should do one for aftermath records, so many talents such as Rakim,stat quo,cashis,the game, raekwon,busta rhymes,Eve and hittman all signing on there but couldn't drop a single album except busta who dropped one.
Please please please. Do it mate
Some artist became financially well off on Aftermath . None on Bad Boy .
I was at the concert when he performed the Oracle 2 🔥
Bad boy records had so many growth stunts JC had to do the whole label 😂😂
Do Lady of Rage next
Great suggestion
Do a Ruff Ryders stunted growth
Young Dro Next Please!!!
That word "legal" cracks me up... slavery was "legal" at one point.. just cause it's permissible doesn't mean it's right smh.. great video.. puffy wanted the limelight way too much for himself.. these dudes literally made him a star by writing entire albums and he can't look out financially for those same artists? Where's that at in the contract? He owes them more than that...
Nobody on Bad Boy ever got past 3 albums. Do no limit next
Especially while alive and career uninterrupted.
Do a Documentary On EL-P's Label Def Jux and Hopsin's label Funk Volume
Sean
Puffy
Diddy
you should do Raekwon of wu tang next think that would be really dope
Would be dope but unfortunately wu tang was like the streets hood hits so probably not but I would agree
Diddy ruined Bad Boy Period
Can you a video on why Bone thugs n harmony isn't respected in the industry?
Shyne Po is a politician not a preacher man
G dep
shyne
loon
black rob
mark curry
da band
mase
day 26
all of them didnt reach full potential on bad boy
Facts 💯🙌🏿
Don’t forget what willie of day 26 said too
French Montana claimed he’s the only artist on bad boy who owned 100% of his masters #Str8Cap
Diddy is finessing him too
That's why he did the joint venture with MMG
Imagine if DMX And 50 Cent were signed to Bad Boy
Would like to see you do Vic Mensa
Can you do one on Blackground Records?
If you’re a fan of the Netflix series “Top Boy” and the character, Dushane (real name Ashley Walters), then pls do a stunted growth of So Solid Crew.
So Solid Crew is the UK supergroup which he was part of, back in the late 90s/early 2000’s, under the name Asher D.
Some members of the crew even beefed Dipset to the point Cam’ron got banned from performing in the UK to this day.
Dude is a dope actor and I didnt even realize he was a rapper until about a year ago and his bars were crazy. ill have to check out So Solid Crew
@@TheJrockfreak so solid crew were legendary. Asher D, Megaman, Harvey & Romeo were legendary. Same with Oxide and neutrino
Ms Dynamite and Goldie...I think they rolled with them too...I think Vin Diesel's indie movie debut " Strays" ...featured them and the Garage meets Gryme and Jungle UK music scene circa 1999/2000!
I think you should do the da brat
Another awesome video...! "Piddy" is a P.O.S
Can you please do one faith evans or Carl Thomas
Can you do a video on rapper big daddy kane?
How about Slick Rick?
Can you do Jodeci?
Released 1 album. While he was alive
Loon said puffy ain't do him bad lol
Loon is probably the only one because he handled his business.
Can u please dtp next 👀
We need to do for Paul wall
And Slim Thug.
Yung Joc would be a good one
Hell yeah....what has he done after that first album?? And wearing that dress was a sucka move...
@@jamesgibson3716 Facts!! had a fire intro in 06 that album was a good and put a stamp on the game. Then after we get coffee shop?? lol
MMG Records/The Fallen out between Meek Mill & Rick Ross
GOOD music/Pusha T, Big Sean & Kid Cudi leaving the label
The Old Bricksquad/The Fallen out between Gucci Mane & Waka Flocka Flame. OJ Da Juiceman & Waka Flocka could've been way bigger in the 2010's. Waka Flocka Flame could've still been at least relevant today.
Slim Dunkin would’ve been running the game in the mid 2010s 🙏🏾🕊
@@flygenyus2186 Agreed. Him & Waka couldn't miss. When Slim Dunkin died it seems like Waka career died right along with it including him & Gucci fell out it messed up his career imo.
@@kahjeemwilson9452 word i mean he did put out round of applause but after that it’s like he just said fuck rap & went to edm. I’m kinda surprised Waka never pushed Cartier kitty from that snakes in the grass song or his bro Frenchie
@@flygenyus2186 nah fr Waka Flocka had some dope rappers in his crew BSM. I guess they didn't get that proper push to get mainstream exposure on their own without Waka.
@@flygenyus2186 Flockaveli is hands down a classic. His second album was no where near as impactful or even great musically as his debut. His second one seemed too commercial & wasn't as raw & uncut as his first one.
You should cover Dizzy Wright
Do Casey Veggies next
Do Troy ave next.
BRUH
I never knew how Puff got his name🤦🏾😅
Just because you aren’t Suge Knight, doesn’t make you a good person…
Deep
Exactly. Diddy, Birdman, etc.
Reason 1 Diddy Reason 2 Diddy 3 DIDDY
Gotta do RocaFella Records
Biggie released one album alive... Life After Death was released a week after he died
I can't wait for Jaguar Wright to really expose p Diddy on Biggie's death!
Do vic mensa
Do suger hill record s