Vertical Dropouts, No Tensioner

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

Комментарии • 115

  • @goofytickpotatoflea
    @goofytickpotatoflea 6 лет назад +13

    Chain stretch. It’s never going to last long before your chain starts flopping off. Still very satisfying to get that gearing right and pop the wheel in place 😀

    • @ngaran2108
      @ngaran2108 2 года назад

      took 3 months (daily usage of 30km on a fixed route) then the chain become to slack...

  • @steveschoenborn8949
    @steveschoenborn8949 3 года назад +3

    A real single speed cog and a narrow wide ring with a 3/32 kmc drop buster chain have been great on my magic gear sscx. It’s slightly tight with a new chain and even after tons of miles and visible drooping, I never dump my chain. Poaching a cog from a used cassette is a recipe for dropped chains.

  • @gunarstreikals2099
    @gunarstreikals2099 6 лет назад +5

    Did something similar on old bike. Had 38t chainring at the front on 104bcd crank and 18t single speed cog at the back. As long I was running new chain, this setup was good. Maybe would have more luck with some narrow wide chainring at the front, but they didn't exist then anyway^^

  • @tommilano5431
    @tommilano5431 6 лет назад +4

    Liking your vlogs lately, been watching for about a year. My girlfriend loves dogs, and I love bikes, so it's the perfect combination! Norton looks like a bigger version of a dog I used to have a while ago, and I always see a blue Felt VR30 in your shop, which is the bike I own. Keep up the good work, your inspiring me to ride my bike in freezing temperatures!

  • @bosanderspublictheology
    @bosanderspublictheology 2 года назад

    OMG I have watched (I'm guessing) all of your videos in the last 2 years but I stumbled here from googling something else and I had never seen a video from this era. I loved sorta loved it.

  • @someguy9520
    @someguy9520 6 лет назад +4

    I mean yes, a tensioner doesn't look all that hawt, but i think its alright,plus you get really good chaintension.
    conerted my hardtail into a rigid singlespeed with 34t chainring 14t cog, 29er wheels and tires. Accelerates decently with28-30km/h speed on the flat with a comfy cadence

  • @RaivoDoc
    @RaivoDoc 6 лет назад +6

    Dude, finally someone did it, I've been downgrading(well, destroying really) my old mtb to a single speed. Searching online the pros, cons, and this guy actua- o shit, a chaindrop at the end... Ah nevermind.. Subbed.

  • @ianiscaratti4924
    @ianiscaratti4924 6 лет назад +12

    the best test is to spinn the backweel backwards and shake the bike with the driveside facing down.
    #trackbikelessons

  • @agenthoichi
    @agenthoichi 6 лет назад +5

    Tinkering is the best, I was able to run no tensioner on an old Scott road bike.

  • @GeekonaBike
    @GeekonaBike 4 года назад +3

    BMX freewheels or track cogs on a threaded hub Rock! Longer Teeth on the cog make a world of difference

  • @tomasbyers727
    @tomasbyers727 6 лет назад +20

    I do appreciate you ending each video with Norton

  • @robertwilcox494
    @robertwilcox494 6 лет назад +6

    Use a 1x wolf tooth ring the longer teeth more stop it dropping

  • @imdros1236
    @imdros1236 6 лет назад +3

    How about an excentric bottom bracket? (i know very expensive) Or a halflink chain.

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +1

      yeah those threaded eccentric bb's are wild expensive! I actually threw a new chain on and the lack of stretch made up for the slack. although a good single speed 3/32 chainring and cog would fix the chain drop issue forever even as the chain stretched

  • @broadfjord7087
    @broadfjord7087 6 лет назад

    I realize i came a little late to the party. Have you ever heard of people using another chainring as a tensioner? So you have the “chainring” and your “rear cog”. And then in between the two you place another chainring to use as a tensioner. I’ve seen pictures and read about it a few times, but haven’t heard any feedback as to its reliability? I think it’s supposed to stay wherever it’s situated within the chain? I’m really digging the channel, the content and the bike silliness! I also just really love bicycles and love doing stoopid things on bicycles. On a side note while i can appreciate you giving random frames new life and really enjoying them, I feel like you should have some more steel frames in your life ;). Speaking of steel frames, i purchased a steel sequoia 3 months ago and am over the moon about it(fuggin’ fun)! Anyhoo, thanks for doing what you do. I now have dreams of riding gravel and going on bike adventures in Nova Scotia. Like the wind!

  • @chair8540
    @chair8540 2 года назад

    what nobody tells you is the cogs on these single speed conversions sprockets are a lot taller ,i ran into that realization when i converted mine . didnt need a tensioner at all even tho its loose and hanging down a little. the chain just wont slip because of that. why it did on u is maybe u had a different type of chain than mine.

  • @F1n1337
    @F1n1337 6 лет назад +15

    But now you have the gear ratio of my grandma.

    • @curtoegrosso
      @curtoegrosso 5 лет назад +4

      But what pressure your grandma is running?

    • @Phyoomz
      @Phyoomz 5 лет назад +2

      your grandma's a bad ass

  • @BIKE_LLECI
    @BIKE_LLECI 6 лет назад +3

    Ayyyyye that unicorn gear 🦄

  • @CogginsBrian
    @CogginsBrian 4 года назад +4

    Would you ever think about using a ghost ring for tension. To convert you are dropouts into a fixed or single gear bike?

  • @PEBelarus
    @PEBelarus 6 лет назад +1

    Yeah, I agree with a few of the commentators below. The basic premise of steel chain is that it's going to stretch and this is exactly the point of having horizontal dropouts on track bikes. You make really cool videos but this was a purely romantic thought inevitably doomed for failure but for possibly a single ride.

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +2

      That’s very true, however it is still going strong with a new chain on!

    • @PEBelarus
      @PEBelarus 6 лет назад +1

      Spindatt, I kind of dream about those carbon belt drives myself. Absolutely solves the problem in your case, except of course for having to hack open and reweld or rebuild the rear triangle. Probably not all that likely with aluminum though...

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +2

      Haha probably not a very feasible way of converting to belt drive! Although I’ve got enough friends who are red seal fabricators/welders that if I had plans for a more permanent single speed setup I might be able to get some help with something like that.

    • @PEBelarus
      @PEBelarus 6 лет назад +1

      Spindatt I'm thinking it's the future and I am absolutely sure my jeans agree with me.

  • @demonstructie
    @demonstructie 6 лет назад

    I've had the same chain drop issues using a single cog from a cassette before. I did however have success using an old freewheel cassette, the screw on type. Old tech from before the teeth were optimized for improved shifting performance, it just wants to grab the chain and not drop it. If you have a dad bike that comes with a freewheel cassette, just try yanking off the derailleurs, shorten the chain and it might work without any issues!

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад

      I could see that working. The taller unramped teeth of older cogs would hold it on pretty solid!
      I’m actually thinking of throwing a derailleur back onto this thing for a little while, but plan to get a single speed chainring and cog for the next setup!

    • @demonstructie
      @demonstructie 6 лет назад

      Yeah it looks super haggard of course because you can't just use one cog, you have to leave on the whole block but since when is this about aesthetics? (I mean it definitely is, like at least 50% but it's all meta and ironic haha).
      This and the "super cheap gravel bike" video inspired me to finally do something with that old steel cyclo x frame I have. I was originally planning to do it up single speed with town bars but your videos changed changed my mind, I reckon I'd like to have gears with those sluggish knobbly tires. Interesting to see you apparently like it better as a single speed, especially as you're kinda stuck with a semi random unicorn gear ratio!

  • @coast2coast00
    @coast2coast00 6 лет назад +2

    First time I've thought about it, since I switched to a track cog on my winter MTB, I haven't thrown one chain (besides breaking a quick link).
    No way a half link would work with those ratios, it moves it too much.
    1 link is 1/2" half link 1/4" one tooth 1/8"
    I had to file some of my axle flat to give another 2mm or so adjustment.

  • @UltimateRT
    @UltimateRT 6 лет назад +6

    Oh boy! Exciting times!
    I knew that you'd drop your chain, cassette sprockets are made to throw the chain off (source: I did the same thing you did when I started to mess with unicorns). You have to get a Shimano DX sprocket ( costs the same as a great cup of coffee) or something similar that has long enough teeth to keep the chain on, I've been riding my unicorn with way looser chain than your 34x15 (edit: same as your 34x19) without problems for weeks. Also, maybe, probably... chainline ruclips.net/video/sFMa1EP7d2M/видео.html

  • @owenpreece4508
    @owenpreece4508 6 лет назад

    i have never owned or rode a single speed your videos are tempting me

    • @RadioSnivins
      @RadioSnivins 6 лет назад

      I made one as a Christmas holidays project to see what all the fuss 'n' hoopla was about, and it surprised me how much fun it is to ride.

    • @sicsempertyrannis9024
      @sicsempertyrannis9024 4 года назад

      Single speeds are awesome

  • @jackhume4532
    @jackhume4532 4 года назад

    Experimenting is what gave all us cyclists 🚵‍♀️ gears in the first place, however I now realise that I really do miss my single speed bike from when I was a little boy and when I have the money 💵 I will get my conversion kit for my old 26” Dawes mountain bike of which will then be a cruiser style bike with BMX handlebars then I will be really 😃.

  • @mastresonjecklehyde2977
    @mastresonjecklehyde2977 5 лет назад +3

    HalfLink Chains ALWAYZ Work For Me...

  • @baileydelelys2890
    @baileydelelys2890 2 года назад

    Can a half link chain help eat the chain slack?

  • @wittmannmichael777
    @wittmannmichael777 2 года назад

    Im building up a old rockhopper in to a diet cheep dj bike. I have no hanger or even a place too mount one so I need to make it without a chain tensioner wish me luck

  • @Phyoomz
    @Phyoomz 5 лет назад

    You don't lock up your wheels? Which beautiful and safe city is this?

  • @C0deH0wler
    @C0deH0wler 5 лет назад

    Looks like you have a modular dropout there.

  • @orlandogreer5035
    @orlandogreer5035 6 лет назад

    try using a narrow wide chainring maybe that will help

  • @ernieroach1361
    @ernieroach1361 2 года назад

    New chain with no stretch might be perfect. 🤷‍♂️

  • @josseroger7729
    @josseroger7729 6 лет назад +1

    Might be me, but isn't this a super spinny gear ratio? Cause I ride 48/17. Rode 15 before, but that was way to big.

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +1

      You are not wrong! Its actually a fun gear for tooling around in the city but for any real riding its garbage. I actually put a derailleur back on this bike

  • @peterliljebladh
    @peterliljebladh 6 лет назад

    What kind of numbers are we talking about when it comes to chain stretch from brand new to worn out? Depending on the number of links, how much movement would that result in up and down mid-chain?
    It might work for a single speed but a fixed gear would feel like a limping hippo.

  • @sarthalion
    @sarthalion 2 года назад

    Hi! What's the crankset is in this bike (in this video)? I've been looking for silver/metallic color crankset which does not use square taper bb.

  • @kuyagian
    @kuyagian 6 лет назад

    Yey! Norton made it to the vlog!

  • @lairdcreevy
    @lairdcreevy 4 года назад

    ...also I need a nut like you had there that connected the tensioner to the RD Hanger - what is it..? Thanx.

  • @brandonsaulphoto
    @brandonsaulphoto 3 года назад

    So I have a single speed with horizontal/breezer dropouts. I have the flip flop hub but when I flip it to fixed The chain is definitely too loose.. I'm very new to bike maintenance, what's the best way to make sure the chain is tight for these type of dropouts and fix gear?

    • @szewal
      @szewal 3 года назад +1

      If they are the ones that go straight back, with the opening at the end of the frame, all you need is to break the chain and put the wheel as far forwards in the dropout as possible and put the two ends of the chain together. Then you break off enough links so the chain is just long enough for proper tension, and connect it back together with a quick link.
      If you can't get proper tension, which is usually the case, you need to buy a chain tug like the surly tuggnut or use a half link chain which will give greater adjustability. And you never want to have your rear axle any further back than as far forwards as it can go unless if you have a chain tug like the tugnutt, or it'll slip when cranking hard

  • @janikafe1544
    @janikafe1544 6 лет назад +1

    genuine excitement when the 15 tooth worked, awesome homie!

  • @One_mole_worth
    @One_mole_worth 6 лет назад +1

    Spoke tensioner 🤷🏻‍♂️ could be fun

  • @scottatkins8381
    @scottatkins8381 6 лет назад

    Got my coffee mug!! ☕️

  • @virgiansearwina9603
    @virgiansearwina9603 4 года назад

    how about to change external multiple gear to fix gear with vertical dropout? it's still possible?

  • @mitmon_8538
    @mitmon_8538 6 лет назад +1

    Norton's tongue-out face always cracks me up.

  • @DimatiDJKL
    @DimatiDJKL 3 года назад

    Whats the chain discs sizes ?

  • @jordan5430
    @jordan5430 6 лет назад

    Quick question for you and a possible video for you to do before shop closes. I bought some new aero drop bars. However, I’m not an experienced mechanic and want to learn to cable route. Im good with indexing but not installing break/derailure cables internally through a bar. Any advice would be great!

  • @e30clew
    @e30clew 5 лет назад

    Are you capable of super-human cadence or why so short gearing?
    34x19 is under 2:1 and 34x15 is just above 2:1. I run 42x14 which is 3:1 and all the SS bikes I've built have been around 3:1.
    Isn't 2:1 very short or am I pedalling with a way too low cadence maybe? I do find it easier to push hard in low cadence rather than not pushing so hard at a high cadence, I know the latter is better for my knees but I like a long gear.
    Regarding magic gears, I find that its not viable in the long run. If its perfect with a new chain, its going to be way too loose when its a bit stretched out, so you need to be running used chains but in good condition all the time. I had it like this for over a year, but with the climate here in the winter and all the salt and dirt it picks up, the chains do not last very long. So I had the routine of putting a new chain on my Nexus geared cargo bike, used it for a bit (I noticed it does most of its stretching pretty fast) and then put the chain on the SS :D Got tired of it and changed dropouts on the bike in the end!

  • @danielduran2523
    @danielduran2523 4 года назад

    I need helpp, I've got an old "Dad bike" and the current gears (21speed), chain and shifters are shot, I wanna go Fixed or single speed (more preferable fixed) but my bikes got a vertical drop thing. Can I run a fixed or single gear? Would I need one of those tensioners? Also can I just remove 2 of the 3 front chain rings? Thanks in advance

  • @lairdcreevy
    @lairdcreevy 4 года назад

    What are you using for freehub spacers...PVC pipe..?

  • @clemshovel
    @clemshovel 6 лет назад +11

    Dude, put a true singlespeed cog to avoid chain drop ;)

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +4

      Hahah that’s totally opposed to my attempts at spending 0 dollars haha
      Although I may buy one of the wolf tooth ones... if they make a 15t some day

    • @angelomedi
      @angelomedi 6 лет назад

      im having these issues right now...I have a singlespeed cog already. But its not set up, the issues are with the nonsinglespeed cog i currently have. Do you think switching cog to a singlespeed one will solve the issue completely ? that way i will not have to get a tensioner .. ... . . . .

  • @owenpreece4508
    @owenpreece4508 6 лет назад

    Great video as normal

  • @camodudemtbh7594
    @camodudemtbh7594 6 лет назад

    Hey brother so will there be another shop or?? And i enjoy your vids bro.

  • @joerivera9106
    @joerivera9106 6 лет назад +1

    Spindatt , would you recommend fixed gear with vertical dropout?

    • @joerivera9106
      @joerivera9106 6 лет назад +1

      @Spindatt and no brakes??!

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +1

      Recommend? No. Would I try it. Yes. Yes I would.

    • @joerivera9106
      @joerivera9106 6 лет назад

      Spindatt , because i have a cannondale caad 4 r3000, and i believe it has vertical dropouts, its a road bike 🚲 and i want to make it fixed gear

    • @joerivera9106
      @joerivera9106 6 лет назад

      Spindatt, so would this be the same methods i want to do?

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +1

      Find a 130mm wide fixed gear hub and try to find a ratio that will yield adequate chain tension. Use this to help with that: eehouse.org/fixin/formfmu.php

  • @WhiteyKnuckles
    @WhiteyKnuckles 4 года назад +1

    Sometimes a halflink link will make it happen :)

    • @clarkjamesdigital
      @clarkjamesdigital 4 года назад +2

      This, a single half link. I have never had an issue with chain tension with vertical dropouts using half link chains, I go with whatever gear ratio I want and with the half link if the chain doesn’t go on with that ratio then drop down one tooth, if it’s loose go up, a half link and a single tooth difference is all you need for a tight chain

  • @brianlucero9536
    @brianlucero9536 4 года назад

    Is it possible to do the same with a fixie cog???

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  4 года назад

      if you get a hub with the correct spacing yes

  • @MannequinOngaku
    @MannequinOngaku 5 лет назад +1

    Is that Portland, OR?

  • @user-bf5rf4hs8v
    @user-bf5rf4hs8v Год назад

    It went together easily in less than an hour. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.

  • @nonoririko2056
    @nonoririko2056 6 лет назад

    If one could contact the site owner and get all the math problems they used for chain length it wouldn't be hard to stitch together an android app, if you make contact i'll code out the app.

    • @UltimateRT
      @UltimateRT 6 лет назад +1

      There's another less user friendly site I used to double check the chain length when choosing my unicorn gear www.machinehead-software.co.uk/bike/chain_length/chainlengthcalc.html they have the equation in there.

  • @brukup123
    @brukup123 6 лет назад

    I found this works, until the chain stretches a little bit, then it falls off all the time :(

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад

      Turns out others have had reallly good luck with a narrow wide and a proper 3/32 single speed cog from shimano or wolftooth. I’m considering that route for ultimate ridiculousness.

  • @danwilson4222
    @danwilson4222 6 лет назад

    Nice video

  • @walterhansen2973
    @walterhansen2973 6 лет назад +1

    I was curious about the hats I see you wearing... You make them yourself ? Are you going to be marketing them ?

    • @Albanez39
      @Albanez39 6 лет назад

      Nope, they're pretty popular in Europe. Those and the military berets...

  • @gabrielfernandez6853
    @gabrielfernandez6853 4 года назад

    cuantos dientes atras y cuantos dientes alante??

  • @isaacmendoza1990
    @isaacmendoza1990 5 лет назад +1

    dam thank bro

  • @racefaceec90
    @racefaceec90 6 лет назад

    what is a unicorn gear ?

    • @Hazeder422
      @Hazeder422 5 лет назад

      racefaceec90 a gear set up where no chain tensioner is needed but the chain tension is perfect

  • @bobbydixon4484
    @bobbydixon4484 5 лет назад

    this guy is dustin klein

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  5 лет назад

      East coast Canada version

  • @markpowers349
    @markpowers349 5 лет назад

    Why do this to yourself?

  • @suryaraju2827
    @suryaraju2827 6 лет назад

    🦄

  • @bfranco1519
    @bfranco1519 4 года назад +3

    Or..just leave the tensioner on and save yourself the hassle

  • @gabrielfernandez6853
    @gabrielfernandez6853 4 года назад

    relation?

  • @wanderingsailor5503
    @wanderingsailor5503 5 лет назад

    Why not just shorten the chain?

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  5 лет назад

      One more link would have been too short. This is easily fixed with proper single speed cogs

    • @wanderingsailor5503
      @wanderingsailor5503 5 лет назад

      @@Spindatt Ahh, gotcha.

    • @cesarsoto852
      @cesarsoto852 4 года назад

      Get a half link chain and you can shorten

  • @dervonnebenan8232
    @dervonnebenan8232 6 лет назад

    noice

  • @wismar3630
    @wismar3630 2 года назад

    43:19

  • @shkelzenmetaliaj4583
    @shkelzenmetaliaj4583 6 лет назад

    I have 52×13 i'm loking for 56×11

  • @handlebaraddict
    @handlebaraddict 6 лет назад

    you are too hipster. grab a 50 lb freeride bike from 2006 and huck to flat!?!!!

  • @colingreig1355
    @colingreig1355 6 лет назад

    First

    • @Spindatt
      @Spindatt  6 лет назад +1

      You win the prize

  • @markbradley9008
    @markbradley9008 5 лет назад

    The lack of racism in this video was very disappointing. Unsubscribed

  • @bellavia5
    @bellavia5 5 лет назад

    Your bloody chainwheel is too small. A larger one will create more tension on the chain. Millenials.