It is already very old. Ukraine is badly losing to Russia. And we Americans leaving Ukraine soon. Who wants to support Banderas who wanted to remake Russians in the former Ukraine into svidomyh Ukrainians.
Thank you Jonathan, a great follow-up to Anna's interview. From the on the ground reporting to addressing the formal resolutions to the genocide known as Russia's WAR on Ukraine. Putin and his compatriots need to be treated harshly and without compassion. Not inhumanely but in the strict manner a petulant child is allowed to behave into adulthood and their behavior is ingrained. Reforming this behavior, a grandiose narcissistic paranoia is questionable at best, formulating a proper response needs to be demonstrative and punitive.
One of the most interesting guests to hear, you do a great job of finding and talking to a very broad spectrum of relevant and engaging experts. Thank you for what you are doing.
Very important topic and interview. At the individual level it is hard to imagine that justice in any meaningful sense can be done. The crimes are just too heinous. The most important point though is that is that Ukraine is transforming into a modern western state where rule of law and separation of powers underline the freedoms of individual citizens. For us sitting in our safe European homes we have to understand that what Ukrainians are fighting for are all too easily taken for granted. The rights and values they are fighting for are also under threat in the so called established western liberal democracies.
This is total war in a way that has not been seen since 1945. Ukraine's women on the domestic front are every bit as heroic as the men in fighting these battles for international justice.
A wonderfully optimistic interview, even though the work of bringing these people to justice will be long and hard. I'm also impressed by her ability to immediately respond to your questions in a clear and knowledgeable way.
As I was told by my parents, grandparents and their contemporaries, this was a standard modus operandi of the heroic Red army during "liberation" of eastern and central Europe in '44 and '45.
One problem will come in the future when Russian-side negotiators argue for referendums as a means for deciding that some areas of Ukraine should belong to Russia. Ukrainian-side negotiators need to prepare counter-arguments that invalidate referendums in areas where Russian population-engineers have been working to exile Ukrainian people and replace them with people brought in from Russia. Fore-warned is fore-armed… as the saying goes.
I truly believe that international justice should be pursued to the last crime in relation to this violation. Perhaps in many of these cases we may only be able to get justice of the kinetic variety. Tragic situation.
This baba is lying about Russian "war crimes". She forgot to mention that the arrest warrant was issued in Haage to Putin and Belova only for "DEPORTATION of Ukrainian CHILDREN to Russia". 🙂🙂 Or yes children of Donetsk and Lugansk went to the best Russian/International children camps like Artec in Russian Crimea. 🤣🤣 Do not lie to us Americans. No more money.
To understand a sheer scale of Muscovite atrocities in Ukraine, over 68 thousand criminal cases have been started in Ukraine against Muscovite war criminals since 2022, which is 10(!) times more than the number of German war criminals ever convicted since 1945.
If they are unable to get the accused to court, I would contribute to a ‘Wrath of God’ operation for Ukraine to find and dispose of the guilty, no trail needed, frankly. Some people just need not exist.
I will take that as not being literal. Punitive Justice Systems require the power to enforce a punishment. Ukraine will not receive justice or “ something that looks like justice” in this type of system until that condition is met. Therefore Ukraine must win
Celebrity and Size make for difficult criminal Justice. Russia is not too big to fail; shrink them and make them work to rejoin humanity. As a giant power it failed its commission. Making celebrities pay for crimes takes persistence, so I can understand extrajudicial actions. What does it do to the executioners souls, idk.
@@lsees5753 the executioners’ souls, good question. I wonder how it felt for the Israelis who snatched or assassinated those Nazis in the wind? Personally, having never killed or even really harmed anyone, I would expect to feel relief by the ending of these guys’ lives. When I was growing up, the rhetorical question was, would you kill Hitler? Well, in Russia, you have thousands of Hitlers. The culture cultivates them. I think I’d feel guiltier killing a rat, mouse or gopher.
@@geoffsimpkins7650 that’s what I’d think too, relief at elimination, and triumph but I wasn’t sure. I once saw a Jewish woman interview one of the nazis they were seeking. She was looking for remorse, she didn’t see it. What I saw was the decrepit old man with really long, dirty fingernails, digging them into his equally old wife’s wrist. They both were smiling. I’ve never forgotten that sight, but have forgotten the German’s name.
As much as I would like to see Russian criminals at court, there is no way to force Russia to extradite them. It is not 1945 when Allies occupying Germany and Japan could make Nurnberg and Tokyo trials.
Basically though, if Ruzzia does not do this it means they cannot ever be re admitted to the global economic system. They will be pariahs and outcasts until they face their crimes and make some amends. Putin has done terrible damage to Ukraine but Ukraine has friends and love to help it recover and rebuild. Ruzzia has none of this and is being dragged down into some pit of hell by its leader. Soon it will be North Korea mark 2.
Muscovy will inevitably collapse sooner or later and then succeeding countries will cooperate the same way as in former Yugoslavia where Serbia extradited its war criminals.
Hey Silicon Curtain. (Do I call you Sili?) I think it may have been one of your interviews last year in which a Ukranian woman talked about growing up in Crimea and the soft Russian influence there. Any chance you could point me to that video?
I hope you guys find perfect Ukrainian spots for R&R, can revitalize, rest, put some weight back on, shed a few wrinkles, Listen To Me, This is Your Mother Speaking…
You forgot to add this important video on this guest, one of the authors of that June 2023 chatham house report, to your playlist named Academics, Researchers and NGOs. Please add it there, and also add other recent videos with some others of the report's writers, Simon Smith and John Lough. It's important that you eventually add up the recent and future interview videos with all ten authors of that chatham house report to that same playlist! Actually a bonus request. Why don't you eventually put up all video interviews with all ten of that report's writers (when they're all uploaded) into a separate, new playlist called "Chatham House" something? It's so that we can browse straight to and clearly focus on that think tank's guests.
Apologies Jonathan the other party turned into a Lemon in the follow up not worthy of your time tbh . I don't mean to waste your time I thought I saw potential but was wrong on my end . Please Forgive 🙏@@SiliconCurtain
A truly informative interview of one of the most devastating results of this war by Russians who obviously have very little moral core; who have been led through propaganda and lack of education, to see Ukrainians as less than human in so many circumstances; who have tortured Ukrainian civilians and soldiers. This is a subject that troubles me deeply and I wonder why more indictments have not come forth from The Hague Court over war crimes, and from other justice oriented systems described by your guest? Can you comment on why we have not seen more charges? These crimes should become common knowledge so that countries that support or supply Russia in any way, can be considered complicit in these crimes. Any country or leader that fails to condemn the war and Putin for these atrocities should be also condemned as complicit by ignoring the facts.
After WW11 the Allies conducted the Nuremberg trials and many German war criminals were executed. Is there a possibility for a similar outcome once Russia is defeated? Many of the horrors outlined in this conversation would warrant the death penalty in my opinion.
@@SiliconCurtain Sadly, I think you are exactly right, Jonathan. The only way war crimes will be prosecuted, and reparations paid is if Russia surrenders unconditionally. That won't happen, I'm afraid. The very first requirement Russia will insist on in any negotiated settlement will be the forgiveness of any and all alleged war crimes and the refusal to pay reparations. There will be enormous pressure brought to bear on Ukraine to accept these terms "in the name of peace." All of Ms. Bosul's efforts along with those of her colleagues will be for naught.
Remember the stellar work done by the Mossad over the years. I suspect the Ukrainian intelligence services will studying their techniques and accomplishments.
@@SiliconCurtain A you tube vid about the tap dancer Eleanor Powell, in films of the wwii era and thereabouts. She Danced in one movie with Fred Astaire. The narrator sounded like you, certain cadences, accent and delivery to my ear.🤷🏼♀️
I hope that the healers, monitors, soldiers, folks like you and your guests are able to recharge as well during the rebuilding. I see you guys getting thinner as the months go on. You’re vital in the fight against these evils, so necessary to make the future look attractive let alone salvageable. God bless you, keep you safe
See Keir Giles comments that to an extent those same resentments already exist in Russia. Stoked by vicious propaganda. But what are we to do - let Russia get away with its crimes?
@@SiliconCurtain The short and qualified answer is yes. The point is not to punish but if possible to transform Russia to the benefit of all, including Russians. The current Russian leadership and elite have to pay a price, but not the population as as a whole.
Well Sth Africa is a friend of Russia so it's no surprise you'd be pleading for them. All Russians are guilty and they'll pay one way or another and as for the friends of Russia, they'll pay too, we won't forget whose side you were on.
Without repentance there can be no pardon. The people share the responsibility of their leaders because they did nothing to help or stop this. The only good Russians are outside the country or members of the saboteur groups.
@@carolwilliams8511 Exactly, this is what I meant when I said _'All Russians are guilty'_ because of their inherited soviet nuclear weapons there is no question of Russia being overthrown by foreign forces, Russians must do it themselves its all up to them, there cannot even be foreign assistance as this might provoke terrible consequences.
I am in Awe! Kateryna Busol is such a brilliant and knowledgeable young lady. I am not a big fan of listening to lawyers' discussions but she had me hooked the entire time. Kateryna gives me hope for Ukraine and for future generations in general. The world needs more young people like her. Thank you Jonathan Fink for the magnificent interview. You always ask all the right questions and I can only imagine how much research you had to prepare for this one. You're doing a fantastic and necessary work!
Today a Ukrainian who is a prisoner of war, is being tortured. His fingers are being chopped off. ⚔🔴⛏ I appeal to someone reading this to start an investigation on the removal of 🟡🔵✈⏰POW...Ukrainian organs and selling on black market.📲🖥🎤🎧🪖🗣👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👣👣👣👣👣👣👣
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Her accent is fascinating. Such a curious mixture of British and Ukrainian.
And so fluent. Admirable.
Stella work 🙌
I say Katerina Busal be put in charge of cleaning up the judicial branch of the Ukrainians people.
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Thank you Johnathan for another great guest and and interview, Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 🇬🇧
…Thanks Johnathan…another great guest with great insight and knowledge…Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine…..💙💛💙
It is already very old. Ukraine is badly losing to Russia. And we Americans leaving Ukraine soon. Who wants to support Banderas who wanted to remake Russians in the former Ukraine into svidomyh Ukrainians.
Thank you Jonathan, a great follow-up to Anna's interview. From the on the ground reporting to addressing the formal resolutions to the genocide known as Russia's WAR on Ukraine. Putin and his compatriots need to be treated harshly and without compassion. Not inhumanely but in the strict manner a petulant child is allowed to behave into adulthood and their behavior is ingrained. Reforming this behavior, a grandiose narcissistic paranoia is questionable at best, formulating a proper response needs to be demonstrative and punitive.
Creature with whom you are going to behave harshly, let's try the Mole to open everything, you will be in hell
One of the most interesting guests to hear, you do a great job of finding and talking to a very broad spectrum of relevant and engaging experts. Thank you for what you are doing.
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War criminals to be brought to justice and repration to be paid in full for all Ukrainian lives lost and property damage
I do hope this can happen.
Thank you Jonathan for these discussions on “all” aspects of this aggression.
Very important topic and interview. At the individual level it is hard to imagine that justice in any meaningful sense can be done. The crimes are just too heinous. The most important point though is that is that Ukraine is transforming into a modern western state where rule of law and separation of powers underline the freedoms of individual citizens. For us sitting in our safe European homes we have to understand that what Ukrainians are fighting for are all too easily taken for granted. The rights and values they are fighting for are also under threat in the so called established western liberal democracies.
...and a democracy by its nature will involve continuous chaotic debate and requires a lot of healthy energy to maintain.
Good job Johnathan keep up the good work the world needs to know.
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This is total war in a way that has not been seen since 1945. Ukraine's women on the domestic front are every bit as heroic as the men in fighting these battles for international justice.
Totally. What a pity it takes something as horrible as war to open people's eyes to what is really important in life.
Great guest tough subject that is not in the western media enough. 💙💛
Western media fails us so often, concentrating on a lot of trivia like celebrity news 😕😴
Great to know
Great interview
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
Your guests are always so intelligent and eloquent. You do a great job choosing who to invite. 👏
A wonderfully optimistic interview, even though the work of bringing these people to justice will be long and hard. I'm also impressed by her ability to immediately respond to your questions in a clear and knowledgeable way.
As I was told by my parents, grandparents and their contemporaries, this was a standard modus operandi of the heroic Red army during "liberation" of eastern and central Europe in '44 and '45.
Same old Russia.
Same old Muscovy invading old Russia, which is historical name of Ukraine.
💛💙💜💙💛 I'm learning so much!
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One problem will come in the future when Russian-side negotiators argue for referendums as a means for deciding that some areas of Ukraine should belong to Russia. Ukrainian-side negotiators need to prepare counter-arguments that invalidate referendums in areas where Russian population-engineers have been working to exile Ukrainian people and replace them with people brought in from Russia. Fore-warned is fore-armed… as the saying goes.
I truly believe that international justice should be pursued to the last crime in relation to this violation. Perhaps in many of these cases we may only be able to get justice of the kinetic variety.
Tragic situation.
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She is very knowledgeable. This is one of your great interviews. Simply put, she really knows her stuff.
👍👍👍 she is rather impressive and inspiring
There is a Guardian Angel for everyone you Know!!! Glory to UKRAINE ,your doing a Great Job and will WIN !!!!
Another satisfying interview, thank you for them.
Thanks Much !....... yeah
I wish her all the best of luck.
This baba is lying about Russian "war crimes". She forgot to mention that the arrest warrant was issued in Haage to Putin and Belova only for "DEPORTATION of Ukrainian CHILDREN to Russia". 🙂🙂 Or yes children of Donetsk and Lugansk went to the best Russian/International children camps like Artec in Russian Crimea. 🤣🤣 Do not lie to us Americans. No more money.
Very interesting.
Well done. Keep kicking ass and taking names.
To understand a sheer scale of Muscovite atrocities in Ukraine, over 68 thousand criminal cases have been started in Ukraine against Muscovite war criminals since 2022, which is 10(!) times more than the number of German war criminals ever convicted since 1945.
The scale of atrocities is mind blowing and horrifying. It also gets too little coverage in the press.
If they are unable to get the accused to court, I would contribute to a ‘Wrath of God’ operation for Ukraine to find and dispose of the guilty, no trail needed, frankly. Some people just need not exist.
I will take that as not being literal. Punitive Justice Systems require the power to enforce a punishment. Ukraine will not receive justice or “ something that looks like justice” in this type of system until that condition is met. Therefore Ukraine must win
@@deanejoyce5393 are you familiar with Israel’s Wrath of God reprisals?
Celebrity and Size make for difficult criminal Justice. Russia is not too big to fail; shrink them and make them work to rejoin humanity. As a giant power it failed its commission. Making celebrities pay for crimes takes persistence, so I can understand extrajudicial actions. What does it do to the executioners souls, idk.
@@lsees5753 the executioners’ souls, good question. I wonder how it felt for the Israelis who snatched or assassinated those Nazis in the wind? Personally, having never killed or even really harmed anyone, I would expect to feel relief by the ending of these guys’ lives. When I was growing up, the rhetorical question was, would you kill Hitler? Well, in Russia, you have thousands of Hitlers. The culture cultivates them. I think I’d feel guiltier killing a rat, mouse or gopher.
@@geoffsimpkins7650 that’s what I’d think too, relief at elimination, and triumph but I wasn’t sure. I once saw a Jewish woman interview one of the nazis they were seeking. She was looking for remorse, she didn’t see it. What I saw was the decrepit old man with really long, dirty fingernails, digging them into his equally old wife’s wrist. They both were smiling. I’ve never forgotten that sight, but have forgotten the German’s name.
As much as I would like to see Russian criminals at court, there is no way to force Russia to extradite them. It is not 1945 when Allies occupying Germany and Japan could make Nurnberg and Tokyo trials.
Unfortunately so.
Basically though, if Ruzzia does not do this it means they cannot ever be re admitted to the global economic system. They will be pariahs and outcasts until they face their crimes and make some amends. Putin has done terrible damage to Ukraine but Ukraine has friends and love to help it recover and rebuild. Ruzzia has none of this and is being dragged down into some pit of hell by its leader. Soon it will be North Korea mark 2.
If there is a pro-justice regime change we may see these war criminals being handed over.
Muscovy will inevitably collapse sooner or later and then succeeding countries will cooperate the same way as in former Yugoslavia where Serbia extradited its war criminals.
Devils dressed in clerical garb are still devils.
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Hey Silicon Curtain. (Do I call you Sili?)
I think it may have been one of your interviews last year in which a Ukranian woman talked about growing up in Crimea and the soft Russian influence there. Any chance you could point me to that video?
Call me Jon. I’ll have to remember which video this was… can’t quite recall which one?!
@@SiliconCurtainMy middle son is called Jonathon. All his friends call him Jon. We, his family, never do.
I hope you guys find perfect Ukrainian spots for R&R, can revitalize, rest, put some weight back on, shed a few wrinkles, Listen To Me, This is Your Mother Speaking…
You forgot to add this important video on this guest, one of the authors of that June 2023 chatham house report, to your playlist named Academics, Researchers and NGOs.
Please add it there, and also add other recent videos with some others of the report's writers, Simon Smith and John Lough.
It's important that you eventually add up the recent and future interview videos with all ten authors of that chatham house report to that same playlist!
Actually a bonus request. Why don't you eventually put up all video interviews with all ten of that report's writers (when they're all uploaded) into a separate, new playlist called "Chatham House" something? It's so that we can browse straight to and clearly focus on that think tank's guests.
Jonathan you interested in a interview with a geopolitics channel by any chance ?
Sure - which one?
Apologies Jonathan the other party turned into a Lemon in the follow up not worthy of your time tbh .
I don't mean to waste your time I thought I saw potential but was wrong on my end .
Please Forgive 🙏@@SiliconCurtain
That’s ok! No time wasted.
A truly informative interview of one of the most devastating results of this war by Russians who obviously have very little moral core; who have been led through propaganda and lack of education, to see Ukrainians as less than human in so many circumstances; who have tortured Ukrainian civilians and soldiers. This is a subject that troubles me deeply and I wonder why more indictments have not come forth from The Hague Court over war crimes, and from other justice oriented systems described by your guest? Can you comment on why we have not seen more charges? These crimes should become common knowledge so that countries that support or supply Russia in any way, can be considered complicit in these crimes. Any country or leader that fails to condemn the war and Putin for these atrocities should be also condemned as complicit by ignoring the facts.
Jonathan: the audio quality from your mic is not as good as it used to be
This is because I was on holiday, but had to keep recording. Normal service will be resumed next week!
I was under the impression that Igor Girkin was convicted, in absentia, of the murder of the 298 victims on Malaysian flight MH17....
Yes, I think he was. But I’m sure numerous other crimes can be laid at his door…
why isnt she in uniform in the field?
After WW11 the Allies conducted the Nuremberg trials and many German war criminals were executed. Is there a possibility for a similar outcome once Russia is defeated? Many of the horrors outlined in this conversation would warrant the death penalty in my opinion.
Unfortunately there seems to be little chance this will happen and most Russian war criminals are unlikely to come to justice.
@@SiliconCurtain Sadly, I think you are exactly right, Jonathan. The only way war crimes will be prosecuted, and reparations paid is if Russia surrenders unconditionally. That won't happen, I'm afraid. The very first requirement Russia will insist on in any negotiated settlement will be the forgiveness of any and all alleged war crimes and the refusal to pay reparations. There will be enormous pressure brought to bear on Ukraine to accept these terms "in the name of peace." All of Ms. Bosul's efforts along with those of her colleagues will be for naught.
Remember the stellar work done by the Mossad over the years. I suspect the Ukrainian intelligence services will studying their techniques and accomplishments.
An Aside - Jonathan, is that your voice on Age of Vintage, Eleanor Powell?
? Er, no - what’s that?!
@@SiliconCurtain A you tube vid about the tap dancer Eleanor Powell, in films of the wwii era and thereabouts. She Danced in one movie with Fred Astaire. The narrator sounded like you, certain cadences, accent and delivery to my ear.🤷🏼♀️
I hope that the healers, monitors, soldiers, folks like you and your guests are able to recharge as well during the rebuilding. I see you guys getting thinner as the months go on. You’re vital in the fight against these evils, so necessary to make the future look attractive let alone salvageable. God bless you, keep you safe
Hallo from South Africa. I take the view that demanding serious restitution might lead to the same type of circumstances as after the WW1 amnesty
See Keir Giles comments that to an extent those same resentments already exist in Russia. Stoked by vicious propaganda. But what are we to do - let Russia get away with its crimes?
@@SiliconCurtain The short and qualified answer is yes. The point is not to punish but if possible to transform Russia to the benefit of all, including Russians. The current Russian leadership and elite have to pay a price, but not the population as as a whole.
Well Sth Africa is a friend of Russia so it's no surprise you'd be pleading for them.
All Russians are guilty and they'll pay one way or another and as for the friends of Russia, they'll pay too, we won't forget whose side you were on.
Without repentance there can be no pardon. The people share the responsibility of their leaders because they did nothing to help or stop this. The only good Russians are outside the country or members of the saboteur groups.
@@carolwilliams8511 Exactly, this is what I meant when I said _'All Russians are guilty'_ because of their inherited soviet nuclear weapons there is no question of Russia being overthrown by foreign forces, Russians must do it themselves its all up to them, there cannot even be foreign assistance as this might provoke terrible consequences.
I am in Awe!
Kateryna Busol is such a brilliant and knowledgeable young lady. I am not a big fan of listening to lawyers' discussions but she had me hooked the entire time. Kateryna gives me hope for Ukraine and for future generations in general. The world needs more young people like her.
Thank you Jonathan Fink for the magnificent interview. You always ask all the right questions and I can only imagine how much research you had to prepare for this one. You're doing a fantastic and necessary work!
Kateryna is absolutely inspiring, and I feel fortunate to have the chance to bring such an important topic to the channel.
Today a Ukrainian who is a prisoner of war, is being tortured. His fingers are being chopped off. ⚔🔴⛏
I appeal to someone reading this to start an investigation on the removal of 🟡🔵✈⏰POW...Ukrainian
organs and selling on black market.📲🖥🎤🎧🪖🗣👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👤👣👣👣👣👣👣👣