Got to say she says it like it is ,the whole world needs people like her stand up for what you believe has courage, Kiev was there long before moscow. Glory to brave Ukraine
I’ve been listening to some Ukrainian popular music and its seems to me that we are witnessing a Ukrainian cultural (in this case musical) explosion. I think that Ukraine will look back at this period of struggle for freedom for centuries to come as a foundational cultural period. Its extraordinary to witness. Slava Ukraini!
I totally agree. As a 'metalhead' I was surprised that some of my favorite bands are from Ukraine. Only after start of war I realized, what it's all about.
@@alexanderlehner1849 i never listened to metal until i had an extreme situation overwhelm me and randomly heard exactly what i was experiencing expressed in music. I could scream. finally! It's cathartic and it might have saved my life. Definitely saved my sanity. I hear that same catharsis in Ukrainian music. Thanks for sharing 💜
Hopefully it's not just for music. My brother and I took our daughters to see a Ukrainian animated film called Mavka earlier this year. It was based on Slavic myth and they thoroughly enjoyed it. So I hope they make more like it. (I believe it's on most streaming services now) The same mob also does historical dramas, some of which look interesting and hopefully have English subtitles. Hopefully the focus on Ukraine and the popularity of the witcher will start bringing more eastern European mythology into western fantasy. Also there is more than just music that comes out of Ukraine. Games too. Frogwares, the guys who made the Lovecraftian game the sinking city and also make Sherlock Holmes games are based in Kyiv. Their most recent game actually got delayed due to power outages.
@@pierresaelen3097 This could take an interesting turn on the whole discussion here ;) I'd guess one of famous bands is 'Jinjer'. Mix of clean and growling vocals of a female lead singer with weird dynamics.
@@SiliconCurtain "Her writings have been translated into English, Swedish, Polish, German, Hebrew, French, Spanish, Romanian, Chinese, Viethnamiese, Czech and Greek." I just ordered her children's book "Cappy and the Whale" in English (I love children's books) Thank you so much for 'introducing' us to Kateryna 💙💛
wow! Kateryna, u speak wonderfully and beautifuly in English actually and it's very impressive usage actually! really impressed w/ you and want to read your books, etc
Russians are perfectly capable of dehumanizing themselves. Actually, they are eager to do so. What we say or don't say about them doesn't change that fact one iota.
Unfortunately this seems to peel out as a fact. Unbelievable as it might seem to us (with our 'strange human right stuff'='rotting west'). Herein lies the danger of Russkyi Mir.
ĴF this was a brilliant interview this lady is remarkabl🎉in how she describe the essence of evil that is russia in a era of of comfort in the west we are in denial about true evil ,well done.
Look if the Obama administration and Angela Merkel had stood up to Putin in 2014 this catastrophe in Ukraine 🇺🇦 wouldn’t have happened. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Exactly. When Merkel shut down the nuclear power plants and supported Nordstream2, the only thing I thought was "why shut them down, why make ourselves depending on RU gas, and what the hell has Ukraine to do with it?" Now I understand. Stupid me, but sorry Angie and Obama - you should've known better! Maybe it's not 'Sleepy Biden' maybe its ourselves 'sleepsheeps'...
@@alexanderlehner1849 Open your eyes. The Fukashima disaster sent shockwaves around the world. The nuclear power industry was always on shaky ground, and it's this fear of environmental catastrophe that is the reason. Merkel may have had good reason to wind the plants down, we'll never know if she was right.
In fairness the imperialist narratives of 18-19th century Russian literature would have seemed perfectly natural in the West of the 18-19th century, and would have been reflected in contemporaneous Western literature, because that was the Age of Empires. Russian imperialist narratives look increasingly anachronistic now, because the West has outgrown empire, whereas Russia has not.
I wonder if the reason that the Soviet Union mindset is so strong in Russia as opposed to the countries in the periphery, who have tried some more successfully than others, to escape the Russian sphere, is that Russia was the seat of the Soviet Empire, thus one can see that it will be very difficult for Russians to organically escape that mindset unless forced "by force," in other words to lose this war, and to lose it compellingly.
Part of it is (probably) that a lot of people have a rosy picture of the past as being ”better” than the present. Its an incredibly interesting bias that a lot (but not all) people have that enable populists to win votes on such slogans as ”Make America great again”. Its the same in Russia (and in virtually every country to varying degree). Another possible explanation in Russias case is the wish to be percieved by others as a ”great” power. Its extremely difficult for a nation to throw off its previous ”greatness” and settle down as a lesser and much more peaceful power. You see echoes of this phenomenon even in peaceful nations, where for example the UK deluded itself into thinking that its still powerful enough to be better off outside the EU. Its clear to virtually every outside observer that Russia isn’t a superpower any longer, and it will never be again. But russians still (want to) believe so. And its much easier to blame others (Nato, the US, the EU, Ukrainian Nazis) rather than the reality of its own ineptitude. So thats what Putin and his propagandists are already doing, as they still cling on to the false belief of their own ”greatness”.
There's a reason everybody now just calls Russia 'Z-nation' at this point. Get the reference to the zombie TV series. It's a mindless zombie horde. As long as questioning, free-thinkers exist in Ukraine, it has a bright future.
I want to read and learn more about Uakrainian arts novels poetry. As a teenager in the 80s I loved Russian film and science fiction stories. My favourite is Dersu Usala from 1976 and Solaris from 1972 and Stalker from 1979… Now I question if what I thought was russian is actually USSR Ukraine
Tarkovsky was an absolute genius. Born in a Russian republic. The films you mentioned adapted from a Polish book on the one hand and a Russian one on the other. I think these films can still be enjoyed?!
When listening to Kateryna and many other Ukrainian women, it seems that they are developed much further in what we call female emancipation in the European west.
I'm not surprised at all, for many historical reasons. Women always had a big role in Eastern Europe, and specially in Ukraine - and this was a big contrast to what happened in the Middle Ages and the Ancient Regime of Western and Central Europe, where women were many times seen as "toys for men". And of course, during wartimes and with martial law and mobilization ongoing, Ukrainian women have a much bigger role now. They've all mobilized to support the Ukrainian Armed Forces, inside the country and abroad.
@@diogorodrigues747 Exactly. I didn't want to mention this as hot topic but it's true. Women in the Armed Forces are accepted in any position without any skepticism. At the same time they work as housewives and their husbands have no shame to do the same job. I'm "lucky" to have Ukrainian refugees as neighbors and friends to observe their daily live. There's still a lot to learn from them.
The legendary Amazons lived in Scythia, which is present-day Ukraine. Their burials are excavated by archeologists all across the country now, those female warriors existed for real. Over 60 thousand Ukrainian women are serving in Ukrainian army, more than in entire Europe taken together.
I believe it is often partly up to the soul of the interpreter whether the meaning and poetry in a work are brought to bear. As difficult as that is and things are for her and so many and as much as the globe has failed to incorporate Ukrainian literature, art and history - the poetry and beauty within all of it supersedes borders and time. So much so that (as was pointed out) much of their cultural works were appropriated and altered by Russia for their own purposes even up until now. Ukrainian culture like so many has been buried under oppression, but (as was also pointed out) their soul and poetry is irrepressible, much like Kateryna herself and I couldn’t agree more with what she said about the monstrous inhumanity of the crimes she described. How could anyone dehumanize these beasts more than they dehumanized themselves?
She nails it! Ukraine is high culture whereas Ruski Mir is without. Ruski Mir is a rickety construct of many cultures looking to exit. As orcs break against Ukrainians allied with EU, the construct crumbles.
"Beast" -- the perfect word to describe the phenomenon of Russian aggression, and I'll include in the phenomenon the army of whining western Russia apologists who cry about this perfectly apt characterization.
I must congratulate Ukraine on it's pure defiance and will to become free from Russia given the fact Russia will never give up, the end of this is to dismantle the Russian system and prejudice's against valid Democracies. This is about the future of the world not just Ukraine, we are on a cusp of decision do we take forward this world, with freedom, trade, wealth for all, democracy or do we let Dictators win with their lies/fear and rule us or kill us, in their dystopian world.
Is there not possibility of Western Book Publishers taking those Ukrainian Literature Classics and translating them for sale around the world in Aid of Ukraine.
Excuse my above rant on YT management and infowar, we need Ryan McBeth brigade with Cyaris software. Now that i've listened trough, i think i'm in love.. But seriously, all the grim, inhuman stuff aside (full extent of which will not be known until some time after there is no more "Russian-occupied territories"), the language and writing is very powerful stuff indeed. So i'll try to check online what Kateryne has published in what languages. Her grammar and style is not bad at all, just more time practicing with locals will unlock the full potential. Not everything in native language can be translated in nuance on the spot. Bear with my long-winded post, i'll explain. Myself not being a native 'anglophone', after 7 years in N. England i did speak it more fluently than my own language for a bit. It usually only comes with integration or assimilation among locals. Constant practice. I've left UK 13 years ago and have rarely used it outside t'internet since, so myself got a bit rusty. However interpretation from russian, spanish or french (simpler texts also vice versa) to decent english is still possible. A few more, if simple captions would be needed for any content of Ukrainian cause. Pity i've been too slow to learn complete Ukrainian - can't yet write it much, but understanding most of it (written/spoken slowly) helps. It's in the works. I'm seriously thinking of doing something - either paid or not. However, if any Ukrainian activist or writer who can bear giving me a text in russian (still my 3rd/4th language), i'll make sure nothing is lost in translation, even if it means some free interpretation to convey the details, etc. If you come accross this comment and have ideas for my volunteer offer, please reply below. Slava i peremoga Ukraíni!
I suggest concentrating on the translation of Ukrainian texts into your own native language, and not into English. What service would that provide when you are a near debutant? The offer of assistance is, however, admirable. It is unusual for native speakers of the English language alive today to start a sentence with Myself. One might begin a sentence with "Pity" if they were reading a script for a period piece set in 1908. Just saying, (internet slang or cell phone text speak brought to us by "Millennials" or younger kids who clearly are too short on bandwitdth or time to give a toss (slang for sh!t originating in the UK, referring to flying jizz, spunk, etc.). Respect, from Canuckistan
I didn't really think of it from that angle Kateryna put in, about "dehumanisation" of Russians, calling them "orcs" (I find that trem a bit childish and don't use it tbh, I'd rather just call them scum, haha), the Russians gave done a good job of dehumanising themselves, as usual.
2:15 Ukraine temporarily disappeared from the radar during the Muscovite occupation of 1775-1917. Before that it was always on the front pages of European newspapers due to the constant wars, revolutions, major battles and other events pretty much the same as now. Ukrainian government-in-exile existed since 1708, its leaders were chased and assassinated by Muscovite agents across the world the same as after 1921.
Looks like we're having another troll comment invasion this week on Ukrainian/Israel topics. I haven't heard most of this yet, but will comment just on infowar first, at least some engagement is needed. Telegraph have about 3:1 troll:normal people comment ratio today. As i remember there were nearly no trolls here because Jonathan had comparatively low profile. If you're getting targeted, you're doing the right thing. And while YT probably reacts and deletes some minor part of misinformation comments after user reports, i bet most are manually removed by account owners. Algorithm is apparently more weaponised against west in general and i suspect inside Google personell is responsible too. It's long no more force for good, imho: [repeat after me] *sack Neil Mohan!*
I'm thinking the number of staff actually working at U-toob is very small and U-toob solely relies on a Glitchy Dysfunctional Algorithm to administrate, which is easily exploited and manipulated by Bots, Trolls, and Anti-Democracy Fources.
The trolling is more intense this week than any time since the channel was created. Good debate is entirely tolerated, even where it disagrees with me. Trolling and insults, or any Z-patriot vatnik nonsense or genocidal rhetoric - and I remove the user without hesitation.
I hope that one of the channels that covers disinformation will dig into Russia's use of Gaza in the information war. The bot farms have obviously decided to shift gears and use Gaza to distract and sow conflict. The hypocrisy and moral equivalency arguments are the latest propaganda narrative that people are eating up and regurgitating.
Ukraine existed centuries before Muscovy ever came into being, so it has a far older culture, history, and language. Russia has always sided with Asia, while Ukraine sides with Europe. Russia celebrates death. Ukraine celebrates life. Ukraine has always fought for freedom, democracy, and the right to self-determination. Russians prefer to be lead, as exemplified by Imperialist Russia, Bolshevik Russia, and now Putin's Russia.
This is what hohols actually believe, by the way. Especially about the bit about language, don't let them simply google the East Slavic group; their mouths will foam claiming it's just RuZZian propaganda.
Let’s discuss the protection of indigenous languages and cultures and develop a world wide governance structure that prevents the need for a military. The money we spend will support cultural revival by supporting language , national art and other cultural heritage. I see how Ukraine has a small cottage industry of artists that keep culture alive, even using historical photos to recreate fashion and jewellery. These small business people struggle to survive. I know , my own friend keeps wood carving of wooden plates with ancient motifs alive but struggles to eat. If we directed our military budgets to such artists , imagine the world we will live in! Colonialism and standardisation of language and culture is a travesty for future humanity . Russian colonialism and western colonialism. (English and western Chinese made clothing) is destroying our indigenous cultures
This starts off with a lie. Look at the name "USSR" it stands for, "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". But the the, "Socialist Republic" part was started in Kiev (Kyiv) then it migrated to Russia. Ukraine is the queen and cofounder of the USSR. SO NO! You do not get to rewrite history like Putler tries to do. I will not watch this.
Er, co founder? Ukraine for a very brief period was a partner in the USSR, but then Russia shot and imprisoned literally ALL of its socialist leaders. Because there could be only one revolution- the Russian imperial one. You may have learned an odd version of history.
If there is something I do NOT like in current developments in Ukraine is the vilification of Russian language. I understand the reaction, especially after Russian regime used the language as one of the main tools in its propaganda. But the language is not to blame for that. Most hateful and inhuman things were written and said in German by the Nazis and the Nazis were 'liberating' German-speaking people in Czechoslovakia the same way the current fascist regime in Moscow 'liberates' Russian-speaking Ukrainians. So what? Should we ban German language? Or we should sanction English and French, because of the bloody, imperial past of these countries? There are no 'bad' and 'good' languages. The fact a particular regime uses a particular language for part of its propaganda is a completely unrelated, political thing. Plus, being bilingual is a treasure. Not something you give up intentionally for political reasons. It makes no sense.
You mistake what’s happening. It’s more complex and sadder. There is no need to legislate against Russian language- and it’s widely used in the east and on the frontlines. People are voluntarily dropping the language because it’s simply too painful for them. The example of Germany is not accurate, because what we’re the German going to speak, apart from German? Ukraine is a multi lingual society where it’s Ukrainian that has been suppressed for centuries. And Russia DOES use its language as a tool of suppression and mind control. You cannot get away from the fact that the use of Russian does undermine Ukraine’s security. However, you regularly hear interviews in Russian on Ukrainian TV. Where the information is useful, people still listen.
@@SiliconCurtain, no analogy is perfect and that was not the point. The point is, that there is no additional knowledge and ability, that is 'bad'. Any Ukrainian would be better off if fluent in both Russian and Ukrainian, than in just Ukrainian. Just like any Algerian would be better off if fluent in Arabic and French, regardless of the horrendous things French army did for years in the bloody, anticolonial war. Plus, when labeling people on the basis of language, dialogues like the one in the video in reality fall in the same category as the fake narrative of Russia, that the language predetermines things like national identity or political affiliation.
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Congratulations, Jonathan, on surviving Kateryna! Excellent interview, BTW!
Thank you both Kateryna Babkina and Jonathan Fink for this essential insight into liberal Ukrainian vs weaponised Russian culture and language
Got to say she says it like it is ,the whole world needs people like her stand up for what you believe has courage, Kiev was there long before moscow. Glory to brave Ukraine
I’ve been listening to some Ukrainian popular music and its seems to me that we are witnessing a Ukrainian cultural (in this case musical) explosion. I think that Ukraine will look back at this period of struggle for freedom for centuries to come as a foundational cultural period. Its extraordinary to witness. Slava Ukraini!
I totally agree. As a 'metalhead' I was surprised that some of my favorite bands are from Ukraine. Only after start of war I realized, what it's all about.
@@alexanderlehner1849 i never listened to metal until i had an extreme situation overwhelm me and randomly heard exactly what i was experiencing expressed in music. I could scream. finally! It's cathartic and it might have saved my life. Definitely saved my sanity. I hear that same catharsis in Ukrainian music. Thanks for sharing 💜
Hopefully it's not just for music.
My brother and I took our daughters to see a Ukrainian animated film called Mavka earlier this year. It was based on Slavic myth and they thoroughly enjoyed it. So I hope they make more like it. (I believe it's on most streaming services now)
The same mob also does historical dramas, some of which look interesting and hopefully have English subtitles.
Hopefully the focus on Ukraine and the popularity of the witcher will start bringing more eastern European mythology into western fantasy.
Also there is more than just music that comes out of Ukraine. Games too.
Frogwares, the guys who made the Lovecraftian game the sinking city and also make Sherlock Holmes games are based in Kyiv.
Their most recent game actually got delayed due to power outages.
To the other metalheads here: please mention them.
Mine is 'I Miss My Death'
Their soprano has a great voice.
@@pierresaelen3097 This could take an interesting turn on the whole discussion here ;) I'd guess one of famous bands is 'Jinjer'.
Mix of clean and growling vocals of a female lead singer with weird dynamics.
Kate shows such strength, pride and honour! A very powerful example of true Ukraine!
I've learned more about Ukraine (and many other regions) from Ukrainians speaking English than I have from North Ameeicans speaking English
lovley guest thanks,with people like Kateryna Ukraines future is indeed bright..
I wonder if her books/stories are available in English? I will check after I watch this 👍
Thank you Jonathan & Kateryna 💙💛
She signed with Penguin, so quite possibly!
@@SiliconCurtain "Her writings have been translated into English, Swedish, Polish, German, Hebrew, French, Spanish, Romanian, Chinese, Viethnamiese, Czech and Greek."
I just ordered her children's book "Cappy and the Whale" in English (I love children's books) Thank you so much for 'introducing' us to Kateryna 💙💛
wow! Kateryna, u speak wonderfully and beautifuly in English actually and it's very impressive usage actually! really impressed w/ you and want to read your books, etc
Thanks 👍😊. You can feel the sadness in her voice of the Lost country's gone from the past 😮
💛💙💜💙💛 hey, Jonathan. I'm like clockwork 🤭 I should have gone to bed hours ago. I never do!! I surrender!! 😄 🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸
Russians are perfectly capable of dehumanizing themselves. Actually, they are eager to do so. What we say or don't say about them doesn't change that fact one iota.
Unfortunately this seems to peel out as a fact. Unbelievable as it might seem to us (with our 'strange human right stuff'='rotting west'). Herein lies the danger of Russkyi Mir.
In the same way that Germans modeled Hitler, Russian now feel empowered to reenact the worst elements of their history
"Self dehumanization." That's a winner! "Eastern Promises" (great movie) has a line that summarizes Slavs: children of slaves are slaves.
Great conversation with a fascinating guest. I must check out anything available (in translation) by Kateryna.
Thank you Johnathon & Kateryna 👍
ĴF this was a brilliant interview this lady is remarkabl🎉in how she describe the essence of evil that is russia in a era of of comfort in the west we are in denial about true evil ,well done.
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Look if the Obama administration and Angela Merkel had stood up to Putin in 2014 this catastrophe in Ukraine 🇺🇦 wouldn’t have happened.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Exactly. When Merkel shut down the nuclear power plants and supported Nordstream2, the only thing I thought was "why shut them down, why make ourselves depending on RU gas, and what the hell has Ukraine to do with it?" Now I understand. Stupid me, but sorry Angie and Obama - you should've known better! Maybe it's not 'Sleepy Biden' maybe its ourselves 'sleepsheeps'...
@@alexanderlehner1849 Open your eyes. The Fukashima disaster sent shockwaves around the world. The nuclear power industry was always on shaky ground, and it's this fear of environmental catastrophe that is the reason. Merkel may have had good reason to wind the plants down, we'll never know if she was right.
One of the most eloquent Ukrainian voices I'd heard, even when handicapped by English, an language with an even longer imerial legacy.
So pleased to see your subscribers up to over 50,000 💙💛🇺🇦
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Good interview
In fairness the imperialist narratives of 18-19th century Russian literature would have seemed perfectly natural in the West of the 18-19th century, and would have been reflected in contemporaneous Western literature, because that was the Age of Empires.
Russian imperialist narratives look increasingly anachronistic now, because the West has outgrown empire, whereas Russia has not.
This is the problem- the literary works are not celebrated in Russia despite the blatant imperialism, but because of it…
Great interview
Great video! Thank you for your work!
You are indeed an excellent interviewer
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Thank you 💛 Anna and Jonathan
In Finland they atm. calling Ukrainian-language teachers back from retirement cause they badly needed. 🤗
Ty both. ❤
❤ Love your fascinating guest 🙌🙌
👍👍👍 I am keen to explore her books now!
Great interview!
One of the more authentic and switched on speakers I seen in some time. I must track down one of her books if I can find them in Australia.
I wonder if the reason that the Soviet Union mindset is so strong in Russia as opposed to the countries in the periphery, who have tried some more successfully than others, to escape the Russian sphere, is that Russia was the seat of the Soviet Empire, thus one can see that it will be very difficult for Russians to organically escape that mindset unless forced "by force," in other words to lose this war, and to lose it compellingly.
Part of it is (probably) that a lot of people have a rosy picture of the past as being ”better” than the present. Its an incredibly interesting bias that a lot (but not all) people have that enable populists to win votes on such slogans as ”Make America great again”. Its the same in Russia (and in virtually every country to varying degree).
Another possible explanation in Russias case is the wish to be percieved by others as a ”great” power. Its extremely difficult for a nation to throw off its previous ”greatness” and settle down as a lesser and much more peaceful power. You see echoes of this phenomenon even in peaceful nations, where for example the UK deluded itself into thinking that its still powerful enough to be better off outside the EU.
Its clear to virtually every outside observer that Russia isn’t a superpower any longer, and it will never be again. But russians still (want to) believe so. And its much easier to blame others (Nato, the US, the EU, Ukrainian Nazis) rather than the reality of its own ineptitude. So thats what Putin and his propagandists are already doing, as they still cling on to the false belief of their own ”greatness”.
Very interesting discussion and very much need education
There's a reason everybody now just calls Russia 'Z-nation' at this point. Get the reference to the zombie TV series. It's a mindless zombie horde. As long as questioning, free-thinkers exist in Ukraine, it has a bright future.
I want to read and learn more about Uakrainian arts novels poetry.
As a teenager in the 80s I loved Russian film and science fiction stories. My favourite is Dersu Usala from 1976 and Solaris from 1972 and Stalker from 1979… Now I question if what I thought was russian is actually USSR Ukraine
Tarkovsky was an absolute genius. Born in a Russian republic. The films you mentioned adapted from a Polish book on the one hand and a Russian one on the other. I think these films can still be enjoyed?!
When listening to Kateryna and many other Ukrainian women, it seems that they are developed much further in what we call female emancipation in the European west.
I'm not surprised at all, for many historical reasons. Women always had a big role in Eastern Europe, and specially in Ukraine - and this was a big contrast to what happened in the Middle Ages and the Ancient Regime of Western and Central Europe, where women were many times seen as "toys for men".
And of course, during wartimes and with martial law and mobilization ongoing, Ukrainian women have a much bigger role now. They've all mobilized to support the Ukrainian Armed Forces, inside the country and abroad.
@@diogorodrigues747 Exactly. I didn't want to mention this as hot topic but it's true. Women in the Armed Forces are accepted in any position without any skepticism. At the same time they work as housewives and their husbands have no shame to do the same job. I'm "lucky" to have Ukrainian refugees as neighbors and friends to observe their daily live. There's still a lot to learn from them.
The legendary Amazons lived in Scythia, which is present-day Ukraine. Their burials are excavated by archeologists all across the country now, those female warriors existed for real. Over 60 thousand Ukrainian women are serving in Ukrainian army, more than in entire Europe taken together.
Yes, and never marry one ))) you will be owned by her and mostly the mother in law
@@betterdonotansweryes , see my comment
I believe it is often partly up to the soul of the interpreter whether the meaning and poetry in a work are brought to bear. As difficult as that is and things are for her and so many and as much as the globe has failed to incorporate Ukrainian literature, art and history - the poetry and beauty within all of it supersedes borders and time. So much so that (as was pointed out) much of their cultural works were appropriated and altered by Russia for their own purposes even up until now. Ukrainian culture like so many has been buried under oppression, but (as was also pointed out) their soul and poetry is irrepressible, much like Kateryna herself and I couldn’t agree more with what she said about the monstrous inhumanity of the crimes she described. How could anyone dehumanize these beasts more than they dehumanized themselves?
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She nails it! Ukraine is high culture whereas Ruski Mir is without. Ruski Mir is a rickety construct of many cultures looking to exit. As orcs break against Ukrainians allied with EU, the construct crumbles.
"Beast" -- the perfect word to describe the phenomenon of Russian aggression, and I'll include in the phenomenon the army of whining western Russia apologists who cry about this perfectly apt characterization.
I must congratulate Ukraine on it's pure defiance and will to become free from Russia given the fact Russia will never give up, the end of this is to dismantle the Russian system and prejudice's against valid Democracies. This is about the future of the world not just Ukraine, we are on a cusp of decision do we take forward this world, with freedom, trade, wealth for all, democracy or do we let Dictators win with their lies/fear and rule us or kill us, in their dystopian world.
Is there not possibility of Western Book Publishers taking those Ukrainian Literature Classics and translating them for sale around the world in Aid of Ukraine.
Excuse my above rant on YT management and infowar, we need Ryan McBeth brigade with Cyaris software. Now that i've listened trough, i think i'm in love..
But seriously, all the grim, inhuman stuff aside (full extent of which will not be known until some time after there is no more "Russian-occupied territories"), the language and writing is very powerful stuff indeed. So i'll try to check online what Kateryne has published in what languages. Her grammar and style is not bad at all, just more time practicing with locals will unlock the full potential. Not everything in native language can be translated in nuance on the spot. Bear with my long-winded post, i'll explain.
Myself not being a native 'anglophone', after 7 years in N. England i did speak it more fluently than my own language for a bit. It usually only comes with integration or assimilation among locals. Constant practice. I've left UK 13 years ago and have rarely used it outside t'internet since, so myself got a bit rusty. However interpretation from russian, spanish or french (simpler texts also vice versa) to decent english is still possible. A few more, if simple captions would be needed for any content of Ukrainian cause.
Pity i've been too slow to learn complete Ukrainian - can't yet write it much, but understanding most of it (written/spoken slowly) helps. It's in the works. I'm seriously thinking of doing something - either paid or not. However, if any Ukrainian activist or writer who can bear giving me a text in russian (still my 3rd/4th language), i'll make sure nothing is lost in translation, even if it means some free interpretation to convey the details, etc. If you come accross this comment and have ideas for my volunteer offer, please reply below.
Slava i peremoga Ukraíni!
I suggest concentrating on the translation of Ukrainian texts into your own native language, and not into English. What service would that provide when you are a near debutant? The offer of assistance is, however, admirable.
It is unusual for native speakers of the English language alive today to start a sentence with Myself.
One might begin a sentence with "Pity" if they were reading a script for a period piece set in 1908.
Just saying,
(internet slang or cell phone text speak brought to us by "Millennials" or younger kids who clearly are too short on bandwitdth or time to give a toss (slang for sh!t originating in the UK, referring to flying jizz, spunk, etc.).
Respect, from Canuckistan
I didn't really think of it from that angle Kateryna put in, about "dehumanisation" of Russians, calling them "orcs" (I find that trem a bit childish and don't use it tbh, I'd rather just call them scum, haha), the Russians gave done a good job of dehumanising themselves, as usual.
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2:15 Ukraine temporarily disappeared from the radar during the Muscovite occupation of 1775-1917. Before that it was always on the front pages of European newspapers due to the constant wars, revolutions, major battles and other events pretty much the same as now. Ukrainian government-in-exile existed since 1708, its leaders were chased and assassinated by Muscovite agents across the world the same as after 1921.
Yes, as discussed- Moscow was effective at burying Ukraine’s long and important history by ‘appropriating’ its identity.
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It's what empires do by nature.
Looks like we're having another troll comment invasion this week on Ukrainian/Israel topics. I haven't heard most of this yet, but will comment just on infowar first, at least some engagement is needed.
Telegraph have about 3:1 troll:normal people comment ratio today. As i remember there were nearly no trolls here because Jonathan had comparatively low profile. If you're getting targeted, you're doing the right thing. And while YT probably reacts and deletes some minor part of misinformation comments after user reports, i bet most are manually removed by account owners. Algorithm is apparently more weaponised against west in general and i suspect inside Google personell is responsible too. It's long no more force for good, imho:
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*sack Neil Mohan!*
I'm thinking the number of staff actually working at U-toob is very small and U-toob solely relies on a Glitchy Dysfunctional Algorithm to administrate, which is easily exploited and manipulated by Bots, Trolls, and Anti-Democracy Fources.
The trolling is more intense this week than any time since the channel was created. Good debate is entirely tolerated, even where it disagrees with me. Trolling and insults, or any Z-patriot vatnik nonsense or genocidal rhetoric - and I remove the user without hesitation.
I hope that one of the channels that covers disinformation will dig into Russia's use of Gaza in the information war. The bot farms have obviously decided to shift gears and use Gaza to distract and sow conflict. The hypocrisy and moral equivalency arguments are the latest propaganda narrative that people are eating up and regurgitating.
Ukraine existed centuries before Muscovy ever came into being, so it has a far older culture, history, and language. Russia has always sided with Asia, while Ukraine sides with Europe. Russia celebrates death. Ukraine celebrates life. Ukraine has always fought for freedom, democracy, and the right to self-determination. Russians prefer to be lead, as exemplified by Imperialist Russia, Bolshevik Russia, and now Putin's Russia.
This is what hohols actually believe, by the way. Especially about the bit about language, don't let them simply google the East Slavic group; their mouths will foam claiming it's just RuZZian propaganda.
Let’s discuss the protection of indigenous languages and cultures and develop a world wide governance structure that prevents the need for a military. The money we spend will support cultural revival by supporting language , national art and other cultural heritage. I see how Ukraine has a small cottage industry of artists that keep culture alive, even using historical photos to recreate fashion and jewellery. These small business people struggle to survive. I know , my own friend keeps wood carving of wooden plates with ancient motifs alive but struggles to eat. If we directed our military budgets to such artists , imagine the world we will live in! Colonialism and standardisation of language and culture is a travesty for future humanity . Russian colonialism and western colonialism. (English and western Chinese made clothing) is destroying our indigenous cultures
This starts off with a lie. Look at the name "USSR" it stands for, "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". But the the, "Socialist Republic" part was started in Kiev (Kyiv) then it migrated to Russia. Ukraine is the queen and cofounder of the USSR. SO NO! You do not get to rewrite history like Putler tries to do.
I will not watch this.
Er, co founder? Ukraine for a very brief period was a partner in the USSR, but then Russia shot and imprisoned literally ALL of its socialist leaders. Because there could be only one revolution- the Russian imperial one. You may have learned an odd version of history.
If there is something I do NOT like in current developments in Ukraine is the vilification of Russian language. I understand the reaction, especially after Russian regime used the language as one of the main tools in its propaganda. But the language is not to blame for that. Most hateful and inhuman things were written and said in German by the Nazis and the Nazis were 'liberating' German-speaking people in Czechoslovakia the same way the current fascist regime in Moscow 'liberates' Russian-speaking Ukrainians. So what? Should we ban German language? Or we should sanction English and French, because of the bloody, imperial past of these countries? There are no 'bad' and 'good' languages. The fact a particular regime uses a particular language for part of its propaganda is a completely unrelated, political thing. Plus, being bilingual is a treasure. Not something you give up intentionally for political reasons. It makes no sense.
You mistake what’s happening. It’s more complex and sadder. There is no need to legislate against Russian language- and it’s widely used in the east and on the frontlines. People are voluntarily dropping the language because it’s simply too painful for them. The example of Germany is not accurate, because what we’re the German going to speak, apart from German? Ukraine is a multi lingual society where it’s Ukrainian that has been suppressed for centuries. And Russia DOES use its language as a tool of suppression and mind control. You cannot get away from the fact that the use of Russian does undermine Ukraine’s security. However, you regularly hear interviews in Russian on Ukrainian TV. Where the information is useful, people still listen.
@@SiliconCurtain, no analogy is perfect and that was not the point. The point is, that there is no additional knowledge and ability, that is 'bad'. Any Ukrainian would be better off if fluent in both Russian and Ukrainian, than in just Ukrainian. Just like any Algerian would be better off if fluent in Arabic and French, regardless of the horrendous things French army did for years in the bloody, anticolonial war. Plus, when labeling people on the basis of language, dialogues like the one in the video in reality fall in the same category as the fake narrative of Russia, that the language predetermines things like national identity or political affiliation.