It’s such a pleasure to listen to this resolute guest, Annette Bohr! Absolutely agree with her . Very sad that it has been allowed to the russian propaganda in all that years to influence people in the US and Europe.
Russia has done much more than just "blanket" The West, and anyone who will listen, with propaganda: Many people in Western Lands are part of the Russian System, either via their Autocratic Ideology, or via Financial Systems (banking), or especially the Orthodox Church (Evangelicals fit this mold with utter precision, many without even realizing it). Don't think of these as merely people that have "bought into" Russian Propaganda; it's more accurate to realize that entire swaths of American Culture, such as the GOP and the NRA, are actual Russian Entities, rather than merely misshapen victims of Russian Propaganda. If they have Russian bank accounts, and if their children have Russian Names, beware! - j q t -
Ukraine was part of the soviet union and the russian federation .THEY, the "communist state" stole those lands from the free Polish etc in europe . Since that time many more countries have become independent and their international borders were defined and agreed by the united nations .All these countries you speak of agreed the borders and russia in particular agreed to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine , Poland , Estonia , Belorussia , Latvia .Lithuania Rumania , Georgia , Armenia Bulgaria , Hungary to name but a few . According to Putin this was all a big mistake and now he wants them back in greater russia . They will never yield their freedom to that crazy dictator ever again . Just look at the pitiful conditions the poor russians are having to endure , not only lack of basic modern resources stolen from them by putin's robber baron oligarchs , but also their liberty and political freedom . Yes ,others will rightfully point to the many deficiencies of the western capitalist democracies but they pale into insignificence when contrasted with the "communist " tyrrannies that purport to be politically superior . We do not see waves of economic and political migrants flocking to their borders clamouring for entry , far from it . When you say it is not our fight , we say if we do not stand together for our shared values against the war mongering criminals who habitually brutalise ,excecute deport , imprison, rape and torture innocent children women and civilians , ignoring the Geneva convention and even basic human rights , if we don't oppose this criminality because we are complacent , afraid or weak willed , THEN WHAT WILL WE STAND FOR ????
I agree with so much of what you have to say. You put the question out "Then what will we stand for?" and I fear that for far too many Americans--the ones that would see us disengage from that part of the world--that issue is not at all relevant. For many Americans even protecting the Constitution is too vague a concept to realize the danger of the loss of the rule of law in the face of our current crisis. We might have succeeded years ago with questioning people about what they stand for, but Moscow is banking on us not being able to agree on the answer. The talented people in our worlds of politics and journalism have failed to bring home a sustained, coherent, and compelling argument to the average citizen of what is really at stake here. I don't know why we have failed on this point.
Q: the "communist state" stole those lands from the free Polish... A: Quite the opposite, after WWII huge German, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and Czech lands have been ceded to the PPR by the USSR, so now Poland is about twice bigger than it should be within its natural ethnical or historical borders.
@@betterdonotanswerPoland twice as big as it ought to be in its national borders ... What was once an empire was subsequently completely erased and now is what it is . Ukraine actually has areas within its borders that were once Polish ... Finland ceded territory to the invading russians . However since the end of WW2 all nations have agreed to abide by their border arrangements in the name of world peace . Poland included .But not russia ... Why not ? It is already the biggest country on earth so what is its problem ? Bombastic delusions of grandeur methinks ...
Again Jonathan, bringing more experts and analysts than any RUclips channel. It's great to have your stellar skills with both language and interview dialog. Thank you ever so much for the work you do and the great guests. As a U.S. citizen I recognize the inherent danger and tragedy Russia presents. With the continued effort to push Putinism to the fore, it is paramount any action not just deterring Russia, but defeating and rejecting the thugocracy on offer must be an end goal. One of the costs of the eastern alignment is two fold, a governing theory without a justice system and a surveillance state using a social credit score. A very dystopian vision is part of this nation state alignment.
Thank you to both Jonathan and Annette, for an intriguing interview. I agree very much that the position of India within the Bricks, is more in line with Global South sentiment, than that of both Russia and China. Both dictatorships are really in it for their own prestige. I wonder just how long it will take for them to be at war with each other?
Such a great sum up by Annette, thank you! This Global South speak needs to be stopped. Certainly Australia and New Zealand need to be left out of this Mix we support Ukraine. I think that Chile and Argentina should also be left out! South Africa has its own wars.
As long as the Ukrainians want to fight, I will want to help them, and when they want to stop, I will grieve with them. No country should have to watch their future being stolen from them.
It’s not just platforms. Russia needs more medium & long-range ground launched missiles: ATACMS, yes, but also Harpoon, NSM, the long-awaited GLSDB & even S-200s. They also need old-fashioned gun systems in large numbers & vehicles to mount them on. Toyotas, Chevys & Fords will do. They need 3-D printers, medical equipment, back-up generators, satellite service that is dependent on fucking Elon. And they need a green-light to go after Russian infrastructure in Russia that’s being used to support the war.
Exactly! The position of the government of a country such as South Africa, my country, is astonishing. They have an almost fanatical aversion to "colonialism", to the extent of not giving it credit for anything, yet when a colonial power (Russia) wages a colonial war of aggression and conquest, it is perfectly in order!
Follow the influence of decades of communist and KGB indoctrination across the global south, especially in relations to the far left political parties and those pushing for social equality, human rights, etc. Russia invested decades in convincing them that they were good and america was bad. We see it across latin america too.
Putting aside Russia's unsuccessful attempts to colonise India in the 19th century, the global South was colonised largely by Western European countries so the default position in many of these countries is that the West are the only colonisers. It's illogical and wrong. Quite apart from the Russia empire it completely overlooks all the other empires throughout history. But it is very easy to see how Russia can use this anti-Westernism to gain influence. Historically, Russia, India and China are not natural allies. Maybe Europe has become too inward looking. We are just going to work harder to counteract this propaganda.
Thx as ever, Jon. Between the West balancing the pressures of our respective Right Wing 'populist' movements, and the needs of our own dwindling stockpiles (already due to taking the 'Peace Dividend'), perhaps the West shouldn't too hard on ourselves... for after all, still what's become an extraordinary display of support for another beleaguered country, that's completely unprecedented since WWII!
President Biden now has a population supporting Ukraine, but we also have very loud media jerks. Thank you for helping us resist them and stay informed.
Russia will implode , not by external attack , but by internal decay occasioned by the state corruption , repression , greed disinformation + lies , inhumanity , brutality, injustice and flagrant hypocricy to name but a few cancers in the body politic .
Competition from BRICS is good IMHO, but I agree with Peter Zeihan, China is on a slippery slope downwards and possibly increased internal conflicts, and it has lost the race to beat the US economy, due to its collapsing population and financial problems.
Dragging feet (and leaving Russia in the UN) are Russian victories, but necessary at the nuclear level. If, for example, they know America is dragging its feet, they have less reason to resort to nuclear weapons. Same reasoning goes for their still being in the UN. The key point for the West is Russia is losing regardless.
In the US we have 1 million white males between the ages of 25- 55 who are sitting at home on worker’s compensation benefits or are “ disabled” while we have an unprecedented worker’s shortage. Maybe you should engage yourself in bringing these people back into the work force rather than complaining about people trying to come in and fill these vacant positions.
@@MonteRosa849 Start with work programs they can do on their own terms without risking all of their benefits. The system is so afraid of fraud that it would rather force 10x more people to stay disabled.
Interesting talk.. just being devils advocate, why shouldn't India China ect profit from Russian hydrocarbons and the like,as before war this was a suitable arrangement for most of Europe and west,they may be seen as enterprising by us, but they see themselves as having had very little input in circumstances of initiating war in Ukraine.. the west is already involved in war just not directly with total commitment..
the difference is: that Iraq is a Muslim country which supports, terror, repression, torture as a legitimate means of ruling over it's people or in International relations. It blocked the Intern. nuclear deal investigation. Ukraine was founded as a democratic country which gave all its ex soviet nuclear weapons to Russia at the Memorandum in 1994 for Ukrainians territorial integrity, for its freedom and sovereignty. America and UK have signed that Memorandum too and now have an obligation to protect it. actually any straight person on this earth has that obligation too. ..... just to bring a bit clarity to your question, Russia is abusing all the human rights guarantied to the Ukrainians with a false declaration that they are Nazis ..... however if they would be Nazis, it's not Russia's business in what the Ukrainians believe in.
Forgive me, a very well informed lady with lots of information/opinions, but for me unwatchable....I can hear too much of Loyd Grossman in her voice. Information overload...summery..Russia and China are manipulative and bad. Sorry I will watch the next one.
For whom follows leaders that through their own people in a war that is killing them for no reason but there leaders who does that Ukraine not good 😢😢😢
It’s such a pleasure to listen to this resolute guest, Annette Bohr! Absolutely agree with her . Very sad that it has been allowed to the russian propaganda in all that years to influence people in the US and Europe.
Russia has done much more than just "blanket" The West, and anyone who will listen, with propaganda: Many people in Western Lands are part of the Russian System, either via their Autocratic Ideology, or via Financial Systems (banking), or especially the Orthodox Church (Evangelicals fit this mold with utter precision, many without even realizing it). Don't think of these as merely people that have "bought into" Russian Propaganda; it's more accurate to realize that entire swaths of American Culture, such as the GOP and the NRA, are actual Russian Entities, rather than merely misshapen victims of Russian Propaganda. If they have Russian bank accounts, and if their children have Russian Names, beware! - j q t -
Excellent content and wonderful guest! Thank you Annette & SC ✌️💙
This is a spot on discussion. Spot on.
Ukraine was part of the soviet union and the russian federation .THEY, the "communist state" stole those lands from the free Polish etc in europe . Since that time many more countries have become independent and their international borders were defined and agreed by the united nations .All these countries you speak of agreed the borders and russia in particular agreed to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine , Poland , Estonia , Belorussia , Latvia .Lithuania Rumania , Georgia , Armenia Bulgaria , Hungary to name but a few .
According to Putin this was all a big mistake and now he wants them back in greater russia . They will never yield their freedom to that crazy dictator ever again . Just look at the pitiful conditions the poor russians are having to endure , not only lack of basic modern resources stolen from them by putin's robber baron oligarchs , but also their liberty and political freedom .
Yes ,others will rightfully point to the many deficiencies of the western capitalist democracies but they pale into insignificence when contrasted with the "communist " tyrrannies that purport to be politically superior .
We do not see waves of economic and political migrants flocking to their borders clamouring for entry , far from it .
When you say it is not our fight , we say if we do not stand together for our shared values against the war mongering criminals who habitually brutalise ,excecute deport , imprison, rape and torture innocent children women and civilians , ignoring the Geneva convention and even basic human rights , if we don't oppose this criminality because we are complacent , afraid or weak willed ,
THEN WHAT WILL WE STAND FOR ????
I agree with so much of what you have to say. You put the question out "Then what will we stand for?" and I fear that for far too many Americans--the ones that would see us disengage from that part of the world--that issue is not at all relevant. For many Americans even protecting the Constitution is too vague a concept to realize the danger of the loss of the rule of law in the face of our current crisis. We might have succeeded years ago with questioning people about what they stand for, but Moscow is banking on us not being able to agree on the answer. The talented people in our worlds of politics and journalism have failed to bring home a sustained, coherent, and compelling argument to the average citizen of what is really at stake here. I don't know why we have failed on this point.
Q: the "communist state" stole those lands from the free Polish...
A: Quite the opposite, after WWII huge German, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and Czech lands have been ceded to the PPR by the USSR, so now Poland is about twice bigger than it should be within its natural ethnical or historical borders.
@@betterdonotanswerPoland twice as big as it ought to be in its national borders ... What was once an empire was subsequently completely erased and now is what it is . Ukraine actually has areas within its borders that were once Polish ... Finland ceded territory to the invading russians . However since the end of WW2 all nations have agreed to abide by their border arrangements in the name of world peace . Poland included .But not russia ... Why not ? It is already the biggest country on earth so what is its problem ? Bombastic delusions of grandeur methinks ...
The talk of the USA not being that powerful don't forget that the USA is not on their own 🇬🇧🇨🇦🇺🇲 and many more Slava Ukraine
Again Jonathan, bringing more experts and analysts than any RUclips channel. It's great to have your stellar skills with both language and interview dialog. Thank you ever so much for the work you do and the great guests. As a U.S. citizen I recognize the inherent danger and tragedy Russia presents. With the continued effort to push Putinism to the fore, it is paramount any action not just deterring Russia, but defeating and rejecting the thugocracy on offer must be an end goal. One of the costs of the eastern alignment is two fold, a governing theory without a justice system and a surveillance state using a social credit score. A very dystopian vision is part of this nation state alignment.
Thank you for your useful work. Ukraine is right defending itself from aggression. We all need to support Ukraine.
Chatham House always has excellent thoughts on matters, good to see this!
Thank you to both Jonathan and Annette, for an intriguing interview. I agree very much that the position of India within the Bricks, is more in line with Global South sentiment, than that of both Russia and China. Both dictatorships are really in it for their own prestige. I wonder just how long it will take for them to be at war with each other?
It's pretty amazing the depth and especially breadth of topics and expertise you manage to engage for your audience. I always learn a lot. Thanks!
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Annette Bohr is absolutely brilliant! I hope you have her back on soon Jonathan.
Such a great sum up by Annette, thank you! This Global South speak needs to be stopped. Certainly Australia and New Zealand need to be left out of this Mix we support Ukraine. I think that Chile and Argentina should also be left out!
South Africa has its own wars.
As long as the Ukrainians want to fight, I will want to help them, and when they want to stop, I will grieve with them. No country should have to watch their future being stolen from them.
Ukrainians will not stop anytime soon, their previous armed resistance lasted for 45 years, in 1917-1961.
@@betterdonotanswer Then I will hold out with them. And my Senator will hear from me the whole time.
Which Ukrainians are you speaking of?
@@galanis38 The Ukrainians who believe they are Ukrainian, not Russian.
@@jakelilevjen9766 same here, and i am writing all the senators here in the U.S> and rep's too.
A very competent interlocutor.
Another superb pod!!
Give Ukraine the tools to finish off the Orcs. F16s, ATACMS and lots of MBTs. Now.
It’s not just platforms. Russia needs more medium & long-range ground launched missiles: ATACMS, yes, but also Harpoon, NSM, the long-awaited GLSDB & even S-200s. They also need old-fashioned gun systems in large numbers & vehicles to mount them on. Toyotas, Chevys & Fords will do. They need 3-D printers, medical equipment, back-up generators, satellite service that is dependent on fucking Elon. And they need a green-light to go after Russian infrastructure in Russia that’s being used to support the war.
Very interesting discussion.
Ukraine lutte pour notre démocratie
You don’t have a democracy and neither has Ukraine! And Ukraine is not fighting for you either!
The South forgets that Russia has been a colonialist empire for centuries.😮
Exactly! The position of the government of a country such as South Africa, my country, is astonishing. They have an almost fanatical aversion to "colonialism", to the extent of not giving it credit for anything, yet when a colonial power (Russia) wages a colonial war of aggression and conquest, it is perfectly in order!
Follow the influence of decades of communist and KGB indoctrination across the global south, especially in relations to the far left political parties and those pushing for social equality, human rights, etc. Russia invested decades in convincing them that they were good and america was bad. We see it across latin america too.
The media very purposefully makes this the case.
Putting aside Russia's unsuccessful attempts to colonise India in the 19th century, the global South was colonised largely by Western European countries so the default position in many of these countries is that the West are the only colonisers. It's illogical and wrong. Quite apart from the Russia empire it completely overlooks all the other empires throughout history. But it is very easy to see how Russia can use this anti-Westernism to gain influence. Historically, Russia, India and China are not natural allies. Maybe Europe has become too inward looking. We are just going to work harder to counteract this propaganda.
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Thx as ever, Jon. Between the West balancing the pressures of our respective Right Wing 'populist' movements, and the needs of our own dwindling stockpiles (already due to taking the 'Peace Dividend'), perhaps the West shouldn't too hard on ourselves... for after all, still what's become an extraordinary display of support for another beleaguered country, that's completely unprecedented since WWII!
American public awareness is an oxymoron
President Biden now has a population supporting Ukraine, but we also have very loud media jerks. Thank you for helping us resist them and stay informed.
We don't hear the word "bailiwick" enough these days.
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RUSSIA DELENDA EST.
Russia will implode , not by external attack , but by internal decay occasioned by the state corruption , repression , greed disinformation + lies , inhumanity , brutality, injustice and flagrant hypocricy to name but a few cancers in the body politic .
glory to Ukraine
Slava Russia and down with the Ukrainian N@zis.
Je veux russie perdre
Competition from BRICS is good IMHO, but I agree with Peter Zeihan, China is on a slippery slope downwards and possibly increased internal conflicts, and it has lost the race to beat the US economy, due to its collapsing population and financial problems.
If Ukraine is our fight then shouldn’t she volunteer to fight?
Dragging feet (and leaving Russia in the UN) are Russian victories, but necessary at the nuclear level. If, for example, they know America is dragging its feet, they have less reason to resort to nuclear weapons. Same reasoning goes for their still being in the UN. The key point for the West is Russia is losing regardless.
If I could come back sometime in the 22nd century and learn that the human race hadn't slowly walked into WW3 I sadly wouldn't be shocked sadly!🤪😢
If Xi continues to make major miscalculations, India could be second not third.
I don't have a problem helping Ukraine. Joe needs to go though. There are still people flooding in the U.S
In the US we have 1 million white males between the ages of 25- 55 who are sitting at home on worker’s compensation benefits or are “ disabled” while we have an unprecedented worker’s shortage. Maybe you should engage yourself in bringing these people back into the work force rather than complaining about people trying to come in and fill these vacant positions.
@@MonteRosa849 Start with work programs they can do on their own terms without risking all of their benefits. The system is so afraid of fraud that it would rather force 10x more people to stay disabled.
2% du budget de défense de États Unis et .4% gdp dépensé En Ukraine
Боже мой! Какая ты всё красивая Анни! Дориана Грей, что ли?
Estonia has a smaller GDP then Montana. You can't compare the two lol
Yep. It's a false choice. The journey to find answers to so many global dilemmas runs through Ukraine.
Interesting talk.. just being devils advocate, why shouldn't India China ect profit from Russian hydrocarbons and the like,as before war this was a suitable arrangement for most of Europe and west,they may be seen as enterprising by us, but they see themselves as having had very little input in circumstances of initiating war in Ukraine.. the west is already involved in war just not directly with total commitment..
Not looking great is it ?. 😂
You should stop this.
U.S invade Iraq, Russia invade Ukraine... so what the problem? 😂
The problem, is that all these wars were wrong. The mistakes of the US do not make Russia right.
the difference is: that Iraq is a Muslim country which supports, terror, repression, torture as a legitimate means of ruling over it's people or in International relations. It blocked the Intern. nuclear deal investigation. Ukraine was founded as a democratic country which gave all its ex soviet nuclear weapons to Russia at the Memorandum in 1994 for Ukrainians territorial integrity, for its freedom and sovereignty. America and UK have signed that Memorandum too and now have an obligation to protect it. actually any straight person on this earth has that obligation too. ..... just to bring a bit clarity to your question, Russia is abusing all the human rights guarantied to the Ukrainians with a false declaration that they are Nazis ..... however if they would be Nazis, it's not Russia's business in what the Ukrainians believe in.
Forgive me, a very well informed lady with lots of information/opinions, but for me unwatchable....I can hear too much of Loyd Grossman in her voice.
Information overload...summery..Russia and China are manipulative and bad.
Sorry I will watch the next one.
You would be more persuasive if you learned how to spell summary
Yes....clearly that is the most important part of the posting...the Russian spelling...and 4 months ago!@@davidwinet5607
Wrong. Its not your fight
Yes it is .. putin has freqùently said so publically to his people and generally in his ranting essays
yes chatham house is the best support the nazis against soviets since 1940s @@renatoantonelli3894
For ruzzians troll yes it's not "their fight".
For humans people supporting Ukraine yes!
Are you a person who doesn't understand or a bot that doesn't understand?
You are wrong for many reasons. But I doubt listing will change your mind in any way.
Would gladly work with Cheltenham. Especially contribute with my knowledge about Balkans and South-East Europe.
For whom follows leaders that through their own people in a war that is killing them for no reason but there leaders who does that Ukraine not good 😢😢😢