@@2seep supra fanboy lmao. You cant compare the luxury, safety and usability to some clapped out tin can. I love JDMs and I own an rx7 and an r32 but they are not as good as the modern cars. Simple 😂. No shit the bmw is going to cost more even with “TODAYS MONEY”. More regulations, safety features required and added features all increase manufacturing cost. Comparing them two by price is the dumbest thing you can do smh
Those are fantastic numbers Johnathan, as a mechanical engineer the concern that I would have would be the reduced lifespan of the stock turbos and the slipping of the ZF transmission. I would assume that this is the maximum level available with stock turbos and a stock ZF transmission, and that the next performance level would require upgraded turbos along with a built transmission. The one caveat regarding the xDrive variant would require upgraded axles and drive shafts, as there is greater force going to all four wheels.
I am a mechanical engineer (PE) myself but this is not my expertise. I like these engines as they are prebuilt with forged internals and ready to go out the box. You are correct in concerning yourself with the transmission however, I think that small increase in power/tq is not drastic enough to really push things too far. Now if they get up around 750-800whp than we have some issues with stock components. I was a bit sad they don't sell the M3/M4 with a manual gearbox on the competition models. The higher HP engine probably isn't strong with the flywheel and clutch plates so they just automatically jump to the ZF8 right away.
Very true about the added stress from increased power but it’s still nothing like a diesel truck i have a 6bt with a compound setup and Hpump making about 1000 horse and 1700ft of torque. This is a lot of stress due to the weight of the truck 7200 pounds. Can snap transmission shafts very easily
You should've kept your G80, easy power. Makes the same as an F90 on an E blend tune with two less cylinders and lighter. I'm seriously looking to get a G80/G82 now.
@@wickedpistonracing I got F90 M5 and now kinda feel like I should have went with G80. I heard the F90 engine bend rods if you turn them and some have blown even stock.
@@deeleem1724 The S58 isn't exempt from bending rods. They're actually carried over from the S63TU4 engine (I believe). And the forces are being exerted on 6 rods vs 8. That said, inline-6 engines have a number of benefits over V8 engines due to harmonic balancing so it isn't a great comparison.
@@metno_ yes. M2s purpose has never been the off the line speed. Even in the bmw promo video for the m2 they show it around the track eating corners and power sliding
Yeah, you need a G80/G82 if you are making that comment. An M340/M440i is a great car, but it is not and will never be a true M car. The M-Lites aren't even in the same ballpark. Spending an extra 25% for a legit M-car is a no brainer IMO. Would be a tougher decision if it were a $45k vs $75k msrp. But at $55k vs $73k (or 58k vs 75k for the 4) it's a no brainer.
@@pinacolaaadas Doesn't really matter what you opt for on the G8x....you're waiting that long either way. By the same measure, no one is buying a base non-optioned M340/440. And sure you can bring the F3x into this (for a much cheaper price) but it isn't the same B58 and that chassis is boring at best.
Thinking of buying the new m2.. sucks I have to send my dme out.. dumb.. but how's the turbo lag at high boost? How it's it on the street? Response good? I have owned my n54 for 7 years now.. pushing 550hp.. etc.. but that new m2 😅
It's a shame that FEMTO has not figured out a way to do these unlocks remotely. They could charge more for the convenience or even make way more money.
Nice!! But WTF, flying over to Finland (FemTO is in Russia BTW, Finland is just frontier in EU making it easier to ship). A DME for G80/G82 costs 1450,- EUR in case you lose it..
No your not. Just upgrade your clutch eventually. Motiv sells a great kit.. see if they sell 1 for the s58.. I'm not sure if the b58 and s58 share the same clutch..
I can't believe it.. making my f82 m4 looking so weak 😥. At the wheels it's basically where I'm at with stage 2 catless on 93 octane. And when the g80 is tuned on 93 pump gas, it's stronger than mine when I'm using 100% e85. What makes the g80 so strong? Since it's still a very similar 3.0 liter twin turbo, is it bigger turbos? According to its stock numbers it should be basically even with stage 2 f80's, but I don't think they are, cus of the weight?
I would still prefer an S55 I think. The fact that you have a DCT makes it feel more special no? I've rented a 2016 M4, for my University graduation, and the DCT made that car so raw, lol. To answer your question, if I remember correctly, doesn't the S58 have a 3D printed cylinder or something that makes it more lightweight?
@@bobstarr its not about money its about going to petrol pump again and again and having a very low range for long trips , how much milegae drop in percentage can some one accept after this mod?
@@RUDEBOY-hn6qz oh that kind of mileage, most tunes come with 3 or 4 settings for different fuel types and stuff and a default stock setting so you get normal mileage.
No. The B58 won't achieve numbers anywhere near this. It's a single turbo standard BMW engine vs an M division twin turbo engine.... The B58 is closer to the N54 and neither engine is remotely close to the S58. Period.
Not really needed. Every other video of a modded G8x is running 9's. Hence why he said they're consistent 9 second cars. It's mostly the xDrive's that achieve those times but a number of RWD examples are also in the 9's.
Ill be honest here, I am NOT a fan of the S58 tone. I dont think the s55 sounds better, but this tone is not impressive to me. Maybe single mid would help
@@ThicWhips Catless down pipes and single mid pipe on the S58 really wakes the sound up!! Plenty of vids on RUclips now lol It sounds way more aggressive and raw with out sounding over the top and shit IMO
The newer one I assume coming out in October? I don't think that will be much different than the M4 in weight sadly. It should be but man the M240i xdrive is already a heavy car.
And people still comparing a base MK4 Supra 2JZ non turbo with a B58. Imagine if Toyota release an S58 Supra, even if with a detuned S58, like the G87 M2!!
Lol it could be cool, but keep dreaming. No chance BMW lets any other manufacturer put their hands anywhere near the S58. The B58 is a standard ass BMW engine - have at it. The M-divisions S58 LOOOOL no chance. They aren't even close to similar engines and BMW surely ain't giving up an M motor.
@@zachmayock Could be true, but remember the McLaren F1?? It was powered by a BMW S70/2 engine. “S” as from the BMW M Division. Anything is possible and it would be really nice. I think they’ll release a very limited edition powered by the S58.
I test drove a brand new m4 and couldn’t believe how fast it was bone stock… ❤❤❤ only flaw with that car was the exhaust tone. So I bought a 19 440I for half the price. 😍
@@jachympatloka5453 That's just the nature of a single turbo vs twin turbo engine. The single turbo will generally sound better to most people. The B58 is a great motor but it pales in comparison to the S58 in the M.
@@zachmayock but there any many twin turbo 6cyls that sound amazing. S55/S58 sound is mechanical, agressive sound without tones, just loud noise and bangs. B58 sound is full of nice tones together with decent burble. Do you think just a single vs twin turbo could make this difference?
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To clear up any confusion, this g82 is stock turbos: catless Downpipes, intakes, exhaust and tune. That’s it! Thanks for watching. ❤
How does it run E85 fully without a mix?
@@alexisbad123 s58 comes with 2 HPFP’s not requiring a blend
Can you run e85 straight instead of an e60 blend... Blending is a pia
Yeah these cars are mental! With the dahler unit I dynod at 598hp/606tq
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What other mods do you have with the dahler ?
@@mikeycairo78 Apexbuilt front mount intakes and downpipes, TFL race exhaust
I'm curious what power you can make with everything stock, just a tune
s58 aka the modern 2jz
Hell no. This car cost 120k. The Supra mk4 cost 60k when it came out in todays money.
*b58
@@2seep supra fanboy lmao. You cant compare the luxury, safety and usability to some clapped out tin can. I love JDMs and I own an rx7 and an r32 but they are not as good as the modern cars. Simple 😂. No shit the bmw is going to cost more even with “TODAYS MONEY”. More regulations, safety features required and added features all increase manufacturing cost. Comparing them two by price is the dumbest thing you can do smh
Just bought a 2024 m4 competition xdrive. I'm stoked man. My first bmw and I'm in love.
@@2seepm4s are going for $78k lmao where tf you looking at?
Those are fantastic numbers Johnathan, as a mechanical engineer the concern that I would have would be the reduced lifespan of the stock turbos and the slipping of the ZF transmission. I would assume that this is the maximum level available with stock turbos and a stock ZF transmission, and that the next performance level would require upgraded turbos along with a built transmission. The one caveat regarding the xDrive variant would require upgraded axles and drive shafts, as there is greater force going to all four wheels.
I am a mechanical engineer (PE) myself but this is not my expertise. I like these engines as they are prebuilt with forged internals and ready to go out the box. You are correct in concerning yourself with the transmission however, I think that small increase in power/tq is not drastic enough to really push things too far. Now if they get up around 750-800whp than we have some issues with stock components. I was a bit sad they don't sell the M3/M4 with a manual gearbox on the competition models. The higher HP engine probably isn't strong with the flywheel and clutch plates so they just automatically jump to the ZF8 right away.
Very true about the added stress from increased power but it’s still nothing like a diesel truck i have a 6bt with a compound setup and Hpump making about 1000 horse and 1700ft of torque. This is a lot of stress due to the weight of the truck 7200 pounds. Can snap transmission shafts very easily
Yeah more than likely gonna get a Trans by @puredrivetrainsolutions
Well Said ☝🏻💯
The Gearbox is a ZF 8HP76. Which means it is rated for 760Nm but you can safely throw 1000Nm at it without braking. Gotta love ZF transmissions.
the S58 is a monster.
You should've kept your G80, easy power. Makes the same as an F90 on an E blend tune with two less cylinders and lighter. I'm seriously looking to get a G80/G82 now.
@@wickedpistonracing 😂 nah I am good. Plus with RWD you are not going to hook with that much power without a MT street tire.
@@wickedpistonracing I got F90 M5 and now kinda feel like I should have went with G80. I heard the F90 engine bend rods if you turn them and some have blown even stock.
@@deeleem1724 The S58 isn't exempt from bending rods. They're actually carried over from the S63TU4 engine (I believe). And the forces are being exerted on 6 rods vs 8. That said, inline-6 engines have a number of benefits over V8 engines due to harmonic balancing so it isn't a great comparison.
I feel like the g87 m2 can def be one of the fastest m cars depending on its weight, it could possible be the lightest out of the s58 platform
Only thing is I think it’s rwd only but rwd is always lighter, I think it’ll be maybe 100 pounds lighter than a rwd m3/m4
@@rubenbenny2671 oh is it really rwd only?
@@metno_yeah the m2 wasn’t meant for AWD
@@metno_ yes. M2s purpose has never been the off the line speed. Even in the bmw promo video for the m2 they show it around the track eating corners and power sliding
It’s over for the streets now
Can you swap a s58 into a f30 chassis? or an f80?
That’s literally insane. Wish it sounded better tho
crazy power makes me want to save more for this over a 440/340
Yeah, you need a G80/G82 if you are making that comment. An M340/M440i is a great car, but it is not and will never be a true M car. The M-Lites aren't even in the same ballpark. Spending an extra 25% for a legit M-car is a no brainer IMO. Would be a tougher decision if it were a $45k vs $75k msrp. But at $55k vs $73k (or 58k vs 75k for the 4) it's a no brainer.
@@zachmayock no one is buying base non-optioned M's man. You will be sitting waiting for an allocation for a year plus.
If ur making that comment and have any sort of desire for a b58 you should be looking at the new supra. If not then yeah cop n m
@@pinacolaaadas Doesn't really matter what you opt for on the G8x....you're waiting that long either way. By the same measure, no one is buying a base non-optioned M340/440. And sure you can bring the F3x into this (for a much cheaper price) but it isn't the same B58 and that chassis is boring at best.
Thanks for the video 👍🏻🙏🏼
Thanks for sharing. Great torque band.
as a v8 owner this is crazy power for a tune. i need to dump at least 15k in to get anywhere near those numbers.
Its also 90k lmao
Isn't it depressing? LOL
M2 is in the 60k range, hell of a deal
no you don't 😅
I'm curious what power you can make with everything stock, just a tune
What kind of tires he run in the rear ?
I'm curious what power you can make with everything stock, just a tune
Is this stock hardware or bolt ons also?
Intakes, catless dps, exhaust and tune
@@ThicWhips do you need the intakes? Cause most new bmws dp and exhausts are all they need.
Are they able to unlock and keep remote start?
Thinking of buying the new m2.. sucks I have to send my dme out.. dumb.. but how's the turbo lag at high boost? How it's it on the street? Response good? I have owned my n54 for 7 years now.. pushing 550hp.. etc.. but that new m2 😅
I can't believe the stock tune runs 14.7:1 afr all the way to redline, you definitely richened it up a bit to be on the safe side in pauls tune 👍
What are those wheels?
Now let say if your at e30-45ish. Still select the e60 tune? Or pump. Is it fully self adjusting flex fuel tune?
Need to do this to my x3m comp
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An absolute insane amount of power!! Time for track day boys!! 💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥
How are you running E60 without fueling upgrades?
It's a shame that FEMTO has not figured out a way to do these unlocks remotely. They could charge more for the convenience or even make way more money.
They probably do know how to, but the problem is that someone will figure out the way it's done and steal it!!
@@offrdk5 i hope they do. Monopolizing it is ridiculous and should be able to be done remotely. Even if he encrypts it. Could make way more money.
Cant wait to see him on the streets after this. CRAZY
How long is the shipping process
what type of exhaust and/or downpipes and midpipes is he running?
Just bought 2024 m240i xdrive coupe can they unlock dme ?
Is it legal to unlock factory dme?
I wish this car had dct
You deserve more subscribers
What exhaust or down/mid pipes is he running
What's an eBlend?
How much do you vm charge to send it and unlock it?
Nice!! But WTF, flying over to Finland (FemTO is in Russia BTW, Finland is just frontier in EU making it easier to ship). A DME for G80/G82 costs 1450,- EUR in case you lose it..
Negative. They used to be in Ukraine and have since relocated to Finland.
@@ThicWhips No man. Denis the owner was located in St. Petersburg. Russia! Maybe a political game:)
You are the best man!
Great info. Will call them when I get my M3 in. Just curious, I choose manual trans, am I limited?
No your not. Just upgrade your clutch eventually. Motiv sells a great kit.. see if they sell 1 for the s58.. I'm not sure if the b58 and s58 share the same clutch..
Cant put the power down without x drive
I can't believe it.. making my f82 m4 looking so weak 😥. At the wheels it's basically where I'm at with stage 2 catless on 93 octane. And when the g80 is tuned on 93 pump gas, it's stronger than mine when I'm using 100% e85. What makes the g80 so strong? Since it's still a very similar 3.0 liter twin turbo, is it bigger turbos?
According to its stock numbers it should be basically even with stage 2 f80's, but I don't think they are, cus of the weight?
I would still prefer an S55 I think. The fact that you have a DCT makes it feel more special no? I've rented a 2016 M4, for my University graduation, and the DCT made that car so raw, lol. To answer your question, if I remember correctly, doesn't the S58 have a 3D printed cylinder or something that makes it more lightweight?
How long does it take for the dme to be unlocked?
2 Weeks
I this might be a collab with my man Slowspeed and his g82 😅
Do tuning cars to produce more bhp reduces the mileage?
very much. But there are mods to help and if you have this kind of money then a rebuild is always an option.
@@bobstarr its not about money its about going to petrol pump again and again and having a very low range for long trips , how much milegae drop in percentage can some one accept after this mod?
@@RUDEBOY-hn6qz oh that kind of mileage, most tunes come with 3 or 4 settings for different fuel types and stuff and a default stock setting so you get normal mileage.
The problem I see with unlocking is that BMW will in the future will make it so you have to stay updated or your car will shut down!!
My 2018 f80 has locked DME. How do I exactly unlock it if anyone knows?
Can you do this for the new b58’s?
No. The B58 won't achieve numbers anywhere near this. It's a single turbo standard BMW engine vs an M division twin turbo engine....
The B58 is closer to the N54 and neither engine is remotely close to the S58. Period.
@@zachmayock I was just asking if you could unlock the DME post-June 2020 models?
Any link to these cars making 9 second passes?
Not really needed. Every other video of a modded G8x is running 9's. Hence why he said they're consistent 9 second cars. It's mostly the xDrive's that achieve those times but a number of RWD examples are also in the 9's.
Freaking insane! Can the internals handle this kind of power?
A b58 can handle it. Of course it can, it can handle more ho just keep the torque down to the know breakage point.
The internals are insanely durable in this engine
The s58 sounds so much better than the s55
Ill be honest here, I am NOT a fan of the S58 tone. I dont think the s55 sounds better, but this tone is not impressive to me. Maybe single mid would help
@@ThicWhips Catless down pipes and single mid pipe on the S58 really wakes the sound up!! Plenty of vids on RUclips now lol It sounds way more aggressive and raw with out sounding over the top and shit IMO
Could you imagine these mods on the m2? Whew ugly but wow what a rocket!
The newer one I assume coming out in October? I don't think that will be much different than the M4 in weight sadly. It should be but man the M240i xdrive is already a heavy car.
M2 isn't even that much lighter than a M4. I'd rather go M4 for a more comfortable daily
And people still comparing a base MK4 Supra 2JZ non turbo with a B58. Imagine if Toyota release an S58 Supra, even if with a detuned S58, like the G87 M2!!
Lol it could be cool, but keep dreaming. No chance BMW lets any other manufacturer put their hands anywhere near the S58. The B58 is a standard ass BMW engine - have at it. The M-divisions S58 LOOOOL no chance. They aren't even close to similar engines and BMW surely ain't giving up an M motor.
@@zachmayock Could be true, but remember the McLaren F1?? It was powered by a BMW S70/2 engine. “S” as from the BMW M Division. Anything is possible and it would be really nice. I think they’ll release a very limited edition powered by the S58.
the car is literally sneezing lmaooo achooo
I test drove a brand new m4 and couldn’t believe how fast it was bone stock… ❤❤❤ only flaw with that car was the exhaust tone. So I bought a 19 440I for half the price. 😍
how's the 440?
440i sounds much better than M4
@@jachympatloka5453 yes ten times better
@@jachympatloka5453 That's just the nature of a single turbo vs twin turbo engine. The single turbo will generally sound better to most people. The B58 is a great motor but it pales in comparison to the S58 in the M.
@@zachmayock but there any many twin turbo 6cyls that sound amazing. S55/S58 sound is mechanical, agressive sound without tones, just loud noise and bangs. B58 sound is full of nice tones together with decent burble. Do you think just a single vs twin turbo could make this difference?
That's just incredible! Do you know how much an S55 with similar mods can make?
Id have to say on E blend, somewhere in 600s?
Hasbulla
Christ.
Stage 2 from @hausofpower_llc out in Cali brings you to 700+ just sayin