Partitions in the Americas That Almost Happened

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @blackgearcompany347
    @blackgearcompany347 4 года назад +601

    How about "Scrambles of Africa that Almost Happened", showing all claims of every colonial power which took part in this.

    • @avantelvsitania3359
      @avantelvsitania3359 4 года назад +49

      The Pink Map intensifies

    • @markhenley3097
      @markhenley3097 4 года назад +37

      Well Portugal claimed Rhodesia for a while, and the Germans of course had interests in the East and West African coasts.

    • @mikeoxsmal8022
      @mikeoxsmal8022 4 года назад +4

      That would be assome

    • @marschallblucher6197
      @marschallblucher6197 4 года назад +6

      That vid would be a year long...

    • @Junokaii
      @Junokaii 4 года назад +5

      Probably have to go prior to the Berlin Conference then for it to be interesting. Cause once that happened, the way Africa was partitioned was pretty much set in stone so nobody had to go to war.

  • @domino_201
    @domino_201 4 года назад +755

    Tigerstar: Paraguay being gobbled up would be a very interesting scenario.
    AlternateHistoryHub: *script writing and research intensifies*

    • @ocurtamemes1477
      @ocurtamemes1477 4 года назад +42

      Alternate history hub never cares about South America :(

    • @DaveMiller6042
      @DaveMiller6042 4 года назад +26

      @@ocurtamemes1477 cause south America doesn't have that much of a impact on world history.

    • @cassianoneto1553
      @cassianoneto1553 4 года назад +23

      He did make a video on the Paraguay war, but he deleted it for some reason.

    • @ocurtamemes1477
      @ocurtamemes1477 4 года назад +35

      @@DaveMiller6042 he made a video about Oceania but not South America... THAT'S BULLSHIT. And I think Brazil would be a Great Power if it had somehow industrialized earlier and if Dom Pedro I wasn't stupid

    • @domino_201
      @domino_201 4 года назад +2

      ShadoSnake Yes. The best.

  • @Ivan-tj5et
    @Ivan-tj5et 4 года назад +372

    The worst partition: Roman Empire

  • @Not_actually_a_commie
    @Not_actually_a_commie 4 года назад +265

    "They wanted to prevent something like a civil war"
    Hah, imagine thinking _that_ would happen

  • @3ipolarBear
    @3ipolarBear 4 года назад +108

    2:53 Fun fact, Paraguay named a city and a whole state/administrative department(and a football club!) in honor of Hayes because he was the one interceding for Paraguay's continuous existence and opposing the outright annexation
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidente_Hayes_Department
    They also have a holliday about it
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudo_Hayes_Firm_Day

    • @felps1917
      @felps1917 4 года назад +7

      For one of the worst USA presidents, he's very loved and praised in country he's never set a foot

    • @3ipolarBear
      @3ipolarBear 4 года назад +25

      @@felps1917 One of the worst is kinda unfair, terribly average, sure, but it's not like he tried to pull unjustifiable stuff like killing the country's youth invading impoverished middle eastern countries

    • @richardkent2014
      @richardkent2014 2 года назад

      Mexico did the same once the republica be in the North drive the Spanish and Portuguese from the South

    • @richardkent2014
      @richardkent2014 2 года назад

      Bit like kyiffv or whatever it's called today I was brought up with that as kiev and it was in Russia now they are about to join the eu

  • @MrDemonWorm
    @MrDemonWorm 4 года назад +73

    "There was some talk of Canada keeping parts of Quebec that voted against independence"
    Northern Ireland: "Don't do it!"

  • @BossTwan-kk6bp
    @BossTwan-kk6bp 4 года назад +216

    Poland: *I am once again asking for your independence support*

    • @Perririri
      @Perririri 4 года назад +2

      …from #NATO!!

    • @Tom_Cruise_Missile
      @Tom_Cruise_Missile 4 года назад +1

      @@Perririri can't wait to see poland leave NATO and immediately get Ukraine'd.

    • @goobot1
      @goobot1 3 месяца назад +3

      @@Perriririur comment didn’t age well

  • @greatwolf5372
    @greatwolf5372 4 года назад +176

    Paraguay still has places named after Rutherford Hayes.

    • @kewaso_5313
      @kewaso_5313 4 года назад +34

      We got a province and its capital with the name Presidente Hayes

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 4 года назад +6

      I'd hope so after he kept the country existing.

    • @turkoositerapsidi
      @turkoositerapsidi 4 года назад +3

      What Paraguai name mean?

    • @mojojanji1976
      @mojojanji1976 4 года назад +22

      TurkoosiTerapsidi The name is based off the river Paraguay which got its name from the guaraní language from the natives of the region. The name means something along the lines of “born of water” or “the river that gives birth to the sea”

    • @turkoositerapsidi
      @turkoositerapsidi 4 года назад +8

      @@mojojanji1976 Thank, thats good informatio.

  • @12345678900987659101
    @12345678900987659101 4 года назад +140

    What if Paraguay won the Paraguayan war? Might be an interesting HOI4 mod.
    Lopezreich.

    • @berat700_
      @berat700_ 4 года назад +1

      Nah its just south america what do you expect

    • @austinbosh7402
      @austinbosh7402 4 года назад +2

      What if Paraguay didn't declare on Argentina sounds better

    • @MrCrashDavi
      @MrCrashDavi 4 года назад

      Paraguay-Uruguay Confederacy a la United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway.

    • @idontknowhatmynameshouldbe
      @idontknowhatmynameshouldbe 4 года назад

      flyingkoopa45 yeah I wish the devs in the Great War mod update it

    • @cigan9333
      @cigan9333 2 года назад +4

      i mean there were mutinies in the Argentine Army because few people wanted to fight Paraguay, they even wanted to fight Brazil instead because it had been our historical enemy, so perhaps an alternative scenario would be the federal revolts winning and Argentina joining Paraguay's side then

  • @jacobhogan3208
    @jacobhogan3208 4 года назад +400

    Canadians: *see America taking parts of Canada* "DISGUSTING."
    Canadians *see Canada taking parts of the US* "Perfection."

    • @stevenaudet
      @stevenaudet 4 года назад +28

      Imagine all that universal healthcare in there right now, eh?. (insert dream sequence of: no hospital fees fro treatment + hockey + maple syrup)
      You're welcome, buddy!

    • @turkoositerapsidi
      @turkoositerapsidi 4 года назад +2

      Canada is in Amerika, so Amerika kan no take part of Canada.

    • @stevenaudet
      @stevenaudet 4 года назад +10

      @@turkoositerapsidi So why did Murica take Hawaii?
      OH! FREEDOM! (I forgot :/ )

    • @eleltoro
      @eleltoro 4 года назад +13

      stevenaudet well universal doesn’t mean good healthcare

    • @turkoositerapsidi
      @turkoositerapsidi 4 года назад +5

      @@stevenaudet You men USA? Usa occupied it because they love imperialism over anything else, just like the arabs and british.

  • @DylanoRevs
    @DylanoRevs 4 года назад +175

    So basically, the partitions were only in:
    USA, Canada and Paraguay

    • @dugrik
      @dugrik 4 года назад +28

      Bolivia also lost a lot of territory including their access to the Pacific.

    • @rafaelssj
      @rafaelssj 4 года назад +13

      @@Gabriel-vv4ug "few years before 1900" Rio grande do Sul tried breaking away in 1835, that's more than a few years before 1900

    • @cassianoneto1553
      @cassianoneto1553 4 года назад +6

      Lúzia A Morta Tried, the separatists never conquered the capital of the province, that was also the largest City.

    • @rafaelssj
      @rafaelssj 4 года назад

      @Lúzia A Morta They tried breaking away but failed

    • @ab9840
      @ab9840 4 года назад

      Gran Colombia broke up. Then there is the short lived nation of Los Altos. It was made up of the higher elevations of Guatemala which it had broken free from Guatemala. It was even part of the Central American Federation. When the federation broke up, Guatemala came knocking. The Guatemalan forces wiped out the entire government of los Altos. Map of Los Altos (its in grey) - www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/centramerica/upca.gif -
      That narrow part of Los Altos next to the Pacific ocean is called Soconusco. They joined Los Altos in 1824. Later on, with Los Altos re-annexed by Guatemala, Mexico annexed Soconusco which joined the Mexican state of Chiapas.

  • @danpapp7524
    @danpapp7524 4 года назад +52

    Tall Maine doesn’t exist. It can’t hurt you.

  • @edgelord8337
    @edgelord8337 4 года назад +97

    Slice and dice and land is divided trice Texas partitions in a nutshell.
    Paraguay fighting 2 of the most powerful nations in South America and losing 90% of its population was certainly a *big brain moment for Lopez*

    • @Dwagoner
      @Dwagoner 4 года назад +24

      Wasn't it 90% of the male population?

    • @kewaso_5313
      @kewaso_5313 4 года назад +8

      The war although officially declared first by Lopez was already a thing Brazil, Argentina and colorado Uruguay were preparing a year before it was declared by Lopez, here in Paraguay we know it as the "secret treaty" so the war is not only Lopez's fault, but he could have done something to prevent it.

    • @kewaso_5313
      @kewaso_5313 4 года назад +9

      @@Dwagoner it was around 90% of MALE population, total population was reduced to 60-70% which is still a lot

    • @orangesilver8
      @orangesilver8 4 года назад +3

      Yeah people give a really unfair representation to Paraguay there. Brazil and Argentina invaded Paraguay's ally Uruguay and put in a government that allied them instead of Paraguay.

  • @jesusramirezromo2037
    @jesusramirezromo2037 4 года назад +52

    You should cover The Republic of the Rio Grande, a partition idea of various northern Mexican states and part of texas

    • @user-so9ic7qw2u
      @user-so9ic7qw2u 3 месяца назад

      it wasn’t a partition it was a rebellion

  • @tonyhawk94
    @tonyhawk94 4 года назад +8

    For Quebec, the validity of the last referendum is very doubtful. Canada did a huge propaganda before it and also relied on the massive mobilization of the English minority, in reality the French Canadians in large majority wanted to become independant...kind of like Catalonia nowadays.

  • @brunocavalcante4018
    @brunocavalcante4018 4 года назад +48

    I thought you'd also mention in the paraguayan conflict the dispute between Brazil and Argentina that started right after the Triple Alliance War over the Misiones Territory.
    The "Misiones" are that long corridor territory then completely held by Argentina, but disputed with Brazil, which claimed it should be part of the "Paraná" state.
    The Argentinians were happy to partition it, in exchange for some beneficial trade deal, but brazilian Emperor Pedro II said "it's either ours, in which case we should'nt yield an inch, or its theirs, in which case wouldn't be fair to claim an inch of land that does not belong to us", and so the dispute lingered.
    It would be sort of resolved after the Republican Coup. By that time, without the emperor's meddling, Brazil accepted a partition and both presidents of Argentina and Brazil called upon the US president Grover Cleveland to arbitrate the issue.
    Cleveland decided upon a very favorable position for Brazil, and so it was nicely divided in the Brazil-Argentina borders we have today, and in the newly acquired territory Brazil renamed a city to "Clevelândia", in Grover's honor.
    I like to imagine how the borders would look today, had it been decided by the time of Pedro II, either fully brazilian or fully argentinian.

    • @PlatineMapper
      @PlatineMapper 4 года назад +1

      In fact Argentina was claming territories west of 2 rivers they thought were futher east but when the border was going to be settled they realized those rivers were actually further west than they thought. Typical argentinian situation

    • @Heavy-metaaal
      @Heavy-metaaal Год назад +1

      I think, if Paraguay has disappeared it would fight back to regain its independence. I know the war began because of the mess the Paraguayan dictator did, but it think it's not good to take land from a country.

  • @lafrileuse4459
    @lafrileuse4459 4 года назад +12

    You forgot about the huge chunk of Quebec that was "given" to Newfoundland without Quebec's approval!

    • @Kakwann
      @Kakwann 4 года назад +1

      Labrabor was given to Newfoundland for "fishermans"!

  • @deadchannel2811
    @deadchannel2811 4 года назад +21

    WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET ABOUT MINNESOTA THERE WAS A BORDER DISPUTE WITH MINNESOTA

    • @zozzy4630
      @zozzy4630 4 года назад +2

      At least CGP Grey's got you covered (assuming you meant the Lake of the Woods lol). Oh and the channel Knowing Better has done a few videos on US borders and he mentioned the proposed state of Superior

  • @nostalgic9597
    @nostalgic9597 4 года назад +12

    Any reason why you didn't cover the partition of the oregon territory when talking about the US canada border?

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican 4 года назад +18

    Turning Texas into basically 1945 Germany would’ve been very weird. Weird borders. I just can’t see Montreal divided like Cold War Berlin either but it would be eerie

    • @elweonquecomenta
      @elweonquecomenta 2 года назад +2

      i know it's been two years, but, how did you mix Quebec with Texas?

  • @PlasmaTwa2
    @PlasmaTwa2 4 года назад +4

    Another one you missed for Canada was the original proposal for Nunavut in 1976. It would have stretched across the North to the Yukon River

  • @CB0408
    @CB0408 4 года назад +4

    Brazil never wanted Paraguay to disappear. It feared having too big a border with Argentina, and too few neighbors to maneuver in case of a war with Buenos Aires.

  • @altaic9202
    @altaic9202 4 года назад +53

    In my home state of Nebraska, there is a partition that might happen in the future. A lot of people in the panhandle want to join Wyoming.

    • @PeruvianPotato
      @PeruvianPotato 4 года назад +1

      Bruh, that's dumb

    • @Distress.
      @Distress. 4 года назад +2

      I doubt its that many

    • @brutusthebear9050
      @brutusthebear9050 4 года назад +47

      @@Distress. I mean, 5 people voting yes would probably be a majority.

    • @altaic9202
      @altaic9202 4 года назад +4

      Brutus the Bear XD

    • @robtoe10
      @robtoe10 4 года назад +5

      Why-oming?

  • @Roydonk52
    @Roydonk52 4 года назад +10

    Interesting video, but it is rather important to specify that this idea of the partition of Québec in the various regions where they voted "No" was rather a minor debate in 1995. Also, it was mainly used by the "No" camp to foster fear and to keep Québec inside Canada. I think more people were afraid of Canada breaking up as a whole than Québec splitting inside since mainly Montréal is linguistically and ethnically divided (and that's where the "No" camp was stronger with the Western part of Outaouais). Technically, it was not possible to split these regions since they don't have the power over territorial administration. We could add that autochthonous people would have probably tried to settle something with either Québec or Canada, but they were not backing any political side in this debate. In the end, Canada and various International Organizations recognized that Quebec's territorial integrity, in case of independence, is "untouchable" (in theory again). We could add one last thing: Newfoundland, when they entered the federation, was granted Labrador, which belonged to Québec at that time. So, in the case of Québec's independence, they could also play this card.

    • @adamburnett2577
      @adamburnett2577 4 года назад +2

      Felix-Antoine Cloutier
      It’s also worth noting that the Indigenous within Quebec made it clear they weren’t leaving Canada.

    • @Roydonk52
      @Roydonk52 4 года назад +5

      @@adamburnett2577 Absolutely! You are right, but we should not interpret this position as a pro-federalism claim.

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +1

      The video is poorly made and poorly sourced. Partition has no serious political backing of any sorts and would only create loosers on every side if it was to happen.

  • @MirejeLenoir4670
    @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +6

    The partition movement in Québec never got any serious support from any political party. Like, pretty pretty much everyone agrees that if Québec has to leave or to stay, it will leave or stay as a whole.
    The partition of Québec does not really give any political gain to anyone. Nobody wants small chunks of Québec that have, for themselves no real or vital value except as a revenge tool. Like, nobody would fight to get a chunk of Siberia.
    I find also funny that using only english speaking sources, you never came across those who want to add tu Québec the disputed frontiers of Labrador and the french speaking areas of New Brunswick and Ontario that border Québec :P These are as unlikely to happen has cutting Montreal in two or giving Canada chunks of northern Québec that have no transportation and communication infrastructures.

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +3

      No serious politician in Canada ever said "If I lose a referendum, my house will stay/leave Canada because my house voted no/yes". This is fantasy.

    • @declannewton2556
      @declannewton2556 4 года назад +2

      Even if no party seriously supports partitioning a secessionist Quebec, it will happen regardless.
      The vast northern portion of Quebec is inhabited by Natives who aren't interested at all in the ideals of the secessionism of the Francophone Quebecois.

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад

      @@declannewton2556 Ok so ? That's democracy, you can't opt out from every decision. Thus, they would become a new canadian territory, without the advantages of being within a province, with no international airport, almost no roads and no port. Becoming a canadian enclave within Québec is not worth it neither feasable. They have no interest into doing that. Furthurmore, they cut some very lucrative deals with Québec governement over dam construction. Even if some of them don't like it, i can't see what interest they would have and keeping them would cost a fortune for the Canadain governement only to create bad neighbors. I see only negative points for every party involved.

    • @declannewton2556
      @declannewton2556 4 года назад +1

      @@MirejeLenoir4670
      It's more than simply "opting out" of a decision because you didn't like the outcome. Quebec secessionism is motivated solely by French interests. Why should Native Canadians just go along with the ride. If Quebec can secede, why can't the natives secede from Quebec?
      You underestimated how unpopulated Quebec is. The majority of Quebec's land is sparsely populated by Natives. This vast area of Native land extends all the way to Ontario's border; so a native province would not be an enclave.
      Being a self governing territory is probably better than have no say in a foreign republic.
      The simple foundations of secessionism in Quebec is enough a reasob for the majority of Natives to opt out. There's also the issue ofpf treaties. Many tribes in Quebec signed land treaties with the crown. As seen in BC, obscure land treaties can cause massive conflict and opposition from natives groups. An independent Quebec would render all those treaties invalid. Imagine the opposition to that.
      Simply, it's better to let the Natives stay.

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад

      @@declannewton2556 The natives can decide whatever they want but there is no automatism to it.

  • @chekhov4215
    @chekhov4215 4 года назад +73

    The last time I was this early the Balkans were stable...
    so never.

    • @slamwall9057
      @slamwall9057 4 года назад +5

      The time before humans first settled in the Balkans: Am I a joke to you?

    • @PeruvianPotato
      @PeruvianPotato 4 года назад +7

      It was when it was split between the Austrian Empire and the Ottoman Empire before the Napoleonic Wars

    • @brutusthebear9050
      @brutusthebear9050 4 года назад +3

      It was stable during the Roman times

    • @dorthusiast
      @dorthusiast 4 года назад +1

      @The Nova renaissance who*

    • @autisticspaceman9397
      @autisticspaceman9397 4 года назад

      @@dorthusiast Whoms't*

  • @Frankenbutt99
    @Frankenbutt99 4 года назад +38

    Got this notification while I was reading about a partition of Mexico on r/imaginarymaps. It was meant to be

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow 4 года назад +9

    A partitioned Quebec is an odd idea non-Quebecois keep bringing up given the government made it clear it was all in, or all out, and there'd have likely been a major exodus of Anglos had the Yes vote won.

    • @Zelda-sr6ro
      @Zelda-sr6ro 4 года назад

      So odd that some of us want a country of our own

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +1

      @Zontar You are right, the video is pooly made, one-sided and relies solely on obscure english sources. Even the most pro-Ottawa of all do not want partition. He almost made up the topic of his video.

  • @alihaleem8264
    @alihaleem8264 4 года назад +9

    My parents might get a partition

  • @brutusthebear9050
    @brutusthebear9050 4 года назад +3

    Surprised you didnt mention that, had Quebec broken away from Canada, there were talks about Saskatchewan also becoming independent or even being annexed by the United States.

    • @ZontarDow
      @ZontarDow 4 года назад +1

      An actual study by the Canadian federal government projected that between 1995 and 2020, BC would become its own country, the Western provinces and Atlantic Canada would join the US, and for economic reasons Ontario and Quebec would remerge.

    • @matthewhemmings2464
      @matthewhemmings2464 4 года назад +3

      @@ZontarDow I doubt Quebec and Ontario could ''remerge'' considering they were never merged. Yet, the main issue with the independence mouvement of Quebec in Canada is that Montreal, and the Saint-Lawrence remains the main access to the Atlantic. Indeed, the Port of Montreal, a city 1500 km inland is the 2nd biggest port in Canada by far, just behind Vancouver, and there are 4 of the 10 provinces (9 excluding Quebec) that are east of the province. Plus, let's not forget how the Northern Territories gets most of their shipments (Montreal). It's hard to say, but there are no Canada without Quebec, and I really doubt Quebec being independent was ever really an option for Canada.

  • @davisthedavis
    @davisthedavis 4 года назад +1

    Love your video essays

  • @cerritulus_7426
    @cerritulus_7426 4 года назад +5

    Another partition that you could've mentioned is in the pacific northwest/cascadia. In real life the partition gave canada modern day british columbia and america idaho, washington state and oregon, but what could've instead happened is either britian would get all of oregon territory, america would get all of oregon territory or britian could of got everything west of the columbia river and america would get everything else.

  • @UnOfficiallyRekt
    @UnOfficiallyRekt 4 года назад +2

    Fun Fact: during colonial times, the colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had an ongoing dispute over where their border lay. Maryland’s claims protruded north far enough that Philadelphia would have become apart of Maryland, and Pennsylvania’s claim went as far south as the northernmost stretches of the Chesapeake.
    Eventually, things got so heated that bands of citizens took arms and either ventured north or south to harass others in what came to be known as the Cresaps War (very interesting read to anyone who is interested in early American history). Eventually, militias were raised to stop the violence and the Mason Dixon line was established to create an official border line. That Mason Dixon line would go on to be known as the border between North and South USA.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 4 года назад +6

    I would imagine the second texas would be called Anson named for the last president of Texas President Jones or Houston named for the first president

  • @jumperwilli7770
    @jumperwilli7770 4 года назад +18

    VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!

  • @jaydonly2336
    @jaydonly2336 4 года назад +4

    The Next Video: Africa and the Middle East
    Me: this is gonna be a long one

  • @alexn.2901
    @alexn.2901 4 года назад +2

    Where did you find those Quebec partitions map?

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +3

      He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. The video is weak in my opinion because it is backed by zero french source and only some very marginal an never official sources in english. It's like doing a video on Tiber but only relying on chinese mandarin sources to claim "oh, people in Tibet like China so much that they would prefer to cut Tibet in dozen of little pieces".

  • @woooof_
    @woooof_ 4 года назад +2

    I have been waiting. Great to watch while stuccccc at home

  • @DC-zi6se
    @DC-zi6se 4 года назад +2

    This RUclipsr is one of the best out there. Here's a small request: buy a better mic, like blue yeti and please pad your room. The quality of audio would be much better.

    • @EmperorTigerstar
      @EmperorTigerstar  4 года назад +1

      Your neighborhood friend I am already using a yeti. As for a padded room, I only have an apartment so there’s no small room for me to pad to muffle sound.

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un 4 года назад +5

    Don’t forget about the time the Caribbean was divided between the West Indies Federation and those that didn’t join it

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 4 года назад

      Do you mean what if the other polities that didn't join the federation actually did?

    • @declannewton2556
      @declannewton2556 4 года назад

      The West Indies Federation never took off the ground to begin with.
      It merely existed as union of still colonies that hoped to become a federation.

  • @connorcompton9425
    @connorcompton9425 4 года назад

    Dear Emperor Tigerstar,
    Keep up the good work with the maps. Your maps provide an image of what were the boarders like in the past and I respect your passion for accuracy.
    Sincerely,
    Connor Compton

  • @richarddesbiens796
    @richarddesbiens796 4 года назад +1

    You did not mention that Alberta and saskatchewan also want to leave Canada

  • @jk1776yt
    @jk1776yt 3 года назад +1

    Great video. But couldn't you have covered the ultimate partition...if the CSA was successful and seceded from the Union?

  • @its_sun7906
    @its_sun7906 4 года назад +8

    I wish the partition of Alberta would finally happen for real

    • @lukeh2556
      @lukeh2556 4 года назад +1

      You mean divide itself up?

    • @mathlover4994
      @mathlover4994 4 года назад +1

      Wait? Provinces can secede because they are liberal or conservative? If so, the USA map would change in future too. Most of countries would change too if regions were allowed to secede for political reasons. Dont be stupid, Canada will never allow any province to secede. Look at Quebec, its like another country with their own culture and language but Canada did everything to keep them in Canada and you think they will allow some weak provinces like Alberta and Sask to secede just for political reasons. You're naive. Wake up

    • @its_sun7906
      @its_sun7906 4 года назад

      @@mathlover4994 math is dumb

  • @scottkrafft6830
    @scottkrafft6830 4 года назад +3

    My therapist: Thicc Virginia isn't real, it can't hurt you
    Thicc Virginia:

  • @mittim804
    @mittim804 4 года назад +2

    I think if Britain had gotten its way with maine and the additional portion were given to upper canada/quebec, the 20th century independence referendums would have passed off the additional votes of the people living there. If you look on population density maps, there's a sharp change in between northern Maine and the bordering portion of quebec; surely the francophones would have settled farther inland if they had the chance.

  • @demeterruinedmylife3199
    @demeterruinedmylife3199 4 года назад +3

    People said we are in the worst timeline, I say we don’t live in a timeline with these partitions is good enough for me.

  • @HamTransitHistory
    @HamTransitHistory 4 года назад +1

    You missed one. Part of Minnesota was disputed because the description of the border between lake Superior and the Lake of the Woods was unclear.

  • @Nod_Lucario
    @Nod_Lucario 4 года назад +2

    Imagine if Texas still looked like it's pre-partitioned self to this very day. Trying to get from one end of Texas to the other on car would be an utter nightmare.
    As if trying to get through the Texas we have today isn't a nightmare of itself to begin with, even if you're in dead center like in Bexar County and such.

  • @ivandinsmore6217
    @ivandinsmore6217 3 года назад +1

    Please make a video discussing all the proposals to partition Quebec. It would be very interesting.

  • @jared4walsh
    @jared4walsh 4 года назад +5

    Quebec independence referendum, 1995
    49.42% Rigged over the
    50.58%

    • @sauerkraut3421
      @sauerkraut3421 4 года назад +1

      @Shawn Bird Neither does anyone. In my opinion, both countries would probably do great.

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket 4 года назад

    Very interesting.
    Thank you.

  • @leocadieux6781
    @leocadieux6781 4 года назад +3

    I don’t know if it was on purpose or if it was an error, but at the moment when you speak of the two referendums of Québec, the photo for the 1995 one show Jean Chrétien and the No camp. It would have been nice to show Jacques Parizeau and/or Lucien Bouchard instead :)

  • @liamgardner2985
    @liamgardner2985 4 года назад +3

    There was also something weird with Michigan and Ohio right? Something to do with access to Lake Erie?

  • @METALLICTWISTER
    @METALLICTWISTER 4 года назад +2

    does the then disputed territory for oregon, washington, idaho (, and i think part of montana), and british columbia count as a partition

  • @manooxi327
    @manooxi327 4 года назад +1

    Tnx

  • @zozzy4630
    @zozzy4630 4 года назад +1

    I'm not sure about Bell's proposed partition of Texas along the Colorado, but (according to Knowing Better's research) there was a separate suggestion right after the Civil War to use the San Antonio River and call the northern state Jefferson and the southern state Lincoln (and then Matagorda).
    ruclips.net/video/xgDF77EBGnY/видео.html

  • @ludwigschneider2258
    @ludwigschneider2258 4 года назад +2

    Cold war Berlin...that actually made me laugh

  • @reeseman1932
    @reeseman1932 4 года назад +1

    I can think of a few partitions that happened in Africa and the Middle East

  • @Quietloud
    @Quietloud 4 года назад +1

    I'd be interested on getting a source on those partitions maps of Quebec

    • @MirejeLenoir4670
      @MirejeLenoir4670 4 года назад +2

      He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. Also, he has 0 french written source on Québec wich makes it a pretty poor research. It's like relying only on Israeli newspapers to make a video about Palestine. And then only choosing the most obscure papers.
      Nobody here wants to end up like the Balkan. 95% federalists would accept the democratic results like the other side did the last times the question was asked.

  • @Richard_is_cool
    @Richard_is_cool 4 года назад

    I like these kinds of videos, great job! (a comment from 2007)

  • @revinhatol
    @revinhatol 29 дней назад

    What about Northern Ontario?

  • @flawlessbinary7449
    @flawlessbinary7449 4 года назад +3

    Fighting over panhandles.

  • @stevenaudet
    @stevenaudet 4 года назад +1

    I lived on the south side of the St-Lawrence river in Canada close to the state of Maine. In one video you showed me I could have been American, in an independent Quebec (that I knew) and perhaps still in Canada with the Republic of Quebec to the north.

  • @michaeljung2270
    @michaeljung2270 4 года назад +1

    You forgot about the Oregon territory. The partition of that was also a compromise between the us and Canada. However, the us almost fought Canada for the territory north of the 49th parallel.

  • @LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard
    @LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard 4 года назад

    Pretty cool video. Thanks for sharing. LJL

  • @randomnesscreations6906
    @randomnesscreations6906 4 года назад +2

    54’40” Oregon Territory?

  • @Googledeservestodie
    @Googledeservestodie 4 года назад +1

    *Alternate History Hub logs in*

  • @BigSplenda1885
    @BigSplenda1885 Год назад

    Actually the change to the Maine border is VERY significant to people living in New Brunswick and the Maritimes of Canada, as now we must travel all the way north along the border of Maine just to enter Quebec and the rest of Western Canada, a significantly longer trip… instead of just driving more directly across what is now Northern Maine.

  • @user-iz3gv5vo6b
    @user-iz3gv5vo6b 2 года назад

    In the Alaska boundary dispute, the British representative Richard Everard Webster, 1st Viscount Alverstone sold out Canada.

  • @janitoalevic
    @janitoalevic 4 года назад

    Talk about The 1902 Andes Case between Chile & Argentina and the Puna de Atacama dispute

    • @janitoalevic
      @janitoalevic 4 года назад

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordillera_of_the_Andes_Boundary_Case_1902_(Argentina,_Chile) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puna_de_Atacama_dispute

  • @bowen1704
    @bowen1704 4 года назад +4

    Men and women are biologically meant for each other. Scientific fact

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 4 года назад +2

      What does this have to do with anything related to this video?

    • @bowen1704
      @bowen1704 4 года назад

      Game Hero The creator of it

  • @JaxxsonIndustries
    @JaxxsonIndustries 4 года назад +1

    You forgot the dispute with Guyana and Venezuela

  • @seanmcmanus2777
    @seanmcmanus2777 4 года назад +2

    I want East and West Montreal with a wall to keep the Anglos out.

    • @seanmcmanus2777
      @seanmcmanus2777 4 года назад

      @Rick K Yes because regular Canadian culture is Russian

    • @seanmcmanus2777
      @seanmcmanus2777 4 года назад

      @Memes For a guy named Memes you are taking my comments too seriously.

  • @michaelbrennan6123
    @michaelbrennan6123 4 года назад

    And for his efforts, Paraguay named one of their states Presidente Hayes after US President Hayes. Not much named for him in the USA other than maybe a high school.

  • @Lumberjack-fr6ve
    @Lumberjack-fr6ve 4 года назад

    I just got notified of this wow

  • @seancorbett9273
    @seancorbett9273 3 года назад

    Nice vid!!!!

  • @Auxodium
    @Auxodium 4 года назад

    the audio sounds like youre two rooms away. great vid but invest in a better mic?

  • @zro0480
    @zro0480 4 года назад +1

    Can you make Ostrogothic kingdom every year/month?🙏

  • @marschallblucher6197
    @marschallblucher6197 4 года назад +4

    Everyone likes Canada!
    Quebec: Ummmm... I don-
    Everyone: *This is a war crime!*

  • @chrisgurney2467
    @chrisgurney2467 4 года назад +1

    You ought to have mentioned that Maine exists as it was a partition of Massachusetts XD

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 4 года назад +1

    the state of Santa Anna would be a good name for the smaller Texas

  • @robertogrigolatto8565
    @robertogrigolatto8565 4 года назад +1

    Didn't Washington State want to split between the rural and urban areas?

  • @diphyllum8180
    @diphyllum8180 4 года назад

    Why don't you do a video about First Nations and other indigenous communities in the Americas who have declared their independence but who are not usually shown on the maps?

  • @lukenotfound9566
    @lukenotfound9566 4 года назад

    A bit before 1853 Utah was autonomous/independent i guess.

  • @politesse3914
    @politesse3914 4 года назад +4

    Some other would-be partitions that come to mind:
    - The US and Mexico both have a history of getting involved in and occasionally annexing parts of Central America and the Caribbean, as well as each other, resulting in potentially different national borders.
    - The many different models proposed for the partition of Mexico at the end of the Mexican-American Wars.
    - Or US states, in the still-possible case of Puerto Rico.
    - The ongoing dispute over the Northwest Passage: part of Canada or next to Canada?
    - Many wars and almost wars between the US and Canada.
    - Arizona and Utah have a disputed border between the Grand Canyon and the present border, and a famous land scuffle between the Paiutes and Navajo occurred nearby
    - Several colonies, like Quinnipiac, that might have become US states if they had not been extinguished by their neighbors earlier in history.
    - On a similar note, the Hopi land war.
    - The Chiapas war.
    - Ohio and Michigan almost went to war over a humorously small strip of land due to a surveying disagreement.
    -The would-be States of Jefferson or Cascadia in the Pacific Northwest
    -The disputed legal status and nature of the US Reservation and Canadian Reserve system, with some of the more powerful or recalcitrant indigenous nations claiming full political autonomy.
    - California occasionally floats unsuccessful but often locally popular bids for partition into smaller segments.

  • @AlejandroRodriguez-wl9ou
    @AlejandroRodriguez-wl9ou 3 года назад

    How do you make these maps?

  • @PlatineMapper
    @PlatineMapper 4 года назад +1

    Actually Paraguay could have been invaded by 30k men from the Republic of Entre Rios in 1820 so it could have been partitioned waaay before the War of the Triple Alliance

  • @user-yp2gg7uv3x
    @user-yp2gg7uv3x 4 года назад

    good video!

  • @iammrbeat
    @iammrbeat 4 года назад +2

    Texas is still way too big. Change my mind.

  • @MaunuValnu
    @MaunuValnu 4 года назад

    In Colombia one of our presidenta, Cipriano Mosquero, propose to make all colombia a state of the us

  • @hotwax9376
    @hotwax9376 4 года назад

    Where is the map from 1:21 from?

  • @EddieBurke
    @EddieBurke 4 года назад +1

    The SGM Soundfont piano in the background is really stanky

  • @jankupka9106
    @jankupka9106 4 года назад

    Will you make new part of Horrible maps ?

  • @samuelcruzdeazambuja6128
    @samuelcruzdeazambuja6128 4 года назад +1

    My hot chocolate will be ready in a few minutes. Hmm... What to do while waiting?
    Perfect.

  • @davidmeyer3795
    @davidmeyer3795 4 года назад +1

    Argentina wanted more land? Color me shocked. I mean colour me shocked

  • @compatriot852
    @compatriot852 4 года назад

    Could you do a video regarding potential partitions of the Balkans?

  • @emreahmet167
    @emreahmet167 4 года назад

    The borders is weird today too, look columbia, brazil, peru border. Look idaho. Look michigan.

  • @supremeleadercora
    @supremeleadercora 3 года назад

    There have been insurgencies in basically every state of Mexico. Not sure if secessionism counts as a partition.

  • @kadenvanciel9335
    @kadenvanciel9335 4 года назад

    Maybe after the Middle East, talk about the European/Japanese spheres of influence in China during the late 19th Century. France had a sphere consisting of the three Chinese provinces adjacent to French Indochina. Britain had a sphere consisting of Tibet, Hong Kong, and a strip of territory along the Yangtze River. Germany had Qingdao. Do you guys get the idea?