Probably have to go prior to the Berlin Conference then for it to be interesting. Cause once that happened, the way Africa was partitioned was pretty much set in stone so nobody had to go to war.
@@DaveMiller6042 he made a video about Oceania but not South America... THAT'S BULLSHIT. And I think Brazil would be a Great Power if it had somehow industrialized earlier and if Dom Pedro I wasn't stupid
2:53 Fun fact, Paraguay named a city and a whole state/administrative department(and a football club!) in honor of Hayes because he was the one interceding for Paraguay's continuous existence and opposing the outright annexation en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidente_Hayes_Department They also have a holliday about it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudo_Hayes_Firm_Day
@@felps1917 One of the worst is kinda unfair, terribly average, sure, but it's not like he tried to pull unjustifiable stuff like killing the country's youth invading impoverished middle eastern countries
TurkoosiTerapsidi The name is based off the river Paraguay which got its name from the guaraní language from the natives of the region. The name means something along the lines of “born of water” or “the river that gives birth to the sea”
i mean there were mutinies in the Argentine Army because few people wanted to fight Paraguay, they even wanted to fight Brazil instead because it had been our historical enemy, so perhaps an alternative scenario would be the federal revolts winning and Argentina joining Paraguay's side then
Gran Colombia broke up. Then there is the short lived nation of Los Altos. It was made up of the higher elevations of Guatemala which it had broken free from Guatemala. It was even part of the Central American Federation. When the federation broke up, Guatemala came knocking. The Guatemalan forces wiped out the entire government of los Altos. Map of Los Altos (its in grey) - www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/centramerica/upca.gif - That narrow part of Los Altos next to the Pacific ocean is called Soconusco. They joined Los Altos in 1824. Later on, with Los Altos re-annexed by Guatemala, Mexico annexed Soconusco which joined the Mexican state of Chiapas.
Imagine all that universal healthcare in there right now, eh?. (insert dream sequence of: no hospital fees fro treatment + hockey + maple syrup) You're welcome, buddy!
Slice and dice and land is divided trice Texas partitions in a nutshell. Paraguay fighting 2 of the most powerful nations in South America and losing 90% of its population was certainly a *big brain moment for Lopez*
The war although officially declared first by Lopez was already a thing Brazil, Argentina and colorado Uruguay were preparing a year before it was declared by Lopez, here in Paraguay we know it as the "secret treaty" so the war is not only Lopez's fault, but he could have done something to prevent it.
Yeah people give a really unfair representation to Paraguay there. Brazil and Argentina invaded Paraguay's ally Uruguay and put in a government that allied them instead of Paraguay.
For Quebec, the validity of the last referendum is very doubtful. Canada did a huge propaganda before it and also relied on the massive mobilization of the English minority, in reality the French Canadians in large majority wanted to become independant...kind of like Catalonia nowadays.
I thought you'd also mention in the paraguayan conflict the dispute between Brazil and Argentina that started right after the Triple Alliance War over the Misiones Territory. The "Misiones" are that long corridor territory then completely held by Argentina, but disputed with Brazil, which claimed it should be part of the "Paraná" state. The Argentinians were happy to partition it, in exchange for some beneficial trade deal, but brazilian Emperor Pedro II said "it's either ours, in which case we should'nt yield an inch, or its theirs, in which case wouldn't be fair to claim an inch of land that does not belong to us", and so the dispute lingered. It would be sort of resolved after the Republican Coup. By that time, without the emperor's meddling, Brazil accepted a partition and both presidents of Argentina and Brazil called upon the US president Grover Cleveland to arbitrate the issue. Cleveland decided upon a very favorable position for Brazil, and so it was nicely divided in the Brazil-Argentina borders we have today, and in the newly acquired territory Brazil renamed a city to "Clevelândia", in Grover's honor. I like to imagine how the borders would look today, had it been decided by the time of Pedro II, either fully brazilian or fully argentinian.
In fact Argentina was claming territories west of 2 rivers they thought were futher east but when the border was going to be settled they realized those rivers were actually further west than they thought. Typical argentinian situation
I think, if Paraguay has disappeared it would fight back to regain its independence. I know the war began because of the mess the Paraguayan dictator did, but it think it's not good to take land from a country.
Brazil never wanted Paraguay to disappear. It feared having too big a border with Argentina, and too few neighbors to maneuver in case of a war with Buenos Aires.
Turning Texas into basically 1945 Germany would’ve been very weird. Weird borders. I just can’t see Montreal divided like Cold War Berlin either but it would be eerie
The partition movement in Québec never got any serious support from any political party. Like, pretty pretty much everyone agrees that if Québec has to leave or to stay, it will leave or stay as a whole. The partition of Québec does not really give any political gain to anyone. Nobody wants small chunks of Québec that have, for themselves no real or vital value except as a revenge tool. Like, nobody would fight to get a chunk of Siberia. I find also funny that using only english speaking sources, you never came across those who want to add tu Québec the disputed frontiers of Labrador and the french speaking areas of New Brunswick and Ontario that border Québec :P These are as unlikely to happen has cutting Montreal in two or giving Canada chunks of northern Québec that have no transportation and communication infrastructures.
Even if no party seriously supports partitioning a secessionist Quebec, it will happen regardless. The vast northern portion of Quebec is inhabited by Natives who aren't interested at all in the ideals of the secessionism of the Francophone Quebecois.
@@declannewton2556 Ok so ? That's democracy, you can't opt out from every decision. Thus, they would become a new canadian territory, without the advantages of being within a province, with no international airport, almost no roads and no port. Becoming a canadian enclave within Québec is not worth it neither feasable. They have no interest into doing that. Furthurmore, they cut some very lucrative deals with Québec governement over dam construction. Even if some of them don't like it, i can't see what interest they would have and keeping them would cost a fortune for the Canadain governement only to create bad neighbors. I see only negative points for every party involved.
@@MirejeLenoir4670 It's more than simply "opting out" of a decision because you didn't like the outcome. Quebec secessionism is motivated solely by French interests. Why should Native Canadians just go along with the ride. If Quebec can secede, why can't the natives secede from Quebec? You underestimated how unpopulated Quebec is. The majority of Quebec's land is sparsely populated by Natives. This vast area of Native land extends all the way to Ontario's border; so a native province would not be an enclave. Being a self governing territory is probably better than have no say in a foreign republic. The simple foundations of secessionism in Quebec is enough a reasob for the majority of Natives to opt out. There's also the issue ofpf treaties. Many tribes in Quebec signed land treaties with the crown. As seen in BC, obscure land treaties can cause massive conflict and opposition from natives groups. An independent Quebec would render all those treaties invalid. Imagine the opposition to that. Simply, it's better to let the Natives stay.
Interesting video, but it is rather important to specify that this idea of the partition of Québec in the various regions where they voted "No" was rather a minor debate in 1995. Also, it was mainly used by the "No" camp to foster fear and to keep Québec inside Canada. I think more people were afraid of Canada breaking up as a whole than Québec splitting inside since mainly Montréal is linguistically and ethnically divided (and that's where the "No" camp was stronger with the Western part of Outaouais). Technically, it was not possible to split these regions since they don't have the power over territorial administration. We could add that autochthonous people would have probably tried to settle something with either Québec or Canada, but they were not backing any political side in this debate. In the end, Canada and various International Organizations recognized that Quebec's territorial integrity, in case of independence, is "untouchable" (in theory again). We could add one last thing: Newfoundland, when they entered the federation, was granted Labrador, which belonged to Québec at that time. So, in the case of Québec's independence, they could also play this card.
The video is poorly made and poorly sourced. Partition has no serious political backing of any sorts and would only create loosers on every side if it was to happen.
Surprised you didnt mention that, had Quebec broken away from Canada, there were talks about Saskatchewan also becoming independent or even being annexed by the United States.
An actual study by the Canadian federal government projected that between 1995 and 2020, BC would become its own country, the Western provinces and Atlantic Canada would join the US, and for economic reasons Ontario and Quebec would remerge.
@@ZontarDow I doubt Quebec and Ontario could ''remerge'' considering they were never merged. Yet, the main issue with the independence mouvement of Quebec in Canada is that Montreal, and the Saint-Lawrence remains the main access to the Atlantic. Indeed, the Port of Montreal, a city 1500 km inland is the 2nd biggest port in Canada by far, just behind Vancouver, and there are 4 of the 10 provinces (9 excluding Quebec) that are east of the province. Plus, let's not forget how the Northern Territories gets most of their shipments (Montreal). It's hard to say, but there are no Canada without Quebec, and I really doubt Quebec being independent was ever really an option for Canada.
@@matthewhemmings2464 erm aktchually (4 years later) technically Ontario and Quebec were at one point merged. After the Durnham report upper and lower Canada got unified into one colony. absolute disaster that was.
A partitioned Quebec is an odd idea non-Quebecois keep bringing up given the government made it clear it was all in, or all out, and there'd have likely been a major exodus of Anglos had the Yes vote won.
@Zontar You are right, the video is pooly made, one-sided and relies solely on obscure english sources. Even the most pro-Ottawa of all do not want partition. He almost made up the topic of his video.
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I think if Britain had gotten its way with maine and the additional portion were given to upper canada/quebec, the 20th century independence referendums would have passed off the additional votes of the people living there. If you look on population density maps, there's a sharp change in between northern Maine and the bordering portion of quebec; surely the francophones would have settled farther inland if they had the chance.
Fun Fact: during colonial times, the colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had an ongoing dispute over where their border lay. Maryland’s claims protruded north far enough that Philadelphia would have become apart of Maryland, and Pennsylvania’s claim went as far south as the northernmost stretches of the Chesapeake. Eventually, things got so heated that bands of citizens took arms and either ventured north or south to harass others in what came to be known as the Cresaps War (very interesting read to anyone who is interested in early American history). Eventually, militias were raised to stop the violence and the Mason Dixon line was established to create an official border line. That Mason Dixon line would go on to be known as the border between North and South USA.
At least CGP Grey's got you covered (assuming you meant the Lake of the Woods lol). Oh and the channel Knowing Better has done a few videos on US borders and he mentioned the proposed state of Superior
This RUclipsr is one of the best out there. Here's a small request: buy a better mic, like blue yeti and please pad your room. The quality of audio would be much better.
Your neighborhood friend I am already using a yeti. As for a padded room, I only have an apartment so there’s no small room for me to pad to muffle sound.
Another partition that you could've mentioned is in the pacific northwest/cascadia. In real life the partition gave canada modern day british columbia and america idaho, washington state and oregon, but what could've instead happened is either britian would get all of oregon territory, america would get all of oregon territory or britian could of got everything west of the columbia river and america would get everything else.
Imagine if Texas still looked like it's pre-partitioned self to this very day. Trying to get from one end of Texas to the other on car would be an utter nightmare. As if trying to get through the Texas we have today isn't a nightmare of itself to begin with, even if you're in dead center like in Bexar County and such.
4:30 this map, and any other hypothetical partition of quebec that breaks the southern bank of the st Lawrence River off is just completely bizarre, given if you actually look at the referendum results, the southern bank of the st Lawrence was pretty overwhelming in favor of yes. In other words, breaking it off would be like if when Britain granted ireland it's independence, if they just took the entire coastline of Ireland, irrespective of what they voted for. Sure, it might have some practical purposes, just as retaining a land route to the maritime may have some practical purposes as well, but the politics of forcefully keeping a region that voted overwhelmingly in favor of independence after a successful provincewide vote for independence would more then outway the benefits.
I'm not sure about Bell's proposed partition of Texas along the Colorado, but (according to Knowing Better's research) there was a separate suggestion right after the Civil War to use the San Antonio River and call the northern state Jefferson and the southern state Lincoln (and then Matagorda). ruclips.net/video/xgDF77EBGnY/видео.html
The problem with Québec separating, is that most québequers don't realize that the majority of Québec, especially in the north, are federal lands, not provincial lands! Therefore the country of Québec would actually end up being a small sliver along the St Lawrence seaway. They don't realize that since they couldn't survive financially, eventually the US would gobble them up and assimilate them and then POOF, there goes French in north America, JUST because québecers, with their blinders on, didn't think things through. Yes they would be assimilated just like the millions of francophones who moved to the States... Are they speaking French today? NOPE! The same thing would eventually happen to québecers within one or two generations.
Forget the US taking them over, that'd be expensive, complicated and unpopular, and I doubt they'd stop speaking French, St Pierre and Miquelon is a small French enclave on the coast of Newfoundland that still speaks their own language, despite needing a lot of support from Canada. A Republic of Quebec would likely remain a disenfranchised rump state for a long time because it lacks a lot of the independent infrastructure, physical and institutional, that a country needs, and the instability of a new government would send businesses running from Quebec for Canada or the United States, much like the FLQ crisis sent businesses fleeing for Toronto in the 1970s. Quebec independence today isn't popular, so it's not a likely scenario anymore.
He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. The video is weak in my opinion because it is backed by zero french source and only some very marginal an never official sources in english. It's like doing a video on Tiber but only relying on chinese mandarin sources to claim "oh, people in Tibet like China so much that they would prefer to cut Tibet in dozen of little pieces".
You forgot about the Oregon territory. The partition of that was also a compromise between the us and Canada. However, the us almost fought Canada for the territory north of the 49th parallel.
Wait? Provinces can secede because they are liberal or conservative? If so, the USA map would change in future too. Most of countries would change too if regions were allowed to secede for political reasons. Dont be stupid, Canada will never allow any province to secede. Look at Quebec, its like another country with their own culture and language but Canada did everything to keep them in Canada and you think they will allow some weak provinces like Alberta and Sask to secede just for political reasons. You're naive. Wake up
Actually the change to the Maine border is VERY significant to people living in New Brunswick and the Maritimes of Canada, as now we must travel all the way north along the border of Maine just to enter Quebec and the rest of Western Canada, a significantly longer trip… instead of just driving more directly across what is now Northern Maine.
I don’t know if it was on purpose or if it was an error, but at the moment when you speak of the two referendums of Québec, the photo for the 1995 one show Jean Chrétien and the No camp. It would have been nice to show Jacques Parizeau and/or Lucien Bouchard instead :)
lol the maps of quebec partition are a joke baie jame whould be part of canadaand 95 % of the population of french quebecers whould still live in canada XD .. the partition was for all of the province thos maps are probably suggestion made by ottawa for partition if quebec whould have voted for independance and no one whould have accepted thos terms in the partie québecois !!!
Actually Paraguay could have been invaded by 30k men from the Republic of Entre Rios in 1820 so it could have been partitioned waaay before the War of the Triple Alliance
You missed out the Oregon boundary dispute. The original setting of the 49th parallel as the border only extended to the continental divide in the Rockies; beyond that it was still to be determined. In the meantime, British fur traders were operating in the area of the Columbia River and much of what later became Washington State was under some amount of British influence. The main British claim was to the area north of the Columbia west of its meeting of the 49th, though an earlier claim had included the area north of the Snake River as well east to the continental divide and along it northwards to the 49th. In 1818 an American diplomat had offered the area draining into Puget Sound and the Olympic Penisula (i.e. the 49th west to the Cascades divide), but the British at that time were still after the Columbia boundary. In the 1840s the Americans now rejected their previous Puget Sound compromise and instead the border ended up with the 49th all the way, including the arguably silly inclusion of Point Roberts as American territory.
I lived on the south side of the St-Lawrence river in Canada close to the state of Maine. In one video you showed me I could have been American, in an independent Quebec (that I knew) and perhaps still in Canada with the Republic of Quebec to the north.
And for his efforts, Paraguay named one of their states Presidente Hayes after US President Hayes. Not much named for him in the USA other than maybe a high school.
Oh I know a lot of them from Mexico: - Practically all of Central America got its independence from Mexico in 1823 after the fiasco of the First Mexican Empire post independence. Mexico didn't have the means to force them back. - In the 1840's there where attempts from secession to join the Texas club and form independent countries. -- Rio Grande Republic (three Mexican states south of Texas). -- Yucatan Republic (three Mexican states today). These never flew because of the first one being defeated by government forces and the second reuniting do to the Caste War (Mayas rebelled and started killing everyone) destroying their economic viability. - The southern most state of Mexico, Chiapas, was divided between being part of Mexico or the United Provinces of Central America after the events of 1823. Some internal infighting later, the former choice was taken. - The Soconusco region in that same state was disputed with Guatemala up the 1880s and was famously settled with German immigrants. - Mexico recognized the existence of Belize until the 1900's. Otherwise it claimed the northern third of the former British Honduras as part of the Territory of Quintana Roo (today a state). Guatemala claimed the southern two thirds of the colony. It maintains the claim to this day. - The dispute to where the Texas border actually was is what eventually led to the Mexican-American War in 1846. Mexico claimed the Rio Nueces while the USA claimed the Rio Grande. - After the Mexican-American War, there were many opinions of what to do with Mexico: -- The most extreme wanted to annex ALL of Mexico as a protectorate/territory/something, since the idea was that eventually all of the Americas will become part of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Eventually it will be divided into states. Many opposed this idea since it would mean A LOT of slave states, save another compromise came about. It also mean a giant addition of population, which practically all of them were Catholics. Not an option. -- President Polk wanted to annex, apart from Alta California and Nuevo México, the states of Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and the northern parts of Sinaloa, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis and Veracruz plus all of Baja California. Same reasons as above made this not fly. He scaled this back but instructed his ambassador to get the most he could, and all of Baja was a must. His ambassador disagreed to leave Mexico a rump state. Alta California and Nuevo México had very low population, but taking all other areas were already integral parts of the country and this would leave open a lot of revanchism in the future. Baja was also left to Mexico since the Mexican delegation claimed it needed the ports to protect its coast and the USA already had the port of San Diego anyway. So that was that. Polk was much displeased. - The Gadsen Purschase took place in 1854, which practically ended Santa Anna's (the bad guy in the Alamo movie with Dennis Quaid) political career. "Vende patrias" (Motherland seller) is still an insult you will maybe rarely hear in Mexico hurdled towards incompetent politicians bending the knee to foreign demands. That's all I could remember so far.
"Practically all of Central America got its independence from Mexico in 1823 after the fiasco of the First Mexican Empire post independence. Mexico didn't have the means to force them back." But they did snatch away Chiapas, which is basically Guatemala's brother province.
Chiapas was not snatched. They had a referendum in Chiapas on September 12, 1824 on whether they should join Mexico or Guatemala. Early on, Chiapas was administratively tied to Guatemala but for years had been overlooked by them. Mexican figures say 95.000 voted to join Mexico. While 60.000 wanted to join Guatemala. Around 15 people voted neutral. When it comes to the US - Mexican war, the US wanted a quick end to the war especially after reaching the Pacific. Each day the war with Mexico dragged on, the Mexicans would not give up, the US war debt kept increasing. Remember, US only ever had at most 30.000 troops inside of Mexico proper. That is why Mexico city was attacked and taken. US though taking the Mexican capital would force an end to the war. When the war ended so did the guerrilla attacks. Going back, in wanting a quick end to the war the US decided on not dragging on the treaty talks, thus the claim for Baja California was dropped. After the war ended, the US sold the Mexican government weapons at half price so that they could maintain effective control of Mexico. US also allowed Mexican merchants to sell products to US troops. All this was done because they did not want the former guerrillas and ordinary people that were not happy with the politicians in Mexico city (which was made up of the elites) to destabilize Mexico.
He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. Also, he has 0 french written source on Québec wich makes it a pretty poor research. It's like relying only on Israeli newspapers to make a video about Palestine. And then only choosing the most obscure papers. Nobody here wants to end up like the Balkan. 95% federalists would accept the democratic results like the other side did the last times the question was asked.
Some other would-be partitions that come to mind: - The US and Mexico both have a history of getting involved in and occasionally annexing parts of Central America and the Caribbean, as well as each other, resulting in potentially different national borders. - The many different models proposed for the partition of Mexico at the end of the Mexican-American Wars. - Or US states, in the still-possible case of Puerto Rico. - The ongoing dispute over the Northwest Passage: part of Canada or next to Canada? - Many wars and almost wars between the US and Canada. - Arizona and Utah have a disputed border between the Grand Canyon and the present border, and a famous land scuffle between the Paiutes and Navajo occurred nearby - Several colonies, like Quinnipiac, that might have become US states if they had not been extinguished by their neighbors earlier in history. - On a similar note, the Hopi land war. - The Chiapas war. - Ohio and Michigan almost went to war over a humorously small strip of land due to a surveying disagreement. -The would-be States of Jefferson or Cascadia in the Pacific Northwest -The disputed legal status and nature of the US Reservation and Canadian Reserve system, with some of the more powerful or recalcitrant indigenous nations claiming full political autonomy. - California occasionally floats unsuccessful but often locally popular bids for partition into smaller segments.
Maybe after the Middle East, talk about the European/Japanese spheres of influence in China during the late 19th Century. France had a sphere consisting of the three Chinese provinces adjacent to French Indochina. Britain had a sphere consisting of Tibet, Hong Kong, and a strip of territory along the Yangtze River. Germany had Qingdao. Do you guys get the idea?
Why don't you do a video about First Nations and other indigenous communities in the Americas who have declared their independence but who are not usually shown on the maps?
@@reillywalker195 Newsflash: Most, if not all of the time, you get the bill *after* you get the service. Also, insurance. Insurance will basically pay for all of the bill, and if you can't afford insurance, welfare works.
There was also another dispute in the state of washington. Canada, which was part of Britain at the time, said that the northern fork of the Columbia river should be the border, which would likely make The remaining bit of Washington unable to support itself, possibly becoming a part of Idaho or Oregon. Another dispute in Washington, the Pig War, occurred when it became apparent that the treaty stating the northwestern border between Canada and America did not make it clear whether the Strait it mentioned was Haro strait, as America claimed, or Rosario strait, which Britain claimed. The land in between the two suggested borders was the San Juan islands.It nearly escalated into a war when the pig of an American settler was found eating the potatoes of a British settler. Britain attempted to force the American settler to pay a heavy fine, and the American settlers called for military protection. Sixty-six American troops and a few cannons were sent to the islands. Britain sent troops, and both sides kept sending more and more troops until there was four hundred and sixty-one American troops with fourteen cannons occupying the islands, and two thousand one hundred and forty British troops with seventy cannons standing by in five warships. The Governor of Vancouver island, James Douglas, ordered the British troops to attack, but they refused. Eventually, officials in Washington DC and London heard about it, and agreed to have Kaiser Wilhelm I to decide who got the islands. He chose America, and the islands still belong to America today. For more in-depth information, I would suggest the Wikipedia article titled “ Pig War”
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How about "Scrambles of Africa that Almost Happened", showing all claims of every colonial power which took part in this.
The Pink Map intensifies
Well Portugal claimed Rhodesia for a while, and the Germans of course had interests in the East and West African coasts.
That would be assome
That vid would be a year long...
Probably have to go prior to the Berlin Conference then for it to be interesting. Cause once that happened, the way Africa was partitioned was pretty much set in stone so nobody had to go to war.
Tigerstar: Paraguay being gobbled up would be a very interesting scenario.
AlternateHistoryHub: *script writing and research intensifies*
Alternate history hub never cares about South America :(
@@ocurtamemes1477 cause south America doesn't have that much of a impact on world history.
He did make a video on the Paraguay war, but he deleted it for some reason.
@@DaveMiller6042 he made a video about Oceania but not South America... THAT'S BULLSHIT. And I think Brazil would be a Great Power if it had somehow industrialized earlier and if Dom Pedro I wasn't stupid
ShadoSnake Yes. The best.
"They wanted to prevent something like a civil war"
Hah, imagine thinking _that_ would happen
Yea that's like a a seacon World war happening only 20 years after the first one...
The civil war? Huh? What is that, never heard of it on this channel before.
Epic fail
The worst partition: Roman Empire
second worst partition: Eastern Roman Empire
Don't make me cry.
@Massachusetts Mapping 2020 No, ERE ftw
Laude Invicta Roman>Byzantine>Greek> Eastern Roman
I beg to differ, How about India and Pakistan ?
2:53 Fun fact, Paraguay named a city and a whole state/administrative department(and a football club!) in honor of Hayes because he was the one interceding for Paraguay's continuous existence and opposing the outright annexation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidente_Hayes_Department
They also have a holliday about it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudo_Hayes_Firm_Day
For one of the worst USA presidents, he's very loved and praised in country he's never set a foot
@@felps1917 One of the worst is kinda unfair, terribly average, sure, but it's not like he tried to pull unjustifiable stuff like killing the country's youth invading impoverished middle eastern countries
Mexico did the same once the republica be in the North drive the Spanish and Portuguese from the South
Bit like kyiffv or whatever it's called today I was brought up with that as kiev and it was in Russia now they are about to join the eu
Poland: *I am once again asking for your independence support*
…from #NATO!!
@@Perririri can't wait to see poland leave NATO and immediately get Ukraine'd.
@@Perriririur comment didn’t age well
Paraguay still has places named after Rutherford Hayes.
We got a province and its capital with the name Presidente Hayes
I'd hope so after he kept the country existing.
What Paraguai name mean?
TurkoosiTerapsidi The name is based off the river Paraguay which got its name from the guaraní language from the natives of the region. The name means something along the lines of “born of water” or “the river that gives birth to the sea”
@@mojojanji1976 Thank, thats good informatio.
"There was some talk of Canada keeping parts of Quebec that voted against independence"
Northern Ireland: "Don't do it!"
heh
What if Paraguay won the Paraguayan war? Might be an interesting HOI4 mod.
Lopezreich.
Nah its just south america what do you expect
What if Paraguay didn't declare on Argentina sounds better
Paraguay-Uruguay Confederacy a la United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway.
flyingkoopa45 yeah I wish the devs in the Great War mod update it
i mean there were mutinies in the Argentine Army because few people wanted to fight Paraguay, they even wanted to fight Brazil instead because it had been our historical enemy, so perhaps an alternative scenario would be the federal revolts winning and Argentina joining Paraguay's side then
So basically, the partitions were only in:
USA, Canada and Paraguay
Bolivia also lost a lot of territory including their access to the Pacific.
@@Gabriel-vv4ug "few years before 1900" Rio grande do Sul tried breaking away in 1835, that's more than a few years before 1900
Lúzia A Morta Tried, the separatists never conquered the capital of the province, that was also the largest City.
@Lúzia A Morta They tried breaking away but failed
Gran Colombia broke up. Then there is the short lived nation of Los Altos. It was made up of the higher elevations of Guatemala which it had broken free from Guatemala. It was even part of the Central American Federation. When the federation broke up, Guatemala came knocking. The Guatemalan forces wiped out the entire government of los Altos. Map of Los Altos (its in grey) - www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/centramerica/upca.gif -
That narrow part of Los Altos next to the Pacific ocean is called Soconusco. They joined Los Altos in 1824. Later on, with Los Altos re-annexed by Guatemala, Mexico annexed Soconusco which joined the Mexican state of Chiapas.
Canadians: *see America taking parts of Canada* "DISGUSTING."
Canadians *see Canada taking parts of the US* "Perfection."
Imagine all that universal healthcare in there right now, eh?. (insert dream sequence of: no hospital fees fro treatment + hockey + maple syrup)
You're welcome, buddy!
Canada is in Amerika, so Amerika kan no take part of Canada.
@@turkoositerapsidi So why did Murica take Hawaii?
OH! FREEDOM! (I forgot :/ )
stevenaudet well universal doesn’t mean good healthcare
@@stevenaudet You men USA? Usa occupied it because they love imperialism over anything else, just like the arabs and british.
Slice and dice and land is divided trice Texas partitions in a nutshell.
Paraguay fighting 2 of the most powerful nations in South America and losing 90% of its population was certainly a *big brain moment for Lopez*
Wasn't it 90% of the male population?
The war although officially declared first by Lopez was already a thing Brazil, Argentina and colorado Uruguay were preparing a year before it was declared by Lopez, here in Paraguay we know it as the "secret treaty" so the war is not only Lopez's fault, but he could have done something to prevent it.
@@Dwagoner it was around 90% of MALE population, total population was reduced to 60-70% which is still a lot
Yeah people give a really unfair representation to Paraguay there. Brazil and Argentina invaded Paraguay's ally Uruguay and put in a government that allied them instead of Paraguay.
You should cover The Republic of the Rio Grande, a partition idea of various northern Mexican states and part of texas
it wasn’t a partition it was a rebellion
For Quebec, the validity of the last referendum is very doubtful. Canada did a huge propaganda before it and also relied on the massive mobilization of the English minority, in reality the French Canadians in large majority wanted to become independant...kind of like Catalonia nowadays.
I thought you'd also mention in the paraguayan conflict the dispute between Brazil and Argentina that started right after the Triple Alliance War over the Misiones Territory.
The "Misiones" are that long corridor territory then completely held by Argentina, but disputed with Brazil, which claimed it should be part of the "Paraná" state.
The Argentinians were happy to partition it, in exchange for some beneficial trade deal, but brazilian Emperor Pedro II said "it's either ours, in which case we should'nt yield an inch, or its theirs, in which case wouldn't be fair to claim an inch of land that does not belong to us", and so the dispute lingered.
It would be sort of resolved after the Republican Coup. By that time, without the emperor's meddling, Brazil accepted a partition and both presidents of Argentina and Brazil called upon the US president Grover Cleveland to arbitrate the issue.
Cleveland decided upon a very favorable position for Brazil, and so it was nicely divided in the Brazil-Argentina borders we have today, and in the newly acquired territory Brazil renamed a city to "Clevelândia", in Grover's honor.
I like to imagine how the borders would look today, had it been decided by the time of Pedro II, either fully brazilian or fully argentinian.
In fact Argentina was claming territories west of 2 rivers they thought were futher east but when the border was going to be settled they realized those rivers were actually further west than they thought. Typical argentinian situation
I think, if Paraguay has disappeared it would fight back to regain its independence. I know the war began because of the mess the Paraguayan dictator did, but it think it's not good to take land from a country.
You forgot about the huge chunk of Quebec that was "given" to Newfoundland without Quebec's approval!
Labrabor was given to Newfoundland for "fishermans"!
Tall Maine doesn’t exist. It can’t hurt you.
Tall Maine:
Nor Tiny Maine
Brazil never wanted Paraguay to disappear. It feared having too big a border with Argentina, and too few neighbors to maneuver in case of a war with Buenos Aires.
Turning Texas into basically 1945 Germany would’ve been very weird. Weird borders. I just can’t see Montreal divided like Cold War Berlin either but it would be eerie
i know it's been two years, but, how did you mix Quebec with Texas?
Any reason why you didn't cover the partition of the oregon territory when talking about the US canada border?
Love your video essays
Another one you missed for Canada was the original proposal for Nunavut in 1976. It would have stretched across the North to the Yukon River
The last time I was this early the Balkans were stable...
so never.
The time before humans first settled in the Balkans: Am I a joke to you?
It was when it was split between the Austrian Empire and the Ottoman Empire before the Napoleonic Wars
It was stable during the Roman times
@The Nova renaissance who*
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The partition movement in Québec never got any serious support from any political party. Like, pretty pretty much everyone agrees that if Québec has to leave or to stay, it will leave or stay as a whole.
The partition of Québec does not really give any political gain to anyone. Nobody wants small chunks of Québec that have, for themselves no real or vital value except as a revenge tool. Like, nobody would fight to get a chunk of Siberia.
I find also funny that using only english speaking sources, you never came across those who want to add tu Québec the disputed frontiers of Labrador and the french speaking areas of New Brunswick and Ontario that border Québec :P These are as unlikely to happen has cutting Montreal in two or giving Canada chunks of northern Québec that have no transportation and communication infrastructures.
No serious politician in Canada ever said "If I lose a referendum, my house will stay/leave Canada because my house voted no/yes". This is fantasy.
Even if no party seriously supports partitioning a secessionist Quebec, it will happen regardless.
The vast northern portion of Quebec is inhabited by Natives who aren't interested at all in the ideals of the secessionism of the Francophone Quebecois.
@@declannewton2556 Ok so ? That's democracy, you can't opt out from every decision. Thus, they would become a new canadian territory, without the advantages of being within a province, with no international airport, almost no roads and no port. Becoming a canadian enclave within Québec is not worth it neither feasable. They have no interest into doing that. Furthurmore, they cut some very lucrative deals with Québec governement over dam construction. Even if some of them don't like it, i can't see what interest they would have and keeping them would cost a fortune for the Canadain governement only to create bad neighbors. I see only negative points for every party involved.
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It's more than simply "opting out" of a decision because you didn't like the outcome. Quebec secessionism is motivated solely by French interests. Why should Native Canadians just go along with the ride. If Quebec can secede, why can't the natives secede from Quebec?
You underestimated how unpopulated Quebec is. The majority of Quebec's land is sparsely populated by Natives. This vast area of Native land extends all the way to Ontario's border; so a native province would not be an enclave.
Being a self governing territory is probably better than have no say in a foreign republic.
The simple foundations of secessionism in Quebec is enough a reasob for the majority of Natives to opt out. There's also the issue ofpf treaties. Many tribes in Quebec signed land treaties with the crown. As seen in BC, obscure land treaties can cause massive conflict and opposition from natives groups. An independent Quebec would render all those treaties invalid. Imagine the opposition to that.
Simply, it's better to let the Natives stay.
@@declannewton2556 The natives can decide whatever they want but there is no automatism to it.
Interesting video, but it is rather important to specify that this idea of the partition of Québec in the various regions where they voted "No" was rather a minor debate in 1995. Also, it was mainly used by the "No" camp to foster fear and to keep Québec inside Canada. I think more people were afraid of Canada breaking up as a whole than Québec splitting inside since mainly Montréal is linguistically and ethnically divided (and that's where the "No" camp was stronger with the Western part of Outaouais). Technically, it was not possible to split these regions since they don't have the power over territorial administration. We could add that autochthonous people would have probably tried to settle something with either Québec or Canada, but they were not backing any political side in this debate. In the end, Canada and various International Organizations recognized that Quebec's territorial integrity, in case of independence, is "untouchable" (in theory again). We could add one last thing: Newfoundland, when they entered the federation, was granted Labrador, which belonged to Québec at that time. So, in the case of Québec's independence, they could also play this card.
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It’s also worth noting that the Indigenous within Quebec made it clear they weren’t leaving Canada.
@@adamburnett2577 Absolutely! You are right, but we should not interpret this position as a pro-federalism claim.
The video is poorly made and poorly sourced. Partition has no serious political backing of any sorts and would only create loosers on every side if it was to happen.
In my home state of Nebraska, there is a partition that might happen in the future. A lot of people in the panhandle want to join Wyoming.
Bruh, that's dumb
I doubt its that many
@@Distress. I mean, 5 people voting yes would probably be a majority.
Brutus the Bear XD
Why-oming?
Surprised you didnt mention that, had Quebec broken away from Canada, there were talks about Saskatchewan also becoming independent or even being annexed by the United States.
An actual study by the Canadian federal government projected that between 1995 and 2020, BC would become its own country, the Western provinces and Atlantic Canada would join the US, and for economic reasons Ontario and Quebec would remerge.
@@ZontarDow I doubt Quebec and Ontario could ''remerge'' considering they were never merged. Yet, the main issue with the independence mouvement of Quebec in Canada is that Montreal, and the Saint-Lawrence remains the main access to the Atlantic. Indeed, the Port of Montreal, a city 1500 km inland is the 2nd biggest port in Canada by far, just behind Vancouver, and there are 4 of the 10 provinces (9 excluding Quebec) that are east of the province. Plus, let's not forget how the Northern Territories gets most of their shipments (Montreal). It's hard to say, but there are no Canada without Quebec, and I really doubt Quebec being independent was ever really an option for Canada.
@@matthewhemmings2464 erm aktchually (4 years later) technically Ontario and Quebec were at one point merged. After the Durnham report upper and lower Canada got unified into one colony. absolute disaster that was.
A partitioned Quebec is an odd idea non-Quebecois keep bringing up given the government made it clear it was all in, or all out, and there'd have likely been a major exodus of Anglos had the Yes vote won.
So odd that some of us want a country of our own
@Zontar You are right, the video is pooly made, one-sided and relies solely on obscure english sources. Even the most pro-Ottawa of all do not want partition. He almost made up the topic of his video.
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I think if Britain had gotten its way with maine and the additional portion were given to upper canada/quebec, the 20th century independence referendums would have passed off the additional votes of the people living there. If you look on population density maps, there's a sharp change in between northern Maine and the bordering portion of quebec; surely the francophones would have settled farther inland if they had the chance.
Fun Fact: during colonial times, the colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had an ongoing dispute over where their border lay. Maryland’s claims protruded north far enough that Philadelphia would have become apart of Maryland, and Pennsylvania’s claim went as far south as the northernmost stretches of the Chesapeake.
Eventually, things got so heated that bands of citizens took arms and either ventured north or south to harass others in what came to be known as the Cresaps War (very interesting read to anyone who is interested in early American history). Eventually, militias were raised to stop the violence and the Mason Dixon line was established to create an official border line. That Mason Dixon line would go on to be known as the border between North and South USA.
WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET ABOUT MINNESOTA THERE WAS A BORDER DISPUTE WITH MINNESOTA
At least CGP Grey's got you covered (assuming you meant the Lake of the Woods lol). Oh and the channel Knowing Better has done a few videos on US borders and he mentioned the proposed state of Superior
This RUclipsr is one of the best out there. Here's a small request: buy a better mic, like blue yeti and please pad your room. The quality of audio would be much better.
Your neighborhood friend I am already using a yeti. As for a padded room, I only have an apartment so there’s no small room for me to pad to muffle sound.
Another partition that you could've mentioned is in the pacific northwest/cascadia. In real life the partition gave canada modern day british columbia and america idaho, washington state and oregon, but what could've instead happened is either britian would get all of oregon territory, america would get all of oregon territory or britian could of got everything west of the columbia river and america would get everything else.
I have been waiting. Great to watch while stuccccc at home
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Me: this is gonna be a long one
My parents might get a partition
Mine too
You missed one. Part of Minnesota was disputed because the description of the border between lake Superior and the Lake of the Woods was unclear.
People said we are in the worst timeline, I say we don’t live in a timeline with these partitions is good enough for me.
I would imagine the second texas would be called Anson named for the last president of Texas President Jones or Houston named for the first president
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Thicc Virginia:
Imagine if Texas still looked like it's pre-partitioned self to this very day. Trying to get from one end of Texas to the other on car would be an utter nightmare.
As if trying to get through the Texas we have today isn't a nightmare of itself to begin with, even if you're in dead center like in Bexar County and such.
4:30 this map, and any other hypothetical partition of quebec that breaks the southern bank of the st Lawrence River off is just completely bizarre, given if you actually look at the referendum results, the southern bank of the st Lawrence was pretty overwhelming in favor of yes.
In other words, breaking it off would be like if when Britain granted ireland it's independence, if they just took the entire coastline of Ireland, irrespective of what they voted for. Sure, it might have some practical purposes, just as retaining a land route to the maritime may have some practical purposes as well, but the politics of forcefully keeping a region that voted overwhelmingly in favor of independence after a successful provincewide vote for independence would more then outway the benefits.
You did not mention that Alberta and saskatchewan also want to leave Canada
Please make a video discussing all the proposals to partition Quebec. It would be very interesting.
I'm not sure about Bell's proposed partition of Texas along the Colorado, but (according to Knowing Better's research) there was a separate suggestion right after the Civil War to use the San Antonio River and call the northern state Jefferson and the southern state Lincoln (and then Matagorda).
ruclips.net/video/xgDF77EBGnY/видео.html
Don’t forget about the time the Caribbean was divided between the West Indies Federation and those that didn’t join it
Do you mean what if the other polities that didn't join the federation actually did?
The West Indies Federation never took off the ground to begin with.
It merely existed as union of still colonies that hoped to become a federation.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
Great video. But couldn't you have covered the ultimate partition...if the CSA was successful and seceded from the Union?
The problem with Québec separating, is that most québequers don't realize that the majority of Québec, especially in the north, are federal lands, not provincial lands! Therefore the country of Québec would actually end up being a small sliver along the St Lawrence seaway. They don't realize that since they couldn't survive financially, eventually the US would gobble them up and assimilate them and then POOF, there goes French in north America, JUST because québecers, with their blinders on, didn't think things through. Yes they would be assimilated just like the millions of francophones who moved to the States... Are they speaking French today? NOPE! The same thing would eventually happen to québecers within one or two generations.
Forget the US taking them over, that'd be expensive, complicated and unpopular, and I doubt they'd stop speaking French, St Pierre and Miquelon is a small French enclave on the coast of Newfoundland that still speaks their own language, despite needing a lot of support from Canada. A Republic of Quebec would likely remain a disenfranchised rump state for a long time because it lacks a lot of the independent infrastructure, physical and institutional, that a country needs, and the instability of a new government would send businesses running from Quebec for Canada or the United States, much like the FLQ crisis sent businesses fleeing for Toronto in the 1970s.
Quebec independence today isn't popular, so it's not a likely scenario anymore.
Where did you find those Quebec partitions map?
He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. The video is weak in my opinion because it is backed by zero french source and only some very marginal an never official sources in english. It's like doing a video on Tiber but only relying on chinese mandarin sources to claim "oh, people in Tibet like China so much that they would prefer to cut Tibet in dozen of little pieces".
I like these kinds of videos, great job! (a comment from 2007)
You forgot about the Oregon territory. The partition of that was also a compromise between the us and Canada. However, the us almost fought Canada for the territory north of the 49th parallel.
I wish the partition of Alberta would finally happen for real
You mean divide itself up?
Wait? Provinces can secede because they are liberal or conservative? If so, the USA map would change in future too. Most of countries would change too if regions were allowed to secede for political reasons. Dont be stupid, Canada will never allow any province to secede. Look at Quebec, its like another country with their own culture and language but Canada did everything to keep them in Canada and you think they will allow some weak provinces like Alberta and Sask to secede just for political reasons. You're naive. Wake up
@@mathlover4994 math is dumb
What about Northern Ontario?
Pretty cool video. Thanks for sharing. LJL
There was also something weird with Michigan and Ohio right? Something to do with access to Lake Erie?
does the then disputed territory for oregon, washington, idaho (, and i think part of montana), and british columbia count as a partition
Actually the change to the Maine border is VERY significant to people living in New Brunswick and the Maritimes of Canada, as now we must travel all the way north along the border of Maine just to enter Quebec and the rest of Western Canada, a significantly longer trip… instead of just driving more directly across what is now Northern Maine.
I don’t know if it was on purpose or if it was an error, but at the moment when you speak of the two referendums of Québec, the photo for the 1995 one show Jean Chrétien and the No camp. It would have been nice to show Jacques Parizeau and/or Lucien Bouchard instead :)
VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!
Nice vid!!!!
lol the maps of quebec partition are a joke baie jame whould be part of canadaand 95 % of the population of french quebecers whould still live in canada XD .. the partition was for all of the province thos maps are probably suggestion made by ottawa for partition if quebec whould have voted for independance and no one whould have accepted thos terms in the partie québecois !!!
This video is poorly sourced and very one sided. A sloppy job, really.
Actually Paraguay could have been invaded by 30k men from the Republic of Entre Rios in 1820 so it could have been partitioned waaay before the War of the Triple Alliance
Paraguay would've probably won
Quebec independence referendum, 1995
49.42% Rigged over the
50.58%
@Shawn Bird Neither does anyone. In my opinion, both countries would probably do great.
I just got notified of this wow
You missed out the Oregon boundary dispute. The original setting of the 49th parallel as the border only extended to the continental divide in the Rockies; beyond that it was still to be determined. In the meantime, British fur traders were operating in the area of the Columbia River and much of what later became Washington State was under some amount of British influence. The main British claim was to the area north of the Columbia west of its meeting of the 49th, though an earlier claim had included the area north of the Snake River as well east to the continental divide and along it northwards to the 49th. In 1818 an American diplomat had offered the area draining into Puget Sound and the Olympic Penisula (i.e. the 49th west to the Cascades divide), but the British at that time were still after the Columbia boundary. In the 1840s the Americans now rejected their previous Puget Sound compromise and instead the border ended up with the 49th all the way, including the arguably silly inclusion of Point Roberts as American territory.
I lived on the south side of the St-Lawrence river in Canada close to the state of Maine. In one video you showed me I could have been American, in an independent Quebec (that I knew) and perhaps still in Canada with the Republic of Quebec to the north.
I can think of a few partitions that happened in Africa and the Middle East
it would be really weird if russia reclaimed alaska due to the fact the U.S. never paid for it like they were contracted to.
In the Alaska boundary dispute, the British representative Richard Everard Webster, 1st Viscount Alverstone sold out Canada.
the audio sounds like youre two rooms away. great vid but invest in a better mic?
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What does this have to do with anything related to this video?
Game Hero The creator of it
And for his efforts, Paraguay named one of their states Presidente Hayes after US President Hayes. Not much named for him in the USA other than maybe a high school.
Therapist: Tall Maine isn't real, it can't hurt you
Tall Maine:
My hunger for maps only grows larger
good video!
Talk about The 1902 Andes Case between Chile & Argentina and the Puna de Atacama dispute
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordillera_of_the_Andes_Boundary_Case_1902_(Argentina,_Chile) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puna_de_Atacama_dispute
Oh I know a lot of them from Mexico:
- Practically all of Central America got its independence from Mexico in 1823 after the fiasco of the First Mexican Empire post independence. Mexico didn't have the means to force them back.
- In the 1840's there where attempts from secession to join the Texas club and form independent countries.
-- Rio Grande Republic (three Mexican states south of Texas).
-- Yucatan Republic (three Mexican states today).
These never flew because of the first one being defeated by government forces and the second reuniting do to the Caste War (Mayas rebelled and started killing everyone) destroying their economic viability.
- The southern most state of Mexico, Chiapas, was divided between being part of Mexico or the United Provinces of Central America after the events of 1823. Some internal infighting later, the former choice was taken.
- The Soconusco region in that same state was disputed with Guatemala up the 1880s and was famously settled with German immigrants.
- Mexico recognized the existence of Belize until the 1900's. Otherwise it claimed the northern third of the former British Honduras as part of the Territory of Quintana Roo (today a state). Guatemala claimed the southern two thirds of the colony. It maintains the claim to this day.
- The dispute to where the Texas border actually was is what eventually led to the Mexican-American War in 1846. Mexico claimed the Rio Nueces while the USA claimed the Rio Grande.
- After the Mexican-American War, there were many opinions of what to do with Mexico:
-- The most extreme wanted to annex ALL of Mexico as a protectorate/territory/something, since the idea was that eventually all of the Americas will become part of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Eventually it will be divided into states. Many opposed this idea since it would mean A LOT of slave states, save another compromise came about. It also mean a giant addition of population, which practically all of them were Catholics. Not an option.
-- President Polk wanted to annex, apart from Alta California and Nuevo México, the states of Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and the northern parts of Sinaloa, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis and Veracruz plus all of Baja California. Same reasons as above made this not fly. He scaled this back but instructed his ambassador to get the most he could, and all of Baja was a must. His ambassador disagreed to leave Mexico a rump state. Alta California and Nuevo México had very low population, but taking all other areas were already integral parts of the country and this would leave open a lot of revanchism in the future. Baja was also left to Mexico since the Mexican delegation claimed it needed the ports to protect its coast and the USA already had the port of San Diego anyway. So that was that. Polk was much displeased.
- The Gadsen Purschase took place in 1854, which practically ended Santa Anna's (the bad guy in the Alamo movie with Dennis Quaid) political career. "Vende patrias" (Motherland seller) is still an insult you will maybe rarely hear in Mexico hurdled towards incompetent politicians bending the knee to foreign demands.
That's all I could remember so far.
"Practically all of Central America got its independence from Mexico in 1823 after the fiasco of the First Mexican Empire post independence. Mexico didn't have the means to force them back." But they did snatch away Chiapas, which is basically Guatemala's brother province.
Chiapas was not snatched. They had a referendum in Chiapas on September 12, 1824 on whether they should join Mexico or Guatemala. Early on, Chiapas was administratively tied to Guatemala but for years had been overlooked by them. Mexican figures say 95.000 voted to join Mexico. While 60.000 wanted to join Guatemala. Around 15 people voted neutral.
When it comes to the US - Mexican war, the US wanted a quick end to the war especially after reaching the Pacific. Each day the war with Mexico dragged on, the Mexicans would not give up, the US war debt kept increasing. Remember, US only ever had at most 30.000 troops inside of Mexico proper. That is why Mexico city was attacked and taken. US though taking the Mexican capital would force an end to the war. When the war ended so did the guerrilla attacks.
Going back, in wanting a quick end to the war the US decided on not dragging on the treaty talks, thus the claim for Baja California was dropped. After the war ended, the US sold the Mexican government weapons at half price so that they could maintain effective control of Mexico. US also allowed Mexican merchants to sell products to US troops. All this was done because they did not want the former guerrillas and ordinary people that were not happy with the politicians in Mexico city (which was made up of the elites) to destabilize Mexico.
I'd be interested on getting a source on those partitions maps of Quebec
He pretty much made it up. No political movement in Québec endorses this idea. Even the most ardent federalistes who want to stay within Canada do not seriously push for it. Also, he has 0 french written source on Québec wich makes it a pretty poor research. It's like relying only on Israeli newspapers to make a video about Palestine. And then only choosing the most obscure papers.
Nobody here wants to end up like the Balkan. 95% federalists would accept the democratic results like the other side did the last times the question was asked.
My hot chocolate will be ready in a few minutes. Hmm... What to do while waiting?
Perfect.
Some other would-be partitions that come to mind:
- The US and Mexico both have a history of getting involved in and occasionally annexing parts of Central America and the Caribbean, as well as each other, resulting in potentially different national borders.
- The many different models proposed for the partition of Mexico at the end of the Mexican-American Wars.
- Or US states, in the still-possible case of Puerto Rico.
- The ongoing dispute over the Northwest Passage: part of Canada or next to Canada?
- Many wars and almost wars between the US and Canada.
- Arizona and Utah have a disputed border between the Grand Canyon and the present border, and a famous land scuffle between the Paiutes and Navajo occurred nearby
- Several colonies, like Quinnipiac, that might have become US states if they had not been extinguished by their neighbors earlier in history.
- On a similar note, the Hopi land war.
- The Chiapas war.
- Ohio and Michigan almost went to war over a humorously small strip of land due to a surveying disagreement.
-The would-be States of Jefferson or Cascadia in the Pacific Northwest
-The disputed legal status and nature of the US Reservation and Canadian Reserve system, with some of the more powerful or recalcitrant indigenous nations claiming full political autonomy.
- California occasionally floats unsuccessful but often locally popular bids for partition into smaller segments.
The quebec partition things are really stupid, because the "quebec" parts left over are literally uninhabited wasteland.
But full of ressources, thats why there would have been a fight over it
Will you make new part of Horrible maps ?
Where is the map from 1:21 from?
I want East and West Montreal with a wall to keep the Anglos out.
@Rick K Yes because regular Canadian culture is Russian
@Memes For a guy named Memes you are taking my comments too seriously.
Maybe after the Middle East, talk about the European/Japanese spheres of influence in China during the late 19th Century. France had a sphere consisting of the three Chinese provinces adjacent to French Indochina. Britain had a sphere consisting of Tibet, Hong Kong, and a strip of territory along the Yangtze River. Germany had Qingdao. Do you guys get the idea?
There have been insurgencies in basically every state of Mexico. Not sure if secessionism counts as a partition.
Didn't Washington State want to split between the rural and urban areas?
You forgot the dispute with Guyana and Venezuela
Could you do a video regarding potential partitions of the Balkans?
That would take like 3hrs to cover
Why don't you do a video about First Nations and other indigenous communities in the Americas who have declared their independence but who are not usually shown on the maps?
California still wants southern Southern California (Baja California). The government doesn’t want it but wouldn’t it be nice if we did have it
No thanks. I like being able to transfer money from my cellphone, my employer paying my vacations and a somewhat functional healthcare system.
Arturo Cevallos Soto so if there was a vote to integrate Baja California into California you would vote no?
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Uhh, the US has all of those things, but whatever.
@@hacienda2490 The US healthcare system decides who lives and who dies by the amount of money in their bank accounts. No thanks.
@@reillywalker195
Newsflash: Most, if not all of the time, you get the bill *after* you get the service.
Also, insurance. Insurance will basically pay for all of the bill, and if you can't afford insurance, welfare works.
Dont remember being this interested in a powerpoint presentation
Fighting over panhandles.
You ought to have mentioned that Maine exists as it was a partition of Massachusetts XD
Texas is still way too big. Change my mind.
There was also another dispute in the state of washington. Canada, which was part of Britain at the time, said that the northern fork of the Columbia river should be the border, which would likely make The remaining bit of Washington unable to support itself, possibly becoming a part of Idaho or Oregon. Another dispute in Washington, the Pig War, occurred when it became apparent that the treaty stating the northwestern border between Canada and America did not make it clear whether the Strait it mentioned was Haro strait, as America claimed, or Rosario strait, which Britain claimed. The land in between the two suggested borders was the San Juan islands.It nearly escalated into a war when the pig of an American settler was found eating the potatoes of a British settler. Britain attempted to force the American settler to pay a heavy fine, and the American settlers called for military protection. Sixty-six American troops and a few cannons were sent to the islands. Britain sent troops, and both sides kept sending more and more troops until there was four hundred and sixty-one American troops with fourteen cannons occupying the islands, and two thousand one hundred and forty British troops with seventy cannons standing by in five warships. The Governor of Vancouver island, James Douglas, ordered the British troops to attack, but they refused. Eventually, officials in Washington DC and London heard about it, and agreed to have Kaiser Wilhelm I to decide who got the islands. He chose America, and the islands still belong to America today. For more in-depth information, I would suggest the Wikipedia article titled “ Pig War”
Can you make Ostrogothic kingdom every year/month?🙏