DUDE i just guess Diamond 3 every time and thought hamster was pulling my leg by picking the same rank each time like answering only C in the finals exam
I am the Gold-2 Terran from game 2; Thanks for all the compliments from the people calling BS, but I promise I am shite. Currently @2,400MMR +/- on NA.
I was just surprised to see ghosts and high templars and stuff mixed in. To me it seemed like gold players that were very experimental with their unit compositions.
I used to be gold-1 on EU. I found that gold players are good at one or two things that help us win but everything else is bad. I for example are good at micro so I soon figured that what works best is 2 base all in with blink stalkers.
Second game was a complete scam. Dude had Ghosts in his army and was landing EMPs; that doesn't even happen in platinum, and might be in 1/20 games in my D3 matches. This was not fair to Reynor.
Reynor still deserved to lose for the last guess lol. Terran clearly had no idea how bio Vs baneling micro works, which is a pretty fundamental TvZ micro interaction. Running into the mineral lines was a good move, and anyone could mess up the target fire, but the real giveaway was the micro in the middle of the map off-creep. A Terran who knows how to micro bio vs Zerg would have control clicked back the marines then split the marines, deffo not moved the marine/marauder as a clump trying to kite with it, he was treating the banelings as if they were chargelots.
@@tambaz2276 Yeah, I have no idea why he thought that was M1. Terran was on 2 base for like 12 minutes and had no idea how to split or even pre split his units. Honestly surprised it was Diamond. The dude micros like I do and I'm plat 1 on a good day.
The tell, in my opinion, was the response time by both players. The protoss was just standing in the fire, so to speak, when it came to the EMPs, something definitely similar to what a gold player would do. Furthermore, on Korea at least, gold players are competent enough to use ghosts these days. However, I was still just as shocked as anyone else. I think the only other real big tell was the timer and how much they were floating. Way too much floating to be above diamond
@@74HC138 It's not that hard to click on a clump of units. The tricky part is using EMP while microing/stimming your army so it doesn't die to a disrupter shot. My toss is 3200 and most of the terrans I play skip ghosts and focus on microing the rest of their bio (or they just play mech and I get a free win lol).
I'm a Terran around 3200 MMR (barely diamond 3) there's no way that the second game was a gold player, not even close! He made a push with a freaking tank and 5 marines, didn't waste it, was extremely fast, hit 400 APM a few times, and most importantly, he used ghosts! So, he was smurfing or there were some big problems with that game
I am masters around 4k and I have similar or worse gameplay. Especially his ghost control was good. His stim usage was worse. But I would have put it like masters 2. Probably a guy I would lose to. But like the toss also was better than gold 3 no?
That gold game, I could tell is was below diamond due to the complete lack of micro, 2 armies just facing each other. The trouble with diamond games is diamond players are massively inconsistent - I'm in D3, and some days I wonder how my opponent got out of bronze, sometimes I wonder how I got out of bronze, and occasionally I have a really good run where I think I'm on the way to D1 or maybe higher, only in the next game to play like I'm in bronze. So it's really hard to say what league a D3/D2 game is going to be because the play is so inconsistent.
Diamond players (myself included) also are often good at one thing and terrible at others. Like, my macro is probably on par with a Masters 1 or 2, but my late game army control is so horrendous. And conversely I've played guys with really tight micro, but they are floating 2k resources the whole game.
It was a super weird one. I actually guessed gold 2 but i was so confused by the unit composition. Mixing in ghosts and vikings and high templars and tempests made it seem like they were way more competent than they were. But just watch the micro (or lack of it). They just A move. If you ignore the spellcasters it makes sense. I'm a bad plat zerg on NA so they seemed a little worse than my level in their actual play.
I guessed plat 2 but changed to plat 1 when I saw NA. Im gold EU and I thought they were a bit better then me, because terran sieged up in time. But then I remembered that 2 base all ins are very common in gold. People do it to avoid macro
This was far and away my best set of games. I entered my guess before watching the players discuss, so I wasn't gaslit by Reynor in game 2. I had identical guesses to the captain on all games except for game 2, where I guessed gold 2
I always turn on a podcast in a foreign language while I cook and without fail one of your videos comes on auto-play and I have come to expect it. I look forward to my escape from reality. thank you captain
1:35 Seeing that, I finally understood why Harstem isn't number 1 in the world yet, he just needs a RedBull sponsorship and everything will work. 6:29 He's right for real 10:25 I bet now you understand why people watching feel like they play better despite being in a lower league 😂
Took the terran like 5s to EMP and the protoss didn't use that time to use the templar at all. It's clear from that despite making the units they don't use them in any effective manner.
@@mothrahlurker788 4500 mmr here, and I can say with certainty that they would've shit on me 9 out of 10 games. You're GREATLY overestimating how good gold players are if you think it's legit.
unpopular opinion, I usually play EU server and Im around 3k MMR. When I go play NA I am shocked that I struggle and lose to guys with 2500 MMR. So either a ton of Smurfs all of the time, or the lower level is actually better in US than in Europe
Ofc, there's the ping difference but I also believe you're likely lower rated due to not knowing the meta for the region/rank. A lot of my games are won bc I can characterise my opponent and have developed skills orientated towards defeating the most common strategies. NA, which is notoriously cheesy, might be more difficult for a foreigner but take less time to adapt to when climbing the ladder there.
Hi harstem, the bug with the cyclone is not just the increased firing rate. The temporary fix patch for the homestory cup is still wrong. I hope that you can report this to avoid the bug fix still being wrong, thanks. (All data are editor time, to convert to in-game time, you need to multiply by 0.714) (1)Lock On ability now incorrectly fires missiles at a 0.812 seconds duration (should be 1), and fires immediately when finishing the lock on (should have 1 second delay) (2)After the "Lock On" skill effect ends, the CD of the skill will be incorrectly set to 4 seconds. (should be 6). (3)Cyclones incorrectly gain +1 attack for each attack upgrade (should be 2).
Well I am learning from the comments that apparently masters players don't get upgrades because at 25 minutes in to the second game both players had only one one and Mr. protoss didn't have any air upgrades for his tempests. I thought that made this one really easy, but I guess upgrades are unimportant or something.
Spoiler: Honestly i don't like that we get smurf games into rank roulette. No way the 2nd game is actually that league... In the first 15 seconds we've got marine splits and pull backs, usage of guardian shield, a single battery, toss is waiting as long as possible to break out (next tank shot would have killed the pylon), building stuff behind.. Terran has high apm through the game, building units while pressuring, stutter stepping with stim, base trading, using EMPs, has decent unit compositions, etc... Look at the APM at 7:50... There is literally no way, this is g2. I mean it is no GM Game but most definetly those guys are between d3 und m2... Sadly that stuff distorts the competition :|
Agreed. I am disappointed. I am like masters 3 sometimes dia 1 and I feel like, this is the kind of people I have to deal with usually. And I think I would lose to that Terran.
Yes, but if 20% of all gold players are smurfs, then one could argue that these games also belong in Rank Roulette. I mean Reynor is a World Champion. I bet Serral would have seen through that 🤣
@@Johnny-Joseph People dont really use spellcasters until diamon league. I'm plat and I havent played againts ghost in long ass time. Everyone just bc rush as terran.
Keep in mind that they had very little supply and just in general macroed poorly. And while the terran had ghosts the ghost usage was very slow. The 1 tank 5 marine push is also setting the terran up for an autoloss against any even a little bit competently executed blink build so if the terran does that every game they will lose a lot of games per default if ti was dia.
I figured plat for game 2 because toss was f2ing everywhere which doesn’t really happen above plat (with tempest players anyway lol), and the ghost micro was ok-ish because while he did use them, he spammed like 10 emps on things that had no shields and certain low league players do actually use spellcasters from time to time.
gold makes sense, because you noticed it yourselves: suddenly, the enemy behind, had an additional base gold players can do good macro and micro but lose control of the game often
I had to watch that again. I'm Gold 3, so this should be close to my level, but is it? I think it might be, maybe?! They were impressed by the Toss holding the tank push, but he was floating tons of minerals and was supply blocked at that time. It wasn't like he played like an ace to defend it, lol. The Terran gave him at least a full minute to build stuff in this "push". Also, apparently noone ever successfully defended any base. The whole game appears to be one big base trade, which sounds a lot like the games I have, lol. And I think the fights were mostly just a-moving big piles of units into each other. And why are they saying he played Tempest/Colossus? Have I overlooked the Colossi!? What I see are a lot of Templar that literally do nothing. They just a-move with the army. I'm not really sure I've seen anything that looked really high level there. Maybe the EMPs on the Templars were something. But the weird base-switching should be a red flag, too. They called it less chaotic and high level very early, but they should have reverted that in the end, I think.
Reynor was done dirty, second game was minimum diamond 2, solid timings, landing emps, decent macro. I dont know why that game was even approved, those guys were smurfing 100%
Wasnt done that dirty tho, no way he was going to playoffs anyway with his last guess. Guessed M1 for the Terran who was treating Bio Vs Baneling micro the same way he would against Zealots.
What solid timings did you see there? Hamster literally pointed out that they had way less supply. Look at the tankpush timing and unit count, it's really bad.
Both the first game and second game were suspitious. First one seemed more like silver-ish (which I guessed) and it ended up D3? NO WAY!!! And that game 2 that is complete BS. That was D1-M3 play right there. I would also believe that ranks for first two games got somehow interchanged. I would sooner believe that first was gold 2 and second D3.
G2 being at plat or below is quite obvious. No micro on the armies. The tank push in the beginning is simply a waste of resources, because there is no follow-up. The fight after the tank died would've easily be won by toss but they pull back because they're afraid. None of these fights have any relevant micro apart from the blanket-EMP in the one fight that's shown. T is not stutter-stepping, P is just watching their units die which you could see coming from a mile away. I don't understand how anyone could think this would be Masters? Especially the "Hands off the keyboard, I'll just watch the fight, looks epic"-thing is a trademark of gold and below.
There’s no way that 1st game was legit día 3. The caliber of players they are compared to their real rank isn’t valid at all lol 😂 that game is closer to Gold 2.
11:00 Idk man. Gold players aint macroing like that. Gold players like. Hit you with 1 void at 7 minutes. Maybe just awful micro. But. Idk man. That seemed like at least plat.
@@Johnny-Joseph Yeah... it's basic defense until the 30 lings are in your mineral line and your 15 adepts are in the opponent's mineral line. It was a frantic game for these players.
If you (Harstem) ever need a tie breaker series, here are some suggestions: 1. Get Hampster to maliciously edit the replay to be as misleading as possible. 2. Get videos of 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4. 3. Get a video of a hacker or Smurf, and mention to the contestants that one of the players is a hacker/Smurf. Just for the drama and spice. 4. Get all participants of Rank Roulette to submit a video of them playing on the ladder, with the knowledge that one of the videos they watch, will be of themselves or one of their opponents.
I think there's no way that first game was platinum, it's Diamond minimum. More likely a Master than a Plat game IMO. Ok it was much closer to Plat than Masters, but I stand by my words.
I thought it was a plat game, awful 12pool, awful 12pool defense, terrible nydus timing, no macro behind, nonsensical build order from the protoss and poor micro as well. Then the zerg didn't use the larvae and didn't make queens.
This just shows that there are the couple real pro players (like top 30 maybe, if I'm being generous), and then there is the rest. It doesn't matter if you're silver or GM, we are talking about a 20% understanding of the game +-5% between silver and GM. Once you get above 25% you're automatically a pro player, and only like the top 5 can reach above 80%. That's why balancing the game at lower levels doesn't matter, as they are not really playing the game.
@@TheGahta i'm getting old, I don't even know what " vsauce voice" is. Quite right about the snapshot thing, but there is a thing as flattering/unflattering angles in photography which could mislead a viewer. Enjoy the rest of your day.
No way that the zerg from game 1 was in d3. Protoss maybe, because he had some idea for a build order and he was spending his money nicely, but that is still very misleading when you have to guess the league after some silver zerg does nydus. Game 2 being GOLD 2 on NA SERVER is a straight up bullshit, terran had 300-400 apm and the toss was in the game for 15miutes with him, there's absolutely no way those guys had only 2400 MMR on NA.
The abilities of the players change... Gold players are not the same as 10 years ago. Today they know how to use guardian shield... they EMP... they have high APM. The skill levels across all divisions is much higher today.
I love that once Reynor hears Clem got more points than him he immediately calls him an idiot hahaha The banter is so great
After meeting Reynor at Dallas, I can confidently say he doesn't mind hanging around the lower league players
DUDE i just guess Diamond 3 every time and thought hamster was pulling my leg by picking the same rank each time like answering only C in the finals exam
I am the Gold-2 Terran from game 2; Thanks for all the compliments from the people calling BS, but I promise I am shite. Currently @2,400MMR +/- on NA.
I beleive you
The weird thing about the low leagues (lifelong silver reporting) is some games are just beautiful
I was just surprised to see ghosts and high templars and stuff mixed in. To me it seemed like gold players that were very experimental with their unit compositions.
@@juteparadisechillmusic345 can’t tell if an insult
I used to be gold-1 on EU.
I found that gold players are good at one or two things that help us win but everything else is bad.
I for example are good at micro so I soon figured that what works best is 2 base all in with blink stalkers.
Second game was a complete scam. Dude had Ghosts in his army and was landing EMPs; that doesn't even happen in platinum, and might be in 1/20 games in my D3 matches.
This was not fair to Reynor.
Reynor still deserved to lose for the last guess lol. Terran clearly had no idea how bio Vs baneling micro works, which is a pretty fundamental TvZ micro interaction. Running into the mineral lines was a good move, and anyone could mess up the target fire, but the real giveaway was the micro in the middle of the map off-creep. A Terran who knows how to micro bio vs Zerg would have control clicked back the marines then split the marines, deffo not moved the marine/marauder as a clump trying to kite with it, he was treating the banelings as if they were chargelots.
@@tambaz2276 Yeah, I have no idea why he thought that was M1. Terran was on 2 base for like 12 minutes and had no idea how to split or even pre split his units. Honestly surprised it was Diamond. The dude micros like I do and I'm plat 1 on a good day.
The tell, in my opinion, was the response time by both players. The protoss was just standing in the fire, so to speak, when it came to the EMPs, something definitely similar to what a gold player would do. Furthermore, on Korea at least, gold players are competent enough to use ghosts these days.
However, I was still just as shocked as anyone else. I think the only other real big tell was the timer and how much they were floating. Way too much floating to be above diamond
Wish I had your opponents in D3, all my terran opponents seem to hit EMPs like a pro.
@@74HC138 It's not that hard to click on a clump of units. The tricky part is using EMP while microing/stimming your army so it doesn't die to a disrupter shot.
My toss is 3200 and most of the terrans I play skip ghosts and focus on microing the rest of their bio (or they just play mech and I get a free win lol).
I'm a Terran around 3200 MMR (barely diamond 3) there's no way that the second game was a gold player, not even close! He made a push with a freaking tank and 5 marines, didn't waste it, was extremely fast, hit 400 APM a few times, and most importantly, he used ghosts! So, he was smurfing or there were some big problems with that game
I am masters around 4k and I have similar or worse gameplay. Especially his ghost control was good. His stim usage was worse. But I would have put it like masters 2. Probably a guy I would lose to. But like the toss also was better than gold 3 no?
I feel like this was smurf or staged. No way this isn't diamond or higher
i guessed M2, that was clearly a smurf or they tricked someone idk
@@jamomoritz6763 Gold 2 toss isn't holding a tank push at 4 mins lol, optimized or not.
I guess masters two ain't no way this wasn't a setup/a smurf. This is NOT gold gameplay.
Today I learned that Raynor looks down on Masters 1 players the way I look down on Bronze players.
In league, same thing. Challengers look down on master players.
That gold game, I could tell is was below diamond due to the complete lack of micro, 2 armies just facing each other.
The trouble with diamond games is diamond players are massively inconsistent - I'm in D3, and some days I wonder how my opponent got out of bronze, sometimes I wonder how I got out of bronze, and occasionally I have a really good run where I think I'm on the way to D1 or maybe higher, only in the next game to play like I'm in bronze. So it's really hard to say what league a D3/D2 game is going to be because the play is so inconsistent.
Diamond players (myself included) also are often good at one thing and terrible at others.
Like, my macro is probably on par with a Masters 1 or 2, but my late game army control is so horrendous. And conversely I've played guys with really tight micro, but they are floating 2k resources the whole game.
that second game is a smurf game 100%. im not sure thats really fair to reynor but its not that serious
It was a super weird one. I actually guessed gold 2 but i was so confused by the unit composition. Mixing in ghosts and vikings and high templars and tempests made it seem like they were way more competent than they were. But just watch the micro (or lack of it). They just A move. If you ignore the spellcasters it makes sense.
I'm a bad plat zerg on NA so they seemed a little worse than my level in their actual play.
I guessed plat 2 but changed to plat 1 when I saw NA.
Im gold EU and I thought they were a bit better then me, because terran sieged up in time.
But then I remembered that 2 base all ins are very common in gold. People do it to avoid macro
This was far and away my best set of games. I entered my guess before watching the players discuss, so I wasn't gaslit by Reynor in game 2. I had identical guesses to the captain on all games except for game 2, where I guessed gold 2
I learned the parting glave build, they just put me in masters.
12:03 "remember oceanborn?" SAVAGE 😅
I always turn on a podcast in a foreign language while I cook and without fail one of your videos comes on auto-play and I have come to expect it. I look forward to my escape from reality. thank you captain
Hardest roulette yet, I was far everytime
Same here.
1:35 Seeing that, I finally understood why Harstem isn't number 1 in the world yet, he just needs a RedBull sponsorship and everything will work.
6:29 He's right for real
10:25 I bet now you understand why people watching feel like they play better despite being in a lower league 😂
The second one is deffinetly off. Its minimum diamond and based on the use of ghost atleast D2
Took the terran like 5s to EMP and the protoss didn't use that time to use the templar at all. It's clear from that despite making the units they don't use them in any effective manner.
Don't forget like the army composition. Even though it wasnt perfect control, the army comp was at least diamond 1 kind of level.
isn't there bugs with mmr and league placement ? I know my terran offrace is in silver with 3k mmr
@@anarchosnowflakist786 could be a league placement bug, could also be a guy who hasn't played in a while and was placed lower than they should be
@@mothrahlurker788 4500 mmr here, and I can say with certainty that they would've shit on me 9 out of 10 games. You're GREATLY overestimating how good gold players are if you think it's legit.
The slight blur of Reynor’s camera over his mouth made it look like he’s being constantly censored
yeh imma hop aboard the smurfing on game 2 train here lol, someone should do some investigating and get justice for reynor!
unpopular opinion, I usually play EU server and Im around 3k MMR. When I go play NA I am shocked that I struggle and lose to guys with 2500 MMR. So either a ton of Smurfs all of the time, or the lower level is actually better in US than in Europe
Ofc, there's the ping difference but I also believe you're likely lower rated due to not knowing the meta for the region/rank.
A lot of my games are won bc I can characterise my opponent and have developed skills orientated towards defeating the most common strategies.
NA, which is notoriously cheesy, might be more difficult for a foreigner but take less time to adapt to when climbing the ladder there.
10:27 LOL they forgot to look at the game clock I think. Or at least failed to account for it in ranking it.
"Pressing buttons like a brain-dead monkey." - Harstem
Hi harstem, the bug with the cyclone is not just the increased firing rate.
The temporary fix patch for the homestory cup is still wrong.
I hope that you can report this to avoid the bug fix still being wrong, thanks.
(All data are editor time, to convert to in-game time, you need to multiply by 0.714)
(1)Lock On ability now incorrectly fires missiles at a 0.812 seconds duration (should be 1), and fires immediately when finishing the lock on (should have 1 second delay)
(2)After the "Lock On" skill effect ends, the CD of the skill will be incorrectly set to 4 seconds. (should be 6).
(3)Cyclones incorrectly gain +1 attack for each attack upgrade (should be 2).
Thank you Tony Hinchcliffe drawn from memory, very cool
ain't no way gold players using ghosts instead of the more cooler units like BCs and thors
BUILT ghosts, usage was so poor it might have been better to not make them.
poor reynor getting all the smurf games lol
As a Texan, even though i'm not a fan of Dallas, i appreciate Reynor's hoodie
Well I am learning from the comments that apparently masters players don't get upgrades because at 25 minutes in to the second game both players had only one one and Mr. protoss didn't have any air upgrades for his tempests. I thought that made this one really easy, but I guess upgrades are unimportant or something.
Spoiler:
Honestly i don't like that we get smurf games into rank roulette. No way the 2nd game is actually that league...
In the first 15 seconds we've got marine splits and pull backs, usage of guardian shield, a single battery, toss is waiting as long as possible to break out (next tank shot would have killed the pylon), building stuff behind..
Terran has high apm through the game, building units while pressuring, stutter stepping with stim, base trading, using EMPs, has decent unit compositions, etc...
Look at the APM at 7:50...
There is literally no way, this is g2. I mean it is no GM Game but most definetly those guys are between d3 und m2... Sadly that stuff distorts the competition :|
Agreed. I am disappointed. I am like masters 3 sometimes dia 1 and I feel like, this is the kind of people I have to deal with usually. And I think I would lose to that Terran.
Yes, but if 20% of all gold players are smurfs, then one could argue that these games also belong in Rank Roulette. I mean Reynor is a World Champion. I bet Serral would have seen through that 🤣
Dude I guessed low gold for that game, if anything it's too high! What you've described is the basics of starcraft
@@Johnny-Joseph People dont really use spellcasters until diamon league. I'm plat and I havent played againts ghost in long ass time. Everyone just bc rush as terran.
Keep in mind that they had very little supply and just in general macroed poorly. And while the terran had ghosts the ghost usage was very slow. The 1 tank 5 marine push is also setting the terran up for an autoloss against any even a little bit competently executed blink build so if the terran does that every game they will lose a lot of games per default if ti was dia.
I figured plat for game 2 because toss was f2ing everywhere which doesn’t really happen above plat (with tempest players anyway lol), and the ghost micro was ok-ish because while he did use them, he spammed like 10 emps on things that had no shields and certain low league players do actually use spellcasters from time to time.
Harstem seemed to be getting a little pissed that Reynor was telling Hamster to spin the wheel 😂 n on the last round Reynor just going for insults 😂😂😂
Where is this music from at 15:40? :)
Dellusional cap on the seond game hahaha love the content
where is the link to the Lambo Episode? couldnt find it
gold makes sense, because you noticed it yourselves: suddenly, the enemy behind, had an additional base
gold players can do good macro and micro but lose control of the game often
i feel like its the first raynor video where his mic isnt trash on harstems channel
Great episode
Love this show and who wants to be a grandmaster, keep up the good work :D
We have good games and bad games. Sometimes we play above our ranks, sometimes we don't do shet 😂
That gold is a smurf, he signed on tank instead of all of them
New series idea, bad build orders done with the best execution possible to see how they do on the ladder or vs other GMs also trying bad build orders
Btw Milkaa is not a Dia 3 player, just with Terran xD, he is a master protoss
Reynor is a king of roasts
Round 2 was 100% masters 3 eu, masters 1-2 na. I can bet everything i have that its some kinda mistake or smurfs and as such it shouldnt count
I had to watch that again. I'm Gold 3, so this should be close to my level, but is it? I think it might be, maybe?! They were impressed by the Toss holding the tank push, but he was floating tons of minerals and was supply blocked at that time. It wasn't like he played like an ace to defend it, lol. The Terran gave him at least a full minute to build stuff in this "push". Also, apparently noone ever successfully defended any base. The whole game appears to be one big base trade, which sounds a lot like the games I have, lol. And I think the fights were mostly just a-moving big piles of units into each other. And why are they saying he played Tempest/Colossus? Have I overlooked the Colossi!? What I see are a lot of Templar that literally do nothing. They just a-move with the army. I'm not really sure I've seen anything that looked really high level there. Maybe the EMPs on the Templars were something. But the weird base-switching should be a red flag, too. They called it less chaotic and high level very early, but they should have reverted that in the end, I think.
I love these!
i score like a 20 here. Im outta practice
I definitely play much better than this, even though I am lower rank. Trust me. -(A fan from your 4th favorite server.)
Cool and entertaining!!!
Reynor was done dirty, second game was minimum diamond 2, solid timings, landing emps, decent macro. I dont know why that game was even approved, those guys were smurfing 100%
Wasnt done that dirty tho, no way he was going to playoffs anyway with his last guess. Guessed M1 for the Terran who was treating Bio Vs Baneling micro the same way he would against Zealots.
What solid timings did you see there? Hamster literally pointed out that they had way less supply. Look at the tankpush timing and unit count, it's really bad.
Both the first game and second game were suspitious. First one seemed more like silver-ish (which I guessed) and it ended up D3? NO WAY!!! And that game 2 that is complete BS. That was D1-M3 play right there. I would also believe that ranks for first two games got somehow interchanged. I would sooner believe that first was gold 2 and second D3.
First game wasn't great but definitely wasn't close to silver. Toss did wall and react okayish
G2 being at plat or below is quite obvious. No micro on the armies. The tank push in the beginning is simply a waste of resources, because there is no follow-up. The fight after the tank died would've easily be won by toss but they pull back because they're afraid. None of these fights have any relevant micro apart from the blanket-EMP in the one fight that's shown. T is not stutter-stepping, P is just watching their units die which you could see coming from a mile away.
I don't understand how anyone could think this would be Masters? Especially the "Hands off the keyboard, I'll just watch the fight, looks epic"-thing is a trademark of gold and below.
Round 2, I am telling you, NA isn't quite as bad as you think
I could lose to those guys and I'm D3 NA. No way that was gold.
6:37 and why not like 4 plat players vs 1 pro. Or 3 masters. Idk
There’s no way that 1st game was legit día 3. The caliber of players they are compared to their real rank isn’t valid at all lol 😂 that game is closer to Gold 2.
who is the most handsome dutch sc2 player outside the northern part of the country though? @Harstem
lmfao "its NA... Masters3............ Gold2" LOL!
Host 2v1 between chat and players.
I would destroy these guys so easily.
Hamster slacking not taking time to check profiles i guess 😄
SPOILER? I guess?
How tf is the second game gold 2? There were GHOSTS. And they did emp thingies. How is that not at least plat?
Because there is no other micro than the ghosts. People watch pro games, it's not hard to EMP stuff if you do nothing else lol.
11:00 Idk man. Gold players aint macroing like that. Gold players like. Hit you with 1 void at 7 minutes.
Maybe just awful micro. But. Idk man. That seemed like at least plat.
Captain, can I send my clips from South America Server? (Yeah, we have a server 😅)
Gold 2 guy is impossible
Hahah there is actually no way that first game was diamond :D I have a broken wrist so only play one handed and I could beat both those players 😅
That's what a frantic D3 game looks like. Watch some of your own replays during chaotic games.
@@unrighteous8745 It's a ling rush, its not frantic 😅 It's basic defence
@@Johnny-Joseph Yeah... it's basic defense until the 30 lings are in your mineral line and your 15 adepts are in the opponent's mineral line.
It was a frantic game for these players.
@unrighteous8745 yeah it's a frantic game in Silver / low gold 🤣
@@Johnny-Joseph What's your rank/region?
Ah, come on - You're trolling Reynor right?
i see reynor i click
New beating grand masters with stupid stuff!!
The AI challenge - build only cannons.
🤣
Yaaaay!
Ha! Poonslayer! I've played this guy on ladder. Dang, the SC2 community is getting small. Diamond 1-Masters 3 all the way.
If you (Harstem) ever need a tie breaker series, here are some suggestions:
1. Get Hampster to maliciously edit the replay to be as misleading as possible.
2. Get videos of 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4.
3. Get a video of a hacker or Smurf, and mention to the contestants that one of the players is a hacker/Smurf. Just for the drama and spice.
4. Get all participants of Rank Roulette to submit a video of them playing on the ladder, with the knowledge that one of the videos they watch, will be of themselves or one of their opponents.
I think there's no way that first game was platinum, it's Diamond minimum. More likely a Master than a Plat game IMO.
Ok it was much closer to Plat than Masters, but I stand by my words.
I thought it was a plat game, awful 12pool, awful 12pool defense, terrible nydus timing, no macro behind, nonsensical build order from the protoss and poor micro as well. Then the zerg didn't use the larvae and didn't make queens.
Reynor should go to Korea and kiss maru 🥺
Please give reynor a second chance for the second game. 100 percent it is Masters 3.
No way people with that bad macro and micro would be in masters.
No way the second game was gold 2.Must be smurfs. Diamond 3 would be my guess.
Dude, toss literally A moved his army into tanks... Zero flanks, no ability use, awful comp, awful macro = solidly gold.
@@Johnny-Joseph Its still not gold. I follow a youtuber who started in silver , now is in plat. This is not gold. Myself im in Dia2.
@@firestarter000001 Maybe high silver
I'm diamond 3 and I wish I could play like "that gold"
This just shows that there are the couple real pro players (like top 30 maybe, if I'm being generous), and then there is the rest. It doesn't matter if you're silver or GM, we are talking about a 20% understanding of the game +-5% between silver and GM. Once you get above 25% you're automatically a pro player, and only like the top 5 can reach above 80%.
That's why balancing the game at lower levels doesn't matter, as they are not really playing the game.
Haven't watched the video but all the butthurt "no way game x is rank y" makes me look forward to it 😂
TBH this is the first time I think they are right.
@therandomheretek5403 *vsauce voice* what isssssss a rank anyways if not a temporary snapshot 🤭
@@TheGahta i'm getting old, I don't even know what " vsauce voice" is. Quite right about the snapshot thing, but there is a thing as flattering/unflattering angles in photography which could mislead a viewer.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
No way that the zerg from game 1 was in d3. Protoss maybe, because he had some idea for a build order and he was spending his money nicely, but that is still very misleading when you have to guess the league after some silver zerg does nydus. Game 2 being GOLD 2 on NA SERVER is a straight up bullshit, terran had 300-400 apm and the toss was in the game for 15miutes with him, there's absolutely no way those guys had only 2400 MMR on NA.
The abilities of the players change... Gold players are not the same as 10 years ago. Today they know how to use guardian shield... they EMP... they have high APM.
The skill levels across all divisions is much higher today.
Its not, that was a smurf or a troll game. I played in gold and they still barely know how to use their units, let alone use spell casters and drops.
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