PS5 DualSense EDGE vs Xbox Elite Controller
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2023
- PlayStation has finally made a more PREMIUM controller for diehards, which is VERY similar to Xbox's offerings. So, which is better?
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Great point about only being able to configure from a PS5. These days controllers are expected to be able to be fully usable on PC, and especially with Sony bringing first party games to Steam, configuration from PC should be standard. I bought three Dual Sense controllers (I don't know why) and ALL of them have drift.
After it happened to me 4 times. I will never buy another PlayStation controller again f*** them.
I've entirely switch to 8bitdo and other third-party Nintendo switch controllers which have the features I generally need, gyro.
@@RhizometricReality Your problem is with Alps, not Sony.
Ridicoulus imo. I mean joycons are small and packed with features therefore its more fragile. Hall effect sensor sticks to avoid producing more landfill instead of swappable sticks imo. ☮️
@@ninetendopesaitama2107 hall is great my new 8bitdo halls are great
@@bluescreenfree copium ⚠️
I forget who it was that was talking about the locking mechanism, but they explained there are some gaming tournaments that only allow wired controllers. If the controller is unplugged, even accidentally, the player gets disqualified. So the locking mechanism prevents that from happening.
Seems like a very specific feature most wouldn’t use/care about eitherway tbh
who cares rly
Your video edits, and fun comedy cuts, are a treat.
This channel deserves far more attention.
The reason your elite series 2 gets misaligned and seems like it needs to be a two handed job for you (4:26) is because you’re supposed to pull that soft liner off of the magnetic base altogether. It’s only placed there for shipping to protect the prongs, otherwise it should be completely removed. I have 3 elite series 2s and I just throw them on the docks and they line up perfectly every time.
Alternatively you don’t NEED to keep the magnetic base inside the zippered pouch either. I just keep the bases on my tv stand and throw them on when I’m done playing. This way I don’t have to open a case every time. I get it if you want to protect your controller but to me it just adds more clutter to the stand that I’d rather not have. I think the charging base (and the internal battery) is one of the most underrated and unappreciated features of the elite series 2. I just pick up a controller it’s always fully charged and ready to go. The batteries last way longer than I’ll ever be playing so that has been one of my favorite features. Now that I’ve had my elites for years I cant go back to not having 4 back buttons either. I’m so used to using the back buttons that I rarely even use the face buttons anymore. Not having 4 on the PS controller seems like a big missed opportunity, even my steam deck has 4 back buttons.
Hope this helps.
Now ill tell you why keeping the felt on and in the pouch is better long term.
1. Leaving it in the open causes a lot of dust to build up, and the elite series 2 doesn't have much going for it in terms of dust resistance. This can cause drift, and many people complain and blame Microsoft for making shitty controllers.
2. Leaving the felt on and not charging it every time you're done using it, rather than when needed will help keep your controller in good shape. And in his case, it seemed it wasn't lined up right and was further back so the felt was closer to the pins, mine is lined up well and I do not have any issue pulling it back and putting it on to charge.
3. All your things are in one place makes it easy to change things. While your controller is docked charging.
DSX has a beta up now that has Edge support! You can remap not only the paddles but the Fn buttons as well
You shouldn’t need a third party app for support. PlayStation been releasing a lot of exclusives on PC, they need to add support
@@FlipFlopGod it's Sony, atleast it had support I guess
@@FlipFlopGodyour talking out your ass, you don’t even have a pc cause you would’ve known any ps controller doesn’t work on windows without DS4 or DSX.
I wish they would make a PS5 controller with a better D-pad, more colors options, and more stick choices. Overall it looks good but its to high of a price point. Great Video Bob thanks for making a really good and thorough review.
I don't understand why they didn't include a customizable D-Pad. PS D-Pads are notorious for having the sticking defect. Sure enough my Edge came with a sticking D-Pad lol. I prefer the Elite
idk why they had to make the DS dpad so mushy. All the ones I've used feel like a considerable downgrade over the DS4 dpad especially for fighters
@@CruxisAngel954 so true I wish it at least had a good D-pad
@@glitch265 It has the best D-pad.
Scuf controllers you mean?
Battery life is what's stopping me from getting this controller. Everything else seems fantastic.
Just use it wired or take breaks
bro the ps6 will be out before the battery stops in that controller
Ridicoulus they even put a smaller battery in their pro controller. If you buy a DS edge you are lost. ☮️
Iphones battery have like 3500mah which is 3x more than this controller, and their batteries have the same physical size. This is a cheap battery for a $200 controller
@@lemonlime8949 this thing does 10 hours of gaming versus the switch pro controller or Xbox elite at 30-40 hours. The ps4 controller got me like 6 hours. Where’s the wave bird ran for like 90 hours. This is unacceptable
You can also use Steam to change the Elite Controller's back buttons, then it's changing based on the game you play and not the profile on the controller.
Maybe there will be an update to enable doing that with the Edge.
Steam Input disables Adaptive Triggers and Haptics, so while yes it could happen to work in the future, you also lose most of the DualSense specific features you'd buy it for in the first place.
@@bb_lou how many pc games are really gonna use that though? You’re not really buying it for those features if you’re only using it on pc
The DSX app on Steam also works pretty good to map the paddles and function buttons.
@@squidwardstesticles5914 then you’d just get an elite controller
@@sutoikku sure, but some people like me prefer playstation controllers so I'd rather have a dualsense edge even just for pc games that don't use the special features
Great production value on your videos, I like the simplicity of your editing too
The Rage Racer track... The nostalgia just came flooding in. Good sh*t bro. Salute.
A point for your review. If you connect the controller to the ps5 on usb. You are still using Bluetooth connection to play. You only use the cable connection if you go to options and change the connection to USB
I'm curious about what price point this controller will be on a future Black Friday or Amazon Prime Day, etc. If this was at least $50 cheaper, it would be a much more appealing option (I'll use the cash I save for driftless sticks and some sort of attached battery pack).
I’ve gotten so used to 4 back buttons with my Aimcontrollers that I can’t go down to 2. That along with the longer travel for the “hair trigger” setting of the triggers makes this a pass for me.
Quick watch and comment before he removes it
came here wondering as well if there was any reason behind the last video being deleted haha
Yeah why did he take it down?
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?what do you meen
Well egg is on your face now right
always love seeing a wulff den upload at the end of a long day :-D
Imagine if the big brands start using hall effect sticks and the replaceable sticks would be useless.
It adds very little to the cost of production and makes the controllers last significantly longer.
Unfortunately that will probably never happen because Sony and Microsoft want you to buy new controllers every year.
I heard Sony Could be developing some hall efftect sticks that youll be able to buy down the road.
Dont forget nintendo too since the xbox series controller,ps5 controller, and switch controllers, all use the same sticks.
My 8bitdo ultimate is fantastic. Gyro works flawlessly in steam. Macros are easy to assign in the software. Tho I mostly still use steam.
Sad there Dreamcast fixed this issue like 20 years ago
I hope they don't use haul sticks because they are highly overrated, they are far from perfect and has its own different issues over the standard controllers. I have the gulikit zen pro with the haul sticks and it had latency/lag issue and bad drift out of the box. I bought a secondary one to see if there were some kind of defect but it turns out they were both the same. The calibration was so bad when I tested them on in the switch's calibration menu. The analogs were all over the place. However after a firmware update the latency/lag was fixed as well as the analog calibration was way better than they came out of the box, not perfect but a lot better. The dreamcast was the last console to use haul sticks and I see why. I have a video that I'll upload doing a review on these soon
On the Dualsense Edge those function button's are absolutely for configuring your profiles and mapping the paddles.
Is there a reason you didn’t mention or compare the PS5 controller from Scuf? I feel like their digital triggers, grips and 4 paddles makes it a more “pro” feeling controller
There's actually multiple third-party companies for the PS5 controller including Scuf, Battle Beaver, Hex gaming, Aim, ect
I actually own a few of them, there really good. Also people have been testing the battery and it can actually hold 6 to 7 hours depending on your playstyle.
My right back paddle didn't work right out of the box. Customer support didn't want to pay for shipping, so I disassembled the edge controller to see what was going on. Simple fix though. Screws weren't evenly tightened.
I'm hoping they do release a revision with 4 back paddles. I have found myself using all 4 in most games I play, and it is really the only thing holding me back on this controller. Knowing how many ps only players exist though, it's a great step forward to have an option for them as well :)
It's a piece crap, only two back buttons, no concave high rise sticks, no tension adjustment. Elite is a better controller.
@@zZiL341yRj736 I completely agree! So long as you ignore the complete lack of features.
Such as:
Gyro
Adaptive triggers
Advanced haptics
A mic
Touchpad
As well as the Xbox elite controller's widespread qc issues.
They won't and don't need to
@@zZiL341yRj736 just say you can't afford it the controller is amazing
@@zZiL341yRj736 there will always be better controller but if you look at the edge and see it for what it is. It’s very nice controller but I do hope they make 4 paddles one in the future.
I like what I see outta the Dualsense Edge, but $200 dollars feels a little steep for a few things (specifically the connector housing) that I wouldn't end up using. I love seeing the swappable sticks that combat stick drift though, hope that becomes an industry standard.
Would love to see a second row of back buttons only because I use those specifically in FPS's. I think if Playstation did what Xbox does with their Design Labs, it would help justify paying so much money for a lot of people. As always great job on the video Bob!
I think hall effect joysticks need to become the industry standard, not swappable sticks. Companies should fix flaws at the root instead of profiting off them.
@@jet9385 read up a little on Hall effect, but they seem to have their own cons. I think for 20$ it’s not too bad to have replaceable joysticks
2 back buttons vs 4 back buttons.
You won't be able to reach d-pad with your right thumb with a DS-Edge.
You won't be able to press LT and LB together with the same finger with a DS-Edge.
DS-Edge is more expensive.
DS-Edge has relatively small BAT life. Need to charge more frequent = degrades faster = controller subscription.
Speachless...
Hall control 8bitdo ultimate is only 60, works grear
I Thought 200 Was Steep Until I Remembered I Spend 100+ Dollars At The Dispensary Every Week
Thanks for the video Wolf. I would want to get the ccontroller for the integration with the UI of the PS5. Also I play A LOT of the Souls games so it would be nice to have a controller where i could put O and Square on back paddle buttons. I use my 8BitDo Pro 2 controller for Elden Ring and DS3 on my PC and wish I could use it on PS5. TBH, controllers like this, the TURBO function is what i am really after. I hate having to rapidly press a button for firing of a weapon or picking stuff up.
I bought a black dualsense and modded it with that back attachment, games like destiny and other shooters with high jumps generate the necessity of good aerial aim so it was a first day required commodity
The only thing I can think of with the cable is to help with tripping over it, but again then something like the magsafe would be much better. I still remember playing Lego Dimensions (yes, I was one of those people) and tripping over the cable while the gamepad was connected to my PS4. The USB end snapped and I had to go to support and request a new gamepad, as you can’t replace just the cable end. Now that I could see having one of those locking mechanisms for!
Ridge Racer OST is just epic. The Moment I heard it, goosebumps. Bob did you ever play a RR game? I like RR2 on the PSP. And RR7 on the PS3.
When I got the original elite, I was blown away at the quality compared to the default Xbox controller. But I don't think that will happen if I get the edge. The default sense controllers already have great quality and feel to begin with. Does the edge feel noticeable better in the hands?
That massive screen casually playing black and white GB Tetris in the background is neat! Gargoyle’s Quest would really look brilliant running in that cabinet! I don’t have a PS5, my current lifestyle just couldn’t accommodate massive consoles like that.
Great Stuff, as always.
That grip joke was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
I'd like it if they had like a volta connector part way through as a breakaway magsafe cable, hate that volta is only usb2, but it has other tips so I have them in all my old controllers so I don't have to worry about the ports going bad
Great review and comparison. Totally fair and informative. Also, hilarious. Thank you!
Great videos wulf, thank you man!
Fun fact. All 4 extra buttons on the Dualsense Edge are completely remappable through steams built in input remapper. (only on a per game basis though)
It's definitely to support the C cable port. A tripped cable will always have a negative effect on the porch it's plugged into. Breakaway or not. That Port will become damaged long before the cable will. I've seen plenty of ports that become damaged to the point of being unable to charge the controller.
2:33
Just wanna say that if u plan on taking this controller to tournaments, having your controller disconnect is an automatic point for your opponent. Having this lock is pretty rad ngl
I'd rather they all use sticks that do not ever need replacement than to engineer everything to have replaceable ones.
But also, lol if it only gets 4 hours of battery. That means Xbox Elite and Switch Pro controllers get a MINIMUM of TEN TIMES the battery life. I've never measured, but my Elite controller feels like it gets closer to 80 hours than the supposed 40 in the specs.
For anybody that thinks it's not significant: you are putting 10 times the number of cycles on that DualSense battery, so it will need replacement much, much sooner.
I feel like I’m doing these videos a disservice by not drinking a warm cup of coffee in a library while watching them and I don’t drink coffee
Anything over 100 is too much imo, the Core went on sale for like 80 bucks in my country, I picked it up and got those back padels with some longer sticks off eBay for 20 bucks, its essentially an Elite 2 for 100, it cannot get better than this, but for some reasons it does not feel as good as the Astro C40
I don't mind the price, but a part of me wishes that it had that little lcd panel they put on that ds4 add-on. that way people could reprogram the back buttons without the need of any kind of software. although that would probably annihilate the battery even more.
Great video 💪🏾, what video game is being featured in the video??
Your videos are always a pleasure to watch.
RIDGE RACER MUSIC at the start :)
so glad i watched this to be honest. Was about to go pick mine up from best buy but going to hold off until i can access mappings without a ps5 itself. thank you
I have Xbox and PS5 so I’ve spent a few months with an Elite Series 2 and just picked up the DS Edge. There is no question that the Elite feels “elite”. It’s very premium, from the triggers to the grips, d-pad, and thumbsticks. The buttons are also “clicky” like all Xbox controllers. I only use 2 of the back paddles and even then, I find myself accidentally pressing them because they sit flush against the grip. Apart from that, love the Elite.
The Dualsense has an option of two bumpers if you don’t want to use the paddles, and I love them. No more accidental presses. The trigger stops do have a little more give, even on the shortest setting, than the Elite. Not a deal breaker for me. I love the customization settings being built into the PS5 as I have no plans to use the controller on a PC. I do wish that the additional sticks included weren’t all dome. There is no swappable d-pad option like on the Elite. Great to know you can swap out the thumbsticks components if you ever needed to, but that’s a feature I hope to never need. Still, it’s the best controller for PS5. Worth $200? No. This thing should’ve been priced around $140. Just not enough value given the lowered battery life, no real upgrade tot he texture, and use of same plastic components as on a regular Dualsense.
12:45 but if you want to, you can buy a modification to make them actually separate (and it is really good, I use that for playing tekken)
0:05 Silver Stream from Rage Racer.
Nice BGM choice, Bob!
They gotta make a black, green, or blue Dualsense edge and then I’d consider it
Both my regular DualSense controllers the D-pad became overly mushy very quickly. All I want is a Playstation layout controller as far as the sticks go, but with a good quality floating D-Pad (exactly like a Sega Saturn one).
I've had an Xbox Elite controller 2 for about 3 years now and the two bumpers have basically completely failed at this point. They both press in and about 90% of the time they get stuck and I have to manually pull them back out to their neutral position. The sort of like grip wrap around on the two handholds has also like deteriorated and the glue holding them on has lost its hold I guess. 3 years seems like good long while for a controller to hold out, but I think it's important to put into consideration the long term build quality when deciding to buy something that's sold at a HUGE premium.
I still use my Wii U pro controller on pc. Going strong 10 years, still 80 hour battery life
Sony pointing you to a website for re-mapping the back paddles makes me think they'll have more options in the future. (maybe a program on pc or an app?)
its a shame the duel sense edge can only be modified on a PS5, I am exclusively a PC player but I do use a controller for certain games on my PC and my dualshock 4 controller is finally after years of use starting to give up on me and I was thinking about buying the edge.
You forgot to mention, there are only two additional back buttons (as opposed to other elite/pro versions having four) 🤷🏻♂️
I’m on my THIRD ps5 controller. The stick drift issues are very real. The swappable modules alone make this worth my money but also I require back paddles and play on ps5 so it’s a win for me
Gamer Heaven tested the wired Vs wireless polling rate and he did actually find a difference. There were some quirks with his testing, as you said the Edge isn't friends with the PC right now, but what he found was worthwhile.
Hmmm, DSX looks handy. Been using DS4Windows since forever and it works great with a DualShock. I don't necessarily want to drop DS4 support (even if I don't use a DS4 currently), does DSX support it?
I have a dualsense edge and I love it. I'm a console only player so I have a ps5 and when being a ps5 owner it's nice being able to change button mapping in a menu on the console so I can easily see what is mapped to what. And the battery life is closer to 6-8 hours for me.
Having a Elite 2 controller, battery life seems like a massive miss. Idk what it's rated at but I feel like I get incredible battery life where I rare charge it.
"charging hole" made me very uncomfortable
It works with steam now. I was able to configure the back prattle for SF6
The cable lock is for Fishing simulator ultimate edition. It comes with a winch that you plug to a PS5 for ultimate haptic feedback.
Wolf testing the control playing Hifi Rush instead of something like forspoken is unintentionally funny.
You didn’t test the Battery, I have it and after 4 and a half hour it shows you need to charge it but it goes around almost 2 hours more to a total of 6 hours and 42 minutes for me.
It’s a good battery after all, if you also have the charging base then you are set.
Hopefully Astro will release a PS5 compatible version of the C40 at some point. I picked one of those up for my ps4 and never touched a first party ps4 controller after that. It not only has the replaceable thumbsticks, but the thumbstick and d-pad positions can be flipped around to make it a more xbox style controller (or even some abomination where both sticks are on the left side of the controller), plus the sticks can be recalibrated for minor stick drift instead of replacing them. If they could upgrade it to have the four back triggers like the xbox elite that would be great as well
I have heard that Sony is crazy demanding and protective for their controller, it will be hard to profit making Ps5 controller
You can remap the back paddles and the fn buttons to other buttons using steam input now
Lmfao "The Omega Stem" I busted out laughing 🤣🤣🤣
The cost of the Xbox Elite alone ensures it's victory. You'd have to go through 3 regular DualSenses to equivocate the price of the Edge. It makes no financial sense.
Like the other guy said the eilte is literally $180
I think of it when all features incl. back buttons works on the steam deck.
Have you got your hands on the razor one yet? Waiting for your review
I always watch your videos even though I only have a nintendo switch lite, idk it's soothing. I would like to see a video with cute controllers, like, which kawaii controller is the best technically, because you always sacrifice aesthetics for quality.
3:40 THIS. Most of my roommates are into Smash Bros and all of them have wired GameCube controllers that get left around. So many switches and controllers have come crashing to the ground.
I do enjoy a premium style controller for playing a third person narrative game. Everyone talking like these controllers only make a difference in first person shooters or other high-pace games, but in my opinion, the customizable options and especially the back buttons do make a big difference in feeling your gameplay experience feel smoother in any kind of game. Ever since I tried the back-button attachment for the PS4 I've felt an incredible relief and have had a smoother, more fluent experience by remapping buttons in a way that doesn't interfere with moving the camera. For example, jumping, dodging, interacting (like picking up collectibles while walking or especially running)... That's why I bought the DaulSense Edge, and I also have an Elite series 2 controller, which I bought on sale. I agree that the price is quite high and kinda absurd, but I do love my DualSense Edge after trying it on Ghost of Tsushima and Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, and I can't stress enough how fluent the gameplay experience becomes with one of these controllers even from a somewhat casual perspective.
Agreed. Casually it's very relaxing having back buttons.
Never had back buttons and at this point I don't think I'd get used to them. It'd be like trying to get used to an Xbox controller
@@TheBrandonn trust me I know how that feels, but after using them for a couple of weeks I don't think I could go without it due to the simple fact of convenience.
So the reason that lock is there for the cable is that Dualsense controllers can be used in wired mode - meaning you're not worried about interference or delay when playing competitive games. The lock is there cos if you're playing this, and it gets ripped out your game is done for
Fax people don’t know that I cut my Bluetooth off on my ps5 and do a wired connection way more responsive almost mouse like
many people use pro controllers as accessibility devices, and say you have nerve damage, muscle issues or missing fingers, 4 paddles is a really great option for working around that.
I found the cable lock made an already top heavy controller, more top heavy. my suspicion is that because the battery life is lower, they maybe use the cable lock as a psychological block to keep them more likely to keep it plugged in.
Someone please explain the point of having multiple colors for side plates and controllers, and them in stuff like this and the official charging station, they only come in white?
Nice choice for intro music, rage racer OST is full of bangers.
Here in Brazil the dual sense edge launch has been delayed 🫠
Immediate thumbs up just for using Silver Stream from Rage Racer in the intro 🙏
Plan on testing the NYXI controller?
not quite sure if this is a "vs" video as much as it is a review of the dual sense edge
Bro that was a solid idea for the cable not being able to pull out. Omfg I remember how bad the ps4 controller was with that shitty cable that kept falling out, or kept turning on and off. This is amazing!
15:50 literally this controller is sitting next to me on the charger lol
The cable lock is overkill, the USB A unplung before the C using a normal cable.
I love tumb stick down because I can use the index finger on the d-pad
I wish they’d allow people to map the back buttons to a button combination. Like, left paddle being L2+R2 and right paddle being R2+L2. I don’t get why none of these premium controllers do this.
It’s weird how they don’t have a shallower trigger travel considering how the normal ps5 controller has a very sensitive triggers where I barely pull them and they trigger
Damn! What game are you playing at 2:58? Fishing simulator?
Actually laughed out loud at the tug of war bit 😂
If you make profiles on the PS5, can you switch them with the function buttons while on PC?
My first dualsense had drift, credit to them they did replace it. Now THAT has drift. It is SO minor that I haven't had to replace it but, maybe the EDGE will be what I replace it with.
My edge automatically popped up on my ps5 when I turned it on. And it showed me everything about the remote.
Is there any indication that we'll ever be able to use the back "bumpers" as unique inputs? I was pumped about the prospect of assigning air roll directions to them in Rocket league, but was really deflated once I found out that I can only replicate existing inputs with those new buttons.
play on PC
That intro song was fire
I mainly play on ps5 and never xbox (don't like the controller or games) but sometimes play on pc and use keyboard and mouse (still not the best). The price is high and battery life is low but it looks great, responsive, has the features of a normal ps5 controller and has accessories that are useful. Will get this if I get into the competitive phase again and maybe is on a sale then.
On a note about drift, I've had my Joycons for longer and used them a lot more than my Dualsense controller. But my Dualsense is the one that has drift problems. So much so that I went ahead and bought a new one.
In context, I bought my PS5 to play GT7, and I play that with a steering wheel. I've only really played Returnal and Spiderman, so it's a very small amount of usage to begin having drift issues.
In contrast, I completed Zelda BotW with all the shrines, I got about 60% of all the moons in Mario Odyssey, I completed 3 pokedex, I shiny hunted a bunch of pokemon, and I have about 100 hours into my village in animal crossing. All of that with the original joycon and I still have no drift issues.
Wulff's obviously never been to Tekken weeklies.
And you's forgots to cover the front Fn buttons under the joysticks!
thx for the show tho! ;D
You can use dsx on pc to map every button and lighting.
The Xbox breakaway cable has saved me many many times I’d like to see PlayStation do that
The cable lock is probably for professional reasons. A cable disconnect will pause the game, and it's an auto lose of the round in a fighting game tournament for example.
Imo the Xbox elite is way better: the magnetic thumb sticks and varying heights are really cool. Also the dpad on the PlayStation controller is super overdue for a rework. Xbox’s new dpad is a big win!
All I'll say is that my xbox elite controller had multiple problems only a couple of weeks after I bought it when it was $200 which was really disappointing. Hopefully the dual sense edge doesn't give me the same problems
What keyboard do u use it was shown a little bit in the beginning?