Just curious, why can't this Slight Return mini pedal be used with an Amp Sim? I have a UAFX Dream, would your pedal not work well with it (like does the EQ side of the SRV Slight Return make that big of a difference?)
Slight Return Version I found is pretty versatile and gives me more upper mids and glassy treble in my rig. What I especially love is when a pedal doesn't get in the way of articulation and the SRV delivers tone without getting in the way of dynamics.
I really like the two button version of the SSS-SRV. The EQ channel is super useful. I even use the EQ side by itself to boost other pedals, similar to a Treble boost pedal
I've had the Vertex Steel Srting Supreme for almost 2 years and love it as much now as when I first got it. "Why get the SS MKII Slight Return?" is what I would've originally asked. For starters this sounds incredible but these Vertex pedals are extremely VERSATILE. Another bonus is stacking with other Vertex pedals like the SSS. Actually, these pedals are great to stock after you have found the sweet spot. These have far more uses than SRV territory also. Additionally, the SS MKII has a more expanse depth of tone so it will pair well for an extremely high volume of possibilities. I'm definitely buying one.
The Steel String Supreme is what I'd recommend with solid state or modeling amps. It has more tweaks and can really be dialed in with the second EQ channel.
I experimented with TS808 9 and 10 on Mary had a little lamb, and I feel it always sounds best without the TS. I think that song was all amp overdrive.
If you're getting more gain from your amp, you probably don't need the Tube Screamer, or if you do, you can back down the gain and maybe use more Level.
I have the SSS SRV Slight Return and cannot get it to sound anything like your videos. I’m running it with a great American Stratocaster with Texas Special pickups into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. What am I doing wrong? I run it into the front input of the amp between my guitar and the amp and my guitar still doesn’t get the sound like you are getting in this video or the video of the SSS SRV slight return. Someone please help me out
Where would you suggest that one would place this in their effects chain if they are playing through a badcat cub II with a double barrel first and a Browne atom after followed by a fuzz, two boosts amd a chores at the end of tue chain
I’ve got one! Bought from Sweetwater in March and I haven’t turned it off since. Played a Chinese Clone of this yesterday and it’s garbage compared to this!
@Vertex Effects The Steel String side includes filter, level and gain. So I'm going to have to engage both sides right? Considering this pedal has the rock/ jazz switch included in the Steel String side?
VERTEX, is vertex going to make a Providence Stampede Overdrive SOV-1 Dumble pedal? When using the Vertex SSS when rolling down the strats tone pot to 6-8 the Vertex SSS is suppose to have that dumble mid bump tone stack sound to get that john mayer mid scoop tone. Try to make a video lesson about this because its suppose to work but not sure if this vertex SSS pedal needs to be modified and add a switch to make the vertex SSS front end more sensitive to the strat tone pot impedance and frequency to you get that john mayer mid scoop effect. The strats tone pots rolled down + vertex SSS dumble tone stack mid bump = Layer mid scoop effect. Try to make a video lesson about this
I have an older Steel String clean drive and never thought it sounded that good through any of my amps (68 Super Reverb included). Now it has very low volume and sounds horrible. I am very disappointed after spending $200 and can’t even sell it because it’s broken.
So I have the same ML Deville and I have an original Dimension C chorus. But I was a bit confused as to how you were patching it in. Did you go out of the preamp out into the Dimension C and then the out of the Dimension C into the Power amp input? Or did you go through the dimension C straight into the front of the amp into the regular guitar input?
Pretty good sounds, might consider getting one. Only tone I thought was off was Mary Had A Little Lamb, seemed too gainy. Other than that, great sounds!
I had the MK1 for a while the only thing i didnt liked was that after.passing 9 oclock on the level it would have a huge boost on volume it was just too much and the gain was already high for a lead tone that i was using it on.
Mason, you know I’m a supporter, but NEITHER of the amps Stevie played through for “Let’s Dance” OR “Mary Had a Little Lamb” were Steel String Singers, my friend! Let’s Dance was one of Stevie’s Vibroverb’s and maybe a Super Reverb. Stevie did NOT own any Dumbles at the ti e of this recording, early 1983. The rig for Mary Had a Little Lamb, and the entire “Texas Flood” record did NOT contain a Steel String Singer! The rig for that record was a 150w Dumble “Dumbleland”, into a 4x12 cab, combined with one of Stevie’s Vibroverb. Only 1 of the Dumbleland’s 4x12 speakers were mic’d, as well as the 1x15” Vibroverb, both with SM58’s. I do love your pedal/pedals, they do a great job of capturing the Dumble clean sound, but I see a lot of your videos talking about recordings Stevie has made incorrectly pointing out the use of a Steel String Singer when it’s not the case at all. Stevie did not receive his first SSS until January 1984 at the start of the Couldn’t Stand the Weather sessions at The Power Station in NYC. You might say that Dumbleland’s and Steel String Singer’s are very similar. Yes they are similar, as the Dumbleland creation served as the starting point when Dumble designed SSS 001, which I know you’ve had the chance to play through. But Dumbleland’s are faster, stiffer, and cleaner than Steel String Singer’s. Very similar, but not the same.
Josh, thanks for the comment. We're definitely going for the big clean Dumble thing generally and this derivative voicing (slight return) is to get more of that HUGE clean D-style sound (like you'd hear from a Dumbleland or SSS) with voicing specific to certain iconic users that we know and love. "Let's Dance," as I recall, was a Dumble clean amp - I feel like this was validated by Jackson Browne and/or Nile Rodgers in interviews, but perhaps others have spoken on this. I'm always open to being corrected if there's definitive evidence to the contrary, but I think the bigger point is that the pedal captures a certain essence of that big clean tone which ultimate is what all those Dumble's were supposed to capture in terms of their character and vibe and I think the pedal does it well, undoubtedly and that's shown in these comparisons. Thank you again for your comment and for watching!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the reply! I understand that you’re going for the huge Dumble clean sound. All of your Steel String pedals are fantastic at making small iron amps sound and feel like big iron amps. No question about that for sure. It’s just that I’m a Stevie nut and stickler for the details. Any Google search can confirm result after result that Lets Dance is a Vibroverb. Stevie’s sound on that record isn’t that clean. It’s a cranked Fender, not a huge clean Dumble, recorded at the Power Station on NYC. The Jackson Browne connection is, as you know, Stevie and Double Trouble recorded Texas Flood at Browne’s LA studio over Thanksgiving 1982, and the Dumbland 005 that Stevie used was Jackson Browne’s own, that he had commissioned Dumble to build for him. It is now owned by John Mayer, along with Dumbleland’s 006 and 009, and Steel String Singer’s 002 and 004. Stevie’s Steel String Singers were 007, 008, and possibly 009/010
@@joshscus Sounds pretty clean for Let's Dance, message me and I'll send you the full isolated track (we only played part of it here). It sounds like a really loud clean amp, not some much a dirty amp to me.
@@Starch1b2c3d4a I was just using Google as a quick example. My research is from all of the books and magazine articles that have been written about Stevie, along with interviews and interview transcripts. Also Craig Hopkin’s 2 part book called “Day by Day, Night After Night” is a treasure trove of correct information, as told by the people who were there.
Again with the no level matching. There's like a 4db+ swing engaged. Of course this will sound "fatter" . Volume is the great deceiver and why the advertising agency (I guess similar to this eg) has been doing it for decades. For a clean boost? This seems great...Only listened to 6mins so
EQ is also a deceiver, if it has more treble and more bit, it's perceived as louder. This has got more gain than a boost, I would call it more of an EQ/Low Gain OD more than a boost.
Well, it's a totally different pedal to begin with although it looks similar to our standard Steel String MKII. It sounds good but more of a TS-style circuit and built according to it's price point (e.g. not the same thing for less money).
@@VertexEffectsInc right... and every pedal you have ever built has been a copy or modification of another pedal... or better yet... the pedal you copied and gooped and then stole peoples money... but yeah try to deflect off of nux.... besides the opening track sounds just live srv... and we all know he used a green pedal... it is amazing how a liar and thief such as yourself has managed to snake oil salesman your way into a relationship with people like sweetwater and managed to get over 100 k other clowns to join you at your circus... when you disappear from the music/ pedal industry.... it will be a better place....
@@Starch1b2c3d4a calling someone a clown from behind a keyboard that you don't know... shows your level of ignorance and softness... you clearly have a smooth brain and a iq of around 80... go back to your trailer and beat off to your copied pedal from vertex...
This product is absolute non-sense! How can a pedal in front of any amp make this amp a Dumbe. Not even discussing that there is not this Dumble amp and therefore not this one Dumble sound.
By that same metric, then every "Marshall In A Box" or "Vox In A Box" would be subject to the same "nonsense" would it not? We're not making any claim that any other amp in box pedal doesn't also make. The pedal, if you care to research, was voiced side by side Dumble Steel String Singer #001. That's not to say it replaces an amp, we don't claim that, nor does the video. All we claim that is in a pedal format, through a clean amp, this will get you as close as a solid state pedal can get to that sound and I feel we prove that in the video by comparing the pedal to actual songs that used Dumble Steel String Singer amps.
@@VertexEffectsInc The nonsense starts with the headline for your video. And you are ‚right‘: the entire niche of ‚amp in a pedal‘-products within the pedal market is questionable in my view. But the D-niche within this niche is icing the cake. It is marketing in the purest sense for a (simple) clean boost/preamp pedal finding its way in a more than saturated pedal market. Why not investing your money into a good parametric EQ box instead? Probably more versatile.
Untrue. It would depend on the boost and the amp it was hitting. If the amp is getting clipped that could be a consequence. Also, most boosts aren't linear so they'll add color. This is more of a low gain OD, or high gain Boost, it is designed to color but not in the way a typical boost might. It's focus in on re-creating the D-style clean tone and imparting that on your amp.
Order the Steel String Slight Return Edition here: bit.ly/43LBHek
Just curious, why can't this Slight Return mini pedal be used with an Amp Sim? I have a UAFX Dream, would your pedal not work well with it (like does the EQ side of the SRV Slight Return make that big of a difference?)
Slight Return Version I found is pretty versatile and gives me more upper mids and glassy treble in my rig. What I especially love is when a pedal doesn't get in the way of articulation and the SRV delivers tone without getting in the way of dynamics.
The "glass" on top with out being ice-picky is the real key IMO. We took a lot of time to really sort out that EQ through a variety of clean amps.
@Vertex Effects Yes, absolutely! Thanks for taking the time to make it great!
@@nathanielheale Thanks for watching!
On order! Tim's guitar playing gets better and better!
Woohoo!
I really like the two button version of the SSS-SRV. The EQ channel is super useful. I even use the EQ side by itself to boost other pedals, similar to a Treble boost pedal
So glad you dig it!!!
Great work again Mason, Love your pedals. I have the SSS SRV & Ultraphonix MkII both do the job perfectly. Thank you 👏👏
Wonderful playing, Tim - great job!
I've had the Vertex Steel Srting Supreme for almost 2 years and love it as much now as when I first got it. "Why get the SS MKII Slight Return?" is what I would've originally asked. For starters this sounds incredible but these Vertex pedals are extremely VERSATILE. Another bonus is stacking with other Vertex pedals like the SSS. Actually, these pedals are great to stock after you have found the sweet spot. These have far more uses than SRV territory also. Additionally, the SS MKII has a more expanse depth of tone so it will pair well for an extremely high volume of possibilities. I'm definitely buying one.
I have owned original steel string clean drive, and they have definitely worked better on tube amps than anything like a catalyst or a katana.
The Steel String Supreme is what I'd recommend with solid state or modeling amps. It has more tweaks and can really be dialed in with the second EQ channel.
I don’t need anything but I must have this freaking pedal!!!!!!
That amp sounded perfect already... Not sure what this pedal added, except a hole in your pocket 🕳️😉
Super cool pedal
Lol the amp sounded great without the pedal. Very minor changes to the tone with the pedal on, really.
Yup!
Thanks for watching!
YOU Did It I will GET ONE Great Job!!!!!
Woohoo!
I really like your videos, very informative.
I experimented with TS808 9 and 10 on Mary had a little lamb, and I feel it always sounds best without the TS. I think that song was all amp overdrive.
If you're getting more gain from your amp, you probably don't need the Tube Screamer, or if you do, you can back down the gain and maybe use more Level.
I want one!!!
Sweetwater has them in stock: bit.ly/43LBHek
tone town here i come!!!
Let's pile into the Miata and get in gear!
Is there any difference with the mkll version?
Is there a difference between the SSS Double Preamp and the SSS/SRV PEDALS
I have the SSS SRV Slight Return and cannot get it to sound anything like your videos. I’m running it with a great American Stratocaster with Texas Special pickups into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. What am I doing wrong? I run it into the front input of the amp between my guitar and the amp and my guitar still doesn’t get the sound like you are getting in this video or the video of the SSS SRV slight return. Someone please help me out
Where would you suggest that one would place this in their effects chain if they are playing through a badcat cub II with a double barrel first and a Browne atom after followed by a fuzz, two boosts amd a chores at the end of tue chain
Wasn’t the Dumble steel string singer modeld after a 63 fender basement with the six G6 B circuit?
I am still confused how to set up the boss dimension c wasa to get that texas flood studio tone, for a player who set his pedals one next to other 🤣
This video will help: ruclips.net/video/ZM-j4HBpIkg/видео.html
I’ve got one! Bought from Sweetwater in March and I haven’t turned it off since. Played a Chinese Clone of this yesterday and it’s garbage compared to this!
What is the difference between this one and the steel string clean drive mk1 ?
How do these settings translate to my SSS SRV supreme version? I would like to get these tones on that pedal.
On the Steel String side, it would be 1:1.
@Vertex Effects The Steel String side includes filter, level and gain. So I'm going to have to engage both sides right? Considering this pedal has the rock/ jazz switch included in the Steel String side?
@@Bairov You'd need to at least have on the Steel String Channel, that gives you Level, Filter, Gain only and Rock/Jazz.
@@VertexEffectsInc Perfect! I always thought the Rock/Jazz switch was apart of the Supreme EQ side. Good to know!
Sounds awesome 🤙. In your opinion, where would you put this in the signal chain? I might have to pick me up one of these 👍
J ai acheté le Steel string et l ultraphonix grâce nottement a la vidéo de la chaîne the studio Rats , je les attends d ici quelques jours ❤️
Is there a difference in the older 2010s original Steel String-Gold? I mean between the gold and silver versions of the same product.
VERTEX, is vertex going to make a Providence Stampede Overdrive SOV-1 Dumble pedal? When using the Vertex SSS when rolling down the strats tone pot to 6-8 the Vertex SSS is suppose to have that dumble mid bump tone stack sound to get that john mayer mid scoop tone. Try to make a video lesson about this because its suppose to work but not sure if this vertex SSS pedal needs to be modified and add a switch to make the vertex SSS front end more sensitive to the strat tone pot impedance and frequency to you get that john mayer mid scoop effect. The strats tone pots rolled down + vertex SSS dumble tone stack mid bump = Layer mid scoop effect. Try to make a video lesson about this
I have an older Steel String clean drive and never thought it sounded that good through any of my amps (68 Super Reverb included). Now it has very low volume and sounds horrible. I am very disappointed after spending $200 and can’t even sell it because it’s broken.
Need!
Sweetwater has it in stock: bit.ly/43LBHek
Ive been getting a bump from ocd 1.4 for years but im dying to know what this would do instead
So I have the same ML Deville and I have an original Dimension C chorus. But I was a bit confused as to how you were patching it in. Did you go out of the preamp out into the Dimension C and then the out of the Dimension C into the Power amp input? Or did you go through the dimension C straight into the front of the amp into the regular guitar input?
Pretty good sounds, might consider getting one. Only tone I thought was off was Mary Had A Little Lamb, seemed too gainy. Other than that, great sounds!
I had the MK1 for a while the only thing i didnt liked was that after.passing 9 oclock on the level it would have a huge boost on volume it was just too much and the gain was already high for a lead tone that i was using it on.
What pickups is Tim using on his guitar?
These are made by Sonic Pickups. Called "Rattlesnakes": sonicpickups.com/products/rattlesnake-specials-texas-blues-hot-wound-single-coil-set
The dualist does almost the same thing.
It’s possible to ship it to Germany?
See Thomann, they’re in German and carry these pedals.
Will it pair well with my Bugera v5 1x8" combo tube amp? ☺
It'll still sound good, but add more gain probably to something smaller like that without much headroom.
Mason, you know I’m a supporter, but NEITHER of the amps Stevie played through for “Let’s Dance” OR “Mary Had a Little Lamb” were Steel String Singers, my friend!
Let’s Dance was one of Stevie’s Vibroverb’s and maybe a Super Reverb. Stevie did NOT own any Dumbles at the ti e of this recording, early 1983.
The rig for Mary Had a Little Lamb, and the entire “Texas Flood” record did NOT contain a Steel String Singer! The rig for that record was a 150w Dumble “Dumbleland”, into a 4x12 cab, combined with one of Stevie’s Vibroverb.
Only 1 of the Dumbleland’s 4x12 speakers were mic’d, as well as the 1x15” Vibroverb, both with SM58’s.
I do love your pedal/pedals, they do a great job of capturing the Dumble clean sound, but I see a lot of your videos talking about recordings Stevie has made incorrectly pointing out the use of a Steel String Singer when it’s not the case at all. Stevie did not receive his first SSS until January 1984 at the start of the Couldn’t Stand the Weather sessions at The Power Station in NYC.
You might say that Dumbleland’s and Steel String Singer’s are very similar. Yes they are similar, as the Dumbleland creation served as the starting point when Dumble designed SSS 001, which I know you’ve had the chance to play through. But Dumbleland’s are faster, stiffer, and cleaner than Steel String Singer’s. Very similar, but not the same.
Josh, thanks for the comment. We're definitely going for the big clean Dumble thing generally and this derivative voicing (slight return) is to get more of that HUGE clean D-style sound (like you'd hear from a Dumbleland or SSS) with voicing specific to certain iconic users that we know and love. "Let's Dance," as I recall, was a Dumble clean amp - I feel like this was validated by Jackson Browne and/or Nile Rodgers in interviews, but perhaps others have spoken on this. I'm always open to being corrected if there's definitive evidence to the contrary, but I think the bigger point is that the pedal captures a certain essence of that big clean tone which ultimate is what all those Dumble's were supposed to capture in terms of their character and vibe and I think the pedal does it well, undoubtedly and that's shown in these comparisons. Thank you again for your comment and for watching!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the reply! I understand that you’re going for the huge Dumble clean sound. All of your Steel String pedals are fantastic at making small iron amps sound and feel like big iron amps. No question about that for sure.
It’s just that I’m a Stevie nut and stickler for the details. Any Google search can confirm result after result that Lets Dance is a Vibroverb. Stevie’s sound on that record isn’t that clean. It’s a cranked Fender, not a huge clean Dumble, recorded at the Power Station on NYC.
The Jackson Browne connection is, as you know, Stevie and Double Trouble recorded Texas Flood at Browne’s LA studio over Thanksgiving 1982, and the Dumbland 005 that Stevie used was Jackson Browne’s own, that he had commissioned Dumble to build for him. It is now owned by John Mayer, along with Dumbleland’s 006 and 009, and Steel String Singer’s 002 and 004.
Stevie’s Steel String Singers were 007, 008, and possibly 009/010
@@joshscus Sounds pretty clean for Let's Dance, message me and I'll send you the full isolated track (we only played part of it here). It sounds like a really loud clean amp, not some much a dirty amp to me.
@@joshscus You trust google and wikipedia a little too much… Your “research” is sus, bro
@@Starch1b2c3d4a I was just using Google as a quick example. My research is from all of the books and magazine articles that have been written about Stevie, along with interviews and interview transcripts. Also Craig Hopkin’s 2 part book called “Day by Day, Night After Night” is a treasure trove of correct information, as told by the people who were there.
Which pedal did you rip off to "create" this one ? Got goop ?
That’s what literally all pedal makers do lol. There are not many different types of circuits.
Sorry, the AKA is getting old, great content tho:)
Again with the no level matching. There's like a 4db+ swing engaged. Of course this will sound "fatter" . Volume is the great deceiver and why the advertising agency (I guess similar to this eg) has been doing it for decades. For a clean boost? This seems great...Only listened to 6mins so
EQ is also a deceiver, if it has more treble and more bit, it's perceived as louder. This has got more gain than a boost, I would call it more of an EQ/Low Gain OD more than a boost.
The NUX steel string singer sounds just as good for probably a lot less
Well, it's a totally different pedal to begin with although it looks similar to our standard Steel String MKII. It sounds good but more of a TS-style circuit and built according to it's price point (e.g. not the same thing for less money).
@@VertexEffectsInc right... and every pedal you have ever built has been a copy or modification of another pedal... or better yet... the pedal you copied and gooped and then stole peoples money... but yeah try to deflect off of nux.... besides the opening track sounds just live srv... and we all know he used a green pedal...
it is amazing how a liar and thief such as yourself has managed to snake oil salesman your way into a relationship with people like sweetwater and managed to get over 100 k other clowns to join you at your circus...
when you disappear from the music/ pedal industry.... it will be a better place....
Never seen ‘Jazz’ written on a pedal 😂👍 weird
Don't worry... if their is jazz written on a pedal that mason is involved with... then you can guarantee he copied or stole it from another pedal....
@@TravisCrown-g4c Travis Clown🙌 proud family im sure
@@Starch1b2c3d4a calling someone a clown from behind a keyboard that you don't know... shows your level of ignorance and softness... you clearly have a smooth brain and a iq of around 80... go back to your trailer and beat off to your copied pedal from vertex...
This product is absolute non-sense! How can a pedal in front of any amp make this amp a Dumbe. Not even discussing that there is not this Dumble amp and therefore not this one Dumble sound.
By that same metric, then every "Marshall In A Box" or "Vox In A Box" would be subject to the same "nonsense" would it not? We're not making any claim that any other amp in box pedal doesn't also make. The pedal, if you care to research, was voiced side by side Dumble Steel String Singer #001. That's not to say it replaces an amp, we don't claim that, nor does the video. All we claim that is in a pedal format, through a clean amp, this will get you as close as a solid state pedal can get to that sound and I feel we prove that in the video by comparing the pedal to actual songs that used Dumble Steel String Singer amps.
@@VertexEffectsInc The nonsense starts with the headline for your video. And you are ‚right‘: the entire niche of ‚amp in a pedal‘-products within the pedal market is questionable in my view. But the D-niche within this niche is icing the cake. It is marketing in the purest sense for a (simple) clean boost/preamp pedal finding its way in a more than saturated pedal market. Why not investing your money into a good parametric EQ box instead? Probably more versatile.
Yeah too much talking
All boosts bring up bottom end
Untrue. It would depend on the boost and the amp it was hitting. If the amp is getting clipped that could be a consequence. Also, most boosts aren't linear so they'll add color. This is more of a low gain OD, or high gain Boost, it is designed to color but not in the way a typical boost might. It's focus in on re-creating the D-style clean tone and imparting that on your amp.
*laughs in treble booster*
Wonderful playing, Tim - great job!