The Top Ten Most Powerful Sorcerers in the MCU

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    Magic within the marvel cinematic universe has always been an interesting topic to me since it was first introduced in phase one. And since then, the powers and abilities of the magic users within the MCU have grown to the point where Magic Users are able to warp reality at a whim. In this video I will be detailing my top 10 most powerful magic users in the marvel cinematic universe - I will be taking into account standard equipment, total power, amount of spells and versatility of the users spells, etc.
    0:00 Introduction
    2:14 Karl Mordo
    2:42 Wong
    3:25 Kaecilius
    4:23 Agatha Harkness
    5:48 Nico Minoru
    7:32 Tina Minoru
    8:42 The Ancient One
    10:26 Dr. Strange
    11:57 Morgan le Fay
    14:03 Scarlet Witch
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  • @KeyIssues
    @KeyIssues  2 года назад +205

    The top 3 was a really tough decision. I think number 3 will eventually move up to number 2 or number 1, but for now, they're in the #3 spot.
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    • @v_eh
      @v_eh 2 года назад +8

      Soon

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +14

      Sooooon

    • @dariencoffee94
      @dariencoffee94 2 года назад +25

      Not stronger then Wanda he will move to the second spot, no more.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +28

      Oh shit bro you’re from the future?

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 2 года назад +12

      No..... you're wrong... stop doubting yourself.
      You have the Top #3 perfectly well thought-through and summarised.

  • @GautamKumar-wx3sm
    @GautamKumar-wx3sm 2 года назад +1504

    There's one more fact about Scarlet Witch that was stated in the series, that is she can Spontaneous use magic without casting spells or doing enchantments. In other words, can use magic as she pleases and can do things she thinks of.

    • @benjaminbaird-kerr3500
      @benjaminbaird-kerr3500 2 года назад +237

      Right! “Magic on autopilot”

    • @reaganmoore8639
      @reaganmoore8639 2 года назад +42

      he does mention this in his separate video for Wanda

    • @darkrai98k69
      @darkrai98k69 2 года назад +3

      @@benjaminbaird-kerr3500 😆😆

    • @tomas2668
      @tomas2668 2 года назад +27

      Spontaneous creation = reality warping and transmutation... Both were mentioned

    • @aeyelashbug6311
      @aeyelashbug6311 2 года назад +20

      @@tomas2668 What they mean is that she doesn't need to use verbal spells like Agatha does.

  • @assadarlingtoni
    @assadarlingtoni 2 года назад +2075

    I can't wait for Wanda and Strange to finally meet in the Multiverse of Madness!

    • @cd8012
      @cd8012 2 года назад +117

      They were suppose to meet in wandavision, but marvel took him out because they felt like if they introduce doctor strange, the attention of the fans will be on doctor strange instead of wanda. They also said that one of scenes they removed were to teach wanda the magic that defeated agatha in the end.

    • @dailyshorts8784
      @dailyshorts8784 2 года назад +69

      @@cd8012 ya. I also think of that too! Because Dr. Strange is more loved/favorite by the people. Its literally a Series about Wanda and Vision but they will focus on Dr Strange lol

    • @nikhilmittal7054
      @nikhilmittal7054 2 года назад +12

      You know what it's my birthday on 25th March and movie is also releasing on the same day I am dying for that day.

    • @ikaikamadayag5308
      @ikaikamadayag5308 2 года назад +27

      @@dailyshorts8784 Wanda def has a bigger fan base

    • @sukihendrix
      @sukihendrix 2 года назад +1

      Riiiightt

  • @pepito2847
    @pepito2847 2 года назад +952

    Wanda taking on Thanos in Endgame was awesome
    But seeing her wreck fellow sorcerer Ebony Maw during the battle would have been awesome as well

    • @chrisgodfrey1880
      @chrisgodfrey1880 2 года назад +126

      Ebony Maw isn't a sorcerer, he is a telekinetic, more akin to mutants of that power. Definitely powerful, but not a magic user directly. Even in comics he isn't a magic user, he just has abilities of mental manipulation and control

    • @assadarlingtoni
      @assadarlingtoni 2 года назад +68

      Honestly it would've been so cool if she chased Thanos (because it made no sense she just forgot about him after) and then Ebony Maw would try to stop her from trying to kill his master and then there will be epic battle where wanda defeats Maw (cause let's be honest she'd defeat him)

    • @muhammadimsar469
      @muhammadimsar469 2 года назад +12

      She can defeat maw easyly, she just need to ruin maw’s mind any further

    • @SoraKingdomss
      @SoraKingdomss 2 года назад +3

      @@chrisgodfrey1880 Actually ebony is a sorcerer in the mcu.

    • @chrisgodfrey1880
      @chrisgodfrey1880 2 года назад +21

      @@SoraKingdomss No, he is just a powerful telekinetic. He does not cast spells, he does not know magic

  • @kimberly8695
    @kimberly8695 2 года назад +586

    I can see why you would leave off any Asgardians. All Asgardians are versed in some form of magic.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +76

      Yeah, they deserve their own list.

    • @greenlantern9577
      @greenlantern9577 2 года назад +7

      They are honorable mentions in a top 11 to top 20

    • @sergeantsainsburys9181
      @sergeantsainsburys9181 2 года назад +10

      Old man loki pretty strong

    • @Prince_the_One
      @Prince_the_One 2 года назад +24

      None of the Asgardians really showed much magical talent. Loki only recently started showing proficiency in magic, before he was just a shapeshifter. Freya was said to know magic and teach it to Loli, but even she never showed any great magical talent and she died super fast by just a regular weapon. Odin is the only Asgardian we know of who would even make it to this list.

    • @jesusramirezromo2037
      @jesusramirezromo2037 2 года назад +4

      Few of them know actuall magic
      Just Freya, Old Loki and Silvie

  • @THED3ADLY7
    @THED3ADLY7 2 года назад +526

    I think that Wanda and Doctor Strange are going to be in the top 5 at least.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +39

      I’d say you are right

    • @user-ky3xk3cr7f
      @user-ky3xk3cr7f 2 года назад +8

      They are the 2 more powerful creatures in the whole universe

  • @chestergervacio823
    @chestergervacio823 2 года назад +426

    Even if wanda becomes a villian I will still love her

    • @DavonDepp
      @DavonDepp 2 года назад +12

      I feel like she’s supposed to. And I feel like we as an audience are supposed to go thru a journey of madness with her before she ultimately chooses hood again. The rollercoaster is inevitable lol

    • @obama8285
      @obama8285 2 года назад +1

      average dumb Wanda Stan

    • @Physchwo
      @Physchwo 2 года назад

      T

    • @cassiecasareo9193
      @cassiecasareo9193 2 года назад

      @@obama8285 a-

    • @cookiii3110
      @cookiii3110 2 года назад

      agreed

  • @hyunsoo_zx2747
    @hyunsoo_zx2747 2 года назад +167

    I wonder if Wanda being an hexus being immediately puts her above any other sort of being? Like, she is an event herself, a walking, thinking and powerful event

    • @nnodireginald6912
      @nnodireginald6912 2 года назад +33

      I agree, like the scale of her power is quite incomprehensible. I can't wait for multiverse of madness

    • @visibleguy1573
      @visibleguy1573 2 года назад +4

      Hmmm i kinda agree with this

    • @yoyomayne
      @yoyomayne 2 года назад +11

      It does, Nexus beings are some ofthe most powerful beings, and their children above them

  • @msquared9605
    @msquared9605 2 года назад +182

    I feel like Morgan le Fey’s most underrated power is being able to control and influence men and most women with just one look at her
    Honestly Elizabeth Hurley is one of the wonders of this world

    • @I-am-stevo
      @I-am-stevo 2 года назад +1

      56 to, insane

    • @FriendlyNeighborhoodGayGuy
      @FriendlyNeighborhoodGayGuy 2 года назад

      Over here looking like Charlize Theron as Clea

    • @tonygabagool
      @tonygabagool Год назад

      I’ve seen every mcu movie and never seen this character. What is she from?

  • @danielturner1249
    @danielturner1249 2 года назад +512

    I think Agatha should be above Nico. She is able to resist and absorb power from the Scarlet Witch, who for a long time was raw and wild in her extraordinary power much like Nico. I think Agatha could steal her power and resist her reality altering abilities like she does with Wanda's. Just my two cents, love the video. Any thoughts?

    • @ahmadday64
      @ahmadday64 2 года назад +28

      i agree, i think agatha would steal the staff

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +90

      Nico is above as she has the ability to simply banish Agatha to the dark dimension which Agatha could do nothing about. Additionally, Nico can use Dark Dimension power, Agatha couldn't absorb all of the power Nico can summon. Don't see that as a win condition for Agatha.
      Also, post-training Nico would be a master of the mystic arts, Wanda was not.

    • @bare9830
      @bare9830 2 года назад +15

      @@ahmadday64 the staff can only be used by nico also nico can just teleport the staff back

    • @popcultureclips182
      @popcultureclips182 2 года назад +18

      Nah Wanda clearly outclasses both

    • @danielturner1249
      @danielturner1249 2 года назад +40

      @@popcultureclips182 Well yes obviously, Wanda is number 1. I just think Agatha has a goid chance of beating Nico

  • @mikee4462
    @mikee4462 2 года назад +89

    I love that my girls Nico,Tina and Morgan were here. Thank you 😄

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +12

      Glad you liked it!

    • @auglyrat9235
      @auglyrat9235 2 года назад +7

      We need to see them again! Hopefully in Young Avengers or something

    • @jefe-
      @jefe- 2 года назад +4

      Am I the only one that never knew about this lmao

    • @Crazyoldman84
      @Crazyoldman84 2 года назад +2

      @@jefe- I didn't 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @f1jones544
    @f1jones544 2 года назад +53

    Magic, the plot armor that keeps on giving.

  • @cherechesalexdaniel811
    @cherechesalexdaniel811 2 года назад +110

    Dr strange with the time stone vs Morgan le fay would be an interesting match up.

  • @beyondzetabyte
    @beyondzetabyte 2 года назад +107

    Morgan la fey is the one of the characters which you can't watch in living room

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +18

      lmao

    • @amanpuri7079
      @amanpuri7079 2 года назад +1

      Which movies/tv shows does she appears? I didnt even see her on the mcu

    • @pyrobob5724
      @pyrobob5724 2 года назад +5

      @@amanpuri7079 she's in Runaways. I actually haven't watched that far into the series but I'm definitely going to catch up now.

    • @pyrobob5724
      @pyrobob5724 2 года назад +3

      @@KeyIssues you ought to have a sponsorship from The Runaways show, nobody has hyped me up to watch it as much as you lol

    • @realawesomeos
      @realawesomeos 2 года назад +1

      @@pyrobob5724 so true

  • @cryharley
    @cryharley 2 года назад +88

    I think one of the major things that show Wanda is the most powerful is that the others spent decades and some of them even centuries to do half the stuff Wanda does, while Wanda did the things she did without even knowing what she was doing or that it was magic

  • @firery794
    @firery794 2 года назад +88

    Yeah I can see how Wong is at #9. The fact that he got destroyed by a fire hydrant is not a good feat.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 2 года назад +18

      Fire Hydrants are OP in MCU

    • @firery794
      @firery794 2 года назад +4

      @@darthkek1953 yeah

    • @panjar9634
      @panjar9634 2 года назад +13

      Fire Hydrant > Wong

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +10

      T_T

    • @kieron1212
      @kieron1212 2 года назад +1

      Lmao i thought he would be higher but nvr mind

  • @hpmc7426
    @hpmc7426 2 года назад +57

    I think the Ten Rings should be a special mention as Wong stated that when Shang Chi used the rings, they felt it in Kamah-Taj. Those are likely magically artifacts by nature.

    • @steepyt
      @steepyt 2 года назад +3

      Ten Rings is not magical, but a weapon that can manipulate elemental forces, which makes it fit to ShangChi who is a master of Chi (natural energy force). What wong detected is the strong energy disturbance created when the rings were being maxed out during the fight.
      Unless of course, MCU retcon it.

    • @zacherybryan8501
      @zacherybryan8501 2 года назад +2

      Shang-Ci was not released till after this video

  • @saehtnyS
    @saehtnyS 2 года назад +18

    i love how you mentioned that she is the ONLY sorcerer that can use astral projection WHILE conscious

  • @billykim9584
    @billykim9584 2 года назад +2

    notice if you drag the progress bar you'll see youtube's new feature "most replayed" and you see Wanda/Scarlet Witch's introduction having the most replayed part of the video.

  • @ODISeth
    @ODISeth 2 года назад +25

    This is really useful for me cause I wasn’t aware there even were 10 notable enough sorcerers to know about in the MCU lmao

  • @MegaOwy123
    @MegaOwy123 2 года назад +51

    Finally recognition for the shows

  • @chaychaytatskie2903
    @chaychaytatskie2903 2 года назад +7

    Wanda Maximoff is a walking Mind Stone, Power Stone, Reality Stone
    Scarlet Witch is THE walking Infinity Gauntlet

  • @WhiteRaven696
    @WhiteRaven696 2 года назад +48

    I need Nico to show up in the movies, she’s so amazing.

    • @jyannananana1717
      @jyannananana1717 2 года назад +1

      Has to be the same actress I hope... Lyrica Okano did great and plus points for doing her own stunts...

  • @Akeno_Koneko
    @Akeno_Koneko 2 года назад +17

    Was fun working on this one! I used to watch a lot of cw DC shows but watching Runaways was something 😅

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +7

      Fantastic editing! Thanks again 😁

    • @RK-2411
      @RK-2411 2 года назад +2

      Yeah this is well edited 👍😊

  • @mothiskobeni
    @mothiskobeni 2 года назад +6

    Nice to see runaways getting some love, I never see it mentioned in these kinds of videos

  • @kadrehall522
    @kadrehall522 2 года назад +38

    I love Wanda to my heart .the 1# best character ever:)

  • @Dragonfire-ir5ln
    @Dragonfire-ir5ln 2 года назад +52

    Also there are some theories that wanda just BECOMING the scarlet witch made the nexus events from loki

    • @afifi2779
      @afifi2779 2 года назад +1

      Nope its not...it supposed to happen...it is she destiny

    • @rednblue4383
      @rednblue4383 2 года назад

      @@afifi2779 i know but what they're saying that event was so powerful it caused a crack, but the director i think confirmed that wanda becoming the scarlet witch did not do it, but they're sneaky, so we're not that sure

    • @afifi2779
      @afifi2779 2 года назад

      @@rednblue4383 crack??? That has nothing to do with nexus event....she is indeed destiny to become scarlet witch..the darkhold who was written million years ago proof it...all of these is supposed to happen

    • @rednblue4383
      @rednblue4383 2 года назад

      @@afifi2779 dude a crack in the multiverse is basically a nexus event and it has nothing to do with something that is not supposed to happen it just generated a lot of really powerful energy (like doctor strange messing up his spell, don't tell me him messing it up was not supposed to happen)

    • @afifi2779
      @afifi2779 2 года назад

      @@rednblue4383 The Watcher talk to Ultron in what if ep 8....The Watcher domt realize he talking to Ultron is part of the "script" AKA sacred timeline...both travel to each universe while fight...and Nexus Event is something that not supposed to happen..where you get your info about "nexus event has nothing do with with not supposed to happen"??

  • @lapizlapoppy
    @lapizlapoppy 2 года назад +9

    Love how The Runaways' characters are on here. Definitely an underrated show.

  • @Bob-fe8qn
    @Bob-fe8qn 2 года назад +57

    The only one I disagree with is the ancient one. Personally I would put her at the top however the feats I use are inconsistent and it’s kind of a highball

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +16

      Strange just has more consistent feats + he should have more experience than her + eidetic memory

    • @Empire_11
      @Empire_11 2 года назад +5

      yeah key issues you were wrong about that one

    • @Anthony-po3dx
      @Anthony-po3dx 2 года назад +1

      @@KeyIssues no

    • @niweshlekhak9646
      @niweshlekhak9646 2 года назад +4

      @@KeyIssues by no means Strange has more experience, she has probably looked into the future multiple times, Strange did it only once.

    • @redeem5858
      @redeem5858 2 года назад

      Cry

  • @daltonhawthorne4538
    @daltonhawthorne4538 2 года назад +3

    This was an awesome video. I loved every choice you made. I have an idea that might help within what I call “The Multiverse of Television!” You’d get examples of Genie (Jafar Genie) from Aladdin, Rumplestiltskin (Once Upon A Time) and more I cannot yet think of. You have really showcased where true power does lie!

  • @Nulono
    @Nulono 2 года назад +2

    What I love about this channel is that it's one of very few MCU channels that actually cover the entire MCU instead of just the movies and Disney+ series.

  • @BartSyrenno
    @BartSyrenno 2 года назад +24

    Centuries Old Sorcerers: With Practice Comes Power
    Wanda: Yall Practiced?

    • @Nico.Minoru
      @Nico.Minoru 2 года назад +1

      Wanda practiced aswell idiot…she practiced inside the comic and live action just stop trynna make her seem like something she isnt. Spreading misinformation is all fun in games untill you get corrected then yall start getting defensive over being confronted. 😐 sit down

    • @BartSyrenno
      @BartSyrenno 2 года назад +1

      @@Nico.Minoru Chile why u getting mad over a joke, I literally said it as a joke cus Wandas magic in the MCU came really easily for her in the beginning bruh

    • @Nico.Minoru
      @Nico.Minoru 2 года назад +1

      @@BartSyrenno proving my point…when confronted yall get all serious and defensive.😐 nd no you didnt state that it was a joke, no where in the comment did you mention it was a “joke” take a seat next please.

    • @BartSyrenno
      @BartSyrenno 2 года назад +1

      @@Nico.Minoru bruh I'm all serious and defensive cus u picked a fight over nothing, it's pretty clear it's a joke. Literally the most dumbest thing to prove a point on. Girl bye, you thought u ate.

    • @Nico.Minoru
      @Nico.Minoru 2 года назад +1

      @@BartSyrenno defensive cause you got called out for spreading the wrong information..clearly showcasing everything i said in my comment. Uneducated and foolish dont speak on something you dont know about. If your not gonna argue civil then dont start- cause clearly you still need classes, the way you project is coming off as a low level learner….☺️have an amazing day! Make sure to get a daily check up “girl”.

  • @connorgolden4
    @connorgolden4 2 года назад +23

    Good thing you don’t include the Asgardian as, they’d take up several high spots. The odinforce is super OP.

    • @niweshlekhak9646
      @niweshlekhak9646 2 года назад +4

      Odinforce is not magic though, it's just brute force.

  • @naveenraj6264
    @naveenraj6264 2 года назад +3

    Well said about wanda. Explored the wanda's powers details completely.

  • @adityathakur8481
    @adityathakur8481 2 года назад

    Man I just found out due to Invincible and now watching your video teaches me the depth of these characters and story. Amazing Channel you have grown.

  • @carlocruz3192
    @carlocruz3192 2 года назад +5

    Imagine if wanda studied mystic arts like dr strange, and became a student of Agatha.

  • @bigkk4923
    @bigkk4923 2 года назад +26

    I think Strange could be 1st if you count with the time stone, all though I also think that Wandas magic is more powerful than Stranges magic. We haven't seen a real fight with Dr.Strange were we see his power fully, in his first movie he had just started out with magic, in Infinity War he couldn't use the time stone in combat and in Endgame he didn't have the timestone with him and he knew that he couldn't fight Thanos bcs he knew that Tony had to. Also, Strange have all the books to read in Kamar Taj and I think that that will make him more powerful

    • @Jack-hi1hq
      @Jack-hi1hq 2 года назад +13

      The dark hold contains infinite knowledge and shows the reader whatever they’re looking for. By that logic Wanda would still be number 1 I think

    • @danibobmk1998
      @danibobmk1998 2 года назад +6

      Wanda is still definitely the most powerful

    • @SwatiKumari-lh7ef
      @SwatiKumari-lh7ef 2 года назад +1

      Can we talk about strange without time stone, eye of agamotto, books of Kamartaj... can we??

    • @1slummzzs
      @1slummzzs 2 года назад +1

      It’s already written in the dark hold, MORE POWERFUL THAN THE SORCERER SUPREME..

    • @bigkk4923
      @bigkk4923 2 года назад

      @@1slummzzs Strange knows way more spells, Strange has way more skill than Wanda, sure she might have more pure power but Strange knows more than her

  • @chrisgodfrey1880
    @chrisgodfrey1880 2 года назад +6

    So I only watched the first season of the Runaways but after this video I'm far more inspired to dive into season 2 and 3

  • @MasterZel
    @MasterZel 5 месяцев назад

    Finally someone includes Runaways as a part of the MCU! Thank you

  • @MegaMason2005
    @MegaMason2005 2 года назад +1

    U ate the whole video up

  • @shafir9080
    @shafir9080 2 года назад +21

    I would Put Agatha higher, she absorbs any magic energy projected to her. She took out a whole coven of proficient witches, has dark hold access and only bested by the number 1 on this list.

  • @decholes95
    @decholes95 2 года назад +3

    I’m a simple man I see a video involving Scarlet, I click

  • @fynningwersen6735
    @fynningwersen6735 2 года назад +1

    Nice video and looking forward for the top video of the asgardians.

  • @yoyomayne
    @yoyomayne 2 года назад

    New subscriber, keep up the good content 👌👏

  • @RK-2411
    @RK-2411 2 года назад +5

    I'd love to see more top 10 lists 🥰

  • @torrentarrow9097
    @torrentarrow9097 2 года назад +15

    Loki should be super powerful and a op sorcerer but got nerfed into oblivion in the MCU sadly

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +5

      Holding himself back. We will see him become extraordinarily powerful

    • @kronos1794
      @kronos1794 2 года назад +8

      The show shows what he is capable of. Old Loki recreated Asgard which to me means he was able to create it out of nothing which is high level magic.

    • @kronos1794
      @kronos1794 2 года назад

      @GM Rey Sigh. I really miss comic Loki. He was just so much more menacing

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 2 года назад +2

      I like the Classic Loki explanation... if MCU Loki had spent less time with brute stabby things and more time with magic he'd be vastly stronger.

    • @niweshlekhak9646
      @niweshlekhak9646 2 года назад

      @@darthkek1953 Frigga says in Thor 2, Loki is not interested in reading books. So, whatever he learned is probably what interested him.

  • @jyannananana1717
    @jyannananana1717 2 года назад +1

    Loved the Tina and Nico Minoru inclusion ❤️

  • @chaychaytatskie2903
    @chaychaytatskie2903 2 года назад +4

    The only person who can stop Wanda is Wanda

  • @thatneli
    @thatneli 2 года назад +10

    MCU has powerful sorcerers and we were probably gonna get more in the future

  • @Shiftry87
    @Shiftry87 2 года назад +5

    At first i read the tagged comment and thought Scarlett Witch is for sure number 3 without knowing if the Wanda series would be used here and she would go up to number 2 then number 1 as that series progressed. But sense they did use the Wanda series here then definatly number 1 100% agree.

  • @dimond360_
    @dimond360_ 2 года назад +2

    I noticed there’s a new Star Wars canon power scaling tier list out. Perhaps we could see your opinions on some of these characters or your ranking?

  • @doctor4961
    @doctor4961 2 года назад +6

    Dude i love it that you include non marvel studios media, since they are a part of the MCU as well (like tie-in comics or series), most yt channels don't include them just bcs they are not as famous

  • @Protocol36
    @Protocol36 2 года назад +5

    Awesome video! It will be interesting to see where Doctor Doom would land when he gets introduced in the MCU 🤔

    • @MajinMind
      @MajinMind 2 года назад +1

      Directly after Dr Strange or higher, depending on the iteration

    • @mitchietorres_stan
      @mitchietorres_stan 2 года назад

      wasnt he on fantastic 4?

    • @stephenheath8465
      @stephenheath8465 2 года назад

      @@MajinMind Comic book canon not MCU,between Strange and Morgana

  • @klydeoliversecular8553
    @klydeoliversecular8553 2 года назад +10

    I vote for Wiccan aka Billy(son of Scarlet Witch) to be more powerful than her mother and he also becomes a Sorcerer Supreme with the guidance of Dr. Strange and also he is called as a Messiah/God in another dimension..

    • @rust5427
      @rust5427 2 года назад

      It's weird as he will become the Demiurge, which is the one that created the elder gods, of which chthon is included. It's like a cycle.
      Wanda gives birth to Billy, Billy becomes the Demiurge, Demiurge creates the elder gods, Chthon imprints Wanda with chaos magic. It's self referential

  • @danykay1117
    @danykay1117 2 года назад

    Wow, thanks for the info 😎

  • @cherechesalexdaniel811
    @cherechesalexdaniel811 2 года назад +7

    Do a top 10 most powerful star wars characters.

  • @purevessel4506
    @purevessel4506 2 года назад +40

    Doctor Strange Supreme from What If is definitely the most powerful sorcerer. He was able to change a fixed point in time that even the time stone couldn't do and momentarily held back the universe from collapsing and his shields still stood even after the universe was destroyed. He is OP

    • @nnodireginald6912
      @nnodireginald6912 2 года назад +3

      I think the video is looking at their individual powers and strengths without power ups. Strange supreme was augmented by draining the power of other magical beings. Something Agatha Harkness does well.

    • @sergesmpoungui8546
      @sergesmpoungui8546 2 года назад +7

      @@nnodireginald6912 the video was made 2 months ago, I don't think it includes strange suprem

    • @user-cv9uj2yg1e
      @user-cv9uj2yg1e 2 года назад +2

      That's a what if story, it has it in it's name. Meaning that it's not canon, it's just a "reality" where this event happened, I think the video was about a more canon version of the MCU

    • @kdsniperr6270
      @kdsniperr6270 2 года назад +9

      @@user-cv9uj2yg1e that’s actually false. What if is cannon to the MCU and confirmed to be by the directors. What if just didn’t effect “our” timeline

    • @redeem5858
      @redeem5858 2 года назад +2

      If what if truly scales to mcu than Wanda is above the sorcerer supreme which is dr strange if I’m correct.

  • @lucioback6698
    @lucioback6698 2 года назад +8

    Once Doctor Doom makes an appearance he’ll easily be in the top 3

    • @stephenheath8465
      @stephenheath8465 2 года назад

      People forget that he is not only a brilliant Scientist/Engineer, but a first rate Magic user also

    • @lpnvgaming5236
      @lpnvgaming5236 2 года назад

      @@stephenheath8465 i never knew he was a magic user

  • @taylernorris5647
    @taylernorris5647 2 года назад +2

    Update needed with “What if…” out.
    Cagliostro (O-Bengh)
    the Evil (or lost his heart/split) Dr. Strange
    And Shang-Chi
    The Mandarin and the Ten Rings

  • @nathshivakavi8015
    @nathshivakavi8015 2 года назад +1

    I totally agree with your ranking

  • @majicogarcia8417
    @majicogarcia8417 2 года назад +9

    13:28 I really like Morgan's character and she probably is in the top 3 maybe even higher, but I dont know about her time stoppage feat.She is able to cast illusions indistinguishable from reality, so how difficult would it be for her to convince a novice like Nico that she had momentarily stopped time?

  • @austinamponsah1297
    @austinamponsah1297 2 года назад +9

    Loki should have been added he's not an asgarden he even got drunk

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 2 года назад +3

      His magic isn't hugely powerful unless as Classic Loki.

    • @doctor4961
      @doctor4961 2 года назад +4

      Well he is part of the "asgardian mythos" and a asgardian citizen

    • @austinamponsah1297
      @austinamponsah1297 2 года назад +2

      Okay Migrated🌝🌝

    • @alienalchemist
      @alienalchemist 2 года назад +2

      Loki is a Frost Giant.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад +5

      Thor would consider him an Asgardian.

  • @user-im2ou9oc9v
    @user-im2ou9oc9v 2 года назад

    A cool vid thanx :)

  • @MegaMason2005
    @MegaMason2005 2 года назад +2

    YOU ATE THE TRANSITION FROM NICO TO TINI MINURO

  • @Vader255
    @Vader255 2 года назад +4

    Great scaling video as always.i can't wait for the kylo eclipsing vader video most people down play kylo heavily even tho he's a top tier and in my opinion is only below the force gods,Sidous and Vader.also an amped rey.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 2 года назад

      Fun fact: Kylo and Rey do not exist in REAL Star Wars.

    • @Supershackda
      @Supershackda 2 года назад +2

      @@darthkek1953 Fun fact, gatekeeping and saying things you don't like aren't part of a fictional universe that you don't have any creative input into doesn't make you a 'real' fan, it makes you a cunt.

  • @silverninja5218
    @silverninja5218 2 года назад +5

    I like this I don't know Morgan Le Fey that much but I will take you judgment into consideration. Also Scarlet Witch's reality warping I believe is permanent as the bulletproof vest that was changed into a dress could be taken out of the hex. Also the reality stone isn't permanent as when Thanos left Drax and Mantis went back to normal so Scarlet Witch is presumably more powerful then a infinity stone.

    • @johnelmartagbago3764
      @johnelmartagbago3764 2 года назад

      Im pretty sure Thanos just wants to delay his opponents, so he doesnt bother making the reality warping effects permanent.

    • @afifi2779
      @afifi2779 2 года назад +1

      Nope...the reality stone can be permanent...when thanos turn the whole place become a fire...that is permanent

  • @Killer-Frost18x
    @Killer-Frost18x 2 года назад +2

    It’s simple and obvious that Wandas powers out shine stranges by a ton. She can astral project while in the state of both minds where as strange can only be in one mind during astral projection. She doesn’t have to make weird hand movements to cast magic or weapons such as strange. She flips her fingers a few times a casts a massive wave of magic without speaking or doing crazy hand gestures. It’s so much obvious information as to why Wanda is more powerful than strange but a lot of people are still in denial of that

    • @purevessel4506
      @purevessel4506 2 года назад +2

      She's definitely more powerful than main timeline Strange that's for sure. It was even confirmed in WandaVision. Doctor Strange Supreme from What If destroys her along with the rest of the Avengers tho

    • @Killer-Frost18x
      @Killer-Frost18x 2 года назад +1

      @@purevessel4506 well mcu canon the scarlet witch was retconned basically as a celestial. She’s this “mythical being” who was forged and destined to destroy planets and her power exceeds that of all the sorcerer supreme roles so she smashed base strange by a mega ton. She has chaos magic, reality magic, and the dark hold book. 3 new items which buffed her insanely. I don’t think strange supreme has chaos magic but I do know he can really take over a bunch of realities with his powers.

  • @nana09181
    @nana09181 2 года назад +2

    Wanda is my favorite marvel chacracter cause she is so powerful she can litteraly change the reality without and struggles she easily kill all the magic users by just snapping her fingers

  • @redeem5858
    @redeem5858 2 года назад +3

    After seeing the leaks for the his new upcoming movie, Wanda is gonna be a next level powerful world ending being.

  • @MynameisJoey
    @MynameisJoey 2 года назад +5

    Could you make a difference between true MCU canon and the half-canon shows? (Like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger and the Netflix Shows)
    I'd personally like it better that way, but I understand that that's an endless discussion.
    Still, I really like your videos!

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 2 года назад +3

      They're fully canon.

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 2 года назад +5

      Now to tackle some misconceptions.
      *Helstrom was confirmed to not be set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe*
      Marvel Television boss Jeph Loeb confirmed the Adventure into Fear shows were connected to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. through the same iteration of Ghost Rider.
      The show contains the MCU-exclusive brand O'Harren's Scotch Whisky from several of the shows.
      The show contains MCU-exclusive newspaper The San Francisco Tribune from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
      The show contains MCU-exclusive newspaper The Dallas Record from Iron Man 2.
      The show contains MCU-exclusive newspaper The New Orleans Gazette from Cloak & Dagger.
      The show contains the MCU-exclusive design of the Roxxon logo from Cloak & Dagger.
      A newspaper that appeared had an unseen reference to the Sokovia Accords. The official prop is how we know this.
      Actors and tweets have referred to it as MCU.
      Paul Zbyszewski's interviews referred to the show primarily as not tied to the MCU, as in not tying into anything else, telling a standalone story. In the same interviews, he referred to it as "a pocket of the universe", making it clearer what he meant.
      *The snap didn't happen*
      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 occurs because of Avengers: Infinity War. The events of that film are referenced heavily from 5x19 to 5x22.
      If Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S6-7 were not in the main timeline, the Earth would be destroyed in 2018. There is no work around.
      In Avengers: Endgame, we see that society functions after the snap. People still go to restaurants, have jobs, and play video games. In WandaVision, we see hospitals are operational.
      Captain America says that people have moved on from the snap. We can see that only a few people are still going to group therapy.
      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S7 was intended to have a reference to the snap, with it being explained that the Quantum Realm could theoretically allow someone to survive the snap.
      The Runaways were only in Los Angeles after the snap occurred, and didn't have time to learn about the snap due to the issue of Morgan Le Fray.
      The Corvus WizPhones completely distracted users from their outside lives. It would definitely drive attention away from the snap.
      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S6 didn't see much from the civilian point of view, and S.H.I.E.L.D. were preoccupied dealing with Sarge, Izel and the Shrike invasion.
      Helstrom, taking place in 2020 or 2021, is far enough after the snap that it is reasonable that a lot of people would move on with their lives.
      It is more unlikely that most of Peter's classmates died from the snap, as well as the original Avengers surviving the snap while the newer movie characters don't, than the cast of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. surviving, but those happened as well. It being unlikely doesn't make it impossible. It's simply plot convenience.
      Theories
      The Runaways cast were in the Dark Dimension during the snap, which is outside of time and in another dimension. It's possible that they were not susceptible.
      It is unknown if demons are susceptible to the snap, and if they weren't, half of Helstrom wouldn't have been counted as a part of the 50%.
      *Different Tina Minoru*
      When Kevin Feige was asked about Tina Minoru in Doctor Strange, he stated that the Minoru in Doctor Strange is just an easter egg. "We never say Minoru in the movie, do we? No. So that picture, if it is in the art of book, is the only place you’d ever see that name... That’s how we always build the universe. There’s so many characters in the books that if we have need for a person to be in this place at this time and have a line or have no lines, we still want it to be someone, and often times that’s how the names come about. And the names we pull are the ones that are relatively top of mind or have been amongst characters we’ve thought about, like the Runaways, for a long time. I would call that an Easter Egg that most people won’t even see."
      *WandaVision's Darkhold design*
      WandaVision's director, Matt Shakman confirmed that the WandaVision's Darkhold is the same Darkhold from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. It was just redesigned for WandaVision.
      *Mahershala Ali as Cottonmouth and Blade*
      An actor playing more than one character does not decanonize anything. Gemma Chan, played Minn-Erva in Captain Marvel, yet she will play Sersi in Eternals. Michelle Yeoh played Aleta in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, yet she will play Jiang Nan in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. It doesn't really matter if Mahershala Ali will play Blade, because Cottonmouth is already dead.
      *Phil Coulson wasn't mentioned to be alive in Loki*
      Phil Coulson did die for 5 days after Loki killed him. Mobius' point was to make Loki feel bad because Loki is hurting people. Mentioning that Phil Coulson will be resurrected will not help Mobius.
      *James Gunn said shows aren't canon*
      James Gunn has no word in what makes it into a project he doesn't coordinate nor participate in. On the other hand, both the book "Wakanda Files" and the newest Disney attraction "Avengers Campus" allude to Netflix and ABC's shows in more than one occasion. James Gunn also denies the official tie-in comics are canon, dispite Marvel confirming they are with an official Red Stamp to state such. He also doesn’t know which Superman Bloodsport shot in The Suicide Squad dispite saying it’s set in the DC Extended Universe moments earlier. Additionally, he blatantly lies about having discussions regarding a Marvel/DC crossover movie. He was also unaware that Marvel Studios are developing an R-Rated Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, which is Deadpool 3, further showing his incompetence.

    • @cd8012
      @cd8012 2 года назад

      @@probot6515 its only half cannon as none of them appear in the official timeline

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 2 года назад

      @@cd8012 I agree that they aren't "cannons", but they are certainly canon to Earth-199999.
      Which official timeline? If they aren't included on any timeline, that's because of two reasons. For one, there's so much content. For two, they aren't a part of the Marvel Studios franchise.
      Not being relevant to the main storyline has nothing to do with canon. Kevin Feige has stated they are canon and the Marvel Studios franchise has contained nods to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter. What more do you need? Oh yeah, Daredevil is in Spider-Man: No Way Home and Kingpin is in Hawkeye with the exact same actors.

    • @cd8012
      @cd8012 2 года назад

      @@probot6515 wow this is very compelling

  • @matthewcampos6517
    @matthewcampos6517 10 месяцев назад

    Cool video, good vibes. I love runaways and appreciated having them power scaled in this video. Have to point out Runaways isn't really in the MCU at this time. The hulu series was stand alone and not connected with MCU proper.

  • @muthudeva1573
    @muthudeva1573 2 года назад +1

    Evil strange :hold by beer 🤣🤣🤣😂

  • @kennykarakura1030
    @kennykarakura1030 2 года назад +8

    Should wanda really count as a sorceress her powers are god level

    • @Mark001thefirst
      @Mark001thefirst 2 года назад +3

      yes its magic

    • @kennykarakura1030
      @kennykarakura1030 2 года назад +1

      @@Mark001thefirst yeah ok

    • @Nico.Minoru
      @Nico.Minoru 2 года назад +1

      There not god level…bruh wanda stans just make up so much non factual information. 😑 embarrassing and annoying

  • @TechnicalT
    @TechnicalT 2 года назад +3

    can we get a cloak and dagger power scaling?

  • @WJH1984
    @WJH1984 2 года назад +2

    I'm outraged over the exclusion of the Hellstroms. :P

  • @camgeorge6222
    @camgeorge6222 2 года назад +2

    Sorry again but I think u also forgot that agatha can seemingly bestow powers to others eg Ralph boner she made him a speedster despite to pose as Pietro and Ralph was just a human actor.

  • @zacharyhenzhon5539
    @zacharyhenzhon5539 2 года назад +3

    Every magic user gets thought how to use it
    Wanda: hey look i can make breakfast for dinner with my magic

  • @asherkime5910
    @asherkime5910 2 года назад +9

    Agatha is number one because the most powerful magic of all was the catchy theme song

  • @trell_a
    @trell_a 2 года назад +1

    Nico and Tina are cool as characters, and Nico as a sorcerer. Morgan as well.
    Wanda’s always gonna be the #1 W for me

  • @alternativemagician5172
    @alternativemagician5172 2 года назад +2

    I love Nico Minoru, super underrated. Glad she made the list

  • @harrypausanos4128
    @harrypausanos4128 2 года назад +3

    Yeah no one could stop Wanda as we saw in dr strange MOM. She's now the most powerful avenger in the MCU

  • @josephgiesing8714
    @josephgiesing8714 2 года назад +4

    How do you think strange supreme from what if episode 4 would scale on this list? Would he be in the same ranking as standard dr strange, or number 2 or 1?

    • @purevessel4506
      @purevessel4506 2 года назад +3

      Number 1 easily. He would pretty much destroy everyone on this list including Wanda after WandaVision

    • @godspeed6980
      @godspeed6980 2 года назад +1

      @@purevessel4506 true, that Dr.strange was able to do well against ultron with the infinity stones, while that ultron kinda just destroyed zombie wanda

    • @poppycock8397
      @poppycock8397 2 года назад

      @@godspeed6980 though it was zombie wanda who still don't know that she's a witch, i believe WV wanda will put up a fight cause we still haven't seen a feat of her with the DH....

    • @kdsniperr6270
      @kdsniperr6270 2 года назад

      @@poppycock8397 I highly doubt it.

    • @redeem5858
      @redeem5858 2 года назад

      Still number 2 since it was canonically stated that Wanda>> sorcerer supreme which is dr strange.

  • @28.4km
    @28.4km 2 года назад +1

    Can't wait for Dr. Voodoo and Wiccans MCU Debut💙💚

  • @andrewpham898
    @andrewpham898 2 года назад +1

    Would love some context about the 3 wierd characters, origins, movies, etc

  • @Myunajj
    @Myunajj 2 года назад +3

    cant wait for wiccan to be in the #1 spot

    • @gabrielm925
      @gabrielm925 2 года назад

      So true but his mother will always be number one she technically wiped out all mutants because of doctor strange

    • @Myunajj
      @Myunajj 2 года назад

      @@gabrielm925 well wiccan is the demiurge so.... Idk lets see where this goes

  • @Bob-fe8qn
    @Bob-fe8qn 2 года назад +6

    I don’t know if dormamu counts but I do think he would be number one if he did

  • @littlebigbunnyrabbit9520
    @littlebigbunnyrabbit9520 2 года назад +1

    I'm happy Runaways portrayed Morgan as a powerful sorceress rather than a jabroni. She's usually overlooked.

  • @GBamaBoy
    @GBamaBoy 2 года назад

    I would like to see you do Scarlett Witch vs Phoenix Force. That "Scarlett Witch over everything" saying you give us at the end of your video would change. lol

  • @projekttaku1
    @projekttaku1 2 года назад +26

    the mcu makes characters that are really weak in the comics really strong and make characters that are strong in the comics pretty weak and it annoys me a little bit

    • @captainsimp8864
      @captainsimp8864 2 года назад +4

      Like who?

    • @Farbauti616
      @Farbauti616 2 года назад +3

      @@captainsimp8864 Loki is a prime example of this

    • @tophertwo4342
      @tophertwo4342 2 года назад +1

      @@Farbauti616 I’m confused did they completely nerf Loki or give him an Insane power boost? and who else is like that

    • @zamzamdobashi7304
      @zamzamdobashi7304 2 года назад +6

      Valkorace they nerfed Loki STUPIDLY. He’s a wimp in the movies. But is able to equal dr strange in the comics.

    • @Farbauti616
      @Farbauti616 2 года назад +3

      @@zamzamdobashi7304 they nerfed Loki so bad that even I think Agatha Harkness would just ragdoll him. He’s practically just been reduced down to to Lady Sif that makes illusions and likes daggers.

  • @spawncampe
    @spawncampe 2 года назад +6

    Now that What If is out, Supreme Strange is number 1. He destroyed his universe and defeated Ultron with infinity stones, which is more impressive than Thanos with stones since that universe had stronger stones and Ultron doesn't hold back

    • @aletharicks5334
      @aletharicks5334 2 года назад +1

      The Scarlett witch is the goddess of chaos who could quite literally blip him from existence with a mere thought

    • @spawncampe
      @spawncampe 2 года назад +4

      @@aletharicks5334 funny, Ultron said the same thing and look how that turned out

    • @aletharicks5334
      @aletharicks5334 2 года назад

      @@spawncampe thanos had to spend half his life looking for stones Wanda can do it anytime she wanted

    • @spawncampe
      @spawncampe 2 года назад

      @@aletharicks5334 why'd you bring up Thanos?

    • @aletharicks5334
      @aletharicks5334 2 года назад

      @@spawncampe felt like it

  • @quickforce9004
    @quickforce9004 2 года назад

    If you check the MCU wiki you will find that the staff used by the "unknown sorceress" was just called "the Staff". It and the Staff of One are 2 completely different mystic artifacts.

  • @dalanium98
    @dalanium98 2 года назад

    actually pretty good

  • @lindenskywalker6881
    @lindenskywalker6881 2 года назад +3

    Should update this list after doctor strange 2 👌

  • @captainmalcolmreynolds1526
    @captainmalcolmreynolds1526 2 года назад +5

    I think ghost rider should be on the list since he is technically a magic user

  • @custodiojamal5150
    @custodiojamal5150 2 года назад

    Each magic has their own different main application usage like
    Eldritch magic 🟠 - Conjuring shields and weapons made with pure energy
    Dark magic 😈 - Absorb different energy and people's life force
    Asgardian magic 🐍 - summoning weapons (daggers & swords mostly) and illusions tricks
    Chaos magic ♦️ - Casting spells without incantations and warp reality
    Witchcraft 🧙‍♀️ - Use *runes* to enchant and summon demonic entities, i think
    Mirror Dimension Magic 🔲 - Open a portal to the mirror dimension and manipulate the entire space and matter within
    Dark Dimension Magic 🌑 - Gives power to manipulate space & matter in reality and temporal Longevity

  • @Istari68
    @Istari68 2 года назад

    Nice list.

  • @CrazyW0nderland
    @CrazyW0nderland 2 года назад +3

    I would love to see Niko in this MCU universe. With the same actress, she is so good.

    • @ph3onix.m3r72
      @ph3onix.m3r72 2 года назад +1

      shes in the marvel: midnight suns game or whatever its called alongside the avengers, and in the runwaways comics she is linked the the avengers and captain marvel so I think they're slowly inching closer to adding Nico in

    • @CrazyW0nderland
      @CrazyW0nderland 2 года назад +1

      @@ph3onix.m3r72 that would be amazing

    • @apollo7817
      @apollo7817 2 года назад

      marvel shows such as runaways are technically classed as mcu i believe

  • @laurence4557
    @laurence4557 2 года назад +3

    where would u put billi maximoff in this list?

  • @isaacmaximoff5619
    @isaacmaximoff5619 2 года назад +1

    Top 2 and not 2. Great list she’s only just getting started and will only continue to get more powerful.. Cant wait for multiverse of madness!

  • @yueshijoorya601
    @yueshijoorya601 2 года назад +2

    My classic Loki has already been forgotten :')

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  2 года назад

      He will be in the Asgardian video