The whole Thank Goodness number actually happens in the Emerald City after Madame Morrible spreads fear about Elphaba, my guess is the flower fields could be one of the opening scenes for the movie, since No One Mourns The Wicked Glinda is in Munchkinland proclaiming Elphaba’s “death” (the leaked footage from set last year confirms this)
I feel like Idina Menzel as Dr. Dillamond would actually make a beautiful “passing of the torch” moment between the first and newest Elphaba! There’s something so poetic about Cynthia’s Elphie starting her journey as an activist through the person who originally gave Elphaba her voice 🥹💚🖤 Would also explain why we know nothing about the casting!
Abso-frickin-lutely! I know it's unlikely that they did that, but if they did I'm literally going to break out into tears in the theater. What a beautiful moment that would be
It’s been said that it’s a CGI goat but a woman is playing him(her?) So no James Corden. The fact that they’re still not spilling the casting for this makes me suspicious it really is someone special.
😬The book is so different. Game of Thrones different. Suffice to say that they don't have a problem with Fiyero being the scarecrow in the book. The musical made a couple of clever changes and callbacks to make a great self-contained piece of musical theater. It will be interesting to see how different this goes. I also love how the Dorothy track in the musical is off-stage and I know they put the more explicit movie-OZ imagery in the trailer because most of the people seeing it are in Wicked kindergarten and aren't possibly schooled in deconstructionist literature and that's for them. Its _hilarious_ that the entire drama of The Wizard of Oz is not even the main thing concerning the Wicked characters. You never really see her in the book either - Dorothy is a pawn and the Wizard's _secret weapon_ and the Twister is _mentioned_ (like how you hear on the news about a tornado that happened in another state) but Elphaba's perspective is her sister died. I think Elphaba grouses to herself in the middle of other things about how frustrated she is trying to reason every day with this farm girl to take off her shoes when all she does is weep...which they turned into comedy in the show. I'm sure they _could have_ paid for the rights for the original film iconography, but it's funnier and more in the spirit of Wicked if they don't bother. I'm 99% sure this movie isn't going to invent scenes with Dorothy... _this ain't her show._
Hopefully that is one thing from the books that gets added in so Fiyero isn't turned into the scarecrow, and that Boq isn't turned into the Tinman, that was such a dumb change in the musical
@@Legacysong2012 In the books elphaba actually assumed the scarecrow was fiyero. I don't think it was a "dumb change" for the musical, I actually think it was clever and added more to the story.
13:58 This particular bit isn’t a workaround, because most of Dorothy’s appearance is in the public domain, since she was described in the original 1900 novel described her as having silver shoes, a gingham dress, and a little black dog, around age 10 or 11. The silver shoes in the musical take after the Wicked novel, which take after “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” novel. They also can allow for the lion because he’s an actual lion-rather than the copyrighted “man in a lion costume walking upright” thing they had going on in 1939-in the novels. Many other coloring choices (in both the stage and film) reflect ethnic characteristics of Ozians in the 1900 novel: Glinda and her servants are wearing purple (along with her trademark pink) because she’s from Gilikin Country, where the traditional color is purple. The little children in the tulip field are wearing red because they’re Quadlings, and Avaric wears yellow on stage because he’s a Winkie. Shiz’s uniforms are blue because it’s a Munchkinland college.
Avaric isn't a Winkie, unless you are referring to the fact that "Fiyero" in the musical is just Avaric in the books? Avaric is Gilikin like Ginda, Fiyero is the Arjiki prince from the Vinkus, called Winkie Country
It looks like Miss Coddle is being played by Keala Settle, according to IMDB, so new theory needed for Kristin’s role. Idina as Dr Dillamond would be perfection.
@@MichelleSinTO Miss Coddle is a new character that will be one of the headmasters of Shiz like she is not Glinda's nanny. I can confirm Idina & Kristin will just have a cameo during Wizomania
Right, the slippers were made ruby to show off the advancement that was Technicolor. Plus most of the books of Oz entered the public domain this year, maybe that’s why they can show Dorothy as depicted in the books- the movie itself will enter the public domain in 2034.
The shoes are silver in the original Wizard Of Oz book as well. The only reason for being ruby in the 1939 movie is because they popped in the Technicolor process.
It's definitely Idina Menzel voicing a female Dr. Dillamond. They had a woman green screen puppeteer on set who did and read the scenes with Cynthia, and they're having an "unannounced" cast member voice the role -- wonder who it could possibly be? Also, Idina posted a Goat emoji on some social media website a few months ago, suggesting it.! I think the cameos of the OG's in the film will be Kristin as Ariana's Mom being dropped off at Shiz and Idina as a female Dr. Dillamond who's also a guide to Elphie so it nods to the OG production and such. xxx
I always thought Idina would play Melena, Elphaba's mother in the scene where she has the affair and gives birth to Elphaba. But I think you might be onto something
My theory is that if the Dorothy footage is in part 1, the movie is going to start with the end of the Wizard of Oz just to familiarize the audience and then the shot of Glinda getting in her bubble machine is her leaving Oz and flying to Muchkinland for No One Mourns the Wicked.
@@ferosha99 exactly! I wouldn’t be surprised if the opening shot of the movie is that hat scene we see with all the steam around it. Then cut to Oz with Dorothy stepping in the room. I’m so excited to see what they do!
Dr. Dillamond will not be James Corden. But I'm 90% sure it's gonna be Lin Manuel Miranda. Especially considering him and Jon Chu have worked together on In The Heights
I swear to god if I go and sit down in a movie theater to watch wicked and see James Cordens name or face I will actually cry....partly from laughter partly from sadness
1:42 you forgot the 2013 movie Oz The Great And Powerful, although I’m not deep into Oz lore so maybe that’s a different thing (I’m not saying it’s a GOOD movie, just one that takes place in Oz)
He’d be so so good, like I’d love that, but he’s been working on other stuff fairly consistently, and hasn’t really made mention of anything he had to nip away/take a break for
My thoughts: Wicked is such a brilliant musical (and book) that it has worked in the moments of when Dorothy and the gang are supposed to be here and there so well done on stage, that I think in the movie they are able to expand upon them. We forget when we watch a musical, we think the scenes that are happening are instant, but really there can be moments, days, months to years passing in between scenes, like between act 1 and 2 is atleast 5-10 years? if not more. The moment after As Long As You're Mine is when we see the yellow brick road and it insinuates the fact Dorothy just landed and she was led off to the Emerald city, that scene in the original movie is atleast 15 mins long, and then after the March of the Witch Hunters, we see Dorothy is kidnapped, thats so much time in between when we see the Tin Man and the Lion protesting to them being backups for Dorothy, like atleast a couple days! Needless to say, I think there are moments like that that are gonna be expanded and we'll be able to a tally comprehend the timeline of Glinda and Elphaba having their thing while Dorothy and the gang meet and all. Another point, I actually don't mind that the battle cry is in the trailer, a lot of people were upset cause its one of the most iconic, if not the most iconic riff in musical theatre. But, I will say arguably, No Good Deed is a harder song to sing and act than Defying Gravity. DG has its moments by NDG is just sung through without stops or dialogue, and Elphaba is so hurt and angry from everything that has f*cked her over that it is, again arguably, THE climax of the musical, where we see Elphaba really be "Wicked". Yes Defying Gravity has its plot point to convey too but, No Good Deed has a whole bunch of things to accomplish in the 3 minutes it is.
Hearing Ryan’s take from being in Wicked and Sam’s thoughts as being a lifelong fan are really interesting. I never knew Wicked would need rights to show more of those characters. You guys always have such great conversations, and I love watching your videos!! Much love 💖💚
I think if James Corden was going to play Dr. Dillamond, they wouldn't be waiting so suspiciously long to announce his casting. But if they gender-bent him and cast Idina or Kristin, that would be more worth this silence because it's a more shocking reveal. I'm staying optimistic that the long wait means it's someone really good.
Has anyone thought maybe the "riff" at the end of the trailer is just a "maybe" riff? Think for a minute...do you really think they only had her record just ONE riff?? I'm sure she did multiple and different ways! It's possible that this was the TEST to see how people responded to it only to put in another record of her riff at the end of defying gravity? Thoughts?
Hot Take: “Thank Goodness” is boring and too long in my opinion 14:04 it could be referring to the original silver slippers that Dorthy wears in the book series as well. As Ryan pointed out there is some copy write issues regarding the 1939 film starring Judy Garland as the Ruby slippers are not in the public domain (this color change was actually a design choice because color was fairly new to film and Technicolor/MGM Studios wanted a color that would pop) so in order to get around it in productions like The Wiz and Wicked they reverted back to Silver
Concerning Dr. Dillamond, Bowen Yang confirmed that the character is in the films. However, he stated that it was a female puppeteer standing in as a voice had not been cast yet. So Idina or Kristin being a cameo voice is very plausible.
ShenShen was on the right side of the screen behind Galinda when they were commenting on the character, not the left. IMDB credits Bronwyn James for ShenShen; Bowen Yang is credited as Pfannee.
I wonder if the clip of Dorothy and the Gang is part of the opening to the musical since the musical starts when the Wicked Witch has been killed. Kind of like a set up for those who don’t know the story as well?
Ooh! I don't know when y'all changed your profile pic, but I like the rebrand. Comments as I watch this vid: - I ALSO loved those glasses. - I'm a little worried with how dark the ballroom looks on screen. - Maybe the "wedding" is in Galinda's mind. - I wonder if part one will end with Dorothy arriving or if we're getting clips from BOTH movies. - Paying homage to the musical and thus the Wizard of Oz book. - Great point Ryan. It's like what they did with DUNE a bit. We got a world-building trailer not a movie trailer. - Also, using Dorothy grabs the attention of people who have NO IDEA what Wicked is, especially during a football game. - "...who can sing AND act." I understand what you mean, Sam. I understand. - *sprays Ryan with a water bottle* No, Ryan! Bad, Ryan! Don't say things like that. I REALLY hope some of the other commentors are right and it's a legacy actor as Dr. Dillamond. (Crosses fingers for Katie Rose Clark as Dillamond 😆) - We should keep that in mind. This is a world-building trailer for the hoi polloi and not the musical and theater nerds. It mainly showcased 1) the world, 2) the two leads, 3) two A-list actors as iconic roles, and 4) elements people would quickly recognize in less than a minute. Marketing was smart with the expensively short time they had.
I think the wedding is on Elphaba's mind! She's imagining what will happen in I'm Not That Girl... I also think that Idina will be Dr Dillamond as she hinted it on social medias!
I just recently finished reading the "Wicked" book and *spoilers* Fiyero and Glinda do not get married in the book either. They don't even date in the book. In the book he is already to when he comes to Shiz to a woman named Sarima. He got married when he was 7 because that's Winkie royalty culture. He does however have a fling with Elphaba and those who have read the book know how that turned out.... Don't want to spoil sorry.
James Corden as Dr Dillamond please!! SAID NO ONE EVER! I agree with Ryan, if James is cast and we see it, I think it will bring down the whole movie. There are other talents out there… BUT, here’s a thing… will Dr Dillamond be a CGI Goat or an actor in goat prosthetics like the show? Because we see a CGI Lion, and CGi Monkey, so will he be CGI too? No one’s talking about this…!, 🤔
Dorothy's slippers in the book were silver, so they didnt have skirt around the color of her slippers. in the MGM Wizard of Oz they were Ruby because color was still a fairly new thing in cinema so they wanted to capitalize on this.
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering where Dr. Dillamond is. He quite literally is the catalyst for soooooooo many plot points within the book/musical.
I think the two main reasons he’s not shown in the teaser are it’s a spoiler for a cameo (very likely Idina) and also CGI will take longer to create and perfect, so putting out a teaser now they probably won’t have finalised the CGI yet
@@la.uraloxYes! And knowing how much backlash films get from bad CGI characters they probably want to make sure it looks perfect before they reveal anything
@@ferosha99 exactly! They can show the cgi locations as they’ve been able to work on them before/during filming, but they have to use an actor to create the movements and a separate one for voice acting to then cgi the character so I’m assuming they’re still working on that
Sam--never fear, be proud of your 20 viewings--i'm at least twice your age, and I'm quite certain I've watched it at least 40 times in the last couple of days! 😂 Ryan--nice catch with the usage restrictions on the depiction of Oz from the 1939 film, if I'm not mistaken, Disney ran into the same problem with the original version of the Big Movie Ride at the Studios. For quite some time, there was a huge gap with literally nothing shown when they couldn't get the licensing for the tornado itself. I definitely want to look into that more! Having said that, i'm not sure that this is the reason that the slippers are silver, rather, I believe that they're silver, not Ruby red in the original book. Anybody!
Idk i feel slighty bad saying this i dont like talking about people idk. But although i think ryan gives great comments and knows alot about the business and he can be very cool to listen to. When he doesnt say arrogant things. He comes off a bit like he thinks hes a huge talet and catch and he doesnt understand how hes not an A list star yet. Even if his comment about how it shouldve been him in the movie was a joke you could tell he meant it and really felt that way. He comes off as a bit bitter and arrogant idk maybe its just me. I feel like if he was just himself without the "and i did this on Broadway for 200 shows and i played the role on the anniversary and should be in the movie too cause i was the best one at it, and there was merch you could buy with me in it because im so impressive" feel to him and i would actually find what he says more interesting
I don't think the general public understands how excited I (and most theater kids of the world) am for these movies. I think I might die if I don't see this as soon as it comes out 😆😆😆
I realy got a feeling Dr Dillamont is going to be a woman. I think it could be interesting with the dynamics with Madam Morrible. I also hope those relationsschips is going to be more like the book!
when i saw the trailer during the super bowl i jumped 10 feet off my couch and i looked insane my family was so confused because they hate theatre!!! 😛😛
The thing is, Elphaba's mom presumably died at quite a young age, after giving birth to Nessa, and the part that's shown in the musical iswhhen she got pregnant and gave birth to Elphaba, so I assume whenever she's shown she would be in her 30s and 20s. Idina is in her 50s, so that would be a little odd...
I love the fact that we’re actually able to see the sorceress seminar that’s mentioned in the musical, but not really Shown..I love that extra layer that they added. I cannot wait man!!!
I suspect Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz teasers are intended to draw in people who aren't familiar with the musical or the Wicked book. It's very possible that Dorothy won't be a big part of the movie, but she's a draw for moviegoers who wouldn't otherwise take an interest in seeing this film. It's entirely possible that what's in the teaser is actually most of the Dorothy/Wizard of Oz scenes.
the silver slippers are also accurate to the Wizard of Oz book. also, I think the wedding scene might be a dream sequence when Elphaba sings I'm not that girl.
It was pretty much the same situation for me😂. The tv was playing the Super Bowl, and I walked in right when it started playing😂 pretty lucky if you ask me because I love theater❤
i think dorothy is going to be a huge plot point for the second movie because for the marketing they've been leaning towards "there's been so much before dorothy landed in oz" & "You weren’t told the whole story. What happens when you veer off the Yellow Brick Road?"
I think Bowen Yang did reveal that Dr Dillamond would be done as a puppet and gender-bent as a female, ok so now what if Idina is Dr Dillamond and Kristin is Mama Upland... A literal perfect passing the torch, full circle moment within the movie's context and reality I cannot wait to see if this is true
Apart from "WICKED", I have to say, Sam & Ryan, that you are both fantastic people. The way you have handled the changes in your relationship, remained friends, and still make great videos, together and individually, on this channel, is such a positive and wonderful example for all of your loyal viewers. Thank You both so much.
There's a few things that draw from the original Oz books that I want to comment on. First, the slippers were silver in L Frank Baum's book and were only made ruby for the movie because it was in technicolor. Second, the first chapter of the book make a point of Toto being black when everything else in Dorothy's Kansas was gray, so I'm a little upset the dog is blond. Third, I believe in the Wicked book, Boq wasn't the Tin Man but someone else entirety; I think there might've been a Boq in the Oz books, even. So it'll be interesting how much is drawn from the book source and how much from the musical. Oh, footnote: in the original book, the Emerald City wasn't actually green. The Wizard just had everyone who entered the city be forced to wear green goggles so everything looked green.
I think Dr. Dillamond is gonna be a full on cgi goat much like the cowardly lion and it’s just a matter of who will be voicing him. (Please not James Corden)
If I’m not mistaken, Dorothy’s shoes are actually silver in the book. So, they’re also being true to the original source material. Love watching how excited y’all are!
I'm wondering if the wedding scene is actually in either Glinda's or Elphaba's mind (like I'm not that girl, maybe??). I'm not convinced it's not a dream sequence
I know most of the world is trying to forget both movies, Ryan... But we saw the magic land of Oz twice after "the Wiz" "Return to Oz" (1985) and "Oz, the great and powerful" (2013)
I'll be interested to find out who Miss Coddle is because Keala Settle is gonna kill it in that role... I'm now glad we had to wait so long, it was cause we were waiting for Jon M. Chu's cinematic eye... Because Y 'all this is stunning.....
"Fun fact" (kinda): Hamburg, Germany, put on an original production w/ a different world building style, costumes, effects, character & stage designs, musical changes etc. In this show, you fully see Dorothy once by herself after she arrives & together w/ the Tinman, Lion & Scarecrow at least two times. Actually, during "Elphaba's death" scene, they're all there. No curtain, Elphaba threatens the Scarecrow with fire, Dorothy dumps the bucket on her & she fastly "melts away" through a trap door w/ green lights, lots of smoke & a scream right on stage. The others yell happily & leave. Fiyero "plays" his friendly Scarecrow part until the wizard leaves on command by Glinda & then gets to Elphi in her hiding place to leave Oz together. I don't know how they treat the rights in non-Broadway productions, but the story of "The Wizard of Oz" is public domain & as long you dont't include obvious elements of the 1939 movie (like ruby slippers, "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore", songs etc.), using those book characters should be legal & in fair use for whatever you want. Want a Glinda in Game of Thrones? There she is... getting murdered. So I guess to involve those characters w/out references to the Judy Garland film, falls under "fair use of public domain" & is therefore allowed.* (*Just my personal take away. I'm not a lawyer nor a legal advisor.) I watched the show in Hamburg twice & it was very cool to see Dorothy and the gang on stage w/ a few lines, as well as Elphaba melting without a curtain. She also flies on her broom over the audience at the end of Defying Gravity in this particular production. Very sad that Covid took away most of their run time. :(
Also, Dillimond is Idina all day long!! Then, Ari gets dropped off by her PARENTS at Shiz and the camera zooms to to reveal momma is Chenoweth and daddy is Norman Leo Butz! I’m calling it here!!
The shoes are silver because they were always silver in the original L. Frank Baum book!
came here to make this comment and you had already made it hahahah. good job 👏🏻
Exactly! They only made them Ruby in the original movie because it looked better and popped more on film if they sparkled red in Technicolor.
The whole Thank Goodness number actually happens in the Emerald City after Madame Morrible spreads fear about Elphaba, my guess is the flower fields could be one of the opening scenes for the movie, since No One Mourns The Wicked Glinda is in Munchkinland proclaiming Elphaba’s “death” (the leaked footage from set last year confirms this)
YESSS and it still could be a reference to wicked the musical on stage but the main reason
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It also looks like they’re silver with ruby jewels all over them! Marrying the source materials so beautifully
The Defying Gravity riff put all theater kids in a chock hold (including this one)
Yes because the ones who didnt get it, clearly DIDNT GET IT cuz my god 🙌🏾
LITERALLY my mom was like “ew?” And I was like “TAKE THAT BACK”
@@graciehadlichRIGHTTT like I saw Wicked WITH MY MOM and her face was like “😬” hearing Cynthia’s riff😭💀
@@Jetrowdy I LITERALLY don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s IMPRESSIVE
@@graciehadlichIt’s impressive vocally but sure about artistically.
I feel like Idina Menzel as Dr. Dillamond would actually make a beautiful “passing of the torch” moment between the first and newest Elphaba! There’s something so poetic about Cynthia’s Elphie starting her journey as an activist through the person who originally gave Elphaba her voice 🥹💚🖤 Would also explain why we know nothing about the casting!
You ate that😍
Abso-frickin-lutely! I know it's unlikely that they did that, but if they did I'm literally going to break out into tears in the theater. What a beautiful moment that would be
that would be pretty cool though i suspect we haven't seen gr. dillamond is because he's going to be cg effects and look like a real goat
My biggest fear is that it’ll end up being James Corden. Please god no.
It’s been said that it’s a CGI goat but a woman is playing him(her?)
So no James Corden.
The fact that they’re still not spilling the casting for this makes me suspicious it really is someone special.
“Why have they not shown Dr. Dillamond and why is it James Corden” 😂 the second you said that I was like “wait a damn minute… THEY BETTER NOT” 😭
I’m so excited to see fyero as the scarecrow and explain why he joined Dorothy.
😬The book is so different. Game of Thrones different. Suffice to say that they don't have a problem with Fiyero being the scarecrow in the book. The musical made a couple of clever changes and callbacks to make a great self-contained piece of musical theater. It will be interesting to see how different this goes.
I also love how the Dorothy track in the musical is off-stage and I know they put the more explicit movie-OZ imagery in the trailer because most of the people seeing it are in Wicked kindergarten and aren't possibly schooled in deconstructionist literature and that's for them. Its _hilarious_ that the entire drama of The Wizard of Oz is not even the main thing concerning the Wicked characters. You never really see her in the book either - Dorothy is a pawn and the Wizard's _secret weapon_ and the Twister is _mentioned_ (like how you hear on the news about a tornado that happened in another state) but Elphaba's perspective is her sister died. I think Elphaba grouses to herself in the middle of other things about how frustrated she is trying to reason every day with this farm girl to take off her shoes when all she does is weep...which they turned into comedy in the show. I'm sure they _could have_ paid for the rights for the original film iconography, but it's funnier and more in the spirit of Wicked if they don't bother. I'm 99% sure this movie isn't going to invent scenes with Dorothy... _this ain't her show._
Hopefully that is one thing from the books that gets added in so Fiyero isn't turned into the scarecrow, and that Boq isn't turned into the Tinman, that was such a dumb change in the musical
@@Legacysong2012 In the books elphaba actually assumed the scarecrow was fiyero. I don't think it was a "dumb change" for the musical, I actually think it was clever and added more to the story.
this doctor dillamond mistery is either going to be absolutely amazing or absolutely tragic, there's no in-between. I'm frightened.
idk if it was intentional but the glasses looking like the infinity symbol is a nice nod to “unlimited”
Maybe the wedding scene is glindas dream sequence
“I’m Not That Girl” reprise turns into daydream
They didn’t get married in the book. So I hope it’s only a dream sequence.
OR maybe because in the show Elphaba has visions of the future, this could be maybe a vision for Glinda and what’s gonna happen? Just a theory
WHAT IF HE LEAVES HER AT THE ALTAR FOR ELPHABA
13:58 This particular bit isn’t a workaround, because most of Dorothy’s appearance is in the public domain, since she was described in the original 1900 novel described her as having silver shoes, a gingham dress, and a little black dog, around age 10 or 11. The silver shoes in the musical take after the Wicked novel, which take after “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” novel.
They also can allow for the lion because he’s an actual lion-rather than the copyrighted “man in a lion costume walking upright” thing they had going on in 1939-in the novels.
Many other coloring choices (in both the stage and film) reflect ethnic characteristics of Ozians in the 1900 novel: Glinda and her servants are wearing purple (along with her trademark pink) because she’s from Gilikin Country, where the traditional color is purple. The little children in the tulip field are wearing red because they’re Quadlings, and Avaric wears yellow on stage because he’s a Winkie. Shiz’s uniforms are blue because it’s a Munchkinland college.
Avaric isn't a Winkie, unless you are referring to the fact that "Fiyero" in the musical is just Avaric in the books? Avaric is Gilikin like Ginda, Fiyero is the Arjiki prince from the Vinkus, called Winkie Country
Maybe the Glinda wedding is a dream sequence of „I’m not that girl“ where Elphaba imagines them getting married but it doesn’t actually happen🤷
This is the most likely explanation
Wait!! That would explain so much, and be SOOO perfect!! 😮😮😮
My mum’s theory (which blew my mind): Kristin is going to play Galinda’s Nanny and Idina is going to play Dr Dillamond…
They are just doing Wizomania cameos
It looks like Miss Coddle is being played by Keala Settle, according to IMDB, so new theory needed for Kristin’s role. Idina as Dr Dillamond would be perfection.
@@MichelleSinTO Miss Coddle is a new character that will be one of the headmasters of Shiz like she is not Glinda's nanny. I can confirm Idina & Kristin will just have a cameo during Wizomania
I think Kristin is playing Galinda’s mom,
Yes I think it's her parents that are on the boat with her and Kristin will play her mom
1:42 actually 🤓☝️ the last time we saw Oz on the big screen was in Oz: The Great and Powerful (2013)
And i wish we didnt… jk lol
And before that was Return to Oz in 1985
Thanks, I was looking for this comment!
Okay so I’m not the only person
Omg I was a poppy in this play when I was like 8
ps: dorothy’s slippers are silver originally in the oz books by frank baum, not only in the musical :)
Thank you, I was looking for someone to have commented this already lol
I came to make the same comment, and glad that others already brought it up. 😊
Yes and like the musical they only got rights to the books but the MGM film
Right, the slippers were made ruby to show off the advancement that was Technicolor. Plus most of the books of Oz entered the public domain this year, maybe that’s why they can show Dorothy as depicted in the books- the movie itself will enter the public domain in 2034.
The shoes are silver in the original Wizard Of Oz book as well. The only reason for being ruby in the 1939 movie is because they popped in the Technicolor process.
Yes exactly! Thank you!
It's definitely Idina Menzel voicing a female Dr. Dillamond. They had a woman green screen puppeteer on set who did and read the scenes with Cynthia, and they're having an "unannounced" cast member voice the role -- wonder who it could possibly be? Also, Idina posted a Goat emoji on some social media website a few months ago, suggesting it.! I think the cameos of the OG's in the film will be Kristin as Ariana's Mom being dropped off at Shiz and Idina as a female Dr. Dillamond who's also a guide to Elphie so it nods to the OG production and such. xxx
I always thought Idina would play Melena, Elphaba's mother in the scene where she has the affair and gives birth to Elphaba.
But I think you might be onto something
My theory is that if the Dorothy footage is in part 1, the movie is going to start with the end of the Wizard of Oz just to familiarize the audience and then the shot of Glinda getting in her bubble machine is her leaving Oz and flying to Muchkinland for No One Mourns the Wicked.
I can see that! Basically give us more of a - this the story you all know, but here’s what really happened…
@@ferosha99 exactly! I wouldn’t be surprised if the opening shot of the movie is that hat scene we see with all the steam around it. Then cut to Oz with Dorothy stepping in the room. I’m so excited to see what they do!
Dr. Dillamond will not be James Corden. But I'm 90% sure it's gonna be Lin Manuel Miranda. Especially considering him and Jon Chu have worked together on In The Heights
Omg good point
honestly i’m not mad about that if it’s actually him
I would love that but they confirmed it would be a woman! So probably Idina! 👀
Also, Idina hinted on threads that she might be Dr. Dillamond.
OP: Are you an Elphaba 💚 or a Glinda 💖?
Idina: 🤔
Idina: Can I be a 🐐
I swear to god if I go and sit down in a movie theater to watch wicked and see James Cordens name or face I will actually cry....partly from laughter partly from sadness
I'm so glad you're afraid for the lack of Dr. Dillamond for all the right reasons!!!
YALL MOM AND DAD POSTED🫶🫶🫶🫶👑👑🥳🥳🥳
1:42 you forgot the 2013 movie Oz The Great And Powerful, although I’m not deep into Oz lore so maybe that’s a different thing (I’m not saying it’s a GOOD movie, just one that takes place in Oz)
Oh saw that movie when came out, not that good of a movie, but it was a movie about how the Wizard got to Oz.
I also saw that movie but if you asked me what happened in it I wouldn't be able to tell you. I also can't remember who's in it lol
I knew tht was a thing
I was thinking that, too 😅
That movie is best forgotten 😆
22:51 maybe its Norbert Leo Butz?! that would be cool. that would be a good surprise
He’d be so so good, like I’d love that, but he’s been working on other stuff fairly consistently, and hasn’t really made mention of anything he had to nip away/take a break for
My thoughts:
Wicked is such a brilliant musical (and book) that it has worked in the moments of when Dorothy and the gang are supposed to be here and there so well done on stage, that I think in the movie they are able to expand upon them. We forget when we watch a musical, we think the scenes that are happening are instant, but really there can be moments, days, months to years passing in between scenes, like between act 1 and 2 is atleast 5-10 years? if not more. The moment after As Long As You're Mine is when we see the yellow brick road and it insinuates the fact Dorothy just landed and she was led off to the Emerald city, that scene in the original movie is atleast 15 mins long, and then after the March of the Witch Hunters, we see Dorothy is kidnapped, thats so much time in between when we see the Tin Man and the Lion protesting to them being backups for Dorothy, like atleast a couple days! Needless to say, I think there are moments like that that are gonna be expanded and we'll be able to a tally comprehend the timeline of Glinda and Elphaba having their thing while Dorothy and the gang meet and all.
Another point, I actually don't mind that the battle cry is in the trailer, a lot of people were upset cause its one of the most iconic, if not the most iconic riff in musical theatre. But, I will say arguably, No Good Deed is a harder song to sing and act than Defying Gravity. DG has its moments by NDG is just sung through without stops or dialogue, and Elphaba is so hurt and angry from everything that has f*cked her over that it is, again arguably, THE climax of the musical, where we see Elphaba really be "Wicked". Yes Defying Gravity has its plot point to convey too but, No Good Deed has a whole bunch of things to accomplish in the 3 minutes it is.
all of this to say im really excited for the movie and I will go see it alone if I have to 😅😅
Ryan’s rant about James Corden was the most passionate thing I have ever seen.
Idina as Dr. D
Kristin Chen as Dorothy lol 😂
who is playing fiyero and why isn’t it ryan
real
Hearing Ryan’s take from being in Wicked and Sam’s thoughts as being a lifelong fan are really interesting. I never knew Wicked would need rights to show more of those characters. You guys always have such great conversations, and I love watching your videos!! Much love 💖💚
All I'm gonna say is "That ball that's being staged, announcing Glinda is engaged"
TOOOO FIYEROOOOO
FIYEROOOOOOOOO
I think if James Corden was going to play Dr. Dillamond, they wouldn't be waiting so suspiciously long to announce his casting. But if they gender-bent him and cast Idina or Kristin, that would be more worth this silence because it's a more shocking reveal. I'm staying optimistic that the long wait means it's someone really good.
Has anyone thought maybe the "riff" at the end of the trailer is just a "maybe" riff? Think for a minute...do you really think they only had her record just ONE riff?? I'm sure she did multiple and different ways! It's possible that this was the TEST to see how people responded to it only to put in another record of her riff at the end of defying gravity? Thoughts?
This movie looks FREAKING AWSOME. 🥳🤩🥳
Also, I’m auditioning for JD in Heathers. Any tips, Ryan?
Yay! Good luck! I’m no bway performer, I can’t sing, dance or act, but my tip would be to do well😂
@ellie6475 Thats a great tip
@@Haley_777.14 thanks lmao
In the Wizard of Oz book the shoes are silver
I was soooo excited when the trailer dropped. my theatre groupchat went wild for the first time in like a month lol
If Corden is Dillimond, I'm walking outta the theatre 😒. Btw, am I the only that thinks Idina is gonna make a cameo as Melina (Elphaba's Mother)!?🤔
Hot Take: “Thank Goodness” is boring and too long in my opinion
14:04 it could be referring to the original silver slippers that Dorthy wears in the book series as well. As Ryan pointed out there is some copy write issues regarding the 1939 film starring Judy Garland as the Ruby slippers are not in the public domain (this color change was actually a design choice because color was fairly new to film and Technicolor/MGM Studios wanted a color that would pop) so in order to get around it in productions like The Wiz and Wicked they reverted back to Silver
Them: That will be like 6-7 hours…
Me: EXCUSE ME WHAT?!
Dude…. What.
why isnt anyone talking about the lack of ryan in the movie..
I’m surprised there is no casting announcement or clips in the teaser of dr dilamond
Concerning Dr. Dillamond, Bowen Yang confirmed that the character is in the films. However, he stated that it was a female puppeteer standing in as a voice had not been cast yet. So Idina or Kristin being a cameo voice is very plausible.
love yalls 😂 also we love your singing in the intro Ryan !!!!
ShenShen was on the right side of the screen behind Galinda when they were commenting on the character, not the left. IMDB credits Bronwyn James for ShenShen; Bowen Yang is credited as Pfannee.
Ok first thing… this first look made me defy gravity and second thing… thank you Ryan for your passion at the end 😂💖💚🫧
I wonder if the clip of Dorothy and the Gang is part of the opening to the musical since the musical starts when the Wicked Witch has been killed. Kind of like a set up for those who don’t know the story as well?
Well in the book Figero died
The Millenial urge to compare everything to Harry Potter, lol
Edit: I'm as guilty as y'all are
Yallllllll I have an announcement…..
I
GOT
DORTHY
IN MY SCHOOLS MUSICAL OF THE WIZARD OF OZ!!!!
Sorry for all the scrolling lol
Ooh! I don't know when y'all changed your profile pic, but I like the rebrand.
Comments as I watch this vid:
- I ALSO loved those glasses.
- I'm a little worried with how dark the ballroom looks on screen.
- Maybe the "wedding" is in Galinda's mind.
- I wonder if part one will end with Dorothy arriving or if we're getting clips from BOTH movies.
- Paying homage to the musical and thus the Wizard of Oz book.
- Great point Ryan. It's like what they did with DUNE a bit. We got a world-building trailer not a movie trailer.
- Also, using Dorothy grabs the attention of people who have NO IDEA what Wicked is, especially during a football game.
- "...who can sing AND act." I understand what you mean, Sam. I understand.
- *sprays Ryan with a water bottle* No, Ryan! Bad, Ryan! Don't say things like that. I REALLY hope some of the other commentors are right and it's a legacy actor as Dr. Dillamond. (Crosses fingers for Katie Rose Clark as Dillamond 😆)
- We should keep that in mind. This is a world-building trailer for the hoi polloi and not the musical and theater nerds. It mainly showcased 1) the world, 2) the two leads, 3) two A-list actors as iconic roles, and 4) elements people would quickly recognize in less than a minute. Marketing was smart with the expensively short time they had.
I think the wedding is on Elphaba's mind! She's imagining what will happen in I'm Not That Girl...
I also think that Idina will be Dr Dillamond as she hinted it on social medias!
What if it's a ploy and Ryan is just actually Doctor Dillamond
I just recently finished reading the "Wicked" book and *spoilers* Fiyero and Glinda do not get married in the book either. They don't even date in the book. In the book he is already to when he comes to Shiz to a woman named Sarima. He got married when he was 7 because that's Winkie royalty culture. He does however have a fling with Elphaba and those who have read the book know how that turned out.... Don't want to spoil sorry.
Y'all should come see Heathers in Rochester, Minnesota! April 19th-May 5th at the Rochester Repertory Theatre😉
ANDY FICKMAN CAME TO OUR OPENING NIGHT!!!!!
TRASH NEVER WATCHING IT NOT ONLY DID THEY INJURE RYAN ON THE BROADWAY SET BUT THEY ALSO DIDNT EVEN CAST HIM IN THE MOVIE BOOOOOO🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅
Not Ryan singing in the intro
Love your pfp
James Corden as Dr Dillamond please!! SAID NO ONE EVER! I agree with Ryan, if James is cast and we see it, I think it will bring down the whole movie. There are other talents out there… BUT, here’s a thing… will Dr Dillamond be a CGI Goat or an actor in goat prosthetics like the show? Because we see a CGI Lion, and CGi Monkey, so will he be CGI too? No one’s talking about this…!,
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The shoes are silver in the wizard of oz books. They were red for the movie to show off the technicolor on the screen.
If it’s James Cordon, we riot. Elphaba wouldn’t stand for this so we shouldn’t either.
23:15 better not be james corden 😭
I love how people just forget about/don’t acknowledge oz the great and powerful movie
Dorothy's slippers in the book were silver, so they didnt have skirt around the color of her slippers. in the MGM Wizard of Oz they were Ruby because color was still a fairly new thing in cinema so they wanted to capitalize on this.
Didn’t Bowen Yang confirm that Dr Dillamond would be played by a female? Awesome review btw❤
I was waiting for your alls reaction to this out of everyone!!! I’m beyond excited for this film!!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering where Dr. Dillamond is. He quite literally is the catalyst for soooooooo many plot points within the book/musical.
I think the two main reasons he’s not shown in the teaser are it’s a spoiler for a cameo (very likely Idina) and also CGI will take longer to create and perfect, so putting out a teaser now they probably won’t have finalised the CGI yet
@@la.uraloxYes! And knowing how much backlash films get from bad CGI characters they probably want to make sure it looks perfect before they reveal anything
@@ferosha99 exactly! They can show the cgi locations as they’ve been able to work on them before/during filming, but they have to use an actor to create the movements and a separate one for voice acting to then cgi the character so I’m assuming they’re still working on that
Sam--never fear, be proud of your 20 viewings--i'm at least twice your age, and I'm quite certain I've watched it at least 40 times in the last couple of days! 😂
Ryan--nice catch with the usage restrictions on the depiction of Oz from the 1939 film, if I'm not mistaken, Disney ran into the same problem with the original version of the Big Movie Ride at the Studios. For quite some time, there was a huge gap with literally nothing shown when they couldn't get the licensing for the tornado itself. I definitely want to look into that more! Having said that, i'm not sure that this is the reason that the slippers are silver, rather, I believe that they're silver, not Ruby red in the original book. Anybody!
Idk i feel slighty bad saying this i dont like talking about people idk. But although i think ryan gives great comments and knows alot about the business and he can be very cool to listen to. When he doesnt say arrogant things. He comes off a bit like he thinks hes a huge talet and catch and he doesnt understand how hes not an A list star yet. Even if his comment about how it shouldve been him in the movie was a joke you could tell he meant it and really felt that way. He comes off as a bit bitter and arrogant idk maybe its just me. I feel like if he was just himself without the "and i did this on Broadway for 200 shows and i played the role on the anniversary and should be in the movie too cause i was the best one at it, and there was merch you could buy with me in it because im so impressive" feel to him and i would actually find what he says more interesting
I don't think the general public understands how excited I (and most theater kids of the world) am for these movies. I think I might die if I don't see this as soon as it comes out 😆😆😆
I think the wedding scene is happening in Elphaba's mind during "I'm Not That Girl."
love this theory!
I realy got a feeling Dr Dillamont is going to be a woman. I think it could be interesting with the dynamics with Madam Morrible. I also hope those relationsschips is going to be more like the book!
when i saw the trailer during the super bowl i jumped 10 feet off my couch and i looked insane my family was so confused because they hate theatre!!! 😛😛
no comments on Ari as Glinda.. Btw, movie seems just magical. Can't wait till official trailer.
Hear me out… Idina Menzel as Elphaba’s mum!!!!!!! Then Norbert Leo Butz or Joel Grey as Dr Dillamond!!!
The thing is, Elphaba's mom presumably died at quite a young age, after giving birth to Nessa, and the part that's shown in the musical iswhhen she got pregnant and gave birth to Elphaba, so I assume whenever she's shown she would be in her 30s and 20s. Idina is in her 50s, so that would be a little odd...
I SWEAR TO GOD IF DR DILLAMOND IS PLAYED BY JAMES CORDEN I AM GOING TO THROW MYSELF OFF THE STAGE
“The last time we saw Oz was The Wiz in 1978”
The Great and Powerful Oz (2013): am I a joke to you?
Honestly yes, it is a joke to pretty much everyone
Also Ryan needs to sing revolting children if it is James Corden
2:20 didn’t they do this look in 2013 with oz the great and powerful?
Cynthia’s voice is powerful af 😮❤
Please stop manifesting James Corden lmao STOOOOPPPP!
I love the fact that we’re actually able to see the sorceress seminar that’s mentioned in the musical, but not really Shown..I love that extra layer that they added. I cannot wait man!!!
I guess you haven’t seen Return to Oz or Oz the Great and Powerful lol
I suspect Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz teasers are intended to draw in people who aren't familiar with the musical or the Wicked book. It's very possible that Dorothy won't be a big part of the movie, but she's a draw for moviegoers who wouldn't otherwise take an interest in seeing this film. It's entirely possible that what's in the teaser is actually most of the Dorothy/Wizard of Oz scenes.
the silver slippers are also accurate to the Wizard of Oz book. also, I think the wedding scene might be a dream sequence when Elphaba sings I'm not that girl.
It was pretty much the same situation for me😂. The tv was playing the Super Bowl, and I walked in right when it started playing😂 pretty lucky if you ask me because I love theater❤
i think dorothy is going to be a huge plot point for the second movie because for the marketing they've been leaning towards "there's been so much before dorothy landed in oz" & "You weren’t told the whole story. What happens when you veer off the Yellow Brick Road?"
I think Bowen Yang did reveal that Dr Dillamond would be done as a puppet and gender-bent as a female, ok so now what if Idina is Dr Dillamond and Kristin is Mama Upland... A literal perfect passing the torch, full circle moment within the movie's context and reality I cannot wait to see if this is true
IM SORRY BUT I CANNOT WATCH ETHAN SLATER PLAYING BOQ WITHOUT THINKING OF “nO iM nOt a SimPLe sPoNgEE”
Apart from "WICKED", I have to say, Sam & Ryan, that you are both fantastic people. The way you have handled the changes in your relationship, remained friends, and still make great videos, together and individually, on this channel, is such a positive and wonderful example for all of your loyal viewers. Thank You both so much.
There's a few things that draw from the original Oz books that I want to comment on. First, the slippers were silver in L Frank Baum's book and were only made ruby for the movie because it was in technicolor. Second, the first chapter of the book make a point of Toto being black when everything else in Dorothy's Kansas was gray, so I'm a little upset the dog is blond. Third, I believe in the Wicked book, Boq wasn't the Tin Man but someone else entirety; I think there might've been a Boq in the Oz books, even. So it'll be interesting how much is drawn from the book source and how much from the musical.
Oh, footnote: in the original book, the Emerald City wasn't actually green. The Wizard just had everyone who entered the city be forced to wear green goggles so everything looked green.
So y'all have never seen Return To Oz? Got it. 👽
IM SO EXITED FOR THE MOVIE!
I think Dr. Dillamond is gonna be a full on cgi goat much like the cowardly lion and it’s just a matter of who will be voicing him. (Please not James Corden)
If I’m not mistaken, Dorothy’s shoes are actually silver in the book. So, they’re also being true to the original source material. Love watching how excited y’all are!
PLOT TWIST!!!! SAM IS DOROTHY😂
All I want to know is how long did it take Ryan to style and blow dry that hair do into existence.
OMG MOM AND DAD POSTED AHHHHH
I'm wondering if the wedding scene is actually in either Glinda's or Elphaba's mind (like I'm not that girl, maybe??). I'm not convinced it's not a dream sequence
I LOVE YOU BOTH SM❤❤
I know most of the world is trying to forget both movies, Ryan...
But we saw the magic land of Oz twice after "the Wiz"
"Return to Oz" (1985) and "Oz, the great and powerful" (2013)
I'll be interested to find out who Miss Coddle is because Keala Settle is gonna kill it in that role... I'm now glad we had to wait so long, it was cause we were waiting for Jon M. Chu's cinematic eye... Because Y 'all this is stunning.....
HAIR IS HAIRING!
Thank you both for blessing us with your knowledge and opinions on this movie!! This project is really going to be life changing!
"Fun fact" (kinda): Hamburg, Germany, put on an original production w/ a different world building style, costumes, effects, character & stage designs, musical changes etc. In this show, you fully see Dorothy once by herself after she arrives & together w/ the Tinman, Lion & Scarecrow at least two times. Actually, during "Elphaba's death" scene, they're all there. No curtain, Elphaba threatens the Scarecrow with fire, Dorothy dumps the bucket on her & she fastly "melts away" through a trap door w/ green lights, lots of smoke & a scream right on stage. The others yell happily & leave. Fiyero "plays" his friendly Scarecrow part until the wizard leaves on command by Glinda & then gets to Elphi in her hiding place to leave Oz together. I don't know how they treat the rights in non-Broadway productions, but the story of "The Wizard of Oz" is public domain & as long you dont't include obvious elements of the 1939 movie (like ruby slippers, "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore", songs etc.), using those book characters should be legal & in fair use for whatever you want. Want a Glinda in Game of Thrones? There she is... getting murdered. So I guess to involve those characters w/out references to the Judy Garland film, falls under "fair use of public domain" & is therefore allowed.* (*Just my personal take away. I'm not a lawyer nor a legal advisor.)
I watched the show in Hamburg twice & it was very cool to see Dorothy and the gang on stage w/ a few lines, as well as Elphaba melting without a curtain. She also flies on her broom over the audience at the end of Defying Gravity in this particular production. Very sad that Covid took away most of their run time. :(
Also, Dillimond is Idina all day long!! Then, Ari gets dropped off by her PARENTS at Shiz and the camera zooms to to reveal momma is Chenoweth and daddy is Norman Leo Butz! I’m calling it here!!