Great review. My MT12 is on the way. I've been a fpv drone hobbyist for almost 10 years. I was hoping one day we'd have a surface radio that can use ERLS. I have a Radiomaster TX16S running EdgeTX and ELRS for my drones and can't wait to finally have it on my ground RC's. Learning EdgeTX and updating the firmware on ELRS can be a little intimidating to new users but there are many great tutorials on RUclips that will guide you through it. Another great thing about both ETX and ELRS is that they are both open source software created by many very smart hobbyists who are always hard at work updating and making them better. Global functions are special functions that apply to all models on the radio. On my TX16S I have two unused dials. I use one for screen brightness and the other for volume that I set through global functions.
Yeah I knew that from years ago I just had forgotten. It's been a while since I've been into quads so some of the open TX stuff is slipped away. Fortunately I don't think people were really need to get into updating firmware and stuff like that unless they want to. Hope fully radio Master will keep their ELRS firmware versions on the transmitter and the receivers the same so they stay in a compatible state. I can see how that sort of thing would get very frustrating for people if they had to do a bunch of firmware updating all the time.
Im dying to get one so i can set up that 3 way switch for different braking curves depends on what im driving on. Its greatest strength is also its biggest weakness. It can do literally anything, but you have to learn how to program it to do literally everything.
@@hughjanus5518 I completely agree with this. If you are technically inclined and like to learn it won't be a problem but if you just want a transmitter that does transmitter stuff and aren't interested in learning a new operating system it could be a little daunting.
Yeah I definitely went through the learning curve back when it was open TX and I was doing FPV. Once you get the basics down it's really not bad There's just a lot of stuff in there that doesn't really feel intuitive. But yeah range latency and ability to customize is unmatchable.
@@DoRC I agree, when I first started in Opentx it was a lot. When version edgetx 2.10 comes out (any day now) you can set it up on the computer which is much more intuitive.
This is the future of radios and will beat out all radios out there. They’re definitely needs to be a $80 version. ELRS is the best there is because it’s open source software. I have been using it for a long time with my quad copters.I was waiting for this to drop on ground-based vehicles. Again, this is the future and nothing but good things will keep happening with open software.
I agree on all accounts. I think that edgetx with ELRS is the way to go And I also agree that they need to come out with a cheaper version. 99% of people don't need all the bells and whistles. Make it much smaller lighter with half the switches still keep the hall sensors and make it 80 bucks and they'd sell a million of them.
@@bensonroubinet4319 absolutely. It's a good deal for what you get. With that being said I do agree that a cheaper version would be good. Not because this is a bad value but because there is a lot of things on this transmitter that the vast majority of people won't need. RGB LEDs, the larger screen, most of the buttons and dials and switches etc could be eliminated. Add in a single battery option with a smaller lithium battery and you could end up with an extremely capable transmitter that weighs significantly less, is smaller and could be made less expensively.
With range like that this could be the hot ticket for my speed run cars. The price point is quite impressive especially when you consider what guys are spending on Futaba radios with boosters. 🤔 I could go for less buttons on the radio but 🤷🏼 the range really has me interested. Like I said perfect for speed cars.
Agreed. The range on this is as far as you could possibly want it to be especially if you get one of the external antenna receivers. There are drone guys that have been able to fly 30 kilometers away using the same setup. Latencies also really really good because it's designed for drones. I'd love to see a version with fewer bells and whistles smaller lighter and 80 bucks. I bet that would sell a lot!
My Futaba 4PM ranges out around 1100 feet on my Limitless, which is about what it takes to make a run and get it turned around. And that is with dual antennas. Might be a better option as I am right on the edge with it.
Yeah I don't think you'd have an issue with that here. Especially if you use one of the receivers that has an external antenna and mount it properly you should be able to go miles with it. What you saw in my video was basically worst case scenario with terrain in the way, a whole bunch of interference from those power lines and the worst possible receiver. There are people that have flown with ELRS 30 km or more.
I fly miles away in the city with ELRS, T16s & Edgetx. ELRS gives me the best range I have ever had. Better range with ELRS 2.4 than my long range 900mhz system.
Considering the size and weight of other high end radios, nothing out of the ordinary. And at $130, a smokin' deal! Tons of adjustability and options (no, I don't consider this a negative) and the sky is the limit with this radio - the protocol with the MT-12 opens up a whole new area in surface radios. Definitely, not for everyone but you're getting a game changing radio for $130, amazing!
Yeah I absolutely agree that when compared to other high-end radios it's really not that bigger heavy but I think most people in the hobby will be comparing it to what they currently have or other cheaper radios and when compared to those it's pretty big. I think radio link would do very good to create a version without as many bells and whistles make it smaller lighter and cheaper. 90% of the people who buy this radio won't use 90% of the functionality and I bet a lot more people would buy it if it was smaller lighter and only cost $80
@@DoRC For sure but you release the flag ship model first and use it to create a buzz. Then release a simpler version. I do agree that most people never utilize the full potential of a high end radio, even one with much fewer options then the MT-12.
@jerryvolpini7987 oh absolutely. Releasing the fanciest one first is a good idea to get people's attention. Hopefully they have a simpler one in the works though.
These are great I have the 4in1 multi protocol version and it will bind to lots of currently available receivers including flysky and dumbo rc. I have about 10 models bound to it already and it’s nice having one does all and no requirement to take multiple transmitters with me. Great bit of kit
For sure. Personally I think the ELRS version is the real star but I'm sure most people would disagree with that. I guess I'm just so used to swapping out receivers and everything I get that the 4-in-one doesn't really appeal to me that much.
@@DoRCFlysky has the smallest receiver I've seen (Fs2a), super cool the 4in1 will bind to that one in particular. I agree elrs is awesome though. Imagine if it had both built into one without the need for a module! I hope the next version is like that and a little more sleek, less bulky.
@@DoRC not that I know. eles is pretty new and designed mostly for drones and other flying things with a flight controller. the pwm receivers are a new addition. I hope this new surface radio starts a trend and more manufacturers make things like elrs receivers with gyro or GPS
Coming from the FPV scene. This is a huge step for the surface radios. Surface radios have been so far behind aircraft systems. They are far cheaper and offer way more features
Yeah same here. I did FPV for years before I got really heavy back into surface and this definitely is the future. I'd really like to see radio Master make a smaller cheaper lighter and simpler version since the vast vast majority of people in the hobby really don't need 75% of what's on this transmitter.
Im going to be getting one of these for FPV driving. This + the new Walksnail Avatar HD FPV Goggles L and the CADDXFPV GM3 setup will mean i get to make full use of that range.
Yeah the Express LRS set up is definitely a good option for FPV. I was running up against some transmitter range problems during the making of this video with a fly sky transmitter
I really like the sound of all the amazing options on some of these high tech radios but honesly most RTR radios or my DX5 are more than enough for me...but great video showing all the ins and outs of this radio!!!!👍👍
Yeah it's an awesome thing and truly the future. The HTX system is infinitely customizable and ELRS is the ultimate protocol but I really want to see radio Master come out with something that's smaller lighter cheaper and has fewer bells and whistles. Make it 80 bucks and I bet they'd sell a ton of them.
This by far is the most extensive review on a radio I have ever seen. But radios like this have always intimidated me because I’m just a basher I think I would be lost with all the options.
Fortunately most of the basic stuff is fairly easy to access and you can just ignore most of the advanced options. That being said there are definitely simpler radios out there that will do whatever most people need them to
For just bashing around, maybe more functions than needs, but even just for the multi-model TX this is great, of course that can be done with almost any radio, but with this you'll have the settings stored!
@SiuroRC Yeah this thing might have more features than is actually good for some people just because of how complicated it can be but you definitely won't ever be wanting for more features :-)
I'm already looking at the Radiolink 7 channel, so this is only a few dollars more, I am going to wait to see the staying power though, the last time i jumped on a trend was when Nomadio tried breaking into RC, but the Afgan war (the second one) happened and them as military contractors had to drop out of commercial market. really had potential though
I wouldn't be too worried about this falling into obscurity. Radio Master has been making radios for the FPV crowd for quite some time now and they're well established and well known.
I'm so glad to finally see a proper Open/EdgeTX surface radio, I have a Taranis that I love but it's not that practical for cars or boats so this will be great. You mentioned formal coating, I think it's slightly annoying that they haven't done it to the receivers already, it feels a bit old to have to do it to modern receivers but at least doing it myself means I know it's done so there's that :) How do you think the insides will do in wet conditions? I'm thinking of formal coating everything in the radio like I did with my Gt3c but I'm worried how it will affect things like the hall sensors.
Not sure. I would probably just consider it to not be water resistant and yeah you'll definitely need to be careful with conformal coating around anything that moves.
I have 6 Radiomaster radios for FPV quads and fixed wings. The point of this radio is Express LRS plus the ability to add an external module. Express LRS is the future for all RC surface and air applications. EdgeTX will allow you to add customize the radio and vehicle functionality any way you want and it’s open source. The devs are awesome. No one company locks you into a brand with this OS. I can run any vehicle (pretty much) with one radio. Good review 👍
@@DoRC It's definitely not for people who want to just take the product out of the box, charge, and play around. For serious hobbyists it is SO much cheaper in the long run. I just found your channel, great job!
@MrBlueSky2112 absolutely. It's an awesome transmitter! I think the four in one module will be appealing to a lot of people but like you said the real gem is the express LRS option.
Buy the 4IN1 or ELRS and get the nano module and have both. This takes time to learn, especially for a beginner like me, but I saw this, looked at nothing else and bought one, what else can offer what this does for this sort of money. And it feels great for something at this price point. It may not be the easiest transmitter to use at first, but I reckon it's worth the effort.
You definitely could do that but just keep in mind you're taking what's already a very large transmitter and making it even larger especially with the external antenna that the module will have. Not saying it's a bad idea but it is something to keep in mind.
I'm highly interested in the 4 in 1. To combine all my RTR recivers would be great. Also, I love all the switches since I'm kinda a lights junkie 😅 I could add the ELRS later if I ever need it.
Yeah I can see why the 4-in-one would be very appealing for a lot of people. It's not as appealing for me just because I'm so used to swapping receivers out basically immediately so I can use my camera Mount transmitter but I know most people aren't doing that.
@DoRC I'm working on it. The 4&1 has mini-z stuff, which is a limited number of transmitter’s that work with em, so that's a big one. My goal is to mount an action cam on my rigs and record my adventures around the city. If money wasn't a problem I'd build a custom rig around having cameras.
@@Macgyver46 i'm probably going with the 4in1 for the same reason. Not trying to buy an elrs module for every single car i have or new little rtr ones i may buy. Man I just wish they could have both protocols in 1!!!
@takeiteasy6346 technically you can. It comes with an adapter for an external radio module and you can put the other protocol module in that day. It's going to make it a bit bigger and more clunky but it is doable
One more question. If the ESLR module is gone from the 4 in 1 I'm guessing the range is also drastically reduced & probably more like the factory radio gear ? Thanks again
That I can't speak to. The magic of the ELRS system is what gives it its incredible range but that doesn't mean the four in one system won't have better range than stock systems. Honestly it probably just depends on how good the stock system was to begin with.
@@DoRC sure, I'm going with the ESLR and I'll buy whatever receives I need. I have 2 main speed cars. Thats less than half the price of a Futaba without a booster & the latency is way better on the mt12. How expensive can a receiver be 🤷🏼😂
Really cool radio, especially the small micro receiver. I knew the range was going be insane. Saw Roadside RC do his range test and it was 1.5 miles from his house before it lost signal 👀
I think that's what most people want. If they come out with a version that has maybe six channels, a few trims and all the same awesome software ability at a price like $80 I think they'd really be able to sell a lot of them. Not that they won't sell a bunch of these but it's going to be a lot of people buying a bunch of stuff they're never going to use :-)
@@D20MCK That's correct. It would still run the same software I just think they could take down the mechanical complexity and size a bit which would make it more appealing. The basics of the setup really aren't that bad. It's kind of as complicated as you want it to be and they've done a decent job of putting the settings that less advanced people would want pretty easily at hand.
@@DoRC I've been using Open TX for a while now on drones so I'm familiar with the system, but for anyone who isn't they should include a couple of basic models already configured so it's a bit more plug and play. They need steering dual rates on a dial or trim, throttle and steering on the correct channels. None of the drone guys complain because they're used to working for it with totally scratch built drones. I'm loving my MT12
@@D20MCK Yeah I think that having the channels reversed is a really big bummer because just like I did I'm sure plenty of people are going to be driving their cars into themselves and then scratching their head to figure out what they did wrong. But yeah I do agree that for a lot of people simply having a remote that just does the job and nothing more might be more appropriate.
At this point it doesn't appear as though they have any gyro receivers for this but I expect that to change. This product line hasn't been out very long so it's not fully developed yet I don't think.
I almost bought one but i have no idea which one to buy 😂. I need to do more research. I primarily do crawling with a little bashing so not sure which version i would need. Couldnt find much info on their site about which version is best for what.
The only difference between the two versions is the radio module they have inside. The ELRS radio module will only work with their ELRS receivers or any ELRs receiver for that matter and is great for range and ultimate in low latency. The four in one module has compatibility with like 70 different protocols and will work with just about any already existing receiver. This would be good if you have vehicles with various other receivers in them and don't want to replace them. There's also FCC and LBT. Get the FCC one if you're in the US and the LBT one if you're elsewhere.
Great video!!! A little confused though... "No place to mount a camera..." Whaaaaat?!? There are a number of places to mount a camera. There are four 3mm mounting locations that can be used to mount up a camera.
@DargoDog of course. You could also just double side tape a GoPro adapter to the top of the transmitter. There's always ways you can make mounts for transmitters what I was saying was that this transmitter has no first party solution. Because I am constantly recording on my phone having a good solid first party solution is important to me.
@@DoRC Fair enough. This is just a matter of perspective. I would be awesome if there was a first-party camera mount. However, I am guessing that with the target audience of this radio, they were assuming the users would take care of this on our own. Still an awesome video, and thank you for some good conversation on this.
This one can only bind with ELRS protocol receivers but they have a flavor with a 4 and 1 module that is compatible with like 70 different protocols. I'm not sure if the ant protocol is part of that list or not though. You can look it up on their website.
@DoRC yea lot of folks are gonna sleep on it cuz of that and the lack of a big flashy touchscreen. But anyone that picks one up and takes the time to learn the setup they won't ever use anything else I know of folks already switching from futaba and sanwas to the mt12. It's difficult to learn at first like a lot of things but quite simple once the basics are known
That's a tough one. The NB4 will be a more known transmitter and has a good reputation. This one will be more customizable and probably have slightly better response time but I'm not entirely sure that would matter. Personally I would just go with whichever one you like the idea of more. The NB4 is fancier and has a color screen while this one has a bit more potential for customization if that's something you might need.
It comes in two versions. I have the ELRS version which is only compatible with ELRS receivers. The other version comes with a 4-in-1 module which is compatible with something like 70 different protocols and is compatible with basically every receiver out there. I haven't used that one though so I'm not sure how it performs.
They refer to the types of radio modules that are available inside the transmitter. The four in one module has the ability to connect to pretty much any receiver currently on the market and the Express LRS module uses the Express LRS protocol to connect to Express LRS receivers.
@@DoRC I am trying to replace my DX3 from my brand new Kraton 6S EXB RTR. The DX3 is such a terrible transmitter. I would like to keep my Spectkrum receiver in the Kraton. If I buy this MT12 and pick the option 4 in 1. It will bind with the Spectkum Kraton stock receiver? Also I noticed the ExpressLRS receiver only has 3-4 slots to plug things in, I thought it would have more Aux for you to plug stuff in? Thank you so much for answering my newbie questions. :)
@@aliasangelalias Yes the 4-in-1 module will be compatible with the stock receiver. The receiver that comes with the ELRS version only has four channels but they have other ELRS receivers that have more. If you're new to the hobby you may want to consider something other than the radiomaster transmitter. It's pretty complicated and might be a bit intimidating. The DX6C that just came out would also be compatible with your receiver and is from spectrum. It is a significantly better transmitter than what you currently have and would be a lot easier to deal with than something like the radio master.
@@DoRC Haha funny you say that, because that was my choice (the DX6C) until someone told me DumboRC, RadioMaster, FlySky FS GT5, and RadioLink RC6GS V3 are far cheaper and better. That's why I'm researching for a brand outside of Spektrum. People bash Spektrum hard because of poor Reliability and price. I have the Felony 6S, Kraton 6S EXB v2, and soon the Big Rock 6S; you think DX6C is best and can bind with all three of my RC cars? And I also was looking at DX5 Rugged in Green, how is this compare to the DX6C? Which is better in reliability, distance, and quality? Again, you have been a great help and I LOVE LOVE your channel. I even hit the bell icon too! :)
@aliasangelalias plenty of people use spectrum transmitters without any issue. They aren't the best in the world but they're good. I think the three channel SLT receivers will bind with the spectrum transmitter but I think you have to put it into a different mode and I can't remember how to do that. It might be better just to get compatible receivers. The transmitter will come with one. The DX5 rugged is definitely more durable but it's a little touch panel interface is pretty frustrating sometimes. I would stick with the DX6. I don't think you'd be disappointed with any of the options. The DX6 would be the simplest for you with something like the radio length or Dumbo in the middle and then the radiomaster being the most complex. It really just depends on how far into it you want to go.
Yeah so basically the foreign one module would replace the ELRS module. It has the ability to bind with a ton of different receivers including the Spectrum ones and Traxxas ones. There are various limitations though such as limitations and programming on the Traxxas receivers etc. You can go on the radiomaster page and then look up the 4-in-1 chipset to see a full list of all the protocols it's compatible with. It's like 70 or something like that.
@@DoRC okay thanks. One more question if the ELRS module is gone I'm assuming the range of the radio is cut down and probably closer to a stock transmitter? Thanks again gorgeous your help.
@@Macgyver46 correct but keep in mind that it'll add a significant amount of size and weight to the transmitter as it gets stuck on the top basically and has its own antenna
E l r s is very low latency and high range but you have to use specific ELRS receivers. The four in one basically allows you to use the transmitter with almost any receiver brand out there so you do have to do some fiddling to get some of them to work. You do lose some functionality on some receivers though.
I wouldn't beat you concerned about it. The DDF-350 is a good transmitter and for many people this thing is going to be way overkill. It's an awesome transmitter though.
DoRC. If you had to chose between the DDF350 and MT12. Besides the camera mount option, which I also need. But also can design some 3D print option for. What would be your pick?
@cesco_rc I would go for the MT-12 but if you are intimidated by new technology go with the DDF 350. The operating system on the MT-12 is pretty complicated and it's strengths are also its weaknesses. Sometimes figuring out how to do things can be difficult.
I disagree that the ELRS version of the radio is the option of the two. Getting the 4in1 as default is the better deal. And there is two reasons 1. Getting the 4in1 will allow you to run almost any reciever you want 2. Getting external transmitter for ELRS will allow you to easily upgrade when the hardware changes for ELRS does like with the new nomad module. And you can run both or dual 4in1 or ELRS transmitter for 32 channels With that said your video made me buy the mt12 with every button and gyro module there is Ofc. If you want lowest latency the ELRS is the way to go, but I would go 4in1 internal and right now the nomad as external ELRS Regarding a cheaper version of the radio they could do a transmitter like bumborc ddf-350 with either 4in1 or ELRS and no option for external transmitter module. But keep the hall effect sensors and adjustable trigger/throttle
You make some good points and I think overall it just depends on what your goals are. Obviously the four in one is a fantastic option for many people I just personally think the ELRS is more of an innovation in the segment. A lot of it just depends on what your needs are though.
@@DoRC I agree, use case is everything, but if you are like most in this rc space, you don't just compete you also do casual driving, and getting the 4in1 internal and then run ELRS external you can just use whatever receiver comes with your car for the everyday drives, no need to go out and buy receivers for ELRS when it comes with a more than capable receiver for casual. And then for training and tournaments you just plug in the ELRS module on the receiver and you can take advantage of those features. So I would say, for most users, the 4in1 is the better option to go with, unless you plan on using exclusively ELRS receivers in everything and fork out the money it will cost you, then going with the internal ELRS is a no brainer. In my local club people are using all sorts of brands, and if I borrow (or buy one) RTR I don't want invest in another reciever to be able to use it. Now most of our cars are crawlers, but even if I borrow a drift car, a boat or something else, I don't want to be "that guy" who has to mess with another persons setup, but I would still like to use my radio, and with 4in1 you can just bind it and play around. This is just my perspective on it and why I bought the 4in1 a few months back.
@@GeekGarageDK To be honest you're probably right. I think my own bias of immediately replacing every single receiver with my own kind of blinded me to the versatility of the four in one. This is supported by the fact that it seems like most people are buying the four in one version.
@@DoRC as long as you are happy with your solution for your use case, then that is all that should matter for you. I just don't want viewers to take the ELRS route when brand new to the whole ELRS vs 4in1 on the hardware side, like I was about to do a few months back, not realizing what they give up initially and to get cross brand binding you then need an external module to use all their current receivers. I was just about to make that mistake when I realized that I was going to make my daily use harder for myself and also potentially lock myself into hardware that need upgrade to continue to use ELRS because the radio module inside the mt12 is end of life. I know it could just as well be the 4in1 that needed upgrade, but that would more likely be because of brand new protocols not existing. Where as the ELRS stuff is constantly evolving hence a greater chance for hardware upgrades needed down the road to continue using ELRS. Anyway, lovely to have a reasonable talk with you, not many RUclipsrs will say what you just did regarding your own bias, so I got a lot of respect for you and your approach to people not agreeing with you👍
I’m looking closely at the Flysky Noble NB4. It’s interface seems more idiot proof than the Radiomaster MT12 by far. I get it about features. Some folks like tinkering with tech. I just want it to work. I bought a DX5 Rugged and it was so bad I immediately sold it. It seems the early Noble NB4’s had latency issues but the current ones are great
Yeah one thing that EdgeTX is not is beginner friendly. The very basics will be pretty straightforward but it's also kind of easy to get yourself into trouble. It's sort of like running a Mac versus running Linux. The Mac does everything it can to stop you from getting yourself in trouble and Linux just sort of lets you do what you want. EdgeTX is pretty much like Linux in that way.
That is a nice remote. However, I really miss the twin stick surface remotes. I always disliked these trigger styled remotes. One day I hope those remotes make a come back.
@@DoRC That's what I've been researching lately. The Radio Master is on my list due to its compatability range. Also been looking at Radiolink since ALL my receivers are of that brand aswell. I'm just a cheapskate, and I'm having trouble convincing myself it's okay to spend over $100 on new transmitter of higher quality to achieve the feel I desire. I grew up on twin sticks with the few cars I had as a kid, they just feel natural to me.
@captaincouldverc I used to feel the same way. I actually thought rigs with pistol type radios were cheap, inferior products. After using one a long while I got used to it and feel the compete opposite. Maybe with a tank or boat I'd prefer sticks again but the pistol style just feels normal now.
@@boduke9428 Everybody has their preferences. I thought I was coming around to getting used to these style remotes till a few weeks ago. A buddy let me fly his plane and the feeling of controlled precision came rushing back I my fingers. It was at this moment I knew it was time to commit to the research to get one. Then take into account all the driving video games I played on Playstation as a kid, I would use the sticks. The twin sticks are a more natural feel to me. I gave these pistol remotes more than a few years to adjust to, and don't get me wrong, I can use them just fine. But they don't give me the feeling of being truly connected to the cars EVERY LITTLE DETAILED input.
You won't notice any lag with these. The ELRS latency is around 6 milliseconds and it's been very carefully tailored because it was originally designed for RC drones and you really can't have lag with those.
Yeah you don't have to use most of the advanced stuff but it is very advanced. I'm really hoping they come out with a cheaper smaller lighter and simpler version. I think a six-channel with the nice hall sensors and maybe even a built-in lipo for 80 bucks would sell a lot.
Definitely not too good to be true. Radiomaster has been making radios for years now. They know what they're doing and this is a good radio. If it had a stupid phone mount I'd probably be switching over to it.
@RC4us Yeah it's a learned skill for sure. It's just how I started and would I get used to. I know there are some people who drive one-handed and then film with the other hand. I've tried that and did not have good results.
I think it will be fine for both of those. You don't really need to use all of the fancy features and it is a pretty comfortable and competent radio on a basic level.
That's the screen resolution that the edge tx operating system is based on so having anything fancy or really isn't beneficial. A simple screen also has the advantage of being easily viewable outside while not using a ton of energy. Full color TFTs are beautiful but they Also use a ton of power to be viewable in direct sunlight. The more simple screen also requires less horsepower to drive computationally so that saves money and energy as well.
Yeah I think it is too. I'd love to see a much smaller stripped down version for 80 bucks. Radio Master makes stripped down versions of their aviation radios so I wouldn't be surprised if we see one of those as well
@DoRC yes if they offer a cheaper and MUCH simpler version but still ELRS I would absolutely consider trying one, depending on receiver price though, can't stand having to pay $70+ Australian for my Spektrum receivers😵
I love my zorro radiomaster but this is ugly af, big, heavy, i prefer a more simple and cheap rtc-8, i will wait for the next iteration, smaller and cheaper, or at the same price but with color screen
Great review. My MT12 is on the way. I've been a fpv drone hobbyist for almost 10 years. I was hoping one day we'd have a surface radio that can use ERLS. I have a Radiomaster TX16S running EdgeTX and ELRS for my drones and can't wait to finally have it on my ground RC's. Learning EdgeTX and updating the firmware on ELRS can be a little intimidating to new users but there are many great tutorials on RUclips that will guide you through it. Another great thing about both ETX and ELRS is that they are both open source software created by many very smart hobbyists who are always hard at work updating and making them better.
Global functions are special functions that apply to all models on the radio. On my TX16S I have two unused dials. I use one for screen brightness and the other for volume that I set through global functions.
Yeah I knew that from years ago I just had forgotten. It's been a while since I've been into quads so some of the open TX stuff is slipped away. Fortunately I don't think people were really need to get into updating firmware and stuff like that unless they want to. Hope fully radio Master will keep their ELRS firmware versions on the transmitter and the receivers the same so they stay in a compatible state. I can see how that sort of thing would get very frustrating for people if they had to do a bunch of firmware updating all the time.
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Im dying to get one so i can set up that 3 way switch for different braking curves depends on what im driving on. Its greatest strength is also its biggest weakness. It can do literally anything, but you have to learn how to program it to do literally everything.
Absolutely. The edge tx operating system is incredible but like you said there's quite a learning curve.
@@hughjanus5518 I completely agree with this. If you are technically inclined and like to learn it won't be a problem but if you just want a transmitter that does transmitter stuff and aren't interested in learning a new operating system it could be a little daunting.
It’s exciting for us speed runners due to the extensive range without strapping a booster on it and the faster response. But god is it complicated.
Yeah I definitely went through the learning curve back when it was open TX and I was doing FPV. Once you get the basics down it's really not bad There's just a lot of stuff in there that doesn't really feel intuitive.
But yeah range latency and ability to customize is unmatchable.
@@DoRC I agree, when I first started in Opentx it was a lot. When version edgetx 2.10 comes out (any day now) you can set it up on the computer which is much more intuitive.
This is the future of radios and will beat out all radios out there. They’re definitely needs to be a $80 version. ELRS is the best there is because it’s open source software. I have been using it for a long time with my quad copters.I was waiting for this to drop on ground-based vehicles. Again, this is the future and nothing but good things will keep happening with open software.
I agree on all accounts. I think that edgetx with ELRS is the way to go And I also agree that they need to come out with a cheaper version. 99% of people don't need all the bells and whistles. Make it much smaller lighter with half the switches still keep the hall sensors and make it 80 bucks and they'd sell a million of them.
Considering that futaba can sell the 10px for $800 and it has less features. I don’t think 150 for the mt12 is bad at all
@@bensonroubinet4319 absolutely. It's a good deal for what you get. With that being said I do agree that a cheaper version would be good. Not because this is a bad value but because there is a lot of things on this transmitter that the vast majority of people won't need. RGB LEDs, the larger screen, most of the buttons and dials and switches etc could be eliminated. Add in a single battery option with a smaller lithium battery and you could end up with an extremely capable transmitter that weighs significantly less, is smaller and could be made less expensively.
With range like that this could be the hot ticket for my speed run cars. The price point is quite impressive especially when you consider what guys are spending on Futaba radios with boosters. 🤔
I could go for less buttons on the radio but 🤷🏼 the range really has me interested. Like I said perfect for speed cars.
Agreed. The range on this is as far as you could possibly want it to be especially if you get one of the external antenna receivers. There are drone guys that have been able to fly 30 kilometers away using the same setup.
Latencies also really really good because it's designed for drones.
I'd love to see a version with fewer bells and whistles smaller lighter and 80 bucks. I bet that would sell a lot!
@@DoRC I wont be buying until spring so it will be interesting to see if and what they come out with. Thanks for putting this on my radar.
@@DoRC Agree. A simpler and cheaper version would sell like hot cakes!
My Futaba 4PM ranges out around 1100 feet on my Limitless, which is about what it takes to make a run and get it turned around. And that is with dual antennas. Might be a better option as I am right on the edge with it.
Yeah I don't think you'd have an issue with that here. Especially if you use one of the receivers that has an external antenna and mount it properly you should be able to go miles with it. What you saw in my video was basically worst case scenario with terrain in the way, a whole bunch of interference from those power lines and the worst possible receiver. There are people that have flown with ELRS 30 km or more.
I fly miles away in the city with ELRS, T16s & Edgetx. ELRS gives me the best range I have ever had. Better range with ELRS 2.4 than my long range 900mhz system.
@@craigcupit1917 ELRS range is crazy!
Considering the size and weight of other high end radios, nothing out of the ordinary. And at $130, a smokin' deal! Tons of adjustability and options (no, I don't consider this a negative) and the sky is the limit with this radio - the protocol with the MT-12 opens up a whole new area in surface radios. Definitely, not for everyone but you're getting a game changing radio for $130, amazing!
Yeah I absolutely agree that when compared to other high-end radios it's really not that bigger heavy but I think most people in the hobby will be comparing it to what they currently have or other cheaper radios and when compared to those it's pretty big. I think radio link would do very good to create a version without as many bells and whistles make it smaller lighter and cheaper.
90% of the people who buy this radio won't use 90% of the functionality and I bet a lot more people would buy it if it was smaller lighter and only cost $80
@@DoRC For sure but you release the flag ship model first and use it to create a buzz. Then release a simpler version. I do agree that most people never utilize the full potential of a high end radio, even one with much fewer options then the MT-12.
@jerryvolpini7987 oh absolutely. Releasing the fanciest one first is a good idea to get people's attention. Hopefully they have a simpler one in the works though.
These are great I have the 4in1 multi protocol version and it will bind to lots of currently available receivers including flysky and dumbo rc. I have about 10 models bound to it already and it’s nice having one does all and no requirement to take multiple transmitters with me. Great bit of kit
For sure. Personally I think the ELRS version is the real star but I'm sure most people would disagree with that. I guess I'm just so used to swapping out receivers and everything I get that the 4-in-one doesn't really appeal to me that much.
@@DoRCFlysky has the smallest receiver I've seen (Fs2a), super cool the 4in1 will bind to that one in particular. I agree elrs is awesome though. Imagine if it had both built into one without the need for a module! I hope the next version is like that and a little more sleek, less bulky.
@@keldonatorradiomaster er4 elrs receiver is very small too..
@Meldinov Do you know of any ELRS receivers with surface gyros? I couldn't find any.
@@DoRC not that I know. eles is pretty new and designed mostly for drones and other flying things with a flight controller. the pwm receivers are a new addition. I hope this new surface radio starts a trend and more manufacturers make things like elrs receivers with gyro or GPS
Coming from the FPV scene. This is a huge step for the surface radios. Surface radios have been so far behind aircraft systems. They are far cheaper and offer way more features
Yeah same here. I did FPV for years before I got really heavy back into surface and this definitely is the future. I'd really like to see radio Master make a smaller cheaper lighter and simpler version since the vast vast majority of people in the hobby really don't need 75% of what's on this transmitter.
@@DoRC I 100% agree with you there. 👍🏼
@TheLastTater given that they make cheaper versions of the aviation radios I bet they'll come out with one. It'd be kind of silly for them not to
Im going to be getting one of these for FPV driving.
This + the new Walksnail Avatar HD FPV Goggles L and the CADDXFPV GM3 setup will mean i get to make full use of that range.
Yeah the Express LRS set up is definitely a good option for FPV. I was running up against some transmitter range problems during the making of this video with a fly sky transmitter
I really like the sound of all the amazing options on some of these high tech radios but honesly most RTR radios or my DX5 are more than enough for me...but great video showing all the ins and outs of this radio!!!!👍👍
Yeah it's an awesome thing and truly the future. The HTX system is infinitely customizable and ELRS is the ultimate protocol but I really want to see radio Master come out with something that's smaller lighter cheaper and has fewer bells and whistles. Make it 80 bucks and I bet they'd sell a ton of them.
Close call with that pond 😂 glad the mt410 didn’t go swimming … the range is absolutely bonkers! Great review bud
Yeah same here. I didn't realize I'd gotten that close to it. I'm glad I stopped when I did. Thanks for watching!
@@DoRC of course bro
Great Video! Can you say what your ELRS Packet Rate was for the Range Test?
Amazingly that was on f1000. That's the default rate and I didn't change it.
This by far is the most extensive review on a radio I have ever seen. But radios like this have always intimidated me because I’m just a basher I think I would be lost with all the options.
Fortunately most of the basic stuff is fairly easy to access and you can just ignore most of the advanced options. That being said there are definitely simpler radios out there that will do whatever most people need them to
For just bashing around, maybe more functions than needs, but even just for the multi-model TX this is great, of course that can be done with almost any radio, but with this you'll have the settings stored!
@SiuroRC Yeah this thing might have more features than is actually good for some people just because of how complicated it can be but you definitely won't ever be wanting for more features :-)
I'm already looking at the Radiolink 7 channel, so this is only a few dollars more, I am going to wait to see the staying power though, the last time i jumped on a trend was when Nomadio tried breaking into RC, but the Afgan war (the second one) happened and them as military contractors had to drop out of commercial market. really had potential though
I wouldn't be too worried about this falling into obscurity. Radio Master has been making radios for the FPV crowd for quite some time now and they're well established and well known.
Crazy Range! Maybe great for a 1/5th or bigger scale truck, and it has to in bright RED color to see it. Oh, and no hills too haha
Yeah I don't think you'd ever have a range problem with this.
I'm so glad to finally see a proper Open/EdgeTX surface radio, I have a Taranis that I love but it's not that practical for cars or boats so this will be great.
You mentioned formal coating, I think it's slightly annoying that they haven't done it to the receivers already, it feels a bit old to have to do it to modern receivers but at least doing it myself means I know it's done so there's that :)
How do you think the insides will do in wet conditions? I'm thinking of formal coating everything in the radio like I did with my Gt3c but I'm worried how it will affect things like the hall sensors.
Not sure. I would probably just consider it to not be water resistant and yeah you'll definitely need to be careful with conformal coating around anything that moves.
I have 6 Radiomaster radios for FPV quads and fixed wings. The point of this radio is Express LRS plus the ability to add an external module. Express LRS is the future for all RC surface and air applications. EdgeTX will allow you to add customize the radio and vehicle functionality any way you want and it’s open source. The devs are awesome. No one company locks you into a brand with this OS. I can run any vehicle (pretty much) with one radio. Good review 👍
I agree. This kind of thing definitely is the future though it is a bit complicated for many people in the hobby. Thanks for watching :-)
@@DoRC It's definitely not for people who want to just take the product out of the box, charge, and play around. For serious hobbyists it is SO much cheaper in the long run. I just found your channel, great job!
@MrBlueSky2112 absolutely. It's an awesome transmitter! I think the four in one module will be appealing to a lot of people but like you said the real gem is the express LRS option.
@@DoRC So the ELRS with an external 4 in 1 module… One radio to rule them all.
@@MrBlueSky2112 definitely a good setup! Kind of cumbersome but covers all the bases!
Buy the 4IN1 or ELRS and get the nano module and have both. This takes time to learn, especially for a beginner like me, but I saw this, looked at nothing else and bought one, what else can offer what this does for this sort of money. And it feels great for something at this price point. It may not be the easiest transmitter to use at first, but I reckon it's worth the effort.
You definitely could do that but just keep in mind you're taking what's already a very large transmitter and making it even larger especially with the external antenna that the module will have. Not saying it's a bad idea but it is something to keep in mind.
I'm highly interested in the 4 in 1. To combine all my RTR recivers would be great. Also, I love all the switches since I'm kinda a lights junkie 😅 I could add the ELRS later if I ever need it.
Yeah I can see why the 4-in-one would be very appealing for a lot of people. It's not as appealing for me just because I'm so used to swapping receivers out basically immediately so I can use my camera Mount transmitter but I know most people aren't doing that.
@DoRC I'm working on it. The 4&1 has mini-z stuff, which is a limited number of transmitter’s that work with em, so that's a big one. My goal is to mount an action cam on my rigs and record my adventures around the city. If money wasn't a problem I'd build a custom rig around having cameras.
@@Macgyver46 i'm probably going with the 4in1 for the same reason. Not trying to buy an elrs module for every single car i have or new little rtr ones i may buy. Man I just wish they could have both protocols in 1!!!
@takeiteasy6346 technically you can. It comes with an adapter for an external radio module and you can put the other protocol module in that day. It's going to make it a bit bigger and more clunky but it is doable
@@DoRC yea i'm aware, i really dont want to make it any bigger!
One more question. If the ESLR module is gone from the 4 in 1 I'm guessing the range is also drastically reduced & probably more like the factory radio gear ? Thanks again
That I can't speak to. The magic of the ELRS system is what gives it its incredible range but that doesn't mean the four in one system won't have better range than stock systems. Honestly it probably just depends on how good the stock system was to begin with.
@@DoRC sure, I'm going with the ESLR and I'll buy whatever receives I need. I have 2 main speed cars. Thats less than half the price of a Futaba without a booster & the latency is way better on the mt12. How expensive can a receiver be 🤷🏼😂
Really cool radio, especially the small micro receiver. I knew the range was going be insane. Saw Roadside RC do his range test and it was 1.5 miles from his house before it lost signal 👀
Yeah it's as far as you could possibly want.
Steering trim, steering rate, throttle trim, maybe a 3rd channel, that's all I want my radio to do
I think that's what most people want. If they come out with a version that has maybe six channels, a few trims and all the same awesome software ability at a price like $80 I think they'd really be able to sell a lot of them. Not that they won't sell a bunch of these but it's going to be a lot of people buying a bunch of stuff they're never going to use :-)
@@DoRCif the bring out a cheaper version it's still going to be running edge TX with 32 channels and just as complex to setup.
@@D20MCK That's correct. It would still run the same software I just think they could take down the mechanical complexity and size a bit which would make it more appealing. The basics of the setup really aren't that bad. It's kind of as complicated as you want it to be and they've done a decent job of putting the settings that less advanced people would want pretty easily at hand.
@@DoRC I've been using Open TX for a while now on drones so I'm familiar with the system, but for anyone who isn't they should include a couple of basic models already configured so it's a bit more plug and play. They need steering dual rates on a dial or trim, throttle and steering on the correct channels.
None of the drone guys complain because they're used to working for it with totally scratch built drones.
I'm loving my MT12
@@D20MCK Yeah I think that having the channels reversed is a really big bummer because just like I did I'm sure plenty of people are going to be driving their cars into themselves and then scratching their head to figure out what they did wrong. But yeah I do agree that for a lot of people simply having a remote that just does the job and nothing more might be more appropriate.
Is there something like AVC/SVC for this reciever?
At this point it doesn't appear as though they have any gyro receivers for this but I expect that to change. This product line hasn't been out very long so it's not fully developed yet I don't think.
Not needed for normal bashing but some one like Danny Huynh would probably love it or the crawler guys with all their lights and winches and things.
Yeah I think most people don't need all the features. It is nice though.
I almost bought one but i have no idea which one to buy 😂. I need to do more research. I primarily do crawling with a little bashing so not sure which version i would need. Couldnt find much info on their site about which version is best for what.
The only difference between the two versions is the radio module they have inside. The ELRS radio module will only work with their ELRS receivers or any ELRs receiver for that matter and is great for range and ultimate in low latency. The four in one module has compatibility with like 70 different protocols and will work with just about any already existing receiver. This would be good if you have vehicles with various other receivers in them and don't want to replace them.
There's also FCC and LBT. Get the FCC one if you're in the US and the LBT one if you're elsewhere.
Great video!!! A little confused though... "No place to mount a camera..." Whaaaaat?!? There are a number of places to mount a camera. There are four 3mm mounting locations that can be used to mount up a camera.
Using what mount?
@@DoRC Using the 3mm threaded (brass) holes as a mount point, a mount could easily be drawn up and printed.
@DargoDog of course. You could also just double side tape a GoPro adapter to the top of the transmitter. There's always ways you can make mounts for transmitters what I was saying was that this transmitter has no first party solution. Because I am constantly recording on my phone having a good solid first party solution is important to me.
There are also 3D print files now available on websites like Yeggi as far as phone/camera mounts go.
@@DoRC Fair enough.
This is just a matter of perspective. I would be awesome if there was a first-party camera mount. However, I am guessing that with the target audience of this radio, they were assuming the users would take care of this on our own.
Still an awesome video, and thank you for some good conversation on this.
What receivers can you bind to it? Can it bind to the fs-r7p receiver?
Edit: the r7p receiver uses the ant protocol
This one can only bind with ELRS protocol receivers but they have a flavor with a 4 and 1 module that is compatible with like 70 different protocols. I'm not sure if the ant protocol is part of that list or not though. You can look it up on their website.
@@DoRC I’ll look it up and find out
Is there an option for a drop down wheel? I’d be all over this if there was
At this time no I don't think there is.
This radio is gonna take over all aspects of surface rc. Drag, drift, speed run, bashing, crawler
Yes and no. There are a lot of people that won't be interested in something like this just because of how complicated the interface is.
@DoRC yea lot of folks are gonna sleep on it cuz of that and the lack of a big flashy touchscreen. But anyone that picks one up and takes the time to learn the setup they won't ever use anything else I know of folks already switching from futaba and sanwas to the mt12. It's difficult to learn at first like a lot of things but quite simple once the basics are known
For racing or bashing would you recommend this or noble nb4?
That's a tough one. The NB4 will be a more known transmitter and has a good reputation. This one will be more customizable and probably have slightly better response time but I'm not entirely sure that would matter. Personally I would just go with whichever one you like the idea of more. The NB4 is fancier and has a color screen while this one has a bit more potential for customization if that's something you might need.
It's compatible with other recievers? How does it preform with those?
It comes in two versions. I have the ELRS version which is only compatible with ELRS receivers. The other version comes with a 4-in-1 module which is compatible with something like 70 different protocols and is compatible with basically every receiver out there. I haven't used that one though so I'm not sure how it performs.
Hi, what is 4 in 1 and Express IRS means?
They refer to the types of radio modules that are available inside the transmitter. The four in one module has the ability to connect to pretty much any receiver currently on the market and the Express LRS module uses the Express LRS protocol to connect to Express LRS receivers.
@@DoRC I am trying to replace my DX3 from my brand new Kraton 6S EXB RTR. The DX3 is such a terrible transmitter. I would like to keep my Spectkrum receiver in the Kraton. If I buy this MT12 and pick the option 4 in 1. It will bind with the Spectkum Kraton stock receiver? Also I noticed the ExpressLRS receiver only has 3-4 slots to plug things in, I thought it would have more Aux for you to plug stuff in? Thank you so much for answering my newbie questions. :)
@@aliasangelalias Yes the 4-in-1 module will be compatible with the stock receiver. The receiver that comes with the ELRS version only has four channels but they have other ELRS receivers that have more.
If you're new to the hobby you may want to consider something other than the radiomaster transmitter. It's pretty complicated and might be a bit intimidating.
The DX6C that just came out would also be compatible with your receiver and is from spectrum. It is a significantly better transmitter than what you currently have and would be a lot easier to deal with than something like the radio master.
@@DoRC Haha funny you say that, because that was my choice (the DX6C) until someone told me DumboRC, RadioMaster, FlySky FS GT5, and RadioLink RC6GS V3 are far cheaper and better. That's why I'm researching for a brand outside of Spektrum. People bash Spektrum hard because of poor Reliability and price. I have the Felony 6S, Kraton 6S EXB v2, and soon the Big Rock 6S; you think DX6C is best and can bind with all three of my RC cars? And I also was looking at DX5 Rugged in Green, how is this compare to the DX6C? Which is better in reliability, distance, and quality? Again, you have been a great help and I LOVE LOVE your channel. I even hit the bell icon too! :)
@aliasangelalias plenty of people use spectrum transmitters without any issue. They aren't the best in the world but they're good. I think the three channel SLT receivers will bind with the spectrum transmitter but I think you have to put it into a different mode and I can't remember how to do that. It might be better just to get compatible receivers. The transmitter will come with one.
The DX5 rugged is definitely more durable but it's a little touch panel interface is pretty frustrating sometimes. I would stick with the DX6.
I don't think you'd be disappointed with any of the options. The DX6 would be the simplest for you with something like the radio length or Dumbo in the middle and then the radiomaster being the most complex. It really just depends on how far into it you want to go.
So the 4 in 1 is the same Transmitter it's just able to bind to more receivers?
Yeah so basically the foreign one module would replace the ELRS module. It has the ability to bind with a ton of different receivers including the Spectrum ones and Traxxas ones. There are various limitations though such as limitations and programming on the Traxxas receivers etc. You can go on the radiomaster page and then look up the 4-in-1 chipset to see a full list of all the protocols it's compatible with. It's like 70 or something like that.
@@DoRC okay thanks. One more question if the ELRS module is gone I'm assuming the range of the radio is cut down and probably closer to a stock transmitter? Thanks again gorgeous your help.
The ELRS module can be purchased for $40 and added on. I'm getting the 4 n 1 and will add ERLS when I build a speed car.
@@Macgyver46 correct but keep in mind that it'll add a significant amount of size and weight to the transmitter as it gets stuck on the top basically and has its own antenna
@@Macgyver46 good idea.
Newb here. Why 4in1 vs ELRS. What am I giving up one way or the other?
E l r s is very low latency and high range but you have to use specific ELRS receivers. The four in one basically allows you to use the transmitter with almost any receiver brand out there so you do have to do some fiddling to get some of them to work. You do lose some functionality on some receivers though.
Dang. I just bought my DDF-350…. That one looks good
I wouldn't beat you concerned about it. The DDF-350 is a good transmitter and for many people this thing is going to be way overkill. It's an awesome transmitter though.
DoRC. If you had to chose between the DDF350 and MT12. Besides the camera mount option, which I also need. But also can design some 3D print option for. What would be your pick?
@cesco_rc I would go for the MT-12 but if you are intimidated by new technology go with the DDF 350. The operating system on the MT-12 is pretty complicated and it's strengths are also its weaknesses. Sometimes figuring out how to do things can be difficult.
@@DoRC I do not mind new technology and a learning proces.
It's only $130? I think that's an amazing deal, speed runners will probably love this transmitter.
Yeah the price is pretty good! Thanks for watching :-)
Well...its 150$...🙄
@@themountain59 $130 with coupon. There are US retailers selling it for $130 as well.
Who has it on sale?@@DoRC
There are a bunch of people in the US selling them. I've recommend just googling it and then picking one of the options on there.
Got this from Ali for 103 bucks w/ lipo battery and all assesories. Best transmitter next to my nb4.
That's a pretty killer deal.
I disagree that the ELRS version of the radio is the option of the two. Getting the 4in1 as default is the better deal. And there is two reasons
1. Getting the 4in1 will allow you to run almost any reciever you want
2. Getting external transmitter for ELRS will allow you to easily upgrade when the hardware changes for ELRS does like with the new nomad module.
And you can run both or dual 4in1 or ELRS transmitter for 32 channels
With that said your video made me buy the mt12 with every button and gyro module there is
Ofc. If you want lowest latency the ELRS is the way to go, but I would go 4in1 internal and right now the nomad as external ELRS
Regarding a cheaper version of the radio they could do a transmitter like bumborc ddf-350 with either 4in1 or ELRS and no option for external transmitter module. But keep the hall effect sensors and adjustable trigger/throttle
You make some good points and I think overall it just depends on what your goals are. Obviously the four in one is a fantastic option for many people I just personally think the ELRS is more of an innovation in the segment.
A lot of it just depends on what your needs are though.
@@DoRC I agree, use case is everything, but if you are like most in this rc space, you don't just compete you also do casual driving, and getting the 4in1 internal and then run ELRS external you can just use whatever receiver comes with your car for the everyday drives, no need to go out and buy receivers for ELRS when it comes with a more than capable receiver for casual. And then for training and tournaments you just plug in the ELRS module on the receiver and you can take advantage of those features.
So I would say, for most users, the 4in1 is the better option to go with, unless you plan on using exclusively ELRS receivers in everything and fork out the money it will cost you, then going with the internal ELRS is a no brainer.
In my local club people are using all sorts of brands, and if I borrow (or buy one) RTR I don't want invest in another reciever to be able to use it. Now most of our cars are crawlers, but even if I borrow a drift car, a boat or something else, I don't want to be "that guy" who has to mess with another persons setup, but I would still like to use my radio, and with 4in1 you can just bind it and play around.
This is just my perspective on it and why I bought the 4in1 a few months back.
@@GeekGarageDK To be honest you're probably right. I think my own bias of immediately replacing every single receiver with my own kind of blinded me to the versatility of the four in one. This is supported by the fact that it seems like most people are buying the four in one version.
@@DoRC as long as you are happy with your solution for your use case, then that is all that should matter for you. I just don't want viewers to take the ELRS route when brand new to the whole ELRS vs 4in1 on the hardware side, like I was about to do a few months back, not realizing what they give up initially and to get cross brand binding you then need an external module to use all their current receivers. I was just about to make that mistake when I realized that I was going to make my daily use harder for myself and also potentially lock myself into hardware that need upgrade to continue to use ELRS because the radio module inside the mt12 is end of life. I know it could just as well be the 4in1 that needed upgrade, but that would more likely be because of brand new protocols not existing. Where as the ELRS stuff is constantly evolving hence a greater chance for hardware upgrades needed down the road to continue using ELRS.
Anyway, lovely to have a reasonable talk with you, not many RUclipsrs will say what you just did regarding your own bias, so I got a lot of respect for you and your approach to people not agreeing with you👍
No problem thanks for watching and have a good one :-)
I love mine. It’s cheaper than the radio link. And does more stuff
Yeah it'll do pretty much anything as long as you don't let the interface intimidate you.
With the cost of spektrum and how bad my last 4 were I'm switching!
Yeah this is definitely a better value than that!
Lol...everything is better than a Spektum😂
I’m looking closely at the Flysky Noble NB4. It’s interface seems more idiot proof than the Radiomaster MT12 by far. I get it about features. Some folks like tinkering with tech. I just want it to work. I bought a DX5 Rugged and it was so bad I immediately sold it. It seems the early Noble NB4’s had latency issues but the current ones are great
Yeah one thing that EdgeTX is not is beginner friendly. The very basics will be pretty straightforward but it's also kind of easy to get yourself into trouble. It's sort of like running a Mac versus running Linux. The Mac does everything it can to stop you from getting yourself in trouble and Linux just sort of lets you do what you want. EdgeTX is pretty much like Linux in that way.
That is a nice remote.
However, I really miss the twin stick surface remotes. I always disliked these trigger styled remotes.
One day I hope those remotes make a come back.
Well you could get a radio master twin stick drone style remote and use it with one of these ELRS surface receivers. They're all compatible.
@@DoRC
That's what I've been researching lately.
The Radio Master is on my list due to its compatability range.
Also been looking at Radiolink since ALL my receivers are of that brand aswell.
I'm just a cheapskate, and I'm having trouble convincing myself it's okay to spend over $100 on new transmitter of higher quality to achieve the feel I desire.
I grew up on twin sticks with the few cars I had as a kid, they just feel natural to me.
@captaincouldverc I used to feel the same way. I actually thought rigs with pistol type radios were cheap, inferior products. After using one a long while I got used to it and feel the compete opposite. Maybe with a tank or boat I'd prefer sticks again but the pistol style just feels normal now.
@boduke9428 agreed. I have flown twin stick style transmitters for many years but I really can't imagine one being advantageous on a surface vehicle.
@@boduke9428
Everybody has their preferences.
I thought I was coming around to getting used to these style remotes till a few weeks ago.
A buddy let me fly his plane and the feeling of controlled precision came rushing back I my fingers. It was at this moment I knew it was time to commit to the research to get one.
Then take into account all the driving video games I played on Playstation as a kid, I would use the sticks.
The twin sticks are a more natural feel to me.
I gave these pistol remotes more than a few years to adjust to, and don't get me wrong, I can use them just fine.
But they don't give me the feeling of being truly connected to the cars EVERY LITTLE DETAILED input.
Hope its not as laggy as radiolink
You won't notice any lag with these. The ELRS latency is around 6 milliseconds and it's been very carefully tailored because it was originally designed for RC drones and you really can't have lag with those.
@@DoRC looks really good! Is it much heavier than a dx5 rugged?
Wayyy to advanced for my brain 😄 stick to my flysky gt5 😄
Yeah you don't have to use most of the advanced stuff but it is very advanced. I'm really hoping they come out with a cheaper smaller lighter and simpler version. I think a six-channel with the nice hall sensors and maybe even a built-in lipo for 80 bucks would sell a lot.
Cool video AGAIN I’ve been hearing a lot about these recently they seem to good to be true lol
Definitely not too good to be true. Radiomaster has been making radios for years now. They know what they're doing and this is a good radio. If it had a stupid phone mount I'd probably be switching over to it.
@@DoRC lol I don't even use camera on my transmitter I can't keep it in frame lol
@@DoRC I really think I'm going to a noble nb4 soon then sell off my dx5 an all then recievers
@@RC4us Don't have any experience with it myself but there are definitely a lot of people that are happy with them.
@RC4us Yeah it's a learned skill for sure. It's just how I started and would I get used to. I know there are some people who drive one-handed and then film with the other hand. I've tried that and did not have good results.
I just need the range keep everything else they reallydo need a simpler version for speed run guys and the general community
Yeah I don't know for sure but I would be shocked if they weren't already working on a cost reduced version
Edgetx &. Express Long Range System
Yep!
£124 😮 that’s not bad if this is genuinely good
It is. Radio Master has been making radios for a long time for FPV so they know what they're doing. It's a sweet rig
@@DoRCthank you for bringing this to my attention it’s definitely a consideration next month
Let me know if you end up getting it :-)
I think that radio is no fun for basher or crawler..but that is just me 😁
I think it will be fine for both of those. You don't really need to use all of the fancy features and it is a pretty comfortable and competent radio on a basic level.
Bang good for the win 😂
Yeah there are US retailers that have them right now but if you can catch it on sale at bangers with a coupon you can often do better.
I think for a basher or crawler that ting is too complicated and no fun at all...but that is just me😁
It can be complicated but the basics are pretty easy to understand so I think that it should be okay for most people
Says more about you than the radio. Takes a couple of minutes to learn.
nice but a screen from a 1990 gameboy ? 🤦🏻🤦🏻
That's the screen resolution that the edge tx operating system is based on so having anything fancy or really isn't beneficial. A simple screen also has the advantage of being easily viewable outside while not using a ton of energy. Full color TFTs are beautiful but they Also use a ton of power to be viewable in direct sunlight.
The more simple screen also requires less horsepower to drive computationally so that saves money and energy as well.
Kevin Talbot didn’t like this 😂
It's a pretty complex transmitter that many people won't be interested in.
Well and truly overkill for cars I think both range and features but if you like to fpv your cars it might be for you😆
Good old dumborc🤣
Yeah I think it is too. I'd love to see a much smaller stripped down version for 80 bucks. Radio Master makes stripped down versions of their aviation radios so I wouldn't be surprised if we see one of those as well
@DoRC yes if they offer a cheaper and MUCH simpler version but still ELRS I would absolutely consider trying one, depending on receiver price though, can't stand having to pay $70+ Australian for my Spektrum receivers😵
I love my zorro radiomaster but this is ugly af, big, heavy, i prefer a more simple and cheap rtc-8, i will wait for the next iteration, smaller and cheaper, or at the same price but with color screen
I agree that this is pretty extravagant for most people's use cases. I definitely hope they come out with a smaller lighter version.