Charlie very well said, this Civic is not "the 'hatchiest' of hatchbacks" and loses a lot of practicality with the compromised lift-back styling. But it is not all bad news, the fact the manual beat the CVT in highway mpg puts a big, big 😁 on my face. The fewer drivers that are 'subjected to CVTs', the better🤩🤩🤩
Most people are gonna buy CVTs rather than learning a manual, that’s just the reality. Car companies are appealing to the masses who aren’t car enthusiasts and just want something reliable that’ll go from A to B. Unfortunately eventually we’re gonna have to pay a premium for what’s turning into a premium feature
Thank you for the video! I need to replace my 2004 Honda Civic 5MT soon. It gets 40mpg on a bad day. Usually closer to 44mpg. The new civics are so big that I didn't think they would get above 40 but it appears they do. Thanks for doing this experiment for me!
Anyone know why the 2023 models with manual only come in 3 colors that all cost $400 extra? Is Honda trying to hint they don't want us buying this? Doesn't make sense. The CVT has 8 colors 4 of which cost nothing. Doesn't help this car barely exists impossible to test drive AND all Honda dealers are doing this mandatory "protection package" crap. Why...
I lnow its really weird why we cant get black in touring manuel im pretty sure its because they want people to switch to cvt because in the electric world there is no such thing as manuel and the future is electric
I have a 21 Accord Touring with the lane keep assist. I use the feature quite often, as I have a 40 mile highway commute. The system usually tends to pull you to one side or another, depending which lane you are in. I usually drive in the left, so the LKA tends to pull me there. Despite this Characteristic, I find it useful on the highway. You just can let your attention wander because it only assists you, and not fully autonomous.
I'm puzzled why Honda has a turbo 4 banger geared like that. I have a cvt 2.0L Soul that will cruise about 2300 rpm @ 70mph. I'd think they could have geard 6th taller, to help knock down that RPM some. I had a 2016 Golf Wagon with the 1.8L turbo & an automatic. I would routinly average 40mpg with a personal best near 45mpg...
Awesome video to test highway MPG with the manual vs CVT at 42MPG with 520 miles, that's great gas saver. but I know manual is better MPG than automatic or CVT on road at city/highway. I think they should offer more manual on cars out there because of too many CVT on cars and transmission is not last longer a like manual plus easy to replace the clutch and flywheel.😁👍
@@DailyMotorI’ve went and set up the ktuner 93 octane base tune on mine, it’s quite nice now. Not a rocketship by any means, but it moves enough and with a port injected k20 I’m not worrying about reliability failing me
The Civic Sport Touring manual would be the one I would choose over the Civic Si and Integra A-Spec (tech). I don't have a local track, therefore don't need the LSD. The sport/equipment/space ratio is just about perfect. I even think it looks the best out of those 3. The proportions are better than the Integra. At 42mpg, it would be really hard to beat for a daily driver. Incredible car, and what a value in comparison to the top trim Integra.
The safest thing about any vehicle is the driver. I don't need all the fancy technology. Just give me a reliable vehicle with stick shift, I can manage the rest.
Yeah, I’d really like to try the 2 liter. Unfortunately Honda doesn’t carry them in the press fleet, and a dealer isn’t gonna let us throw 100 miles on a car :/
Same, I'd really like to see the K20C2 6MT in action. I have this engine and transmission in my 10th Sedan and can also get 42mpg, but only at 60mph cruising. However, if I lower my cruising speed (country highways) I can get 52mpg...which I doubt the 1.5T can simulate since engine speed is getting close to 1000rpm.
Honda Automotive is a dead company walking. Honda’s inventory (at least in North America) is down 83 percent. In other words, Honda is running out of cars to sell. Be leery about purchasing anything new from Honda. If it goes under, who’ll honor the warranty?
They won’t be carrying many new cars on their lots anymore you will have to order them if you want the new new that’s what I was told a couple days ago at the dealership
We need more car like this ! No SUV
Car manufacturers need to make profit, regardless the model. So... we buy more sedans instead of SUVs?
Charlie very well said, this Civic is not "the 'hatchiest' of hatchbacks" and loses a lot of practicality with the compromised lift-back styling. But it is not all bad news, the fact the manual beat the CVT in highway mpg puts a big, big 😁 on my face. The fewer drivers that are 'subjected to CVTs', the better🤩🤩🤩
Most people are gonna buy CVTs rather than learning a manual, that’s just the reality. Car companies are appealing to the masses who aren’t car enthusiasts and just want something reliable that’ll go from A to B. Unfortunately eventually we’re gonna have to pay a premium for what’s turning into a premium feature
I like when he gets annoyed at other drivers. Let the hate flow through you Charlie.
The description says it's a 2.0L engine but at 1:00 in the video, the annotations say 1.5L turbo. Is it safe to assume the description is correct?
for people in the future this is the sport touring with the 1.5. Id like to see a video about the 2.0 myself.
Thank you for the video! I need to replace my 2004 Honda Civic 5MT soon. It gets 40mpg on a bad day. Usually closer to 44mpg. The new civics are so big that I didn't think they would get above 40 but it appears they do. Thanks for doing this experiment for me!
6-speed is what does it.
And it is a hatchback and top trim! My next car
I'd really love to see this test with the 2.0L NA engine found on the lower trim levels.
I’m very curious to see how the base 2.0L engine does in the DM highway fuel economy test. I hope you guys can find one to test out soon!
Anyone know why the 2023 models with manual only come in 3 colors that all cost $400 extra? Is Honda trying to hint they don't want us buying this? Doesn't make sense. The CVT has 8 colors 4 of which cost nothing.
Doesn't help this car barely exists impossible to test drive AND all Honda dealers are doing this mandatory "protection package" crap. Why...
I lnow its really weird why we cant get black in touring manuel im pretty sure its because they want people to switch to cvt because in the electric world there is no such thing as manuel and the future is electric
I have a 21 Accord Touring with the lane keep assist. I use the feature quite often, as I have a 40 mile highway commute. The system usually tends to pull you to one side or another, depending which lane you are in. I usually drive in the left, so the LKA tends to pull me there. Despite this Characteristic, I find it useful on the highway. You just can let your attention wander because it only assists you, and not fully autonomous.
i drive a 22 civic touring and avg 43 mpg in city
edit: its a cvt as well
The sedan CVT had only 530 miles, this one has 4450.
That’s a nice number. Any idea what real-world city mpg is like?
I'm puzzled why Honda has a turbo 4 banger geared like that. I have a cvt 2.0L Soul that will cruise about 2300 rpm @ 70mph. I'd think they could have geard 6th taller, to help knock down that RPM some. I had a 2016 Golf Wagon with the 1.8L turbo & an automatic. I would routinly average 40mpg with a personal best near 45mpg...
Do you do real-world city and mixed driving reviews?
Not really because those are more difficult to standardize.
What kind of gas grade does it take? 91, 87, or 85?
Awesome video to test highway MPG with the manual vs CVT at 42MPG with 520 miles, that's great gas saver. but I know manual is better MPG than automatic or CVT on road at city/highway. I think they should offer more manual on cars out there because of too many CVT on cars and transmission is not last longer a like manual plus easy to replace the clutch and flywheel.😁👍
Definitely on my short list of cars to buy in about 10 years lol
Ha ha very funny!
The Honda Civic Manuel transmissions are very fuel efficient
What do you think about the civic sport hatch with the 6mt?
I'd love to try it but haven't had a chance
@@DailyMotorI’ve went and set up the ktuner 93 octane base tune on mine, it’s quite nice now. Not a rocketship by any means, but it moves enough and with a port injected k20 I’m not worrying about reliability failing me
Litres/100km would be good. Good video!
really? My honda accord hybrid got 43-44mpg on the highway with 70mph.... can not believe a non hybrid car beat it lol
40+ MPG while cruising on hwy in normal average condition is fantastic however at the EXPENSE of $27k plus extra in debt. Yeesh! To each to owns.
The Civic Sport Touring manual would be the one I would choose over the Civic Si and Integra A-Spec (tech). I don't have a local track, therefore don't need the LSD. The sport/equipment/space ratio is just about perfect. I even think it looks the best out of those 3. The proportions are better than the Integra. At 42mpg, it would be really hard to beat for a daily driver. Incredible car, and what a value in comparison to the top trim Integra.
I understand but geez $30k and more in financial cost? That's a hard swallow for some.
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Myself included, but $6K more for the new Integra with manual is even farther out of my budget.
Impressive
The safest thing about any vehicle is the driver. I don't need all the fancy technology. Just give me a reliable vehicle with stick shift, I can manage the rest.
bro why dont u get a 2.0L the one most people are gunna buy, we have seen enough of the 1.5 on your channel
Yeah, I’d really like to try the 2 liter. Unfortunately Honda doesn’t carry them in the press fleet, and a dealer isn’t gonna let us throw 100 miles on a car :/
Same, I'd really like to see the K20C2 6MT in action. I have this engine and transmission in my 10th Sedan and can also get 42mpg, but only at 60mph cruising. However, if I lower my cruising speed (country highways) I can get 52mpg...which I doubt the 1.5T can simulate since engine speed is getting close to 1000rpm.
God forbid we LISTEN to what many people want...vs trying to cram crappy turbos down everyone's throats.
Did you ever get your hands on a 2.0 manual?
Nope :/
Couldn't get over the lack of lumbar support. I was planning to get this trim.
My moms 2016 toyota camry gets 41mpg on the highway going 60mph my 2002 vw jetta tdi gets 50mpg going 60mph
Looks like an Accord Lite to me
Mike, smaller
Best Civic is the Si, duh. :)
500 miles 😎 EVs wish they could do that.
The Civic is a younger person's car.
It's for all ages.
First!
Honda Automotive is a dead company walking. Honda’s inventory (at least in North America) is down 83 percent. In other words, Honda is running out of cars to sell. Be leery about purchasing anything new from Honda. If it goes under, who’ll honor the warranty?
Lol, Honda isn’t going anywhere…
If Honda is selling every car they can make that’s not bad problem to have
Even if the global parts shortage continues for the next few years, Honda will survive. They are so much more than just a car manufacturer.
They won’t be carrying many new cars on their lots anymore you will have to order them if you want the new new that’s what I was told a couple days ago at the dealership