Lost my club a couple of years ago, not to over regulation but to a few who wanted to be big fish in a small pond. Been flying my property and a neighbors farm property with permission since. I'm now the "old man" at 60, but it doesn't feel so. Our club was destroyed by a couple of real "old men" (in spirit, as well as body - no fun allowed) who didn't fly since I was a member and only wanted control of the club to burn it down. I've seen this time and time again in many organizations. We NEED younger people to take the reigns (by younger I mean people younger than Bruce and myself) to take up our hobby, or it will die. Although I love my quads, I sure would like to fly my flying weedeaters (now dormant) but the only local airfields are AMA mandated fly on tuesday night with a club official observer and don't do anything too untoward. I tend to do something untoward as soon as the engine is warmed up and generally don't do it on a schedule, so we don't see eye to eye on that. Now I just fly my quads in my rural locale, dumped the AMA based on principle, and joined Flitetest CBO, and will gladly send my money to any CBO who supports independent flyers or clubs. It's not about safety, it's about control of our airspace. Sorry for the long spiel, but I'm behind you Bruce, and see safe, sane, civil disobedience as the only practical path forward for those who don't want to fly in circles over certified fields under the scrutiny of official observers. FLY FREE!
Same thing happened with an aero club I had a bit to do with years ago: older, non-flying members tried to destroy it because they had way too much time on their hands and couldn’t pass medicals. Never could fathom their motivation! But it’s almost an NZ tradition.
Believe me it is the same at clubs all over the world. These people seem to forget that they are supposed to serve the public instead they often try to conttol them because they get power hungry. If wr were to all stand up to them what could they do. Bruce, you are being to nice to MFN, they are just like our own BMFA here in the UK, they bent over and took it toughly because they were weak and pathetic and then said thank you can I have another!
Come on Scott, I'm 80 and have to drive for an hour to fly! Have been in two clubs with big egos and watched them slowly die, I know where you come from! Governments do not want bright people they want sheep! You know it!!!
I am an engineering student who as been flying model planes since his childhood. Recently, as our university is so theoretical that those who graduate can barely change a lightbulb, I proposed to start a model aviation club. In order to get a minimum of legal compliance, as I was the only one with an insurance and a certification, we decided that the models would be registered as mine and those flying would always have me aside "taking responsibility". It kinda works for us, but it has been a quite depressing view to watch their faces as they realised that if they ever wanted to fly legally on their own they would have to pay annually the same amount of money they would need for 2 or 3 entire models. Model aviation provides the invaluable advantage of helping people become confident with the knowledge they achieve, because whether a plane flies or falls just depends on the modeller practical and theoretical skills, which is not comparable to any evaluation from outside. Making this option unaffordable does not just mean wiping out a form of recreation, but also a valuable form of learning. Which means actually restraining freedom
@@dogdooish to be fair I don't believe those who proposed these restrictions were smart enough to have done this on purpose. I believe lack of problem solving and critical thinking skills in technicians or engineers wouldn't be a positive outcome even for a dictatorship
You inspire me Bruce. I am considering dropping my part 107 license so I don't have to register EVERY SINGLE plane and quad. I'm so sick of these bureaucrats that don't even under stand what they are regulating. I love this hobby and hate to see it disappear into the sunset. But that seems to be the writing on the wall.
Most of these issues could be avoided with common sense rules, but the bureaucrats simply can't be bothered to do the work to develop them. The bureaucrats don't care about our hobby, and there are companies who feel there is money to be made by drone product delivery. Those companies can't very well built out that business model if we are flying our drones in public air space. So we must be eliminated.
The fact that you think you have to register all your aircraft because you got a part107 shows a huge issue with where the hobby went already. When you fly recreational your 107 is meaningless and your recreationally aircraft do not need to be registered individually. If you don't make someone money with your flying you are not using your part107. I know part107 was sold by a lot of money grabbers as the drone licenses everyone needs but it isn't and never was.
Bureaucrats all over the world do not, and do not want to, fully understand the "rules" and "guidelines" they administrate. They are in for the money and will only understand what is published on paper. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed. This also goes for the "committee" of clubs.
So well said here Bruce. The points you make here are as clear as day. Hoping that MFNZ watches this video to understand how ridiculous their guidelines are
Bruce.. Thank you for your leadership and your effort in this regard - Recently listened to your interview on RC roundtable and your Goodbye wings video.. Being Canadian - we are seeing the results of overregulation very directly. Your insight and guidance are timely and exceedingly accurate.
I fly in the Arizona desert also no one cares were lucky to have so much BLM land. Not so east of the Rocky Mountains all private land and unless your wealthy not really much of a place to fly like out here. The AMA never got their exemptions to go higher then 400 feet in class G do you think they are measuring how high anyone goes at the national events. This is why they don't want RID because if you have it then it will measure how high you are without it who knows what looks like 400 feet no way to really tell.
Fled the AMA a few years ago after confronting them about selling out the hobby and wanting FORCED Memberships and FORCED flying field only flying which appears they GOT for selling out the Hobby and helping end 336 which btw Hanson stated multiple times and when he did his piece in the Hill calling anyone NOT a AMA member were criminals and rogues that said it all Re read all their magazines editorials you will see many ( for the past 15-20 years )hints about doing that and demanding that which they still deny even tho EVERYONE can Now clearly see that is what THEY DONE
@@Mike-01234 I suggest you read what the AMA has stated they said THEY Advocated for RID for years and they helped make RID a reality ( they wanted exemption in their PAID clubs They also demanded FORCED membership and FORCED club field flying ONLY for everyone and everything. and even ti use that membership number for registration something else they help push. They sold the HOBBY out for Dollar$ and worse so many AMA members refuse t open their eyes to that FACT This was helped by the AMA instead if standing up for ALL hobbyists and fighting to retain 336 they pushed and lobbied to have it REMOVED Almost every editorial they hinted about all this for nearly 20 years and when confronted they denied it and yet they missed and skipped meetings in DC and never spoke up and even skirted meetings with Congressional members who could have helped the hobby , some of that btw was shown in YT where they skipped those meetings even tho they claimed they were there and they finally admitted "well we did not have to be in those meetings" That was a LIE like almost everything those Muncie scumbags say !! They stopped representing the Hobbyists and the HOBBY now for years and it is all about them and their dollar$
@@FlyingBuzzard AMA was no match for companies like Google, and Amazon. 336 was possible because back then those companies were not involved. I wrote to the AMA told them they need to make a list of congress, and senators rate them if they support the hobbyist who to vote for. That is the only way to get something done is with the vote. This is how the NRA has gotten their way. Their response was they could not legally do that because they were a nonprofit organization were not allowed to get involved in politics. The NRA has a separate wing for that sort of thing. I was shocked to hear that the AMA had no clue how to do business in DC. The only way to resolve anything at this point is change the law the FAA is a regulatory body who will always add more not remove regulations. For now everyone is going to continue flying.
I have had my now 4 year old daughter flying my drone for over a year now. She has her own drone. I don't let her fly without me right next to her yet and I am going to get her in googles and start flying FPV as soon as I feel she is ready and can do it safely. Not when the FAA feels she is ready based on her age.
Bruce, a man of principle such as yourself resonates very deeply with me. I applaud you sir. The world would be a much better place if more people were like you.
You're a genius Bruce, thanks for always exposing the idiocy being pushed upon us by unnecessary regulations by entities who don't have a whip of common sense.
@Mike- it's not idiocy. It's a well-coordinated, tried and true approach to controlling and limiting others for its own sake. Their purpose is not "safety," they are not trying to help you. They know you are willing to sacrifice for your passion and they are taking advantage of that for cash and a narcissistic feeling of superiority - because that is THEIR passion. See? This is what bureaucratic busy-bodies do, and they ESPECIALLY love it when you complain and comply anyway. It gives them a little dopamine hit from getting on over on you. Don't let them.
@@Discopuss I'm a bureaucratic busy-body? :D Common... Reality is we do this, or nothing. We cant rant and rave on youtube and acheive nothing, or we can operate to our CAA approved rules. The BVLOS rule applies up to 15kg aircraft, for sure we could write a new variance into our 102 for sub 100g or something, but we didn't, as reality is its only Bruce who has an issue with it. I'm happy to add it next amendment, but, in the meantime... Im pretty happy we got what we did. I dont want Bruce to quit at all, its his prerogative, but he is quite adamant he wants to fall on that sword of his (FWIW, I was the guy who fought for Bruce, and went and redid his Wings umpteen years ago).... Chris, MFNZ President.
@@jackosmeister We shall hurry up and wait, for the "...... a new variance into our 102 for sub 100g or something,......." so Bruce can re-join the club. Then when I retire, get licensed, have spare money, then I can do the same as Bruce in my back yard. I think he's worth the effort. A man of principle and all. An international cricket ball has to be between 155.9 grams and 163 grams, so a sub 150 gram quadcopter is a good starting point? Batter up!
"Regulations by Entities" Doesn't matter that i'm in US, *Entities do NOT Make Laws to ConTroll the people.* *The common law is the real law, the Supreme Law of the land,* the Code, Rules, Regulations, Policy and Statutes, are *“NOT the law".* _Self v. Rhay, 61 Wn (2nd) 261._ Are 'Regulators Attorneys, member of the BAR? Their NOT [S]'Elected' and most likely any Overreach does NOT Include Stitutics, Facts, History of Evidence or Logic. *WHO* would be Acquiring *Personal Gain* from all this ConTroll? Makes One believe Investigation is needed.
Exactly. The whole world is currently being held hostage under tyranny and severe over regulation. And you can’t comply your way out of it. But you can in fact not comply and just enjoy living life as you see fit to your enjoyment
@@paulr3556 well not exactly. War is hell, and no one sane would want that, but as long as everyone outs on the same page, you can in fact non comply your way out of tyranny and change the political culture. But yes, shooting comes next if that is ignored by our politicians
Hi Bruce, Welcome to the Hobbyist club. I have no registered, but I still fly with rules. Thanks for the video, and I hope for the best. Say hi to Ron, and I hope he gets better.
"Flying outside of the documented and approved procedures jeopardises the organisation and its members continued ability to exercise these privileges." seems they are doing that all on their own.
sorry to hear this Bruce, i gave up flying multi rotor here in the UK some time ago due to the over bloated rules and regs, but there are Model flying clubs in the UK that dont allow multi rotor flying at all (FPV or LOS) but do allow FPV fixed wing, go figure. i think the whole world is loosing its grip on reality!
I really hate to see you give up your wings, its sad to see our hobby being destroyed. Been flying model airplanes for 40 years and multirotors for roughly 7 . They are really trying to pound that wedge deeper.
I agree. I have flown fixed wing for years and started building multi when all that started, and Bruce has been a part of it all. Bruce is the guy I would want to learn to fly with, and or folks like him. Be safe and never give up!
Hi Bruce, i was digging around some of my old work gear and found a couple orange traffic cones! I can send then over!! Cheers My friend! When is all this craziness going to stop? Your points are so very well presented. Thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Good for you Bruce 👍 I like the "Mr Safety" slant. Your obviously on the logical and moral high ground. I just hope people outside of your audience can see this also. Legendary!
It has gotten CRAZY over here in the states as well. I explore abandoned mines in very remote areas of the desert southwest. Places that won't see a single human being for months at a time. Yet if I want to post a drone video on RUclips of my adventures, I must obtain a commercial drone pilot license. EVEN WORSE, we must obtain a commercial video permit to shoot RUclips video in National Parks or National Recreation Areas. Yep, even a single person using their cell phone. This rule is not even about safety! It's about money and control. We officially live in George Orwell's 1984. "You must COMPLY". Intelligence has its limits, but stupidity knows no bounds!
If you watch the geopolitical situation and macroeconomics, you would notice it’s not only the RC world that’s at some kind of dystopian crisis point. Thanks for being stoic Bruce.
The concern I have is a small club may not be able to come up with the money to pay for the insurance that maac provides. Without it, we could lose our flying site. I do however like what you're doing, and I agree with what your saying! 👍
I never signed up for a local club or any membership, always felt those were there to add annoying rules, and control what we did. Never gave them a dime and I'm happy I did. I'm also pretty sure you can go and catch those guys not respecting their own rules.
taking one for the team. i also wont be getting my membership again either. they want way too much money for the little amount of control they even have left in Canada. its sad to see, but its never gonna stop me from flying some toys around.
The biggest risk with your mobula is the local tomcat grabbing and running away lol. I agree whole heartedly with your efforts to reduce regulations. Kids need to get into the hobby and fly. Its great fun and its a way to get your mind off outside worries.
This is ridiculous, I have resigned myself to flying non compliant when I use fpv as I cant expect to find a spotter every time. I only do this in remote areas and follow all other safety procedures, the risk of injury is negligible (as is the risk of getting caught). But it puts me in the position of breaking rules when that is not my intent.
Cheers Bruce. With you all the way. I'm on a 10 acre lifestyle. ( South Island )I use Mobula 7. Dji Avata. Dji FPV. NOBODY I mean NOBODY will every stop me. CAA can just piss off. I stay low. Just fly thru the paddocks and around the trees from my deck. I'm also a club member and obey at our local flying field etc. CAA is out to destroy the hobby. Yet they will allow commercial drones to operate ?. Go figure ( it's just overboard over regulating ). Anyway well said Bruce. You Rock
I got 5 acers in rural tokoroa I use My gep rc mark 5 with digital dji goggles every day never ever had drama I fly in a shielded operating system and there is no need for a spotter the regulations need changing for such situations I can hear a helicopter or plane miles before.
Sorry Bruce for what there forcing you to do, I feel the same here in the US with all there crazy regulations there Implementing, I'm just going out & hide & fly my drone so nobody sees me, it's really so very sad what there doing to our hobby everywhere, I feel your pain my friend.🕹🚁👍
Bruce, you are a legend and doing gods work. No one in our hobby with as much exposure as you have on YT lives by your own principles and speaks of out against over regulation. I hope the youngsters who watch your channel get the message. And I wish other prominent pilots would be as honest but I guess they seemingly comply to keep their livelihood intact moving forward whether it's YT or a related business. I wasn't even willing to take the free online uav license exam in the US of A, which would provide me with a pilot's card that should be carried at all times. I see it more as a paper trail and evidence to be used against me if they later decide to make me a sacrificial lamb. I live in a rural area and have not and never will be a danger to public safety and all the new regs are just a money and power grab. They can regulate hypothetical dangers all they want but I regulate myself with a 100% safety record. Our economy is doing a better job of killing our hobby than fear mongering regs anyway. God bless!
This is a perfect example of how out of touch these bureaucrats are with what's actually going on with the majority of our models. Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there to make these more than valid points about just how ridiculous these blanket of rules that have been applied to all UAVs. Huge overburden here and this will lead to way more non compliance.
Our problem is that we see our bureaucrats as out of touch. As soon as we start seeing them as obstructionists instead, we will better understand their purpose.
You say do not blame these Model organizations / CBO's , but IT IS their fault because they refuse to stand up against the regulators and to demand sensible rules and regs that actually benefit the hobby and have a voice in that rule making OR they can not and will not comply. The AMA in the US is a prime example of what those organizations do. they want membership dollars and Government backing at the expense of the Hobby they are suppose to represent, That was NOT always the case but in the last 15-20 years that has been the absolute demand as their "aeroclub" model has been in decline. SO with the AMA's backing to help end 336 the agreement was to get forced membership and forced flying field only flying and they got it and they WILL be the FRIA's here in the US as they slow walk and deny most everything else , as the FTCA and the FPVFC are now seeing. Freedom of flight is a RIGHT it is not a privilege . I get angry when I hear those words spoken because people seem to think" they give us a privilege to enjoy our Hobby when it is indeed a absolute right . RIGHTS are societal norms in the form of freedoms that are available to people by virtue of being citizens of a country or as members of a society. Rights are considered as fundamental and inalienable. All citizens of a country are granted certain rights under their laws and the constitution in the US . In fact, it would be wrong to say that rights are granted as they are there to be taken or claimed by people and said to be fundamental in nature. ON THE OTHER HAND a PRIVILEGE is a special benefit or permission granted to an individual or a group based upon status, class, rank, title, or special talent. Thus, privilege is a special right not available to all members of the society but is rather restricted to a chosen few in the society. While some members of the society enjoy this right, others are excluded or denied these rights. SO that is why the CBO concept ( in any venue ) is a system set up for gain even tho it is classified a Non Profit, PROFITS are what they are about . The CBO demand in the RC Aviation hobby is a step backwards NOT a step forward . Technology has basically made the CBO/aeromodel clubs obsolete outside of ones choice and or special events etc and WHY those like the AMA scrambled in DC to get their status to FORCED membership,and FORCED flying field flying only. The FTCA wants that to be a choice BUT also have said one can not request a FRIA unless a PAID Member, that speaks for itself, But they learned the FAA is not going to make everything a CBO wants to be a FRIA and those already established places will get precedent and even many of them excluded in the process and that has already occurred and those places can Thank the AMA for that happening . So Bruce your own Nz Model Organization is no different. And btw here in the US the Federal Government CAN NOT Force a CBO membership and they know it ( and said so ) and NEITHER can the FAA force ANYONE to follow a set of "suggested guides" by one in order to fly toys. Even the US code says EVERY CITIZEN has a RIGHT to transit in the US navigable airspace which btw NONE of us FLY RC in, for we do not fly in defined "navigable airspace" where btw the FAA has regulatory authority, we FLY outside "defined navigable airspace" where the FAA has NO regulatory authority ( yet ) [ and NO Congress has NT allocated the FAA's authority "outside that define navigable airspace" SO there are many avenues to skirt the current illegal rules (because we have NO choice) they have made and many avenues through the court system from registration ( already ruled illegal and unconstitutional ) to even the RID rule based on that same Constitution BUT also on actual already adjudicated cases that shows it is in violation of the 1st-4th Amendments and BOTH state and Federal privacy laws and the gathering of information that even two past US Presidents were found in violation of SO when two Presidents were ruled illegal and Unconstitutional how then is the FAA allowed to do the same ? Where are the lawyers whose hobby is also being destroyed ? They appear to set and go along for $$ instead of willingness to stand up and tell the FAA/Fed to go pound sand to save the Hobby WE just CAN NOT get the RC Aviation community together to address what needs addressed and what should have been done years ago, but now are demanding it be done in one small area now.( raise the limit , we tried so hard t get them to address years ago ) When will people simply stand up and say NO, and regardless of who you are, be it an educator , manned aviator ,whatever,[ they claim some have to comply is an excuse NOT a fact ] as it stands and is written YOU Already Violate every rule the FAA has created for the recreational Hobby EVERY TIME you leave the ground and as it stands regardless where you fly and under what CBO or what aircraft etc YOU VIOLATE the FAA rules governing 44809..PERIOD !!! The RC Aviation Hobby has it's safety rules and has Governed itself for nearly 100 years with an almost spotless safety record, a FACT no other aviation related community can claim and yet now is being attacked and spoke down to like it has the worst safety record. And that goes back to those Commercial Dollars which are in the Billion$ and that is all the Politicians and regulators $ee.....and that is WHY all of this is happening and NOT for Homeland security or terrorism threat or any safety issue etc ( whih btw the DHS said they had NO Authority over domestic drone use in the US )...it was and still is all about those mighty Dollar$ being flashed in their eyes and they LIE to cover that up !!!
For a number of years, a good dozen of us or more had used some local soccer fields to fly on. This gave us a nice open space, largely groomed grass to take off and land on and life was good. We flew during weekdays when the fields were not in use. Then, two years ago, a local large soccer operation struck a deal with the county for sole use of the fields. When questioned as to who we could address on our behalf, each side pointed at the other. We effectively had the door slammed on us even though we left no footprint behind when we were done flying. Living close to the big city put us close to a number of airfields and airports so, available flying areas are sparse. One option is to join the AMA, take a competency test, join a flying club, pay their membership, be supervised, and following their rules. I did all of that but the flying area we had was at a lesser used airfield, with tall grasses, trees around the perimeter, and no flying on or over the airstrip unless supervised by a club principal with radio tuned for local aircraft. Added to that was any electrics over 1 lb. had to fly at the strip, lighter electrics could fly further on down, over the tall grass. Just didn't cut it for me. It didn't suit my style of flying and limited the effective room to fly as being only what was straight out in front of me. Great for acrobatic/3D flying I suppose but I don't fly those types of planes. Add to that the increased pressure put on everyone by the FAA and the hobby has ceased being much of a hobby. Leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I'm still deciding what I'll do. I can still fly locally at a school's sports fields but in September I'm looking at having to rig a transmitter to many of my planes just to be compliant. If the school yanks privileges that will be it for me, I will probably have to sell my hobby away and look for something else to do while being retired.
I would have done the same Bruce, its BS and we know it, Like anything uploaded to social media there is going to be someone who will get satisfaction by complaining. If the club had not had the complaint they would not have known or needed to action it. I think we all know that 20g on your own property or anywhere else wouldn't hurt anything, different to a 15kg drone. Just remember I like many others are behind you on this 🙂👍
Good video Bruce. 😊 I’m taking a leaf out of your book and I’ll resist the temptation to register with any organisation. Fly safe and resist the over-regulation.
I back you fully and agree with your comments. This is exactly why I never have and never will join some club or organization with their biased rules. (they can stick it "***************************".
Damn sad times in New Zealand and here in Canada. It is a beautiful thing what you are doing by standing up and being heard. I hope many of our hobbyists join in with deregulation! Cheers
The difference between your situation and here in canada is that we lost our exemption because some maac zone directors approved flying sites in controlled airspace in direct contravention of the agreement maac had with transport canada. Yes I agree we should never have needed an exemption in the first place but we did so for me personally it was either comply or quit the hobby. In your case I don't see where MFNZ has any jurisdiction when you are not flying at a MFNZ approved site.
WE have NO Choice because we break their petty rules every time we leave the ground regardless of what we fly or where we fly and can not get people to take note of that fact NONCOMPLIANCE IS the Only way they left us No Choice
It’s a sad day but our hobby is been over regulated to death & as you said it’s intentional to make way for large private companies to move in! I applaud your stance & as I’ve already said previously I’m not renewing my operator ID in the UK the only way we can make a stand is by now giving them their tax money!
Good intentions, but MFNZ appears to be pandering to this overreach by regulatory agencies in an area which has been safely unregulated for many years. To use the word ‘privileges’ implies that these are only bestowed at other’s pleasure, and can easily be revoked. I’m sure there are many club types with too much time on their hands only too willing to take up the mantle of enforcers and enable this overreach, some with the best of intentions. For a parallel but relevant example one only has to look at the excesses perpetrated by homeowners associations everywhere they take root. These often become vehicles for personal crusades and depart from their original purpose, which is to protect homeowners. The BVLOS compliance looks particularly Orwellian.
Thanks for all your hard work! it’s absolutely crazy the rules and regulations over model flying I started out with model aircraft like everyone else way back when nitro was the go to for flying all a guy needed then was a AMA card and all that was was insurance other then that folks were allowed do do damn near what ever they wanted common sense was obviously a given as well
Great video!! That's what I have done too in that situation. When someone comes over my fence even when I am not flying my whoop they have the risk to get hurt
Thank you Bruce. I appreciate your resolve. Ironically, I'm an advanced drone pilot herein Canada that just joined MAAC a few weeks ago to learn about traditional RC,and now the whole RC landscape in Canada has shattered. I can fly, but guys with 50 years of safe flying experience cannot. These are strange times indeed.
I thought you were going to say they were not happy with you taking off in your ute at the start..tiss a same you have had that email...ill still watch wot ever you upload as i like your stuff. i was lookijng forward coming to the air feild at some stage as well...as was gona make a special trip in my ebike camper im building....guess i can still call in and visit ...i hope
Sounds like you need a sign like the ancient Romans "Cave canem" or "Beware of the Dog!" - mainly so people didn't step upon small, delicate and cute dogs .
Problem is with part of the rules* that require a spotter or security guarding the low fence is you wouldn't be able to fly as you're not aloud to fly 30m* within other people
👍 Stick to your own morals & values. I’ll be 70 in a few weeks, I never thought I would see our countries go down this road. Everything that the governments have any interaction with is going down the tubes. It’s hard to comprehend how such a small number of extremists in government & big corporations can really change the world and our daily lives, like they are doing now.
They dont change the world, its all the people that follow and listen to them and enforce their unjust edicts. Just like the nazis, 'they were just following orders'. Order takers and enforcers dont use their brains.
Thanks bruce for spreading common sense. I'm Canadian (Vancouver). I own 4 DJI drones and a dozen or more winged models. Haven't flown a single one of them in about 5 years. I live between YVR and CZBB airports. Can't find a club who will take new members. Can't fly anywhere near my home legally. I just had to hang my radios up and enjoy my old memories of the hobby. My wife says, just get rid of those "things". Breaks my heart!
Thanks. Most of the feedback I've been getting from Canad and elsewhere has been positive but I had to laugh when reading on the RCCanada forums that there are still those with their heads in the sand or, for some reason, think that taking a stand (at least in my case) is a bad thing. Of my video they said: 4*60: _"I am always amazed at his ability to tell a 2 minute story in 20 times that time. "_ MikeFerguson: _"Loves to listen to himself. "_ I note that 4*60 has a glider as his avatar -- what's he going to do now with the 400ft AGL limit in place? Such a shame that, even as the noose tightens around their necks, some of the old guard will swear _"everything's fine, don't worry, we'll be okay"_ and refuse to do anything to help whilst criticising the few who do get off their fat backsides to try and prompt reform of this outrageous over-regulation.
That's why I limit all my radio control flight indoors rather than outdoors. Infact I have limited all my radio control operation to cars and trucks on the ground
lol, in canada i cant shoot targets with a pellet gun in my back yard because a power/gas meter reader person may walk in at any time. But I can throw knives.
Thanks for having the balls and be the one to stop accepting the "don't ask don't tell" kind of situation that a lot of FPVers and clubs around the world seem to be in, Bruce!
Compliance...pff...I have no doubt that before June 1, 2019, when Canada instituted RPAS (Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems) regulation, and even afterwards because most non-aviation minded people buying them, nor those selling them had any clue they were being regulated, that there was likely tens of thousands of actual drones, mainly consumer grade DJI Phantoms, etc., that were sold. As of now, only approx. 5000 Advanced RPAS licenses have been issued, (those actually using these things professionally), and only about 13,000 Basic RPAS licenses for recreational flyers have been issued. I'll guarantee all the other "drone" flyers haven't grounded their aircraft, probably aren't even aware. Yet these new regs are likely going to destroy our hobby of flying R/C model aircraft. Smh. My MAAC Zone Director who looks after MAAC's Western Canada clubs has told me he's lost over twenty clubs already due to the Transport Canada exemption being dropped. MAAC, for those not in the know, is much like Model Flying New Zealand. Our club in the small community of Creston, BC, Canada is lucky to see 6 to 10 members in a year, (not joining per year, but total). How many here will we have drop out because they have to get a stupid Drone flying license now for their foamy airplanes?! Sadly, we need at least 6 members to have the club financially viable to stay open. We'll see how this goes. We're going to have a meeting later this month, so it should be interesting!
I would rather get smacked with your little drone than get whacked by a hard ball in a baseball game ! All the stuff we did as kids that were so many levels potentially more hazardous than that little drone . Riding a bicycle on the street - oh my gosh ! My friends and I were lucky we grew up in a time when we could do whatever we wanted to do in the park - shoot model rockets, fly planes, run around like wild kids and have fun .
Thank you Bruce that, you still take effort to fight against stupidness. Should stand up and not just accept all stupid new regulations without thinking those rules/laws make sense or not.. I can imagine in the close future I have to fill an online form before I drive my car to the corner shop?! 🙃
That a boy Bruce Give them the Boot and fire up that Drone and get flying and have fun.. Just try not to murder no one with your Receiver in your hand. lol Thanks for the Vid friend.
🇨🇦 here, I fly with common sense… I will never comply with TC. I will be fly soon as spring comes in a few weeks in the middle of Canada… TC come find me.
Bureaucracy does not care it the rules are working or not and how they affect real world situation. In many cases it's a self-sustaining process of spewing out more papers with more prohibitions. It doesn't care if people follow rules or not or if they break rules in secret or publicly. It does not rely on numerical evidence as well. But the rule making process time to time "interacts" with what pops up in mass-media (yet it is hard to tell what came first: the rulemakers trying to justify new regulations with supporting articles or some Karens posting BS about model aviation provokes rulemakers). Long story short - making noise on the web is likely the best way to fight overregulation. It just needs better spread. Keep it up, Bruce!
So pilots are required to fly 1000 feet over my house. Helicopters can go down to 500 feet. So how is someone flying below roof level and clear of people a problem? Laws written by people who have no knowledge of the subject matter give us messes like this.
Heli's can go below 500 ft and do often and one exception in the " Define navigable airspace" which btw the FAA regulates NOT outside that "defined space "
I applaud you, sir! Without principles what are we? One can not just stand by and try to comply with all these regulations. To do so is to surrender to fascism. Perfect example, when you filmed the town meeting! You just can’t give in even once!
I don't even know what to say.. unbelievable the guy who taught me what a PID loop is could have to give up his "wings" over such a harmless video. Very sorry to hear that, but thank you for your principles Bruce.
We can probably expect AMA to do the same in the US. Sad day when you no longer fly the field w your buddies. I do appreciate your gesture for the hobby, and the rec modell builder that is being pressured out of participation in Stem activities because on non agffiliation w a club that has cince become a long arm of the law, that can coerce paid membership legally by threatening non compliance.
I admire your principles Bruce. Yes regulation has become crazy which is why I have completely stopped flying and I have taken up CNC and 3D printing instead.
This reminds me of a law that was made when the automobile came to prominence and drivers were required to stop at every intersection and set off a firework to warn any nearby horses. True internet fact. At some point somebody had to call it stupid.
Don't know about fireworks, but there was the 'walk in front with a red flag' rule. The really big difference though was that in those days, motoring was only for the rich and powerful. Therefore, it was quite easy for those people to lobby to have that changed, because they had a lot of influence with the powers that be - they probably were the powers that be to a large extent. We aren't like that, we have no clout at all.
We're still going through the motions here in Hokitika with the airfield management. There is no ruling from CAA on what constitutes an 'Active runway'. There is an 'Agreement' between CAA and Airways that says any unused runway can become active, and therefor is always active. Of course, this has no more legal weight than an 'Agreement' that can be made between us model flyers and the airport management. Sigh..... I'd rather spend my time flying than banging my head against the miss informed/ignorant management. Keep the chin up Bruce, I'm right behind your efforts 👍
@@xjet We cant make definitions in our 102 that effect other CARs, I could try... but I doubt it. Its hard enough to get most uncontrolled aerodromes to understand the CARs at the moment....
@@Bristoll170 Yep. The traditional hobby is now flying much safer, more reliable models than was the case 20 years ago -- but we're regulated far more than we ever more and nobody (not even MFNZ) is prepared to demand recognition that *our* drones are not the ones causing the issues therefore should not be treated as such. Someone has to keep highlighting the inequity and disproportionality of the current regulations until those responsible start listening. MFNZ can't do that because that would jeopardise the privileges of those who can't reasonably fly under the provisions of part 101 (weight, altitude requirements etc). When MoT try to bring in registration later this year will be the time for *all* those NZ modelers who really care for the hobby and the opportunities for our kids and grandkids to enjoy it, to take a stand. Will they? I doubt it. My money is on MFNZ seeking further "privilege" by way of having their members exempt from the registration requirements -- as has been the case in other countries. Those with true principles do not have a price for which they can be bought.
Bruce, Lover ALL your videos,... if anyone has ever thought who watches your videos... Well, now you know. Talk about "arm chair quarterbacks"! I really feel that every model air crafter flyer needs to start our own legislation and make sure that every pilot (of real planes) should know exactly how to install a Flight Controller on a quad. How to make a flight controller work.. Then know every aspect of model aircraft.. LIPO batteries, the safety involved, every tear and how any UART works. How to operate betaflight, and then setup any controller to operate ANY type of model air craft. The bureaucrats want to regulate... let's give them something to regulate. If we (model air craft flyers) have to know all about weather and CRAP that a real aircraft pilot must know, then I feel it's only just that every 'real' pilot know anything and everything out our "hobby"!!!! Let's get serious, that will never happen because all the bureaucrats want is to push us out of existence so they wont have to listen to the tree huggers complain that they don't want to have pictures of them in their back yard.. Seriously!!! Sorry to hear what going on with you Bruce, but stay strong. We will stand together, and who knows... maybe when enough flyers or people see the crap going on, they'll all get together and vote those dumb......... out of office!!
Ahem... I have "a few simple measures" I require of those who'd tell me what to do on my own property. How about I take a look at theirs AFTER they satisfy mine? Pffft!
Around the world, with how many small quadrotors, Coaxial, bicopters and even wing style models are sold in toy and entertainment product stores in shopping malls, the clubs are going to be in the minority of the flying community, and the only ones complying with the further draconian regulations. There is no way to stop the flood of non-club member folk flying small recreational camera drones - activities such as putting a small drone up and getting a nice photo or video of your holiday campsite, that nice beach you visited, of getting one of the kids to film while you drive your 4WD up a trail to the camp site. These are not dangerous activities, and all these rules and regulations could be tossed out by getting a commitment from the drone manufacturers to update the control software to limit the distance from the controller, and limit the maximum height capable.
Lost my club a couple of years ago, not to over regulation but to a few who wanted to be big fish in a small pond. Been flying my property and a neighbors farm property with permission since. I'm now the "old man" at 60, but it doesn't feel so. Our club was destroyed by a couple of real "old men" (in spirit, as well as body - no fun allowed) who didn't fly since I was a member and only wanted control of the club to burn it down. I've seen this time and time again in many organizations. We NEED younger people to take the reigns (by younger I mean people younger than Bruce and myself) to take up our hobby, or it will die. Although I love my quads, I sure would like to fly my flying weedeaters (now dormant) but the only local airfields are AMA mandated fly on tuesday night with a club official observer and don't do anything too untoward. I tend to do something untoward as soon as the engine is warmed up and generally don't do it on a schedule, so we don't see eye to eye on that. Now I just fly my quads in my rural locale, dumped the AMA based on principle, and joined Flitetest CBO, and will gladly send my money to any CBO who supports independent flyers or clubs.
It's not about safety, it's about control of our airspace.
Sorry for the long spiel, but I'm behind you Bruce, and see safe, sane, civil disobedience as the only practical path forward for those who don't want to fly in circles over certified fields under the scrutiny of official observers. FLY FREE!
Same thing happened with an aero club I had a bit to do with years ago: older, non-flying members tried to destroy it because they had way too much time on their hands and couldn’t pass medicals. Never could fathom their motivation! But it’s almost an NZ tradition.
Believe me it is the same at clubs all over the world. These people seem to forget that they are supposed to serve the public instead they often try to conttol them because they get power hungry. If wr were to all stand up to them what could they do. Bruce, you are being to nice to MFN, they are just like our own BMFA here in the UK, they bent over and took it toughly because they were weak and pathetic and then said thank you can I have another!
Come on Scott, I'm 80 and have to drive for an hour to fly! Have been in two clubs with big egos and watched them slowly die, I know where you come from!
Governments do not want bright people they want sheep! You know it!!!
you 60 my son lol I am 81 yes its control they are power mad you enjoy some thing we will ban it license it control it for £££$$$£££$$$
Amen!
What an absolute joke these rules and regulations are! They can stick their 'formal warning'... More people need to stand up to this absurd nonsense.
I am an engineering student who as been flying model planes since his childhood. Recently, as our university is so theoretical that those who graduate can barely change a lightbulb, I proposed to start a model aviation club.
In order to get a minimum of legal compliance, as I was the only one with an insurance and a certification, we decided that the models would be registered as mine and those flying would always have me aside "taking responsibility".
It kinda works for us, but it has been a quite depressing view to watch their faces as they realised that if they ever wanted to fly legally on their own they would have to pay annually the same amount of money they would need for 2 or 3 entire models.
Model aviation provides the invaluable advantage of helping people become confident with the knowledge they achieve, because whether a plane flies or falls just depends on the modeller practical and theoretical skills, which is not comparable to any evaluation from outside.
Making this option unaffordable does not just mean wiping out a form of recreation, but also a valuable form of learning. Which means actually restraining freedom
Governments do not want bright people they want sheep! You know it!!!
@@dogdooish to be fair I don't believe those who proposed these restrictions were smart enough to have done this on purpose. I believe lack of problem solving and critical thinking skills in technicians or engineers wouldn't be a positive outcome even for a dictatorship
You inspire me Bruce. I am considering dropping my part 107 license so I don't have to register EVERY SINGLE plane and quad. I'm so sick of these bureaucrats that don't even under stand what they are regulating. I love this hobby and hate to see it disappear into the sunset. But that seems to be the writing on the wall.
Most of these issues could be avoided with common sense rules, but the bureaucrats simply can't be bothered to do the work to develop them. The bureaucrats don't care about our hobby, and there are companies who feel there is money to be made by drone product delivery. Those companies can't very well built out that business model if we are flying our drones in public air space. So we must be eliminated.
The fact that you think you have to register all your aircraft because you got a part107 shows a huge issue with where the hobby went already.
When you fly recreational your 107 is meaningless and your recreationally aircraft do not need to be registered individually. If you don't make someone money with your flying you are not using your part107. I know part107 was sold by a lot of money grabbers as the drone licenses everyone needs but it isn't and never was.
It’s a hobby the gov wants to eliminate. Everything is just smoke and mirrors.
Bureaucrats all over the world do not, and do not want to, fully understand the "rules" and "guidelines" they administrate. They are in for the money and will only understand what is published on paper. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed. This also goes for the "committee" of clubs.
So well said here Bruce. The points you make here are as clear as day. Hoping that MFNZ watches this video to understand how ridiculous their guidelines are
I am sure they will be watching but with this video (unlike the non compliance one) the response will no doubt be crickets....!!!
Bruce.. Thank you for your leadership and your effort in this regard - Recently listened to your interview on RC roundtable and your Goodbye wings video.. Being Canadian - we are seeing the results of overregulation very directly. Your insight and guidance are timely and exceedingly accurate.
I am contemplating doing the same to the AMA in Arizona. We have lots of open desert, just have to watch out for snakes, both animal and human.
I fly in the Arizona desert also no one cares were lucky to have so much BLM land. Not so east of the Rocky Mountains all private land and unless your wealthy not really much of a place to fly like out here. The AMA never got their exemptions to go higher then 400 feet in class G do you think they are measuring how high anyone goes at the national events. This is why they don't want RID because if you have it then it will measure how high you are without it who knows what looks like 400 feet no way to really tell.
Fled the AMA a few years ago after confronting them about selling out the hobby and wanting FORCED Memberships and FORCED flying field only flying which appears they GOT for selling out the Hobby and helping end 336 which btw Hanson stated multiple times and when he did his piece in the Hill calling anyone NOT a AMA member were criminals and rogues that said it all
Re read all their magazines editorials you will see many ( for the past 15-20 years )hints about doing that and demanding that which they still deny even tho EVERYONE can Now clearly see that is what THEY DONE
@@Mike-01234 I suggest you read what the AMA has stated they said THEY Advocated for RID for years and they helped make RID a reality ( they wanted exemption in their PAID clubs
They also demanded FORCED membership and FORCED club field flying ONLY for everyone and everything. and even ti use that membership number for registration something else they help push. They sold the HOBBY out for Dollar$ and worse so many AMA members refuse t open their eyes to that FACT
This was helped by the AMA instead if standing up for ALL hobbyists and fighting to retain 336 they pushed and lobbied to have it REMOVED
Almost every editorial they hinted about all this for nearly 20 years and when confronted they denied it and yet they missed and skipped meetings in DC and never spoke up and even skirted meetings with Congressional members who could have helped the hobby , some of that btw was shown in YT where they skipped those meetings even tho they claimed they were there and they finally admitted "well we did not have to be in those meetings" That was a LIE like almost everything those Muncie scumbags say !!
They stopped representing the Hobbyists and the HOBBY now for years and it is all about them and their dollar$
The AMA folded like a cheap suit,,,, to bad you cant get your dues back, what a useless organization.... Beaurocrats...
@@FlyingBuzzard AMA was no match for companies like Google, and Amazon. 336 was possible because back then those companies were not involved. I wrote to the AMA told them they need to make a list of congress, and senators rate them if they support the hobbyist who to vote for. That is the only way to get something done is with the vote. This is how the NRA has gotten their way. Their response was they could not legally do that because they were a nonprofit organization were not allowed to get involved in politics. The NRA has a separate wing for that sort of thing. I was shocked to hear that the AMA had no clue how to do business in DC. The only way to resolve anything at this point is change the law the FAA is a regulatory body who will always add more not remove regulations. For now everyone is going to continue flying.
I have had my now 4 year old daughter flying my drone for over a year now. She has her own drone. I don't let her fly without me right next to her yet and I am going to get her in googles and start flying FPV as soon as I feel she is ready and can do it safely. Not when the FAA feels she is ready based on her age.
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Bruce, a man of principle such as yourself resonates very deeply with me. I applaud you sir. The world would be a much better place if more people were like you.
You're a genius Bruce, thanks for always exposing the idiocy being pushed upon us by unnecessary regulations by entities who don't have a whip of common sense.
@Mike- it's not idiocy. It's a well-coordinated, tried and true approach to controlling and limiting others for its own sake. Their purpose is not "safety," they are not trying to help you. They know you are willing to sacrifice for your passion and they are taking advantage of that for cash and a narcissistic feeling of superiority - because that is THEIR passion. See?
This is what bureaucratic busy-bodies do, and they ESPECIALLY love it when you complain and comply anyway. It gives them a little dopamine hit from getting on over on you.
Don't let them.
@@Discopuss I'm a bureaucratic busy-body? :D Common... Reality is we do this, or nothing. We cant rant and rave on youtube and acheive nothing, or we can operate to our CAA approved rules. The BVLOS rule applies up to 15kg aircraft, for sure we could write a new variance into our 102 for sub 100g or something, but we didn't, as reality is its only Bruce who has an issue with it. I'm happy to add it next amendment, but, in the meantime... Im pretty happy we got what we did. I dont want Bruce to quit at all, its his prerogative, but he is quite adamant he wants to fall on that sword of his (FWIW, I was the guy who fought for Bruce, and went and redid his Wings umpteen years ago).... Chris, MFNZ President.
@@jackosmeister You just said:
"reality is we do this or nothing."
@@jackosmeister We shall hurry up and wait, for the "...... a new variance into our 102 for sub 100g or something,......." so Bruce can re-join the club.
Then when I retire, get licensed, have spare money, then I can do the same as Bruce in my back yard. I think he's worth the effort. A man of principle and all.
An international cricket ball has to be between 155.9 grams and 163 grams, so a sub 150 gram quadcopter is a good starting point? Batter up!
"Regulations by Entities" Doesn't matter that i'm in US, *Entities do NOT Make Laws to ConTroll the people.*
*The common law is the real law, the Supreme Law of the land,*
the Code, Rules, Regulations, Policy and Statutes, are *“NOT the law".* _Self v. Rhay, 61 Wn (2nd) 261._
Are 'Regulators Attorneys, member of the BAR?
Their NOT [S]'Elected' and most likely any Overreach does NOT Include Stitutics, Facts, History of Evidence or Logic.
*WHO* would be Acquiring *Personal Gain* from all this ConTroll? Makes One believe Investigation is needed.
The more you comply the more they take the screws to you. You can not comply your way out of tyranny.
Exactly. The whole world is currently being held hostage under tyranny and severe over regulation. And you can’t comply your way out of it. But you can in fact not comply and just enjoy living life as you see fit to your enjoyment
Well said.
Correct, you have to shoot your way out of tyranny.
Absolutely 👍
@@paulr3556 well not exactly. War is hell, and no one sane would want that, but as long as everyone outs on the same page, you can in fact non comply your way out of tyranny and change the political culture. But yes, shooting comes next if that is ignored by our politicians
Dropped my AMA membership (USA) this year because of these crazy regulations.
Hi Bruce, Welcome to the Hobbyist club. I have no registered, but I still fly with rules. Thanks for the video, and I hope for the best. Say hi to Ron, and I hope he gets better.
"Flying outside of the documented and approved procedures jeopardises the organisation and its members continued ability to exercise these privileges." seems they are doing that all on their
own.
TBH.. this shit boils my blood...
you do very well maintaining composure
sorry to hear this Bruce, i gave up flying multi rotor here in the UK some time ago due to the over bloated rules and regs, but there are Model flying clubs in the UK that dont allow multi rotor flying at all (FPV or LOS) but do allow FPV fixed wing, go figure. i think the whole world is loosing its grip on reality!
Where are you? Our club allows FPV and multi rotor. Surrey/Sussex border.
"Actions speak louder than words" I applaud you sir!
I really hate to see you give up your wings, its sad to see our hobby being destroyed. Been flying model airplanes for 40 years and multirotors for roughly 7 . They are really trying to pound that wedge deeper.
I agree. I have flown fixed wing for years and started building multi when all that started, and Bruce has been a part of it all. Bruce is the guy I would want to learn to fly with, and or folks like him. Be safe and never give up!
Hi Bruce, i was digging around some of my old work gear and found a couple orange traffic cones! I can send then over!! Cheers My friend! When is all this craziness going to stop? Your points are so very well presented. Thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Good for you Bruce 👍
I like the "Mr Safety" slant.
Your obviously on the logical and moral high ground. I just hope people outside of your audience can see this also.
Legendary!
It has gotten CRAZY over here in the states as well. I explore abandoned mines in very remote areas of the desert southwest. Places that won't see a single human being for months at a time. Yet if I want to post a drone video on RUclips of my adventures, I must obtain a commercial drone pilot license. EVEN WORSE, we must obtain a commercial video permit to shoot RUclips video in National Parks or National Recreation Areas. Yep, even a single person using their cell phone. This rule is not even about safety! It's about money and control. We officially live in George Orwell's 1984. "You must COMPLY". Intelligence has its limits, but stupidity knows no bounds!
If you watch the geopolitical situation and macroeconomics, you would notice it’s not only the RC world that’s at some kind of dystopian crisis point. Thanks for being stoic Bruce.
Good point!
The concern I have is a small club may not be able to come up with the money to pay for the insurance that maac provides. Without it, we could lose our flying site. I do however like what you're doing, and I agree with what your saying! 👍
I never signed up for a local club or any membership, always felt those were there to add annoying rules, and control what we did. Never gave them a dime and I'm happy I did.
I'm also pretty sure you can go and catch those guys not respecting their own rules.
Because they are complying by taking the easy way out.
taking one for the team. i also wont be getting my membership again either. they want way too much money for the little amount of control they even have left in Canada. its sad to see, but its never gonna stop me from flying some toys around.
Keep fightin' the good fight! Thanks for all you do.
The biggest risk with your mobula is the local tomcat grabbing and running away lol. I agree whole heartedly with your efforts to reduce regulations. Kids need to get into the hobby and fly. Its great fun and its a way to get your mind off outside worries.
This is ridiculous, I have resigned myself to flying non compliant when I use fpv as I cant expect to find a spotter every time. I only do this in remote areas and follow all other safety procedures, the risk of injury is negligible (as is the risk of getting caught). But it puts me in the position of breaking rules when that is not my intent.
Cheers Bruce. With you all the way. I'm on a 10 acre lifestyle. ( South Island )I use Mobula 7. Dji Avata. Dji FPV. NOBODY I mean NOBODY will every stop me. CAA can just piss off. I stay low. Just fly thru the paddocks and around the trees from my deck. I'm also a club member and obey at our local flying field etc. CAA is out to destroy the hobby. Yet they will allow commercial drones to operate ?. Go figure ( it's just overboard over regulating ). Anyway well said Bruce. You Rock
I got 5 acers in rural tokoroa I use My gep rc mark 5 with digital dji goggles every day never ever had drama I fly in a shielded operating system and there is no need for a spotter the regulations need changing for such situations I can hear a helicopter or plane miles before.
Sorry Bruce for what there forcing you to do, I feel the same here in the US with all there crazy regulations there Implementing, I'm just going out & hide & fly my drone so nobody sees me, it's really so very sad what there doing to our hobby everywhere, I feel your pain my friend.🕹🚁👍
Bruce, you are a legend and doing gods work. No one in our hobby with as much exposure as you have on YT lives by your own principles and speaks of out against over regulation. I hope the youngsters who watch your channel get the message. And I wish other prominent pilots would be as honest but I guess they seemingly comply to keep their livelihood intact moving forward whether it's YT or a related business.
I wasn't even willing to take the free online uav license exam in the US of A, which would provide me with a pilot's card that should be carried at all times. I see it more as a paper trail and evidence to be used against me if they later decide to make me a sacrificial lamb. I live in a rural area and have not and never will be a danger to public safety and all the new regs are just a money and power grab. They can regulate hypothetical dangers all they want but I regulate myself with a 100% safety record. Our economy is doing a better job of killing our hobby than fear mongering regs anyway.
God bless!
Ordinary people when convinced of absurdities can be persuaded to commit atrocities.
Freedom isn't a privilege it's a right.
As a non-member, your disobedience still puts their privileges at risk. Thats the beauty of this system….
This is a perfect example of how out of touch these bureaucrats are with what's actually going on with the majority of our models. Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there to make these more than valid points about just how ridiculous these blanket of rules that have been applied to all UAVs. Huge overburden here and this will lead to way more non compliance.
Our problem is that we see our bureaucrats as out of touch. As soon as we start seeing them as obstructionists instead, we will better understand their purpose.
You say do not blame these Model organizations / CBO's , but IT IS their fault because they refuse to stand up against the regulators and to demand sensible rules and regs that actually benefit the hobby and have a voice in that rule making OR they can not and will not comply. The AMA in the US is a prime example of what those organizations do. they want membership dollars and Government backing at the expense of the Hobby they are suppose to represent, That was NOT always the case but in the last 15-20 years that has been the absolute demand as their "aeroclub" model has been in decline.
SO with the AMA's backing to help end 336 the agreement was to get forced membership and forced flying field only flying and they got it and they WILL be the FRIA's here in the US as they slow walk and deny most everything else , as the FTCA and the FPVFC are now seeing.
Freedom of flight is a RIGHT it is not a privilege . I get angry when I hear those words spoken because people seem to think" they give us a privilege to enjoy our Hobby when it is indeed a absolute right .
RIGHTS are societal norms in the form of freedoms that are available to people by virtue of being citizens of a country or as members of a society. Rights are considered as fundamental and inalienable. All citizens of a country are granted certain rights under their laws and the constitution in the US .
In fact, it would be wrong to say that rights are granted as they are there to be taken or claimed by people and said to be fundamental in nature.
ON THE OTHER HAND
a PRIVILEGE is a special benefit or permission granted to an individual or a group based upon status, class, rank, title, or special talent. Thus, privilege is a special right not available to all members of the society but is rather restricted to a chosen few in the society. While some members of the society enjoy this right, others are excluded or denied these rights.
SO that is why the CBO concept ( in any venue ) is a system set up for gain even tho it is classified a Non Profit, PROFITS are what they are about .
The CBO demand in the RC Aviation hobby is a step backwards NOT a step forward . Technology has basically made the CBO/aeromodel clubs obsolete outside of ones choice and or special events etc and WHY those like the AMA scrambled in DC to get their status to FORCED membership,and FORCED flying field flying only.
The FTCA wants that to be a choice BUT also have said one can not request a FRIA unless a PAID Member, that speaks for itself, But they learned the FAA is not going to make everything a CBO wants to be a FRIA and those already established places will get precedent and even many of them excluded in the process and that has already occurred and those places can Thank the AMA for that happening .
So Bruce your own Nz Model Organization is no different. And btw here in the US the Federal Government CAN NOT Force a CBO membership and they know it ( and said so ) and NEITHER can the FAA force ANYONE to follow a set of "suggested guides" by one in order to fly toys.
Even the US code says EVERY CITIZEN has a RIGHT to transit in the US navigable airspace which btw NONE of us FLY RC in, for we do not fly in defined "navigable airspace" where btw the FAA has regulatory authority, we FLY outside "defined navigable airspace" where the FAA has NO regulatory authority ( yet ) [ and NO Congress has NT allocated the FAA's authority "outside that define navigable airspace"
SO there are many avenues to skirt the current illegal rules (because we have NO choice) they have made and many avenues through the court system from registration ( already ruled illegal and unconstitutional ) to even the RID rule based on that same Constitution BUT also on actual already adjudicated cases that shows it is in violation of the 1st-4th Amendments and BOTH state and Federal privacy laws and the gathering of information that even two past US Presidents were found in violation of
SO when two Presidents were ruled illegal and Unconstitutional how then is the FAA allowed to do the same ? Where are the lawyers whose hobby is also being destroyed ? They appear to set and go along for $$ instead of willingness to stand up and tell the FAA/Fed to go pound sand to save the Hobby
WE just CAN NOT get the RC Aviation community together to address what needs addressed and what should have been done years ago, but now are demanding it be done in one small area now.( raise the limit , we tried so hard t get them to address years ago )
When will people simply stand up and say NO, and regardless of who you are, be it an educator , manned aviator ,whatever,[ they claim some have to comply is an excuse NOT a fact ] as it stands and is written YOU Already Violate every rule the FAA has created for the recreational Hobby EVERY TIME you leave the ground and as it stands regardless where you fly and under what CBO or what aircraft etc YOU VIOLATE the FAA rules governing 44809..PERIOD !!!
The RC Aviation Hobby has it's safety rules and has Governed itself for nearly 100 years with an almost spotless safety record, a FACT no other aviation related community can claim and yet now is being attacked and spoke down to like it has the worst safety record. And that goes back to those Commercial Dollars which are in the Billion$ and that is all the Politicians and regulators $ee.....and that is WHY all of this is happening and NOT for Homeland security or terrorism threat or any safety issue etc ( whih btw the DHS said they had NO Authority over domestic drone use in the US )...it was and still is all about those mighty Dollar$ being flashed in their eyes and they LIE to cover that up !!!
For a number of years, a good dozen of us or more had used some local soccer fields to fly on. This gave us a nice open space, largely groomed grass to take off and land on and life was good. We flew during weekdays when the fields were not in use. Then, two years ago, a local large soccer operation struck a deal with the county for sole use of the fields. When questioned as to who we could address on our behalf, each side pointed at the other. We effectively had the door slammed on us even though we left no footprint behind when we were done flying. Living close to the big city put us close to a number of airfields and airports so, available flying areas are sparse. One option is to join the AMA, take a competency test, join a flying club, pay their membership, be supervised, and following their rules. I did all of that but the flying area we had was at a lesser used airfield, with tall grasses, trees around the perimeter, and no flying on or over the airstrip unless supervised by a club principal with radio tuned for local aircraft. Added to that was any electrics over 1 lb. had to fly at the strip, lighter electrics could fly further on down, over the tall grass. Just didn't cut it for me. It didn't suit my style of flying and limited the effective room to fly as being only what was straight out in front of me. Great for acrobatic/3D flying I suppose but I don't fly those types of planes. Add to that the increased pressure put on everyone by the FAA and the hobby has ceased being much of a hobby. Leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I'm still deciding what I'll do. I can still fly locally at a school's sports fields but in September I'm looking at having to rig a transmitter to many of my planes just to be compliant. If the school yanks privileges that will be it for me, I will probably have to sell my hobby away and look for something else to do while being retired.
the paperwork weighs more than the drone
I would have done the same Bruce, its BS and we know it, Like anything uploaded to social media there is going to be someone who will get satisfaction by complaining. If the club had not had the complaint they would not have known or needed to action it. I think we all know that 20g on your own property or anywhere else wouldn't hurt anything, different to a 15kg drone. Just remember I like many others are behind you on this 🙂👍
Good video Bruce. 😊 I’m taking a leaf out of your book and I’ll resist the temptation to register with any organisation. Fly safe and resist the over-regulation.
I back you fully and agree with your comments. This is exactly why I never have and never will join some club or organization with their biased rules. (they can stick it "***************************".
Those curtains Bruce. Love it. Stick it to them. I will not be conforming
Yeah, I'm sure those curtains must violate some kind of safety laws :-)
you will be when you put on your conformal coat
@@xjet If they're visible from the street, they could be distracting to drivers. 🤣
@@AKATEATime LOL
Damn sad times in New Zealand and here in Canada. It is a beautiful thing what you are doing by standing up and being heard. I hope many of our hobbyists join in with deregulation! Cheers
The difference between your situation and here in canada is that we lost our exemption because some maac zone directors approved flying sites in controlled airspace in direct contravention of the agreement maac had with transport canada. Yes I agree we should never have needed an exemption in the first place but we did so for me personally it was either comply or quit the hobby. In your case I don't see
where MFNZ has any jurisdiction when you are not flying at a MFNZ approved site.
New Zealand is an MFNZ Approved site, its a FRIA ;)
@@jackosmeister
So are you saying the entire country of NZ is controlled by MFNZ and anyone who wants to fly in the country needs to join MFNZ .?
@@geordienufc3132 No, not at all, if they want to use MFNZs 102 they need to be members however.
Mass non-compliance is the answer.
Weird how in order to win the game is NOT to play their game.
WE have NO Choice because we break their petty rules every time we leave the ground regardless of what we fly or where we fly and can not get people to take note of that fact
NONCOMPLIANCE IS the Only way they left us No Choice
It’s a sad day but our hobby is been over regulated to death & as you said it’s intentional to make way for large private companies to move in! I applaud your stance & as I’ve already said previously I’m not renewing my operator ID in the UK the only way we can make a stand is by now giving them their tax money!
No one has ever been choked as a result of recreational drone flying - so far.
The level of idiocy from these organizations is incredible
Good intentions, but MFNZ appears to be pandering to this overreach by regulatory agencies in an area which has been safely unregulated for many years. To use the word ‘privileges’ implies that these are only bestowed at other’s pleasure, and can easily be revoked. I’m sure there are many club types with too much time on their hands only too willing to take up the mantle of enforcers and enable this overreach, some with the best of intentions.
For a parallel but relevant example one only has to look at the excesses perpetrated by homeowners associations everywhere they take root. These often become vehicles for personal crusades and depart from their original purpose, which is to protect homeowners.
The BVLOS compliance looks particularly Orwellian.
Thanks for all your hard work! it’s absolutely crazy the rules and regulations over model flying I started out with model aircraft like everyone else way back when nitro was the go to for flying all a guy needed then was a AMA card and all that was was insurance other then that folks were allowed do do damn near what ever they wanted common sense was obviously a given as well
Great video!!
That's what I have done too in that situation.
When someone comes over my fence even when I am not flying my whoop they have the risk to get hurt
“ In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem .” R Reagen
keep up the good fight Bruce.
I am standing shoulder to shoulder with you Bruce.👍👍
Thank you Bruce. I appreciate your resolve. Ironically, I'm an advanced drone pilot herein Canada that just joined MAAC a few weeks ago to learn about traditional RC,and now the whole RC landscape in Canada has shattered. I can fly, but guys with 50 years of safe flying experience cannot. These are strange times indeed.
I’m a MAAC member since 1983 and yes times have changed, but I wouldn’t
personally say that the RC landscape has shattered, they have just changed.
This is ridiculous , know wonder why their is so much non compliance .
These rules and regulatory bodies are comical.
They grant you special privileges 🤣🤣🤣.
You have done the right thing Bruce. 👍
Tell em they're dream'n.
I thought you were going to say they were not happy with you taking off in your ute at the start..tiss a same you have had that email...ill still watch wot ever you upload as i like your stuff.
i was lookijng forward coming to the air feild at some stage as well...as was gona make a special trip in my ebike camper im building....guess i can still call in and visit ...i hope
Sounds like you need a sign like the ancient Romans "Cave canem" or "Beware of the Dog!" - mainly so people didn't step upon small, delicate and cute dogs .
It's so sad it's crazy the hobby is done for, but I'll never stop
Problem is with part of the rules* that require a spotter or security guarding the low fence is you wouldn't be able to fly as you're not aloud to fly 30m* within other people
All that for a tiny whoop around your property 😂😂😂 yea those guys can kick rocks
👍 Stick to your own morals & values. I’ll be 70 in a few weeks, I never thought I would see our countries go down this road. Everything that the governments have any interaction with is going down the tubes. It’s hard to comprehend how such a small number of extremists in government & big corporations can really change the world and our daily lives, like they are doing now.
They dont change the world, its all the people that follow and listen to them and enforce their unjust edicts. Just like the nazis, 'they were just following orders'. Order takers and enforcers dont use their brains.
Thanks bruce for spreading common sense. I'm Canadian (Vancouver). I own 4 DJI drones and a dozen or more winged models. Haven't flown a single one of them in about 5 years. I live between YVR and CZBB airports. Can't find a club who will take new members. Can't fly anywhere near my home legally. I just had to hang my radios up and enjoy my old memories of the hobby. My wife says, just get rid of those "things". Breaks my heart!
Thanks. Most of the feedback I've been getting from Canad and elsewhere has been positive but I had to laugh when reading on the RCCanada forums that there are still those with their heads in the sand or, for some reason, think that taking a stand (at least in my case) is a bad thing. Of my video they said:
4*60: _"I am always amazed at his ability to tell a 2 minute story in 20 times that time. "_
MikeFerguson: _"Loves to listen to himself. "_
I note that 4*60 has a glider as his avatar -- what's he going to do now with the 400ft AGL limit in place?
Such a shame that, even as the noose tightens around their necks, some of the old guard will swear _"everything's fine, don't worry, we'll be okay"_ and refuse to do anything to help whilst criticising the few who do get off their fat backsides to try and prompt reform of this outrageous over-regulation.
So far I have not payed my MAAC Membership that was due at the end of December 2022.
I totally agree with you Bruce! Haven't been a member of the AMA for YEARS for the very reasons you cited. God bless!
That's why I limit all my radio control flight indoors rather than outdoors. Infact I have limited all my radio control operation to cars and trucks on the ground
That is totally redicous.I would never do all that just to fly a model.Up there's.
My first fpv was a rc Esky Lama BOL helicopter with stripped b/w baby monitor and box headset HUD. LOL! Times change,
lol, in canada i cant shoot targets with a pellet gun in my back yard because a power/gas meter reader person may walk in at any time. But I can throw knives.
I agree with you 100%!
Thanks for having the balls and be the one to stop accepting the "don't ask don't tell" kind of situation that a lot of FPVers and clubs around the world seem to be in, Bruce!
Thanks for being a leader and representative for the broader community!
Compliance...pff...I have no doubt that before June 1, 2019, when Canada instituted RPAS (Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems) regulation, and even afterwards because most non-aviation minded people buying them, nor those selling them had any clue they were being regulated, that there was likely tens of thousands of actual drones, mainly consumer grade DJI Phantoms, etc., that were sold. As of now, only approx. 5000 Advanced RPAS licenses have been issued, (those actually using these things professionally), and only about 13,000 Basic RPAS licenses for recreational flyers have been issued. I'll guarantee all the other "drone" flyers haven't grounded their aircraft, probably aren't even aware. Yet these new regs are likely going to destroy our hobby of flying R/C model aircraft. Smh.
My MAAC Zone Director who looks after MAAC's Western Canada clubs has told me he's lost over twenty clubs already due to the Transport Canada exemption being dropped. MAAC, for those not in the know, is much like Model Flying New Zealand. Our club in the small community of Creston, BC, Canada is lucky to see 6 to 10 members in a year, (not joining per year, but total). How many here will we have drop out because they have to get a stupid Drone flying license now for their foamy airplanes?! Sadly, we need at least 6 members to have the club financially viable to stay open. We'll see how this goes. We're going to have a meeting later this month, so it should be interesting!
I would rather get smacked with your little drone than get whacked by a hard ball in a baseball game ! All the stuff we did as kids that were so many levels potentially more hazardous than that little drone . Riding a bicycle on the street - oh my gosh ! My friends and I were lucky we grew up in a time when we could do whatever we wanted to do in the park - shoot model rockets, fly planes, run around like wild kids and have fun .
Thank you Bruce that, you still take effort to fight against stupidness. Should stand up and not just accept all stupid new regulations without thinking those rules/laws make sense or not..
I can imagine in the close future I have to fill an online form before I drive my car to the corner shop?! 🙃
That a boy Bruce Give them the Boot and fire up that Drone and get flying and have fun.. Just try not to murder no one with your Receiver in your hand. lol Thanks for the Vid friend.
Put up a Beware of Tiny Whoop sign. 😂
🇨🇦 here, I fly with common sense… I will never comply with TC. I will be fly soon as spring comes in a few weeks in the middle of Canada… TC come find me.
Bureaucracy does not care it the rules are working or not and how they affect real world situation. In many cases it's a self-sustaining process of spewing out more papers with more prohibitions. It doesn't care if people follow rules or not or if they break rules in secret or publicly. It does not rely on numerical evidence as well.
But the rule making process time to time "interacts" with what pops up in mass-media (yet it is hard to tell what came first: the rulemakers trying to justify new regulations with supporting articles or some Karens posting BS about model aviation provokes rulemakers). Long story short - making noise on the web is likely the best way to fight overregulation. It just needs better spread.
Keep it up, Bruce!
So pilots are required to fly 1000 feet over my house. Helicopters can go down to 500 feet. So how is someone flying below roof level and clear of people a problem? Laws written by people who have no knowledge of the subject matter give us messes like this.
Heli's can go below 500 ft and do often and one exception in the " Define navigable airspace" which btw the FAA regulates NOT outside that "defined space "
Are you looking for common sense in regulations? What colour is the sky on your planet?
@@TonyRule Lol
I applaud you, sir!
Without principles what are we?
One can not just stand by and try to comply with all these regulations. To do so is to surrender to fascism.
Perfect example, when you filmed the town meeting!
You just can’t give in even once!
Beating will continue until morale improves
I don't even know what to say.. unbelievable the guy who taught me what a PID loop is could have to give up his "wings" over such a harmless video. Very sorry to hear that, but thank you for your principles Bruce.
Bruce "Renegade" Simpson, breaking rules again! :D
What happens if 2000 MFNZ members pay club membership and not the MFNZ fees?????
We can probably expect AMA to do the same in the US. Sad day when you no longer fly the field w your buddies. I do appreciate your gesture for the hobby, and the rec modell builder that is being pressured out of participation in Stem activities because on non agffiliation w a club that has cince become a long arm of the law, that can coerce paid membership legally by threatening non compliance.
Good old slow sticky would work. I quit the ama a few years back. Till the stand up for there members I don't want to give them my money.
Sorry that Ron is unwell. I hope he's better soon.
I admire your principles Bruce. Yes regulation has become crazy which is why I have completely stopped flying and I have taken up CNC and 3D printing instead.
Don't worry Bruce, world's gone mad. Just ignore it.
Yes absolutely, this is the responsible thing to do. Ignore all government...... just obey the fundamentals...... cause no harm nor loss to others.
Like charlton Heston said take this Tx from my cold dead hand keep up the good work
Keep it up good luck, f@ck the over regulation thanks for all you do
I'd like you to see you do it all for the absurdity. Could be a Hollywood style production.
Absolute madness. I just can't.. 🤬🥴🥴🥴
This reminds me of a law that was made when the automobile came to prominence and drivers were required to stop at every intersection and set off a firework to warn any nearby horses. True internet fact. At some point somebody had to call it stupid.
Don't know about fireworks, but there was the 'walk in front with a red flag' rule. The really big difference though was that in those days, motoring was only for the rich and powerful. Therefore, it was quite easy for those people to lobby to have that changed, because they had a lot of influence with the powers that be - they probably were the powers that be to a large extent. We aren't like that, we have no clout at all.
April 1 here in Canada is April fool's Day Just saying Bruce.
We're still going through the motions here in Hokitika with the airfield management. There is no ruling from CAA on what constitutes an 'Active runway'. There is an 'Agreement' between CAA and Airways that says any unused runway can become active, and therefor is always active. Of course, this has no more legal weight than an 'Agreement' that can be made between us model flyers and the airport management. Sigh.....
I'd rather spend my time flying than banging my head against the miss informed/ignorant management.
Keep the chin up Bruce, I'm right behind your efforts 👍
MFNZ missed the opportunity to define "active runway" in a meaningful way in their CAR102 dissitation. That's a big shame.
@@xjet True enough. But watch this space, I bet they come up with something to further close the doors on the hobby 😥
@@xjet We cant make definitions in our 102 that effect other CARs, I could try... but I doubt it. Its hard enough to get most uncontrolled aerodromes to understand the CARs at the moment....
@@Bristoll170 Thanks for your support, I have been banging on to CAA about defining "active" for many years.
@@Bristoll170 Yep. The traditional hobby is now flying much safer, more reliable models than was the case 20 years ago -- but we're regulated far more than we ever more and nobody (not even MFNZ) is prepared to demand recognition that *our* drones are not the ones causing the issues therefore should not be treated as such. Someone has to keep highlighting the inequity and disproportionality of the current regulations until those responsible start listening. MFNZ can't do that because that would jeopardise the privileges of those who can't reasonably fly under the provisions of part 101 (weight, altitude requirements etc).
When MoT try to bring in registration later this year will be the time for *all* those NZ modelers who really care for the hobby and the opportunities for our kids and grandkids to enjoy it, to take a stand.
Will they?
I doubt it. My money is on MFNZ seeking further "privilege" by way of having their members exempt from the registration requirements -- as has been the case in other countries. Those with true principles do not have a price for which they can be bought.
Bruce, Lover ALL your videos,... if anyone has ever thought who watches your videos... Well, now you know. Talk about "arm chair quarterbacks"! I really feel that every model air crafter flyer needs to start our own legislation and make sure that every pilot (of real planes) should know exactly how to install a Flight Controller on a quad. How to make a flight controller work.. Then know every aspect of model aircraft.. LIPO batteries, the safety involved, every tear and how any UART works. How to operate betaflight, and then setup any controller to operate ANY type of model air craft. The bureaucrats want to regulate... let's give them something to regulate. If we (model air craft flyers) have to know all about weather and CRAP that a real aircraft pilot must know, then I feel it's only just that every 'real' pilot know anything and everything out our "hobby"!!!! Let's get serious, that will never happen because all the bureaucrats want is to push us out of existence so they wont have to listen to the tree huggers complain that they don't want to have pictures of them in their back yard.. Seriously!!! Sorry to hear what going on with you Bruce, but stay strong. We will stand together, and who knows... maybe when enough flyers or people see the crap going on, they'll all get together and vote those dumb......... out of office!!
Ahem... I have "a few simple measures" I require of those who'd tell me what to do on my own property. How about I take a look at theirs AFTER they satisfy mine?
Pffft!
Around the world, with how many small quadrotors, Coaxial, bicopters and even wing style models are sold in toy and entertainment product stores in shopping malls, the clubs are going to be in the minority of the flying community, and the only ones complying with the further draconian regulations.
There is no way to stop the flood of non-club member folk flying small recreational camera drones - activities such as putting a small drone up and getting a nice photo or video of your holiday campsite, that nice beach you visited, of getting one of the kids to film while you drive your 4WD up a trail to the camp site. These are not dangerous activities, and all these rules and regulations could be tossed out by getting a commitment from the drone manufacturers to update the control software to limit the distance from the controller, and limit the maximum height capable.